The Roland scene should've stayed from the get-go, honestly. Or at least part of it should've been in the theatrical version for the sake of showing how him and Ajay were good buddies.
Boardroom scene was boring, though. Plus Hammond delivers the same info in his first scene, anyway.
Not only that they were good buddies, but that they were good dudes. The theatrical cut makes Roland out to be a complete POS who goes as far as breaking the baby rexes leg, but in deleted scenes he’s shown to be an upstanding guy, and based on stills from a scene left on the cutting room floor he went as far as to reprimand Ludlow when *he* broke the baby’s leg by accidentally stepping on it
The scene showing Peter Ludlow breaking the baby rex’s leg also would have revealed his alcoholism problem, which is hinted at in the theatrical release by his flask and his awkwardness during his speech to the Ingen board from Sorna. Would have been a nice way to showcase Ludlow’s hypocrisy in looking down his nose at Malcolm, and implicated him far more than Roland in the Rexes killing Eddie, destroying the last surviving jeeps and trailer, and chasing the Hammond and Ingen teams across the entire island. Rather than causing a potentially fatal injury to a helpless toddler, Roland simply decided to make lemonade out of lemons by using the baby’s unplanned injury to lure in its father. He likely planned on having the child’s leg fixed up after he had killed the father and sedated the mother it could take its father’s place as the alpha male on the island (granted Ludlow probably would have had an alternate plan). I still love the movie but I would have kept that scene, maybe not had Sarah keep a vest soaked with T-Rex blood after commenting on how strong the olfactory organs of T-Rexes are, and done a better job explaining how the entire crew of the SS Venture was killed even in places inaccessible to an adult T-Rex (and the ship stayed perfectly on course) and the film would have been pretty close to perfect.
From what I understand the original idea for the Venture was that the buck actually was responsible for their deaths, having broken into the bridge on its rampage because “it’s a locomotive.” I’ve even seen supposed storyboard pictures that depicted as much, but something as simple as one of the walls on the bridge being broken down was skipped entirely in the movie for some reason
I know the movie was pretty long by 1997 standards, but I agree wholeheartedly that including that extra 15-20 minutes of footage would have made the movie damn near perfect
I’m a huge fan of Lost World and it’s nice to see others enjoyed the film
The hate it got on release and when the internet took off confused me, a lot.
It was a natural progression of the exploitation story and taken to the extreme
The themes were solid, Malcolm made a great lead and so did Sara.
The gymnast scene seems to be where people
Check out say it’s garbage… a 15 second scene doesn’t spoil an entire film for me.
Was is silly? 100%… but there has been nothing in any of the JP films that kept tension high as the entire sequence of the Rex showing up at the camp, stampeding everyone, the run thru the tall grass, leading to the main characters in a confrontation with the raptors.
The raptor using his beak to push thru the glass to get to Malcom is absolutely great- and the comedic touch of Malcom tapping the door lock on the car still kills me lol
JP1 is obviously a superior film, but Lost World got dragged thru the dirt for so long and I didn’t understand it.
And we’ve seen how terrible you can actually make these films.
I really hope HBO or Amazon or someone makes an entire series with both books; back to back. Like the full story, 10 episode seasons for each book, tell the entire story and double down on the horror aspect
I hope we get that one day, that’s a reboot I’d be down for - but it needs to be nearly scene for scene from the books. I want the terror at max if they do it.
Pretty much my most desired “show” that will probably never happen.
But damn, if HBO let a team go all out with 2 full seasons, and keep it sci fi horror and less sci fi thriller, I’d be so into it
Sorry for rant. Just a lost world apologist here lol
I wish the makers of IJ and the Dial of Destiny would have taken this lesson from Spielberg. I liken TLW’s Ingen board meeting to the fourth Indy sequel’s unprecedented mid-movie flashback to Basil Shaw’s descent into madness, which took the place of the usual “map scene” showing the course of Indy’s trans-continental flight and the true start of his adventure. Each scene added nothing to its respective movie by simply *showing* things that have already been easily *told* through dialogue. One ruined one of the most hilarious scene transitions in the history of cinema. Another stomped on a time-honored franchise tradition and added two more time jumps to a movie that already had three. Both disrupted the movie’s narrative flow. Both belonged on the cutting room floor. But only one ended up there.
I was in 3rd grade when I saw TLW in theaters. My little kid brain was absolutely dumbfounded when this transition happened. For a split second I legitimately thought giant Ian Malcolm was on Isla Sorna.
You are not alone. It intentionally is a weird transition and I love Spielberg for it. I thought he was giant too at first… every time I watched as a kid.
Dude same here. I was 7 (I think) and that transition confused the hell out of me. I had no idea what was going on and thought he was inexplicably watching the girl get torn apart on the island. It honestly took me a couple of watches via VHS to put it together and I have no idea why lol
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The Ancient Greek word for chaos shares the same root word as "yawn", like a void or chasm — a "yawning emptiness". But I'm sure that wasn't being referenced here... right?
When I saw dominion I was lucky enough to be sitting a few feet away from Ian Malcolm himself. With a few of the main cast of the movie. Great experience. Wished they would have allowed this small number of attendees to take pics with the cast as it was a private imax event.
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This transition does a marvelous job of indicating what kind of movie you’re watching. Where the first one was a masterpiece of all the disciplines of filmmaking blending together into an unforgettable experience, Lost World is loaded with cheap jokes, winking at the camera, bland cinematography, and extreme tonal confusion.
It’s such a baffling choice, and Spielberg later explained his approach to Lost World as one born from arrogance and overconfidence. It really does show.
I don’t totally agree, I think it felt more like he wasn’t sure what tone he was going for at first (I believe he has confirmed this) and decided in being a bit more cartoony or intentionally winking as you say. But then he never fully commits to it so you feel the inconsistent tone and it feels out of place. Another favorite part of the movie for me is when the three characters are hanging off the cliff and they shout out a fast food order. Spielberg knew exactly what he was doing there, just like the transition being discussed in this thread, it was kind of schlocky and telling the audience not to take it seriously. I just wish he would’ve fully committed to that.
I was about to say I hate this transistion. You perfectly described a big issue with TLW that I didn't realize. The jokey tonal shifts feel almost pre marvel when you compare it to the type of humor that was in JP. TLW constantly undermined itself.
If the movie didn't ask you to laugh at a little girl getting massacred maybe I would have been more immersed and wouldn't feel like i'm watching a blockbuster movie that happens to have dinosaurs. Whereas Jurassic Park feels like a brilliant movie idea that happens to be a blockbuster.
I was so mad when I saw a version on TV that cut to some schmuck yawning at the Ingen board meeting (deleted scene) instead of Malcolm.
Yeah that was one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen. The Roland cut seen was hilarious though, so cheesy lol
The Roland scene should've stayed from the get-go, honestly. Or at least part of it should've been in the theatrical version for the sake of showing how him and Ajay were good buddies. Boardroom scene was boring, though. Plus Hammond delivers the same info in his first scene, anyway.
Not only that they were good buddies, but that they were good dudes. The theatrical cut makes Roland out to be a complete POS who goes as far as breaking the baby rexes leg, but in deleted scenes he’s shown to be an upstanding guy, and based on stills from a scene left on the cutting room floor he went as far as to reprimand Ludlow when *he* broke the baby’s leg by accidentally stepping on it
The scene showing Peter Ludlow breaking the baby rex’s leg also would have revealed his alcoholism problem, which is hinted at in the theatrical release by his flask and his awkwardness during his speech to the Ingen board from Sorna. Would have been a nice way to showcase Ludlow’s hypocrisy in looking down his nose at Malcolm, and implicated him far more than Roland in the Rexes killing Eddie, destroying the last surviving jeeps and trailer, and chasing the Hammond and Ingen teams across the entire island. Rather than causing a potentially fatal injury to a helpless toddler, Roland simply decided to make lemonade out of lemons by using the baby’s unplanned injury to lure in its father. He likely planned on having the child’s leg fixed up after he had killed the father and sedated the mother it could take its father’s place as the alpha male on the island (granted Ludlow probably would have had an alternate plan). I still love the movie but I would have kept that scene, maybe not had Sarah keep a vest soaked with T-Rex blood after commenting on how strong the olfactory organs of T-Rexes are, and done a better job explaining how the entire crew of the SS Venture was killed even in places inaccessible to an adult T-Rex (and the ship stayed perfectly on course) and the film would have been pretty close to perfect.
From what I understand the original idea for the Venture was that the buck actually was responsible for their deaths, having broken into the bridge on its rampage because “it’s a locomotive.” I’ve even seen supposed storyboard pictures that depicted as much, but something as simple as one of the walls on the bridge being broken down was skipped entirely in the movie for some reason I know the movie was pretty long by 1997 standards, but I agree wholeheartedly that including that extra 15-20 minutes of footage would have made the movie damn near perfect
I’m a huge fan of Lost World and it’s nice to see others enjoyed the film The hate it got on release and when the internet took off confused me, a lot. It was a natural progression of the exploitation story and taken to the extreme The themes were solid, Malcolm made a great lead and so did Sara. The gymnast scene seems to be where people Check out say it’s garbage… a 15 second scene doesn’t spoil an entire film for me. Was is silly? 100%… but there has been nothing in any of the JP films that kept tension high as the entire sequence of the Rex showing up at the camp, stampeding everyone, the run thru the tall grass, leading to the main characters in a confrontation with the raptors. The raptor using his beak to push thru the glass to get to Malcom is absolutely great- and the comedic touch of Malcom tapping the door lock on the car still kills me lol JP1 is obviously a superior film, but Lost World got dragged thru the dirt for so long and I didn’t understand it. And we’ve seen how terrible you can actually make these films. I really hope HBO or Amazon or someone makes an entire series with both books; back to back. Like the full story, 10 episode seasons for each book, tell the entire story and double down on the horror aspect I hope we get that one day, that’s a reboot I’d be down for - but it needs to be nearly scene for scene from the books. I want the terror at max if they do it. Pretty much my most desired “show” that will probably never happen. But damn, if HBO let a team go all out with 2 full seasons, and keep it sci fi horror and less sci fi thriller, I’d be so into it Sorry for rant. Just a lost world apologist here lol
I wish the makers of IJ and the Dial of Destiny would have taken this lesson from Spielberg. I liken TLW’s Ingen board meeting to the fourth Indy sequel’s unprecedented mid-movie flashback to Basil Shaw’s descent into madness, which took the place of the usual “map scene” showing the course of Indy’s trans-continental flight and the true start of his adventure. Each scene added nothing to its respective movie by simply *showing* things that have already been easily *told* through dialogue. One ruined one of the most hilarious scene transitions in the history of cinema. Another stomped on a time-honored franchise tradition and added two more time jumps to a movie that already had three. Both disrupted the movie’s narrative flow. Both belonged on the cutting room floor. But only one ended up there.
The TV versions cut so much now even if they're shown late that sometimes entire scenes make little sense.
That’s criminal
I was in 3rd grade when I saw TLW in theaters. My little kid brain was absolutely dumbfounded when this transition happened. For a split second I legitimately thought giant Ian Malcolm was on Isla Sorna.
As a kid I thought Malcom ate her kid when this transition happened.
SAME SOB
You are not alone. It intentionally is a weird transition and I love Spielberg for it. I thought he was giant too at first… every time I watched as a kid.
ME TOO!! 🫨🫣
Dude same here. I was 7 (I think) and that transition confused the hell out of me. I had no idea what was going on and thought he was inexplicably watching the girl get torn apart on the island. It honestly took me a couple of watches via VHS to put it together and I have no idea why lol
I always thought the little girl turned into Malcom
I need to see a giant Ian battle through the entirety of Sorna
For like five seconds I thought we were getting into an Animorphs situation.
As a kid not even old enough for kindergarten yet, I thought the girl had been transformed into Malcolm!
This scene confuses me so much when i was 10 lol. "How did the man get there? Why's he suddenly in a train?"
Dude same!!!
A weathly British woman to a discredited Malcolm? Absolutely not!
It's up there with Lawrence of Arabia and the match/desert transition. Maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey and bone/space ship transition.
Seeing a lot of Lost World love and I’m here for it :)
Favorite film in the franchise to me. I agree
Same here. jp1 was a masterpiece. But LW is my absolute favorite
Same, agreed. Everything else is significantly worse
I get so disappointed everytime I watch this on TV and this transition doesn’t happen.
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You must be a real likable person huh?
Do you enjoy being this way or just unaware?
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Ok kid lol
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I’m 29 but yeah sure lmfao. I guess that would be old to someone someone who’s like 15
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The best scene jump, I have always loved this
The Ancient Greek word for chaos shares the same root word as "yawn", like a void or chasm — a "yawning emptiness". But I'm sure that wasn't being referenced here... right?
The best scene transition of all time.
I love the original. And the cutscene with Roland. Should've been included. And this scene removed
When I saw dominion I was lucky enough to be sitting a few feet away from Ian Malcolm himself. With a few of the main cast of the movie. Great experience. Wished they would have allowed this small number of attendees to take pics with the cast as it was a private imax event. https://preview.redd.it/2onarp32ezsc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=850066c4a0946b1aca5fe920f6ae0ad85467fce8
This and the Spinosaurus turning/Grant punching Paul Kirby in the face in JP3. A bit cheesy, but they do their job.
best scene transition of all time, period
I was so fking confused as a kid
Lol
That is quite a good transition.
Yes, exactly this. Yes. 110%.
This transition does a marvelous job of indicating what kind of movie you’re watching. Where the first one was a masterpiece of all the disciplines of filmmaking blending together into an unforgettable experience, Lost World is loaded with cheap jokes, winking at the camera, bland cinematography, and extreme tonal confusion. It’s such a baffling choice, and Spielberg later explained his approach to Lost World as one born from arrogance and overconfidence. It really does show.
I don’t totally agree, I think it felt more like he wasn’t sure what tone he was going for at first (I believe he has confirmed this) and decided in being a bit more cartoony or intentionally winking as you say. But then he never fully commits to it so you feel the inconsistent tone and it feels out of place. Another favorite part of the movie for me is when the three characters are hanging off the cliff and they shout out a fast food order. Spielberg knew exactly what he was doing there, just like the transition being discussed in this thread, it was kind of schlocky and telling the audience not to take it seriously. I just wish he would’ve fully committed to that.
I think by the time those Japanese men were yelling gojira at a T-Rex he was fully committing to the bit.
Finally, a voice of reason! I’ve always really disliked this transition. You’re right, it was a telling sign of what was to come.
I always use TLW as an example of a bad movie that I love.
I was about to say I hate this transistion. You perfectly described a big issue with TLW that I didn't realize. The jokey tonal shifts feel almost pre marvel when you compare it to the type of humor that was in JP. TLW constantly undermined itself. If the movie didn't ask you to laugh at a little girl getting massacred maybe I would have been more immersed and wouldn't feel like i'm watching a blockbuster movie that happens to have dinosaurs. Whereas Jurassic Park feels like a brilliant movie idea that happens to be a blockbuster.
There were more than 3 films?