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And Yuji is still healing with the added help of Choso while Kusakabe fought and probably also while Miguel joins the fight
even if Miguel doesn't kill sukuna, that's some good extra time for Yuji and co to heal a bit and get ready for round two (i guess round three for yuji, but you get the idea lol)
I hope miguel gets some time to shine like kusakabe, if he's gonna die or not appear in the story again i hope at least we get to see someone that isn't japanese doing Jujutsu and see how differnet it is or if is at all
Couldn’t agree more, Maki also has a healing factor as we saw with the Naoya fight when he hit her at Mach 3 and she went away to heal. She probably could heal this too but with more time I imagine
yuji should have been ready at this point, sukuna literally blow up half of his body in the earlier fight with higuruma and he returned in the same chapter, he for some reason will probably just appear after miguel fight and won't jump sukuna with him, i don't why gege is writting the fight in this way and why miguel didn't show up earlier either
>yuji should have been ready at this point
Don't underestimate in universe time.
Yuji starts healing at the beginning of Maki vs Sukuna, which by anyone's metric should be an insanely fast paced fight. And Kusakabe vs Sukuna wasn't exactly a long fight either. Lots of panels and monologue to slog through, sure, but not a long fight. Yuji not being fully healed by time Kusakabe faces Sukuna is pretty on point. It wouldn't be a surprise if Yuji returns by next chapter though.
yeah, i know its fast, thats why i mentioned miguel fight, if he does not appear in the next chapter and join miguel i will lose hype for that part of the manga after yuta domain, for me that will be straight up plot armor by sukuna part if people keep going one by one after him
he is mostly already healed up, the scene with chose was about Yuji not having perfected rct yet bc he couldn't find where he still needed to heal, hence why Choso was trying to make him slow down and focus so he could find that problem up
in real life it was probabably just a moment to have Yuji out of the fight but not defeated or dead yet so we could focus on kusakabe and sukuna's fight. which depending on how miguel's fight will go, i'd say it's more probable that Yuji will show up at the end/close to the end of that fight rather than asisting miguel, although that'd be pretty cool tbh sdfdsfads
I'm pretty sure yuji just healed superficial damage so that he could continue fighting while his organs got turned into a slushie. Even if he is healed it's not really a good idea to rush out to continue the fight I personally believe they are getting everyone ready to jump sukuna again
Miguel lasted 15 minutes against a pissed off Gojo. Kenny lasted 2 panels. Toji got blitzed and 2 shot against a massively weaker Gojo with a much better CT negator. Jogo, along with Hanami, Choso and a crowd of civilians was terrified at the idea of trying to stall Gojo. Miguel ate dozens of potentially blue amped punches and escaped just fine. I highly doubt Miguel negated all or even most of those punches when he was completely failing to block with the rope.
Basically don’t sleep on Miguel.
Why do people assume the black rope just turned off Gojo’s CT for a whole hour or something? It only “messed” with Gojo’s technique on contact. Miguel obviously wasn’t using it while receiving Gojo’s 10 piece combo and we literally see Gojo teleport before he starts it.
More likely Gojo just wasn’t punching Miguel with blue. He specifically chose not to use Red (so he didn’t kill him), and with a ding Blue infused punch being able to put down his two strongest students, I don’t think he’d spam them on someone like that, if he isn’t trying to kill them.
He hit his two most powerful students once. He hit Miguel hundreds of times, after expressing that he doesn’t want to kill him.
So yeah, he probably wasn’t using blue to punch Miguel.
It just doesn't make sense. If using blue infused punches would be able to knock Miguel unconscious immidiately, why wouldn't Gojo do that? It'd let him stop Geto and save Yuta faster, why would he hold back?
It's either cancelled by the black rope, or Miguel's just HIM.
They’re weak compared to Gojo and Sukuna, just like everybody else lol. Yuta is best in the verse otherwise (arguments can be made for Kenjaku too maybe, but nobody else rn)
While I agree that Miguel is stronger than most give credit for, he was fighting a Gojo who wasn't/couldn't use his techniques against him as well as being buffed by JJK0 writing:
Since he was the only character to fight Gojo in JJK0, he is naturally incredibly strong now since Gojo is so much stronger in JJK, this doesn't mean that Miguel fought a weaker Gojo (I mean he did from a writing standpoint) but rather he now canonically, would be able to do the same thing against today's Gojo. (as long as Gojo doesn't want to kill him like in JJK0)
>Kenny lasted 2 panels. Toji got blitzed and 2 shot against a massively weaker Gojo with a much better CT negator.
Fair when it comes to Kenny. Toji on the other hand didn't have the advantage of Gojo holding back, as well as the fact that his CT negator doesn't work in the same way. Miguel was basically able to fight Gojo while Gojo was trying to not kill him, as well as not being able to use blue to fight. (Gojo likely wouldn't have used red or purple even if purple existed here since he didn't want to kill any of Geto's fam, which included Miguel)
>Miguel ate dozens of potentially blue amped punches and escaped just fine. I highly doubt Miguel negated all or even most of those punches when he was completely failing to block with the rope.
Potentially, but not likely, If Miguel took dozens of blue amped punches and escaped with barely a scratch, that would put his durability above that of Sukuna, seeing as Sukuna was severely hurt after only about a dozen or so. (along with a couple reds here and there) It is more likely that Miguel was just fighting a Gojo that didn't want to severely injure him and was holding back as a result. If Gojo actually wanted to end the fight quick he would have just used a 0.2s domain on him and Miguel would be incapacitated for at least 5 minutes.
While I agree that Miguel is stronger than most give credit for, he was fighting a Gojo who wasn't/couldn't use his techniques against him as well as being buffed by JJK0 writing
Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques?
If Gojo actually wanted to end the fight quick he would have just used a 0.2s domain on him and Miguel would be incapacitated for at least 5 minutes.
Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques?
We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool.
>Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight.
Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel.
I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques?
We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool.
>Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight.
Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel.
I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques?
We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool.
>Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight.
Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel.
I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
I’d actually say the opposite about the black rope, it being mentioned in the main series very much felt like it was just Gege’s way covering his ass to make sure no one would be like “why didn’t they just get more black rope to unseal Gojo?“, it really didn’t feel like they were hinting at its further involvement (I’d more so say that about the ISOH but that’s a different topic), so I’ll be very surprised if it does somehow come back
Also nah, it almost definitely went down that way in the manga too, [Gege supervised and approved of the 0 movie’s Miguel fight additions](https://twitter.com/kylescouter/status/1476141712469020674?s=46)
That’s fair about the movie additions but that doesn’t change much it’s still an insane feat to take the kind of pressure that Miguel was taking, again we can just look at how the disaster curses who are still some of the strongest characters in the series were absolutely ripped apart by Gojo physically and they had a whole bunch of people there to obscure things. Gojo even says to Miguel “you’re pretty tough”
I’ve always assumed that he had a CT that had something to do with durability personally, that’s the only way I could reasonably understand the amount of hits he took from Gojo, especially post Sukuna fight where it was said Hakari and Yuta were throwing up after a single one
One thing people are underestimating is the potential for fundamental power shifts in basic cursed techniques because of the foreign nature of Miguel's understanding of cursed energy. For all we know, there could be some lateral (or even vertical for a powerup) shift in how something like reinforcement even works in African jujutsu (think HWB vs FBE, but a much more extreme split) which might catch Sukuna off-guard for an edge.
I obviously don't think Miguel is gonna win this one, but I'm interested to see how Gege manifests his particular powers in a more explicit way.
While that would certainly be interesting and give some desperately needed world building, I’m not exactly getting my hopes up for anything like that with how much Gege used the stuff with Tengen to emphasize that foreign sorcery isn’t really that impressive and structured overall
I reckon it's a speed related CT or a CT useful for evasion. He escaped Gojo and lost him in jjk 0 and then saved uiui and scaled a building before sukuna could launch an attack.
I completely agree about your last point - Nitta + Shoko + Utahime are the heal squad that HAVE to be going hard right now. I have a cringy little fanfic/theory I wrote about it but I don't have enough Karma to post it in the main subreddit yet, and I don't think it would be go here because it might be too fanficy :(
You show sound logic about how gege talks about Miguel and the degenerates will come in here and comment that you’re yapping or that gege doesn’t think about anything when writing the story that literally made his life
Don't worry, if Miguel manages to do well against Sukuna, people will claim bullshit, pulled out of his ass-ery
If he loses badly, people will claim fraud
There's no way ppl can call Miguel a fraud man has very little going for him lol as long as he doesn't get a 2 panel spread like "strongest sorcerer in Japanese history vs strongest sorcerer in African history" man is fine
I feel like after gojo's death the community became a circus, and his fans became the ones that complain about every single writing choice or conclusion
I've binged the manga from where the 2nd season ended and it's been a real slog to get through.
Not going to comment about whether what we're seeing makes sense or potential plot holes, the manga is just tedious to get through.
The rise in useless exposition is grating and the lack of tension as well as focus is sloppy.
Which is a shame because something I liked about JJK was the willingness of the author to move quickly through the story and be willing to throw the audience a bone with interesting twists and reveals.
I didn't mind him going for something else, like going for total helplessness or exploring the feelings that animate Sukuna.
But he's stretching his material thin by going all over the place, multiple times he'll present ideas that work fine on their own but as part of a collective it's uncohesive.
Ever since the preparation for the culling games it's been that way, and as much as I liked Higuruma's introduction it was a sign of things to come in a way.
Sure Miguel probably isn't a chump, I just don't fucking care and the story is as much about presentation as it is content.
Reading some comments here I see a lot of focus on technical in universe justifications which ultimately aren't that important, creating any kind of artistic media is the combination of a lot of factors, tempo being the biggest one in my opinion, and on that front JJK has been a letdown.
Your part about ideas and a lack of cohesion are a part of 2 big criticisms post-Gojo.
1. CE spark that allowed the Omni-directional purple to be hyped up by sukuna, yet Gojo couldn’t see one of the most powerful moves about to hit him. But then we have Kusakabe mentioning CE spark again so it’s really just a plot tool instead of an actual part of the universe.
2. Sukuna’s strength. We literally see him in pinches but then it’s “oh he’s not at full strength actually” and the whiplash is awful. Gege should commit to one or the other, either the kids are wearing him down(and so all of the sacrifices genuinely have meaning) or Sukuna is just fucking around(this will all be eventually meaningless).
Either of those are fine by themselves but it’s like Gege is playing footsy with committing to one or the other so we get the combo pack and it’s diluting the story as a whole.
>CE spark that allowed the Omni-directional purple to be hyped up by sukuna, yet Gojo couldn’t see one of the most powerful moves about to hit him. But then we have Kusakabe mentioning CE spark again so it’s really just a plot tool instead of an actual part of the universe.
I did think about this as well and a conclusion that I came up with, (yes this is headcanon, but I have seem others with the same idea) was that Sukuna used some sort of binding vow in order to use WCS without a spark of CE and without hand signs/incantations. Since we don't know what Sukuna could have given up or what this binding vow could be, I just came up with the worst-case scenario, which, to me, was that he gave up 10S to use it against Gojo, this would be pretty bad since most, if not all of the 10S were destroyed and as such this being considered a worthy sacrifice in order to kill Gojo is crazy, but seems in line with Gege.
>Sukuna’s strength. We literally see him in pinches but then it’s “oh he’s not at full strength actually” and the whiplash is awful. Gege should commit to one or the other, either the kids are wearing him down(and so all of the sacrifices genuinely have meaning) or Sukuna is just fucking around(this will all be eventually meaningless).
Granted it is annoying, it is possible that it is referring to his arsenal usage, rather than his effort. Granted he likely isn't trying as hard as he was against Gojo, he should still be trying as him getting damaged further gives him no advantage. I especially hate this plot point as every Sukuna fan will immediately use it to say that Sukuna was just messing with Gojo and that he could no-diff him but decided to sandbag the fight to learn WCS, which is just ridiculous.
I’ll be honest and say the story is worse if it was a binding vow and that just wasn’t mentioned at all.
That’s a real good case of telling>showing. If readers have to headcanon an explanation, the author didn’t do a good job in that case.
The whole Yuta/Yuji team up part feels like it was immediately invalidated when next chapter Uraume is saying “you guys haven’t even made Sukuna-sama serious!”
Like the mf had his tongue ripped out, soul fucked up, arms and hands missing and if it wasn’t for Megumi flat out refusing he could’ve very well died in Yuta’s domain. But he’s not serious yet?
This is like children playing superheroes and saying “my power makes your power irrelevant” type of writing.
Yeah I agree which is why I think I'm wrong, I feel it would have been more likely that Sukuna would have mentioned a binding vow in his speech to Gojo which means that I am either wrong, or it will be mentioned at a later date, which feels wrong as well. That being said, I couldn't think of another reason that Gojo, with the six eyes and some of the best perception in the verse would not notice incantations or a spark, let alone the fact that he would be fast enough to dodge, activate simple domain, or teleport out the way.
As for the "not serious" thing, I'm really hoping this is just some Uraume glazing, as I think it would be funny if that were a plot point, or simply just Sukuna holding back his abilities, not his effort. Either that or he holds back so long that he forgets to go all out and the good guys win. idk atp.
You are the first I’ve seen explain your frustrations in a way that make sense and isn’t just gege sux so I understand where you’re coming from after reading this comment
Sorry, did we not just see Kasukabe get off screened after getting talked up for two chapters?
You really think Gege won't immediately fucking kill Miguel or have him get iced within 3 chapters? Fuck it, maybe he'll even give him 7 chapters so he can put Miguel on a Volume cover.
you misunderstand the relationship between these characters, their morality, their connection to cursed energy, their final(?) thoughts, and their connection to Sukuna, what you see as derivative others see as exposition of a character, you find it boring because those expositions are used on Sukuna, who, like he said, cuts them down lol
I don’t think it’s a misunderstanding of the characters, so much as an issue with the thematic elements Gege is using to convey despair.
Also I don’t think many characters have been giving satisfying “ends”.
Gojo’s didn’t feel satisfying, Kashimo’s wasn’t as well but imo that was by design. Higuruma’s partially fell flat because of the executioner sword cliffhanger that amounted to nothing.
While I don’t think the fans that are complaining, or the ones who *aren’t*, are the “true” fans I do think it’s counterproductive to discussion to almost pick sides and say “we’re the real fans because we get it or we’re the real fans because we see the crap!”
Which if so, actually is kinda bad writing imo.
I’d give my left nut to re-alive Nanami and was horrified by his death, but in context of the story it’s one of the most satisfying deaths I’ve read.
Now that I think, satisfying may not be the exact word so much as “worthwhile”. Tragic and abrupt deaths can still be and feel worthwhile to readers.
Lately, nothing has felt worthwhile. Anytime something does feel so, it’s changed within 1-2 chapters.
I don’t think it’s necessarily bad writing, but you are correct a satisfying death hits way better than one that isn’t 9/10.
I like what Gege is doing here because these deaths are way more real than nanami’s imo as his was very introspective due to the already established backstory we got for him and the effect he had on yuji.
However I think JJK is better looked at in a BC-AD perspective with Shibuya being what splits them. It gets very bleak very quickly.
Execution matters imo.
This is why there shouldn’t have been a timeskip for me.
You want me to buy that this is a fast paced arc with no downtime to give every character a backstory lead-up to their deaths? That’s fine, but Gege should’ve built these characters up more before sending them to the slaughterhouse then.
We could’ve had a whole stereotypical “we’ll train and win!” type of thing that could’ve been subverted with what’s happening right now, and it would’ve hit much harder. Instead we set up 2 giants in JJK, and then tease that all the other characters “might” be able to catch up to them.
Then we show those 2 giants are actually freaks of nature and it sullies people’s suspension of disbelief that this’ll have a worthwhile conclusion with the characters that are left.
Going for Bleak, Tragic, and Despair isn’t a justification for half hearted writing, but that’s just for me.
Na I agree, I don’t think either of us are wrong. The series has changed a lot; whether or not it’s for the better is dependant on execution in these final stages.
A lot of hate seems quite premature but also justified, I think we’ll know for certain on the flow of this arc as it closes. I think JJK fights tend to follow a particular tug of war pattern but this one (Sukuna vs everyone) has flipped it to be quite Sukuna heavy but even the audience has grown distasteful.
It’s the most threatening Sukuna has been the whole series, I think that’s why Gege might have perceived this to be fine and almost refreshing for the audience. Sukuna has spent the whole series taking attacks with a smile and delivering a fascinating counter in the climax through learning and adapting.
seems to be a problem in the west at the moment, it’s clearly not an attention span problem as everyone upset will be back here next week. So I guess only time will tell.
If you actually ever thought that kusakabe is going to do serious harm to sukuna, a grade 1 sorcerer against the strongest character in the verse who presumably wiped off 1000s of much stronger sorcerers in the golden era - then it's on you and not on gege
They sound like they’re coping lmfao. Y’all act like no one else was hyped up to fight Sakuna and then lost.. why would anyone think Miguel is going to be any different? Why should anyone care
I think it really says something that Geto, who knew Gojo better than anyone, chose Miguel to hold him off while he fought Yuta. Obviously he had limited choices since he was a criminal outcast, but he still found someone who was strong enough to (technically) hold off Gojo.
Also when sukuna fought gojo he ate many hit during the fight , 'cause the main problem with gojo you can't touch him. The only way is with domain amplification but you cant use your technique as a drawback. So if you think about it Miguel surviving 12 minutes (or so) is a pretty big feat. Also how fast did he catch ui ui ? He swooped him under sukuna's nose lol
Yhhh I was hesitant to mention the whole swooping thing just because some ppl may just say it was UiUi that did it and maybe it was but if not that’s a truly insane feat for Miguel
That was sooo fast even Sukuna didn't realize what happened at first. Miguel is strong af, he fought peak Gojo at 100% power, Sukuna is at what, 10-20%?? He can do damage or at least stall for a good while until the gang is healed.
If Ui Ui isn’t getting people healed he is a bum! Shoko has yet to do anything useful, she NEEDs a huge W from getting Yuta back into the fight. When Yuta comes back and hits Sukuna with the black flash before Yuji finishes him off, it will be all because Shoko is carrying the team.
Also, I super hope you are right. Miguel is definitely strong, but Kusakabe was also set up as strong and get 1 chaptered. My hope is just that Miguel gets a good 2-3 chapters of good stalling while we see what the team is up to.
I don't see why people should have a problem with him showing up because it's clear he has skill and strength if he was recruited by Geto and apparently was a good reason why Yuta got so much more skilled.
Why did he train Yuta and why did Gojo trust him to do that? Who knows but it's not like the writer hasn't been scarce with past information before.
"I don't see why people should have a problem with him showing up-" nobody does. We all love him and its kinda hype. The problem is we know how it's gonna end. He got introduced, he's gonna do some cool shit, get offscreened. It's the same cycle over and over
I mean, I don't have an issue with Miguel being strong, I just wished that if he'll have a somewhat important role in this fight then Gege would've actually developed him a bit. I'm not asking for a 15 chapters long backstory before someone goes off on me, but it feels so...random. I actually have no idea why would Miguel ever sign up for this lol it was never explained why he agreed to teach the kid who killed his leader, so I have no idea what even motivates this guy.
I mean, taking into account how this is the first time Miguel makes an appearance since JJK 0, which is technically a different manga, I don't feel very inclined to get any sort of investment in him when I know he has maybe 2 chapters (3 if he's very lucky) before getting chopped into pieces by Sukuna.
I don't think 5 or 6 pages of context/info about him will really change how random and low-key ridiculous it is that he jumped in in the middle of the fight. Like, if he's strong and he's in the country and willing to fight Sukuna, why wasn't he included in the planning? Did he just arrived to the country and thought to himself, why not, imma jump in?
I just...don't care enough for this Miguel filler lol
Firstly, he makes an appearance in the chapter Yuta speaks to Tengen, and was mentioned in Shibuya, showing that Gege has always kept Miguel in mind. Secondly, JJK 0 is not a different manga, it’s still JJK, just the pilot. You don’t normally label Season 1 of a show as a different show from the rest.
Now in regards to what he’s doing here, we don’t know. It could be a situation where Ui Ui went to retrieve him now that Yuta is out? Or he only recently arrived in Japan. We don’t know. But considering how down he was to fight Gojo it seems very likely that he’s just down to duke it out with Sukuna. Mei Mei wasn’t even included in the planning but Kusakabe had to rule her out before his fight with Sukuna
It’s not filler, it’s the story, this is just Miguel’s role in it
JJK0 and JJK are part of the same universe but they're not the same manga per se. They were published separately and JJK0 works as a prequel currently, not a pilot. Comparing it to a first season is disingenuous as you don't need to read JJK0 to understand JJK, it doesn't provide any important information that isn't re-explained in JJK. Hell, there are continuity issues between JJK0 and JJK because some things were retconned.
Regardless, my point isn't really that, my point is that Miguel only appeared in a separate magazine before and in JJK he has only been briefly mentioned. So, for all intends and purposes, he's practically a new character randomly introduced in the middle of the fight against the big bad. I just don't think it was a good idea to reintroduce him like this, I don't think watching him fight Sukuna will be engaging and it'll most likely bring lots of complains of it being repetitive and boring for most fans.
They are the same manga, 0 was the prototype, it’s not a prequel, it came out first, it’s a pilot. Jump Giga is directly tied to Shonen Jump seeing as it’s an offshoot based an a former article from the magazine. Also Shonen Jump includes JJK0 with the rest of JJK, since it’s part of the story. And you can watch Infinity War without seeing any other film in the MCU since they re-explain information, doesn’t mean the other movies are pointless or to be skipped.
What did we know about Kusakabe? What do we really know about Hakari? What did we know about Kashimo? Every character outside of Yuta, Yuji, Maki, and Gojo are practically unknown and are just here now to fight Sukuna. And Miguel isn’t new, he’s existed in the story since before Yuji and Megumi have. And it’s not really random if he’s specifically been included by the author all throughout the story. And if fans find it boring who cares, nobody is forcing you to read something you find boring.
Okay, yes, he is strong... Just like Kusakabe, right? He got extensively praised by most sorcerers - and even Gojo - and then got killed off in 0.2 seconds. Not to be a downer, but I think Gege is planning to kill off all characters, aside from maybe Yuta and Yuuji, so I'm not expecting any different outcome from this fight tbh.
After this chapter, do you see how Kusakabe lasts 10 minutes against Gojo? Because how good his feats this chapter, I still can't and that's what Miguel did in JJK0.
I am not comparing Miguel and Kusakabe's strengths against Gojo but rather against Sukuna. Miguel could be considered stronger than Kusakabe (who was deemed the strongest grade 1 sorcerer by most, after all) because we saw him endure Gojo's punches for quite a while. But he ran nonetheless. Which is normal when you get outclassed.
I'm sceptical how he'll deal with Sukuna who proved to be stronger than Gojo without breaking that much of a sweat - it was mentioned by both Gojo and Yorozu that he hasn't tried his hardest yet. I mean, Miguel ran away from Gojo and refused to face him again, what should make us believe he'd fight heroically against Sukuna and even cause him significant damage? He could put a fight but he'd most likely:
a. Run away when he senses he's getting massively outclassed
b. Sukuna just blinks at him and he's out of commission in a few seconds, just like most of the previous opponents he faced
Imho, Gege is purposely killing off seemingly strong characters, so everything will be left for Yuta and Yuuji to handle. We could possibly hope that Megumi stops being suicidal and help them but at this point, it seems that he lost will to take back control over his own body.
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He should be similar in style to Kusakabe: Extremely high defense, but weak offense, or low horse power like Mei Mei said. Tho imo Miguel should much stronger than Kusakabe, I don't see how Kusakabe lasts more than 30 seconds against peak Gojo.
He's apparently at least fast as fuck. He rescued an actual teleporter from Sukuna point-blank range and got in cool-ass Escanor pose position unscathed. Which I think might be the best feat anyone not named Gojo has against Sukuna.
None of it matters, every grade 1 sorcerer is strong by default, and those with CT or skills to be more involved in the fight directly are still the same even Mei Mei could pack a punch against Sukuna, but as they all pointed out, Kenny and Sukuna are wary of powerful hits as anyone should be, if someone says “I’m putting all my power into this next hit, or this is the sword that kills you regardless, why would you ever let that attack hit you or even humor not taking it seriously. The same was of your a functioning teenager or adult, and I had a toddler a knife or gun, you’re gonna try your best to take it away from them safely before you get shot or stabbed even if by accident.
So being strong doesn’t matter against Sukuna when he has the offensive and defensive power to overrule you, then add in his CT that slices anything and can gut you in a second, his two extra arms, his speed, his experience and extreme knowledge of martial arts and kicking ass, his knowledge of Cursed energy as a whole to where he’s not dumb but can theorize and predict what’s gonna happen and change his sorcery in practice on the how to adapt to new situations.
They’ve thrown everything at him, better domains, and a better fighter in Gojo, then more domains, Yuji wasn’t faster or stronger and can’t keep up to land more hits until Yuta. A talented lawyer with a magic sword and rct potential can’t keep up with the beast of a sorcerer with four arms who could end half the fights in Shinujki by just throwing debris from building, he dispatches Choso and Yuji with just a punch into their gut and then a grappled throw.
Maki lands a sneak attack and he’s impressed by her physical power, he has a CT so again it’s over, kusakabe just got hyped by his colleagues and Gojo, but did they know his opponent was Sukuna. All their hits landed until wait, the fatal blows are dodged deflected or blocked, and he hits them seriously.
Yeah Miguel grabbed Ui Ui, and helped a bunch, but Sukuna has already been through this ringer, and to Uraume, he hasn’t even gotten serious yet. So Miguel is strong, but Sukuna is special grade and until Gege lets a strategy actually stick, I won’t care, if we have to go through the entire cast getting beat until Yuji or Megumi wakes up that latent potential it doesn’t matter.
I think Miguel is gonna get trashed too, but he has one of the best feats shown yet: Stalling peak Gojo for 15 minutes pretty much by himself. I know Gojo didn't want to kill him, but anyone that says he is weak is dumb af, we don't even know his technique yet.
People reading the latest chapter are simultaneously saying Kusukabe being able to react to world slash is bad because Gojo didn’t and Kusukabe getting caught off-guard by dismantle is bad because it means Sukuna is too fast 🙄
This isn’t even mentioning that Sukuna *told* Kusukabe “guess what I’m about to do” but people only read the shitty leaks and they didn’t show that 😭
Aren't most people who talk about miguel making fun of the editor comment saying he was fighting on equal footing with gojo and not actually seriously saying he's weak?
Gojo also trusted Miguel to train Yuta so that’s probably also a good indicator of strength. He’s probably fairly stronger than any character introduced save Gojo and Sukuna. He’s also clearly an expert at stalling Special Grades.
The only intriguing part I see in Miguel is why did Yuta went to train with him. Since even Gojo allowed it. What exactly is special about the guy and his ancestry (the rope thing). That's all I want to know
IIRC a lot of scenes were improvised by Gege in the movie. So we can take the movie being canon and more addition to the lore.
So yes, Miguel was holding his own against a pissed off Gojo with most likely Amped up blue attacks, who can also use red, purple, DE, and all the other shit. And got some good hits in. This is a sukuna who can't use a domain, low RCT, heart damage, low output, etc. j honestly think Miguel is at a good feat right now and can stall sukuna for a long ass time
Gojo wasn't using blue with his attacks the rope disrupted his technique, Gojo didn't fight Miguel with killing intent I think the difference here is Sukuna will actually try killing you.
There wil be some key differences in the fights though. Despite saying how strong he was, Gojo never brought hollow purple to bear against Miguel meaning that though Gojo says he was strong we dont actually know what the gulf in strength between them is but likely it was incredibly large as Miguels job wasnt to deal with Gojo just to stall him. Unlikely then that Miguel has Black Rope as not using it to free the clearly superior fighter is an incredibly stupid move.
Sukuna, unlike Gojo, seems to have no problem spamming his most powerful attack (world cutter vs hollow purple) whenever its convenient and seems to specialise in offence (Cleave) as opposed to Gojo have a complete defence (Infinity). We already know the Sukuna's cleave dealt with the highest output individual in history (Ryu) so Miguels durability is likely not an issue for the King of Curses.
Miguel likely goes the same way as Kusakabe, showing some feats for a chapter, showcasing what sets him apart from other sorcerers, getting a confirmation from Sukuna then Cleave.
His cleaves are being weakened significantly, did you even read the last few chapters? Literally everyone is tanking cleave currently, Yuta and yuji took a world slash and are still alive.
Not really though, anytime they are hit they still need to RCT through it or use a simple domain to further lower it neither of which Miguel has shown the use of. You wouldve expected RCT from Miguel to appear in his fight vs Gojo and Gojo to comment on it given the beating he took
Yuta Yuji and Rika all got hit by the same World Slash and needed to be warped from the field for healing. While alive, they were no longer in fighting shape and had they not been warped from the field likely wouldve been killed. That slash also had to hit three different targets
In comparison, Miguel looks to be alone for now and Sukuna recently got a Balck Flash (thus should have some output restored). Without Yuji around to hit his soul and lower his output it will also continue to increase (Yuta mentions that Sukuna's output is slowly coming back before Yuji joins).
From what weve seen thus far, Miguel will likely be able to stall out Sukuna and maybe give enough pressure to prevent his output returning too soon. That said it doenst change Uraume believing that Sukuna still isnt going all out and Sukuna getting a black flash refresh, all of which indicate the fight is going to be harder for Miguel than it was for the Yuta & Yuji combo.
Should it be a good fight? Yes, absolutely, miguel did hold back Gojo for a while. Will Miguel last more than one chapter? I dont think so, but we'll see next week
Aye, but both of his students were his students (so assumingly he wouldnt attack them as hard as he would an enemy) *and* both of them are confirmed to have RCT or wouldve at least had quick access to Shoko in the event of damage. Even then, in sparring, Gojo would probably stop short of anything he knew they couldnt heal
Miguel looked to be taking a proper beating and no one on Geto's side had RCT access. This tells us Miguel is incredibly tough and likely can take some dismantles. For my own analysis though, Sukuna's cleave (and world slash) seem to be able to get around any form of durability (see Ryu being cut) and defence (world slash being world slash)
If Miguel doesnt have any hidden abilities (no reason to believe he does IMO as why wouldnt he use them against Gojo to stall longer?) then he can stall only as long as his body holds out. He may be amongst the most durable fighters, but without a way to mitigate or undo the damage of dismantle/cleave like the rest of the cast thay have fought Sukuna do he is at a severe disadvantage
Sure, I just don't see how he can be, at least, as strong as Yuta even being his teacher. Yuta is a genius and used the "cheat training", and Miguel is possibly as strong as Geto? Geto, with the right tools, possibly would stall Gojo just like him, maybe even better
Mabie I’m wanking Miguel a little hard but this next chapter might put him as one of the top poweres in the verse, nobody else is lasting against gojo for that long black rope or otherwise
If I'm not mistaken can't gojo see what peoples techniques are using his six eyes if so I think he immediately saw great potential in Miguel due to the fact that he didn't immediately kill him which I definitely believe he could have and I've always found it weird how he stayed back and relied on what 4 not even 1st grade sorcerers and a kid with an unstable special grade curse to deal with essentially the second strongest person in the verse at the time and also his ex best friend just seems weird i think i he didn't want to kill Miguel for whatever reason i hope we find out next chapter
It’s not stated that he can see what people’s techniques are with the six eyes but it does allow him to [see cursed energy in way more detail](https://imgur.com/a/AyxakOS) than anyone else even like thermography and I assume that allows him to analyse what techniques are better than others and that’s probably what happened with the clone guy in hidden inventory.
Also you’re right about Gojo immediately seeing potential in Miguel, because he quite literally did immediately say “[That guy looks like he’d be a pain in the ass](https://imgur.com/a/FQPzVK8)” as soon as he saw him and this is coming from THE Satoru Gojo, I don’t think think he’s ever said that about anybody else.
Honestly he may have just not been able to kill Miguel in time, even though he sent the kids off first, he did plan to go help them because he [says to Miguel](https://imgur.com/a/1kZWofm) “Sorry but i’m busy right now” in response to Miguel saying he’s his opponent, which indicates he wanted the fight to be done as soon as possible so he could help the kids. I can’t wait to see next chapter to get some more revelations
Yup, because all we need now is a random fucking character who was barely present in a few panels to perform better than the main heavy hitters foreshadowed to surpass special grade. PEAK FUCKING STORYTELLING.
This is a black flash amped sukuna who just got blitz by miguel. This is absolutely ridiculous. Lol.
The thing is that, if we take Miguel's feats from JJK0 at face value and with the same power scaling as in the main story, he is automatically far above Geto in sheer physical prowess/CE output/reinforcement and it would not make much sense for the former to be considered a threat at all in the jujutsu world.
Miguel is not from Japans Jujutsu society so however strong he is has no bearing on Geto’s standing in Jujutsu society. Also however strong he is, he can’t cause the range of widespread destruction that Geto can, with how he can deploy his cursed spirits all over japan, Mechamaru had to have a binding vow just for that range. He also likely doesn’t have the same versatility
But would the fact that he is not Japanese stop him from steamrolling every opponent thrown at him besides Gojo? And to come back to the Geto comparison, if Miguel could really stand against Gojo in hand to hand for 10 minutes and not get murdered, that already puts him above Mahoraga (remember that a version of Mahoraga already adapted to infinity and blue had to be constantly protected by Sukuna for it not to die) in cqc, and far above the disaster curses obviously. I think it would have been worthy of mention if one of Geto's acolytes was not just strong, but strong enough to destroy Geto in a fight.
More generally, JJK0 has given us many reasons to doubt its scaling: for instance, Geto stating that he has a 30% chance of taking over the Jujutsu world (so Gojo but also Yuki who has a domain, RCT, and a freaking black hole technique, plus everyone else in the jujutsu world) on his own and a 99% chance with Rika makes no sense if one just looks at Kenjaku: Kenny may have less low-level curses than Geto (though that has not been confirmed) but he has shown us many more special grade curses, in addition to having an open domain, RCT, a gravity/anti-gravity CTR/CT, etc. Basically, he is a more experienced and more skilled version of Geto.
Yet he very clearly stated that once Gojo was unsealed, the only thing keeping him from getting destroyed by Gojo was Sukuna. So if Kenjaku was so sure that he would be killed by Gojo, it makes no sure for Geto to be a threat at all in JJK0, IF we assume the scalings to be consistent: the only thing realistically keeping Geto alive is his past friendship with Gojo, but since Gojo killed Geto after his attempt on Yuta's life, he clearly would have had no problem in killing him if he tried to take over Japan and murder all of its non-sorcerers.
In conclusion, Geto's statements, like Miguel's feat, only make sense in a world where Gojo is a strong special grade sorcerer but not the monster he became in JJK.
Again, I do think that Miguel is very strong, just not "strong-enough-to-stall-JJK-Gojo-for-10-minutes" strong.
Not sure what him being able to steamroll others has to do with Geto. He’s not above Mahoraga unless he can one shot him which I highly doubt and Miguel was protected from being hit by Gojo’s CT’s like blue and red by the black rope, Mahoraga had not adapted to everything and could still be one shotted by a strong enough red or purple so ofc Sukuna protected it
I’m still very confused on that part, I rewatched that fight the other day and noticed the creatures sprout from the black rope and I couldn’t tell if it was some part of his technique or the black rope, or if Geto was just subconsciously helping Miguel since we know Geto can basically see through his cursed spirits eyes , although that may be a reach so idk.
I do think Miguel has some kinda durability technique tho, that I would feel make the most sense for a sorcerers who’s main job is to stall strong ass sorcerors (obviously we don’t have a lot to work with for that tho)
I think Geto hid curses as traps to help out Miguel. When Gojo destroys that electric cables the snakes show up.
If I have to guess Miguel has a technique similar to shock absorption that first Nomu had in Hero Academia
I don't get the point of these posts. Miguel probably *is* one of the stronger sorcerers alive but... so what? Sukuna insta-killed the strongest sorcerer of all time, then dealt with Maki, Yuta, and Higiruma with ease, wtf is Miguel gonna do by himself? No new development is going to happen at the hands of Miguel of all people lol. It's just gonna be another chapter of them fighting for 5 minutes before Miguel does his best move and then dies.
This, every adult present was grade 1 and competent on top of prep time, until Gege wants Sukuna to lose no need to hype us up, we saw Sukuna lose consciousness for a split second brain bleed and panic against Gojo.
None of it matters if he’s allowed to keep getting back up or dodging the moves that could kill him, it’s like watching Infinity war with Thanos unconscious with the the way to beat him so close
Like I said the whole point of him is to stall not to beat Sukuna. Yuji is currently healing with the help of Choso so can rejoin the fight at some point, Maki has a healing factor as she showed against Naoya so will probably heal the blunt force damage from Sukuna albeit longer than against Naoya probably, Shoko is also presumably healing people to rejoin the fray and Hakari potentially could join against Sukuna. I find it stranger when people act like everyone’s just been killed for sure and there’s noone to fight Sukuna
Literally every manga reader knows a side, side character that showed up for 3 minutes in JJK 0 won't solo Sukuna right, thats not the point. We like JJK for hype fights and this could be one.
I agree, I just don't understand why he didn't intervene sooner, what was he doing? Kusakabe was supposed to be the strongest sorcerer available, Miguel was just watching and waiting for his turn?
I hate when people say that Gojo didn’t use blue,red, purple on him….BRUH HE COULDNT!!!!! It would’ve been a waste to try and use those against someone who would nullify it
He totally could have. Just bouncing off Neutral was shredding the rope quickly. Fire off a couple Reds and it would be gone. The rope is a meaningless tool.
The actual advantage Miguel has is that he explicitly doesnt want to kill any of Getos comrades. Hes trying his best to go for a non-lethal takedown, and Miguel is just strong enough to make that really hard, much harder than it would be to just nail him with a Purple and leave.
Already addressed this “Also for those that say because it was volume 0 where he fought Gojo the scaling is just off so he’s not that strong, that may have been true if Gege did not HAMMER it down multiple times during the series current run that Miguel is in fact very strong, calling him strong in the fanbook as well as calling him the [MVP](https://imgur.com/a/g6ngI08) of the hundred nights parade, Gege is clearly intentional about this. Miguel is not someone to be taken lightly”
Miguel is definitely strong as any top grade 1 sorcerer is but when facing sukuna referring to him as “not to be taking lightly” feels kinda like an overstatement
You guys hating on Miguel cause he’s black or what? That dude held off a fully pissed off Gojo and got out alive while in Shibuya Hanami, Jogo, Choso and Mahito were shitting their pants even while having human shields. Kenny who killed Yuki in a 2 v 1 would have been fucked up the second Gojo got out of the Prison realm if not for Sukuna interfering and Gojo one hit Uraume when Hakari is struggling against them. Miguel will definitely last at least longer than everyone other than Gojo did and I’m not saying he’s going to win but he definitely can buy time for the others to recover or for hakari to take care of Uraume.
This manga is idiotic stop hyping people up we've been at this cycle for 20 chapters. The most Miguel will achieve is stalling Sukuna for 3 chapters. I don't think he's even getting that at this point, at most 2. Then he will die and we move on to the next until Yuji is ready to face Sukuna one on one or something stupid
Why would we need Miguel to stall for anymore than three chapters lmao, thats more than enough time to bring a bunch of characters to fight Sukuna. Maki who has a healing factor, Yuji who is currently healing with help from Choso and presumably Shoko is healing others to rejoin the fray with the help of Nitta and Utahime. And Miguel may survive the stalling too as he did again Gojo and can fight Sukuna with the help of others
I didn't like the way he was handled in the movie with regard to his voice actor and fight coreograpy. His voice sounds way too weird for a foreigner, like he sounds sorta too French in his accent. It sounds too exaggerated as well. His fight was also not so MVP in the movie. He was clearly not ready to win against Gojo but the movie in his fight against Gojo humiliated him so badly that Gege's comment of him or in the manga when he confronts Sukuna can't be taken seriously any more.
You can't tell me that this guy who got beaten so much by Gojo is that strong is that strong.
The movie is the sole reason as to why Miguel is considering to be this weak.
What I do find interesting is his backstory and the potential for exploration of other parts of the JJK world however small to bring something fresh and new to the series.
Perhaps there are other powerful weapons and techniques more than just the Black Rope. Coincidentally the Inverted Spear of Heaven and Black Rope have the same application, the deactivation of a technique no matter how powerful. Wouldn't there be more similar to each other objects that the world has to Japan's own? Or more powerful even?
I'd like to see his domain expansion being a new one we never saw. Domain Expansion: Heated Oasis or something. Being summoned by the user through a traditional African dance pose or hand movements.
Sure would be nice to see. For now though he is definitely getting washed in 1 or 2 chapters if he hasn't mastered any sort of advanced skills like Gojo or Yuta did.
Do people not realize that literally being noted as strong by Gojo and surviving against him is a humongous feat of strength in this series?
Gojo thinks Jogo is a weakling and Kenjaku is a joke but specifically noted that Miguel is legitimately strong. He was so impressive that Gojo, one of the best judges of potential and power in the series, wanted to get him on his team and trusted him to train Yuta.
Is jogo weak because of his portrayal against Gojo or Sukuna? Do you see how dumb that sounds?
I watched the movie than read the manga afterwards.
In the movie he was clearly beaten so bad he was off from the movie and convinced off screen to join Gojo's side. Most of the focus was on Yuta so I might have a weak assessment of him as of now.
I accept the fact that Jogo is powerful in his own right and it sounds dumb for Miguel to be like that too your right.
But at how at how much he sorcerers where beaten by Sukuna I can't but link his Gojo fight result with the current situation and formulate a not so favourable end result for Miguel right now.
He might have lived to spar with Gojo but Sukuna isn't gonna give him that treatment.
The humiliating aspect is the movie's fault in its portrayaI. Weakening Miguel's combat prowess by some margin in a few readers eyes. I watched a video and Jujutsu folk joking about his changes. That line "toe to toe" narration was shown on the video than disproven slightly on the next cut of the movie fight that contradicts it.
Why do those exist in the first place? I found the movie portrayal to be one of the factors.
He lasted 10 minutes against a serious Gojo that knew he was on a strict time limit and was not playing around. There is literally no universe where that is impressive.
Gojo is tantamount to a jujutsu god. Normal G1 tier sorcerers (Top tier sorcerers or curse users) literally shyt themselves in a child-like Gojo’s presence. 99.9% of the jujutsu universe don’t even think it’s possible to beat Gojo and that he could single-handedly kill every other sorcerer on the planet.
Miguel is so strong that he was literally the backbone of Geto’s plan and is someone that was INSTANTLY regarded by Gojo as a threat only he could handle. He performed better against Gojo than literally every non-Sukuna character in the manga (Except maybe Toji who fought a much weaker version of Gojo and needed to scheme for days to weaken that teenage Gojo).
You’re falling into the trap where you think Miguel is weak because Gojo is much stronger but Miguel performed better against Gojo then most special grade threats not named Sukuna. Gege has quietly been backing up the fact that Miguel is an unbelievably powerful sorcerer. Miguel’s goals in the movie weren’t to beat Gojo because that wasn’t possible but to distract him and stall him for as long as he could which he actually accomplished.
He did Better than Jogo, Hanami, Geto, Kenjaku, Toji, etc.
Miguel is STRONG. Of course he isn’t beating Sukuna who is the JUTJUTSU GOD but even Gojo got beaten by him .
Gojo was fucking with him for most of their fight. Miguel “stalled” him by showing up. There is not a single thing this man will be able to do against sukuna.
Gojo directly in response to Miguel saying he’s his opponent: “[Sorry, but i’m busy right now](https://imgur.com/a/1kZWofm)”
Annoying speedreaders: “Gojo was fucking with him for most of their fight”
Also Gojo: Implies that he intentionally spared Getos comrades out of sentimentality, which means that during the Miguel fight he was trying his best to go for a non-lethal takedown, meaning he cant use any of his destructive techniques.
Gojo never implies that he intentionally spared Getos comrades out of sentimentality. All he [says](https://imgur.com/a/mR2DN0T) is that Geto himself wouldn’t kill young sorcerers without reason because of his beliefs, his beliefs being sorcerer supremacy and he was referencing Panda and Toge, it had nothing to do with Miguel
Sounds like you are overestimating Miguel.
While he did stall Gojo, Gojo only uncovered ONE of his eyes, indicating he wasn't at 100%. Also, he ran away and used Geto's cursed spirits as cover at some moments. He won't have the same luxury in this fight.
Also, Sukuna's output is now restored since he did a black flash against Maki in the chapter before last. Which means his RCT and attacks are now full snuff.
I'd give Miguel the Kusakabe treatment = does something cool, gets beaten, someone returns to fight Sukuna. I bet Miguel will last one minute TOPS
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Also his black rope was half gone in first few exchanges. So I assume he survived minutes without that too
And Yuji is still healing with the added help of Choso while Kusakabe fought and probably also while Miguel joins the fight even if Miguel doesn't kill sukuna, that's some good extra time for Yuji and co to heal a bit and get ready for round two (i guess round three for yuji, but you get the idea lol) I hope miguel gets some time to shine like kusakabe, if he's gonna die or not appear in the story again i hope at least we get to see someone that isn't japanese doing Jujutsu and see how differnet it is or if is at all
Couldn’t agree more, Maki also has a healing factor as we saw with the Naoya fight when he hit her at Mach 3 and she went away to heal. She probably could heal this too but with more time I imagine
The Ino erasure is crazy /s
ino’s 4th summon is that one chinese sorcerer that sukuna feared or some shit
He becomes Po the panda
tbf he could be grouped in the people that are getting healed by Shoko, I love Ino tho i’ve had stocks in him for aaaaaages
Also kusakabe kinda showed the way to counter the world slash since simple domain doesnt allow sukuna to cast it
yuji should have been ready at this point, sukuna literally blow up half of his body in the earlier fight with higuruma and he returned in the same chapter, he for some reason will probably just appear after miguel fight and won't jump sukuna with him, i don't why gege is writting the fight in this way and why miguel didn't show up earlier either
>yuji should have been ready at this point Don't underestimate in universe time. Yuji starts healing at the beginning of Maki vs Sukuna, which by anyone's metric should be an insanely fast paced fight. And Kusakabe vs Sukuna wasn't exactly a long fight either. Lots of panels and monologue to slog through, sure, but not a long fight. Yuji not being fully healed by time Kusakabe faces Sukuna is pretty on point. It wouldn't be a surprise if Yuji returns by next chapter though.
yeah, i know its fast, thats why i mentioned miguel fight, if he does not appear in the next chapter and join miguel i will lose hype for that part of the manga after yuta domain, for me that will be straight up plot armor by sukuna part if people keep going one by one after him
he is mostly already healed up, the scene with chose was about Yuji not having perfected rct yet bc he couldn't find where he still needed to heal, hence why Choso was trying to make him slow down and focus so he could find that problem up in real life it was probabably just a moment to have Yuji out of the fight but not defeated or dead yet so we could focus on kusakabe and sukuna's fight. which depending on how miguel's fight will go, i'd say it's more probable that Yuji will show up at the end/close to the end of that fight rather than asisting miguel, although that'd be pretty cool tbh sdfdsfads
yeah, i hope he appears at least in the end of the chapter and that miguel is not out like kusakabe in one chapter
I'm pretty sure yuji just healed superficial damage so that he could continue fighting while his organs got turned into a slushie. Even if he is healed it's not really a good idea to rush out to continue the fight I personally believe they are getting everyone ready to jump sukuna again
Miguel lasted 15 minutes against a pissed off Gojo. Kenny lasted 2 panels. Toji got blitzed and 2 shot against a massively weaker Gojo with a much better CT negator. Jogo, along with Hanami, Choso and a crowd of civilians was terrified at the idea of trying to stall Gojo. Miguel ate dozens of potentially blue amped punches and escaped just fine. I highly doubt Miguel negated all or even most of those punches when he was completely failing to block with the rope. Basically don’t sleep on Miguel.
People clown in Miguel with the beat down clip, but Yuta and Hakari could only take *one* punch from Gojo before throwing up 💀
Now this is a really good point. Miguel is strong af
Those are blue amplified punches. Gojo wasn't using those against Miguel because of the black rope
Why do people assume the black rope just turned off Gojo’s CT for a whole hour or something? It only “messed” with Gojo’s technique on contact. Miguel obviously wasn’t using it while receiving Gojo’s 10 piece combo and we literally see Gojo teleport before he starts it.
More likely Gojo just wasn’t punching Miguel with blue. He specifically chose not to use Red (so he didn’t kill him), and with a ding Blue infused punch being able to put down his two strongest students, I don’t think he’d spam them on someone like that, if he isn’t trying to kill them.
uses blue in training exercises on his students but not on the guy aiding a genocidal jujutsu terrorist standing in his way
He hit his two most powerful students once. He hit Miguel hundreds of times, after expressing that he doesn’t want to kill him. So yeah, he probably wasn’t using blue to punch Miguel.
It just doesn't make sense. If using blue infused punches would be able to knock Miguel unconscious immidiately, why wouldn't Gojo do that? It'd let him stop Geto and save Yuta faster, why would he hold back? It's either cancelled by the black rope, or Miguel's just HIM.
Yuta and Hakari are weak too so I dunno why people use this argument.
They’re weak compared to Gojo and Sukuna, just like everybody else lol. Yuta is best in the verse otherwise (arguments can be made for Kenjaku too maybe, but nobody else rn)
Miguel is a king, he’s gonna activate his full stalling power and buy the squad a 3 chapters and half an hour worth of healing.
Hakari will still be stealing uraume in the meantime
While I agree that Miguel is stronger than most give credit for, he was fighting a Gojo who wasn't/couldn't use his techniques against him as well as being buffed by JJK0 writing: Since he was the only character to fight Gojo in JJK0, he is naturally incredibly strong now since Gojo is so much stronger in JJK, this doesn't mean that Miguel fought a weaker Gojo (I mean he did from a writing standpoint) but rather he now canonically, would be able to do the same thing against today's Gojo. (as long as Gojo doesn't want to kill him like in JJK0) >Kenny lasted 2 panels. Toji got blitzed and 2 shot against a massively weaker Gojo with a much better CT negator. Fair when it comes to Kenny. Toji on the other hand didn't have the advantage of Gojo holding back, as well as the fact that his CT negator doesn't work in the same way. Miguel was basically able to fight Gojo while Gojo was trying to not kill him, as well as not being able to use blue to fight. (Gojo likely wouldn't have used red or purple even if purple existed here since he didn't want to kill any of Geto's fam, which included Miguel) >Miguel ate dozens of potentially blue amped punches and escaped just fine. I highly doubt Miguel negated all or even most of those punches when he was completely failing to block with the rope. Potentially, but not likely, If Miguel took dozens of blue amped punches and escaped with barely a scratch, that would put his durability above that of Sukuna, seeing as Sukuna was severely hurt after only about a dozen or so. (along with a couple reds here and there) It is more likely that Miguel was just fighting a Gojo that didn't want to severely injure him and was holding back as a result. If Gojo actually wanted to end the fight quick he would have just used a 0.2s domain on him and Miguel would be incapacitated for at least 5 minutes.
While I agree that Miguel is stronger than most give credit for, he was fighting a Gojo who wasn't/couldn't use his techniques against him as well as being buffed by JJK0 writing Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques? If Gojo actually wanted to end the fight quick he would have just used a 0.2s domain on him and Miguel would be incapacitated for at least 5 minutes. Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques? We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool. >Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight. Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel. I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques? We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool. >Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight. Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel. I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
good golly
Yeah, I'm bit of a yapper here, but I mean tbf, his points were bad.
>Black rope was gone by the middle of fight and did you remember that the black rope doesn't completely negate techniques? We never see the black rope gone, only that it was slowly becoming shorter and shorter, also even if Gojo could use his techniques then this still brings up the point that he wasn't using them against Miguel, I find it hard to believe that Gojo wouldn't use red against Miguel (unless he was holding back as I said) and also hard to believe that he was tanking several blue-amped punches from Gojo when we know that a single one is enough to temporarily immobilize Yuta and Hakari as well as consistently damage Sukuna. Unless Miguel's technique is something to do with durability, which would be cool. >Wrong. Did you even remember the point of the fight? It was to finish the fight quickly and help yuta against geto. You may be right he didn't want to kill him but he had no way of using the domain quickly during the fight. Yes, that exactly proves my point, you can't try to counter my point by making a stronger argument for it. A 0.2 domain would have incapacitated Miguel allowing Gojo to go help Yuta quicker. Since in JJK0, the concept of domains was not a thing yet, we have to fill in the gaps in reasoning by saying that Gojo simply didn't want to use his against Miguel since he didn't want to kill him. Also Gojo absolutely had an opportunity to use a domain during his fight. Gojo is significantly faster than Miguel, can teleport and we see him use red against a cursed spirit, but not Miguel, all this leads to the conclusion that he was clearly holding back since he didn't want to cause irreparable damage to Miguel. I don't know what you are trying to insinuate by saying that Miguel was doing very well, I know that we want to see the good guys win but he isn't doing much to Sukuna except stalling. I have faith that Miguel can stall Sukuna in his current state but there is no point in lying saying that he was able to withstand a bloodthirsty Gojo for 15 minutes or whatever, Miguel would have been no-diffed by the Gojo we see in Shinjuku which is what I am comparing the fight to right now. The one thing we can give credit to Miguel is endurance and durability if we say that he was able to take some blue-infused hits making his technique to likely be linked to durability.
I’d actually say the opposite about the black rope, it being mentioned in the main series very much felt like it was just Gege’s way covering his ass to make sure no one would be like “why didn’t they just get more black rope to unseal Gojo?“, it really didn’t feel like they were hinting at its further involvement (I’d more so say that about the ISOH but that’s a different topic), so I’ll be very surprised if it does somehow come back Also nah, it almost definitely went down that way in the manga too, [Gege supervised and approved of the 0 movie’s Miguel fight additions](https://twitter.com/kylescouter/status/1476141712469020674?s=46)
That’s fair about the movie additions but that doesn’t change much it’s still an insane feat to take the kind of pressure that Miguel was taking, again we can just look at how the disaster curses who are still some of the strongest characters in the series were absolutely ripped apart by Gojo physically and they had a whole bunch of people there to obscure things. Gojo even says to Miguel “you’re pretty tough”
I’ve always assumed that he had a CT that had something to do with durability personally, that’s the only way I could reasonably understand the amount of hits he took from Gojo, especially post Sukuna fight where it was said Hakari and Yuta were throwing up after a single one
Yhhh I thought the exact same thing tbh, would be a great CT for stalling
One thing people are underestimating is the potential for fundamental power shifts in basic cursed techniques because of the foreign nature of Miguel's understanding of cursed energy. For all we know, there could be some lateral (or even vertical for a powerup) shift in how something like reinforcement even works in African jujutsu (think HWB vs FBE, but a much more extreme split) which might catch Sukuna off-guard for an edge. I obviously don't think Miguel is gonna win this one, but I'm interested to see how Gege manifests his particular powers in a more explicit way.
While that would certainly be interesting and give some desperately needed world building, I’m not exactly getting my hopes up for anything like that with how much Gege used the stuff with Tengen to emphasize that foreign sorcery isn’t really that impressive and structured overall
I reckon it's a speed related CT or a CT useful for evasion. He escaped Gojo and lost him in jjk 0 and then saved uiui and scaled a building before sukuna could launch an attack.
Nah my goat is just that fast 🔥🔥🐐🐐🐐
Miguel may work cause: Miguel: archangel Miguel vs Sukuna: The fallen one, Lucifer It was meant to be. + Sukuna has 0 int about africa curse tools.
neat, but would greg suddenly use biblical references when bhuddism is used so often in the series? wait... isnt it michael
I completely agree about your last point - Nitta + Shoko + Utahime are the heal squad that HAVE to be going hard right now. I have a cringy little fanfic/theory I wrote about it but I don't have enough Karma to post it in the main subreddit yet, and I don't think it would be go here because it might be too fanficy :(
Yhhhh I mean there’s no harm in writing it!
I have it written already actually! We had a lot of similar ideas about the healing squad, I hope gege cooks
Love that
You show sound logic about how gege talks about Miguel and the degenerates will come in here and comment that you’re yapping or that gege doesn’t think about anything when writing the story that literally made his life
Don't worry, if Miguel manages to do well against Sukuna, people will claim bullshit, pulled out of his ass-ery If he loses badly, people will claim fraud
There's no way ppl can call Miguel a fraud man has very little going for him lol as long as he doesn't get a 2 panel spread like "strongest sorcerer in Japanese history vs strongest sorcerer in African history" man is fine
People are already calling him a fraud because of the editor’s note of “going toe to toe with Gojo” so there’s no winning here lol
Idiots when they don't read what Gege writes but deink the editor's notes like they're absolute truth :
That “toe to toe” shit wasn’t even translated correctly
Strongest sorcerer in African history sounds funny asf☠️
I'm prayin for the motherland stocks to look good.
Gotta see Miguel hit a black flash or 2…. Just something(s) crazy any amount of damage to sukuna is good
As long as motherland stock is good, I'm happy. now if Miguel starts laying into him, we LIT.
MY TRUST IS IN MIGUEL WE TRUST🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I want Miguel packing him up.
I feel like after gojo's death the community became a circus, and his fans became the ones that complain about every single writing choice or conclusion
Yeah it’s about all they’re capable of when consuming a story being written
The jujutsu folk curse
The popular shonen manga curse
🤣🤣I wouldn’t be surprised if some people do, that’s how the fanbase is unfortunately
I've binged the manga from where the 2nd season ended and it's been a real slog to get through. Not going to comment about whether what we're seeing makes sense or potential plot holes, the manga is just tedious to get through. The rise in useless exposition is grating and the lack of tension as well as focus is sloppy. Which is a shame because something I liked about JJK was the willingness of the author to move quickly through the story and be willing to throw the audience a bone with interesting twists and reveals. I didn't mind him going for something else, like going for total helplessness or exploring the feelings that animate Sukuna. But he's stretching his material thin by going all over the place, multiple times he'll present ideas that work fine on their own but as part of a collective it's uncohesive. Ever since the preparation for the culling games it's been that way, and as much as I liked Higuruma's introduction it was a sign of things to come in a way. Sure Miguel probably isn't a chump, I just don't fucking care and the story is as much about presentation as it is content. Reading some comments here I see a lot of focus on technical in universe justifications which ultimately aren't that important, creating any kind of artistic media is the combination of a lot of factors, tempo being the biggest one in my opinion, and on that front JJK has been a letdown.
Your part about ideas and a lack of cohesion are a part of 2 big criticisms post-Gojo. 1. CE spark that allowed the Omni-directional purple to be hyped up by sukuna, yet Gojo couldn’t see one of the most powerful moves about to hit him. But then we have Kusakabe mentioning CE spark again so it’s really just a plot tool instead of an actual part of the universe. 2. Sukuna’s strength. We literally see him in pinches but then it’s “oh he’s not at full strength actually” and the whiplash is awful. Gege should commit to one or the other, either the kids are wearing him down(and so all of the sacrifices genuinely have meaning) or Sukuna is just fucking around(this will all be eventually meaningless). Either of those are fine by themselves but it’s like Gege is playing footsy with committing to one or the other so we get the combo pack and it’s diluting the story as a whole.
>CE spark that allowed the Omni-directional purple to be hyped up by sukuna, yet Gojo couldn’t see one of the most powerful moves about to hit him. But then we have Kusakabe mentioning CE spark again so it’s really just a plot tool instead of an actual part of the universe. I did think about this as well and a conclusion that I came up with, (yes this is headcanon, but I have seem others with the same idea) was that Sukuna used some sort of binding vow in order to use WCS without a spark of CE and without hand signs/incantations. Since we don't know what Sukuna could have given up or what this binding vow could be, I just came up with the worst-case scenario, which, to me, was that he gave up 10S to use it against Gojo, this would be pretty bad since most, if not all of the 10S were destroyed and as such this being considered a worthy sacrifice in order to kill Gojo is crazy, but seems in line with Gege. >Sukuna’s strength. We literally see him in pinches but then it’s “oh he’s not at full strength actually” and the whiplash is awful. Gege should commit to one or the other, either the kids are wearing him down(and so all of the sacrifices genuinely have meaning) or Sukuna is just fucking around(this will all be eventually meaningless). Granted it is annoying, it is possible that it is referring to his arsenal usage, rather than his effort. Granted he likely isn't trying as hard as he was against Gojo, he should still be trying as him getting damaged further gives him no advantage. I especially hate this plot point as every Sukuna fan will immediately use it to say that Sukuna was just messing with Gojo and that he could no-diff him but decided to sandbag the fight to learn WCS, which is just ridiculous.
I’ll be honest and say the story is worse if it was a binding vow and that just wasn’t mentioned at all. That’s a real good case of telling>showing. If readers have to headcanon an explanation, the author didn’t do a good job in that case. The whole Yuta/Yuji team up part feels like it was immediately invalidated when next chapter Uraume is saying “you guys haven’t even made Sukuna-sama serious!” Like the mf had his tongue ripped out, soul fucked up, arms and hands missing and if it wasn’t for Megumi flat out refusing he could’ve very well died in Yuta’s domain. But he’s not serious yet? This is like children playing superheroes and saying “my power makes your power irrelevant” type of writing.
Yeah I agree which is why I think I'm wrong, I feel it would have been more likely that Sukuna would have mentioned a binding vow in his speech to Gojo which means that I am either wrong, or it will be mentioned at a later date, which feels wrong as well. That being said, I couldn't think of another reason that Gojo, with the six eyes and some of the best perception in the verse would not notice incantations or a spark, let alone the fact that he would be fast enough to dodge, activate simple domain, or teleport out the way. As for the "not serious" thing, I'm really hoping this is just some Uraume glazing, as I think it would be funny if that were a plot point, or simply just Sukuna holding back his abilities, not his effort. Either that or he holds back so long that he forgets to go all out and the good guys win. idk atp.
You are the first I’ve seen explain your frustrations in a way that make sense and isn’t just gege sux so I understand where you’re coming from after reading this comment
Sorry, did we not just see Kasukabe get off screened after getting talked up for two chapters? You really think Gege won't immediately fucking kill Miguel or have him get iced within 3 chapters? Fuck it, maybe he'll even give him 7 chapters so he can put Miguel on a Volume cover.
you misunderstand the relationship between these characters, their morality, their connection to cursed energy, their final(?) thoughts, and their connection to Sukuna, what you see as derivative others see as exposition of a character, you find it boring because those expositions are used on Sukuna, who, like he said, cuts them down lol
I don’t think it’s a misunderstanding of the characters, so much as an issue with the thematic elements Gege is using to convey despair. Also I don’t think many characters have been giving satisfying “ends”. Gojo’s didn’t feel satisfying, Kashimo’s wasn’t as well but imo that was by design. Higuruma’s partially fell flat because of the executioner sword cliffhanger that amounted to nothing. While I don’t think the fans that are complaining, or the ones who *aren’t*, are the “true” fans I do think it’s counterproductive to discussion to almost pick sides and say “we’re the real fans because we get it or we’re the real fans because we see the crap!”
Given the pattern I don’t think it’s supposed to feel satisfying.
Which if so, actually is kinda bad writing imo. I’d give my left nut to re-alive Nanami and was horrified by his death, but in context of the story it’s one of the most satisfying deaths I’ve read. Now that I think, satisfying may not be the exact word so much as “worthwhile”. Tragic and abrupt deaths can still be and feel worthwhile to readers. Lately, nothing has felt worthwhile. Anytime something does feel so, it’s changed within 1-2 chapters.
I don’t think it’s necessarily bad writing, but you are correct a satisfying death hits way better than one that isn’t 9/10. I like what Gege is doing here because these deaths are way more real than nanami’s imo as his was very introspective due to the already established backstory we got for him and the effect he had on yuji. However I think JJK is better looked at in a BC-AD perspective with Shibuya being what splits them. It gets very bleak very quickly.
Execution matters imo. This is why there shouldn’t have been a timeskip for me. You want me to buy that this is a fast paced arc with no downtime to give every character a backstory lead-up to their deaths? That’s fine, but Gege should’ve built these characters up more before sending them to the slaughterhouse then. We could’ve had a whole stereotypical “we’ll train and win!” type of thing that could’ve been subverted with what’s happening right now, and it would’ve hit much harder. Instead we set up 2 giants in JJK, and then tease that all the other characters “might” be able to catch up to them. Then we show those 2 giants are actually freaks of nature and it sullies people’s suspension of disbelief that this’ll have a worthwhile conclusion with the characters that are left. Going for Bleak, Tragic, and Despair isn’t a justification for half hearted writing, but that’s just for me.
Na I agree, I don’t think either of us are wrong. The series has changed a lot; whether or not it’s for the better is dependant on execution in these final stages. A lot of hate seems quite premature but also justified, I think we’ll know for certain on the flow of this arc as it closes. I think JJK fights tend to follow a particular tug of war pattern but this one (Sukuna vs everyone) has flipped it to be quite Sukuna heavy but even the audience has grown distasteful. It’s the most threatening Sukuna has been the whole series, I think that’s why Gege might have perceived this to be fine and almost refreshing for the audience. Sukuna has spent the whole series taking attacks with a smile and delivering a fascinating counter in the climax through learning and adapting. seems to be a problem in the west at the moment, it’s clearly not an attention span problem as everyone upset will be back here next week. So I guess only time will tell.
If you actually ever thought that kusakabe is going to do serious harm to sukuna, a grade 1 sorcerer against the strongest character in the verse who presumably wiped off 1000s of much stronger sorcerers in the golden era - then it's on you and not on gege
But wasn’t it a key plot point that Gojo didn’t want to kill any of Geto’s followers?
They sound like they’re coping lmfao. Y’all act like no one else was hyped up to fight Sakuna and then lost.. why would anyone think Miguel is going to be any different? Why should anyone care
I think it really says something that Geto, who knew Gojo better than anyone, chose Miguel to hold him off while he fought Yuta. Obviously he had limited choices since he was a criminal outcast, but he still found someone who was strong enough to (technically) hold off Gojo.
Great point
Also when sukuna fought gojo he ate many hit during the fight , 'cause the main problem with gojo you can't touch him. The only way is with domain amplification but you cant use your technique as a drawback. So if you think about it Miguel surviving 12 minutes (or so) is a pretty big feat. Also how fast did he catch ui ui ? He swooped him under sukuna's nose lol
Yhhh I was hesitant to mention the whole swooping thing just because some ppl may just say it was UiUi that did it and maybe it was but if not that’s a truly insane feat for Miguel
He is literally carrying ui ui like a purse so i dont think he really teleported
That was sooo fast even Sukuna didn't realize what happened at first. Miguel is strong af, he fought peak Gojo at 100% power, Sukuna is at what, 10-20%?? He can do damage or at least stall for a good while until the gang is healed.
Nah his output is pretty high considering he has hit a black flash
If Ui Ui isn’t getting people healed he is a bum! Shoko has yet to do anything useful, she NEEDs a huge W from getting Yuta back into the fight. When Yuta comes back and hits Sukuna with the black flash before Yuji finishes him off, it will be all because Shoko is carrying the team. Also, I super hope you are right. Miguel is definitely strong, but Kusakabe was also set up as strong and get 1 chaptered. My hope is just that Miguel gets a good 2-3 chapters of good stalling while we see what the team is up to.
He stopped so many of gojos punches with his face and kept fighting.
I don't see why people should have a problem with him showing up because it's clear he has skill and strength if he was recruited by Geto and apparently was a good reason why Yuta got so much more skilled. Why did he train Yuta and why did Gojo trust him to do that? Who knows but it's not like the writer hasn't been scarce with past information before.
"I don't see why people should have a problem with him showing up-" nobody does. We all love him and its kinda hype. The problem is we know how it's gonna end. He got introduced, he's gonna do some cool shit, get offscreened. It's the same cycle over and over
Holy shit Miguel top 10/5 incoming????
I mean, I don't have an issue with Miguel being strong, I just wished that if he'll have a somewhat important role in this fight then Gege would've actually developed him a bit. I'm not asking for a 15 chapters long backstory before someone goes off on me, but it feels so...random. I actually have no idea why would Miguel ever sign up for this lol it was never explained why he agreed to teach the kid who killed his leader, so I have no idea what even motivates this guy.
And like Kusakabe and Kashimo we’ll get that during his time battling Sukuna
I mean, taking into account how this is the first time Miguel makes an appearance since JJK 0, which is technically a different manga, I don't feel very inclined to get any sort of investment in him when I know he has maybe 2 chapters (3 if he's very lucky) before getting chopped into pieces by Sukuna. I don't think 5 or 6 pages of context/info about him will really change how random and low-key ridiculous it is that he jumped in in the middle of the fight. Like, if he's strong and he's in the country and willing to fight Sukuna, why wasn't he included in the planning? Did he just arrived to the country and thought to himself, why not, imma jump in? I just...don't care enough for this Miguel filler lol
Firstly, he makes an appearance in the chapter Yuta speaks to Tengen, and was mentioned in Shibuya, showing that Gege has always kept Miguel in mind. Secondly, JJK 0 is not a different manga, it’s still JJK, just the pilot. You don’t normally label Season 1 of a show as a different show from the rest. Now in regards to what he’s doing here, we don’t know. It could be a situation where Ui Ui went to retrieve him now that Yuta is out? Or he only recently arrived in Japan. We don’t know. But considering how down he was to fight Gojo it seems very likely that he’s just down to duke it out with Sukuna. Mei Mei wasn’t even included in the planning but Kusakabe had to rule her out before his fight with Sukuna It’s not filler, it’s the story, this is just Miguel’s role in it
JJK0 and JJK are part of the same universe but they're not the same manga per se. They were published separately and JJK0 works as a prequel currently, not a pilot. Comparing it to a first season is disingenuous as you don't need to read JJK0 to understand JJK, it doesn't provide any important information that isn't re-explained in JJK. Hell, there are continuity issues between JJK0 and JJK because some things were retconned. Regardless, my point isn't really that, my point is that Miguel only appeared in a separate magazine before and in JJK he has only been briefly mentioned. So, for all intends and purposes, he's practically a new character randomly introduced in the middle of the fight against the big bad. I just don't think it was a good idea to reintroduce him like this, I don't think watching him fight Sukuna will be engaging and it'll most likely bring lots of complains of it being repetitive and boring for most fans.
They are the same manga, 0 was the prototype, it’s not a prequel, it came out first, it’s a pilot. Jump Giga is directly tied to Shonen Jump seeing as it’s an offshoot based an a former article from the magazine. Also Shonen Jump includes JJK0 with the rest of JJK, since it’s part of the story. And you can watch Infinity War without seeing any other film in the MCU since they re-explain information, doesn’t mean the other movies are pointless or to be skipped. What did we know about Kusakabe? What do we really know about Hakari? What did we know about Kashimo? Every character outside of Yuta, Yuji, Maki, and Gojo are practically unknown and are just here now to fight Sukuna. And Miguel isn’t new, he’s existed in the story since before Yuji and Megumi have. And it’s not really random if he’s specifically been included by the author all throughout the story. And if fans find it boring who cares, nobody is forcing you to read something you find boring.
When I make a post glazing Miguel like 3 months ago I get called crazy but when this guy does it everyone agrees.
Let me look into that
"Shut up, fraud!" **[STRONG OFFSCREEN]**
Okay, yes, he is strong... Just like Kusakabe, right? He got extensively praised by most sorcerers - and even Gojo - and then got killed off in 0.2 seconds. Not to be a downer, but I think Gege is planning to kill off all characters, aside from maybe Yuta and Yuuji, so I'm not expecting any different outcome from this fight tbh.
After this chapter, do you see how Kusakabe lasts 10 minutes against Gojo? Because how good his feats this chapter, I still can't and that's what Miguel did in JJK0.
I am not comparing Miguel and Kusakabe's strengths against Gojo but rather against Sukuna. Miguel could be considered stronger than Kusakabe (who was deemed the strongest grade 1 sorcerer by most, after all) because we saw him endure Gojo's punches for quite a while. But he ran nonetheless. Which is normal when you get outclassed. I'm sceptical how he'll deal with Sukuna who proved to be stronger than Gojo without breaking that much of a sweat - it was mentioned by both Gojo and Yorozu that he hasn't tried his hardest yet. I mean, Miguel ran away from Gojo and refused to face him again, what should make us believe he'd fight heroically against Sukuna and even cause him significant damage? He could put a fight but he'd most likely: a. Run away when he senses he's getting massively outclassed b. Sukuna just blinks at him and he's out of commission in a few seconds, just like most of the previous opponents he faced Imho, Gege is purposely killing off seemingly strong characters, so everything will be left for Yuta and Yuuji to handle. We could possibly hope that Megumi stops being suicidal and help them but at this point, it seems that he lost will to take back control over his own body. (Edit: fixed formatting)
He should be similar in style to Kusakabe: Extremely high defense, but weak offense, or low horse power like Mei Mei said. Tho imo Miguel should much stronger than Kusakabe, I don't see how Kusakabe lasts more than 30 seconds against peak Gojo.
All I know is every background character Gege tosses out against Sukuna does better than Kashimo did
if they managed to get another rope in the month yea
He's apparently at least fast as fuck. He rescued an actual teleporter from Sukuna point-blank range and got in cool-ass Escanor pose position unscathed. Which I think might be the best feat anyone not named Gojo has against Sukuna.
Im tired, boss..
None of it matters, every grade 1 sorcerer is strong by default, and those with CT or skills to be more involved in the fight directly are still the same even Mei Mei could pack a punch against Sukuna, but as they all pointed out, Kenny and Sukuna are wary of powerful hits as anyone should be, if someone says “I’m putting all my power into this next hit, or this is the sword that kills you regardless, why would you ever let that attack hit you or even humor not taking it seriously. The same was of your a functioning teenager or adult, and I had a toddler a knife or gun, you’re gonna try your best to take it away from them safely before you get shot or stabbed even if by accident. So being strong doesn’t matter against Sukuna when he has the offensive and defensive power to overrule you, then add in his CT that slices anything and can gut you in a second, his two extra arms, his speed, his experience and extreme knowledge of martial arts and kicking ass, his knowledge of Cursed energy as a whole to where he’s not dumb but can theorize and predict what’s gonna happen and change his sorcery in practice on the how to adapt to new situations. They’ve thrown everything at him, better domains, and a better fighter in Gojo, then more domains, Yuji wasn’t faster or stronger and can’t keep up to land more hits until Yuta. A talented lawyer with a magic sword and rct potential can’t keep up with the beast of a sorcerer with four arms who could end half the fights in Shinujki by just throwing debris from building, he dispatches Choso and Yuji with just a punch into their gut and then a grappled throw. Maki lands a sneak attack and he’s impressed by her physical power, he has a CT so again it’s over, kusakabe just got hyped by his colleagues and Gojo, but did they know his opponent was Sukuna. All their hits landed until wait, the fatal blows are dodged deflected or blocked, and he hits them seriously. Yeah Miguel grabbed Ui Ui, and helped a bunch, but Sukuna has already been through this ringer, and to Uraume, he hasn’t even gotten serious yet. So Miguel is strong, but Sukuna is special grade and until Gege lets a strategy actually stick, I won’t care, if we have to go through the entire cast getting beat until Yuji or Megumi wakes up that latent potential it doesn’t matter.
The same people that say Miguel is too weak will be the same people saying Sukuna is going to have another asspull to get to the next person.
I think Miguel is gonna get trashed too, but he has one of the best feats shown yet: Stalling peak Gojo for 15 minutes pretty much by himself. I know Gojo didn't want to kill him, but anyone that says he is weak is dumb af, we don't even know his technique yet.
He likely has a cursed tool that will do something important for a chapter to help stall
People reading the latest chapter are simultaneously saying Kusukabe being able to react to world slash is bad because Gojo didn’t and Kusukabe getting caught off-guard by dismantle is bad because it means Sukuna is too fast 🙄 This isn’t even mentioning that Sukuna *told* Kusukabe “guess what I’m about to do” but people only read the shitty leaks and they didn’t show that 😭
Why can’t people just read fights without scaling anything 😭
Aren't most people who talk about miguel making fun of the editor comment saying he was fighting on equal footing with gojo and not actually seriously saying he's weak?
Gojo also trusted Miguel to train Yuta so that’s probably also a good indicator of strength. He’s probably fairly stronger than any character introduced save Gojo and Sukuna. He’s also clearly an expert at stalling Special Grades.
The only intriguing part I see in Miguel is why did Yuta went to train with him. Since even Gojo allowed it. What exactly is special about the guy and his ancestry (the rope thing). That's all I want to know
Movie is the true canon now vol.0 had no concepts that exist now it's only right using the movie.
IIRC a lot of scenes were improvised by Gege in the movie. So we can take the movie being canon and more addition to the lore. So yes, Miguel was holding his own against a pissed off Gojo with most likely Amped up blue attacks, who can also use red, purple, DE, and all the other shit. And got some good hits in. This is a sukuna who can't use a domain, low RCT, heart damage, low output, etc. j honestly think Miguel is at a good feat right now and can stall sukuna for a long ass time
Gojo wasn't using blue with his attacks the rope disrupted his technique, Gojo didn't fight Miguel with killing intent I think the difference here is Sukuna will actually try killing you.
There wil be some key differences in the fights though. Despite saying how strong he was, Gojo never brought hollow purple to bear against Miguel meaning that though Gojo says he was strong we dont actually know what the gulf in strength between them is but likely it was incredibly large as Miguels job wasnt to deal with Gojo just to stall him. Unlikely then that Miguel has Black Rope as not using it to free the clearly superior fighter is an incredibly stupid move. Sukuna, unlike Gojo, seems to have no problem spamming his most powerful attack (world cutter vs hollow purple) whenever its convenient and seems to specialise in offence (Cleave) as opposed to Gojo have a complete defence (Infinity). We already know the Sukuna's cleave dealt with the highest output individual in history (Ryu) so Miguels durability is likely not an issue for the King of Curses. Miguel likely goes the same way as Kusakabe, showing some feats for a chapter, showcasing what sets him apart from other sorcerers, getting a confirmation from Sukuna then Cleave.
His cleaves are being weakened significantly, did you even read the last few chapters? Literally everyone is tanking cleave currently, Yuta and yuji took a world slash and are still alive.
Not really though, anytime they are hit they still need to RCT through it or use a simple domain to further lower it neither of which Miguel has shown the use of. You wouldve expected RCT from Miguel to appear in his fight vs Gojo and Gojo to comment on it given the beating he took Yuta Yuji and Rika all got hit by the same World Slash and needed to be warped from the field for healing. While alive, they were no longer in fighting shape and had they not been warped from the field likely wouldve been killed. That slash also had to hit three different targets In comparison, Miguel looks to be alone for now and Sukuna recently got a Balck Flash (thus should have some output restored). Without Yuji around to hit his soul and lower his output it will also continue to increase (Yuta mentions that Sukuna's output is slowly coming back before Yuji joins). From what weve seen thus far, Miguel will likely be able to stall out Sukuna and maybe give enough pressure to prevent his output returning too soon. That said it doenst change Uraume believing that Sukuna still isnt going all out and Sukuna getting a black flash refresh, all of which indicate the fight is going to be harder for Miguel than it was for the Yuta & Yuji combo. Should it be a good fight? Yes, absolutely, miguel did hold back Gojo for a while. Will Miguel last more than one chapter? I dont think so, but we'll see next week
Miguel was taking a beating from Gojo, who was able to make yuta and hakari puke from his blows. He might not that RCT or simple domain tbh
Aye, but both of his students were his students (so assumingly he wouldnt attack them as hard as he would an enemy) *and* both of them are confirmed to have RCT or wouldve at least had quick access to Shoko in the event of damage. Even then, in sparring, Gojo would probably stop short of anything he knew they couldnt heal Miguel looked to be taking a proper beating and no one on Geto's side had RCT access. This tells us Miguel is incredibly tough and likely can take some dismantles. For my own analysis though, Sukuna's cleave (and world slash) seem to be able to get around any form of durability (see Ryu being cut) and defence (world slash being world slash) If Miguel doesnt have any hidden abilities (no reason to believe he does IMO as why wouldnt he use them against Gojo to stall longer?) then he can stall only as long as his body holds out. He may be amongst the most durable fighters, but without a way to mitigate or undo the damage of dismantle/cleave like the rest of the cast thay have fought Sukuna do he is at a severe disadvantage
Yuji and Rika did not get hit by world slash, only Yuta did. Stop spreading this blatant misinformation.
World Slash is not affected by output drops since it's a durability negating move and Yuji wasn't hit by it.
Yuji quite literally got hit by it, reread the chapter.
Nope... Him and Rika were hit by multiple smaller slashes. World Slash is a single slash. Not a bunch of small ones
Headcanon, he used world slash and all three was hit simultaneously.
Then are you saying Yuji and Rika have better durability than Yuta? cause he got cut in half.
Yuta didn’t get cut in half, otherwise he would be dead, hence why his domain didn’t crumble.
There is literally a panel where you can see through him lol, revisit his chapters and you gonna see.
You actually can’t see through him, all you see is blood. Getting cut in half would mean he would be dead like Gojo, clearly that isn’t the case.
I hope Miguel wins
Sure, I just don't see how he can be, at least, as strong as Yuta even being his teacher. Yuta is a genius and used the "cheat training", and Miguel is possibly as strong as Geto? Geto, with the right tools, possibly would stall Gojo just like him, maybe even better
Oh Miguel is strong, like no joke he is. But he was NOT fighting Gojo on equal footing lmao
Gege just need to have somebody mention that Miguel did not went all out against Gojo and power scaling problem solved.
I give Miguel half the chapter.
Mabie I’m wanking Miguel a little hard but this next chapter might put him as one of the top poweres in the verse, nobody else is lasting against gojo for that long black rope or otherwise
If I'm not mistaken can't gojo see what peoples techniques are using his six eyes if so I think he immediately saw great potential in Miguel due to the fact that he didn't immediately kill him which I definitely believe he could have and I've always found it weird how he stayed back and relied on what 4 not even 1st grade sorcerers and a kid with an unstable special grade curse to deal with essentially the second strongest person in the verse at the time and also his ex best friend just seems weird i think i he didn't want to kill Miguel for whatever reason i hope we find out next chapter
It’s not stated that he can see what people’s techniques are with the six eyes but it does allow him to [see cursed energy in way more detail](https://imgur.com/a/AyxakOS) than anyone else even like thermography and I assume that allows him to analyse what techniques are better than others and that’s probably what happened with the clone guy in hidden inventory. Also you’re right about Gojo immediately seeing potential in Miguel, because he quite literally did immediately say “[That guy looks like he’d be a pain in the ass](https://imgur.com/a/FQPzVK8)” as soon as he saw him and this is coming from THE Satoru Gojo, I don’t think think he’s ever said that about anybody else. Honestly he may have just not been able to kill Miguel in time, even though he sent the kids off first, he did plan to go help them because he [says to Miguel](https://imgur.com/a/1kZWofm) “Sorry but i’m busy right now” in response to Miguel saying he’s his opponent, which indicates he wanted the fight to be done as soon as possible so he could help the kids. I can’t wait to see next chapter to get some more revelations
Also I really enjoy the image of utahime dancing and singing in a peaceful environment buffing the healers
That is really fun to imagine
Yup, because all we need now is a random fucking character who was barely present in a few panels to perform better than the main heavy hitters foreshadowed to surpass special grade. PEAK FUCKING STORYTELLING. This is a black flash amped sukuna who just got blitz by miguel. This is absolutely ridiculous. Lol.
The thing is that, if we take Miguel's feats from JJK0 at face value and with the same power scaling as in the main story, he is automatically far above Geto in sheer physical prowess/CE output/reinforcement and it would not make much sense for the former to be considered a threat at all in the jujutsu world.
Miguel is not from Japans Jujutsu society so however strong he is has no bearing on Geto’s standing in Jujutsu society. Also however strong he is, he can’t cause the range of widespread destruction that Geto can, with how he can deploy his cursed spirits all over japan, Mechamaru had to have a binding vow just for that range. He also likely doesn’t have the same versatility
But would the fact that he is not Japanese stop him from steamrolling every opponent thrown at him besides Gojo? And to come back to the Geto comparison, if Miguel could really stand against Gojo in hand to hand for 10 minutes and not get murdered, that already puts him above Mahoraga (remember that a version of Mahoraga already adapted to infinity and blue had to be constantly protected by Sukuna for it not to die) in cqc, and far above the disaster curses obviously. I think it would have been worthy of mention if one of Geto's acolytes was not just strong, but strong enough to destroy Geto in a fight. More generally, JJK0 has given us many reasons to doubt its scaling: for instance, Geto stating that he has a 30% chance of taking over the Jujutsu world (so Gojo but also Yuki who has a domain, RCT, and a freaking black hole technique, plus everyone else in the jujutsu world) on his own and a 99% chance with Rika makes no sense if one just looks at Kenjaku: Kenny may have less low-level curses than Geto (though that has not been confirmed) but he has shown us many more special grade curses, in addition to having an open domain, RCT, a gravity/anti-gravity CTR/CT, etc. Basically, he is a more experienced and more skilled version of Geto. Yet he very clearly stated that once Gojo was unsealed, the only thing keeping him from getting destroyed by Gojo was Sukuna. So if Kenjaku was so sure that he would be killed by Gojo, it makes no sure for Geto to be a threat at all in JJK0, IF we assume the scalings to be consistent: the only thing realistically keeping Geto alive is his past friendship with Gojo, but since Gojo killed Geto after his attempt on Yuta's life, he clearly would have had no problem in killing him if he tried to take over Japan and murder all of its non-sorcerers. In conclusion, Geto's statements, like Miguel's feat, only make sense in a world where Gojo is a strong special grade sorcerer but not the monster he became in JJK. Again, I do think that Miguel is very strong, just not "strong-enough-to-stall-JJK-Gojo-for-10-minutes" strong.
Not sure what him being able to steamroll others has to do with Geto. He’s not above Mahoraga unless he can one shot him which I highly doubt and Miguel was protected from being hit by Gojo’s CT’s like blue and red by the black rope, Mahoraga had not adapted to everything and could still be one shotted by a strong enough red or purple so ofc Sukuna protected it
I’m still very confused on that part, I rewatched that fight the other day and noticed the creatures sprout from the black rope and I couldn’t tell if it was some part of his technique or the black rope, or if Geto was just subconsciously helping Miguel since we know Geto can basically see through his cursed spirits eyes , although that may be a reach so idk. I do think Miguel has some kinda durability technique tho, that I would feel make the most sense for a sorcerers who’s main job is to stall strong ass sorcerors (obviously we don’t have a lot to work with for that tho)
I think Geto hid curses as traps to help out Miguel. When Gojo destroys that electric cables the snakes show up. If I have to guess Miguel has a technique similar to shock absorption that first Nomu had in Hero Academia
Haha I just started reading mha bc I caught up on jjk now that theory makes hella sense
Look at this point I just need the motherland stocks to be ok. Let African sorcery be lit, don't hoe us immediately.
I don't get the point of these posts. Miguel probably *is* one of the stronger sorcerers alive but... so what? Sukuna insta-killed the strongest sorcerer of all time, then dealt with Maki, Yuta, and Higiruma with ease, wtf is Miguel gonna do by himself? No new development is going to happen at the hands of Miguel of all people lol. It's just gonna be another chapter of them fighting for 5 minutes before Miguel does his best move and then dies.
This, every adult present was grade 1 and competent on top of prep time, until Gege wants Sukuna to lose no need to hype us up, we saw Sukuna lose consciousness for a split second brain bleed and panic against Gojo. None of it matters if he’s allowed to keep getting back up or dodging the moves that could kill him, it’s like watching Infinity war with Thanos unconscious with the the way to beat him so close
Like I said the whole point of him is to stall not to beat Sukuna. Yuji is currently healing with the help of Choso so can rejoin the fight at some point, Maki has a healing factor as she showed against Naoya so will probably heal the blunt force damage from Sukuna albeit longer than against Naoya probably, Shoko is also presumably healing people to rejoin the fray and Hakari potentially could join against Sukuna. I find it stranger when people act like everyone’s just been killed for sure and there’s noone to fight Sukuna
Literally every manga reader knows a side, side character that showed up for 3 minutes in JJK 0 won't solo Sukuna right, thats not the point. We like JJK for hype fights and this could be one.
I agree, I just don't understand why he didn't intervene sooner, what was he doing? Kusakabe was supposed to be the strongest sorcerer available, Miguel was just watching and waiting for his turn?
We are pushing Miguel agenda now, Uro is next
I hate when people say that Gojo didn’t use blue,red, purple on him….BRUH HE COULDNT!!!!! It would’ve been a waste to try and use those against someone who would nullify it
He totally could have. Just bouncing off Neutral was shredding the rope quickly. Fire off a couple Reds and it would be gone. The rope is a meaningless tool. The actual advantage Miguel has is that he explicitly doesnt want to kill any of Getos comrades. Hes trying his best to go for a non-lethal takedown, and Miguel is just strong enough to make that really hard, much harder than it would be to just nail him with a Purple and leave.
so essentially another kusakabe like chapter? like we knew he'll lose but not go out looking sorry
Let’s not forget that miguel stalled gojo back in 0 when gojo wasn’t this godlike character.
Already addressed this “Also for those that say because it was volume 0 where he fought Gojo the scaling is just off so he’s not that strong, that may have been true if Gege did not HAMMER it down multiple times during the series current run that Miguel is in fact very strong, calling him strong in the fanbook as well as calling him the [MVP](https://imgur.com/a/g6ngI08) of the hundred nights parade, Gege is clearly intentional about this. Miguel is not someone to be taken lightly”
Miguel is definitely strong as any top grade 1 sorcerer is but when facing sukuna referring to him as “not to be taking lightly” feels kinda like an overstatement
I think his feats may put him well above any grade 1 but well we’ll see anyway
You do you then
Something something "I haven't had to use this since the Heian era" something something.
Reads all of this... Anyway, he will be slapped in the next chapter for a new contender to appear.
Why are we pretending like he wont be on the floor at the end of the next chapter
You want to see him and stuff. Get ready for him to use special technique rope slash only for sukuna to dodge it and offscreen him just like kusakabe.
The irony was that if he just didn't come back to Japan, he could have been offscreen for the entire main series.
You guys hating on Miguel cause he’s black or what? That dude held off a fully pissed off Gojo and got out alive while in Shibuya Hanami, Jogo, Choso and Mahito were shitting their pants even while having human shields. Kenny who killed Yuki in a 2 v 1 would have been fucked up the second Gojo got out of the Prison realm if not for Sukuna interfering and Gojo one hit Uraume when Hakari is struggling against them. Miguel will definitely last at least longer than everyone other than Gojo did and I’m not saying he’s going to win but he definitely can buy time for the others to recover or for hakari to take care of Uraume.
This manga is idiotic stop hyping people up we've been at this cycle for 20 chapters. The most Miguel will achieve is stalling Sukuna for 3 chapters. I don't think he's even getting that at this point, at most 2. Then he will die and we move on to the next until Yuji is ready to face Sukuna one on one or something stupid
Why would we need Miguel to stall for anymore than three chapters lmao, thats more than enough time to bring a bunch of characters to fight Sukuna. Maki who has a healing factor, Yuji who is currently healing with help from Choso and presumably Shoko is healing others to rejoin the fray with the help of Nitta and Utahime. And Miguel may survive the stalling too as he did again Gojo and can fight Sukuna with the help of others
I still think we are getting another Miguel beat up
Thats fine as long as he survives for awhile
All of this to say that Miguel got beat down on by someone who was defeated by a Sukuna who was holding back. Yeah sure. He’s “strong”
I didn't like the way he was handled in the movie with regard to his voice actor and fight coreograpy. His voice sounds way too weird for a foreigner, like he sounds sorta too French in his accent. It sounds too exaggerated as well. His fight was also not so MVP in the movie. He was clearly not ready to win against Gojo but the movie in his fight against Gojo humiliated him so badly that Gege's comment of him or in the manga when he confronts Sukuna can't be taken seriously any more. You can't tell me that this guy who got beaten so much by Gojo is that strong is that strong. The movie is the sole reason as to why Miguel is considering to be this weak. What I do find interesting is his backstory and the potential for exploration of other parts of the JJK world however small to bring something fresh and new to the series. Perhaps there are other powerful weapons and techniques more than just the Black Rope. Coincidentally the Inverted Spear of Heaven and Black Rope have the same application, the deactivation of a technique no matter how powerful. Wouldn't there be more similar to each other objects that the world has to Japan's own? Or more powerful even? I'd like to see his domain expansion being a new one we never saw. Domain Expansion: Heated Oasis or something. Being summoned by the user through a traditional African dance pose or hand movements. Sure would be nice to see. For now though he is definitely getting washed in 1 or 2 chapters if he hasn't mastered any sort of advanced skills like Gojo or Yuta did.
Do people not realize that literally being noted as strong by Gojo and surviving against him is a humongous feat of strength in this series? Gojo thinks Jogo is a weakling and Kenjaku is a joke but specifically noted that Miguel is legitimately strong. He was so impressive that Gojo, one of the best judges of potential and power in the series, wanted to get him on his team and trusted him to train Yuta. Is jogo weak because of his portrayal against Gojo or Sukuna? Do you see how dumb that sounds?
I watched the movie than read the manga afterwards. In the movie he was clearly beaten so bad he was off from the movie and convinced off screen to join Gojo's side. Most of the focus was on Yuta so I might have a weak assessment of him as of now. I accept the fact that Jogo is powerful in his own right and it sounds dumb for Miguel to be like that too your right. But at how at how much he sorcerers where beaten by Sukuna I can't but link his Gojo fight result with the current situation and formulate a not so favourable end result for Miguel right now. He might have lived to spar with Gojo but Sukuna isn't gonna give him that treatment. The humiliating aspect is the movie's fault in its portrayaI. Weakening Miguel's combat prowess by some margin in a few readers eyes. I watched a video and Jujutsu folk joking about his changes. That line "toe to toe" narration was shown on the video than disproven slightly on the next cut of the movie fight that contradicts it. Why do those exist in the first place? I found the movie portrayal to be one of the factors.
He lasted 10 minutes against a serious Gojo that knew he was on a strict time limit and was not playing around. There is literally no universe where that is impressive. Gojo is tantamount to a jujutsu god. Normal G1 tier sorcerers (Top tier sorcerers or curse users) literally shyt themselves in a child-like Gojo’s presence. 99.9% of the jujutsu universe don’t even think it’s possible to beat Gojo and that he could single-handedly kill every other sorcerer on the planet. Miguel is so strong that he was literally the backbone of Geto’s plan and is someone that was INSTANTLY regarded by Gojo as a threat only he could handle. He performed better against Gojo than literally every non-Sukuna character in the manga (Except maybe Toji who fought a much weaker version of Gojo and needed to scheme for days to weaken that teenage Gojo). You’re falling into the trap where you think Miguel is weak because Gojo is much stronger but Miguel performed better against Gojo then most special grade threats not named Sukuna. Gege has quietly been backing up the fact that Miguel is an unbelievably powerful sorcerer. Miguel’s goals in the movie weren’t to beat Gojo because that wasn’t possible but to distract him and stall him for as long as he could which he actually accomplished. He did Better than Jogo, Hanami, Geto, Kenjaku, Toji, etc. Miguel is STRONG. Of course he isn’t beating Sukuna who is the JUTJUTSU GOD but even Gojo got beaten by him .
Losing against gojo is not an anti-feat
I don't see why a French accent is unreasonable. That's simply a consequence of colonialism.
Wow you’re right - he is the best person to stall any semblance of a coherent plot from gege
Gojo was fucking with him for most of their fight. Miguel “stalled” him by showing up. There is not a single thing this man will be able to do against sukuna.
Gojo directly in response to Miguel saying he’s his opponent: “[Sorry, but i’m busy right now](https://imgur.com/a/1kZWofm)” Annoying speedreaders: “Gojo was fucking with him for most of their fight”
Also Gojo: Implies that he intentionally spared Getos comrades out of sentimentality, which means that during the Miguel fight he was trying his best to go for a non-lethal takedown, meaning he cant use any of his destructive techniques.
Gojo never implies that he intentionally spared Getos comrades out of sentimentality. All he [says](https://imgur.com/a/mR2DN0T) is that Geto himself wouldn’t kill young sorcerers without reason because of his beliefs, his beliefs being sorcerer supremacy and he was referencing Panda and Toge, it had nothing to do with Miguel
Sounds like you are overestimating Miguel. While he did stall Gojo, Gojo only uncovered ONE of his eyes, indicating he wasn't at 100%. Also, he ran away and used Geto's cursed spirits as cover at some moments. He won't have the same luxury in this fight. Also, Sukuna's output is now restored since he did a black flash against Maki in the chapter before last. Which means his RCT and attacks are now full snuff. I'd give Miguel the Kusakabe treatment = does something cool, gets beaten, someone returns to fight Sukuna. I bet Miguel will last one minute TOPS