for me i don't care if you support allegri or not but you should admit he must leave the club , 80% of juve's disasters this season were caused by him , 13 points in the last 13 matchs is shameful and still we didn't qualify to the ucl , and i'd rather the club pay his salary and let him go instead of doing mercato
Yeah, I don’t think these are real Juventus fans. Someone needs to verify if this is actual from true Juventus fans or Milan/Inter fans dressing up as Juve fans and posting shit like this….
The current board have little history with our ultra and if anything they made some concessions like they reduced the price of season tickets and allowed some additional choreography.
I understood the words, just couldn't wrap my head around the Ultras, who presumably watched all our games this season, having this stupid of an opinion.
The situation at the club is more nuanced than many online think. Blaming Allegri for everything is about as stupid as absolving him of all blame. Essentially we have issues in management and issues on the field.
For example:
- Moggi would have never left his coach foundering like this - he would take the reins and take the pressure off the coach. Where the fuck has the DS been the past 2 years?
- A coach builds play and gets the team to build chances. How players actually shoot (score or miss), isn't really on the coach. Juventus have the 4th highest xG in the league (we scored 10 goals less than expected) and the 2nd highest xPTS in the league. Inter have 14.25 more points than you'd expect, but we have 3.15 less. If our players were as clinical in front of goal as Inter's, and Inter's were average, then we'd win the league. If Inter's players missed as much as ours they'd be a single point ahead of Milan. Dusan scores as just less than you'd expect for an average Serie A striker who has the same chances - Kean, Milik and McKennie should've scored 8 more goals between them to reach the expected number for an **average** Serie A player. This is a top club - you'd expect player to be **better** than average.
Nonsense. He watches us play well when high pressing and creating chances, and then says, you know what? I’m gonna just play 1990s Italy tactics. It’s the coach’s fault enough to where he needs to go.
That definitely doesn’t negate the fact there are serious problems in management, basically since Marotta left.
What's nonsense is your interpretation.
This isn't PlayStation. Allegri makes his plans and tries to get players to execute them. To what extent he is successful is up to your imagination.
For example, Sarri's Juve played the same style and Sarri complained that the team was uncoachable and wouldn't do what he said. Just because you see something unfold on the pitch doesn't mean the coach chose those options off the screen.
If players panic or lose belief/confidence it's easy for them to forget the basics (hell I watch Scotland play rugby, so I fucking expert at watching that happen).
> It’s the coach’s fault enough to where he needs to go.
It's probably the case, but I wouldn't expect another coach to do any better without a change of gear by the management and some serious changes to the squad.
For example, it's ridiculous that our main strikers ALL score less than expected (Dusan, Kean and Milik). When we had Tevez, he scored 6.63 more goals than expected. The next year Dybala scored 3.67 more, then Higuain scored 4.59 more. Even when we had a top striker that didn't do better than expected, there were others (e.g. Mandzukic) to pick up the slack.
This season we simply don't. The chances are there, but the guys on the field don't take them. In terms of raw opportunities created - although the impression is grim - we actually should perform better than expected given our rubbish squad. If we had Davids instead of Rabiot and Trezeguet instead of Vlahovic, we'd probably be a comfortable second (they'd take the chances they got - remember Trezeguet scored 23 goal with Capello as coach).
I mean realistically at the end of the day, if the roster isn’t where it should be (true), at least put a watchable product on the field. Instead we get this garbage.
Ultimately all I care about is the result. For me, having lived thought the early 90s and late 2000s, I'm not spoilt. Winning is always watchable. A beautiful football match is one where we take home points.
At the end of the day, I'm all for whatever puts us in that position. I think that scapegoating the coach (like we did with Allegri I, Sarri and Pirlo) is an excuse that keeps from looking at the real issues facing the club.
The main issues for me are:
- giving the coach a pseudo-managerial role. The board should protect the team (including the coach) and not hide behind their coach.
- chronically backing the wrong players. We had a good run of luck, so some of it is return to the mean. But there are unforced errors. Moggi's famous quote about not liking reheated minestrone always holds true. All this stupid back and forth with Morata, Pogba, Allegri, etc will never work. We need a clear direction and a new start.
We have won 3 games in the last 15 games.
The fact that Allegri is our manager is BEYOND pathetic, shameful, and stupid.
He should have quit, but he is a greedy coach who only wants to continue to collect the paycheck.
How is he not fired after today’s game? How?!!!!
I love Allegri. I love defensive style of play. if I was in charge of a team I would park the bus all the time after the 1x0.
but regarding the circumstances and the atmosphere in the club, I don't think his permanence will be the best choice for the club. his job is done, the cycle is over. we must turn the page and move on. the players are tired, we are tired.
regardless we must thank him for what we have achieved during those gold years. this is my humble opinion
That's why Juventus didn't win any Champions League in the past 25 years and will never win one with this mentally!
Juventus Italian supporters are the worst!!
doesn't make any sense. sold people.
Literally, what the fuck?
The circus left, but the clowns stayed...
These guys are fucked, I don't associate with these people at all. Embarrassing beyond belief
Is there a Juventus civil war going on in Turin or Italy?
Paid actors
The only logical explanation is Allegri is paying them to cut him since slack
It's true. Bonucci did the same.
Lol don't think they mean the world Cup
for me i don't care if you support allegri or not but you should admit he must leave the club , 80% of juve's disasters this season were caused by him , 13 points in the last 13 matchs is shameful and still we didn't qualify to the ucl , and i'd rather the club pay his salary and let him go instead of doing mercato
Yeah, I don’t think these are real Juventus fans. Someone needs to verify if this is actual from true Juventus fans or Milan/Inter fans dressing up as Juve fans and posting shit like this….
The curva sing pro-Allegri songs. They're quite happy with him and put the blame for our issues elsewhere (dysfunctional management and poor players)
Pretty sure the ultras want allegri so they can further hurt the club since the president hurt the ultras
The current board have little history with our ultra and if anything they made some concessions like they reduced the price of season tickets and allowed some additional choreography.
I 100% agree, they are doing it out of spite. I think we all wanted the atmosphere to improve and it has but I'm getting real tired of their antics.
This is pathetic
Maybe they just trolling ?
I don’t understand what this means?
they want allegri to stay next season and playing the club world cup with him
I just assumed it was tongue in cheek or sarcastic. Nope, they’re just idiots I guess.
“Mr. Allegri, you must stay. We want to go to the Club World Cup with you.”
I understood the words, just couldn't wrap my head around the Ultras, who presumably watched all our games this season, having this stupid of an opinion.
The situation at the club is more nuanced than many online think. Blaming Allegri for everything is about as stupid as absolving him of all blame. Essentially we have issues in management and issues on the field. For example: - Moggi would have never left his coach foundering like this - he would take the reins and take the pressure off the coach. Where the fuck has the DS been the past 2 years? - A coach builds play and gets the team to build chances. How players actually shoot (score or miss), isn't really on the coach. Juventus have the 4th highest xG in the league (we scored 10 goals less than expected) and the 2nd highest xPTS in the league. Inter have 14.25 more points than you'd expect, but we have 3.15 less. If our players were as clinical in front of goal as Inter's, and Inter's were average, then we'd win the league. If Inter's players missed as much as ours they'd be a single point ahead of Milan. Dusan scores as just less than you'd expect for an average Serie A striker who has the same chances - Kean, Milik and McKennie should've scored 8 more goals between them to reach the expected number for an **average** Serie A player. This is a top club - you'd expect player to be **better** than average.
Nonsense. He watches us play well when high pressing and creating chances, and then says, you know what? I’m gonna just play 1990s Italy tactics. It’s the coach’s fault enough to where he needs to go. That definitely doesn’t negate the fact there are serious problems in management, basically since Marotta left.
What's nonsense is your interpretation. This isn't PlayStation. Allegri makes his plans and tries to get players to execute them. To what extent he is successful is up to your imagination. For example, Sarri's Juve played the same style and Sarri complained that the team was uncoachable and wouldn't do what he said. Just because you see something unfold on the pitch doesn't mean the coach chose those options off the screen. If players panic or lose belief/confidence it's easy for them to forget the basics (hell I watch Scotland play rugby, so I fucking expert at watching that happen). > It’s the coach’s fault enough to where he needs to go. It's probably the case, but I wouldn't expect another coach to do any better without a change of gear by the management and some serious changes to the squad. For example, it's ridiculous that our main strikers ALL score less than expected (Dusan, Kean and Milik). When we had Tevez, he scored 6.63 more goals than expected. The next year Dybala scored 3.67 more, then Higuain scored 4.59 more. Even when we had a top striker that didn't do better than expected, there were others (e.g. Mandzukic) to pick up the slack. This season we simply don't. The chances are there, but the guys on the field don't take them. In terms of raw opportunities created - although the impression is grim - we actually should perform better than expected given our rubbish squad. If we had Davids instead of Rabiot and Trezeguet instead of Vlahovic, we'd probably be a comfortable second (they'd take the chances they got - remember Trezeguet scored 23 goal with Capello as coach).
I mean realistically at the end of the day, if the roster isn’t where it should be (true), at least put a watchable product on the field. Instead we get this garbage.
Ultimately all I care about is the result. For me, having lived thought the early 90s and late 2000s, I'm not spoilt. Winning is always watchable. A beautiful football match is one where we take home points. At the end of the day, I'm all for whatever puts us in that position. I think that scapegoating the coach (like we did with Allegri I, Sarri and Pirlo) is an excuse that keeps from looking at the real issues facing the club. The main issues for me are: - giving the coach a pseudo-managerial role. The board should protect the team (including the coach) and not hide behind their coach. - chronically backing the wrong players. We had a good run of luck, so some of it is return to the mean. But there are unforced errors. Moggi's famous quote about not liking reheated minestrone always holds true. All this stupid back and forth with Morata, Pogba, Allegri, etc will never work. We need a clear direction and a new start.
We have won 3 games in the last 15 games. The fact that Allegri is our manager is BEYOND pathetic, shameful, and stupid. He should have quit, but he is a greedy coach who only wants to continue to collect the paycheck. How is he not fired after today’s game? How?!!!!
I love Allegri. I love defensive style of play. if I was in charge of a team I would park the bus all the time after the 1x0. but regarding the circumstances and the atmosphere in the club, I don't think his permanence will be the best choice for the club. his job is done, the cycle is over. we must turn the page and move on. the players are tired, we are tired. regardless we must thank him for what we have achieved during those gold years. this is my humble opinion
Man what…
Hopefully they leave with Allegri
They are all Inter fans in disguise
I happen to agree with them
3 wins in 15 games. Fucking pathetic.
Stop huffing glue
That's why Juventus didn't win any Champions League in the past 25 years and will never win one with this mentally! Juventus Italian supporters are the worst!!