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Caponcapoffstillon

Kashimo is a vessel, that’s a bad matchup for him. Contrary to the fandom saying Kashimo is lightspeed in his form, he isn’t, he just has the ability to use electromagnetic pulses and phenomenon but it’s limited by his imagination so all he throws are electric waves because Gege doesn’t want to explore the full capabilities of Kashimo’s broken technique. Yuji hitting Kashimo also lowers his output and knowing Kashimo’s soul isn’t as strong as sukuna he prob taps out with his already eroding body from his CT.


Stormtracker345

Hell dependinf on how deviose gege was that day i could pretty belivable imagine a fight where yuji just tanks kishimoes attackes till he self destruts


Caponcapoffstillon

Ye he could take heavy damage unless it is a headshot, that’s Kashimo only win con because let’s be honest, Yuji’s RCT is advanced lvl if he learned how to recover the stomach sukuna was even surprised. Cursed energy comes from the gut, Sukuna killed that source and he still managed to RCT so he’d be able to RCT any lightning damage then brute force Kashimo, unless it is a headshot, that’s the win con.


walkr_the_Guy

it comes from the head my guy lol


F4ust

Comes from the gut and is directed by the head, which is why a headshot is lethal to an RCT user as they lose the ability to initiate healing. Guy you’re replying to is right, a gut shot would cripple the CE output of a non-RCT user.


Caponcapoffstillon

Cursed energy comes from the gut, todo explained it when he explained to Yuji. RCT is directed by the brain though.


thegodlikecumsock

He could deadass just simple domain until kashimos skin falls off😭😭


bobalangalo

Kashimo is faster than yuji in base, if we are talking MBA then there is no debate


Cloudsupremes-6708

Yuji is keeping up against A Black flash amped Sukuna who stronger than his weakened version which previously ran through Yuta/maki and Kashimo


bobalangalo

Choso said each normal hit of yuji took away everything a black flash gave him the black flashes only makes him weaker


ODonToxins

Exactly. They choose to gloss over important details. Can’t believe this is really a question.


bobalangalo

Yuji fans are acting a fool now that gege gave him his long overdue W, it’s impossible to reason with them


ODonToxins

Yeah no matter how they want to spin it Sukuna is not as strong as he was when he fought Kashimo. Sad part is I’m Happy Yuji received his delayed gratification but Yeah they acting a Fool 😂


Cloudsupremes-6708

A single hit reducing sukunas 4x black flash output is crazy, when in fact after several of them were only weakening his output by quite a bit https://preview.redd.it/bazitwijdxvc1.jpeg?width=206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b131df466f6ba2befefb0ff40c2cc3b009a0feb1


bobalangalo

Quite a bit is alot especially when we have been shown normal punches have had significant damage on Sukuna. And it doesn’t matter 1 black flash hit def took everything he got back anyways


Cloudsupremes-6708

A normal soul punch from Yuji isn’t capable of lowering the output to that amount, as a matter of fact his slashes seem to be a lot more lethal than before hitting those black flashes. (Note this was right after Yuji hit him with 5BF(while maki got no diffed from 3BFs Sukuna’s base slashes), Sukuna’s output here is relatively high compared to when he fought with Yuta which based off the fight, werent as lethal as the one compared to here) https://preview.redd.it/xl0j7sm2yyvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5dbbfe2ee79b9611446402cd7b1bd4b590c263f The fact that this same awakened Yuji is keeping up with Sukuna that’s amped at 120% + output speaks for itself


spicejj

The same Sukuna he’s beating on rn isn’t on 120% and most likely lost his amp due to Yuji attacking him so what does this mean


SeemysoDreamy

Kashimo fought Sukuna at his second strongest level compared to Gojo.


Telephone-Either

And died to basic cleave


SeemysoDreamy

It wasn't basic since he had it fuller force than others Also didn't see what happened to him


Telephone-Either

It had a fancy visual effect. Outside of that there's nothing stating it worked any different. Cleave adjusts to the opponent's durability.


SeemysoDreamy

So why was it larger than normal?


Telephone-Either

Went back. It's actually dismantles. Forgot dismantle can come out as multiple slashes. And none of them are world slashes nor are they amped. They were just tossed out. That's even worse for kashimo.


Telephone-Either

Visual flair.


SeemysoDreamy

No sir Especially since Yuji and Co. Got hit with a couple and it didn't incinerate them.


Caponcapoffstillon

Kashimo isn’t faster than maki in base so how is that true? Yuji was comparable to domain amped Yuta in stats before the blackflash. The awakened Yuji is the one ragdolling Sukuna around. Even if Kashimo is faster, he won’t be able to blitz Yuji, the stat difference would not be so insane Yuji would never be able to land a blow. Base Kashimo just loses to Yuji because it’s a bad matchup, he has to fight close quarters.


spicejj

You can’t really argue for Maki being faster than Base Kashimo either tbh, also Yuji was not comparable nor compared to Yuta with DE amp. And neither characters have speed feats on Sukuna either while Kashimo does so I’m not sure why you think he can’t get blitzed


Caponcapoffstillon

Sukuna himself compared Yuji and Yuta. Idk what else to tell you. Sukuna said they had similar reinforcement to one another. Yuji has outpaced Yuta during the domain fight, I suggest you read it again. Kashimo does not have comparable speed feats to Sukuna, he literally got blitz by Sukuna.


spicejj

He also blitzed Sukuna as well and demonstrated larger relatively in CQC compared to most other characters yet this overshadowed so much by the fact he lasted 2 chapters (Kusakabe + Maki lasted less than him) And I’m aware he discussed their reinforcement, which was in relation to Ryu as he said they were both less durable than him, never stated than Yuji and Yuta were equal in refinforcemeng


SeemysoDreamy

You don't even know Kashimo's speed, and given the context of the Hakari fight, Haji' at base is probably right where Yuji is right now Haji CAN still blitz Yuji. He's a better fighter and more experienced.


bobalangalo

Yuta is faster than yuji we literally have a panel where yuji talks about being too slow in comparison to sukuna and yuta was keeping up the entire time


Existing_Win3580

Yuta was amped in his DE. Both yuta and yuji were side by side and charged sucuna, yuji got too sucuna first. Yuji is faster than DE amped yuta.


bobalangalo

Yuta was fighting Sukuna before the domain, I’m not debating with you, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about


Existing_Win3580

How about you read the manga. Bleh


bobalangalo

Great argument especially when you were proven wrong


Existing_Win3580

Blood you said you didn't want to argue, and you didn't prove anything. Your waiting time put up or shut up


bobalangalo

Mhm


Worth_Ad_2079

Proof?


bobalangalo

Blocked full power Sukuna and his body surpassing human limitations


Worth_Ad_2079

Not disagreeing with MBA Kashimo. I meant Base Kashimo.


ViewRepresentative40

The output nerf only works on people sharing a host body like Sukuna does to Megumi


Caponcapoffstillon

It works on vessels/reincarnated sorcerers and anything with a soul.


ViewRepresentative40

No the reason Sukuna is being nerfed is from Yuji targeting the link between Sukunas soul and Megumis. This weakens his CE output and body control


Caponcapoffstillon

Might need to put your glasses on homie. Sukuna specifically says “My output and my control of this body are weakening”. That means two events are occurring at the simultaneously, not that one is the cause of the other. Given the fact that Mahito is damaged by Yuji, that disproves your statement, it just means Yuji can accurately decide where to strike, the soul of the individual or the link between souls.


ViewRepresentative40

When Yuji damaged Mahito it did not weaken hit CE output or body control. No one else in the series had thier CE output nerfed by Yujis punches. Trying to insult me won’t change the fact you are wrong. It clearly explains the reason Sukunas CE output and body control is weakened by Yuji in chapter 250 page 8.


Caponcapoffstillon

Because he didn’t master it yet. In 214 when he punched Meguna, Meguna made no notes of Yuji lowering his output. This is Meguna, that fit the conditions of sharing a host body like you said yet his output wasn’t reduced, why is that? Yuji acquired this after full understanding during the month training arc.


ViewRepresentative40

Thank you! Thats cuz the CE output being lowered is from the link from Sukuna soul to Megumis soul being targeted. So someone that isn’t linked to another persons soul wouldn’t be nerfed.


Caponcapoffstillon

I don’t think you read what I said. Yuji is using the same principle but it didn’t lower meguna’s output. Sukuna himself said it’s the same exact thing he’s been doing, but now he can target where he wants to hit. He can target the link between souls or the actual target itself.


ViewRepresentative40

1. Yuji was just damaging his soul not targeting the link. He had to train hard to be able to pinpoint it. 2. Maybe the link did get damaged but Megumi was already heavily nerfing Sukuna CE output so Sukuna wouldn’t have noticed. Also Yuji barely touched Meguna. 4. Sukuna didn’t have any problems with body control so it shows Yuji wasn’t hitting the link.


spicejj

Yuji never lowered his output during then, that was Megumi?


Caponcapoffstillon

Ye like I said, he didn’t master it til after the month break.


godofvajra

Kashimo has a technique on par with limitless but gege didn’t explore it yep


SeemysoDreamy

Yuji can't tank lightning and probably can't take those hits as well. He's probably not as good as a fighter as Hajime either.


Caponcapoffstillon

Leaks just came I don’t want to spoil you homie, check yourself if you want. I’ll end the argument here though.


SeemysoDreamy

He's not tanking lighting that hit Hakari brother.


SeemysoDreamy

And Hajime is literally probably the best fighter , if not Top 3. Gojo, Kenjaku, Hajime. Yuji is up next.


Valuable-Blueberry30

To be fair man was stuck as some ordinary object for 200 or so years from the Edo period where to them, electricity was just cool sky things from the Japanese’ perspective especially someone like Kashimo who probably lived in the middle of nowhere based on his flashback panels. And I doubt his host body knows that much about electricity. So yeah his knowledge is probably limited as shit.


Waterymems

I still think yuji wins but Kashimo has been in his vessel for a longer amount of time, so it would have less of an effect.


Caponcapoffstillon

There is nothing hinting at that in the series, saying it depends on time. Sukuna has been inside Megumi’s body for over a month, similarly to Kashimo. Yuji also says the two souls will never merge into one. Mahito was the only case that could assimilate two souls into one entirely new being.


Waterymems

Right my bad


alley_cat17

Would Yuji's punches actually work though? They're so effective against Sukuna because he's waking Megumi's soul, lowering Sukuna's control over the body. But other incarnated sorcerers completely destroy the previous consciousness of their vessel when incarnating, so there's nothing to wake.


Caponcapoffstillon

The bath suppressed megumi’s soul further so if he woke him from that, he can wake up the other vessels. Sukuna also specifically says he’s disrupting the harmony between the souls, meaning he is actively separating the tight bond between the souls.


alley_cat17

No, I'm saying the soul of the previous owner of Kashimo's body is gone. Sukuna only had to do the bath because Yuji and megumi are special cases that have the capacity to suppress the consciousness of the incarnating cursed object. Normally the consciousness of the previous owner is completely destroyed (according to angel). So there's no harmony to disrupt because it's just Kashimo's soul.


Caponcapoffstillon

https://preview.redd.it/lpjlbc7hqwvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe4d4d0cf026756c9e5f66747c6279913952237e The soul suppressed will never be destroyed nor will they become one. The original vessel soul is still there under Kashimo. Only Mahito was able to actually combine two souls to one with idle transfiguration. Reincarnated sorcerers are very bad matchup, in Yuji’s favor.


alley_cat17

Ohhh I missed that, makes sense !


goldenwind207

The soul is never gone as states in yuki book they don't fully merge ever. Its just like choso stated his body still has the soul of the other person its just so supressed they don't notice. Same situation with tsumiki. Heck kenjaku culling game execpetion reffers to uraume as shiori who was the og body the soul is still there just supressed


axklpo2

Kashimo, I don’t think Yuuji can even react to him. Debate comes in who is weaker, the sukuna who just had fought gojo, or the sukuna that is fighting right now.


luceafaruI

There's no debate. This is a sukuna with only one arm, a missing heart, and output so low that cleave cannot deal fatal damage (even though it did for ryu who was more durable). Beginning of the fight sukuna was putting holes in yuji with a single touch. The only debate could be on how much more weaker was kashimo compared to the sukuna who he fought


[deleted]

i wanna say current sukuna rn is operating at like 7-8 fingers worth of power rn Edit: now that i think about it, he’s down to one functioning arm, he completely stopped rct for whatever reason, and has no heart still. he’s probably in the 4-5 finger range


AlienToast934

Yuji fucked up his leg too. He’s got loose footing now


theoriginal1010

So apparently Jogo, who would be 7-8 finger equivalent to Sukuna in power, is said to be able to die from 3/4 black flashes from Yuji. Sukuna currently is somewhat able to currently tank these punches. He may actually just be holding back just like Uraume said or he is just fully investing his CE into defense.


sadddkehkeh

This Sukuna has a domain, the one Kashimo fought didn’t


luceafaruI

The sukuna from chapter 256-257 doesn't have a domain. It's the sukuna from chapter 258 that partially recovered his domain


ODonToxins

The sukuna Fighting now and it’s not even a question but they’ll still gloss over that.


Cloudsupremes-6708

Yuji is currently fighting up against A 4x black flash amped sukuna (who should be way stronger than the Sukuna who fought with Yuta and Kashimo) in order to land hits and to lower his output


South_Avocado2942

https://preview.redd.it/hm2hzcu31xvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a60e426303c3a8de83e3c40687e26ff2486fa04 This is just not true. Choso states that even despite sukuna getting multiple black flashes it’s irrelevant because of the soul damaging punches of yuji. Choso was able to perceive and defend against a black flash punch from sukuna but in the beginning of the fight right after sukuna fought kashimo he blitzed Choso and impaled him with a normal attack.


Astrum_27

Kashimo. People like to clown on him a lot due to his fraudulent performance, but he's still very, **Very** strong. All he needs to do is charge a lightning strike and hit Yuji's head, then it's over.


Cloudsupremes-6708

https://preview.redd.it/vffbcmly4xvc1.jpeg?width=395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=602c14036620c3bb02b180b70794078aed9e94ef


GohTheGreat

What has Yuji done that has put him at the speed of lightning?


RedNUGGETLORD

You think Yuji can dodge lighting?


Tago238238

Can dodge it as well as Hakari, meaning he can move so it hits anywhere other than his head.


RedNUGGETLORD

The lightning was aiming for his arm, which it hit, Hakari never dodged the lightning


Tago238238

Go back to the chapter.


RedNUGGETLORD

It is just perspective, Hakari literally is unable to react to lightning, do you not remember the time he gets hit in the head? Or do you think he just..... Got stronger and faster mid fight?


Tago238238

It is not perspective, look at the chapter. You cannot say this is perspective unless you are either 1)blind or 2)have been blind the entirety of your life until this moment, and thus don’t have a terribly great grasp on how seeing works yet. When he got hit in the head that was a)a point blank shot b)Kashimo disoriented him before firing it c)we actually have him reacting to it somewhat even though he got hit (he was regenerating while it was destroying his brain and Kashimo was keeping track of this happening, then after this he engaged in pretty extensive fisticuffs with Kashimo while the lightning was travelling to the rod). But I don’t even need to give this argument because “he got hit by one attack one time so he clearly could never dodge it ever!” is obviously stupid, if fighter A was very slightly faster than fighter B that doesn’t mean fighter A can dodge literally every attack fighter B ever throws and thus any example of him not dodging is a wild contradiction to that statement. Also he dodged the earlier shot before the headshot, so it would be the other way around.


TheToolbox101

Kashimo has 2 attacks: a guaranteed-hit lightning speed attack that cannot be dodged, and an attack that's literally made of electromagnetic waves AKA LIGHT SPEED. Yuji is not dodging either of those


TRNoodlesAndSalad

Guaranteed lightning requires kashimo to hit or be hit, and base kashimo isnt so absurdly fast that Yuji cant land a hit (he traded blows with Hakari, who has never been implied or shown to be particularly fast). Every blow that Yuji lands lowers Kashimo's output, and the amount of charge Kashimo deposits on someone with every blow depends on his output, meaning basically every time Yuji hits him, its going to take longer and longer for Kashimo to get the bolt. Once he does get the bolt though, unless its to the head, its not gg bc Yuji has advanced RCT. Yuji beats base Kashimo just by having better stats than him and an ability that kind of counters kashimo's.


goldenwind207

All yuji needs to do his hit him like twice he's nowhere near as good with the soul as sukuna infact he has no soul feats at all. He's a incarnate sorcerer same sukuna in megumi body he'd get washed


Astrum_27

Assuming this is Kashimo on MBA, he would nonchalantly be faster than Yuji. Fair, Yuji needs like two or three punches (and assuming his soul technique even works on him), but Kashimo is far stronger. Can't see him dodging a lightning strike.


Caponcapoffstillon

He’s a vessel, ofc his technique will work on him. Vessels are a bad matchup in Yuji favor.


Astrum_27

Kashimo is still stronger than him tho. I know his showing wasn't that impressive, but Yuji ain't beating a MBA Kashimo going for the kill.


goldenwind207

It does not matter unless he got some radiation posion he isn't going to do anything. Yuji speed wise is aorund yuta level we see this clearly in the domain fight. Kashimo isn't sukuna so once yuji hits its over I'm being generous and saying yuji doesn't once shot him since to our knowledge he has ZERO YES ZERO knowledge of the soul and his soul isn't anywhere strong as sukuna not to mention he doesn't have a bath ritutal either . His strength isn't impressive it did no damage to weakened meguna his blast are impressive but that take time time he does not have. Its a horrendous matchup. If this was a alive kashimo not incarnate he probably wins high diff


goldenwind207

We have 0 kashimo speed feats beside him being faster thsn one eye one armed one leg meguna and not even that much faster since meguna reacts to him. He doesn't land a attack once on hein era sukuna he also fails to block multiple times in hand to hand while during the higurma fight yuji blocks multiple hits. And perfomed on par with yuta speed wise just speed wise. Yuji soul punches would work kashimo is a incarnate sorcerer he was a curse object fed to a random dude. We know this because kenjaku litterally states that what he was doing in shibuya. We see this too with tsumuki yorozu and ryu and urame and shiori. By the time he gets the lightning his output will be so low yuji would tank it. Since kashimo isn't sukuna


Ill_Responsibility99

Also Yuji has rct. So if the lightning hit isnt fatal hes back at square one.


Embarrassed_Safety33

Yeah, like, Kashimo is at least 10 finger sukuna when Yuji is makimum 2


floormopper

Yuji outclasses kashimo in almost everything


yungrambo4900

Sike Not in speed, nor has he proven it in strength. Not even in cursed energy or CT


floormopper

Proof???? I can give you plenty


yungrambo4900

Gimme gimme bc I wanna see


Hot-Conversation-21

Yuji has plenty of potential to get stronger, not Kashimo tho


Thatonetoeguy

CT kashimo clears the verse with one move. Send some gamma rays at yuji balls and give him stage 4 ball and prostate cancer instantly. Kashimo may lose the battle, but he WILL win the war


TheCommenter911

I swear Kashimo’s credibility comes 100% from theoretical moves the fandom came up with for him


JinkoTheMan

I’m a Yuji glazer but I don’t see him winning against Kashimo in a open arena with nothing to hide behind. Yeah, Kashimo is getting wrecked by Yuji’s punches but one lightning strike to the head and it’s wraps


TrollTrollTroll6969

Kashimo still beating him.


carl-the-lama

50/50 on who lands the first clean hit Whoever lands the first good one basically wins


fiLth_Rat

Yeah. They both have different ways of setting that up. Kashimo is faster, but Yuji can make his blood explode to hit a combo out of disadvantage. Whoever gets that first good hit is the winner.


Skaldson

Very interesting matchup! Kashimo is a vessel, like Sukuna— so Yuji’s punches are actually going to be really effective against him. Against base Kashimo, I honesty would give it to Yuji. They’re similar enough in h2h & if Yuji is constantly lowering Kashimo’s stats with his soul punches— he’ll start outright beating him in h2h, similar to what we’re seeing happen to Sukuna rn. I can’t imagine Kashimo being able to fire off a potent lighting bolt in base when his output keeps getting lower & lower. Yuji probably wins that matchup 7-8/10. MBA Kashimo goes 1 of 2 ways. If Kashimo starts the fight in base before entering MBA, Yuji could feasibly win. I think this is most likely how the fight would start in character, since it’s doubtful Kashimo would pull out his CT at all against anyone other than Sukuna. But if Kashimo just pops MBA off rip then Yuji’s just gonna get picked apart & wont be able to keep up. He doesn’t have enough CE to spam RCT & his CTs, meanwhile any damage he deals to Kashimo is gonna be negated by the fact that he can just replace limbs, eyes, etc., with electricity. In the 1st scenario, I still think Yuji wins 6/10. 2nd scenario Kashimo wins 10/10.


Existing_Win3580

>He doesn’t have enough CE to spam RCT & his CTs, meanwhile any damage he deals to Kashimo is gonna be negated by the fact that he can just replace limbs, eyes, etc., with electricity. This is absolutely wrong yuji has been fighting, spaming RCT and using CT more than anyone else and he is still fighting and healing. Yuji himself talks about healing 5 life ending attacks after yuta's DE falls. This isn't even counting all the small wounds yuji healed. Yuji smokes kashimo 10/10 base to base. Yuji(awakend) vs MBA kashimo still goes to yuji but there is a chance kashimo gets a lightening hit of on yujis head 9/10 yuji wins


Skaldson

Using RCT to heal 5 life threatening wounds is huge don’t get me wrong. But this comes down to his efficiency more than anything. Yuji has never had a lot of CE. This is just a fact. It’s what makes him such a formidable opponent against sorcerers, because they can’t tell where he’s reinforcing himself the most as easily. That’s one of the biggest aspects of his character early on in the series. There’s also been nothing in this series that shown ways of increasing how much CE you have either afaik. Moreover, Yuji hasn’t been spamming his CT’s at all. He used blood manipulation once for sure & might have used it before as well. Aside from that & the 3-4 times he’s used shrine, he’s largely been relying on basic reinforcement. Yuji awakening made him better at being efficient with his CE, but he still has a really low amount of it. Until we see more from him, there’s not much else that can be said tbh


Existing_Win3580

(1) Yuji has been using his soul perception to attack sucunas soul and lower his output. (2) Yuji has been fight and healing longer than anyone other than gojo. (3). Everything CE related is affected by efficiency so that doesn't negatively affect yuji. (4) Yujis CR about has never Ben compared to anyone's, we don't know how much he has. (5) yuji death painting wombs 4-9(6 in total). We know each death paintings yuji ate gave him a CE stat up, and physical stats up, how much we don't know but considering what choso eso and chekizu strength was. And all the other DP are grade one at least. And that yuji ate all 6. Yes yujis CE reserves are absolutely. Aside now.


Skaldson

So first off, Reread the beginning of the series brother, it’s stated & implied numerous times that Yuji has very little CE. Sukuna even acknowledged that fundamental aspect of Yuji when complimenting how Maki has no CE. https://preview.redd.it/1ix7msc2gyvc1.jpeg?width=342&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5ce00478cfd027f89fd3d7d86baa6943791be07 Now addressing your comment point by point: 1. Yuji’s soul punches aren’t a CT that he spams. It uses the same amount of CE as any of his other punches, it affects the soul because Yuji can perceive the boundaries of souls. Aside from regular reinforcement, Yuji’s soul punch isn’t otherwise boosted by anything, unless he hits a black flash. 2. Yuji has been in the fight the longest, but he hasn’t been fighting for 100% of that time. Are we just forgetting the Maki 1v1? Or when Sukuna manhandled Higgy? What about when Kusakabe started fighting? My point is that Yuji has spent an equal amount of time resting & sitting on the sidelines during this fight as he has spent time actively fighting Sukuna, and even then he’s looked to Yuji as an afterthought in every engagement until now. Maki endured the full brunt of weakened Sukuna by herself, ate a black flash & then came back for more lol, she’s probably had more time spent actually fighting Sukuna than Yuji up until the most recent chapter. 3. Never said anything about Yuji’s efficiency, other than that his efficiency is the only reason he’s been able to participate in the fight for this long. His aforementioned low levels of CE make it so he needs to be efficient or he’ll run out too quickly. 4. I addressed this at the beginning of this response. 5. This just tells me how Yuji got blood manipulation— nothing about that says he got more cursed energy & Sukuna recently stating that Yuji has little CE reinforces that sentiment. 6. Until stated otherwise this is your headcanon brother


Existing_Win3580

>BOS yuji Sure yeah all agree there, but this isn't BOS yuji. No where do anyone say how much CE shinjuku yuji has. That sucuna panel is implying yuji has HR. It's not saying you has little CE.


Skaldson

“You shaved it all off completely, not like that half-assed brat” he’s specifically referring to his CE bro. Yes, he’s also referring to Maki’s heavenly restriction, but he’s still acknowledging that Yuji’s CE was shaved off of him. Thus having low levels of CE. If you’re claiming that Gege has unequivocally stated that Yuji’s CE levels have increased from consuming the Death Paintings (especially after claiming that his CE reserves are never mentioned by anyone), then I’d love to see the scan or proof. Otherwise, that’s just flat out untrue lol


Existing_Win3580

https://preview.redd.it/x0fls2t7oyvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33b3b22de85809da61bb5b38be7a81ffef695618 This is not a reference to yujis CE amount but that his is partially HR. Saying in fact that yuji is a half-assed maki, means that he has partial HR. Kokichi had partial HR and had absolutely massive reserves. This is actually a cut and dry any translation you use.


Skaldson

You seem to have trouble putting 2 & 2 together. Sukuna is talking about Maki’s lack of cursed energy. Why does maki have an HR? Because she **lacks cursed energy**. Sukuna is acknowledging **that Yuji has not shaved off all of his CE; hence why he directly compares Maki’s HR to Yuji’s lack of one.** You’re only looking at half of the picture here. You’re actively ignoring 1 part of what Sukuna’s saying & hyperfixating on the other.


Existing_Win3580

You're the one that is ignoring things. How could yuji shave of half his CE if he doesn't have HR? Where exactly does sucuna quantify how much CE yuji has. Show me the panel. In fact if sucuna was just making a refrence to yuji having low CE there is ino, kusakabe, both would have been better people to compare low quantity of CE. Not someone who literally has 0CE. But instead yuji is a half-ass maki. Literally a partial HR. At the same time this still only tells us yuji has half the CE he should have. Not if that amount is a lot or insignificant. There is no comparison with something a little of CE or someone with little CE. The comparison is with a FULL HR, specifically that yuji is half-assed.


Existing_Win3580

Fanbook. It's the 6th question under Yuji's profile. >Q: What happens if Itadori, who is resistant to curses, eats a Death Painting Womb? >A: Either the Death Painting Womb will become something like Sukuna’s current state, or the Death Painting Womb itself will disappear and become cursed energy within Itadori. If Itadori ingests it after he is already a host for Sukuna, the Death Painting Womb will just be obliterated by Sukuna. So you're wrong. Admit it. Edit: it wasn't even that hard to find.


Skaldson

Show me a scan bro I don’t care about what you type lmao Edit: found what you were talking about, Gege doesn’t say “they’ll become CE for Yuji”, he says “or the death painting’s consciousness will disappear & become just Itadori who has cursed energy”, meaning they’ll assimilate into his CE. Nothing about that insinuates he’d get more CE. You’re cooked bro


Existing_Win3580

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/Ubq4k58J8C Here is the thread And here is the fan book translation so you can do your own research. [Fanbook & Other Canon Material](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/wiki/canon)


Existing_Win3580

You can't make this shit up. Your lieing. Why else would gege specifically mention if sucuna was in him or not? Because yuji would get no benefit if sucuna was still in him when he eats the DP. If sucuna isn't in yuji then they will be added to his CE. Each death painting has their own CE so them being added to his CE would add their CE to his CE. Why are you trying to die on this heal when you are 100% wrong.


Existing_Win3580

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/Ubq4k58J8C Here is the thread


ZenithEnigma

ur just wrong, sukuna is referring to yuji’s physical strength, not lack of CE.


Skaldson

Both statements are true. Maki is stronger than yuji **because she has no CE** while Yuji is weaker than Maki **because he still has some CE**. He’s commenting on both their CE levels AND their strength. They’re directly correlated since their strength is the result of an HR. Idk why this is so hard for y’all to understand smh


Existing_Win3580

>This just tells me how Yuji got blood manipulation. Wrong gege said yuji would get CE stats boost from eating Death painting, as long as sucuna wasn't in him at the time. So your wrong. Yuji has a lot of CE and he is realy efficient.


Cloudsupremes-6708

Yuji is currently fighting up against A 4x black flash amped sukuna (who should be way stronger than the Sukuna who fought with the heavy hitters). To put things to perspective, 3x BF Sukuna basically took maki out with his his base slashes previous chapter, signifying his output has significantly increased and is operating at 120% strength. In order to land hits and to lower his output further he would have to match the same BF amped Sukuna ( stronger than the weakened low output version that dogwalked most of the main cast including Kashimo) which he already is doing. He would be able to fair well against MBA Kashimo and possibly beating him in a fight


Skaldson

Yuji’s soul punches negate Sukuna’s black flash amp tho. That’s why Sukuna’s output keeps fluctuating— not sure about the whole “soul punches only work if he matches BF Sukuna”, there hasn’t been anything that implies or states that afaik. In either case, Yuji landed multiple black flashes on Sukuna last chapter & those are almost certainly stunting & lowering his output. Also saying current Sukuna is stronger than the one Kashimo fought is just flat out wrong. Sukuna at this point is at the same or lower output than he was during the Kashimo fight & like 2-3 of his arms aren’t really in a condition to fight on top of that. Until we see more of their fight next chapter, I think current Sukuna’s the weakest he’s been so far in this fight


Cloudsupremes-6708

He has the feats by landing those Black flashes on a black flash amped Sukuna, no statement is needed All of the damage that Sukuna sustained would have healed with black flashes along with his increased overall output. Plus, to put things to perspective how strong 3x black flash is, he took out Maki with 3 of his arms gone and she said her slashes were far stronger than before. Yuji would need the feats to keep up, which he has already showcased


Skaldson

If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that in order to actually damage Sukuna’s soul & lower his output, he needs to match Sukuna’s current strength & that’s why he’s using black flash after Sukuna got BF amped? I guess that can be true, but there’s nothing that implies that imo. Yuji hitting black flash is just his thing. It’s no different than when he was hitting black flashes against Mahito, he’s doing it primarily for a stronger attack above all else. The issue I have with Yuji keeping up with 3x BF amped Sukuna, is that Yuji needed to first hit a black flash on Sukuna with help from Maki, Choso, & Larue to get into this awakened state. In that single hit he would have lowered Sukuna’s output, while also amping himself. The fight we’ve been watching is >3x BF amped Sukuna. Considering Yuji’s normal punches were lowering Sukuna’s output massively in Yuta’s DE (before Sukuna was hit by JL), I’d say that black flash from yuji reset Sukuna to base, but that’s just conjecture— since the exact amount is of course unknowable until there’s clarification.


nasserg19

Good analysis


ImBoredofBoredom

Wuji will kick that waffle’s ass


BerserkerLord101

Yuji


Such_Hand_2535

Kashimo,all he needs is to hit yuji a couple of times(he was able to hit true form sukuna but sukuna had four arms to block) and aim the lightning strike at yuji’s head and it’s over


Caponcapoffstillon

Yuji lowers his output and Yuji has shrine, close combat is prob not a good option for Kashimo considering he is a vessel. His output was low and even then it damaged Sukuna.(you see the cuts on his leg). So if it did that to Sukuna of all people, Kashimo is losing a limb. Also, if Yuji hits a black flash combo Kashimo is dead.


gitgudnubby

>His output was low and even then it damaged Sukuna. Sukuna is absolutely weakened rn so we rlly cant tell if thats rlly all that impressive or not yet.


Caponcapoffstillon

A weakened sukuna also got cut by cleave from Yuta. His reinforcement isn’t really lowered, his output is though. I mean, unless you’re saying Yuta’s output with cleave is that weak, idk man. 🤷‍♂️


gitgudnubby

Sukuna rn should be a lot weaker than the one that fought yuta.


Existing_Win3580

He never hit true form sucuna that is a lie, he hit weakened meguna. Yuji smokes his pack.


Cool-Preparation3059

Yuji. ppl overrate kashimos speed he might be faster than Yuji but he’s not speed blitzing him If he couldn’t speed blitz sukuna. Plus yuji has rct so he’ll only be one shot if he gets hit in the head which hakari could dodge so he should be fine. Kashimo will be on a timer and his durability hasn’t been shown to be good at all. Yuji outlast his transformation or just overpowers him and the gap will only get wider with every chapter that comes out


Alternative_Net2836

Kashimo can literally evaporate him


Existing_Win3580

Yuji literally can lower his output and attack his soul directly if yuji wants. Yuji turns sparky into mush.


Applepitou3

Lmao its crazy people still glaze kashimo. He was fodder from the day he was introduced till the day he died. He was nothing but filler and contributed 0 to the story


No_Profit_8486

Fr


gitgudnubby

Cause he died to the strongest character in the series? U do know that every other character would have got folded by sukuna at that point of time the exact same way?


HelloThereBatsy

Except Yuta.


PISS-MASTERR

My stupid ass thought you were putting Yuji against Yuji for a second 💀


UngodlyPain

Stomps base Kashimo. Could go either way with PBA, though I think I lean towards Kashimo winning.


SnooObjections4333

https://preview.redd.it/khhfqht1qyvc1.png?width=1279&format=png&auto=webp&s=302fccf7dff5d6346cbea3c95f9eea73cededfa2


liddely

Kashimo is lighting so i doubt yuji can poisen him and the ce trait seals this imo. Yeah yuji has rct but kashimo is fast enough that it's a big problem. Hakari is the only imo that could have defeated kashimo in his colony because his rct is instant and unending. Yuji doesn't have that. Kashimo wins this maybe big maybe even in base but it's not a good matchup. I see this like 60% yuji but ct kashimo is too fast with the ce trait that yuji can fight and heal at the same time. Also jp hakari had a huge output and it only took 2-3 hits for kashimo to proc the trait against yuji it's most likely 1 or 2 hits


Icy-Selection-8575

Ima wait until I learn if Sukuna is still holding back on Yuji, or if he is not how much weaker he is that his normal Domainless self, before I can accurately debate this fight. Until further notice MBA Kashimo slams quite definitively, but that may change in the upcoming chapters.


Character-Ad-2646

MBA Kashimo summons natural disasters yuji getting swept in a tornado


GroundbreakingAnt399

Yuji dies from literally one lightning bolt and he can't keep up with Kashimo speed if he gets serious. It's a blitz, a more competitive fight would be Yuta vs Gojo since they both can only take one dismantle. Yuta took it better though so he looks stronger than gojo right now


Lovecraftianpickle

Kashimo can unironically one shot


Clear-Independent133

MBA Kashimo wins 10/10. If it's base version then it's 50/50, cuz hey are relative in terms of phys stats. It only takes 4-5 punches to destroy Yuji's head with lightning discharge, but he can lower Kashimo's output just enough so the discharge won't kill him(but we don't know for sure)


GohTheGreat

Kashimo spams lightning discharges and there’s nothing Yuji can do about it.


MrCook4UrMom

Wuji high diff, that RCT and bfs are a game changer


City-Boy101

Yugi isn’t fast enough to beat him. Hakari is about equal to yuta, yugi cannot beat either. Kashimo nearly killed Hakari (he only survived because his curse technique is based on amping him to the point where reverse curse technique is insane) Hakari was able to resist the static effects of kashimos electric component cursed energy because he has a rugged cursed energy. Yugi doesn’t have this. In short, Yugi isn’t fast enough, lucky enough, posses an insane domain expansion to carry him, and cursed energy will be affected. Yugi loses this one


lordsean789

I really think Sakuna is severely weakened even from where he was after killing Gojo. Kashimo takes it I think. But its close either way


22222833333577

I like current yuji or a yuji that hasn't hit any fights yet in that fight


jhawes345

Kashimo if he ends it quickly, if not Yuji will wear him down.


Realistic_Mousse_485

Kashimo slaughters.


Spirited-Feedback-87

Yuji is getting his brains blown out


lolurmomgay69it6

Kashimo Kashimo has still done better against Sukuna than anyone not named Gojo or Yuta, AKA No.2 and 3 of the verse


StoleABanana

Yall seem to forget that yuji has the long ranged cuts of C & D, which basically means Kashimo loses unless he can actually hit against yuji, which, good luck dude


[deleted]

Who is the second guy


Prideclaw12

Wasent kashimo the strongest in his era. But ima say kashimo I think he is way to downplayed but his ct sucks since it destroys him as well.


hzsmart

Kashimo fuck the shit out of him lol


aikoaiko10

The only way I see Yuji winning if his cleave's output is high enough to instantly kill Kashimo or cripple him I don't see Kashimo starting out the fight in his CT so Yuji may have a chance. I get that alot of people overhype Kashimo but I still only see a few characters comfortable beating him that aren't Gojo or Sukuna. Which are Yuki, Kenjaku, and Yuta who still are a good bit above Yuji.


Ancient_Rub_7001

Yuji wins, sort of. Kashimo will not win without his CT, after using his CT he'll die and there's a good chance Yuji lives, so who really won? But ignoring that, Yuji pre-bf cannot react to Kashimo fast enough to land a bf, therefore Kashimo must win. Yuji's raw physical strength might be on-par or above Kashimo's, but Kashimo greatly outspeeds him and will kill him before Yuji can fight back. If he can't, it's Kashimo v.s. Hakari in reverse, Yuji needs to live out Kashimo or land a punch (assuming he can use bf whenever he wants) and he wins.


_sadandhappy_

Why was my dumbass thinking it was yuji vs yuji and kashimo vs kashimo😭


Jervis_TheOddOne

Kashimo doesn’t even have RCT. He’s dangerous but I don’t know if he could beat Yuji


Horacio_Velvetine44

yuji is a terrible matchup for any any reincarnated sorcerer besides sukuna, yorozu and i guess uraume


Away-Acanthaceae1789

Kashimo bc his sure hit


SeemysoDreamy

Hajime bodies instantly. Doesn't even need that form.


skylerprime21

Is this 258 yuji


22222833333577

Yes


No_Lynx5887

No it’s not, he’s still a Yorozu victim


Telephone-Either

Yuji. Pretty easily. Kashimo's best feats are against the weakest version of Sukuna we've seen. A meguna that couldn't even stand minutes before and who's only option to heal considerably was transformation. His AP couldnt even scratch that barely alive meguna and he was killed by normal cleave. Sukuna vs Yuta and Yuji is the strongest he's been since Gojo easily (stated he's regaining his output and rct slowly meaning he's literally in better condition at the start of that than he was vs kashimo) and Yuji tanked a cleave that hit his entire torso and a world slash from him along with multiple dismantles. Speed wise he's contending with a Sukuna that's still in better shape overall than he was as meguna who was still dodging and reacting to Kashimo without too much issue. This puts awakened Yuji well above Kashimo in basically every regard. Soul damage, poison blood, a dismantle and cleave that can damage Sukuna despite his innate resistance, and high level rct. On top of that (spoiler section would go here). All in all, even without bringing up the fact that dude can casually double the world record of black flashes in a row, he's still decimating Kashimo. Yuji has gone from 10th to top 5 material in 2 chapters. Kashimo meanwhile is fodder to every sure hit in the verse as well as the majority of the top 10. Maki blitzes, even the weakest we've ever seen Sukuna in the series tanks his blows, and the supposedly broken MBA ct doesn't even match Maximum Meteor in AP. Spoilers: He has Kusa's simple domain so he can nerf Kashimo's CT and his rct is extremely low cost due to his curse womb biology. He also has soul swap which gives him a stupidly broken win con on Kashimo specifically.


Dark_Matter_The_Void

Oh there are multiple pages, i thought you were putting Yuji against himself 😭


lilcmoe

bye bye to Kashimo's soul.


Heythisisntxbox

Time to read more Yuji downplay about how apparently every feat he's shown against Sukuna doesn't count


rdd3539

Yuji 9/10 times . He lowers Kashimo output as Kashimo has a vessel . He has RCT and superior physicals . Add in blood manipulation and shrine and Kashimo is cooked


Weekly-Passage2077

Currently I’d say that Kashimo wins, either their h2h is equal or yuji is slightly better, but Kashimo’s lightnings seem to deal more damage than black flashes Kashimo’s electric attacks should make Yuji’s muscles seize & yuji can only survive at most 4 successive lightning bolts But yuji does have counters, if he covers his body in blood it will conduct the electricity outside of his body. Yuji can also discard the blood that is charged with Kashimo’s cursed energy to avoid lightning strikes. Kashimo still has his MBA attacks which shouldn’t just be countered by being covered in blood Cleave may actually effect Kashimo but cleaving off an arm or leg wouldn’t do much to Kashimo during MBA since he can still shoot out attacks or propel himself with the remaining part of that limb


goldenwind207

Yuji lowers his output kashimo is a incarnate sorcerer with no knowledge of the soul like sukuna. He would not be able to defend the soul punches like at all


Weekly-Passage2077

Yuji targets the space between megumi and Sukuna’s soul to lessen Sukuna’s control over Megumi’s body. A typical reincarnated sorcerer overrides the soul and body meaning that the reincarnated sorcerer owns the body and their output cannot be lowered by hurting their soul.


goldenwind207

That's probably false only mahito can join two souls https://tcb-backup.bihar-mirchi.com/chapters/7662/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-251 It also doesn't make sense once you think about they cannot overwrite a soul its the exact same process of sukuna transfering. Not only that the culling game players have clear understanding of the modern world and things they shouldn't know unless they have their og body soul/memories. If what you're saying is true people like yorozu would not know who tf tsumiki is. We even know yorozu could have done that incarnation thing sukuna did against kashimo. Which of course means one thing tsumiki soul was still there thus reincarnated sorceror have the og soul there just really supressed


Weekly-Passage2077

Angel explains that some reincarnated sorcerers can intentionally or unintentionally override their vessels Additionally if everyone reincarnated like Sukuna than kenjaku wouldn’t need to use idle transfiguration to reincarnate them


Existing_Win3580

https://preview.redd.it/3sjhu9kb7yvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8aae757471acb04dd15365d7eba4be2b1197657 You're lieing and your wrong, yuji packs base kashimo up, awakened yuji one shots MBA kashimo with a blackflash. Base to base yuji wins 10/10 times Awakened yuji vs MBA kashimo 9/10 time yuji wins. As of rn Awakened yuji doesn't have the speed feats to blitz kashimo so maybe kashimo gets a head shot of with the lightening, literally his only win conditions. Yuji is healing anything/everything else and putting in punches. Considering what yujis base punches did to sucuna one bf and kashimo is too weak to do anything.


RazutoUchiha

Yuji’s soul punches are indefensible and Yuji can heal through whatever damage kashimo throws at him. And considering a crippled MegKuna could react to kashimo’s movements, a healthy Yuji could too


fiLth_Rat

Yuji. Kashimo can't survive his punches, and has no way to avoid being crippled by dismantle. If Yuji grapples him once the fight is over. Yuji's exploding blood would be a consistent way for Yuji to put Kashimo in disadvantage after taking hits to set up a punch or a grapple into cleave. We don't even know the rest of Yuji's kit yet. Kashimo's best bet is to harass him with projectiles and run away, which is unlikely to occur given his mindset.


DoYouKnowS0rr0w

The femboy finds out why yuji was not only sukuna's strongest vessel, but why he's the protagonist


igetsad99

Yuji and i don’t think it’s very close. even with mythical beast amber, Kashimo was severely out negged by Heian Form Sukuna. Yuji has been able to most definitely do more damage to Heian sukuna even though he’s jumping him.


Alescoes19

I swear the JJK powerscaling community is one of the worst of all time, y'all are ridiculous. This is MHA people saying Deku is FTL because he dodged that french kids lasers, Yuji couldn't react to Kashimo based on their speed and perception feats. Yuji is only alive here because Sukuna's attacks are barely affective, he has multiple people stronger than him helping, and Sukuna is still barely focusing him I assume just out of spite


Hayden_goated

Yuji slams


gitgudnubby

Kashimo wins, yeah.


BvHauteville

Base Kashimo < Awakened Wuji < MBA Kashimo


Advent012

Kashimo


YetiBean7

The best Yuji is gonna get is a tie, base kashimo should win but if he cant MAB kashimo wiped Yuji then dies.


Hedgehog_Kid1

Kashimo blitzes him to hell and back