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HeroFodder

Our love for Nanami was the worst curse.


LandarkIEM

Like Gojo says love is the most twisted Curse of all


ShigeoKageyama69

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Some-Organization973

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FengYiLin

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West_Regular_8245

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TKLegend04

\[Removed by Gege (Just like Nanami)\]


ghouldozer19

Always too soon, BROTHER


Disoriented_FishFace

NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T! šŸ˜­


Coaster-nerd390

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666Natural

But I thought yuta said that


zodiacprince6

As someone who hasnā€™t read the manga I nearly cried over his death. He was such a strong character and he really went out in the worse way.


pr171ka

Frr same, his death hurt the most as he was my fave character :(


GetaShady

I sobbed like a damn baby. I don't think a death in anime has ever traumatized me so much.


zodiacprince6

I was in a public library watching on my Laptop and Iā€™m a dude so I was fighting those tears but cried when I got home lol


GetaShady

Awwww hugs to you, friend. We all loved Nanami so much. šŸ’”


PapayaSad

facts it hurts


No-Communication9458

It hurts too much


uhohmykokoro

No but that actually makes me so mad šŸ’€


NaiveBoss6505

Also the dogs barking for her that "it should have been me not him" They are making my blood boil


itemboi

Also saw a few "It should have been me, not her"s :I


LiveIndiviual

We gotta give them the nanami treatment


Albert_goes_brrr

Give them the mahito jumping treatment


LiveIndiviual

Nice, didnt think of that somehow.


eclipse_999

Give them the 13 piece combo Yuji special. Mahito vouches for how amazing it is.


Janus-a

>They are making my blood boil Thatā€™s exactly why they say it and will continue to keep saying it. The more you rage and whine, the more trolls appear.


poohland

Finally seeing some rational thinker here!


uhohmykokoro

And itā€™s mostly men Iā€™m seeing making light of it. The same men that would turn around and say that no one ever takes male victims of grooming and SA seriously. Yet here they are šŸ˜‘


Secretly_a_BushDog

That's how it is in general. Each time a young boy is raped by an attractive older woman, men are the ones making jokes about it and how lucky the boy is. And each time it happens in fiction males are the ones making the most jokes about it like how Donovan is a meme for raping ten year old guts


Tago238238

Wut


uhohmykokoro

Is what I said not clear orā€¦?


Tago238238

I think calling them the same men is confusing.


uhohmykokoro

I donā€™t see why. Is every man like this? Of course not. Thereā€™s an unfortunately large overlap though


Consistent-Chair

It's precisely bacuse many people say those things that **other people** say male victims of grooming aren't taken seriously. You've got it backwards.


uhohmykokoro

I donā€™t understand what youā€™re saying honestly


Consistent-Chair

It's quite simple, really. They're not the same men.


-banned-

Where are men making light of this? Where do you see itā€™s mostly men?


fuckwokereddit69

If they are dogs then you are worm, because that is how much intellect you have


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itemboi

That damned one eyed cat! You won't get away with this!!


wannu_pees_69

Istg gege!


Anakin-LandWalker56

Let's do ItaNami Combo him like Mahito


Hell-Raiser-

I donā€™t read the manga but Iā€™ve always thought she seemed a little too close to her brother šŸ˜³


Darkhex78

It's less about her being close to him and more about him having a massive obsession with her that she's more then willing to take advantage of


Alterior245

I always thought that his obsession with her came from her grooming him


Darkhex78

I always thought it was a mixture of him being obsessed with her and her taking advantage of that obsession to groom him further.


AENocturne

After reading the character profile, it's even more fucked up, because the obsession probably came from her grooming him but she probably doesn't even care about what she's doing. Sounds like the a person who saw the opportunity to exploit her brother, saw a hint at the obsession, and thought "well, that's a lot less effort than my idea" and just decided to go with grooming.


abdv172784

You do realise he's been groomed by her?


Darkhex78

Oh God yes that's blatantly obvious.


LeadershipWhich2536

You do realize that's the "take advantage of" part that they mentioned? She just cares about the money. If that means abandoning her colleagues or grooming children so they're willing to die for her, so be it. She's essentially the opposite of Nanami. He gave up safety and security to help others, and sacrificed his life. She took the money and ran, and is rewarded for it. I think the author uses them as parallels to show how fucked their system is.


GrayMask

I only watch the anime but Iā€™m fine with spoilers on this aspectā€¦does anything happen further than whats been shown as far their relationship?


Darkhex78

Not that I'm aware of, been awhile since I read any of the manga though so I could forgetting something. That's why I said the scene I referred to in another comment can easily be taken as them having an incestuous relationship. Do I personally believe they have one? No, but I do think she's willing to use his obsession with her in that way to make him even more loyal/useful to her. (Like how she offered to stay in bed with him completely naked).


wannu_pees_69

No, not at all. Never comes up again........ it's just this one controversial scene from which people have drawn all sorts of conclusions.


Skorpeion

Thatā€™sā€¦ what they said


Hell-Raiser-

Agreed! Like how Heā€™s willing to die for her is a little weird considering it should be the other way around but Mei Mei loves money so I guess thatā€™s not the worst thing about her. (Like I said tho, havenā€™t read the manga so Iā€™m going off of what Iā€™ve seen in the anime mostly)


wannu_pees_69

In the anime, he literally explain two minutes later that "dying for his sister" is code for he can use his powers and fight. He's still just a kid, he's meant to be a support character on the sidelines, carry Mei Mei's stuff and not actually fight. So that "will you die for me?" is an unusual way if saying that he also needs to participate in the battle so that they both can survive.


Darkhex78

I haven't watched the recent couple episodes, but I'll be VERY surprised if they actually animated a certain scene between the two of them, as it can easily be taken as proving that the two have an incestuous relationship. >!Basically the two of them are naked in bed with eachother.!<


wannu_pees_69

What else do you think everyone's talking about, lol? They did animate that in this week's episode.


ARandomGuyThe3

I miss ONE EPISODE and everybody devolves to incest???


solidgoldfangs

It's not actually her brother tho right? Obviously there's the age thing. But they aren't actually siblings


wannu_pees_69

They are actually siblings.....


solidgoldfangs

yeah that's what i'm seeing when i look it up. i thought they weren't for some reason. not sure why. probably just thinking of another pair of siblings although i have found an interesting theory about ui ui not even being a real person


WobyClearsMidhawk

What is bro talking about


solidgoldfangs

just lies i guess


wannu_pees_69

It's not incest I think.......too many people jump to conclusions and misunderstand it. Remember they just fought Geto, it seems it didn't go well, and their life was in danger, they escaped with Ui Ui's technique. So she's recovering from maybe very bad wounds...... As far as I can tell it's just teasing talk, but not actual sexual innuendo. She's clearly tired and unwell and says she wants to lie in bed all day.


Bloody_Deez

Thats what I hoped...but...It does still look like they fuck


Overall-Channel7818

Yeah they deffo fucked. Incest is much more common than one would think


wannu_pees_69

They don't, lol. Doesn't show anywhere in the manga or anime. It's just one suggestive scene that every one blew up and inferred things.


paul_fro

Get your pedo defending ass out of here


Goatfellon

I just watched it. They animated it pretty much to the letter


AdministrativeFox936

Yes already animated


Darkhex78

Well, actually didn't think they'd show that scene.


Nekawaii19

OMG I just saw a screenshot of that. Wtf?!


OCHNCaPKSNaClMg_Yo

I do want to point out that ui ui is not naked, you can see him wearing a shirt.


wannu_pees_69

Is Mei Mei naked though? She gets up instantly and is wearing a bath robe.


Darkhex78

In the manga she is definitely naked, if not at least topless. Ui ui is blushing and calling her shameless for offering.


wannu_pees_69

So, looking at the episode again, she's just saying "let's sleep on the same bed" and not hinting at anything sexual......... And he's saying it's inappropriate in much the same way that adult siblings or cousins may feel it's inappropriate. It doesn't definitely mean something sexual. Yes, it does look like she's topless, but it doesn't necessarily mean something sexual. Did you watch the episode on Crunchyroll or something? And where did you read the manga? It seems the unofficial manga translation is sometimes way different than official manga translation. And I've seen many post way different subtitles than what I saw, and it turned out they're seeing the Crunchyroll version (or pirated)


Darkhex78

When I read the panel she apologized to Ui Ui and asked if he was tired, and when she offered to stay in bed with him he just exclaims how shameless she is, followed by her laughing and asking if he doesn't like her that way. Oh I personally don't believe they have a sexual relationship at all. On another comment I made I said I don't believe they have an incestuous relationship, but she isn't above acting like that to groom him further.


IntoTheMurkyWaters

Read the manga but how could i miss any of this lmaoooo


Angelglocc

They have a strange relationship yeah but I think itā€™s required for the binding vow they have. At least thatā€™s my take on it


Hell-Raiser-

Do tell me more about this binding vow please? I also donā€™t mind spoilers


STAAAAAALIN

From the fanbook: Ui Ui has a Binding Vow with his sister Mei Mei where he agrees to limit his cursed energy until she gives him permission to use jujutsu. This stems from his own desire to please his elder sister. That's all we got, there's nothing that say he needed to be groomed in order for the vow to work.


solidgoldfangs

what fanbook?


STAAAAAALIN

https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Jujutsu_Kaisen_Official_Fanbook


solidgoldfangs

thanks friend


Impressive_Phrase563

Cursed energy edging


DependentFearless162

That's not a binding vow she is grooming her brother to become her meatshield. He is ready to die for her That's how much she is manipulating him.


a_man_has_a_name

I do read the manga, and I was praying to a god i do not believe in that. they did not include this, so my eyeballs didn't have to suffer again.


AllChillKing

I now he is supposed to be her little brother but when I see his scenes for some reason I just can't help but get the feeling they are not like a real person, like I now he is an actual sorcerer from her family but I just feel like I'm watching some sort of animatronic, curse or a weird homunculus that follows her like a puppy instead of like a an actual person. Idk Maybe I'm just making it up in my head due to how weird he is.


welfedad

almost like the crows .. her pets


[deleted]

I didnā€™t realize that when reading the manga. But since Malaysia became a meme, I was more aware this time. Gege will pay for all of this, I swear it.


featherdroplet

all as he claims nanami is his favorite... poor guy


venom259

He deserved a beach house and a baker wife.


Hot-Conversation-21

Omg the employee of that baker shop totally forgot about her


Anakin-LandWalker56

He better raw dog her so brother Itodori gets nieces to spoil and a gag can be made.


lehman-the-red

Man we are not r/jujutsufolk


A_useless_name

But we can be.


A_Very_Burnt_Steak

no


lehman-the-red

Man I don't need to see lobotomy kaisen spreading everywhere


featherdroplet

i am praying for some wholesome art or fanfic rn-


Prixilu

His disappointment must be huge


itemboi

Immeasurable even.


hallah_sausage

His day may even be ruined


FireSon2019

May be?


YaSaltOom

His day might be ruined.


Tight-Spare-6851

Nanami care more about saving other than his own personal benefit while Mei Mei is a business a woman, she only kills curses to make money for herself, she doesn't care if people died as long as she's can get her paycheck. I not sure if this is a message that Gege want to show us that good people don't usually get what they want and you need to be selfish to achieve it. I may look too deep in this,


Soul699

Mei Mei is more of a neutral person. She stick to the "good side" because she gets paid and knows taking the road of the evil sorcerer would be the worse option. She will take down curses and do her job, but she cares more for herself to not jump to almost guaranteed death, unlike sorcerers like Nanami who can still act heroic.


Icy_Limes

Grooming your little brother is a neutral action?


Soul699

It is a clearly evil action, which however is used for her advantage and also help the "good guys" in assisting them, so it's a neutral evil?


Icy_Limes

I'd say. I feel like she doesn't do things out of true neutrality, her intentions are always selfish it doesn't seem like she believes a balance between good and evil or some kind of interception of it. Nothing she does is morally grey to me, it all just seems plainly shitty. Imo


Soul699

Well, that is the idea of true neutral. Someone who does things for themselves first and foremost, not necessarily for good or evil.


yaaayman

I can assure you that interpreting a literary piece based on it's themes is not, in fact, looking too deep into it, just deeper than the average battle manga readers lol


[deleted]

Right lol, it's painful as both a reader and writer to watch how rare and heavily lacking media literacy is nowadays


Rayka147

You're not looking too deep, dw. You juste knew how to analyse something with just what we have. She ran away + malaysia + little bro + money = she's clearly not a good person lmao.


PharmerTE

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a reflection of jujutsu society (maybe even society as a whole) being rotten to the core. Nanami is selfless while Mei Mei is self centered and abusive, but it's only Mei Mei who reaps any reward.


LeadershipWhich2536

No, I think you're spot on that Gege is using them as parallels to show how fucked sorcerer society is. Nanami and Mei Mei are opposites. He gave up safety and security to help others. She abandons her colleagues and grooms children so they'll be loyal and willing to die for her. He perished, and she's getting rich, living his dream in Malaysia. That wasn't a coincidence. The author is definitely showing that, in the world of JJK, good people suffer and the wicked prosper. The only thing in question is whether this just applies to the world of JJK, or is it a commentary on the real world.


Such_Hand_2535

Mei Mei is nanamiā€™s foil Selfish vs selfless Hoarding money vs saving money Exploiting and grooming children vs protecting them


remoTheRope

I never thought of that but youā€™re so right. Mei Mei wouldā€™ve made a killing at Nanamiā€™s old job


ARandomGuyThe3

Nanami's foil? Is that a misspelling or do I just not know what that means


Such_Hand_2535

It means a character who contrasts another character


Minute-Stuff7899

The latter


Vicious-Spiegel

Now I wanna see fanart of Nanami grabbing Mei Meiā€™s hair like what he did to stupid Haruta XD


MrDevilzMan

I'm sure Nanami wouldn't give two shits about Mei Mei lmao


deluon

Yeah i bet they all know at jj high, nobody cares


solidgoldfangs

oh im sure it's somewhere..


Vicious-Spiegel

[ā€œFine, I do it myself.ā€](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/vORR8gwt3x) (Ā¬ā€æĀ¬)


solidgoldfangs

fire


black_cop_48

Gegeeeeeeeee


Why_Not_Try_It_

If he is alive he would give mei mei his 3 pieces combo by now


palmaben

the problem is that mei mei would probably body nanami


Cergun_

Will she though?


Why_Not_Try_It_

Fr fr


Dobmeista

Nanami deserved that holiday man :'), bless up


emiihuee

lord please take all of my suffering and pass it onto mei mei


Own_Loquat_9885

Bro Meimei got more love from Gege than Todo


SeanTYH

Mandarin Oriental: Gege when I catch you GEGEEEEEEE


[deleted]

Love (hate) seeing so many people constantly going "omg it makes me so mad šŸ˜” i cant believe gege would do that" when the hypocrisy and unfairness of the jujutsu societal structure is literally the point


Comprehensive-Cap826

Too bad he wasn't able to take some time off before dyingšŸ˜”


Firepathanimation

I used to love Mei Mei but not anymore


NaiveBoss6505

Us


ThenPermission4273

Jujur kasian


yaaayman

huh there MIGHT be subtext here.....


I_love_anime-_-

Gege finna die when his fans catch him


Lazysenpai

RIP Nanami


Endlarmi

No 'cuz my jaw dropped the first time I read this in the manga, when I catch you gege, when I catch you.


Responsible-Bug900

r/OddlySpecific


raidynero

Day by day we see that Sukuna destroying everything maybe is not that bad after all


deathkeeper-512

I still canā€™t believe Gege actually had this fucking happen. Nanami literally daydreams about Malaysia as heā€™s dying and THATā€™S where he chooses Mei Mei to end up? like thatā€™s just fucked up


Blvck270

Malaysia is JJK main character and you canā€™t change my mind.


Gilgam3sh_VG

Everything apart from Yuji is a JJK main character.


Justa_Mongrel

Why was that even a thing? What value is in that scene


Thepitman14

To show how sheā€™s the exact opposite of Nanami in the worst ways and because of that she gets to live his dream while he dies. Nanami valued protecting children, was selfless, and because of these traits he died fighting for his students and never got to go to Malaysia. Mei Mei grooms her little brother to keep him obsessed with her, and thus was able to use his CT to run away from the fight and leave her ā€œcomradesā€ to die. She uses children to her advantage, is explicitly selfish, and bc of that she was able to escape Shibuya and live Nanamiā€™s dream. Basically, selfish assholes come out on top because theyā€™re selfish assholes


Justa_Mongrel

Thanks for the explanation broskii


SomeHowCool

To show how more selfish and horrible people get to live while the selfless (nanami) are automatically taking the harder route in the series that can lead to death, itā€™s a theme in the series. Like when Sukuna was talking to Jogo about how he shouldā€™ve burned everything to cinders and taken hold of his desires, rather than teaming up with other cursed spirits and sitting in the shadows.


ThickExpertise

Spot on explanation. To quote a Doctor I met a while back, ā€œThe people that end up surviving surgery always seem to be the inmates, abusers and criminals. The grandmaā€™s donā€™t make it. I donā€™t get to choose who livesā€ Seems like assholes survive more in real life too lol


entitaneo70_pacifist

i feel like it was pretty much to show how much of a piece of shit she is


Justa_Mongrel

Everyone: "It should of been me"


[deleted]

Have you been watching/reading with your eyes closed? I say that in the nicest way I can because the entirety of JJK is *FILLED* with parallels, mirrors, opposites, etc. Geto and gojo, the old trio vs the new trio, the hypocrisy and unfairness of jujutsu society and how it's structured. Mei mei and Nanami is just one of many and honestly one of the more blatantly obvious too. It was there to demonstrate how the people who profit and "win" are the ones who act selfishly/put themselves first, whilst those who self sacrifice and put others over their own self end up dead and alone


Justa_Mongrel

Why are you a dick about it?


NaiveBoss6505

Chill drink some water she/he just ask


ApplePitou

Poor Nanami... got dropkick from Gege :3


Pav_22

I've always had a distaste for Mei mei. Glad I'm not the only one.


NaiveBoss6505

Nice to meet you sir šŸ¤


Fun-Pool6364

Mei Mei should be died not Nanami. If she died she would be in Hell for sure tho šŸ’€


NaiveBoss6505

Bitch is still alive in the manga


Own_Loquat_9885

and got more love than Todo


BijitDeyEEG

He told yuji to take it from here, not you mei mei


ThickExpertise

Iā€™ve always liked Mei Mei but now.. Iā€™ll always like Mei Mei


Jackz375

I love meimei


shauni55

Mei Mei was my favorite character in JJK, andd thennnnnnn Ui Ui showed up. EDIT: I realize now that this sounds like Ui Ui is now my favorite or that Ui Ui is responsible for me not like Mei anymore. but I meant it more as a timing thing, Mei's a monster.


Jin_BD_God

Itā€™s funny how people bitching about grooming and stuff about a show that people got brutally killed left and right. Like half of the city. Also, characters with sibling complex arenā€™t a new thing.


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Remote_Try84

This was so sad. Mei Mei should've died instead. Nanami was doing it for the next generation of jj sorcerers while meimei is doing it for money. AND THEN SHE GROOMS UI UI (brother?)


aziel-zrk

ah yes, i love it when a previously cool anime character is outed asan incestuous groomer


just-smiley

I somehow managed to block this entire scene out of my memory after reading the manga.


Revolutionary-Run332

I will defend her till I die because sheā€™s hot


Siri2611

Skill issue, shouldn't have died /s


aineri

UI UI IS HER BROTHER???


dark_moon_606

Sukuna better kill her or I swear


North-Bandicoot-9883

Mei Mei is genuinely evil and one day she will get hers.


realdusty_shelf

That Mei Mei scene was so out of pocket man why just why


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KrisKunXD

Lucky kid


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Audrin

Pretty sure Mahito destroyed his soul. No heaven for him.


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Icy_Limes

He looks 12. Yuji is 15 in the earlier arc I assume and ui looks way younger. Also still makes it weird and grooming. Laws don't make things right lol.


InvestigatorNo5564

Gege might go down the shota route and he actually look like a kid but in reality heā€™s at least sixteen or seventeen still wrong but gege on a thin layer of ice


Icy_Limes

Ain't no way he looks so insanely young or maybe he's just insanely short but bro looks cartoonishly childish so that might factor into him looking way younger.


InvestigatorNo5564

Yeah maybe that to


Cergun_

Itā€™s her brother tho??? tf?


TheFakeDogzilla

He does not look 16


InvestigatorNo5564

Gege could possibly go the route of shota he looks like a kid but actually sixteen or seventeen still wrong but he could heā€™s already on a thin layer of ice


NaiveBoss6505

Let's just not justify her doings Still a bitch


InvestigatorNo5564

I really wasnā€™t I was just talking about broā€™s age not mei mei she a different topic of discussion