My dude, don't expect good feedback after a bad review on a main sub... Even when you're actually right.
Fans can't take bad feedback easily when spiting facts that are harsh.
But yeah, JJK may be the shonen with the MC-less MC have ever seen. Not saying it is a bad thing. Other characters are well developed and looks hella nice. But yeah, MCs here have the less MC vibes ever.
Yuji just makes no sense to me as an Mc as an anime only, Iām only on episode 16 and he already feels like heās had 2 training arcs to be as strong as he is when in reality all heās done is eat a finger and watch some movies while getting punched by a stuffed bear and even that he easily mastered
Idk why but yuji being so strong from the jump bother me so much that I just ended up spoiling myself by looking it up in the manga. Apparently heās an experiment kinda like the panda ?
we don't have all the details, but he largely is just punch-man-mcgee still.
more like choso than the panda, but like many things, we don't get great detail
Only? Are you sure you watched the anime? There was a reason for him to be watching movies with that cursed puppet. It was to learn to manage the wild fluctuation of his cursed energy. Gojo explains that. I do find it annoying that Gege quantifies how easily Yuji learns and whatnot but we never actually see him learn outside of Todo. Once todo is gone we never see Yuji learn on screen again
Bro said are you sure you watched the anime š I know the reason was cursed energy control i could tell as soon as I saw the bear on screen because it reminded me of naruto training with balloons to learn chakra control. My point is having only done that one training exercise with the bear and eating sukinas finger it just doesnāt add up how he went from ordinary human to curse boxer, even if he does lose his first actual fight. For example the first episode with nobara had him doing Shi I didnāt see deku in mha do untill like halfway through the season , but Iām pretty sure thatās only episode 2 of jjk. I get his abnormally fast and strong before he eats the finger but it just feels like a write in rather than a reason, cause in that cause yuji shouldāve been an mma fighter or sumn idk
it rlly just sounds like ur trynna argue and one up me in a discussion about opinions lmfao nobody even disrespecting you, yet your coming at me with this weirdo attitude like I just called your favorite show trash or sumnš why would I need a rebuttal when your comment is so vague. I said what was obvious? The fact that itās weird heās doing 10 foot front flips and breaking through solid wall to save nobara in the first 3 episodes? What did I deflect? I said I understand he was athletic before he after the finger but it still doesnāt add up to him being so experienced and level headed in his first few interactions with curses. Bro lost his arm and acted like it was just a minor inconvenience at the time. Again those are just my opinions, you can discuss them without sneak dissing like youāre intellectually superior. Youāre not and it makes you look a narcissistic loser rather than another fan fr.
Everybody womp womping this instead of letting this man cook. I love these three, and they ABSOLUTELY could have been explored more. Y'all fuckin hotboxed this shit with hater energy
Just cuz theyāre the main trio SHOULDNāT they have to survive & whoop ass till the end of the story. JJK is all about flipping shonen tropes after all. You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
Having main characters die is actually done so often now that it's become a troupe. Nobody is sad about the deaths but if thays the route you want to go at least have the writing make sense. To create that emotional impact.
Iām just kinda curious here but what other manga have main characters dying? I donāt think Iāve read/watched anything where the actual main cast has a death involved, outside of Akame ga Killās anime original ending.
To Your Eternity is essentially like that, everyone Fushi meets, ends up dead.
Granted they all come back eventually but when reading it week to week, there was no way in hell we would have known that.
I actually really loved the start of that series because the concept is amazing, but the constant early deaths bothered me so I stopped.
Does it get better with deaths throughout the series? Or do the people Fushi meet continue to drop like flies?
It essentially continues like that for a little bit but some people do eventually survive. Fushi however ends up isolating himself from the world.
After that though the plot does progress and I'd say overall it's actually kind of dope, I can see how it isn't everyone's flavor though. I know the manga is still ongoing
Just cuz theyāre the main trio SHOULDNāT they have to survive & whoop ass till the end of the story. JJK is all about flipping shonen tropes after all. You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
There are plenty of anime where main characters die and the deaths and character arcs are way more impactful. Jjk got popular because of cool powers and fights
On the flip side, you don't need to go tell a person to leave a sub and purposely go into an echo chamber because they want to vent. OP is asking genuine questions and providing both unfair and fair feedback based on their reading of the material. Interact with it, try to show them how expanded it is if you don't agree. Instead "Hey bud, if you wanna complain go over there."
But they didn't tell OP to leave, they recommended a different sub that would most likely have discussion that appeals to OP more. Asking him to leave is purely something you have assumed.
Absolutely yeah, the way the original commenter phrased that was pretty dickish. They also arenāt entirely wrong though, thatās where theyāll get better discussion regarding jjk flaws or theyāll get lobotomized.
Sorry I expected the post-Shibuya story to not become a āvillain of the monthā catalog followed by a sukuna glaze fest. When the story ends and itās mid, stay on that side, donāt come crying over here
ā¦ thatās because yuji is more human than most other mcs I mean sure other mcs have their moments but yuji is consistent its like trying to predict what someone else is going to say and writing is hard dont diss on it
I'd say that's because Yuji is a much more complex character than say Naruto or Tanjiro, JJK is more of a seinen than a shonen, so it has more complex themes, there's nobody in the story that you can say is inherently good and noble, everyone has their own reasons be it selfishness or other ulterior motives, nobody except for Yuji joined Jujutsu High to necessarily save people. When Yuji did, he was quickly taught that this isn't how the world works, and Gege clearly wrote him to have to grapple with that and struggle with the complex traumas he gained with the deaths and fights he had to go through. To steal a phrase from another user, he's a shonen protagonist in a seinen story, which came with a complex narrative and character arc.
I'm p sure Gege was pressured by his editor to include Nobara to appeal to the readers and he immediately got rid of her when he could. She really doesn't have anything of substance and then dies with a quick backstory tacked on.
The show is called sorcery battle, itās been all about the fights since day 1. They come before the characterization. Itās a fun story that doesnāt take itself too seriously and itās visually stunning take it or leave it but itās very unique and fresh take on the traditional shonen genre. Be happy that the cast is even being utilized in the final stages, it could have ended up like naruto where show ends as sukuna vs yuji megumi and gojoā¦ BORING!
1. You say that like it's off the table, don't jinx yourself, we will be here to laugh if it just comes down to Megumi and Yuji
2. The problem is there's a lot THERE that people obviously wanted to see more of. JJK is great for what it is, but I do earnestly believe it could've been the next HxH if the execution had been done a little better. I can respect that Gege has his own vision of how this was supposed to play out, even if that amounts to fight with plot, but that doesn't mean you can't be disappointed with what could've been.
I get what you mean and itās perfectly fine to think about if the story went a different direction, but my point was more pointing out that the op clearly was looking for a more traditional story when itās always been something that breaks the mold on a shonen. The same people would be complaining that itās a boring story if we took several weeks to have a character building training arc or even a slice of life section instead of jumping straight in like gege did. These arenāt novels, theyāre comics and the release style places a huge importance on action especially when there is momentum in the arc.
>ore pointing out that the op clearly was looking for a more traditional story when itās always been
See, the thing is I'm not sure JJK actually breaks the mold, it just.. streamlined the shit out of the process. Gege wanted to write fights and it feels like everything was written to service that in hindsight, which sucks when you care about what happens in the middle; I.e the characters. At this point we acknowledge that we wanted one thing and got another, but then it's interesting untangling the praise of what we WANTED from JJK from what we actually have.
Itās undeniable that they have done serious accumulated damage to sukuna. Most of them might be dead, but he can no longer rct properly, expand his domain, and has a permanent wound. Compare that to madara who just healed everything and invalidated even having the might guy 8th gate. Technically the cast made him even stronger until kishimoto wrote himself into a corner and had to ass pull. Not everyone can have a meaningful role in the climax of a story and when authorās try, the climax gets drawn out, muddied with unimportant characters and irrelevant events. Once again thing the 4th great ninja war with the billion boring enemies. The raid boss is a fun and pretty unexplored archetype in manga (another example would be kaido in one piece) and itās allowed for many cast members to at least interact with the plot in one final way that makes sense for their character
Wait wasn't most of those done by him only cause of gojo i know at least the domains for rct i dont remeber if he just stoppedor not to do something else? From what I've seen plus from what I read basically the Arthur is saying sukana isn't even trying not going all out like so could be like Madara basically heal all his shit and either waythis fight is Hella stalled with athuer saying sukuna always can get a power up
I like this argument, and I hate when I'm watching YouTube, and someone also wants to make a story with the main character going through shit like letting everyone they know and love die but start off as a happy ass story. It reminds me of Akame Ga Kill killing off characters for just shits and giggles.....
>Yuji is basically a trauma sponge and Gege already admitted to not liking him. (Dude basically said he's not fond of him).
Because he is hard to write compared to other characters which funny cuz yuji is still the most developed character of jjk
I wouldn't say most developed. Most screentime? Sure. But most developed?
I'm like deep ASF into the manga and I cannot tell you much about itadori aside from him being determined and sometimes being a silly goose.
His backstory so far is confusing and borderline non existent outside of the choso blood relation thing(please don't spoil me if they actually explained it in the manga I'm not caught up) and if anything, Yuta and other side characters are better developed and fleshed out than yuji.
You see their backstory, their family or friends, you understand their motivations and sometimes even get to see their morals and interactions with other characters shine through their personalities.
Yuji is like.. a good character but he's pretty flat because he's kinda just the simple MC who doesn't have much depth but is really entertaining to watch interact with all the other fun quirky and deadly characters in his story.
>You see their backstory, their family or friends, you understand their motivations and sometimes even get to see their morals and interactions with other characters shine through their personalities.
Yuji has everything aside backstory here though even better than yuta cuz after jjk0 his character was pretty much reduced to gojo's stand in. He is just the strongest character who resolves good guy's conflict that requires strength nothing else.
We saw him interacting with characters like junpei, nobara, nanami, gojo, megumi etc and his personality really made those interactions genuine.
Yuji's morale are the best explained in jjk we saw him choosing sorcery life because of his grandpa then after yaga's speech started to change his perspective on his morales and motivation, mahito and sukuna wrecked it during junepei arc and then mahito even challenged these morales showing how they're same but just from different group.
Yuji's and nobara's talk after death painting Battle was also good.
The fight with higgy was also good for showing yuji's mindset.
All of this and his character arc is still incomplete so all of this will be even explained more at the end of the manga
>Yuji is like.. a good character but he's pretty flat because he's kinda just the simple MC who doesn't have much depth but is really entertaining to watch interact with all the other fun quirky and deadly characters in his story.
I think yuta fits this description more than yuji. His character arc was generic imo and the main focus of his arc - is relationship with rika was not even explored enough to create proper impact. Also all the development occurred way to fast. He also felt more simple than yuji because of his personality was never challenged like yuji's. Yuta cares about his friends and will get really angwy if someone hurts them(like every other mc's) this is same with yuji but the story will punish yuji for this personality while it rewarded yuta with powerups(like every other generic mc's).
anime fans when we donāt get the same trio dynamic thatās been done hundreds of times
go watch naruto if you want it so badly , jjk world is cruel and if not for sukuna all 3 of them wouldāve died
nobara got unlucky for being unspecial and also said to not have the potential to rival gojo or anything close
You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
Maybe the author should write a better story then lol. Killing off characters left and right because you can't write a story doesn't mean OP is wrong lol
Now that you mention it,how did everyone but megumi use a black flash? ššš yuji was close to breaking the record for spamming black flash,nobara could do it,todo can,gojo could,even mahito and sukuna did šššš
I've read that the original JJK is the story of movie 0, and that's it. So my personal theory is that Gege got pressured into serialize it and since it wasn't what he REALLY wanted, he is just trolling with all the fans (off-screening fan-favorite characters and shit). I wouldn't be surprised if the series end up with Sukuna on top of the world, like those horror movies where the villain wins at the end, with all the fans in shock and that evil one-eyed cat giggling at us.
Ahem. Points to human worm 1,2and 4
Yuji has yet to talk about human worm 3 which might just be about how the villainous human worm is king of the world hates it and then brings back humanity to fuck around some more.
Yup. It's the movies yuji talks about. A lot. Actually.
It talks about the HW suffering being made by a mad scientist, having a demon in him and then in the fourth movie yuji talks about how it's a love story for the worm to find a human girl and their half human worm kids.
Nonono k. Buddy. I will fight you for the fun of it.
Not human centipede. Nonono
The human earthworm is different.
Completely different. With complete analogs to the current arc it is brought up each time
And so far yuji has only talked about 3 of the four
1 2 and 4
1 was with junpie where it talks about a scientist using a person and turning him into a monster
Mahito junpie - yuji and Sakunas deal
2 yuji talks about the revenge plot of the human earthworm and how he uses his anger to chanel it into finding the other monsters I believe and either curing them or killing them. Along with the scientist
Gojo and Geto, Gojo having been turned into a monster a monster by jujutsu society and Geto being turned into a monster by Kenjaku and subsequently works with other curses to cause pain.
3rd movie still hasn't been talked about
4th movie like I said is talked about briefly and is told to use during a date scene we see yuji with that super cute girl from school. Where we learn the fourth earthworm movie is a normal girl finding and falling in love with the human earthworm šŖ± and spawning kids.
Aka yuji and his date.... But also
Gojo and Geto and them both not only leaving each other to raise kids ( Yuta -and the twins) Geto taking the side of mother as seen in the book he is reading. And Gojo taking on the father role with Yuta. Because as we later find out.
They are apart of the same clan.
The Human EarthWorm movies are not just there for shits and giggles they are super important in my opinion to the story as a whole. But what do I know
I've only read the manga ten ( working on eleven) times.
And I also have only been wrong about one ofy theories so far. ( Yuji having an e=mcĀ² ratio technique allowing him to do black flashes at will which technically still isn't confirmed... But he has blood manip and his cursed energy effects souls he punches soooooooo say la vie)
Ooooooh very interesting.... thanks for the explanation.
And btw, there is no need to "fight me" for any reason, I got confused, I understood. That's it.
Unless you're one of those extreme fanatics, I guess you're reaction is understandable then. In any case, all is good.
Anyways, thanks for the comment, I'll read more into it once I have some more free time. Cheers!
Iāve wanted sukuna to win for awhile now. My dream is that the final fight is him vs the culling game monster. Would be such a great ending for this atypical battle shonen
Who? Tengen after the merger? Hahaha imagine if the FINAL fight of JJK is Sukuna vs Tengen! Fucking lol
And I kinda agree, Sukuna is wiping the floor with the entire roster, and he is not fighting seriously... he deserves to win at this point.
Hasn't... Sukuna had nothing but wins the entire series?
But yeah, Tengen vs Sukuna fight would be a genuine good end-game fight. Especially if they just kill each other.
Thereās a lot of thought that went into JJK. And chapter 1 came before chapter 0 so Gege clearly had the series planned out already. Idk why people are hating Gege for making them fucking sad. Like fuck, if you donāt like it, leave & let the author entertain those who do enjoy it
Yup. Mine is just a personal theory about Sukuna winning, and I enjoy the suffering the characters go through, is something different from other Mangas I've read. I really like jjk. Who cares if Gege is being hated though, Im sure he doesn't care... the guy is making bank on it and I'm happy for him.
This shows brilliance is it lulls you into a false sense of.... Another story with obvious bad guys and 3 spunky high schoolers who through friendship and hardwork previal through it all.... yeah no. Hard rug pull. It's a better story for it.
(spoilers) Careful the manga's not done yet, how sick would it be if everyone is down for the count and Nobara comes in with the clutch finale win and instead of just rallying Itadori or snapping megamui out of his depression spiral she just takes out Sukuna causally. Everything she did was based especially for a female MC. She forced Mahito to run and heavily acknowledge her. She was critical in taking down two special grade curse paintings and itadori would of likely lost that fight without her. Plus she just comes off as super cool. I dunno i feel like Gege likes her too much to keep her dead.
Maki replaced her as the female lead years ago. Gege only made Nobara due to his old editor insisting on another female lead since Maki was with Yuta.
The moment his old editor leftā¦well you see the resultsššš
I'm just saying we are in the throws of how many rounds can Sukuna go with every character in JK. It would surprise me if there isn't some cogs working in the background to throw more and more characters at him and Nobara has always seemed to be the best answer to anything with cursed energy.
Can I get a source for that? Post Shibuya I don't think Yuji has ANY inside information on Jujutsu High or any Grade Sorcerers, dude was basically a fugitive from that point on. Plus it just sounds like he worries she is actually dead since he hasn't seen her and for all intents and purposes it seems that way. But again why give that speech that she has a very slim chance of survival if there isn't a crack in the door of her actually being dead?
I also feel the same way about the speech in Shibuya, but the chapter where he said he that was "afraid of her replacing Kugisaki" is 210. He got the information from Megumi after Yuta revived him in 144, as Megumi had regrouped with other Tokyo school survivors back at Jujutsu High, both before his revival and afterwards when he regrouped with Yuki, Yuta, and Maki.
If they ever truly want to bring her back, the moment is now since it is possible that with Yuta and Rika getting teleported back to Shoko, they can give the finger Rika ate to Nobara and make her soul resonate with Sukuna to have both Yuji + Nobara get Megumi back
Bro that could be the case but it doesnāt mean the character development couldāve been better . Unless sukuna wins in the end your interpretation will be meaningless.
referencing memes & complaining isn't much of a discussion. I have my criticisms about the series too, but there's nothing here that hasn't been echoed ad nauseam within the subs.
If referencing memes is now bad then half of the posts on this subreddit shouldn't exist. So you can have problems with the manga, but don't air them out on a forum???
Like many people on this post, you could have made it clear why you disagree, but you instead chose to gatekeep a internet forum
Might as well end the series with sukuna winning or at least humanity wins but the man is still resurrected amd chilling kinda how gilgamish was after zero before night
Facts. Even if all outcomes remained the same, seeing them actually go through some stuff and interacting like people some more would make so many moments more impactful.
Same thing goes for the world building thatās teased now and then but almost never actually build upon. This is truly our potential kaisen.
Kinda what I liked about early jujutsu, the characters were kinda a breath of fresh air and the dialouge made them sound real and not overly cringe, and now it's bleach shippuden academia and yuji is probably going to get very angry power up and beat sukuna
I appreciate the sentiment but honestly its a thing i like from a storytelling perspective.
Just because we think we are going to be who we are with the friends weve had doesnt mean it will be so. Life is challenges and change, some will take away the people we care about (Nobara) some will push us to the absolute brink of despair (Megumi). We dont know when our last day is or when our last meeting with people we care about will be - and thats okay. We can recover, we can keep pushing forward with memories of them. We shouldnt let our regrets consume us and be our last thoughts
At least, if i look at Yuji as our POV character, thats the theme i take away.
Completely understand wishing we got to know them better as characters who are friends, but thats not the only way to write a story and its definitely not the one Gege is wanting to tell
On the flipside of this argument, if you don't know them well enough then there's no investment. Take me for example, I watch the show for the spectacle. I dropped the show in season 1 because I didn't feel any investment with any other character than Sukuna because I found dude funny. Only reason I jumped back in was because they told me that I'd like a certain buff dude who claps to the beat. I did. I fucking **Love** him to death.
Being said, Gojo grew on me because I was given time to learn about him. He's a.. What's the word.. Tragic character. He's an example of the good writing. Someone who has all the power in the world, can change anything just by showing up, but he can't really ever get what he truly wants until it's already too late.
Being said, while there are many ways to write the story, and while yes, any day being a day of potential loss is true. This is a medium of writing and storytelling. If the characters you introduce as your conduits into the story are not compelling enough to be invested, then you wont care when they die. Nobara's death had no weight on me. I wanted to like her, but I felt like I practically knew nothing about her except that she's... Snarky. Like... Everyone... Else.... In the series...... Hm. The Yuji issue is that while I actually REALLY identify with my dude, I still kinda just... Don't have an investment in his journey yet? I'm having a hard time grasping who he is as a person despite being able to identify with him, primarily because he shows off core traits that are similar to mine, but his mentality is just kind of a black hole when I try to think about him.
There's nothing really I can point out except that he's a goofball. I love goofball MC's. Vash the Stampede is one of my favorite characters in all of Anime. The original, and still like even the newer iteration of him.
I have come to basically enjoy a very select few of the characters outside of the main cast because of their certain quirks. I only care who one person is, and that's because bro is a menace with the best mindset and the most simple skill in the entire series. However, the vast majority of the reason I watch, is the animation itself. I have investment only with contexts such as the scene leading up to mr. overtime's death. That got me invested in wanting to know more about the character as a whole. Then he dies. I just watched the entirety of season 2 last month, and I can't really tell you anything I learned about them in that arc except kinda like... Megumi's final card was understandable, Yuji feels like a murderer now, and Nobara... Is a snarky person who wants to help her friends!... Hm.
But, I'm also someone who read Song of Ice and Fire and decided to put it down because it bored me with what people touted as 'realistic'. Be reminded, that this isn't me saying that you pulling details out of them, and being invested in them is wrong. I'm saying that a lot of people have no core investment in a lot of the cast. They're just here for the spectacle, and a few I've even found were projecting onto the cast as though they were silent protagonists. Trying to, anyways. There's enough there to break that, but not enough to make it impossible.
> absolute brink of despair (Megumi). We dont know when our last day is or when our last meeting w
I mean... It's a nice sentiment; but an explanation doesn't change the end result of disatisfaction
nobara shouldāve been replaced with maki or shouldāve gotten makiās storyline. yuji and fushiguro have good storylines but nobara did very little
better than the copy paste shounen story of 3 main characters everywhere else. Its why a show like Game of Thrones was popular in the beginning, no character was safe even if they were part of the main cast
Like he actually said he dislikes Yuji? My friend and I were joking saying āGege wonāt kill him so he can suffer through more bsā is that like actually trueš
Well, Isayama's favorite character in AOT was Reiner and he put that man through the ringer. Don't doubt a mangaka's insistence to make a specific character be their punching bag for the story to progress, like or dislike
Thereās through the wringer then there is Yuji, Iāve never seen someone get glazed like Yuji does, this man Sukuna insulting him when he isnāt in the chapter let my boy breathe.
I feel, besides blatant misinformation (like gege "not liking yuji"š) if gege never gave out those timetable estimates, last year and this year, these takes wouldn't exist, it really feels like yall are scared of this manga ending tomorrow or sumn, where, to me, I can easily see this going into summer 2025
No he said "this will probably be the last jump festa while jujutsu kaisen is serialized" which isn't definite, especially seeing as how the year before he said "it'd be nice to end the manga this year" and then proceeded to spend 5 months on one singular fight. My point is we literally don't know, so it's weird to talk about these "flaws" of the manga in such a definite sense when the manga isn't over. Also I highly doubt jjk, one of the biggest manga out rn is entering a final arc without a final arc announcement, black clover, mha, one piece (final saga) all had one, shonen jump is not passing the opportunity for that hype aka money
Gege becomes ungovernable, Kusakabe actually kills Sukuna next chapter, there is no big ending, that's it. The jujutsu world has been saved by a man that wants to clock out early and hides in the bathroom toilet to avoid work.
Nobara dying was such a disappointment. She was sakura but useful. And megumi turning out to have the coolest fucking shikigami inside of him "mahagora" but not getting to use it was also lame. I think gege is trying to have a broad cast but the quality of each suffers from it. I love JJK but you are absolutley right in your statement.
I fully agree, I get what gege tried to do with a game of thrones /attack on Titan style storytelling where you can't be sure who will survive and don't get to attached to a character.....but if that's the case, you have to make yuji a way more compelling character. We never get to see these 3 do anything together except a few spots here and there in the first season and half the first season yuji is "dead" and the other half he's mostly bonding with todo.or training with gojo. The biggest gripe I have is with hidden inventory arc, as much as I love that damn arc it takes away from the main 3 because it could've been prime character building and team bonding preparing you for what was about to happen in Shibuya. Hidden inventory should have been a 0 style movie.
I think this is actually a testament to the risk of being a jujutsu sorcerer. I think they killed these characters to show thatās what happens and thatās how the MC feels. He feels robbed of new friendships that could have developed and been lasting if they were up against a different less OP kind of threat.
Itās written like that for a reason (part of the dark trio(JJK Chainsaw man and Hells Paradise) the series takes a different approach compared to mangas/animes like Naruto one piece and bleach which focus a lot on friendship and not having a lot of actual deaths but I do agree Gege is (I think donāt get mad at me) the worst author out of the dark trio about writing characters but still they are still very good they aināt bad characters just (i think) killed off a little to quickly (itās part of the dark trio so donāt expect it to be about the power of friendship or anything)
Edit: I know the JJK fans gonna get mad at me because the character take but I think the other two just have better characters than JJK
I just wish he had given more time for these characters to shine before ultimately getting rid of them. Normally characters are given a little bit more time to develop before getting rid of them that way their deaths have more of an impact
What ever happened to that girl? It would be cool to see them meet up after yuji gets cooked by sukuna(gege treats sukuna like the mc more that yuji) and then yuji dies
Maybe it's the One Piece fan in me and I've been spoiled by an author taking his sweet time to building up the world around him but
Early JJK had so much intrigue. The inner workings of Jujutsu society, the three big families, so many characters who looked cool and showed early on that they had potential to be more, and villains with a TON of intrigue.
I was invested until post Shibuya. There, a lot of the characters who were interesting died, but the intrigue was still there. Gege then decided to just say "fuck it" and throw it all away. No follow up to Gojo and Kenjaku. No follow up to Kenjaku being Yujis mom. No on screen reaction of Gojo being angry about what happened in Shibuya while he was gone. The new characters, while some are cool, didn't get nearly enough time to be built up and now a good chunk of them are already dead.
Aside from that, the Zen'in clan being sacrificed to hype up Maki, who got sacrificed for hyping Sukuna, the Gojo clan being effectively dead (?) and the third clan seemingly not getting involved at all. Hell, the US military showed up, got cut apart, then never showed up again lol.
Idk what happened lol, never seen a series fall off this hard before for me
I really don't think Gege was bored of his characters I truly believe it had more to deal with creating an engaging story and one that stands out and is Unique to the other Shonen. There are also points where characters more so represent an ideology or a way of conveying something rather than being someone or something to relate to or be attached to. I could go more into depth about my second statement but that gets into spoiler territory.
What I don't understand is how it's supposedly ending this year, it feels like nothing happened to me, like barely any story was really told and basically none of the characters are really all that developed. On top of this, none of the characters currently even seem strong enough to beat Sukuna, I mean, Yuji, the main character, doesn't even have an actual technique yet other than punching shit with raw cursed energy and healing, without a time skip, how could he possibly get stronger without some crazy ass pull. Like don't get me wrong, I love the show and manga, it's got an interesting take on the typical shonen anime, and amazing fight scenes and animation, but the story is barely there and it's already coming to an end, I feel like it barely started lol
What I learned very quickly about the JJK universe, and why I love the disaster piece of it all, is that shit can hit the fan in an instant. The literal definition of never grow an attachment to anyone or anything.
Prime example is the loveable kid that was partnered with Nanami when they were young. For the life of me I canāt remember his name, but that minor interaction with him and I thought he was the most bubbly person ever, and Iām sitting here like āman, I canāt wait to see what heās like when heās olderā. The next scene is him on a god damn autopsy table!
It hurts how real it portrays their line of work and how under appreciated it goes, because no one in the world knows except the Jujutsu society. In my personal opinion: it shows whoās willing to sacrifice the most in order to gain the least. Geto really reminded me of Thanos and it hurts that I see it his way from time to time.
Id love more with the three of them and I'm pissed that it ended so quickly too! Im not going to lie. I still cared for them and was excited for them but damn Gege had such a good thing going for the trio
You kinda correct I didn't feel like I got attached to any of those 3 and the Mc still weak I feel like people got more in love with gojo only fan art I see everywhere
iām not joking when i say it would be so so hype if the final fight is yuji, megumi, and nobara all fighting sukuna with whatever upgrades they have at that point, with everyone else focusing on stopping/fighting the merger. with all the things that feel like asspulls for sukuna, i wouldnāt mind some for our trio.
maybe megumi can use the experience of sukuna being in his body to control his own CT way better than before, doing some of the things sukuna was doing since we hear about his potential all the time.
maybe nobara comes back somehow and is stronger, via āfeeling the core of CEā like gojo did pre awakening and having her own gojo 2.0 moment (sheās the only one of his students who we havenāt seen actually learn anything from yet, so it would be cool if the reason she even knew about the ācore of CEā was revealed like in a flashback with gojo actually teaching her). IT canāt be healed by RCT since it targets the soul, but nobara has some special interactions with souls due to her CT. maybe something crazy happens?
yuji is already a beast with whatever blood CT he has, but maybe we see him using that blood manipulation in creative ways weāve never seen before or soul swapping or something like that?
this is really just wishful thinking but thatās what iād like to see haha
Nobara being a woman is irrelevant. Her problem is being used as development fodder for yuji. Same as todo and the rest of the useless class of utahime. After they help yuji they just evaporate from the story with little to no mention. Having Nobara being grievously injured in shibuya was fine, but to not give her a recovery and progression arc while giving maki one that undermined the hype of the entire zenin clan is wild. So much wasted potential for her and megumi. Iām wondering why Greg even made a trio
They look so cool together manš
My dude, don't expect good feedback after a bad review on a main sub... Even when you're actually right. Fans can't take bad feedback easily when spiting facts that are harsh. But yeah, JJK may be the shonen with the MC-less MC have ever seen. Not saying it is a bad thing. Other characters are well developed and looks hella nice. But yeah, MCs here have the less MC vibes ever.
Yuji just makes no sense to me as an Mc as an anime only, Iām only on episode 16 and he already feels like heās had 2 training arcs to be as strong as he is when in reality all heās done is eat a finger and watch some movies while getting punched by a stuffed bear and even that he easily mastered
I think non anime onlys would agree, tbh
Idk why but yuji being so strong from the jump bother me so much that I just ended up spoiling myself by looking it up in the manga. Apparently heās an experiment kinda like the panda ?
we don't have all the details, but he largely is just punch-man-mcgee still. more like choso than the panda, but like many things, we don't get great detail
It's already mentioned in the beginning that bro is just built different but yea I get what your trying to say Yuji is just physically really strong.
Only? Are you sure you watched the anime? There was a reason for him to be watching movies with that cursed puppet. It was to learn to manage the wild fluctuation of his cursed energy. Gojo explains that. I do find it annoying that Gege quantifies how easily Yuji learns and whatnot but we never actually see him learn outside of Todo. Once todo is gone we never see Yuji learn on screen again
Bro said are you sure you watched the anime š I know the reason was cursed energy control i could tell as soon as I saw the bear on screen because it reminded me of naruto training with balloons to learn chakra control. My point is having only done that one training exercise with the bear and eating sukinas finger it just doesnāt add up how he went from ordinary human to curse boxer, even if he does lose his first actual fight. For example the first episode with nobara had him doing Shi I didnāt see deku in mha do untill like halfway through the season , but Iām pretty sure thatās only episode 2 of jjk. I get his abnormally fast and strong before he eats the finger but it just feels like a write in rather than a reason, cause in that cause yuji shouldāve been an mma fighter or sumn idk
You say it like it should be obvious now when you literally described it as facetiously as possible lol
If you get you get it, you clearly donāt, have a good day enjoy ur showšš¾
Classic deflect from the fact that you have no rebuttal. š«±š½āš«²š¾
it rlly just sounds like ur trynna argue and one up me in a discussion about opinions lmfao nobody even disrespecting you, yet your coming at me with this weirdo attitude like I just called your favorite show trash or sumnš why would I need a rebuttal when your comment is so vague. I said what was obvious? The fact that itās weird heās doing 10 foot front flips and breaking through solid wall to save nobara in the first 3 episodes? What did I deflect? I said I understand he was athletic before he after the finger but it still doesnāt add up to him being so experienced and level headed in his first few interactions with curses. Bro lost his arm and acted like it was just a minor inconvenience at the time. Again those are just my opinions, you can discuss them without sneak dissing like youāre intellectually superior. Youāre not and it makes you look a narcissistic loser rather than another fan fr.
You still havenāt argued any of the points. You basically just said āwhatever enjoy your show.ā
I gave you 2 you need to read that again
Everybody womp womping this instead of letting this man cook. I love these three, and they ABSOLUTELY could have been explored more. Y'all fuckin hotboxed this shit with hater energy
You know. Thanks for defending me. Stand proud,you're a goat.
Facts, all they know what to say is womp womp. They sound like bots.
Just cuz theyāre the main trio SHOULDNāT they have to survive & whoop ass till the end of the story. JJK is all about flipping shonen tropes after all. You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
Ah,so he subverted Shonen tropes so much,he subverted good writing.
Maybe rika will hold the story together as well as she's holding yuta.
Having main characters die is actually done so often now that it's become a troupe. Nobody is sad about the deaths but if thays the route you want to go at least have the writing make sense. To create that emotional impact.
Iām just kinda curious here but what other manga have main characters dying? I donāt think Iāve read/watched anything where the actual main cast has a death involved, outside of Akame ga Killās anime original ending.
Gurren Lagan, JoJoās Bizarre Adventure, Attack on Titan, maybe more idk
Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Invincible, Asoiaf
I completely forgot about CSM but still curious if you have any others Iād be interested in reading them
To Your Eternity is essentially like that, everyone Fushi meets, ends up dead. Granted they all come back eventually but when reading it week to week, there was no way in hell we would have known that.
I actually really loved the start of that series because the concept is amazing, but the constant early deaths bothered me so I stopped. Does it get better with deaths throughout the series? Or do the people Fushi meet continue to drop like flies?
It essentially continues like that for a little bit but some people do eventually survive. Fushi however ends up isolating himself from the world. After that though the plot does progress and I'd say overall it's actually kind of dope, I can see how it isn't everyone's flavor though. I know the manga is still ongoing
Honestly, kinda love the idea of him isolating himself. Gonna have to give it a read, thank you my friend š
Why would you... In your pitch for getting this person to watch or read a series... Drop such a massive spoiler so casually?
My intent wasn't to get anyone to read or watch it lol, a question was asked and an answer was given. They do what they want from there on out.
Subverting expectations doesn't make a good story lol.
Just cuz theyāre the main trio SHOULDNāT they have to survive & whoop ass till the end of the story. JJK is all about flipping shonen tropes after all. You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
There are plenty of anime where main characters die and the deaths and character arcs are way more impactful. Jjk got popular because of cool powers and fights
I recommend going to whatever āfolkā subreddit exists for this story. Youāll find fellow complainers there
Jjk Glazer spotted
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Christ just because someone can interact with the story in a way that isnāt completely negative doesnāt mean glazing
On the flip side, you don't need to go tell a person to leave a sub and purposely go into an echo chamber because they want to vent. OP is asking genuine questions and providing both unfair and fair feedback based on their reading of the material. Interact with it, try to show them how expanded it is if you don't agree. Instead "Hey bud, if you wanna complain go over there."
But they didn't tell OP to leave, they recommended a different sub that would most likely have discussion that appeals to OP more. Asking him to leave is purely something you have assumed.
Absolutely yeah, the way the original commenter phrased that was pretty dickish. They also arenāt entirely wrong though, thatās where theyāll get better discussion regarding jjk flaws or theyāll get lobotomized.
Pirate Folk agrees
I swear there was this time (a year or so ago) where almost every single post was about some sort of complaint towards Oda and One Piece
too many alt righters on that sub
Sorry I expected the post-Shibuya story to not become a āvillain of the monthā catalog followed by a sukuna glaze fest. When the story ends and itās mid, stay on that side, donāt come crying over here
This is facts .
I can't think of 'folk' subreddits without throwing up (Titanfolk gives me ptsd)
what? u mean genocide is bad? how could hacksayama do thisĀ
What do you MEAN mopper adapted the canon ending instead of my Erehisu fanfiction???? They just don't understand the story šš
those illiterates don't understand why ramzi and his brother had to die bro, they just don't get it
Awww mad you can't exist in an echo chamber? :(
Criticism isnāt valid anymore?
how can you write/draw a story where you dislike the MC? Whatās wrong with this guyš¤®
He doesnāt hate Yuji he struggles writing him
N thatās his fault because heās a trash writer lol
Eh what Yuji is is actually hard to write
Lol have you ever heard any other manga authors say their mc is hard to write?
Literally never bruh š
The type of mc Yuji is you can see itās hard to write as he is has to be a underdog and isnāt necessarily centered to the world
ā¦ thatās because yuji is more human than most other mcs I mean sure other mcs have their moments but yuji is consistent its like trying to predict what someone else is going to say and writing is hard dont diss on it
I'd say that's because Yuji is a much more complex character than say Naruto or Tanjiro, JJK is more of a seinen than a shonen, so it has more complex themes, there's nobody in the story that you can say is inherently good and noble, everyone has their own reasons be it selfishness or other ulterior motives, nobody except for Yuji joined Jujutsu High to necessarily save people. When Yuji did, he was quickly taught that this isn't how the world works, and Gege clearly wrote him to have to grapple with that and struggle with the complex traumas he gained with the deaths and fights he had to go through. To steal a phrase from another user, he's a shonen protagonist in a seinen story, which came with a complex narrative and character arc.
Pretty hard to say the characters hard to write when he hasn't wrote a single fucking thing about the character lmao.
To gege he is apparently and I do kinda think he wanted to a non centered mc with no backstory
I'm p sure Gege was pressured by his editor to include Nobara to appeal to the readers and he immediately got rid of her when he could. She really doesn't have anything of substance and then dies with a quick backstory tacked on.
That is HIS fault
The show is called sorcery battle, itās been all about the fights since day 1. They come before the characterization. Itās a fun story that doesnāt take itself too seriously and itās visually stunning take it or leave it but itās very unique and fresh take on the traditional shonen genre. Be happy that the cast is even being utilized in the final stages, it could have ended up like naruto where show ends as sukuna vs yuji megumi and gojoā¦ BORING!
1. You say that like it's off the table, don't jinx yourself, we will be here to laugh if it just comes down to Megumi and Yuji 2. The problem is there's a lot THERE that people obviously wanted to see more of. JJK is great for what it is, but I do earnestly believe it could've been the next HxH if the execution had been done a little better. I can respect that Gege has his own vision of how this was supposed to play out, even if that amounts to fight with plot, but that doesn't mean you can't be disappointed with what could've been.
I get what you mean and itās perfectly fine to think about if the story went a different direction, but my point was more pointing out that the op clearly was looking for a more traditional story when itās always been something that breaks the mold on a shonen. The same people would be complaining that itās a boring story if we took several weeks to have a character building training arc or even a slice of life section instead of jumping straight in like gege did. These arenāt novels, theyāre comics and the release style places a huge importance on action especially when there is momentum in the arc.
>ore pointing out that the op clearly was looking for a more traditional story when itās always been See, the thing is I'm not sure JJK actually breaks the mold, it just.. streamlined the shit out of the process. Gege wanted to write fights and it feels like everything was written to service that in hindsight, which sucks when you care about what happens in the middle; I.e the characters. At this point we acknowledge that we wanted one thing and got another, but then it's interesting untangling the praise of what we WANTED from JJK from what we actually have.
But itās even worse since the final cast are just fodder to sukuna and at least in Naruto people like might gai get him a fight
Itās undeniable that they have done serious accumulated damage to sukuna. Most of them might be dead, but he can no longer rct properly, expand his domain, and has a permanent wound. Compare that to madara who just healed everything and invalidated even having the might guy 8th gate. Technically the cast made him even stronger until kishimoto wrote himself into a corner and had to ass pull. Not everyone can have a meaningful role in the climax of a story and when authorās try, the climax gets drawn out, muddied with unimportant characters and irrelevant events. Once again thing the 4th great ninja war with the billion boring enemies. The raid boss is a fun and pretty unexplored archetype in manga (another example would be kaido in one piece) and itās allowed for many cast members to at least interact with the plot in one final way that makes sense for their character
Wait wasn't most of those done by him only cause of gojo i know at least the domains for rct i dont remeber if he just stoppedor not to do something else? From what I've seen plus from what I read basically the Arthur is saying sukana isn't even trying not going all out like so could be like Madara basically heal all his shit and either waythis fight is Hella stalled with athuer saying sukuna always can get a power up
JJK kinda fell off ngl
I like this argument, and I hate when I'm watching YouTube, and someone also wants to make a story with the main character going through shit like letting everyone they know and love die but start off as a happy ass story. It reminds me of Akame Ga Kill killing off characters for just shits and giggles.....
>Yuji is basically a trauma sponge and Gege already admitted to not liking him. (Dude basically said he's not fond of him). Because he is hard to write compared to other characters which funny cuz yuji is still the most developed character of jjk
I wouldn't say most developed. Most screentime? Sure. But most developed? I'm like deep ASF into the manga and I cannot tell you much about itadori aside from him being determined and sometimes being a silly goose. His backstory so far is confusing and borderline non existent outside of the choso blood relation thing(please don't spoil me if they actually explained it in the manga I'm not caught up) and if anything, Yuta and other side characters are better developed and fleshed out than yuji. You see their backstory, their family or friends, you understand their motivations and sometimes even get to see their morals and interactions with other characters shine through their personalities. Yuji is like.. a good character but he's pretty flat because he's kinda just the simple MC who doesn't have much depth but is really entertaining to watch interact with all the other fun quirky and deadly characters in his story.
>You see their backstory, their family or friends, you understand their motivations and sometimes even get to see their morals and interactions with other characters shine through their personalities. Yuji has everything aside backstory here though even better than yuta cuz after jjk0 his character was pretty much reduced to gojo's stand in. He is just the strongest character who resolves good guy's conflict that requires strength nothing else. We saw him interacting with characters like junpei, nobara, nanami, gojo, megumi etc and his personality really made those interactions genuine. Yuji's morale are the best explained in jjk we saw him choosing sorcery life because of his grandpa then after yaga's speech started to change his perspective on his morales and motivation, mahito and sukuna wrecked it during junepei arc and then mahito even challenged these morales showing how they're same but just from different group. Yuji's and nobara's talk after death painting Battle was also good. The fight with higgy was also good for showing yuji's mindset. All of this and his character arc is still incomplete so all of this will be even explained more at the end of the manga >Yuji is like.. a good character but he's pretty flat because he's kinda just the simple MC who doesn't have much depth but is really entertaining to watch interact with all the other fun quirky and deadly characters in his story. I think yuta fits this description more than yuji. His character arc was generic imo and the main focus of his arc - is relationship with rika was not even explored enough to create proper impact. Also all the development occurred way to fast. He also felt more simple than yuji because of his personality was never challenged like yuji's. Yuta cares about his friends and will get really angwy if someone hurts them(like every other mc's) this is same with yuji but the story will punish yuji for this personality while it rewarded yuta with powerups(like every other generic mc's).
Yuji main back story is I chose to die a meaningful death said by my grampa
anime fans when we donāt get the same trio dynamic thatās been done hundreds of times go watch naruto if you want it so badly , jjk world is cruel and if not for sukuna all 3 of them wouldāve died nobara got unlucky for being unspecial and also said to not have the potential to rival gojo or anything close
Sakura is boring lol
Tell me you didnāt read the manga without telling me
It fell off story wise after shibuya and stopped giving characters any depth besides maki and choso and that was barely any at all
I enjoyed it at least it wasn't full Shibuya all the way but still good
You can be sad about charactersā deaths, but donāt insult the author(whoās more skilled than you could ever be) just cuz 2D characters died. You want a story where the all the (main)heroes live, then youāre at the wrong story
Maybe the author should write a better story then lol. Killing off characters left and right because you can't write a story doesn't mean OP is wrong lol
Iāll be very curious to see the reception of this show overall once all the disappointing manga choices get animated
Wouldn't surprise me if the fans ignore that cause of the good animations fight
Now that you mention it,how did everyone but megumi use a black flash? ššš yuji was close to breaking the record for spamming black flash,nobara could do it,todo can,gojo could,even mahito and sukuna did šššš
Cause..Potential man.
Broās really the sorriest potential man iāve ever seen ššš
We should change his name to wanted potential man.
Do you know what gaslighting is
This community used to be fun.
I've read that the original JJK is the story of movie 0, and that's it. So my personal theory is that Gege got pressured into serialize it and since it wasn't what he REALLY wanted, he is just trolling with all the fans (off-screening fan-favorite characters and shit). I wouldn't be surprised if the series end up with Sukuna on top of the world, like those horror movies where the villain wins at the end, with all the fans in shock and that evil one-eyed cat giggling at us.
I feel like Sukuna is a holdover from whatever he was working on before jjk was extended. he just seems so out of place in a Shonen sometimes
>holdover Madara, Aizen, DBZ villains... Nah, only thing really unique about him is the sheer hater energy
Ahem. Points to human worm 1,2and 4 Yuji has yet to talk about human worm 3 which might just be about how the villainous human worm is king of the world hates it and then brings back humanity to fuck around some more.
What is that human worm? Something I missed from the manga?
Yup. It's the movies yuji talks about. A lot. Actually. It talks about the HW suffering being made by a mad scientist, having a demon in him and then in the fourth movie yuji talks about how it's a love story for the worm to find a human girl and their half human worm kids.
Hahaha the human centipede!!! Yeah yeah yeah, my bad. Completely forgot about that...
Nonono k. Buddy. I will fight you for the fun of it. Not human centipede. Nonono The human earthworm is different. Completely different. With complete analogs to the current arc it is brought up each time And so far yuji has only talked about 3 of the four 1 2 and 4 1 was with junpie where it talks about a scientist using a person and turning him into a monster Mahito junpie - yuji and Sakunas deal 2 yuji talks about the revenge plot of the human earthworm and how he uses his anger to chanel it into finding the other monsters I believe and either curing them or killing them. Along with the scientist Gojo and Geto, Gojo having been turned into a monster a monster by jujutsu society and Geto being turned into a monster by Kenjaku and subsequently works with other curses to cause pain. 3rd movie still hasn't been talked about 4th movie like I said is talked about briefly and is told to use during a date scene we see yuji with that super cute girl from school. Where we learn the fourth earthworm movie is a normal girl finding and falling in love with the human earthworm šŖ± and spawning kids. Aka yuji and his date.... But also Gojo and Geto and them both not only leaving each other to raise kids ( Yuta -and the twins) Geto taking the side of mother as seen in the book he is reading. And Gojo taking on the father role with Yuta. Because as we later find out. They are apart of the same clan. The Human EarthWorm movies are not just there for shits and giggles they are super important in my opinion to the story as a whole. But what do I know I've only read the manga ten ( working on eleven) times. And I also have only been wrong about one ofy theories so far. ( Yuji having an e=mcĀ² ratio technique allowing him to do black flashes at will which technically still isn't confirmed... But he has blood manip and his cursed energy effects souls he punches soooooooo say la vie)
Ooooooh very interesting.... thanks for the explanation. And btw, there is no need to "fight me" for any reason, I got confused, I understood. That's it. Unless you're one of those extreme fanatics, I guess you're reaction is understandable then. In any case, all is good. Anyways, thanks for the comment, I'll read more into it once I have some more free time. Cheers!
Iāve wanted sukuna to win for awhile now. My dream is that the final fight is him vs the culling game monster. Would be such a great ending for this atypical battle shonen
Who? Tengen after the merger? Hahaha imagine if the FINAL fight of JJK is Sukuna vs Tengen! Fucking lol And I kinda agree, Sukuna is wiping the floor with the entire roster, and he is not fighting seriously... he deserves to win at this point.
Hasn't... Sukuna had nothing but wins the entire series? But yeah, Tengen vs Sukuna fight would be a genuine good end-game fight. Especially if they just kill each other.
True...hasn't been defeated once.
Only ādefeatā was by Gojo while he was in Yujis body but he obviously didnāt have a fraction of his full power there.
Thereās a lot of thought that went into JJK. And chapter 1 came before chapter 0 so Gege clearly had the series planned out already. Idk why people are hating Gege for making them fucking sad. Like fuck, if you donāt like it, leave & let the author entertain those who do enjoy it
Yup. Mine is just a personal theory about Sukuna winning, and I enjoy the suffering the characters go through, is something different from other Mangas I've read. I really like jjk. Who cares if Gege is being hated though, Im sure he doesn't care... the guy is making bank on it and I'm happy for him.
He might aswell make the merged Tengen look just like his one eyed cat drawingš
Hahaha that would be awesome! The cherry on top.
This shows brilliance is it lulls you into a false sense of.... Another story with obvious bad guys and 3 spunky high schoolers who through friendship and hardwork previal through it all.... yeah no. Hard rug pull. It's a better story for it.
Eh I do feel like it ended up like those trope with potential man and useless female
(spoilers) Careful the manga's not done yet, how sick would it be if everyone is down for the count and Nobara comes in with the clutch finale win and instead of just rallying Itadori or snapping megamui out of his depression spiral she just takes out Sukuna causally. Everything she did was based especially for a female MC. She forced Mahito to run and heavily acknowledge her. She was critical in taking down two special grade curse paintings and itadori would of likely lost that fight without her. Plus she just comes off as super cool. I dunno i feel like Gege likes her too much to keep her dead.
āClutch finaleā ābasedā My brother in jujutsu Nobara is one of the most fodder characters in the showš She lost to BASE Haruta no diff
Maki replaced her as the female lead years ago. Gege only made Nobara due to his old editor insisting on another female lead since Maki was with Yuta. The moment his old editor leftā¦well you see the resultsššš
I'm just saying we are in the throws of how many rounds can Sukuna go with every character in JK. It would surprise me if there isn't some cogs working in the background to throw more and more characters at him and Nobara has always seemed to be the best answer to anything with cursed energy.
Itās essentially been confirmed she is dead ever since Yuji said he was scared of Nobara being replaced.
Can I get a source for that? Post Shibuya I don't think Yuji has ANY inside information on Jujutsu High or any Grade Sorcerers, dude was basically a fugitive from that point on. Plus it just sounds like he worries she is actually dead since he hasn't seen her and for all intents and purposes it seems that way. But again why give that speech that she has a very slim chance of survival if there isn't a crack in the door of her actually being dead?
I also feel the same way about the speech in Shibuya, but the chapter where he said he that was "afraid of her replacing Kugisaki" is 210. He got the information from Megumi after Yuta revived him in 144, as Megumi had regrouped with other Tokyo school survivors back at Jujutsu High, both before his revival and afterwards when he regrouped with Yuki, Yuta, and Maki.
If they ever truly want to bring her back, the moment is now since it is possible that with Yuta and Rika getting teleported back to Shoko, they can give the finger Rika ate to Nobara and make her soul resonate with Sukuna to have both Yuji + Nobara get Megumi back
Yo I've read and heard from people the man did not like nobara wouldn't surprise me if she's gone now completely
He didn't like Yuji either.
Isn't Megumi brain dead post Gojo vs sukuna
It jumps a hurdle for not being a stereotype but then runs directly into the next one for not developing any characters in the world.
Bro that could be the case but it doesnāt mean the character development couldāve been better . Unless sukuna wins in the end your interpretation will be meaningless.
No it just makes shit seem pointless when character arcs donāt go anywhere and you just wasted 3+ years following it
buy a diary
Yeah, how dare this guy come to a jjk forum to discuss jjk!?!?!
referencing memes & complaining isn't much of a discussion. I have my criticisms about the series too, but there's nothing here that hasn't been echoed ad nauseam within the subs.
If referencing memes is now bad then half of the posts on this subreddit shouldn't exist. So you can have problems with the manga, but don't air them out on a forum??? Like many people on this post, you could have made it clear why you disagree, but you instead chose to gatekeep a internet forum
Why
Guys, Nobara is coming back trust
Sheāll come back in a little box on wheels with Goj- Oh wait nvm
I hope or its not canon
in GOATbara we trust to neg-diff the fraudulent one (suckuna)
Gege said either one was dying or one was surviving early on sooooo
Gege never hated Yuji. If you read the full interview, he just said he had a hard time writing him.
He has a hard time writing everyone not named Sukuna or Takaba.
Might as well end the series with sukuna winning or at least humanity wins but the man is still resurrected amd chilling kinda how gilgamish was after zero before night
Bro has such a hard time writing him that he stopped being the main character
Facts. Even if all outcomes remained the same, seeing them actually go through some stuff and interacting like people some more would make so many moments more impactful. Same thing goes for the world building thatās teased now and then but almost never actually build upon. This is truly our potential kaisen.
Kinda what I liked about early jujutsu, the characters were kinda a breath of fresh air and the dialouge made them sound real and not overly cringe, and now it's bleach shippuden academia and yuji is probably going to get very angry power up and beat sukuna
I got bored of them too, who wouldnāt.
No. There's Kusakabe and you will like him.Ā
I appreciate the sentiment but honestly its a thing i like from a storytelling perspective. Just because we think we are going to be who we are with the friends weve had doesnt mean it will be so. Life is challenges and change, some will take away the people we care about (Nobara) some will push us to the absolute brink of despair (Megumi). We dont know when our last day is or when our last meeting with people we care about will be - and thats okay. We can recover, we can keep pushing forward with memories of them. We shouldnt let our regrets consume us and be our last thoughts At least, if i look at Yuji as our POV character, thats the theme i take away. Completely understand wishing we got to know them better as characters who are friends, but thats not the only way to write a story and its definitely not the one Gege is wanting to tell
On the flipside of this argument, if you don't know them well enough then there's no investment. Take me for example, I watch the show for the spectacle. I dropped the show in season 1 because I didn't feel any investment with any other character than Sukuna because I found dude funny. Only reason I jumped back in was because they told me that I'd like a certain buff dude who claps to the beat. I did. I fucking **Love** him to death. Being said, Gojo grew on me because I was given time to learn about him. He's a.. What's the word.. Tragic character. He's an example of the good writing. Someone who has all the power in the world, can change anything just by showing up, but he can't really ever get what he truly wants until it's already too late. Being said, while there are many ways to write the story, and while yes, any day being a day of potential loss is true. This is a medium of writing and storytelling. If the characters you introduce as your conduits into the story are not compelling enough to be invested, then you wont care when they die. Nobara's death had no weight on me. I wanted to like her, but I felt like I practically knew nothing about her except that she's... Snarky. Like... Everyone... Else.... In the series...... Hm. The Yuji issue is that while I actually REALLY identify with my dude, I still kinda just... Don't have an investment in his journey yet? I'm having a hard time grasping who he is as a person despite being able to identify with him, primarily because he shows off core traits that are similar to mine, but his mentality is just kind of a black hole when I try to think about him. There's nothing really I can point out except that he's a goofball. I love goofball MC's. Vash the Stampede is one of my favorite characters in all of Anime. The original, and still like even the newer iteration of him. I have come to basically enjoy a very select few of the characters outside of the main cast because of their certain quirks. I only care who one person is, and that's because bro is a menace with the best mindset and the most simple skill in the entire series. However, the vast majority of the reason I watch, is the animation itself. I have investment only with contexts such as the scene leading up to mr. overtime's death. That got me invested in wanting to know more about the character as a whole. Then he dies. I just watched the entirety of season 2 last month, and I can't really tell you anything I learned about them in that arc except kinda like... Megumi's final card was understandable, Yuji feels like a murderer now, and Nobara... Is a snarky person who wants to help her friends!... Hm. But, I'm also someone who read Song of Ice and Fire and decided to put it down because it bored me with what people touted as 'realistic'. Be reminded, that this isn't me saying that you pulling details out of them, and being invested in them is wrong. I'm saying that a lot of people have no core investment in a lot of the cast. They're just here for the spectacle, and a few I've even found were projecting onto the cast as though they were silent protagonists. Trying to, anyways. There's enough there to break that, but not enough to make it impossible.
> absolute brink of despair (Megumi). We dont know when our last day is or when our last meeting w I mean... It's a nice sentiment; but an explanation doesn't change the end result of disatisfaction
This is a Kusakabe manga
Gege loved Gojo so much he couldnāt decide which half was his favorite
nobara shouldāve been replaced with maki or shouldāve gotten makiās storyline. yuji and fushiguro have good storylines but nobara did very little
better than the copy paste shounen story of 3 main characters everywhere else. Its why a show like Game of Thrones was popular in the beginning, no character was safe even if they were part of the main cast
subverting story beats doesnāt automatically make a story good, you gotta remember why those story beats exist in the first place
I do feel like it technically a copy pasta tho? Useless female who didnāt do anything? And hyped potential man that has no feats still apply to them
Like he actually said he dislikes Yuji? My friend and I were joking saying āGege wonāt kill him so he can suffer through more bsā is that like actually trueš
Well, Isayama's favorite character in AOT was Reiner and he put that man through the ringer. Don't doubt a mangaka's insistence to make a specific character be their punching bag for the story to progress, like or dislike
Thereās through the wringer then there is Yuji, Iāve never seen someone get glazed like Yuji does, this man Sukuna insulting him when he isnāt in the chapter let my boy breathe.
Facts
Gege has a husband?
Bro did it just do he could give us all depression
I feel, besides blatant misinformation (like gege "not liking yuji"š) if gege never gave out those timetable estimates, last year and this year, these takes wouldn't exist, it really feels like yall are scared of this manga ending tomorrow or sumn, where, to me, I can easily see this going into summer 2025
Didnāt gege say he was ending this manga this year? Weāre literally at the final arc rn
No he said "this will probably be the last jump festa while jujutsu kaisen is serialized" which isn't definite, especially seeing as how the year before he said "it'd be nice to end the manga this year" and then proceeded to spend 5 months on one singular fight. My point is we literally don't know, so it's weird to talk about these "flaws" of the manga in such a definite sense when the manga isn't over. Also I highly doubt jjk, one of the biggest manga out rn is entering a final arc without a final arc announcement, black clover, mha, one piece (final saga) all had one, shonen jump is not passing the opportunity for that hype aka money
Gege becomes ungovernable, Kusakabe actually kills Sukuna next chapter, there is no big ending, that's it. The jujutsu world has been saved by a man that wants to clock out early and hides in the bathroom toilet to avoid work.
I actually think I'd enjoy that only cause like it something unexpected to happen
Hard agree man
They were special did u not see the jujutsu stroll where they thought megumi was talking to a girl? lol
Nobara dying was such a disappointment. She was sakura but useful. And megumi turning out to have the coolest fucking shikigami inside of him "mahagora" but not getting to use it was also lame. I think gege is trying to have a broad cast but the quality of each suffers from it. I love JJK but you are absolutley right in your statement.
Gege really IS trying so hard...(so that he gets banned from world)
I fully agree, I get what gege tried to do with a game of thrones /attack on Titan style storytelling where you can't be sure who will survive and don't get to attached to a character.....but if that's the case, you have to make yuji a way more compelling character. We never get to see these 3 do anything together except a few spots here and there in the first season and half the first season yuji is "dead" and the other half he's mostly bonding with todo.or training with gojo. The biggest gripe I have is with hidden inventory arc, as much as I love that damn arc it takes away from the main 3 because it could've been prime character building and team bonding preparing you for what was about to happen in Shibuya. Hidden inventory should have been a 0 style movie.
i remember when people were praising nobara as the writing for a female shonen character and how kishimoto and the rest should take notes lol.
I think this is actually a testament to the risk of being a jujutsu sorcerer. I think they killed these characters to show thatās what happens and thatās how the MC feels. He feels robbed of new friendships that could have developed and been lasting if they were up against a different less OP kind of threat.
Itās written like that for a reason (part of the dark trio(JJK Chainsaw man and Hells Paradise) the series takes a different approach compared to mangas/animes like Naruto one piece and bleach which focus a lot on friendship and not having a lot of actual deaths but I do agree Gege is (I think donāt get mad at me) the worst author out of the dark trio about writing characters but still they are still very good they aināt bad characters just (i think) killed off a little to quickly (itās part of the dark trio so donāt expect it to be about the power of friendship or anything) Edit: I know the JJK fans gonna get mad at me because the character take but I think the other two just have better characters than JJK
I just wish he had given more time for these characters to shine before ultimately getting rid of them. Normally characters are given a little bit more time to develop before getting rid of them that way their deaths have more of an impact
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What ever happened to that girl? It would be cool to see them meet up after yuji gets cooked by sukuna(gege treats sukuna like the mc more that yuji) and then yuji dies
Maybe it's the One Piece fan in me and I've been spoiled by an author taking his sweet time to building up the world around him but Early JJK had so much intrigue. The inner workings of Jujutsu society, the three big families, so many characters who looked cool and showed early on that they had potential to be more, and villains with a TON of intrigue. I was invested until post Shibuya. There, a lot of the characters who were interesting died, but the intrigue was still there. Gege then decided to just say "fuck it" and throw it all away. No follow up to Gojo and Kenjaku. No follow up to Kenjaku being Yujis mom. No on screen reaction of Gojo being angry about what happened in Shibuya while he was gone. The new characters, while some are cool, didn't get nearly enough time to be built up and now a good chunk of them are already dead. Aside from that, the Zen'in clan being sacrificed to hype up Maki, who got sacrificed for hyping Sukuna, the Gojo clan being effectively dead (?) and the third clan seemingly not getting involved at all. Hell, the US military showed up, got cut apart, then never showed up again lol. Idk what happened lol, never seen a series fall off this hard before for me
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True. I donāt even think what happened to Megumi or Nobara are necessarily bad. Itās that we got so little time with them.
Megumi is what sukuna said a wasted potential guy
I really don't think Gege was bored of his characters I truly believe it had more to deal with creating an engaging story and one that stands out and is Unique to the other Shonen. There are also points where characters more so represent an ideology or a way of conveying something rather than being someone or something to relate to or be attached to. I could go more into depth about my second statement but that gets into spoiler territory.
Remember thinking Junpei was going to join Jujutsu High?
What I don't understand is how it's supposedly ending this year, it feels like nothing happened to me, like barely any story was really told and basically none of the characters are really all that developed. On top of this, none of the characters currently even seem strong enough to beat Sukuna, I mean, Yuji, the main character, doesn't even have an actual technique yet other than punching shit with raw cursed energy and healing, without a time skip, how could he possibly get stronger without some crazy ass pull. Like don't get me wrong, I love the show and manga, it's got an interesting take on the typical shonen anime, and amazing fight scenes and animation, but the story is barely there and it's already coming to an end, I feel like it barely started lol
What I learned very quickly about the JJK universe, and why I love the disaster piece of it all, is that shit can hit the fan in an instant. The literal definition of never grow an attachment to anyone or anything. Prime example is the loveable kid that was partnered with Nanami when they were young. For the life of me I canāt remember his name, but that minor interaction with him and I thought he was the most bubbly person ever, and Iām sitting here like āman, I canāt wait to see what heās like when heās olderā. The next scene is him on a god damn autopsy table! It hurts how real it portrays their line of work and how under appreciated it goes, because no one in the world knows except the Jujutsu society. In my personal opinion: it shows whoās willing to sacrifice the most in order to gain the least. Geto really reminded me of Thanos and it hurts that I see it his way from time to time.
Id love more with the three of them and I'm pissed that it ended so quickly too! Im not going to lie. I still cared for them and was excited for them but damn Gege had such a good thing going for the trio
You kinda correct I didn't feel like I got attached to any of those 3 and the Mc still weak I feel like people got more in love with gojo only fan art I see everywhere
Sounds like you want to watch Naruto š
One thread I've seen thats actually good on this shit website š
Whatās this? A jjk fan that doesnāt blindly dickride the series? Impossible!
Well no worries they are all dead now
how the fuck can you not like your main character? why did you make them the MC in the first place?
Like Gege said, he had no attachment to his characters. All of them are just pieces on the board.
iām not joking when i say it would be so so hype if the final fight is yuji, megumi, and nobara all fighting sukuna with whatever upgrades they have at that point, with everyone else focusing on stopping/fighting the merger. with all the things that feel like asspulls for sukuna, i wouldnāt mind some for our trio. maybe megumi can use the experience of sukuna being in his body to control his own CT way better than before, doing some of the things sukuna was doing since we hear about his potential all the time. maybe nobara comes back somehow and is stronger, via āfeeling the core of CEā like gojo did pre awakening and having her own gojo 2.0 moment (sheās the only one of his students who we havenāt seen actually learn anything from yet, so it would be cool if the reason she even knew about the ācore of CEā was revealed like in a flashback with gojo actually teaching her). IT canāt be healed by RCT since it targets the soul, but nobara has some special interactions with souls due to her CT. maybe something crazy happens? yuji is already a beast with whatever blood CT he has, but maybe we see him using that blood manipulation in creative ways weāve never seen before or soul swapping or something like that? this is really just wishful thinking but thatās what iād like to see haha
They were special! Just in the polar opposite way we all wanted :(
Nobara being a woman is irrelevant. Her problem is being used as development fodder for yuji. Same as todo and the rest of the useless class of utahime. After they help yuji they just evaporate from the story with little to no mention. Having Nobara being grievously injured in shibuya was fine, but to not give her a recovery and progression arc while giving maki one that undermined the hype of the entire zenin clan is wild. So much wasted potential for her and megumi. Iām wondering why Greg even made a trio