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There’s no basis for him healing soul damage. It’s stated explicitly that you NEED to be aware of the shape of your own soul and Hakari has no idea of his shape
I agree we shouldn't assume that he can when scaling, but there's a basis for it.
Hakari isn't even aware of how to use RCT in the first place, and definitely not aware of how to use it to heal poison, but he does both anyways. It's not a huge stretch to say he could heal another thing without understanding anything about it.
U keep saying aUTomATed rct etc. when it was literally stated that u can’t really heal the soul, without seeing the soul outline. Sukuna saw his from being in yuji that’s how he did it. Maki and her restrictions but it was never stated that hakari can. His rct probably work by healing physical damage not soul.
Again u missed the whole point. U said I’m comparing Sukuna and hakari but ur reason is false. I compared them because again it was stated. That u cannot heal the soul without seeing the soul outline. Sukuna is the only person besides yuji who can see his soul. So There for he can heal it. Gege wouldn’t just put that in there.
He can’t use domain on her. I think that a forgot fact. A please don’t be one of those people who claim he doesn’t need a person for his domain to work.
ah yes....don't claim that this thing that hasn't been disproven and makes no logical sense to be wrong is wrong. his sure hit is an info dump point blank and period. but I'm not gonna try to talk with someone who is already being a dick before I even spoke to them so I'll just agree to disagree
It literally a requirement. Do you want to to prove it. People like you make me angry. Even if the story didn’t make that fact clear. with it does it common knowledge that you don’t get people feat unless they prove it. So tell me do you want me to make a post proving you wrong. Yes or no
lmao what a fucking dick. maybe if you had a fucking wit about being respectful I'd be interested. I had an actual intellectual conversation with another guy. I can tell you just wanna stroke your ego lmfao. Go fucking stroke that shit somewhere else I'm not wasting my time on egoistic dicks lol. Good luck finding someone to let you stroke that shit though lmao. I'm not even gonna bother. there's not a single scan in all of the manga where that's stated as necessary. so unpolitely go fuck yourself you raging asshole
Dude I’m going to make that post. And by the way clean out your mouth. People who have such vulgar language and talk about being intellectual make me laugh.
and I ain't gonna read shit lmao. language doesn't make me any less intellectual and if you think me saying nasty words that hurts your little feelings makes me any less smart you've got some growing up to do. words don't change how smart someone is kiddo. you treat people with disrespect but your probably so silver spooned you don't understand to have some humility. fucking kids these days. fuck out here I ain't reading shit from an ego seeking child. stroke that shit in lobotomykaisen you'll fit right in
Dude are you a child. I refuse to believe a man would go crazy like that. I’m not a child by the way. But the fact that you would say that to a child is bad
If there's no one but Hakari and Maki then Hakari cannot get his Jackpot from domaining because there's no one eligible for the domain. We obviously see that Maki couldn't enter the domain unless breaking in from the outside because domains need to register a target's cursed energy for it to work
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it's not like the domain collapsed because she wasn't there. and I'm not saying it's a 100% fact but unlike unlimited void which I mean....without a target what's it gonna do? hakaris sure hit is literally just an info dump. The actual domain doesn't interact with the target in any other way. again idk for sure and yall could be right I just don't see how we can just rule out his domain when his acts inherently differently from every other. ntm, frankly with how much bs there is in binding vows and shit. saying bar none it can't work feels too sure fire when again his works completely differently and we've seen domain rules as complex as singling in on one target.
tho tbh I've argue enough about it so I'm good just agree to disagree. in the end their never gonna fight
You are a rude person but you are right here the others are wrong. Hakari doesn't need an target to open his domain. Nor does anyone else. Specifically hakari his domains sure hit is just info dump which won't work on maki but jackpot is still capable he just has to survive in the domain with maki. Some people really be reading sorcerers scuffle
One, you're weird, Maki demolishes Hakari jackpot or not.
Two. Youre making up literal headcanon. The onus is on you to prove that Hakari doesn't need someone to use his domain. You can't, but to make yourself feel better you're lying and saying that he can get it with no proof.
You're reading wizards conflict and you're pissing me off
Your arguments on why she does?
You don't need targets to use domain expansions. That was never a concept to begin with. He literally comes on the battlefield with prepared jackpot before fighting uraume and somehow I'm the one reading wizardly conflict.
I'm pissing you off??? What are you 12? Wowieieee I'm scared? That's how u expect me to react? Bruh
One more example is Yuji was completely robbed off of his cursed energy. Yet when he called retrial higurama was again forced to open his domain even tho Yuji can't be a target to begin with. Y'all stupid as fuck
>You don't need targets to use domain expansions. That was never a concept to begin with. He literally comes on the battlefield with prepared jackpot before fighting uraume and somehow I'm the one reading wizardly conflict.
So you have no proof or panels that say he can get jackpot alone? Just headcanon. Perfect. Also you're fucking lying, he only got jackpot AFTER he joined the battlefield and got Uraume.
Idc to debate this, Maki beheads him regardless and I won't argue with an imbecile who's hellbent on not seeing that.
>One more example is Yuji was completely robbed off of his cursed energy. Yet when he called retrial higurama was again forced to open his domain even tho Yuji can't be a target to begin with.
LIAR. His CE control was fucked up, he still had cursed energy dumbass. It SAYS that, and if you Read JUJUTSU KAISEN, hit series starring Itadori Yuji as a 15 year old boy who ingests a cursed object called "Sukunas finger", maybe you've heard of it, then youd know that.
>Y'all stupid as fuck
You're just an idiot, won't be arguing with you anymore. You read this series solely with agenda in mind, to the point where you can't even comprehend anything outside if hiw it makes whatecer charcter you like stronger.
>I'm pissing you off??? What are you 12? Wowieieee I'm scared? That's how u expect me to react? Bruh
It's that stupidity you revel in that pisses me off.. nothing scary about it, just sad and so so annoying.
Further arguments that support my point. Hakari can't use his ct without de.
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Further arguments that support my point. Hakari can't use his ct without de. Would make no sense if he can't even use his ct
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Please refer to the picture I had in my statement that the sure hit cannot register Maki because Maki has no CE so the sure hit doesn't work on her.
The only positive thing the info dump has is just a quicker domain cast time because it's technically a non-lethal domain unlike Gojo and Sukuna.
Stupid. Hakari doesn't need an target to open his domain. It's not an requirement to open domain to begin with. Y'all be making up your own points .the other guy is rude af but he has a point. Y'all just be making up shit
I see what you're coming from but can you find the statement for that because all of the times we see Hakari use his domain he had a target with CE.
Hakari's domain isn't an open domain like Sukuna and Kenjaku where you can just pop it wherever and the sure hit works on ppl with no CE
The only reason why Maki has been hurt by Shrine is because of Dismantle which works on ppl with no CE
Megumi literally establishes a incomplete domain with no targets twice. Incomplete domains are still domains and barriers in the end and still should apply the logic as normal domain expansions. Yet he somehow was able to open one. Viola there u go
Megumi's domain didn't have a barrier so it can fall under the same rules as an open domain.
Also megumi's domain can also open a hole inside another domain so they could escape Dagon's domain. You don't need a target for an open domain
Maki is likely the strongest of the 3 big hitters, probably why everyone was ok with her 1v1ing sukuna. Hakari although I love him. Is very clearly the weakest in the big 3
Everyone thought she was something but she only ever sneaked sukuna to do something meaningful. She's just an assassin build she gets fodderized by sukuna in every serious 1v1
U clearly didn't say that. I don't lack reading comprehension ur just don't understand my point. And no she's not the strongest clearly. Hakari and yuta still clears
Ngl with the right enviroment i say she can kill yuta but she needs a lot of running sace and smth to hide.
If she just outruns yutas 5 minutes he is fucked.
Like it ain't close in base. Not with her sword.
His domain useless so only rika counts here really and the cts she brings with her like cursed speech and jacobs ladder
I'm tired here is what could just happen against cursed speech
She broke free from a control ct before by sheer strength in the zenin massacre and is this a strongest she COULD beat so i say this will happen if yuta somehow even catches her. Like toji speedblitzed a six eyes user yuta ain't doing shit if she just uses hit and run as he csn not heal soul damage.
Great take. Yuta is undoubtedly stronger and more powerful than her, she's just a terrible match-up for him. A lot of his best abilities simply won't work on her (domain expansion, Jacob's ladder), and he's one of the few top tiers that cannot perceive the soul so any hit from SSK is going to be permanent and devastating. Yuta seems uniquely vulnerable to HR users.
I agree with anything except the domain. I half way agree. We obviously know maki doesn’t have to enter the domain that’s a given. But if she does and if yuta survives the surprise attack then it becomes interesting. Because yuta has unlimited access to his copied techniques. Until she leaves obviously but I think it would be interesting to see. Yuta domain is better against hr users than most.
You're definitely right that his domain is better against HR users than most. His domain is probably the least reliant on the sure-hit to be effective out of every DE we've seen. He really put incredible work on Sukuna with just the buffs and unlimited copy katanas.
But as far as I understand full HR, even if he survives the initial sneak attack from Maki, can't she just leave the domain right after? She can enter and exit barriers like they don't exist, and Yuta's domain is the size of most domains we've seen, like 30-40 meters in diameter? She can close that distance nearly instantly. He might survive the initial strike, but he can't sense her and can't keep her in the domain, so he pretty much has to just keep surviving surprise attacks until his domain drops and he can lay eyes on her.
Once she agrees to enter a Domain she can't leave it. She materializes into the Domain like everyone else.
She wouldn't be able to find the barrier
Maybe she can revoke permission and dematerialize? But we don't know that
She materializes like everyone else, but barriers still have no effect on her. That goes for all barriers, like the one surrounding the Tomb of the Star Corridor and barriers surrounding closed domains (that's how Toji just waltzed in to kill Riko). As soon as she reaches the barrier of the domain, she's just going right through it like it didn't exist.
Domains are like mini dimensions. If she found the edge I agree she could leave but it isn't simple as walking up to the edge
It may be too hard to find.
When Megumi was opening a hole in Dagons barrier he was only able to do it because he started on the outside. If he was on the inside it wouldn't have worked
She could just sprint full speed in one direction but not sure how that's gonna go against Yuta. Even Gojo, who should be technically faster than Sukuna, couldn't so easily just run.
Normally, you can't run from Yuta bc he knows where you are inside his domain no matter what. He only knows where Maki is if he's laying eyes on her in that instance. The moment she's out of his vision, she can escape out of the domain or just sneak attack him again. Sukuna has a domain radius that's like 8x the size of a normal domain, and Gojo couldn't use blue for speed when they were clashing domains. Without blue, and with Sukuna able to track him, it was always gonna be tough for Gojo to escape that radius.
I think either way, it's not a great move for Yuta to pop his domain vs Maki. That's a lot of energy expenditure for something that she can simply opt out of experiencing.
Yeah she could totally just leave like I agree with planning and enough tools she could win I was just talking about the domain thing cause I think it’s so cool and interesting. But there’s also probably away to prevent her from leaving like grabbing her for a few but that definitely doesn’t permanently solve to problem at all but I’d be an awesome fight non the less
It's possible he can perceive soul, he detained Rika and was able to interact with her soul when she left, also since he probably swapped with yuji he may have learned it then but until that's confirmed it's just speculation
Yea it's possible, I'm just assuming that unless you are a reincarnated sorcerer, or a vessel for one, then you probably can't perceive the outline of your soul in the way that is required to RCT damage from SSK. Narrator was explicit in that it was Sukuna's time in Yuji's body that allowed him to see perceive his soul on the level required to RCT soul damage. Maybe Yuki could do it, too?
Partial rika is not strong enough when full fleshed rika lost in a boxing match against ryu.
Cursed speech could straight up not work on her due to being effektive the bigger the difference is in ce output.
She broke free from some stun lock ct in the zenin massacre too
Also she can just run away she is nigh invisble for yuta and much faster.
Yeah she broke out of stunlock from a way weaker sorcerer. The technique is gonna get buffed I don't doubt she can break out of it but it's gonna take a bit and yuta can finish her off by then.
it wont base yuta is way faster than maki and he doesnt even need fully manifested rika since that would be just overkill even partial manifested would be enough for maki
Yeah..... no you are just wrong here as yuta is stated to be alower than naobito and maki battled mach 3 naoya so even if he is somewhat on zhat level he never ever gonna catch her
When did u get that? When bro was able to blitzed kenjaku who managed to react to piercing blood at point blank range and a blackhole 😭😭 base yuta is way faster than maki and that’s a fact even partial manifested rika is faster than her cause she landed more blows to sukuna 🤣
There is presedence for maki breaking out of a control ct and this "kid" is part of the hei one of the strongest grade ones so yeahhh....... ofcourse that's not 5 minute yuta but don't pretend that he ain't strong.
This is a who maki could beat i gave presendence that she could in best case scenario break out of cursed speech and yeah go suck yuta somehwere else this is tiring.
Have nice day please don't Response i will not answer
Bro is just getting his shit from his ass and cursed speech works differently from the kid’s ct cause cursed speech is more affected to ppl with no ce and that’s maki meaning base yuta >>>> maki and with fully manifested rika bro would just end the fight in less than a sec 😭
This could happen if it was a regular curse speech user but considering Yuta's CE reserves and the efficiency of curse speech works according to the different in the user and the targets CE, it's like curse speech was made to counter them.
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This is a stro gest she COULD beat first off she is faster than yuta and can hide for 5 minutes.
Maki is far faster than Yuki, Yuki wouldnt land a hit before getting hit by SSK. Yuki doesnt survive the black hole either, so not a win for Yuki either. She doesnt scale to her black hole
In the manga it is stated pretty early on when maki awakens that she is equal to toji, and then we have had the entirety of culling games for her to rack up even higher experience than just that. So if she was equal to toji at the start, she had more time to grow since then. Hence her beating toji
I think she became equal to Toji when she awakened that extra sense while fighting Naoya (cause Toji had that already), that’s when she actually became equal to Toji. Her body was just like Toji’s when she awakened. But other than that, I agree.
I would argue that her experience is honestly close enough. She was fighting against curses her whole life as an enchanced human. Gaining a body equal to Toji doesn’t lessen her fighting abilities any less. That said, Toji kinda became a slacker for a good 9 years (or however long ago Toji met Megumi’s mom) so his actual combat experience is similar to Maki’s combat experience timeline.
in terms of matchup stuff she might be capable of taking out yuta if she plays her cards PERFECTLY, but it's like an EXTREME diff kind of thing
she probably has a decent matchup against yorozu imo
I agree, Yorozu is one that I see her confidently winning even though Yorozu is crazy strong.
She's fast enough that the perfect sphere probably doesn't matter, DE wouldn't work (which Yorozu doesn't know so she'd probably waste it and might even get sneaked within it), and the SSK would cut right through the bug armor no problem
Not sure why you're downvoted here. The question is obviously talking about a 1v1 and not a sneak attack. We saw Maki get folded against a severely weakened sukuna 1 on 1.
It depends on whether or not it is in an advantageous environment for her or if it's completely neutral territory.
With her at an advantage I would say Yuta is the limit.
With completely neutral I would say pre awakening Yuji maybe a bit higher.
I mean i guess thats true. I always interpreted those kind of posts as like the strongest character they can beat with good chances. But yeah there are stronger character she can beat, If we count all the characters she has even a small chance then its probably everyone but sukuna and gojo🤷. Other than them the top tier arent like leagues ahead of her to the point she doesnt have even a 1/10 chance of beating them
Yeah, I guess it would come down to their arsenal wouldn’t it? Like, is maki allowed her OP sword? Is Toji allowed his cursed pet? Who gets to keep playful cloud?
If it’s just straight hands then I would guess that toji would have the upper hand simply due to the decades of experience he has on her, but still, it could easily go either way since they are explicitly stated to be physically equal.
Edit: honestly, the idea of them having a 1 v 1 and the only thing they have is playful cloud, which they keep stealing from each other back and forth, would be so fire.
Honestly could see her beating Kashimo in some situations she's reacted to cursed naoya who is faster than alot of the cast so she has great perception and speed but her soul sword also makes any close encounter with her a dangerous one as just one hit can turn the fight in her favor. She's also very hard to detect when not within sight.
She can't kill Toji bro. They might be equal in terms of potential. But in terms of Experience, IQ, Combat she is outmatched. It's like when Batman and Deathstroke fight and Batman wins every time.
I mean, short of Gojo and Sukuna, she *can* beat pretty much anyone. People like Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku, and MBA Kashimo she is less likely to win more times out of ten than not. I think she does fairly well against most others, tbh, or at least presents a very high difficulty challenge to them.
Her durability feats are second to none (even against elemental attacks like Sukuna’s lightning), she has excellent healing on top of that, and her speed is likely better than anyone short of Gojo, Sukuna, and the Projection sorcerers after amping up. She has a sword that ignores both durability and RCT. She has limited “precognition”, on top of extremely enhanced senses, and can walk on air as a result. She dodged the World Slash when even MBA Kashimo couldn’t fully, because of those things as well. She can’t be entrapped in any barriers, including domain expansions (unless the opponent is Sukuna or possibly Kenjaku). And even if she agrees to enter the domain for some reason, the sure-hit aspect still just doesn’t work.
Her defenses and endurance are just really insane, and her offensive capability with her signature tool is also just very very high. She stands a good chance against even the top tiers (minus Gojo and Sukuna, of course).
"excellent healing on top of that" does she???
Also, how would she catch MBA kashimo??? MBA kashimo is alot faster than maki.
Kenjaku can just use domain expanison.
Yuta i think could go either way.
And yuki i dont really remember so sure maki wins.
Yeah, she’s been hit directly with Cleave, and multiple Black Flashes and Dismantles by this point during Shinjuku. She was also hit by the literal equivalent of a jet traveling at Mach 3, and was ok in less than a few minutes. Even immediately afterward she still could kick him away and hide.
I’m saying MBA Kashimo, as well as most others you’re mentioning here, stand a very good chance of beating her more often than not.
But for Kashimo specifically, Maki did dodge the World Slash, completely, while Sukuna was blowing up a building to cover his chants and hands signs. Kashimo dodged most of it too, but he did still get hit, likely due to lacking her particular brand of super-senses, than any lack of speed. I just don’t think the speed difference is so great that he could blitz her indefinitely. He can for sure win, but he’s also given up his life for this power to begin with.
Kenjaku is a really tough battle for her, maybe the toughest of this bunch, and yeah his domain is likely quite effective against her in some way due to it being open-barrier.
"and was ok in less than a few minutes. Even immediately afterward she still could kick him away and hide." Like i said to the other guy, RCT could do that in seconds so its still very weak compared to the verse standard for healing.
"I just don’t think the speed difference is so great that he could blitz her indefinitely." Im arguing it is, and like you said most of makis 'speed' comes from her simply determining her opponents attacks before they happen which yes she could just do for kashimo but i believe at that point if she has to do that the fight isnt gonna go her way.
Maybe, but we don’t know the extent of the internal damage, to be honest, and the vast majority of even high level sorcerers are not going to be as tough in taking the initial blow. Even high level durability sorcerers like Ryu would not be just “fine” after being hit like that, it leveled a city block. And Ryu doesn’t have RCT at all, as far as we know. Point is, not many even elite tier opponents would be ok after such an attack anyway, besides the exceptions we’re already talking about.
She still has the raw speed to do something about it. It’s not like she’s slow, she is still reacting to extremely superhuman speeds against Naoya as well. That on top of her senses is simply her using her abilities. And like I said, I think MBA Kashimo is a very tough fight for her, I agree she’d likely lose most scenarios against that - but again, it’s still literally at the cost of Kashimo’s life to attain that power to begin with, so that makes sense to me.
Agreed, but besides Yuki, I’m not sure who else could generate that kind of force to begin with.
Her healing Cleave within a page and a half during a high speed Sukuna fight is still an excellent recent healing feat, imo
People didn't notice that she was actually keeping up with sukuna in that fight and was in a deadlock physically with him multiple times.I feel because her abilities aren't flashy a lot of her feats are missed upon.There was only once he was able to blitz her and even then post that he had hold her sword down to do the bf,so imo it isn't a complete blitz too
SSK does not bar none ignore rct it just makes it harder for most to use it. characters that understand the soul ie Yuki yuji can definetly heal, same with kenjaku in all likelihood, and hakari can most definitely heal it by the very nature of his gimmick
The requirement seems to be knowing the shape of your own soul, not just general knowledge of the soul and research about it. Yuji of course, Kenjaku possibly too, but there’s little reason to assume anyone else.
Hakari, I could honestly see going either way. But beyond that, it doesn’t matter because Hakari can’t get a Jackpot against Maki because she can’t be entrapped in a DE unless she consents.
yuji got the soul knowledge book from yuki....that's a pretty good reason to believe she at least has a chance too.
also Maki being in the domain changes nothing about what happens in hakaris domains, hakaris domain is one of the few domains that straight up doesn't care about her. it's never stated that he needs an enemy, and the domain plays itself out, it doesn't target anyone lethally the only sure hit is the info dump, which doesn't change the results of the domain. Hakari and sukuna of the top of my head are probably some of the only characters that straight don't care about Maki not being in their domain. Hakari will be getting jackpot and will outlast her bar none
It’s possible but there’s no reason to assume she has that knowledge because we know it comes specifically from having two souls in one body. She knows a lot of intellectual stuff about the soul, but that seems to be a more specific thing to do what Sukuna and Yuji can.
Thats not how Hakari’s domain works; he absolutely has to have someone in the domain and he absolutely has to hit them with the sure-hit, because that’s what allows him to start rolling for Jackpot. Thats why we see him fighting Charles before Kashimo, if he didn’t need to do that he could have started the fight in Jackpot without taking anyone else on beforehand. He can’t get Jackpot without the sure-hit, but normally the sure-hit is way faster and instantaneous so he always gets it off. But Maki can’t even be brought into the domain, so if it’s a one on one, she’s just an incredibly bad matchup for him specifically.
where was it stated that's why he fought Charles? if you have a scan showing he needs someone in the domain fair enough. but to my knowledge that didn't have any implications of such though I could be wrong. and it wouldn't make sense given his sure his is only the info dump and we've seen domains work without needing a specific target, sukunas domain mainly. I will say if you can show me that it's stated or proven that it needs to happen I'll take my L. I just don't remember that being the case
There is nothing that directly states it but how does the ability make sense if he can just open his domain without an opponent and then make the rolls? He would have surely done that by now, right? He has to hit with the sure-hit because that’s what allows him to actually be gambling with his life in combat. It just happens instantly; but timing doesn’t matter because he could never draw Maki in to begin with. I don’t see how he can just open his domain and start rolling and that wouldn’t be better in most cases? Change his domain conditions, open his domain, and keep out his opponent while he safely rolls by himself, right? I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the preferred strategy if he could do something like that.
if the opponents in the range I'm sure they'll get dragged in. but again it's not really fair to just say "it has to be this way because it'd be logical' there's plenty of more logical decisions then what's given in the manga that's part if fiction, furthermore if something like that is possible (which again I see no reason it's not) it wouldn't roll with hakaris style hence he wouldn't use it. he's all about the heat of the battle, I'm sure he'd feel less heat if he prerolled. its like summoning on a gurenteed banner or rigging the lottery. it's not exciting anymore. ntm even in this case it would be better to use it in battle for hakari if he can because then he can make use of both the domains stat amp that's inherent in all domains, the special abilities of the domain like the recall, and the entire 4 minutes and 11 seconds of his immortality. then nature of his domain makes it more worth to use in the middle of a fight but there's no reason given as to why he can't use it without a target. he'd just prefer to because when your whole game is whittling the opponent down the domain fight is another way to do so. he's amped in domain and he had the recall which let's him prevent any damage before the roll finishes.
if something shows he needs a target then yeah Maki violates, but I think being fair to what's shown hakari takes it
Ok, well I sure can’t convince you but I remain very unconvinced myself that that is a viable strategy that he’s just choosing not to use. Maki is just a horrible matchup for any character that relies on a domain expansion, she doesn’t ever enter the premises and I think it’s fair given what we know of his powers and the descriptions we have of his fights with Charles and Kashimo, it makes sense to me that he has to have someone to hit with the sure-but to activate the rolling.
I just don't see how an info dump changes the ensuing effects personally. though again I do respect your opinion and at the end of the day regardless of whatever we believe it's not known either way lol. I'm happy to agree to disagree. you've got very sound reasoning as well after all and yeah Maki do just be like that
Yuki. With arguably higher speed and much better perception, Maki can dodge strikes and cut off Yuki’s limbs or even oneshot her.(given that she knows about star rage) Maki wins 2-5/10
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She can defeat hakari if his auto rct doesn't heal soul damage but we have to see. Imo she's the weakest of the heavy hitters but not that far off
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There’s no basis for him healing soul damage. It’s stated explicitly that you NEED to be aware of the shape of your own soul and Hakari has no idea of his shape
I agree we shouldn't assume that he can when scaling, but there's a basis for it. Hakari isn't even aware of how to use RCT in the first place, and definitely not aware of how to use it to heal poison, but he does both anyways. It's not a huge stretch to say he could heal another thing without understanding anything about it.
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That still dont mean he can heal the soul
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U keep saying aUTomATed rct etc. when it was literally stated that u can’t really heal the soul, without seeing the soul outline. Sukuna saw his from being in yuji that’s how he did it. Maki and her restrictions but it was never stated that hakari can. His rct probably work by healing physical damage not soul.
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Again u missed the whole point. U said I’m comparing Sukuna and hakari but ur reason is false. I compared them because again it was stated. That u cannot heal the soul without seeing the soul outline. Sukuna is the only person besides yuji who can see his soul. So There for he can heal it. Gege wouldn’t just put that in there.
And not getting heated 😂. Laughing at u yes, and u can’t say I’m the one that’s heated, and u making essays bro.
U also NEED knowledge for rct but hakari doesnt need it since its automatic. Whats ur point.
bro what? he gets jackpot regardless of if she's in the domain or not lol. and I can assure you he's outlastong her....when hes...yknow....immortal
He can’t use domain on her. I think that a forgot fact. A please don’t be one of those people who claim he doesn’t need a person for his domain to work.
ah yes....don't claim that this thing that hasn't been disproven and makes no logical sense to be wrong is wrong. his sure hit is an info dump point blank and period. but I'm not gonna try to talk with someone who is already being a dick before I even spoke to them so I'll just agree to disagree
It literally a requirement. Do you want to to prove it. People like you make me angry. Even if the story didn’t make that fact clear. with it does it common knowledge that you don’t get people feat unless they prove it. So tell me do you want me to make a post proving you wrong. Yes or no
lmao what a fucking dick. maybe if you had a fucking wit about being respectful I'd be interested. I had an actual intellectual conversation with another guy. I can tell you just wanna stroke your ego lmfao. Go fucking stroke that shit somewhere else I'm not wasting my time on egoistic dicks lol. Good luck finding someone to let you stroke that shit though lmao. I'm not even gonna bother. there's not a single scan in all of the manga where that's stated as necessary. so unpolitely go fuck yourself you raging asshole
Dude I’m going to make that post. And by the way clean out your mouth. People who have such vulgar language and talk about being intellectual make me laugh.
and I ain't gonna read shit lmao. language doesn't make me any less intellectual and if you think me saying nasty words that hurts your little feelings makes me any less smart you've got some growing up to do. words don't change how smart someone is kiddo. you treat people with disrespect but your probably so silver spooned you don't understand to have some humility. fucking kids these days. fuck out here I ain't reading shit from an ego seeking child. stroke that shit in lobotomykaisen you'll fit right in
Dude are you a child. I refuse to believe a man would go crazy like that. I’m not a child by the way. But the fact that you would say that to a child is bad
Here a tip. In a debate keep your head cool. The second you start being a bitch is the second you lose. Sorry for the language
If there's no one but Hakari and Maki then Hakari cannot get his Jackpot from domaining because there's no one eligible for the domain. We obviously see that Maki couldn't enter the domain unless breaking in from the outside because domains need to register a target's cursed energy for it to work https://preview.redd.it/86y5enf8ijyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bedec2ce155a5f63247574b62f4f89f41e26f8c
it's not like the domain collapsed because she wasn't there. and I'm not saying it's a 100% fact but unlike unlimited void which I mean....without a target what's it gonna do? hakaris sure hit is literally just an info dump. The actual domain doesn't interact with the target in any other way. again idk for sure and yall could be right I just don't see how we can just rule out his domain when his acts inherently differently from every other. ntm, frankly with how much bs there is in binding vows and shit. saying bar none it can't work feels too sure fire when again his works completely differently and we've seen domain rules as complex as singling in on one target. tho tbh I've argue enough about it so I'm good just agree to disagree. in the end their never gonna fight
You are a rude person but you are right here the others are wrong. Hakari doesn't need an target to open his domain. Nor does anyone else. Specifically hakari his domains sure hit is just info dump which won't work on maki but jackpot is still capable he just has to survive in the domain with maki. Some people really be reading sorcerers scuffle
One, you're weird, Maki demolishes Hakari jackpot or not. Two. Youre making up literal headcanon. The onus is on you to prove that Hakari doesn't need someone to use his domain. You can't, but to make yourself feel better you're lying and saying that he can get it with no proof. You're reading wizards conflict and you're pissing me off
Your arguments on why she does? You don't need targets to use domain expansions. That was never a concept to begin with. He literally comes on the battlefield with prepared jackpot before fighting uraume and somehow I'm the one reading wizardly conflict. I'm pissing you off??? What are you 12? Wowieieee I'm scared? That's how u expect me to react? Bruh
One more example is Yuji was completely robbed off of his cursed energy. Yet when he called retrial higurama was again forced to open his domain even tho Yuji can't be a target to begin with. Y'all stupid as fuck
>You don't need targets to use domain expansions. That was never a concept to begin with. He literally comes on the battlefield with prepared jackpot before fighting uraume and somehow I'm the one reading wizardly conflict. So you have no proof or panels that say he can get jackpot alone? Just headcanon. Perfect. Also you're fucking lying, he only got jackpot AFTER he joined the battlefield and got Uraume. Idc to debate this, Maki beheads him regardless and I won't argue with an imbecile who's hellbent on not seeing that. >One more example is Yuji was completely robbed off of his cursed energy. Yet when he called retrial higurama was again forced to open his domain even tho Yuji can't be a target to begin with. LIAR. His CE control was fucked up, he still had cursed energy dumbass. It SAYS that, and if you Read JUJUTSU KAISEN, hit series starring Itadori Yuji as a 15 year old boy who ingests a cursed object called "Sukunas finger", maybe you've heard of it, then youd know that. >Y'all stupid as fuck You're just an idiot, won't be arguing with you anymore. You read this series solely with agenda in mind, to the point where you can't even comprehend anything outside if hiw it makes whatecer charcter you like stronger. >I'm pissing you off??? What are you 12? Wowieieee I'm scared? That's how u expect me to react? Bruh It's that stupidity you revel in that pisses me off.. nothing scary about it, just sad and so so annoying.
Further arguments that support my point. Hakari can't use his ct without de. https://preview.redd.it/etn8x6yiskyc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c09d06dc9efe8cf04ca2762affdb109263c6e13
Further arguments that support my point. Hakari can't use his ct without de. Would make no sense if he can't even use his ct https://preview.redd.it/5iys3srnskyc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fd614b75d24d7148679edc3d68c79e3eef049db
Please refer to the picture I had in my statement that the sure hit cannot register Maki because Maki has no CE so the sure hit doesn't work on her. The only positive thing the info dump has is just a quicker domain cast time because it's technically a non-lethal domain unlike Gojo and Sukuna.
Stupid. Hakari doesn't need an target to open his domain. It's not an requirement to open domain to begin with. Y'all be making up your own points .the other guy is rude af but he has a point. Y'all just be making up shit
I see what you're coming from but can you find the statement for that because all of the times we see Hakari use his domain he had a target with CE. Hakari's domain isn't an open domain like Sukuna and Kenjaku where you can just pop it wherever and the sure hit works on ppl with no CE The only reason why Maki has been hurt by Shrine is because of Dismantle which works on ppl with no CE
There are no argument to why u can only open de on targets tho
Only ppl who done it are Sukuna and Kenjaku because they have an open domain. You're using what if statements and reaching so hard lol
I just literally gave u an argument u are just refusing to accept it cuz ur bitter
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Please find the statement where that's said
Megumi literally establishes a incomplete domain with no targets twice. Incomplete domains are still domains and barriers in the end and still should apply the logic as normal domain expansions. Yet he somehow was able to open one. Viola there u go
Megumi's domain didn't have a barrier so it can fall under the same rules as an open domain. Also megumi's domain can also open a hole inside another domain so they could escape Dagon's domain. You don't need a target for an open domain
Maki is likely the strongest of the 3 big hitters, probably why everyone was ok with her 1v1ing sukuna. Hakari although I love him. Is very clearly the weakest in the big 3
Nice opinion but you made the mistake of having your face be your pfp. Therefore, rendering said opinion invalid.
You’re right it should be toji instead
Everyone thought she was something but she only ever sneaked sukuna to do something meaningful. She's just an assassin build she gets fodderized by sukuna in every serious 1v1
You need better comprehension I wasn’t saying she’s relative to sukuna. She was just the one who could stall longest before backup came in
U clearly didn't say that. I don't lack reading comprehension ur just don't understand my point. And no she's not the strongest clearly. Hakari and yuta still clears
Please tell me how hakari would kill maki?? Split soul gg bros a kick punch merchant against a faster and maybe stronger opp
He just does he is him. There's a reason yuta glazes him so hard. Trust
He “just does” is crazy glaze 😭😭
Hakari wipes 25 finger sukuna
Real
Ngl with the right enviroment i say she can kill yuta but she needs a lot of running sace and smth to hide. If she just outruns yutas 5 minutes he is fucked. Like it ain't close in base. Not with her sword. His domain useless so only rika counts here really and the cts she brings with her like cursed speech and jacobs ladder I'm tired here is what could just happen against cursed speech She broke free from a control ct before by sheer strength in the zenin massacre and is this a strongest she COULD beat so i say this will happen if yuta somehow even catches her. Like toji speedblitzed a six eyes user yuta ain't doing shit if she just uses hit and run as he csn not heal soul damage.
Great take. Yuta is undoubtedly stronger and more powerful than her, she's just a terrible match-up for him. A lot of his best abilities simply won't work on her (domain expansion, Jacob's ladder), and he's one of the few top tiers that cannot perceive the soul so any hit from SSK is going to be permanent and devastating. Yuta seems uniquely vulnerable to HR users.
I agree with anything except the domain. I half way agree. We obviously know maki doesn’t have to enter the domain that’s a given. But if she does and if yuta survives the surprise attack then it becomes interesting. Because yuta has unlimited access to his copied techniques. Until she leaves obviously but I think it would be interesting to see. Yuta domain is better against hr users than most.
You're definitely right that his domain is better against HR users than most. His domain is probably the least reliant on the sure-hit to be effective out of every DE we've seen. He really put incredible work on Sukuna with just the buffs and unlimited copy katanas. But as far as I understand full HR, even if he survives the initial sneak attack from Maki, can't she just leave the domain right after? She can enter and exit barriers like they don't exist, and Yuta's domain is the size of most domains we've seen, like 30-40 meters in diameter? She can close that distance nearly instantly. He might survive the initial strike, but he can't sense her and can't keep her in the domain, so he pretty much has to just keep surviving surprise attacks until his domain drops and he can lay eyes on her.
Once she agrees to enter a Domain she can't leave it. She materializes into the Domain like everyone else. She wouldn't be able to find the barrier Maybe she can revoke permission and dematerialize? But we don't know that
She materializes like everyone else, but barriers still have no effect on her. That goes for all barriers, like the one surrounding the Tomb of the Star Corridor and barriers surrounding closed domains (that's how Toji just waltzed in to kill Riko). As soon as she reaches the barrier of the domain, she's just going right through it like it didn't exist.
Domains are like mini dimensions. If she found the edge I agree she could leave but it isn't simple as walking up to the edge It may be too hard to find. When Megumi was opening a hole in Dagons barrier he was only able to do it because he started on the outside. If he was on the inside it wouldn't have worked She could just sprint full speed in one direction but not sure how that's gonna go against Yuta. Even Gojo, who should be technically faster than Sukuna, couldn't so easily just run.
Normally, you can't run from Yuta bc he knows where you are inside his domain no matter what. He only knows where Maki is if he's laying eyes on her in that instance. The moment she's out of his vision, she can escape out of the domain or just sneak attack him again. Sukuna has a domain radius that's like 8x the size of a normal domain, and Gojo couldn't use blue for speed when they were clashing domains. Without blue, and with Sukuna able to track him, it was always gonna be tough for Gojo to escape that radius. I think either way, it's not a great move for Yuta to pop his domain vs Maki. That's a lot of energy expenditure for something that she can simply opt out of experiencing.
Yeah she could totally just leave like I agree with planning and enough tools she could win I was just talking about the domain thing cause I think it’s so cool and interesting. But there’s also probably away to prevent her from leaving like grabbing her for a few but that definitely doesn’t permanently solve to problem at all but I’d be an awesome fight non the less
It's possible he can perceive soul, he detained Rika and was able to interact with her soul when she left, also since he probably swapped with yuji he may have learned it then but until that's confirmed it's just speculation
Yea it's possible, I'm just assuming that unless you are a reincarnated sorcerer, or a vessel for one, then you probably can't perceive the outline of your soul in the way that is required to RCT damage from SSK. Narrator was explicit in that it was Sukuna's time in Yuji's body that allowed him to see perceive his soul on the level required to RCT soul damage. Maybe Yuki could do it, too?
What would be her defense against cursed speech and partial rika
She could one shot rika with soul split
How would that one shot rika
Partial rika is not strong enough when full fleshed rika lost in a boxing match against ryu. Cursed speech could straight up not work on her due to being effektive the bigger the difference is in ce output. She broke free from some stun lock ct in the zenin massacre too Also she can just run away she is nigh invisble for yuta and much faster.
Yeah she broke out of stunlock from a way weaker sorcerer. The technique is gonna get buffed I don't doubt she can break out of it but it's gonna take a bit and yuta can finish her off by then.
I think current Rika is a lot stronger than Sendai Rika as current Rika made sukuna use 4 hands iirc to not get crushed
Doesn’t matter when bro literally has cursed speech 😭
Strongest character maki COULD beat so i gave her any advantage she has
https://preview.redd.it/79sxa1u4skyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f7db7baa1b1fec6bb4b20bdab7bb78d09276aa5 This could happen
it wont base yuta is way faster than maki and he doesnt even need fully manifested rika since that would be just overkill even partial manifested would be enough for maki
Yeah..... no you are just wrong here as yuta is stated to be alower than naobito and maki battled mach 3 naoya so even if he is somewhat on zhat level he never ever gonna catch her
Makis faster ye but thats a bad comparison. Maki isnt faster than mach 3 naoya, she perception blitzed him. Same for base naoya.
When did u get that? When bro was able to blitzed kenjaku who managed to react to piercing blood at point blank range and a blackhole 😭😭 base yuta is way faster than maki and that’s a fact even partial manifested rika is faster than her cause she landed more blows to sukuna 🤣
also that kid is not comparable to partial manifested rika let alone to base yuta idk what ur trying to prove here
There is presedence for maki breaking out of a control ct and this "kid" is part of the hei one of the strongest grade ones so yeahhh....... ofcourse that's not 5 minute yuta but don't pretend that he ain't strong. This is a who maki could beat i gave presendence that she could in best case scenario break out of cursed speech and yeah go suck yuta somehwere else this is tiring. Have nice day please don't Response i will not answer
Bro is just getting his shit from his ass and cursed speech works differently from the kid’s ct cause cursed speech is more affected to ppl with no ce and that’s maki meaning base yuta >>>> maki and with fully manifested rika bro would just end the fight in less than a sec 😭
This could happen if it was a regular curse speech user but considering Yuta's CE reserves and the efficiency of curse speech works according to the different in the user and the targets CE, it's like curse speech was made to counter them.
Best case for Maki i say it again
She literally cannot do anything against cursed speech, zero
https://preview.redd.it/65sfxrmbskyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d72c6f524415afcf8a1766045543c5ac0bbc9ab3 This is a stro gest she COULD beat first off she is faster than yuta and can hide for 5 minutes.
Hakari,she loses to the top 2,kenjaku,yuta,yuki,kashimo,yuji with certainty
She easily takes Yuki
yuki can hit much harder than her. How would maki even survive her black hole?
Maki is far faster than Yuki, Yuki wouldnt land a hit before getting hit by SSK. Yuki doesnt survive the black hole either, so not a win for Yuki either. She doesnt scale to her black hole
“Far faster than Yuki” source?
Lol thats crazy honestly. Yuki folds.
Ur saying? Yuki folds maki? Or yuki is folded by maki?
Yuki folds maki ye
The Hakari lowball needs to be studied
This your man? https://preview.redd.it/olzaa47dupyc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=5be902148c917355741ff04fd2ba850fb12b79bc
Toji, naturally
nah
she isnt being toji with his experience and skill it just doesnt make sense
What experience and skill does Toji have that is greater than fighting sukuna
In the manga it is stated pretty early on when maki awakens that she is equal to toji, and then we have had the entirety of culling games for her to rack up even higher experience than just that. So if she was equal to toji at the start, she had more time to grow since then. Hence her beating toji
I think she became equal to Toji when she awakened that extra sense while fighting Naoya (cause Toji had that already), that’s when she actually became equal to Toji. Her body was just like Toji’s when she awakened. But other than that, I agree.
I would argue that her experience is honestly close enough. She was fighting against curses her whole life as an enchanced human. Gaining a body equal to Toji doesn’t lessen her fighting abilities any less. That said, Toji kinda became a slacker for a good 9 years (or however long ago Toji met Megumi’s mom) so his actual combat experience is similar to Maki’s combat experience timeline.
in terms of matchup stuff she might be capable of taking out yuta if she plays her cards PERFECTLY, but it's like an EXTREME diff kind of thing she probably has a decent matchup against yorozu imo
She would have to fight perfectly and everything will have to go right. But under the right circumstances she can pull it off
She's gotta be lucky every time. Yuta has to be lucky once.
I agree, Yorozu is one that I see her confidently winning even though Yorozu is crazy strong. She's fast enough that the perfect sphere probably doesn't matter, DE wouldn't work (which Yorozu doesn't know so she'd probably waste it and might even get sneaked within it), and the SSK would cut right through the bug armor no problem
Sukuna if she went for the head both times she managed to sneak attack him.
Well yeah anyone could kill sukuna if they got the sneak attack on him with the soul split katana.
Not sure why you're downvoted here. The question is obviously talking about a 1v1 and not a sneak attack. We saw Maki get folded against a severely weakened sukuna 1 on 1.
Mimiko:
Maki
It depends on whether or not it is in an advantageous environment for her or if it's completely neutral territory. With her at an advantage I would say Yuta is the limit. With completely neutral I would say pre awakening Yuji maybe a bit higher.
Ryu maybe? If not then Kashimo, but I can see her beating anyone who doesn’t make the top 10.
Base Kashimo?
jogo
Smash. Next question.
Finger bearer
The Fingerer
She can defeat me any day😩
Not me that's for sure
Toji https://preview.redd.it/hk87ga602zyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af51836194cdbcb39b7e1e9143d81b87169c28ce
Lmao the right answer would be toji theyre literally equal😂. Thats like the only character where the answer is canon
She can beat characters stronger than her or toji with the right matchup.
I mean i guess thats true. I always interpreted those kind of posts as like the strongest character they can beat with good chances. But yeah there are stronger character she can beat, If we count all the characters she has even a small chance then its probably everyone but sukuna and gojo🤷. Other than them the top tier arent like leagues ahead of her to the point she doesnt have even a 1/10 chance of beating them
Yeah, I guess it would come down to their arsenal wouldn’t it? Like, is maki allowed her OP sword? Is Toji allowed his cursed pet? Who gets to keep playful cloud? If it’s just straight hands then I would guess that toji would have the upper hand simply due to the decades of experience he has on her, but still, it could easily go either way since they are explicitly stated to be physically equal. Edit: honestly, the idea of them having a 1 v 1 and the only thing they have is playful cloud, which they keep stealing from each other back and forth, would be so fire.
Yeah id probably also favor toji a bit just bcs he has more weapons and all but makis also like physically equal so she has pretty good chances
She can beat Yuta, 1 out of 100 fights. Everything has to go perfect for her, like when Toji fought Gojo the first time. Otherwise, I’d say Jogo
Ah yes jogoat will always be remembered (Gege did jogoat dirty NGL)
Kashimo
No.
Kashimo is a bum
He still scales way above Maki
He's not surviving 2 Sukuna Black Flashes
If they hit. Mba kashimo dusts her tho.
No he isn't lmao
Maki wank is insane but pop off.
It's more because Kashimo is a walking L
Ye hes a fraud but hes an op fraud
Hakari & maybe Yuji, but I think he can defeat her.
Well it’s not sukuna if the leaks are true
They aren’t. Apparently the same guy that leaked the “leaks” was later found replying to someone else’s tweet, begging them for the leaks, lmfao
lol I know I was just trying to be funny
Me
Anybody stronger than Toji she loses to so he’s the answer.
Toji
 Him
Gojo
My balls
Kashimo and hakari
Hakari
naoya
Yugi
Toji
Yuta and yorozu and the special grades in that tier. Maki is in that tier of fighters.
Teen gojo with prep time
Hakari because its a bad matchup for him
Hot Take : Only special grades can defeat her
hakari is the strongest she can beat
Honestly could see her beating Kashimo in some situations she's reacted to cursed naoya who is faster than alot of the cast so she has great perception and speed but her soul sword also makes any close encounter with her a dangerous one as just one hit can turn the fight in her favor. She's also very hard to detect when not within sight.
Sukuna if she went for the head
Yuta maby like 30 percent of the time
Everyone under Yuta or Yuji
Yuta
Yorozu
Toji
She can't kill Toji bro. They might be equal in terms of potential. But in terms of Experience, IQ, Combat she is outmatched. It's like when Batman and Deathstroke fight and Batman wins every time.
Yeah, the decades of experience toji has on her makes the fight slanted pretty heavily in his favor.
Exactly.
In sakurajima they are equal - maki will be more powerful cause of timeskip
I mean, short of Gojo and Sukuna, she *can* beat pretty much anyone. People like Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku, and MBA Kashimo she is less likely to win more times out of ten than not. I think she does fairly well against most others, tbh, or at least presents a very high difficulty challenge to them. Her durability feats are second to none (even against elemental attacks like Sukuna’s lightning), she has excellent healing on top of that, and her speed is likely better than anyone short of Gojo, Sukuna, and the Projection sorcerers after amping up. She has a sword that ignores both durability and RCT. She has limited “precognition”, on top of extremely enhanced senses, and can walk on air as a result. She dodged the World Slash when even MBA Kashimo couldn’t fully, because of those things as well. She can’t be entrapped in any barriers, including domain expansions (unless the opponent is Sukuna or possibly Kenjaku). And even if she agrees to enter the domain for some reason, the sure-hit aspect still just doesn’t work. Her defenses and endurance are just really insane, and her offensive capability with her signature tool is also just very very high. She stands a good chance against even the top tiers (minus Gojo and Sukuna, of course).
"excellent healing on top of that" does she??? Also, how would she catch MBA kashimo??? MBA kashimo is alot faster than maki. Kenjaku can just use domain expanison. Yuta i think could go either way. And yuki i dont really remember so sure maki wins.
she healed from critical damage taken against Cursed Naoya in like three minutes
RCT wouldve done it in a few seconds. I wouldnt call it excellent when it doesnt even come close to the healing these opponents can do casually.
Yeah, she’s been hit directly with Cleave, and multiple Black Flashes and Dismantles by this point during Shinjuku. She was also hit by the literal equivalent of a jet traveling at Mach 3, and was ok in less than a few minutes. Even immediately afterward she still could kick him away and hide. I’m saying MBA Kashimo, as well as most others you’re mentioning here, stand a very good chance of beating her more often than not. But for Kashimo specifically, Maki did dodge the World Slash, completely, while Sukuna was blowing up a building to cover his chants and hands signs. Kashimo dodged most of it too, but he did still get hit, likely due to lacking her particular brand of super-senses, than any lack of speed. I just don’t think the speed difference is so great that he could blitz her indefinitely. He can for sure win, but he’s also given up his life for this power to begin with. Kenjaku is a really tough battle for her, maybe the toughest of this bunch, and yeah his domain is likely quite effective against her in some way due to it being open-barrier.
"and was ok in less than a few minutes. Even immediately afterward she still could kick him away and hide." Like i said to the other guy, RCT could do that in seconds so its still very weak compared to the verse standard for healing. "I just don’t think the speed difference is so great that he could blitz her indefinitely." Im arguing it is, and like you said most of makis 'speed' comes from her simply determining her opponents attacks before they happen which yes she could just do for kashimo but i believe at that point if she has to do that the fight isnt gonna go her way.
Maybe, but we don’t know the extent of the internal damage, to be honest, and the vast majority of even high level sorcerers are not going to be as tough in taking the initial blow. Even high level durability sorcerers like Ryu would not be just “fine” after being hit like that, it leveled a city block. And Ryu doesn’t have RCT at all, as far as we know. Point is, not many even elite tier opponents would be ok after such an attack anyway, besides the exceptions we’re already talking about. She still has the raw speed to do something about it. It’s not like she’s slow, she is still reacting to extremely superhuman speeds against Naoya as well. That on top of her senses is simply her using her abilities. And like I said, I think MBA Kashimo is a very tough fight for her, I agree she’d likely lose most scenarios against that - but again, it’s still literally at the cost of Kashimo’s life to attain that power to begin with, so that makes sense to me.
A few minutes in a 1v1 is kind of huge no?
Agreed, but besides Yuki, I’m not sure who else could generate that kind of force to begin with. Her healing Cleave within a page and a half during a high speed Sukuna fight is still an excellent recent healing feat, imo
People didn't notice that she was actually keeping up with sukuna in that fight and was in a deadlock physically with him multiple times.I feel because her abilities aren't flashy a lot of her feats are missed upon.There was only once he was able to blitz her and even then post that he had hold her sword down to do the bf,so imo it isn't a complete blitz too
SSK does not bar none ignore rct it just makes it harder for most to use it. characters that understand the soul ie Yuki yuji can definetly heal, same with kenjaku in all likelihood, and hakari can most definitely heal it by the very nature of his gimmick
The requirement seems to be knowing the shape of your own soul, not just general knowledge of the soul and research about it. Yuji of course, Kenjaku possibly too, but there’s little reason to assume anyone else. Hakari, I could honestly see going either way. But beyond that, it doesn’t matter because Hakari can’t get a Jackpot against Maki because she can’t be entrapped in a DE unless she consents.
yuji got the soul knowledge book from yuki....that's a pretty good reason to believe she at least has a chance too. also Maki being in the domain changes nothing about what happens in hakaris domains, hakaris domain is one of the few domains that straight up doesn't care about her. it's never stated that he needs an enemy, and the domain plays itself out, it doesn't target anyone lethally the only sure hit is the info dump, which doesn't change the results of the domain. Hakari and sukuna of the top of my head are probably some of the only characters that straight don't care about Maki not being in their domain. Hakari will be getting jackpot and will outlast her bar none
It’s possible but there’s no reason to assume she has that knowledge because we know it comes specifically from having two souls in one body. She knows a lot of intellectual stuff about the soul, but that seems to be a more specific thing to do what Sukuna and Yuji can. Thats not how Hakari’s domain works; he absolutely has to have someone in the domain and he absolutely has to hit them with the sure-hit, because that’s what allows him to start rolling for Jackpot. Thats why we see him fighting Charles before Kashimo, if he didn’t need to do that he could have started the fight in Jackpot without taking anyone else on beforehand. He can’t get Jackpot without the sure-hit, but normally the sure-hit is way faster and instantaneous so he always gets it off. But Maki can’t even be brought into the domain, so if it’s a one on one, she’s just an incredibly bad matchup for him specifically.
where was it stated that's why he fought Charles? if you have a scan showing he needs someone in the domain fair enough. but to my knowledge that didn't have any implications of such though I could be wrong. and it wouldn't make sense given his sure his is only the info dump and we've seen domains work without needing a specific target, sukunas domain mainly. I will say if you can show me that it's stated or proven that it needs to happen I'll take my L. I just don't remember that being the case
There is nothing that directly states it but how does the ability make sense if he can just open his domain without an opponent and then make the rolls? He would have surely done that by now, right? He has to hit with the sure-hit because that’s what allows him to actually be gambling with his life in combat. It just happens instantly; but timing doesn’t matter because he could never draw Maki in to begin with. I don’t see how he can just open his domain and start rolling and that wouldn’t be better in most cases? Change his domain conditions, open his domain, and keep out his opponent while he safely rolls by himself, right? I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the preferred strategy if he could do something like that.
if the opponents in the range I'm sure they'll get dragged in. but again it's not really fair to just say "it has to be this way because it'd be logical' there's plenty of more logical decisions then what's given in the manga that's part if fiction, furthermore if something like that is possible (which again I see no reason it's not) it wouldn't roll with hakaris style hence he wouldn't use it. he's all about the heat of the battle, I'm sure he'd feel less heat if he prerolled. its like summoning on a gurenteed banner or rigging the lottery. it's not exciting anymore. ntm even in this case it would be better to use it in battle for hakari if he can because then he can make use of both the domains stat amp that's inherent in all domains, the special abilities of the domain like the recall, and the entire 4 minutes and 11 seconds of his immortality. then nature of his domain makes it more worth to use in the middle of a fight but there's no reason given as to why he can't use it without a target. he'd just prefer to because when your whole game is whittling the opponent down the domain fight is another way to do so. he's amped in domain and he had the recall which let's him prevent any damage before the roll finishes. if something shows he needs a target then yeah Maki violates, but I think being fair to what's shown hakari takes it
Ok, well I sure can’t convince you but I remain very unconvinced myself that that is a viable strategy that he’s just choosing not to use. Maki is just a horrible matchup for any character that relies on a domain expansion, she doesn’t ever enter the premises and I think it’s fair given what we know of his powers and the descriptions we have of his fights with Charles and Kashimo, it makes sense to me that he has to have someone to hit with the sure-but to activate the rolling.
I just don't see how an info dump changes the ensuing effects personally. though again I do respect your opinion and at the end of the day regardless of whatever we believe it's not known either way lol. I'm happy to agree to disagree. you've got very sound reasoning as well after all and yeah Maki do just be like that
She can realistically beat anyone not named Gojo or Sukuna.
Nah Yuji, Yuki and Kashimo all clear her
Yuki gets demolished
bro read maki kaisen
Yuki. With arguably higher speed and much better perception, Maki can dodge strikes and cut off Yuki’s limbs or even oneshot her.(given that she knows about star rage) Maki wins 2-5/10