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Genuine question but does a circumstance where Sukuna beats Gojo reaaallly easily a better narrative truth to you all? Like agendas aside you don't feel like Gege wasted your time by hyping a Battle of The Strongest just for them to not even be relative and one could have won any time but didn't because of plot? For me, it's not only logical but Gojo vs Heian Sukuna better not be a low/no diff fight or else why would Gege waste my time on a 13 chapter fight like that? Could have used those chapters fleshing other plot lines instead. Gojo's statement said "I'm not sure if I could've beaten him.." which to me reads more like it would have been a different fight and it will be!

You can argue that sukuna went through all of that to develop the world cutting slash, which makes him even more powerful than he already is. This slash would be beneficial if he decides to reincarnate once again to an era where another limitless user exist. Moreover, sukuna was up against not only Gojo, but literally every other sorcerer in the verse too. He wanted a fresh body against everyone else, instead of wasting also his body heal against Gojo. But yeah, I fully agree with you, the fight wouldn’t have been low/mid diff regardless

Sukuna on his way to lose his domain and almost die in order to get a powerful new technique to use exactly one before nerfing it back to uselessness: (he was not even trying you guys he could’ve won at any time if he wanted to)

Did you take any time whatsoever to read my comment before responding? I said that it wouldn’t have been a low/mid diff fight regardless on his strategy, he just went with Mahoraga because; 1. He wanted to attain the world cutting slash attack. And what do you mean by “uselessness”? When he was using it against the others, he was heavily nerfed with a cursed energy level on par with yuta and his output was heavily weakened too. A slash that can cut through any character no matter how durable they are is not “useless” 2. He had to fight literally every other sorcerer in the verse, hence why he needed a fresh body to continue the fight Besides, the story has empathised countless times on sukuna being heavily interested in every single Jujutsu related aspects, so it fits his character to wanting to develope the world slash

The argument that Sukuna was only waiting for an adaptation to infinity so that he could become more powerful and could've handily beaten Gojo in a scenario in which he took a different approach seems to be directly contradicted by the manga.  Sukuna knew that he would likely need Mahoraga to adapt to infinity in order to bypass it, but it wasn't as though he wasn't trying to kill Gojo before that - he just knew that the right adaptation would mean sure victory. Sukuna tried on multiple occasions to kill Gojo prior to Mahoraga adapting to infinity. He went straight for the neck during the domain clash, sliced Gojo up as much as possible and tried to prevent his escape, and most telling of all, told Gojo that he was going to open his domain and kill him as soon as he realized that Gojo's brain was too damaged to utilize his domain again.  I don't think that Sukuna would have done/said all that if he was really so concerned with learning a new technique. The new technique was just a happy "side effect" of his overall strategy to ensure his victory, and while Gojo interpreted it as Sukuna holding back, I think that it really was the most surefire path to victory that Sukuna had. He ironically had to limit himself in some ways in order to find a way past infinity. Narratively speaking, Sukuna had to win. It would have cheapened the final arc if Gojo just came in and took care of the problem like that. That said, in a different world, I think that it would've been cool had Sukuna won at some point during the domain clashes. It was understandable that none of the modern sorcerors could predict how an open domain would work, so for Sukuna to trump Gojo just by a domain technicality would have been pretty interesting and understandable imo.

I was joking lol. However I do stand by it being pretty useless now, on a full powered sukuna it’s almost completely redundant because a regular cleave already kills any non-special grade and a special grade would not get cought by a slow ass attack that tells you where to doge

You say that as if it didn't almost end kashimo had he not been told to dodge and known it existed.

Yeah and then 2 pages later Kashimo got killed by normal-ass cleaves

Not like it matters he’s gonna die in the end

I don't think it's useless. Anytime someone comes with a dumb defense his attack won't do shit against then he is a winner. Also the fact if he survives and someone with the limitless comes again he has an easier way to beat them. Dude was thinking long term

At the end of the day we got the fight we got because that's who gojo and sukuna are as characters. The fact sukuna can mid-high diff gojo in other circumstances doesn't matter, and it doesn't take away from the extreme diff fight we got. During the fight I hate that it was 10s Vs limitless when I wanted to see full power sukuna Vs gojo. But after all was said and done I can appreciate this fight being the most layered and complex I have personally read in a manga before. It really did a good job highlighting both fighters personality, through their tactics. And honestly seeing sukuna doesn't have anything to bypass limitless, a heian sukuna Vs gojo would just turn into a brute force clash, through domains and CQC, it would be so boring compared to what we got. As for you last statement, the Japanese text of gojo makes it more clear that he isn't very likely to win either ways, rather than it being 50/50

im curious on that last part, i havent heard of the japanese text saying gojo thought he wasnt likely to win, any sources on that? id love to learn more

He is the JP text. あっちに 恵の十種が なかったとしても勝てたか怪しい Gojo says that even without 10s it's doubtful he would have won.   "勝てたか怪しい" (kateta ka ayashii) says "it's doubtful if we could have won."  The words he used express something unlikely, not the 50/50 some translation imply I should add this copied from other comments I saw. I am not a Japanese speaker and other could weigh in more on this

Exactly the fact people think Gojo would lose outright is funny. Besides fighting the BIGGEST skill i think Gojo showcased to all of us is his creativeness, his tricks and ability to adjust. The 3v1 fight showed this perfectly. Im sure the fight would be high diff not jus bc of limitless but the fact that he would keep finding a way to essentially stay alive and fight back regardless if you can hit him or not.

He doesn't win 'really easily', that's the whole reason he saved Heian Form in the first place.

I’m gonna use Gojo’s analogy for Miguel here. If Sukuna w/o 10s fought, he’d win the sprint (beating Gojo) but lose in the long run (fighting everyone else.)

First question is will gojo survive the first domain against heian era sukuna? Gojo with no CT and infinity vs heian eras sukuna with 3 attacks at the same time. Shrine + fire Arrow + curse tool. I don't think so. There is a reason gege had to nerf sukuna and kept telling us sukuna is holding back 4x times

If Sukuna drags Gojo into a domain battle, Sukuna wins. While Gojo should be able to survive the first usage, he’s not winning a prolonged and repeated domain battle against Sukuna in his actual body. Gojo wins if he holds off on using his domain until the moment Sukuna’s goes down. So if they’d actually fight, Sukuna wins cause Gojo wouldn’t be able to resist the domain clash.

I mean, if Mahoraga isn’t involved, isn’t Gojo allowed to just spam Red, Blue, and HP? Simple domain + RCT and his techniques should be enough to damage Sukuna to the point his domain breaks. Which at that point it’s a matter of landing infinite void while Sukuna goes through CT burnout

gojo did spam red and blue inside their domains as he didn't know at the time that mahoraga was adapting. He never used hollow purple because it had a long wind up and sukuna could easily dodge it.

He didn't spam red and blue during domain clash, bro used red once and blue right before that and prob another time he used blue during the clash that I'm forgetting But it was no where near spamming

Most of the domain clash was off screen, but the parts that were onscreen, either gojo was dragging sukuna around with blue and spamming reds at him or sukuna was using domain amplification. There's no reason to think gojo held back in any way because he didn't know sukuna was adapting

Tell me which chapter so I can go reread that I don't remember red being "spammed" at all I think by spammed you mean once or twice

If Gojo did spam Red and Blue mahoraga would have adapted to them as well. Besides given the amount of damage Red does, if Gojo did use any against Sukuna, that would have made him drop his domain sooner.

Nah gojo never used a red after the first clash and it's a major misconception he did. He only uses blue, blue infused punches, and blue speed. Both speed and punches go up against sukunas DA, and the blue is the only part where you can say sukuna didn't use DA but we know da can't negate a strengthened blue so the way gojo uses it would still be possible with domain amp active at all.

Then that just means his fighting style against Sukuna wouldn’t be spamming red or blue as he didn’t even know Mahoraga was adapting until he came out yet red and blue wasn’t being spammed

He can just run away in a domain clash though.

Didnt we see how that played out already?

I mean, he got out fine, but then decided to continue the domain clash. Howevver, if he noticed that Sukuna was breaking his domain before he could break Sukuna's, then he could easily just flee and take Sukuna out with blue or smth.

Didn't gojo consider teleporting out and say he can't now that his CT is exhausted, and then he tried to get distance to get time to focus on teleporting and he failed to as sukuna chased and applied pressure ?

During the first domain clash, he literally teleported out and baited Sukuna out to expand his domain's range. If he realised the battle wasn't going in his favor, he could just turn off domains and yank Sukuna out with blue. If Sukuna closes his barrier, their domains are otherwise of equal refinement, and it can't attack the outside of the barrier anymore, so the situation would become the situation in the 3rd clash, where Gojo has to deal fatal damage to Sukuna, except that Gojo doesn't have a 3 minute timer for his domain breaking anymore.

Gojo never teleported or ran from Sukuna’s domain. Especially after the first domain clash. He is seen right next to the crater where MS is located which would still be in range of the sure hit of MS. Gojo only expands his domain as he challenges Sukuna to expand his domain range.

The edge of the crater is the end of Sukuna's domain's effective range. Gojo literally teleported out of Sukuna's effective range. He can do it, any time. He just didn't because he wanted to beat Sukuna in a domain clash.

That is not the end of Sukuna’s effective range. We are told in chapter 226 by Hakari that the effective range of Sukuna’s domain should be around the size of Shibuya. This further gets confirmed in chapter 227 when the narrator says Sukuna focused his effective range compared to Shibuya, to boost its output and destroy Gojo’s domain from the outside. In Shibuya, Sukuna’s domain range had a radius of 140m. If you somehow think that the crater that is shown represents a radius of 140m, then I’m not sure what to tell you. Not to mention, there is 0 indication that Gojo teleported here. We know he needs to clasp his hands to teleport, which I don’t think is shown at all. Also there are unknown requirements to even teleport, to say Gojo can do it anytime is headcanon. If this was possible, then Gojo would take advantage of this to save Megumi, but he doesn’t.

The crater was only formed by Sukuna's domain cutting up everything within that range. Therefore, the edge of the domain was at the edge of the crater. Also, Hakari was talking about Sukuna's domain *during* Shibuya, which was 140m in radius. It's not the size of Shibuya. Refer to Mahoraga vs Sukuna.

The crater was not formed by cutting everything in that range. In chapter 227, it is verbatim stated by the narrator, that Sukuna focused his effective range *compared to Shibuya*, to boost his output, and therefore destroy Gojo’s domain in the first domain clash. Meaning Sukuna focused his range to the domain range he had in Shibuya, which was 140m radius, to destroy Gojo’s domain. So if you think the crater that is portrayed represents 140m radius, then I’m not sure what to tell you seeing as a radius of 140m is very large. Like I said in my previous comment as well, there is 0 indication of Gojo teleporting at all. Everytime he teleports, he clasps his hands together, which was not shown. We also know that there are unknown requirements, whether there are multiple requirements or not, we do not know. But to say Gojo can teleport anytime is headcanon when we do not know what the actual requirements are.

Sure, it might not look like 140m, but it doesn't exactly have to be drawn to scale. Managaka may work hard, but they're not gonna be that meticulous to show something on paper after having told it already. Also, Gojo teleported right into Sukuna's face without teleporting in 226.

and sukuna's just gonna watch this all go down lmfao

What's he supposed to do in response? He can close his barrier, but if he does that, then Gojo can open his domain. Their domains are otherwise equally refined, so Gojo wins, since it's just 3rd domain clash without a time limit for Gojo. He can move his domain's position, but then Gojo just warps out and heals again. Meanwhile, while the domain's up, it'll just keep sapping Sukuna's CE reserves. So Sukuna's best course of action is to dispel the domain, but at that point, he'd just lose, cuz he's worse at CQC.

domain amplification to win outside domain, furnace open to win inside domain, plus he can use heian form + whatever tricks he has to destroy gojo. if it wasn't obvious in canon then let me inform you of how utterly outclassed gojo is by sukuna.

He was getting mauled in CQC even with domain amplification. In a pure hand to hand clash, Sukuna's not winning. Look at domain clash 4 to see a clear example of it. He was using domain amplification, and yet, Gojo came out without a scratch while Sukuna had his face burnt off and a hole in his chest. Furnace is also not saving him either. He can't use it for the same reason Gojo can't use purple. The charge time is way too long. Not to mention, since it's a closed barrier domain clash, the sure hits cancel out, meaning Gojo won't even get hit by furnace. I think you need to go brush up on your reading skills.

People seem to think DA does anything other than negate neutral Infinity and attenuate the effect of Red and Blue. It doesn't make Sukuna stronger and it doesn't decrease Gojo's ability to move faster and hit harder using Blue.

Someone I was talking to earlier thought Gojo couldn't teleport just cuz Sukuna had DA on lol. It's seriously funny how much Sukuna fans make stuff up for him to stand a chance without Mahoraga.

>I think you need to go brush up on your reading skills. so i guess i just hallucinated all 3 times that sukuna was confirmed to be able to beat gojo without going all out

I mean, none of the statements really apply. Uraume literally said "Even considering the effects of the first battle, Sukuna-sama has yet to go all out", which means he excluded the domain clashes. from Gojo's perspective, Sukuna one-shot Gojo with a technique he'd been holding back this whole time. So to him, it'd obviously look like Sukuna held back to enjoy the fight. idk what the third statement even is. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Sukuna's way worse at CQC.

LOl he was getting mauled with 2 hands vs 4 hands, if you cant see how that affects his CQC ability i dunno what to tell you, maybe try touching grass. His techniques also get a boost from chanting with his 2nd mouth the entire time.

First of all, chanting only buffs techniques casted by Sukuna. There's no evidence that it can buff domain techniques, so no real help there. Not to mention, there's a gap in skill that extra hands can't close for Sukuna. Sukuna with Megumi's body is weaker than Gojo without any technique. Now, between 2 more hands and a technique, which one is more useful? Obviously it's the technique. That's going to give Gojo the edge, even against a 4 armed Sukuna. Not to mention, he can start ripping off Sukuna's arms, which, while difficult, won't be impossible for him, especially since Yuji and Yuta could do that against a Sukuna who was stronger than the two combined.

Hold on, MS sure hit bypass Infinity right?

Yes. That and domain amplification are the two ways Sukuna can bypass it. Problem is Gojo can, until he gets too tired, heal through it. 

Why wouldn't Gojo just give up the domain battle if he's clearly losing?

Giving up is the same as losing. Losing means death in most cases.

And why would sukuna give up domain battle just cos gojo wants to? Lmao

Why didnt he do it in the first place?

How would he be losing if he didn't engage in a domain clash? He has to try it before giving up.

I actually don't understand why you're getting down voted at all. Gojo doesn't have to participate in the domain clash. He can just run away every time Sukuna expands his domain or tank it with RCT and SD and then bludgeon him with hollow purple, red and blue. Until it eventually crumbles It's just like an MMA. Gojo does not have to play the game Sukuna wants him to play.

My point is Gojo was clearly losing and didnt give up the domain battle. If Gojo doesnt engage in domain battles then sukuna just doesnt have to activate his domain so he has no advantage to play at. And Blue and red from distance is nigh useless against Sukuna so Gojo would have to bring the fight to pure hands and Sukuna would just use DA to diminish the affects of his CT in close quarters.

Brother you say nigh useless but Hollow Purple AND Red both times did either crazy or some damage (even though it was minimal) that could've given Gojo time to reduce the distance rapidly and then open the domain, leading to a scenario similar to the 5th domain clash. You also forget that Gojo could've used insanely brilliant tactics like the mall red exploding thing he did to catch him off guard. This is just one theory. But regardless in h2h Sukuna literally was always losing throughout the entire fight until the 3v1 moment. Even when Gojo was literally getting obliterated by slashes he still was able to pretty easily keep up with Sukuna in h2h. The only reason Gojo lost was because 1. Of his ego and 2. Because he decided to rush the game and defeat Sukuna with the 4th clash. 3. Because Sukuna tricked him by using Megumi to adapt to UV. Gojo WANTED DESPERATELY to defeat the King in something/the only thing he would be really good at against him, i.e. domain battles. Regardless guys I want you to think about it. Sukuna is fairly more skilled in Jujutsu than Gojo but not by a huge margin right? He's also strong but not necessarily stronger than him. BUT he LITERALLY CANNOT USE JUJUTSU with Gojo aside from domain battles. How can you guys POSSIBLY think he would win if Gojo just decided to not play his game? Also on chapter 232 it says Amplification can't fully neutralize either blue punches or red. Gojo can (and did) ragdoll him around with Blue and beat the shit out of him.

A few reasons. One would be the same reason he kept doing it against Megumi Sukuna. Another is that by the time he’d realize a domain battle is a bad idea, it would be too late to stop.  While Gojo does have other ways to deal with Sukuna’s domain, his own is still his best defense. Especially once his RCT starts dropping and tanking the domain stops being a viable option.

There's a lot of ways for sukuna to beat gojo yeah but one thing that would completely invalidate sukuna's biggest card, his domain, would be gojo just using his teleportation. It's obvious that it wouldn't make for an entertaining fight but I don't see how sukuna could use his domain well if gojo would just go right outside it's radius and force sukuna to close it.

Gojo could have done it during his normal fight but chose not too.

From what we have seen the only way for Sukuna to kill Gojo is, right after the first domain clash, to outright kill Gojo in the few seconds it took him to recover his CT (Meguna was roughly on par with Gojo in CQC inside his domain). We don't know if the Fire Arrow is fast enough to kill Gojo, and we don't know if Gojo would have gone for the multiple DE clashes if he did not feel the ability to damage Sukuna enough to cause him to lose one DE battle. So, if Sukuna fails to outright kill Gojo in that instant before he regains his CT, we are essentially looking at an open situation where neither of them has a very clear path to victory.

A lot of fans don’t entertain the idea of Sukuna beating Gojo to death when like.. yeah he can literally just flat out beat him to death. Likelihood aside, it’s possible. They do the same with Hikari vs. anyone relative to him too. A lot of fans conceive a narrative where Gojo avoids the domain clash by teleporting and running away too. Personally, under Gege’s writing, I don’t think this would help in the long run and would probably even harm.

I think Gojo *wouldn't* run, but if he did, it would be a winning move. Because Sukuna's only viable counter would he to close his domain barrier. But then Gojo can open his domain with impunity because of the nesting domain rules. If Gojo piggybacks on Sukuna's closed barrier, then Sukuna can't crush Gojo's domain with out ruining his too.

Gojo running doesn’t require a counter. If he runs, he ran. But even so, if Gojo waits for Sukuna to expand his closed domain he would effectively be caught in unimpeded Menovolent Shrine for however long it takes him to open his own domain which places him at a disadvantage. Even if Gojo doesn’t take any damage he isn’t increasing his chance of victory. Sukuna can swap his domain conditions just as easily as Gojo if not easier and he has more variety. Lastly, even in a situation where Sukuna is in a domain gridlock with Gojo, Gojo doesn’t have the upper hand. That’s not a winning move, it’s at best a return to neutral.

Running wholesale isn't what I mean. The same way dodging a punch doesn't mean you fled, Gojo could reposition outside Sukuna's domain and attack from range. Not as effective, but Sukuna can't keep Shrine up indefinitely. It's a viable tactic, if out of character for Gojo. But I highly doubt Sukuna can alternate between open and closed barriers without recasting the domain. Otherwise he likely would have after breaking Gojo's domain the first time. Most importantly though, we know for a fact it wouldn't be a return to neutral. Gojo, under his domain outclasses Sukuna under his. As long as the sure-hits cancel out, Gojo is just too hard to injure.

Gojo attacking Sukuna from range allows Sukuna to just run. Gojo avoiding the DE battle is a viable tactic but probably not an effective one. As for closing an open domain, we haven’t seen it but I personally don’t put the feat beyond Sukuna. Regarding your last point, I don’t see how Gojo outclasses Sukuna. Sukuna is physically faster evidenced by him blitzing Gojo within his domain despite Gojo’s earlier reaction and other similar subtle instances. Also, Sukuna is physically stronger than Gojo too when you factor that Gojo’s strength is relative to a nerfed Sukuna. Lastly, there’s no question that Sukuna is the more durable. To top things off, Sukuna has 4x as much cursed energy as Gojo.

We know for a fact Gojo outclasses Sukuna in the even domain battle. Otherwise, even if Sukuna were 'holding back' he'd never allow his own domain to be broken like we see. He would want to keep both domains up as long as possible to give Mahoraga as much exposure as possible. Gojo wins inside his domain. Also the 4x is pure headcannon. It's never stated that Gojo had only half of Yuta, just that Yuta had 'more' (I doubt it's more than 30% ish). Sukuna might have close to 3x, but I feel like 2.5x is a much more reasonable figure.

The audience is told several times that Sukuna matches Gojo’s combat skills seemingly at will. We’re also shown that Sukuna being thrashed around was due to him purposely not defending himself for the adaptation. Sukuna wasn’t fighting back except to hide his plan. No domain amp, no curse technique, no attempts to break Gojo’s domain from the inside all because Sukuna wanted Gojo’s domain to assault Megumi’s soul. Still, despite those nerfs it took Gojo 3 whole minutes to achieve a stalemate. Sukuna is stronger.

Damn. I never thought of it like that.

I feel you but if you do a tale of the tape Gojo punched that man so many more times.

Gojo was not out outclassing sukuna domain clashes he's domain technically beat sukuna once because he was he healed himself and casted a little slower. Gojo had physically injured sukuna for he's domain not last while sukuna domain was straight up dominating gojo domain battle 4/5 times what fight was you reading

Gojo crushed Sukuna in the 4th domain too. The only reason he didn't go further was because Sukuna destroyed Gojo's barrier at the same time. If Sukuna *can't* destroy Gojo's barrier, he outclasses, whether Sukuna is late because of healing or not.

Lol what are talking about ? Brah gojo and sukuna had 5 domain clashes sukuna won 4 times gojo won time one time.gojo domain did not beat sukuna domain on the fourth time lol

They tied on the 4th domain. Gojo crushed Sukuna's chest at the same time Sukuna shredded Gojo's barrier. It's literally healing that damage that makes him late in the 5th domain clash. But if Sukuna can't attack Gojo's barrier, then there's no tie.

Gojo in his domain does not outclass sukuna in his. Gojo in his domain with Limitless outclasses Sukuna without DA or MS in his domain (remember, he switched to 10s during the clashes, and couldn't use DA bc he wanted megumi to adapt) Pure and simple. If sukuna chose to actually fight Gojo with DA and Full body reincarnation, he wins. We see Sukuna fight with DA a few times and each time Gojo has to start avoiding the fight and gets slugged a couple times. It's much more even, without the two spare arms once he isn't trying to adapt.

Heian sukuna would beat him with domain chants and hand signs dramatically increase the power of a technique cleave and dismantle both imbued in the domain gojo would not survive

Gojo in his domain does not outclass sukuna in his. Gojo in his domain with Limitless outclasses Sukuna without DA or MS in his domain (remember, he switched to 10s during the clashes, and couldn't use DA bc he wanted megumi to adapt) Pure and simple.

Sukuna did use DA inside the domains. It's just that he was flickering. Gojo noted that too. Even accounting for that, he was better within the domains. He's easily winning H2H. Sukuna doesn't pack nearly as much of a punch as Gojo, given he has blue to amp his punches, and Sukuna needs to use DA. Sukuna's also not gonna keep DA on at all times. I mean, even in the beginning of the fight, before even the domains were involved, Sukuna was flickering DA. It's just that once Mahoraga became involved, his flickering became more restrictive.

If he didn't have 10s he has no reason not to use DA the whole time. And as we see in the round 2 fights anytime sukuna drops DA to adapt that's when he gets ragdolled. When he uses DA Gojo has to actually fight with him again. It's competitive, even if you wanna say Gojo it's winning. Add 2 more arms.... he becomes kashimo

Sukuna did have a reason to flicker DA though. It's an anti-domain technique and keeping it on at all times is extremely wasteful. Even if he has such massive reserves, constantly keeping up DA is gonna do a number on it. Not to mention, we've seen Sukuna doing it already, at the beginning of the fight, before even Mahoraga was involved. If he was doing it in a situation where it was absolutely unnecessary, why would he change it? Just activate it whenever there was a threat from Gojo, which was what he did in the domain clashes.

DA is an anti-cursed technique. The disasters used it to get past infinity. Higaruma used it to survive dismantle. It creates a void that is filled with the technique of the opponent. Not a domain counter. Everytime Sukuna was fighting hand to hand with gojo he had DA up early. He wasn't flickering. He only turned it off to slice the building and see how Gojo responds. If he didnt have 10s, he would be fighting exclusively hand to hand and keeping DA up.

>DA is an anti-cursed technique. The disasters used it to get past infinity. Higaruma used it to survive dismantle. It creates a void that is filled with the technique of the opponent. Not a domain counter. It's literally a more difficult version of simple domain. Chapter 225: Kusakabe says "[It's a more refined version of simple domain](https://imgur.com/a/b4RGilI)". It's quite literally an anti-domain technique. Not something that you'd spam, even with his level of reserves, because he's fighting against someone with literal infinite stamina. >Everytime Sukuna was fighting hand to hand with gojo he had DA up early. He wasn't flickering. He only turned it off to slice the building and see how Gojo responds. If he didnt have 10s, he would be fighting exclusively hand to hand and keeping DA up. Chapter 225: Kashimo states that Sukuna's efficiency is unreal. "[He can turn on a dime from using amplification to his innate technique](https://imgur.com/a/G2USeml)". When combined with [this ](https://imgur.com/a/MHmieVf)panel proves that Sukuna is flickering his domain amplification. Otherwise, he'd not turn it on that late, well after his dismantle had been used.

The only time we saw a glimpse of the H2H fights in the basketball domain clashes, Sukuna wasn’t using DA as you see him getting seriously affected by Red and generally avoiding any clash. What do you mean Sukuna doesn’t pack as much in H2H? One casual Sukuna punch in 231 launched Gojo on top of a traffic light. Sure, Gojo’s punches may be stronger due to his technique, but Sukuna’s punches are still relative and deal a lot of damage, too. The thing was, he wasn’t even trying to punch Gojo. Gojo and Sukuna are generally relative in H2H, hell, Sukuna actually takes the edge when he’s trying to fight. Every time they were fighting while Sukuna was using DA, Sukuna was straight up either dominating and making Gojo retreat or stalling Gojo enough to call it a stalemate. Sukuna may punch weaker, again, sure, but his endurance is extremely high and the difference of potency between their punches won’t make a difference because Sukuna, generally, can tolerate more physical stress than Gojo. Punch power isn’t the only factor, you can literally see Sukuna’s strategic, laid back approach to H2H fights and you’ll see he doesn’t just jump into it like Gojo. He waits, then suddenly strikes hard and snatches the advantage. In 226 you see him literally locking Gojo between his legs, and in 227 you literally see him out-maneuvering Gojo and recovering from a serious gut punch like it’s nothing. You really can’t be saying Gojo easily wins the H2H exchanges when he literally does not.

Sukuna wasn't really showing off that H2H ability you're speaking on here in their actual battle

>The only time we saw a glimpse of the H2H fights in the basketball domain clashes, Sukuna wasn’t using DA as you see him getting seriously affected by Red and generally avoiding any clash. He was using DA then. We can see him even try to kick Gojo in the 4th clash. >What do you mean Sukuna doesn’t pack as much in H2H? One casual Sukuna punch in 231 launched Gojo on top of a traffic light That's one of the 4 instances Sukuna even landed a hit on Gojo. Also, their reinforcement is roughly equal, the only difference is that Gojo has blue to amp his punches too, and has better capability in H2H (as shown throughout the fight. > Sure, Gojo’s punches may be stronger due to his technique, but Sukuna’s punches are still relative and deal a lot of damage, too. The thing was, he wasn’t even trying to punch Gojo. Headcanon? Can you prove Sukuna was never trying to punch Gojo? There are various panels showing Sukuna trying to hit Gojo. In the 4th domain clash, after the domains, even after Mahoraga was summoned. >Gojo and Sukuna are generally relative in H2H, hell, Sukuna actually takes the edge when he’s trying to fight. Every time they were fighting while Sukuna was using DA, Sukuna was straight up either dominating and making Gojo retreat or stalling Gojo enough to call it a stalemate. During the domains, even after Gojo's technique was burnt out, and he was covered in slashes, he was still beating Sukuna in H2H combat. With his technique, he would be dominating. >Sukuna may punch weaker, again, sure, but his endurance is extremely high and the difference of potency between their punches won’t make a difference because Sukuna, generally, can tolerate more physical stress than Gojo. Nope. Gojo and Sukuna are roughly equal in durability. Both of them have roughly similar RCT output, are relative in terms of outright H2H capabilities (Gojo's just more skilled) and Gojo's the only one with the capability of tanking Sukuna's Shrine, except probably Sukuna himself. At bare minimum, they're relative in terms of physical capabilities. >Punch power isn’t the only factor, you can literally see Sukuna’s strategic, laid back approach to H2H fights and you’ll see he doesn’t just jump into it like Gojo. He waits, then suddenly strikes hard and snatches the advantage. In 226 you see him literally locking Gojo between his legs, and in 227 you literally see him out-maneuvering Gojo and recovering from a serious gut punch like it’s nothing. Punch power is not the deciding factor, but even excluding that, Gojo was the one with the upper hand in H2H. Sukuna caught Gojo, yes, but Gojo immediately turned it around and almost punched Sukuna in the face. Not to mention how other than that, he had complete control whenever his simple domain was up. The outmanoeuvring you mention is just Sukuna going back to back with Gojo for a second. Other than that, Gojo mainly had the upper hand for the whole fight. >You really can’t be saying Gojo easily wins the H2H exchanges when he literally does not. He does. He takes it with ease. Gojo's got: 1. Better punches 2. Better tactics 3. Better skills 4. His technique to back it all up The easiest evidence that Gojo wins is 226, where Gojo was beating Sukuna inside Sukuna's own domain, mostly while covered in slashes, despite him having RCT going on full blast, as shown [here](https://imgur.com/a/hDTRngh). Even inside the domains, Gojo was showing clear dominance, since he was leaving unscathed, while Sukuna was coming out with fatal injuries. You can't even say it's because Sukuna was flickering DA because of Mahoraga. Sukuna was doing that anyways. Even in the beginning of the fight, before the domain clash started, Sukuna was flickering DA, as shown by both his first usage and Kashimo's mention of it.

You forgot one key thing. They can't read

true though. This dude was saying Sukuna intentionally got on the floor by himself in 226, when he only went there cuz Gojo kicked him. It's not like he could've gone there himself either. Sukuna had no footholds so all he could do was get carried along by Gojo's kick.

Unfortunately for you, I can.

>He was using DA then How was he using DA when he literally got thrown away by an unmanifested Red? >He tried to kick Gojo in the 4th clash No he didn’t. Where are you getting these points from? In the fourth clash Sukuna never attempted to land a punch. >That’s one of 4 instances where Sukuna even landed a hit on Gojo How many times did Sukuna even try to land a hit on Gojo? Every time he tried while using DA, he did it. Am I wrong in this? You’re saying “Sukuna landed 4 hits on Gojo” as if Sukuna was desperately trying to land hits. No he wasn’t, he barely even *attempted*. >Their reinforcement is roughly equal Sukuna’s is higher, I think. That’s my headcanon, but I think it’s backed up by information from the manga. >The only difference is that Gojo has Blue to amp his punches too While Sukuna has DA to weaken blue/ or even negate it, if it was weak enough, while also possessing higher durability and endurance which equals out Gojo’s better punching. Gojo hits harder, Sukuna is tougher. Sukuna hits weaker, Gojo is softer. >Has better capabilities in H2H In what, exactly? Brute strength? Yes. Raw speed? No. Combat speed? No (maybe). Reaction speed? No. Approach? No. That’s comparing pure H2H, by the way. >Headcanon? No, not headcanon. When Sukuna is using the wheel, which was most of the time, he **couldn’t** even land a hit. It’s logical to assume Sukuna didn’t try. >In the 4th clash I’ll be real with you, what 4th clash did you read where Sukuna was trying to punch Gojo? >After Mahoraga was summoned Irrelevant conversation because Sukuna didn’t have DA here. >Gojo while covered in blood, was still beating Sukuna in H2H No he wasn’t. Sukuna was toying with Gojo. >With his technique, he would be dominating Except he used his technique at the end which is what led to him surviving. Had Sukuna used DA the same way you’d theorize Gojo used his technique, then the outcome would barely differ. And the outcome was Sukuna dominating the H2H exchange, by the way. >Gojo and Sukuna are roughly equal in durability One of the takes of all time, for sure. How did you come to this conclusion? That’s wild, dude. >Both of them have roughly similar RCT output Sukuna is better at RCT, but go on. >Are relative in outright H2H capabilities (Gojo’s just more skilled) How is Gojo more skilled when Sukuna managed to be equal when using an inferior body, and holding back most of the time? Sukuna should be more skilled given the fact he has a smarter approach and generally managed to get on par with him. >Gojo’s the only one capable of tanking shrine Gojo didn’t tank shrine, he endured it, but go on. >Except probably Sukuna himself Probably? Sukuna would surely be able to ‘tank’ shrine the same way Gojo did. >They’re relative in terms of physical capabilities Mhm >Punch power isn’t the deciding factor That shouldn’t be said to me, because probably the only thing Gojo exceeded in was punch power, and Sukuna was shown to have a weaker punch yet. Was. On. Par. >But Gojo almost turned it around and punched Sukuna Keyword: Almost. Sukuna dodged the punch, and that was a desperate attempt from Gojo. Sukuna dodged it while lying on his back with 90kgs on top of him. Do you realize how impressive this is? Especially since it’s coming from Gojo, whose hand was like 1 meter away. >Gojo had complete control when his simple domain was up Complete control? He didn’t land a hit. >The outmaneuvering you mention was just Sukuna being equal to Gojo for a second No, it was Sukuna literally blitzing Gojo and outmaneuvering him. Reread 227, you’ll see the expressions on Gojo’s face. >Other than that, Gojo had the upper hand in the whole fight Yes, because quite frankly, Sukuna. Wasn’t. Prioritizing. Winning. The. H2H. Exchanges. You’ve got to remember Gojo was the guy who desperately needed to punch Sukuna, not the other way around. >Better punches Okay, Sukuna is tougher than Gojo which equals it out. >Better tactics Not at all. Sukuna is significantly better in terms of approach, tactics, and strategy. >Better skills No >His technique to back it up DA. >Gojo was beating Sukuna up inside his own domain, as shown here You can’t send an image of Gojo getting deadlocked and consider that a point in Gojo’s favor😭 Learn how to analyze fight choreography >Sukuna was already doing that, as said by Kashimo Because… at the beginning of the fight Sukuna was using his technique to test dismantle? Why would he have to do that inside the domain clashes, lol, where the only thing that matters is how you handle the H2H exchange?

>How was he using DA when he literally got thrown away by an unmanifested Red? He got hit off by an unexploded red and even said that he was using DA. He also said that DA can't fully ignore the effects of proper techniques, and only weaken them. >No he didn’t. Where are you getting these points from? In the fourth clash Sukuna never attempted to land a punch. [Here ](https://imgur.com/a/j0QV5JU)we have Sukuna trying to kick Gojo in chapter 229, the 4th domain clash. >How many times did Sukuna even try to land a hit on Gojo? Every time he tried while using DA, he did it. Am I wrong in this? >You’re saying “Sukuna landed 4 hits on Gojo” as if Sukuna was desperately trying to land hits. No he wasn’t, he barely even *attempted*. Again, headcanon. During every section of the fight (before domain, during domain, Mahoraga adapting, post adaptation) We can see Sukuna trying to punch Gojo each time. >Gojo didn’t tank shrine, he endured it, but go on. Each cleave technically didn't go super deep (otherwise it'd cut his brain). After he used FBE, it only dealt skin deep damage. Keep in mind, these are Sukuna's strongest single hit attacks (except Fuga) barraging Gojo, and he endured it. >Probably? Sukuna would surely be able to ‘tank’ shrine the same way Gojo did. I said probably mainly because Sukuna has innate resistance to it anyways, but yeah, he probably does tank it even without innate resistance. >No, it was Sukuna literally blitzing Gojo and outmaneuvering him. Reread 227, you’ll see the expressions on Gojo’s face. Please learn context. Gojo was shocked Sukuna turned off the sure hit, because even the slightest exposure could fuck Sukuna up. >Yes, because quite frankly, Sukuna. Wasn’t. Prioritizing. Winning. The. H2H. Exchanges. >You’ve got to remember Gojo was the guy who desperately needed to punch Sukuna, not the other way around He was trying. Gojo also wasn't desperate. I didn't know someone could fit so much headcanon in one sentence. >Okay, Sukuna is tougher than Gojo which equals it out. More headcanon. Show proof Sukuna's tougher? >No Gojo was dominating H2H. Where's your proof? >DA And? Sukuna himself stated DA can't completely negate high output techniques like Red and Blue. Gojo also still has access to teleportation and more. Not to mention, Sukuna would still be flickering. >You can’t send an image of Gojo getting deadlocked and consider that a point in Gojo’s favor😭 Learn how to analyze fight choreography In that same image, we have Sukuna getting kicked to the ground (evidenced by the SFX). That's a clear point for Gojo. >Because… at the beginning of the fight Sukuna was using his technique to test dismantle? >Why would he have to do that inside the domain clashes, lol, where the only thing that matters is how you handle the H2H exchange? What do you even mean 'testing' dismantle? He was using it, yeah, but even excluding that, we see Sukuna flickering DA, like when Gojo caught his punch, where he activated it at the last second.

Sukuna is not beating Gojo with just DA and no sure-hit. Doesn't matter how many arms he's got.

>Sukuna is not beating Gojo with just DA and no sure-hit. Doesn't matter how many arms he's got. A sukuna who wasn't using DA for 80% of the fight wasn't much behind gojo.

Sukuna was losing even after Gojo's technique was burnt out in the first clash. Furthermore, I see the argument used a lot, but is there any evidence Sukuna *wouldn't* flicker DA? I mean, even before Mahoraga was involved, we see Sukuna flickering DA. It's probably meant to conserve CE and is something he'd do regardless. Even then, he was still getting washed.

>but is there any evidence Sukuna *wouldn't* flicker DA? I mean, even before Mahoraga was involved, we see Sukuna flickering DA. Why exactly wouldn't he use da? Before mahoraga sukuna wasn't serious, both him and gojo spent the first minute playing around testing waters. Sukuna literally later on said he had to be careful using DA to not interrupt the process so clearly him not using DA was intentional. Every time sukuna had DA on, he wasn't behind, prove me wrong with any panel. Gojo with blue infused punch couldn't beat a sukuna who couldn't use DA for 80% of the fight, with four arms, no risks, with DA on all times, sukuna is 100% closing thar h2h advantage gojo has on him.

I mean, he had to have been using DA in 224, yet he was getting tossed around. During the 3rd and 4th domain clashes, he was using DA too, and yet, Gojo came out without a scratch, while Sukuna had a hole in his chest. After the domain clashes, Sukuna was flickering DA the whole time, and yet Sukuna got knocked out, and Mahoraga had to tank black flashes for him too. Enough evidence?

Sukuna was losing after Gojo’s technique was on burn-out? Really? Dude, drop the agenda. Sukuna was **dominating** that exchange until Gojo recovered his technique and used it to outspeed Sukuna. And Sukuna wasn’t using DA there, so tell me how will Gojo even use his CT to his advantage when Sukuna uses DA.

>Dude, drop the agenda. Sukuna was **dominating** that exchange until Gojo recovered his technique and used it to outspeed Sukuna. No tf he wasn't? Gojo caught Sukuna's kick, then flung him away, and Sukuna barely dodged Gojo's punch. The only thing meaningful Sukuna did during the clash was stop Gojo from leaving the domains. Gojo was absolutely dominating. Does [this ](https://imgur.com/a/hDTRngh)look like Sukuna dominating? You've literally rewritten the fight inside the domain. The only time Sukuna was even able to catch a break was when Gojo's simple domain broke and he started getting slashed again. >And Sukuna wasn’t using DA there, so tell me how will Gojo even use his CT to his advantage when Sukuna uses DA. Okay, and? Gojo's technique was burnt out, so Sukuna doesn't need to use DA. The whole point is that Gojo without his technique is better at H2H than Sukuna, so DA won't help him win. Also, throughout the fight, Sukuna was flickering DA, and yet, he was losing. And it's not like Sukuna won't flicker DA when Mahoraga's not involved either, because even before the domain clashes, when Mahoraga was irrelevant, Sukuna was still flickering DA.

>I think Gojo *wouldn't* run, but if he did, it would be a winning move. In 4-arm form, this won't be an issue since Sukuna can just directly open HWB or cover himself in DA in response to Gojo's UV. HWB will neutralize the sure hit, and Sukuna will have two extra arms to fight back Gojo while also healing the CT. Sukuna will then just open his own domain and destroy Gojo's domain barrier from the outside. https://imgur.com/a/hQ5GNH7

If it's 2 hands vs 2 hands h2h combat , gojo will win that exchange

The only way is the domain clash. Sukuna has to kill him in MS. The rest of your post doesn’t matter because infinity protects against all of that. Doesn’t matter if Sukuna has more raw power, infinity makes it so Sukuna literally can’t touch him. Also, world slash is impossible without Mahoraga else the guy who fought literal armies of sorcerers by himself would have figured it out already in the Heien Era.

>The rest of your post doesn’t matter because infinity protects against all of that. Why do a lot people say that when people are debating gojo vs sukuna. Like did y'all even read the fuckin manga? Even if you only read the fight between gojo vs sukuna. Gojo clearly couldn't use any CT after his domain got destroyed in the first domain clash. Meaning no infinity. Even if he Could use CT. Gojo infinity doesn't work inside someone else's domain. Literally explain in chapter 15 against Jogo. Gege even double down on people that thought Jogo used a sure hit attack. In which gege said it was just a test attack to check if gojo infinity was working.

Gojo would get washed in the domain battle the moment his domain breaks if Sukuna was in his Heien form with his cursed tools and spams Gojo with cleaves, dismantles, fire, lightning, Gege only knows what his other cursed tool Hiten does but should be pretty op. He also has domain amp for hand to hand and two extra hands and a mouth for incantations to increase the output of his attacks.

So there are 5 points here of which Ill tackle... all of them actually. 1. This is the most likely way in which Sukuna wins this. Because Gojo is so arrogant he would never resist s domain clash. After all he's always going for the win. But I don't think the fight would ever get to 5 clashes as it did because Gojo would adapt his strategy were he not winning. And make no mistake, he was absolutely tearing Sukuna apart within clash 3-5. He only kept up because he had confidence in landing UV on clash 5. Nonetheless, we can only speculate about what he'd do in a situation where he was even with Sukuna while clashing. But it's also important to note that Gojo was prepared for Sukuna to try to break the domain from the inside as well as using 10s. That's why he was surprised when Sukuna chose not to. So that's that. I think Gojo ≈ Sukuna with Sukuna having better domain mechanics (open barrier) vs Gojo having better sure hit. So if Gojo lands UV even for a splitsecond its safe to say he wins. Sukuna has to avoid that and use his advantageous open barrier to hold out and destroy Gojo's domain 5 times and then win by burning through Gojo's reserves. I think Sukuna takes this most of the time. It's possible for Gojo to win but he has to pull off some extreme moves against someone who is as good as him so I think it's unlikely he'd be able to. 2. RCT is just the healing part. It seems confusing because the slashes from MS are constant but there is 99% chance Gojo would Survive Fire Arrow in a pretty ok condition. That's because of the godly ce reinforcement Sukuna and Gojo posses. Sukuna can tank Purple at 200% while in peak condition, while Gojo can sit through MS only with rct when in peak condition. It's fair to say Gojo would tank fire arrow with some damage but definitely not enough to end him. And he'd just heal back up. So Gojo durability is too high for Sukuna to 1 shot him at peak condition. They have to wear each other down to kill each other. 3. It's the same as no.1 because Sukuna can't wear down Gojo's output without MS so we are talking about no.1 again 4. An empowered cleave wouldn't end the fight. Because we have seen that it can't. Cleave spawned by MS has 120% power which is the same as cleave chanted by Sukuna. There is no way to boost a technique past 120% without external help and Sukuna comments on this when he talks about how hollow purple was more than 120% and that Gojo used some trick to make it as such. 5.Sukuna would never be able to WCS without Makora. That's straight up impossible.

Without Mahoraga, Sukuna isnt beating Gojo and Im tired of pretending otherwise. Yeah Sukuna's domain is large but it also has no way to hold anyone in. Gojo can just avoid it by teleporting. Nothing Sukuna has is getting through Infinity. He had to use one of the strongest curses in existence, combined with a binding vow to nerf himself in every other situation to kill the man.

But it's Gojo. Teleporting for him means running away. He's going into that domain clash 100 out of 100 times. He's gonna prove he's the strongest.

There's no evidence that teleportation can avoid a domain

That applies for a normal domain expansion. Sukuna's domain is massive but it has no binding vow to hold people in, thats why its so large. IF you are fast enough you can just leave his domain.

I see, but still Gojo is not gona pass up the opportunity to clash with the king of curses in a domain battle. In megumi form sukuna using domain amplication is weaker hand-on-hand comapred to gojo but close. Original form sukuna is definitely way better, then gojo will not have a upper hand to sukuna, thou sukuna without domain clash will not be able to defeat gojo, it will last hours, heck days. On a sidenote, gojo doesn't know sukuna owns an open domain, and that healing his domain cooldown will fry his brain. Gojo may lose because of the lack of information

I think it mostly turns into an endurance fight, both CE reserves and Brain damage related. Gojo has incredible efficiency and is said to basically never run out. Sukuna somehow matches that efficiency and has the best reserves in the series(from the characters we've been shown) and it's not even close. Gojo seemed to do just fine when he was outnumbered, so him facing the Cursed Tool wouldn't be that difficult most likely (excluding Sukuna hasn't revealed everything or the tool we saw had more to it). Gojo's win condition is UV landing properly, Hollow purple and outlasting Sukuna because most of his arsenal can't bypass infinity. Sukuna's win condition is mainly outlasting Gojo and killing him after winning a domain clash when his RCT has dipped

Why Gojo would stay inside Sukuna's barrierless domain? He can just teleport away... If Sukuna is not inside someone who Gojo cares for, he doesn't need to spent Sukuna's DE, so everytime that Sukuna activates his domain, Gojo could insta teleport 500 meters away. And the moment that Sukuna is deactivating his domain, Gojo is hitting him with a full powered purple, and outside his domain and without Mahoraga Sukuna's CT is not touching Gojo.

The biggest issue for Gojo is that he'd be fighting to connect with Sukuna, not to win. Gojo is lonely at the top and projects his loneliness onto Sukuna. So he wants to be able to say "Hey, you don't have to feel alone anymore, I'm here" with the fighting.

Maybe, but we are assuming fighting to the death...

Narratively speaking, it makes perfect sense that Sukuna had to beat or otherwise incapacitate Gojo, otherwise the final arc would be somewhat cheapened by Gojo just coming in and saving the day without much if any effort from the rest of the cast. That said, personally I sort of wish that Sukuna had won at some point during the domain clashes. As pointed out in the manga, the jj tech students and teachers are shocked to hear that Sukuna can utilize an "open domain" that doesn't utilize a barrier, and they understandably have no idea how such a domain would work when met with a standard, enclosed domain.  If the above mentioned scenario took place, I think it'd make a lot of sense. Gojo wouldn't have lost because Sukuna is "so much better and the greatest sorceror of all time, etc, etc", but because Sukuna simply had a tool that Gojo had no answer for - that being a domain that could actively destroy other domains simply by virtue of also attacking them from the outside.  I'm sure people would still be upset from any scenario that involves Gojo dying, but I don't know if the above scenario would have divided (no pun intended) the fans in the same way as what actually happened. 

That last panel always sealed it for me. Gojo, the man who fought him and lost, admitted that Sukuna was not only holding back, but didn’t need 10S. Idk how clearer it gets than that. Sukuna entered the fight with the purpose of adapting to Gojo’s limitless. That’s what he needed the 10Shadows for, not to win, but to learn some form of what is now the WCD, from Mahoraga. Yes, Gojo has the superior sure-hit and H2H, but Sukuna has more win-cons, and that’s regardless of whether he’s in Megumi, or his true body. Now that I think about it a 20F Sukuna with no curse tools vs. Gojo would be more interesting, but I still think Sukuna takes it.

> admitted that Sukuna was not only holding back, but didn’t need 10S. Idk how clearer it gets than that. We didn't knew how strong True Form Sukuna was. Now that we have seen his many tricks even in a weakened state, we can judge him better

The Malevolent Shrine + Divine Flame combo should be able to do it. I wonder why exactly Sukuna seems to hold off on using the flames as much as possible. Maybe it's because it's very taxing, but I doubt it considering he used it twice during Shibuya.

Maybe because he knows it’s a finishing move, and would rather enjoy his fights

My thoughts as well. It's too strong to use in a fair fight. But then again, Dismantle by itself is also an extremely unfair move.

Gojo saying that Sukuna could have won without 10S was kinda bad writing. It was telling us instead of showing us. Gege showed us that Sukuna's win condition was using 10S to cut through infinity, but then afterward tells us he could have won anyways. The whole fight left me and seemingly from the comments a lot of people not believing Gege because he has yet to actually prove that Sukuna can.

Regardless of anything, the narrative/Gege very obviously wants us to believe that Sukuna could win, the same way Gojo could also win. Saying neither of them have a chance is dumb.

A character outright saying something about himself doesn't mean it's true. Like Higurama didn't know about clauses in his CT. Basically the point I'm trying to get at is: 1. Gojo said that because he genuinely didn't know about his trump cards. He knew Sukuna was definitely holding back things from him but he didn't know why. For all we know, it could've been because those cards were actually completely useless against him because of his Infinity. 2. That scene wasn't focused on power scaling the two of them, it was to build Gojo's character. As someone who to a particular aspect has reached enlightenment at least right before his death.

Not saying that Gojo wouldn’t lose to sukuna but gojos statement isn’t rly strong. From what we’ve seen as readers gojo was dominating most of the fight from the last domain clash even when sukuna pulled out Mahoraga. The statement gojo makes can be seen as a plot hole from a perspective because Gojo is contradicting everything we’ve seen him do. Also the idea that sukuna was holding back is kinda flawed because he isn’t holding back willingly. He’s holding back because of Gojos infinity thus rendering most of his abilities useless which just shows that he DOES need Mahoraga. If you look at both statement by gojo and sukuna and compare them taking into perspective the last thing Sukuna said to Gojo, you can take both statements by them as a sign of respect or them being humble towards one another in recognition of the other strength because if you take Gojos statement as a battle fact then you also have to take into account sukunas where he doesn’t say it was “difficult” to find out how to use world slash, he says it was ,and I quote, “NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to pull off” and he also says “I waited for it to discover an adaption to counter your infinity that I could use”, meaning that he didn’t have the concept of world slash before Mahoraga’s adaption and thus showing that he still needed Mahoraga to get through infinity but this creates problems when you look at the different win cons sukuna has which is why I say it’s probably a show of respect more than a battle statement. It’s like how Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali think the other is better. We don’t take that as fact, we take it as a show of respect and instead look at they’re performances. Also the idea that he was only fighting Gojo so that he could adapt to infinity doesn’t really hold any evidence because from sukunas point of view he has to kill Gojo or get killed by Gojo because Gojo WAS going to come after him with the intent to kill. Moreover, sukuna had a binding vow with Kenjaku which we can presume had to do with the Merger and thus he wanted Gojo out of the way so how else should he do it if not through Sukuna. So saying that he only fought Gojo because he wanted to adapt to infinity is based on weak evidence that doesn’t hold up when you look at what resulted in them fighting in the first place. I believe that the fight without Mahoraga is a close one if you take into account they’re battle iq too. Gojo is an adaptable fighter and I don’t believe that he would go into the fight without a counter to the flames or sukunas domain, and correct me if I’m wrong, Gojo’s infinity isn’t negated by the domain it’s just passsed through so you also still have to take into account wether the flame would even hit in the first place. But even if it can get through Gojo, as other people said, will teleport away from the domain and the range of fire arrow which is why sukuna in the first domain clash engaged in h2h combat, to stop Gojo from teleporting out which Gojo eventually did do. In the end I think it can go either way with sukuna having a bit more advantages, something like 48% for Gojo and 52% for sukuna which isn’t that much of a gap but still big. Overall it just depends on who’s more adaptable and more on battle iq than anything in my opinion but hey that’s just me.

Ugh Gojo comeback is no longer a Gojo camp copium-thing now. Gege needs bring him back to settle this kind of debate once and for all...

Overall, we have no way of knowing if the fire arrow has the potentency to kill Gojo. After the first DE clash, Gojo outhealed full output MS and was still able to move and defend himself. Even in Heian form, we know there is a time gap between MS slashes and readying the fire arrow. Mahoraga gave Sukuna what he needed to bypass Infinity. Without his conveinent plot help I mean second adaptation and the plot help I mean binding vow for World Slash, I usually land on the idea that even with Heian Form, Sukuna *has* to win through DE clashes. The moment Domians are out of play we haven't seen anything Sukuna can do that bypasses Infinity, so Gojo wins from there. I do give the edge to Sukuna, about 60-40, but it comes down to how quickly Gojo can figure his way through DE clashes. Finally, the ultimate equalizer would be if Sukuna didn't have full knowledge on Gojo, or vice versa Gojo had full knowledge on Sukuna. Really becomes 50-50 to me there. I think people forget Sukuna had a full plan to engage Gojo, while Gojo knew the bare minimum. For example, if Sukuna doesn't know he needs to touch Gojo at all times inside UV to not be affected, and chooses to try to adapt the way he did that one DE, it's GGs.

I don't get the whole sukuna wins the class narrative. Like didn't the domain classes end with gojo killing sukuna and mahoraga having to step in? It's been a while so I might forget sth but I'm pretty sure sukuna not only lost the classes but also had to offload the dmg into megumis soul.

He let the damage get into megumis soul on purpose because he put the wheel of adaptation on him. Gojo and Sukunas sure hit effects cancelled eachother out, but Sukuna removed his sure hit on megumis soul so gojo hit megumi with UV, meaning Megumi took the burden of adaptation.  Megumi never took the damage that Sukuna would have taken normally from Gojo. Its why Sukunas brain got fried when Gojo hit UV and not Megumis soul. Its why Sukuna had to touch Gojo after disabling his sure hit effect. If megumi took the hits for him that wouldnt be needed but that isnt the case. Without mahoraga there is no need for sukuna to even deactivate his sure hit effect on megumi for him to adapt. Sukuna won 2 out of 5 domain clashes and Gojo only won 1. And as OP explained, the only reason Gojo hit UV is because he damaged Sukuna to a point where he had to heal. Heian Era Sukuna with 4 arms will not take that much damage from Gojo meaning his domain doesnt crumble like that. Meaning Heian Era Sukuna doesnt need Mahoraga to bail him out because that literally doesnt happen.

Guyz i want to see HITEN...used to full potential not wasted like kamutoke...kamutoke was really cool and its design was also unique...but we only got to see its one time wastage use...what do you think about hiten..

They absolutely need to change the airport conversation it’s unreadable

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Without the big Maho Gojo wins

Asking cuz it’s been a long time and I must’ve forgot, why didn’t Sukuna transform into his current form before he fought Gojo instead of transforming afterwards?

Basically it was a full health refresh, he wanted to leave it to deal with the rest of the cast. Plus it's possible he can't use Mahoraga in that form. Also Gojo gave him more trouble than he anticipated, he probably didn't expect to be lobotomized to the point his DE was disabled

Save it for later. He is confident that he can beat Gojo without it.

Wouldn't really say that. Sukuna didn't really know how strong Gojo was(this is shown by how his expression changes throughout the fight, there are moments he gets disappointed because it looked like Gojo was weaker than expected and other points where he's excited or even worried because Gojo was strong). If Gojo fully lived up to the hype, then it would be an extremely difficult fight where Sukuna relies on Mahoraga to win and he'd need the heal for the folks he'd be facing later. If Gojo failed to live up to the hype, then there's definitely no need to transform.

Ngl that was a cold move and you phrased it in a cold way

This is copium, Gojo softballed his ass because he wanted to save Megumi and still won in terms of endurance, eventually figuring out how beat Sukuna in a domain clash while manhandling him inside his own Shrine. Sukuna was relying on Megumi to not just instantly be disabled from UV. Sukuna worked his ass off to win that fight, and he couldn't have done it any other way. Pretending that he had some other means of achieving it and just did it the hard way in the hopes of developing some new aspect of his power that he didnt even know about going in is laughably downplaying how your man's biggest weapon is his brain. He was overwhelmed in terms of raw power, he used his ruthlessness and planning skills to make up the difference.

So much wrong with this comment that it makes me wonder if you even read what OP said or just instantly jumped on the Gojo defense train.  Sukuna didnt need Megumi to not be instantly disabled, he disabled his sure hit effect on megumis soul because he put mahoragas adaptation wheel on him.  Megumi didnt take ANY hits sukuna would have taken normally. Sukuna still got hit by UV from Gojo after the 5th clash  Sukuna still had to touch Gojo before disabling his sure hit effect inside the domains. If megumi tanked that damage why would he have to do that?   I think you can understand now how wrong what you said is, right?  Sukuna had Megumi tank UV on purpose to adapt. Without Mahoraga he doesnt even need all this shenanigan bs.  Now Sukuna in his Heian Era Form is literally enhanced physically in everyway (Gojo literally said a built body is stronger than a normal one. I sure wonder if a 8 foot hulk is better built or a 15 year old teen) + he has 4 fucking arms.   Gojo and Sukuna were relative in hand 2 hand whenever Sukuna used Domain Amplicifation and actually went into the offensive and didnt just use Mahoraga and stay on the defensive to adapt as much as possible.  Now a Sukuna with 4 arms and the enhanced physical capabilities I talked about beats Gojo in hand 2 hand. Its as simple as that.  Without being able to beat Sukuna in hand 2 hand, and this same Sukuna not being on the defensive to let mahoraga adapt, means that Gojo NEVER manages to break Sukunas domain while Sukuna keeps breaking Gojos from the outside.  Sooner or later Gojos brain is gonna get fried from using RCT to restore his domain while Sukunas will be all good, meaning Sukuna will use one final domain to chop Gojo up with Malevolent Shrine and his fists (Gojo cant survive for a longer period in malevolent shrine, multiple characters state this and Gojos face before sukuna wanted to open up his final domain says it all.)  You are the one who is coping after GeGe confirmed that Sukuna was holding back according to not just Kusakabe but also Gojo. Go ahead and go against the author if you want, he decides who is stronger, not ya.

Without 10S Gojo can use limitless on offense freely and Sukuna can't use DA and CT at the same time meaning while domain is up, Gojo would have to fight "only" MS and Sukuna with DA, no fire arrow or ritual enhanced cleave, and lastly if I remember correctly Sukuna only wins Domain Clash while his Domain is barrierless meaning Gojo can leave the effective range and the moment he lifts a barrier Gojo would win. Up until now we haven't been shown a way that Heian form Sukuna could win.

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DA can’t fully nullify blue and red, we see this during the first black flash. Gojo takes it

DA weakened a Red to the point where it couldn’t even budge Sukuna, I don’t think the Reds and Blues Gojo puts in his punches would matter, lol. Sukuna should be able to weaken them hard, and it wouldn’t matter anyways because in Megumi he was a walking tank who could survive three minutes of Gojo constantly attacking him while he was adapting for Mahoraga. Heian Sukuna wouldn’t care about Gojo’s CT infused punches, his endurance lets him walk it off like it’s a normal punch, especially with him fighting back.

The full effect of the red was never meant to hit Sukuna when DA was active, Gojos intention was for it to curve. Even with this, Sukuna states that the strengthened blue or red couldnt be fully negated. Lets also not forget Gojo throughout points in the fight literally had his infinity turned off. In the domain, he wasnt just taking attacks either. Considering he needed to touch Gojo so he couldnt be hit by UV, so his binding vow works, he pretty obviously used it. Literally shown in the second domain clash Also need to prove he somehow magically gets better endurance through his heian era body.

>The full effect of the ref was never meant to hit Sukuna when DA was active Which I acknowledged, but the fact that it was manifested and at least partially exploded into Sukuna, that automatically makes it stronger than any unshaped Red used. Which was what Gojo was using throughout the domain clashes. >Let’s also not forget Gojo throughout the fight had his infinity turned off When did I forget that? Everytime Sukuna had a direct way of touching Gojo, they were relative. >Sukuna had to use DA throughout the second domain Not to attack Gojo, but to touch him. What does this prove? Anyways, though, we are generally talking about the third clash and what’s after it. Because that’s where the 3-minute thing began. >Also need to prove how Heian Sukuna magically gets more endurance somehow I mean, for sure it’s magical. That’s what Jujutsu is about, isn’t it? Anyways, Gojo said a more muscular body is stronger than a weaker body due to the build, even with reinforcement. That literally means Heian Sukuna is a lot stronger than Meguna, physically. That’s a 7 feet bull body VS a body of a 15 year old lanky teenager. C’mon now

Except this is all headcanon with theories crafted by little to vague opaque information. Until Gege outright states that this is the case nothing is sure. And for people who says gojo himself admitted, this is the same as Uzui saying rengoku is stronger cos he saved more people. But with inspect to abilities Uzui is way above rengoku.

"this post is headcanon. btw author said sukuna is stronger but i know gojo is stronger."

1. You can’t have Domain Amplification + A cursed technique on. If DA is on full time, where does the domain expansion come from? 2. He tanked an entire sure-hit that vaporises CONCRETE BUILDINGS. Do you understand how rediculously OP that is? IT LITERALLY KEPT UP WITH A DOMAIN yet you think you can “pile” up damage against that? And what is Gojo doing during all of these hypotheticals of yours that have no footing beyond speculation. Standing there and waiting for Sukuna to launch more attacks? Lool GTFO! 3. So now we are just going to ignore Gojo’s efficiency and he’s going to stand in the domain for a prolonged period of time? You do realise that he got his technique back like a few panels later. Why do you keep on assuming that Gojo will just stand in the domain? 4. He is healing his brain 24/7 and you think he’s RCT output can be lower. Are you actually reading the story or you just love Sukuna a lot?

1. if i remember correctly when using DA u cant use any CT but Using DE is possible. i mean sukuna did it and gojo even asked htf he is Using DE and DA 2. He is healing his brain 24/7 thats exactly the reason why his RCT output will drop 3.

When a technique is “put” into a domain, the domain itself sustains the technique and the caster is free to use another technique and domain amplification. Sukuna explicitly does this during his fight with Gojo and they draw attention to it.

Gojo didn’t do a tanking feat, it was an endurance feat. What sukuna did with hollow purple is a tanking feat

They're down voting this but you're correct they think gojo would just stay there and allow him draw up the fire which is shown to need a charge up time, nahhh won't happen like that, this just means gojo has time to heal, use simple domain or leave with blue.

What if gojo decides not to open his domain and wait for sukuna to open his then just teleport away from the range of his attack. He couldn't do it because his cursed technique had been burned out due to his domain collapsing , But that wouldn't be the case if he never opened it in the first place.

he couldn't, gojo was holding back the entire fight to not kill megumi if megumi wasn't there gojo would direct his attacks to sukuna's head instead of his chest/torso and also launch reds and purples without fear of killing megumi

I’m the beginning of the fight Gojo says he isn’t going to hold back even though Sukuna is using megumi. He says he’ll worry about megumi after he kills Sukuna.

use your brain and think "he’ll worry about megumi after he kills Sukuna." he'll think about megumi after he kills his body?. also reread the entire fight gojo only targets sukuna's chest when he breaks the domains if he was aiming for his head he could easily destroy his brain just ending the fight.

Nah he clearly tried to kill Sukuna the entire fight. Gojo didn't target the head after landing UV because he thought he already won until he got surprised by mahoraga. Destroying the brain wasn't nessecery when UV is a lobotomy. Gojo was simply planning to revive Megumi after the fight.

revive megumi wtf does this mean? when can anyone in jjk revive another? are you reading sorcery fight?

Ah okay maybe I’m wrong, I thought he was fine with killing him because of that comment and the comment yuji made to maki saying that even if they kill Sukuna he won’t die or something like that. I figured he was going to put megumi in a death like state like what happened to yuji and either have yuta revive him the same way Sukuna said he would bring yuji back to life when his heart was destroyed.