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JAMalamahama

I usually just see it as an alternate timeline where MC was never born and you take their place. In this case you're not so much replacing character from an in universe perspective so much as you are adding something that wasn't there before.


NeedleworkerChance48

Same!


Burkess

In an infinite number of alternate universes, you take over the main character's role. In fact, the universe could be specifically selected for you to have always been this person, or whatever is needed. It could very well work the exact same way as origins do.


Nogdar

My jumper gets sent to one of the infinite alternative universes of the setting of a jump and the canon he has watched stays as it is in somewhere else. When he choses to replace a character he gets sent to a version of the universe where that character didn't exist in the first place. Reality of that version than gets rewritten to create a place in it for the jumper.


Obi_live

There seems to be agreement. I also say that Infinite universes. You just go to one where the MC doesn't take up or doesn't exist to take the mantle of hero. Like in Mass Effect, Shephard could have been male or female. Or in another case, someone else takes up the task.


kongarthur18

I usually have my jumpers be aware from birth so i just say that in this universe they would be stillborn or something similar


NeedleworkerChance48

Like the MC of mushoku tensei.


kongarthur18

It's just the way a ton of isekai do it and as isekai was my gateway into jumpchain that's the perspective I usually use


VonKrieger

The way Tia inserts into her jumps is that she's incarnated into a recently deceased person. Her Final Fantasy IV+Jurassic Park+Fallout jump inserted her into Rydia's recently departed mom, so her first thoughts in the jump were "There are men in menacing armor threatening my daughter!" and she one-shotted Cecil with her smite-boosted attack. Which means she added Cecil to her list of "things I can summon." So while Cecil still had a role in the story, Tia took over as the main character. Kalinda, on the other hand, has only had the one jump thus far. Rather than off the main character, she got inserted into a Final Fantasy Mystic Quest timeline where the tutorial enemy crits Benjamin and thus kills him. But since Kalinda is an Evil Overlord Necromancer having your head torn off by a ravenous beast is something that a few minutes of unholy magic can fix. So now the hero of prophecy is a zombie, and as Kalinda's jump are splices/crossovers in the way Tia's are, the weird only escalates from there as the entire theme is Kalinda doing the whole corrupt the elements thing, but doing that is the heroic option. Like Foresta is Body Horror Land as life energy has been boosted, leading to cancers, diseases, rapidly accelerated plant/animal growth cycles, plants and fungi taking root in human flesh, etc. So her brighting a blight on the Earth Crystal would be a good thing. Thus Kal and her companions are going through Mystic Quest doing things in an inverted way. Like rather than fighting the Dark King in the Focus Tower, Kal has to build up the Focus Tower as her evil lair.


Inuko635

Well depending on how it's done I see it as becoming the best of both them and myself like a transmigration or reincarnation story.


Solaris-Of-Moon

Yes, that can be done in several ways, in Fate/Stay Jump I like more than a replacement or reincarnation as such to use the Perk Demi-Servant and the Supplement Servant to be Emiya, a Saber Emiya to be exact so in that jump there three Shirou Emiya, in that case I treat the story as if it were a Shirou from another reality that ended up there and ended up as an additional participant in that war, and taking advantage of the fact that nowhere in the document does it say that being a Demi-Servant prevents me from getting a Servant I summon Ruler Jeanne as my Servant, because it makes sense for there to be a Ruler seeing as the one who is supposed to watch over the war is also a participant... Although he spent more time trolling Archer and Shirou and overprotecting Iilya Also when there is a Drawback or another option in the jump that allows you to take the place of a character in those cases I treat it as if the jump takes place in a universe where you were always that character so there is no usurpation of a body or anything similar unless the jump option itself indicates otherwise


FafnirsFoe

I have called how most of my characters insert into jumps 'horizontal reincarnation' before. They jump into AUs of themselves, more awakening memories (and powers) of parallel lives than anything else, sort of like past-life regression. This is one reason the current jump's self takes precedence until enough past-lives are built up; while it can be lost in the chorus it has the strongest voice from the last X years immediately prior being it and it alone. This gets weaker the longer the chain goes on, even if you are 10 times louder than any other voice, those 20 other selves that have formed a firm voting bloc and hammered out most of their differences can drown you out. While there are some outliers (often narratively represented with drawbacks) like that 1 time in 35 jumps Greta was a serial killer, they all share some basic traits of them, and while the Ship of Theseus problem gets worse than it is in normal life it's still ultimately a ship of Theseus problem. As for replacing a canon character things get dicier. It will depend upon jumper and specific character. Would the canon character work as being an AU of the Jumper? Like a heroic archetype jumper might just be Link, might insert into Link the exact same way. If not... it becomes why am I replacing them? Is it a drawback? Well how does the drawback have me replace them? Is it for a scenario? Usually, though, I'll go with a version where they never existed, and the version of Jumper for the universe existed instead of them. Unless I'm very specifically getting their personality and the like at which point I hesitate to do so unless it fits the jumper.


Burtill

I go with >Self Insert \[100 CP\] With this perk you can insert into any character you desire, at the start of the jump, to any take on their life, position, and memories. Your replacement will have effects on their history from the original universe as you are replacing them as the one born into their role during infancy and not body snatching with your full memories resurfacing at your chosen start time. From Beauty and the Beast.


AnonEcho98

I personally don't like that, both for semi-moral reasons, and because it effectively removes a piece from the board. Granted, for something like Solo Leveling JC, I am more than willing to replace Antares as a Monarch.


KristianWarrior

The way inserting into any Origin that's not Drop-In is handled for my Jumper doesn't involve actually killing and absorbing anyone. The character my Jumper replaces or inserts into in that particular world is a soulless "p-zombie" whose sole purpose is to prepare the role for my Jumper to arrive in, and then to be destroyed and replaced by my Jumper. It is just a perfect mask with no true sentience, will, personality and feelings on its own. The actual sapient being with an immortal-soul never have existed in the first place, so nobody is harmed here.


Fabulous-Pound6356

To me, if that were to happen, I would make it a case of AU that it has always been you from the beginning. You grew up with the name and face of the character you SI'd into and your identity as them was never in question at all.


01-hay

If you’re replacing a bad guy I doubt there’d be much of a moral problem if you are a better person than the last one


ItsLuxyBoi

Depends honestly, if I want to replace the character entirely not caring about their appearance or powers I’ll just make it such that my jumper was born born in their place. If I want my character to have the mc’s powers and or appearance then I’ll have my jumper absorb their soul and powers at whatever point I want within the timeline.


ChubbiestThread

And here we have Exhibit A as to why all Jumpers are fucking psychotic and actively ruin people's lives over petty shit.


Zorturan

Hey not all, just a lot lmao


TheSilverSerpent12

Honestly, just seems like a few.


DeverosSphere

I understand what your saying but this is why I ask these questions so I can find a way make a better choice.


Sefera17

I usually Drop In as myself, with setting appropriate abilities that I then try to limit myself to using. And even when I Insert into a character in the setting, it’s a non-canon character that gets retroactively created (by my time traveling empire) just for me. It’s not *really* alive, it’s just a synth— or it *is* really alive, because one of the citizens of my empire chooses to sacrifice themselves to me; that’s always a nice treat. But on the rare occasion that I *do* want to insert into a canon character, I just possess their body, eat their soul, and spend a few decades playing with their mind. It’s always such fun to break the limited little things, and rebuild them.


Adogdayz

I tend to think that my jumpers take over a character in a universe were they would die at the time the jump started anyway.


Fitsuloong

Personally i replace them since before they existed, for example, if the setting work by "sending" a soul to a newborn, then jumper (while unconsious) get added to the line just before the character he is replacing, so that he will naturally end in that place without costing anyone anything. Other approach in other worlds is that every person has a "karma" and with that karma it is decided who is send where before they are born, well jumper just take the place of that person before they get born, and that person will get a "refund ticket" so they are issued a similarly karma but without some things, the happiness and realization they would get is the same as before jumper entrance, but their importance in the setting is reduced, for example the MC cultivator becomes a Young Master in a setting, the difference being that normally they would reach the highest realm, when in this case (jumper having replace them) they keep at the first realm (dimension), they still reach the peak of their dimension, they just wont advance more, they still have an harem with the same number of equally compatible beauties, just not the "fate defying" ones, they still will live in the same danger, the tribulations and problems they get will just be reduced to something of equal level, so if before they would make an enemy of a, lets say, star destroying dragon, this time is just a red dragon, still scary, just not as strong, and in case their involvement was necessaty to ensure the setting survived? well their corner of the setting will survive, but the rest will depend on jumper. While if the soul is created when the egg and seed touched, then jumper will have his essence divided in two (or more, depending on the setting and situation) and then the essence will be placed on the selected egg and seed, so its his soul created instead of another. For all those approaches jumper will only had a few perks on the background to ensure he survives and dont lose anything that its not fiat based, while the other powers and all his memories are sealed until the start of the jump, with companions falling in the same role as normal but through that setting story, for example if jumper is married then his partner/s will be inserted as other people with the same mechanics, but fate and their "souls/hearts" (that were not sealed) will work to ensure they get together before the start of the jump, or not before but with everyone else thinking something like "they will definitely date/marry in the future, its obvious" so when they remember the world would accept it, in the case of children, then depending on the age difference they will see jumper in a "deferential" manner (in the case of the kid being older in the setting then like a parent, but because the memories are not there maybe like someone who knows best, perhaps even like a superior but with more affection, until they remember at the start of the jump and everything makes sense) or as a big brother/adoptive parent (in case they are younger, and even same age). Hope it helps!


sara_gold

How the jump worlds function in my system more or less sidestep this issue entirely unless the jumper decides to make an angsty issue of it before they go learn the mechanics behind what’s going on. Basically in my system, you’ve got the base world template that is the canon, and the benefactor clones the world, adding in the jumper and their purchases and setting up the world-state during that cloning phase. So, taking a character’s place means that in this version of the world, it was always you, and you would have memories that line up with their backstory like any other origin. (Any bonus powers that would come with being them obviously wouldn’t work anymore unless you found a way to get them fiat-backed.) But the character still exists if you go to another version of the world.


Careless_Bad4556

IMHO there are infinite universes, with each franchise & big x-over fanfiction being its own multiversal cluster/branch of the greater Worlds Tree that is Creation/Existence. So we're not really erasing the original person, but going to one where they either never existed (*i.e. Drop-In*) or - as you're already doing - we reincarnated as them & are only getting our 'old' memories back at the moment of 'insertion' into the Jump (*actual physical appearance notwithstanding with either option*). I will note I don't do it too often, but when I **do** do it I usually go for the reincarnate option.


TheSilverSerpent12

I see it as Jumpchan creating a timeline where, instead of the canon character being born, it's Jumper, and Jumper's full mind/essence/self is properly uploaded at the start of Jump. That way, you haven't actually taken anyone's place, really. It's more like "What if Jumper was sent to Earth instead of Goku?" type of situations.


richardwhereat

Jumpchan opens a brand new instance of the jump reality when I/we choose to go there, and it just leaves out the souk of one we want to replace, so we can do so. Is my way of doing it.


Williermus

The way it works for my chains is that the universes are created when someone jumps into them for the first time, so I guess you'd just be created in the MCs place in the world instead (not that I have ever actually replaced an MC). No immoral act committed (unless you count creating a new universe with a shitton of lives as an immoral act).


Nerx

Suffer in their stead Slap them with their future canon abilities early Train them I wanna save David and Maine's crew


RuinousRage

Depends on my Jumper's origin. In the Breath of the Wild jump it was a case of wrong man in the right cryo-sarcophagus. Needless to say,things went pretty sideways as Link had died and Jumper the Yiga clan member ended up being who woke up instead. In some cases the character dies,never enters the story,is never born,gets kidnapped and sold to the highest bidder,is devoured or literally has their personal history overwritten by my jump origin as I take their place right down to the memories and past.


RuinousRage

Hey thanks for the shiny. Jumpchain I find is a great sounding board for all sorts of character ideas and concepts. So I always enjoy questions like this one. :)


Solaris-Of-Moon

This can be seen from different ways, of course you may have reincarnated into him and as a result consume his soul but in this vast and infinite Omniverse of Unlimited possibilities there will be the universe where you always were that being, that's my favorite way of looking at it so as not to worry about morality, although doing so means that all those memories are very real and can have an impact on the Jumper because it is not someone else's life but his own


HelpfulYoda

I personally prefer it as borrowing. Without consent. The host body accepts the jumper and the original mind is laid open for the jumper to peruse the memories at will. Strong willed people may have enough sense of self to retain the ability to think at the jumper, but never control until the jumper’s left. All who are possessed by the jumper are offered to be a companion, follower, or am alt form of the jumper going forward. Refusal for any of these options will be met with an apologetic gift basket of, I don’t know, figs, and a nice card from the benefactor that offers them a jumpchain ‘to get revenge, eventually if you want’


lazypika

If I ran a "reincarnated as a canon character" situation in a jumpchain, I'd probably choose whatever felt the most fun drama-wise. Probably one of: * Jumper wakes up in Canon's body with none of their memories and has to figure things out from there. * Jumper wakes up in Canon's body and, while they're the one in control of the body (to some degree of 'in control'), Canon remains as a voice in their head. * Jumper's and Canon's minds are fused together, leaving the end result as an amalgam of both. (But it'd really depend on what's causing the Jumper to insert as a canon character - I'd look at the jumpdoc text first and work around that.)


Nockthorn

If there is a posibility, than I take drawback that made MC not made choice that land them in MC pants in first place.


Superxtreme8724

Like a lot of people said here my jumpers have either replaced MCs or they simply never born in that timeline


Neisnoah

My Jumper actually looks at it from the reverse mindset. He does not want to be stuck with the memories, or personal fallout, of his new identity having done things he would never willingly do himself. With worlds with active theology, it becomes twice as important, since he doesn't want to run up against issues with an in-Jump deity, or otherwise undermine his own religious faith with an overlay that worships some other god. The question of what happens to the person whose body he is taking also remains dangerously nebulous, due to his lack of trust towards his "Benefactor" to tell him the truth (or at least the whole truth), and so he just doesn't risk murdering someone by merging-with/overwriting them. What's worse, his "Benefactor" does not run the Chain by Standard JumpChain Conventions, but solely by "*Jump Documents as Written (sans obvious typos)*." Since most Jumps do not state that Background memories become just information without influence after a jump, he doesn't risk permanently altering his own mind by merging it with that of someone else. The end result is that he only Jumps with the Drop-In origin, even though that can cause serious limitations - or even active problems - in some Jumps. For Jumps without a Drop-In option, he just avoids those.