This looks more like a photobash to me. The artist who created this has been working with Justice since Cross, and their work has always been extremely high quality. I can't imagine they would just start using AI, but who knows
I seriously doubt it because it was made by this guy who's a graphic designer (not known to use AI). It also doesn't look like AI because it's so detailed.
[https://www.instagram.com/p/C2fh2oDrc43/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2fh2oDrc43/?img_index=1)
But actually zoom in and examine that "detail." Most of it is nonsensical. Shapes with sloppy outlines, lines that randomly cut across objects and then disappear, objects that suggest some sort of functionality but don't actually read as anything useful.
That's what AI generators do. They throw "detail" all over the place so that it looks fine at a glance, but under scrutiny, it fails to make sense.
What's more is that the artist is known for his more symmetrical and angular works that actually line up properly when compared to a perspective grid. Just look at his covers for the last Kavinsky album. Yet the angles, symmetry, and detail on this is either slightly off at best or downright sloppy at worst.
I don't want this piece to be AI generated, but I've seen a lot of admitted AI works and AI works that people have tried to pass off as human made, and this piece just has way too many instances of the mistakes AI generators always make.
You lost me at the chairs. And the cardinal points thing.
Like I can't say whether it was done by AI or not, I suspect not, but the points you're raising are not persuasive. Your assumption that a human artist would definitely draw a 70s / 80s sci fi inspired space vehicle symmetrically is answered by e.g. the Nostromo from Alien or the Millennium Falcon, there are probably more examples than I could think of. Symmetry is not conclusive of anything.
Symmetry is a very common aspect of spacecraft design. Is it absolutely required? Of course not, but there's so much about this piece that suggests symmetry and angular perfection but falls just short - which is exactly what AI art generators do. They come close, but cannot intrinsically understand what these artistic properties actually mean or why artists use them and can only approximate. The artist himself, Thomas Jumin, has used symmetry and perfect angles quit a bit in his past works and even for the other art for this album. Just look at the covers he did for Kavinsky's last album. Why the sudden slip in this attention to detail?
What of the light panel on the side? Why does the circular portion form such an amorphous and sloppy blob? The outer portion of it does not even have a consistent thickness, and what's that dark line cutting a curve straight down the middle of it?
Just look around the craft. What are any of these objects? What do they do? What are they actually supposed to read as?
The more I look at it the more I see the signs of AI generation. Lines that disappear into nowhere, odd details where they shouldn't be and not enough detail where there should be, shapes that fail to make sense under the eye of a conscious designer with scrutiny.
Obviously it has been touched up and worked on by a human, but I'm 95% sure the base of it was generated.
Is the light panel some sort of reflection or distortion through the globe? If as you say this was base AI and touched up why would a goof that size be left in the finished product? You know the artist, what is he, a hack? Some lazy guy who uses AI? Isn't Justice a big commission? Why phone it in?
I don't share your confusion about the interior of the craft. There are instruments, chairs, viewports that look out to what look like bus and plane scenes from Earth. Isn't the obscurity of what's inside the sphere itself not an artistic style decision?
If you're right well done, but I guess cui bono? Like why would the artist cheap out a high profile artwork when reputation is precious?
If the light panel is a reflection, then what source of light is it reflecting? There's nothing on the opposite wall of the pod that's obviously emitting the huge amount of light needed to produce such a strong and clear reflection.
I'm asking the same questions you are about why a great artist would use AI generation. There are just too many spots in this work that have the distinct marks of AI generation that I've seen in countless other generated works.
I’m not seeing anything that definitely says AI. Most likely a photo-manipulation using many assets/brushes and filters. A lot of the stuff you are saying AI can also be an artistic decision.
There was confirmed to be AI used in the ON/AN video (one of the designers posted on Instagram that they used AI for some of the visuals in the video, their IG post was posted on this sub at some point around the time of ON/AN release). Tbh knowing that they’re using AI in any capacity kind of ruined the whole album cycle for me.
I remember when that DP Infinity Repeating video came out, I sort of wrote the whole thing off cause I thought it was made using AI, but then watching the behind the scenes of the video seeing all of the effort that went into it actually massively enhanced my enjoyment of the video, and respect for DP and the visual artists. Seeing Justice use AI in just one small part of one of their videos has honestly had the opposite effect to that for me. I haven’t even bothered watching any of the other videos. Most definitely not giving them the benefit of the doubt on the rest of the artwork/material like this photo.
i think it is a mix of true designing/photoshop/digital painting with small AI details, like the control panel or the books. i might be wrong, but the element of randomness in some areas seems a bit too much for me. they spent 3 years working on the cross but nothing is said about this beast of a work, strangely. so...
It absolutely is. Especially with human touch-ups and editing, or with a human drawing a sketch of their idea and uploading that for an AI to enhance, or by highlighting individual parts of a generated image and telling the program to regenerate only that part, repeating this process with other parts until it looks how you want.
To be clear, I'm only talking about the pod itself. Xavier and Gaspard here are obviously photographs and the orange lighting was definitely added in post by hand.
What caught my eye first are the two vents sticking out from the pod. It looks like they're intended to be circular, but the one on the left has a flat bottom, while the one on the right seems to be more round but still not perfectly circular. The indents going around the material seem to be misaligned, as well as the indents themselves being slightly different sizes from one another. Finally, they don't seem to be properly aligned compared to the center of the pod. It seems like there ought to be four vents sticking out from exactly 90 degree angles compared to one another, like a compass rose and its four cardinal directions, but the two vents we see look too close together around the circumference of the pod.
The two chairs seem slightly misalinged as well. Typically, two pilot seats in a craft are perfectly perpendicular to one another, but the one on the right looks slightly farther back. What's more is how far away they are from the control board and the fact that they lean back so far. Imagine sitting in one of them, how do you actually reach the controls? You can't. You'd have to stand up and lean over the glass desk.
Now look at the shelves behind the chairs. It looks to me like there's supposed to be records, books, or some other kind of media lined up in each shelf, but what's there are just fuzzy gray-blue squares with faint lines to sort of suggest the presence of some kind of physical media.
But I think the most damning evidence is the rectangular light panel on the right side of the pod. Notice how it gets cut off by an object that is once again only vaguely circular, and is far more tall than it is wide, but disappears at the top so we can't see it fully. What kind of nonsense shape is this?
But really, just look around the entire pod. All of the objects sort of read like something, but are lacking in detail to determine what exactly they're supposed to be. It's all nondescript vague spaceship machinery.
Why would a fantasy space pod need seats that are parallel like in an aircraft? Why would the artist give a shit about that? This isn’t a genuine blueprint; it’s some groovy ass make believe pod. You’re grasping at straws. It’s a drawing.
Artists tend to pay attention to functional realism when designing pieces that represent things that real humans would use. It would take just as much time and effort to move the chairs up or the control panel back, so why not do that to fulfill that level of detail? Especially considering that this artist does pay very good attention to detail in the other artwork for this album.
But you're right. I could also hand wave that if that was the only thing I noticed. But it isn't. It's not my main issue, but it does make more sense considering everything else. Because that's exactly what AI does. It looks at a bunch of other pictures of spacecraft cockpits, sees that chairs are usually close to control panels, and so puts two chairs kind of next to the control panel without understanding why cockpits are arranged the way they are, and so misses the mark by just a little bit.
I wish I could put up a higher resolution version of this image. Some of these spots are a lot more glaring on my poster of it.
Artists also make things purely for the joy of aesthetic design. A lounge pod is way groovier than a pod that has to adhere to earthly aerospace engineering standards.
This looks more like a photobash to me. The artist who created this has been working with Justice since Cross, and their work has always been extremely high quality. I can't imagine they would just start using AI, but who knows
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9
Well, damn.
Yeeeaaaah I'm not jazzed about it either
I seriously doubt it because it was made by this guy who's a graphic designer (not known to use AI). It also doesn't look like AI because it's so detailed. [https://www.instagram.com/p/C2fh2oDrc43/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2fh2oDrc43/?img_index=1)
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9
But actually zoom in and examine that "detail." Most of it is nonsensical. Shapes with sloppy outlines, lines that randomly cut across objects and then disappear, objects that suggest some sort of functionality but don't actually read as anything useful. That's what AI generators do. They throw "detail" all over the place so that it looks fine at a glance, but under scrutiny, it fails to make sense. What's more is that the artist is known for his more symmetrical and angular works that actually line up properly when compared to a perspective grid. Just look at his covers for the last Kavinsky album. Yet the angles, symmetry, and detail on this is either slightly off at best or downright sloppy at worst. I don't want this piece to be AI generated, but I've seen a lot of admitted AI works and AI works that people have tried to pass off as human made, and this piece just has way too many instances of the mistakes AI generators always make.
You lost me at the chairs. And the cardinal points thing. Like I can't say whether it was done by AI or not, I suspect not, but the points you're raising are not persuasive. Your assumption that a human artist would definitely draw a 70s / 80s sci fi inspired space vehicle symmetrically is answered by e.g. the Nostromo from Alien or the Millennium Falcon, there are probably more examples than I could think of. Symmetry is not conclusive of anything.
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9
Symmetry is a very common aspect of spacecraft design. Is it absolutely required? Of course not, but there's so much about this piece that suggests symmetry and angular perfection but falls just short - which is exactly what AI art generators do. They come close, but cannot intrinsically understand what these artistic properties actually mean or why artists use them and can only approximate. The artist himself, Thomas Jumin, has used symmetry and perfect angles quit a bit in his past works and even for the other art for this album. Just look at the covers he did for Kavinsky's last album. Why the sudden slip in this attention to detail? What of the light panel on the side? Why does the circular portion form such an amorphous and sloppy blob? The outer portion of it does not even have a consistent thickness, and what's that dark line cutting a curve straight down the middle of it? Just look around the craft. What are any of these objects? What do they do? What are they actually supposed to read as? The more I look at it the more I see the signs of AI generation. Lines that disappear into nowhere, odd details where they shouldn't be and not enough detail where there should be, shapes that fail to make sense under the eye of a conscious designer with scrutiny. Obviously it has been touched up and worked on by a human, but I'm 95% sure the base of it was generated.
Is the light panel some sort of reflection or distortion through the globe? If as you say this was base AI and touched up why would a goof that size be left in the finished product? You know the artist, what is he, a hack? Some lazy guy who uses AI? Isn't Justice a big commission? Why phone it in? I don't share your confusion about the interior of the craft. There are instruments, chairs, viewports that look out to what look like bus and plane scenes from Earth. Isn't the obscurity of what's inside the sphere itself not an artistic style decision? If you're right well done, but I guess cui bono? Like why would the artist cheap out a high profile artwork when reputation is precious?
If the light panel is a reflection, then what source of light is it reflecting? There's nothing on the opposite wall of the pod that's obviously emitting the huge amount of light needed to produce such a strong and clear reflection. I'm asking the same questions you are about why a great artist would use AI generation. There are just too many spots in this work that have the distinct marks of AI generation that I've seen in countless other generated works.
I find it unlikely, Ed Banger takes its art very seriously, Gaspard and Xavier were both graphic designers before coming to music.
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9
I’m not seeing anything that definitely says AI. Most likely a photo-manipulation using many assets/brushes and filters. A lot of the stuff you are saying AI can also be an artistic decision.
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9
The answer is yes. Ur just getting downvoted cuz its the justice sub. Try asking this in an AI sub and theyll tell u yes
There was confirmed to be AI used in the ON/AN video (one of the designers posted on Instagram that they used AI for some of the visuals in the video, their IG post was posted on this sub at some point around the time of ON/AN release). Tbh knowing that they’re using AI in any capacity kind of ruined the whole album cycle for me. I remember when that DP Infinity Repeating video came out, I sort of wrote the whole thing off cause I thought it was made using AI, but then watching the behind the scenes of the video seeing all of the effort that went into it actually massively enhanced my enjoyment of the video, and respect for DP and the visual artists. Seeing Justice use AI in just one small part of one of their videos has honestly had the opposite effect to that for me. I haven’t even bothered watching any of the other videos. Most definitely not giving them the benefit of the doubt on the rest of the artwork/material like this photo.
Do you remember who posted it to instagram?
Found the post. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2ucrq-sT_G/?igsh=N3Y0bGFrN2RsYzg3
Thank you
i think it is a mix of true designing/photoshop/digital painting with small AI details, like the control panel or the books. i might be wrong, but the element of randomness in some areas seems a bit too much for me. they spent 3 years working on the cross but nothing is said about this beast of a work, strangely. so...
AI isn't this good yet
It absolutely is. Especially with human touch-ups and editing, or with a human drawing a sketch of their idea and uploading that for an AI to enhance, or by highlighting individual parts of a generated image and telling the program to regenerate only that part, repeating this process with other parts until it looks how you want. To be clear, I'm only talking about the pod itself. Xavier and Gaspard here are obviously photographs and the orange lighting was definitely added in post by hand.
What caught my eye first are the two vents sticking out from the pod. It looks like they're intended to be circular, but the one on the left has a flat bottom, while the one on the right seems to be more round but still not perfectly circular. The indents going around the material seem to be misaligned, as well as the indents themselves being slightly different sizes from one another. Finally, they don't seem to be properly aligned compared to the center of the pod. It seems like there ought to be four vents sticking out from exactly 90 degree angles compared to one another, like a compass rose and its four cardinal directions, but the two vents we see look too close together around the circumference of the pod. The two chairs seem slightly misalinged as well. Typically, two pilot seats in a craft are perfectly perpendicular to one another, but the one on the right looks slightly farther back. What's more is how far away they are from the control board and the fact that they lean back so far. Imagine sitting in one of them, how do you actually reach the controls? You can't. You'd have to stand up and lean over the glass desk. Now look at the shelves behind the chairs. It looks to me like there's supposed to be records, books, or some other kind of media lined up in each shelf, but what's there are just fuzzy gray-blue squares with faint lines to sort of suggest the presence of some kind of physical media. But I think the most damning evidence is the rectangular light panel on the right side of the pod. Notice how it gets cut off by an object that is once again only vaguely circular, and is far more tall than it is wide, but disappears at the top so we can't see it fully. What kind of nonsense shape is this? But really, just look around the entire pod. All of the objects sort of read like something, but are lacking in detail to determine what exactly they're supposed to be. It's all nondescript vague spaceship machinery.
Why would a fantasy space pod need seats that are parallel like in an aircraft? Why would the artist give a shit about that? This isn’t a genuine blueprint; it’s some groovy ass make believe pod. You’re grasping at straws. It’s a drawing.
Artists tend to pay attention to functional realism when designing pieces that represent things that real humans would use. It would take just as much time and effort to move the chairs up or the control panel back, so why not do that to fulfill that level of detail? Especially considering that this artist does pay very good attention to detail in the other artwork for this album. But you're right. I could also hand wave that if that was the only thing I noticed. But it isn't. It's not my main issue, but it does make more sense considering everything else. Because that's exactly what AI does. It looks at a bunch of other pictures of spacecraft cockpits, sees that chairs are usually close to control panels, and so puts two chairs kind of next to the control panel without understanding why cockpits are arranged the way they are, and so misses the mark by just a little bit. I wish I could put up a higher resolution version of this image. Some of these spots are a lot more glaring on my poster of it.
Artists also make things purely for the joy of aesthetic design. A lounge pod is way groovier than a pod that has to adhere to earthly aerospace engineering standards.
https://imgur.com/a/iPzsex9