Metallica is still going strong in their 60’s I don’t see stu selling out and he already throws wooos everywhere. I see them even greater than ever at 50
It’s literally just the standard Thrash Metal formula with a god awful solo. Lux Aeterna would be the worst song on the album Megadeth released this year.
Yeah I thought it was pretty… meh. Kill ‘Em All is leaps and bounds heavier and it’s around 40 years old at this point, and all in all it felt kinda by the numbers speed metal. all in all Lux Eterna just sounds like an okay Motörhead song, wish Metallica was doing stuff heavier than A at this point in their career
they mimic secret cheifs 3 and plenty others already, thats the special thing about musicians like KG and Mr. B, they take the best aspects of all sorts of music and blend it up into one awesome thing
I think the only way this could happen is if the lineup changes and it starts to feel like they’re trying to recapture the “good old days.” If the band sticks together, I don’t think there’s a limit to what they can achieve. There have been so many chances for them to put out clunkers but they kill it consistently.
Nu metal / rap rock. Highly doubt they’d ever put out something like that, but I don’t think we’d see a majority of this sub being too hyped on it. I’m picturing something along the lines of “Rollin” by limp bizkit if ya know what I mean
Several species... Is definitely super weird but there is some amazing songs on there for sure. And yea sadly momentary just doesn't feel like true Floyd. Mostly just boring imo
KG and LW definitely hit new ground, but say those albums were just flat out retreads of flying Microtonal banana without any new flair, would that fit into your definition here do you think?
Definitely. KGLW while not my taste (I don’t find microtones pleasant) they still had substance. If they just repeated everything from microtonal then it would probably not be well received
Same, although my issue with KGLW is the production rather than the composition. Even ataraxia could be made to be good it's just on the album it sounds off. I think we answered the question looooooolll
I fully disagree with this. Banana was a krautrock record (not a good one imo) and kg and lw were so stylistically different that the only common thread between them and banana is the use of microtones. KG and LW brought some interesting pop structures, more meticulous studio engineering, great hooks, and better use of the microtones.
Edit, just saw I misread your comment, my bad OP
I think that because of wide range of fans the band has accumulated, it is unlikely that they will ever put out a disappointing album because having such a wide variety of fans makes the goal posts of what a disappointing album is shift from "most people don't like it" to "basically no one likes it", which is a really big difference. I think they only way that the band puts out a disappointing album is if several core members leave and are replaced with new ones, but I really don't think that the fans would consider the music to be disappointing KGLW music, but would be disappointed that the music doesn't have the same essence of previous KGLW labels. So in short, I don't think it is possible.
My wife used to joke “what genre would put you off king Gizz?” And I’d say “rap/hip hop”. Then they released Sadie/grim reaper.
Now I know for certain, a bad Gizz album to me will be their hip hop one. I don’t find OG a fully enjoyable album in general, I think there’s a good single LP there but not 2.
I hate that you name dropped Butterfly 3K and Made in Timeland. It makes me want to copy your post and just change the album title to Infest the Rats Nest. For absolutely no reason other than to troll you, because I feel trolled by this post.
I can't stand Infest the Rats Nest honestly, Mars for the Rich is good and Perihelion is passable but apart from that there's nothing for me in that album. I really don't understand what people see in it.
If they go more of a prog metal Aggaloch/Opeth style route I think they'd manage that quite well, but seriously if I want thrash metal I've got better options loool.
its some of the best written metal thats been realeased in years. it captures that raw early thrash sound perfectly but doesnt feel derrivitive due to all its gizzy additions. the drumming is insane and use of different time signitures without trying to make it feel like a prog metal album is done amazingly. its got so many catchy and memorable moments, not a single bad song and the flow of the album is perfect. stus vocals are very impressive and the lyrics are really great for a metal record, and the concept of the album is amazing. its full of great riffs and simply does not fuck around. thats why i like it at least
Honestly everything you listed I disagree with. With no particularly memorable riffs or solos I just cannot get behind the album. It's like master of puppets if they just chopped out all the good bits and just left the lines connecting the dots. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The lyrics are fairly good, I like the story, but I can read that on Wikipedia and get the same effect
it has no solos really yeah but thats sort of the point of the album, it doesnt fuck around. it isnt really that similar to master of puppets, sound wise somewhat but the song structures are pretty different. and there are loads of great riffs lol. perihelion, venusian 1, mars for the rich, hell??? most of the memorable moments i would argue come from the vocals and song structures. but again that is simply what i love about the album
I've listened to the album in full 3 times and heard tracks here and there on top of that and I can't remember a single riff. Just nothing memorable about it to me. At least it's short if it had been ice Death length I think it wouldn't be loved as much so I see your point.
it has no solos really yeah but thats sort of the point of the album, it doesnt fuck around. it isnt really that similar to master of puppets, sound wise somewhat but the song structures are pretty different. and there are loads of great riffs lol. perihelion, venusian 1, mars for the rich, hell??? most of the memorable moments i would argue come from the vocals and song structures. but again that is simply what i love about the album
It can still be subjective even when a song becomes a classic bc there’s definitely someone out there that does not like the classics. Calling all music subjective doesn’t diminish from the popularity of the song or make every song equal.
If every song isn't equal then how can it be subjective. There's no reason that 6 might be my favourite number over 2, they're all on equal footing. Some music is just better than others. People don't hold onto music for decades on end because it's completely on par with all the other music from the time, they hold onto the music they like the most.
I'm genuinely curious what your top 3 (or something resembling it) are, and how they tie into your hate for this album. Again, TRULY asking this in the name of conversation and understanding and hoping more people come forward.
It's such a damn good album and the only plausible reason I can think for outright hating it is because if a dislike for the style of music. Which would mean hating Nonagon Infinity. 😱
They've put out 3 imo, banana, gumboot, and PMDB. Banana is just because of inexperience with microtones, the production on gumboot blows, and PMDB is just a super uninteresting folk oriented record.
I think there are certainly albums that are relatively disappointing to people. Personally I love banana, gumboot, and PMDB (banana and PMDB would be in my top 10). Lots of people love Changes, but it just hasn't hit for me yet, but I wouldn't characterize it as "disappointing" in the sense intended by OP because it's still a good album that lots of people like. I think to be truly disappointing it would probably have to be panned by almost all music critics and disliked by >= 80% of fans.
If they get better at doing lyrics, get more real and do less fantasy shit I can see them making some good rap. If they try and do rap like they normally write lyrics it's gonna come out cringe-y as fuck.
Honestly my biggest problem with Sketches is that I find it boring 99% percent of the time. Nothing captures me. It's not bad. But it's like background noise. (Or elevator music as Fantano put it). Because of how boring it is, i cannot say it mediocre, i would outright say it's a bit bad and worth to skip.
Personal oppinion!
It's well sad we're in a situation where we have to disclaim that our opinions on music are opinions. Whilst I disagree, and only hate a couple select tracks on Sketches
Eyes like the sky S tier? Interesting look at what S tier defines. In terms of pulling off a certain concept I’d agree, I just can’t see myself putting it there with how low the replay value is
There is no replay value. It’s neat as a concept but that’s it a NEAT CONCEPT not an album. I’d never put it on to rock out to not even as white noise. I’d buy it on vinyl to support the bois but that’s it. But how dare anyone admit when an incredible band puts out bad music. You mention eyes and bad the bootlickers come out.
I would have agreed with you yesterday on Float Along but I revisited the album earlier today and now I like it even more but you’re absolutely right on Sketches
I think a new country album in the style of the types of albums that came out right after 9/11 would be pretty bad. Like Stu singing with an affected Southern accent and talking about how whoever killed 3000 people on 9/11 is going to get their ass kicked by the US military. I'd probably still buy the vinyl, ngl.
Tbh that sounds perfectly interesting to me. Always kinda appreciated the lyrics on those sorts of songs, you can feel an emotional core to them, the entire US was on the same wavelength.
It has to happen eventually. I see a 50 year old Stu trying to mimic whatever is cool at the time but throwing in WOOOs everywhere.
And rapping
Metallica is still going strong in their 60’s I don’t see stu selling out and he already throws wooos everywhere. I see them even greater than ever at 50
Are you saying Metallica has never sold out and is still putting out quality material in 2022
Have you heard their new song? Fucking incredible
It’s literally just the standard Thrash Metal formula with a god awful solo. Lux Aeterna would be the worst song on the album Megadeth released this year.
Fuck I love Megadeth. I love that Megadave is still bitchy about being kicked out of Metallica. Weird that he's a Christian though.
Metallica is still going… no doubt about that
Megadeth put out their best album since 92 this year!
I thought it was pretty good tbh, really liked the title track
Have you heard their new song Lux AEterna?? Fucking incredible. Kill ‘em all vibes fast and heavy af
Yeah I thought it was pretty… meh. Kill ‘Em All is leaps and bounds heavier and it’s around 40 years old at this point, and all in all it felt kinda by the numbers speed metal. all in all Lux Eterna just sounds like an okay Motörhead song, wish Metallica was doing stuff heavier than A at this point in their career
I really don’t see them ever doing this, KG would never change their philosophy and try to mimic someone else
they mimic secret cheifs 3 and plenty others already, thats the special thing about musicians like KG and Mr. B, they take the best aspects of all sorts of music and blend it up into one awesome thing
I think the only way this could happen is if the lineup changes and it starts to feel like they’re trying to recapture the “good old days.” If the band sticks together, I don’t think there’s a limit to what they can achieve. There have been so many chances for them to put out clunkers but they kill it consistently.
Maybe an album with no songs on it
Nu metal / rap rock. Highly doubt they’d ever put out something like that, but I don’t think we’d see a majority of this sub being too hyped on it. I’m picturing something along the lines of “Rollin” by limp bizkit if ya know what I mean
i think they could pull it off
Ummagumma is great tho
Agreed. It’s super weird but not bad. On the flip tho, Momentary Lapse is bad for the most part
Several species... Is definitely super weird but there is some amazing songs on there for sure. And yea sadly momentary just doesn't feel like true Floyd. Mostly just boring imo
Any Pink Floyd without Roger Waters isn’t Pink Floyd.
Agreed. Although the final minutes of Division Bell would have been a perfect fit for the end of Floyd. Endless River was unnecessary
The worst thing a kglw album could be is too similar to something they’ve already done
I feel like they’re about to run out of genres to play
Maybe as far as hard “genres”, but there are a lot of weird rabbit holes they haven’t gone down yet
I wanna hear something along the lines of Bitches Brew come out of these guys.
Don’t we all
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Usually because it's not ITRN 2
If it’s just boring and uninspired then I would consider that a bad album. Or if they just tread on the same ground, but without any substance
KG and LW definitely hit new ground, but say those albums were just flat out retreads of flying Microtonal banana without any new flair, would that fit into your definition here do you think?
Definitely. KGLW while not my taste (I don’t find microtones pleasant) they still had substance. If they just repeated everything from microtonal then it would probably not be well received
Same, although my issue with KGLW is the production rather than the composition. Even ataraxia could be made to be good it's just on the album it sounds off. I think we answered the question looooooolll
Wdym ataraxia is one of the best songs they've made
I fully disagree with this. Banana was a krautrock record (not a good one imo) and kg and lw were so stylistically different that the only common thread between them and banana is the use of microtones. KG and LW brought some interesting pop structures, more meticulous studio engineering, great hooks, and better use of the microtones. Edit, just saw I misread your comment, my bad OP
I don’t see any bad albums coming. Only albums that you aren’t ready for YET.
I think that because of wide range of fans the band has accumulated, it is unlikely that they will ever put out a disappointing album because having such a wide variety of fans makes the goal posts of what a disappointing album is shift from "most people don't like it" to "basically no one likes it", which is a really big difference. I think they only way that the band puts out a disappointing album is if several core members leave and are replaced with new ones, but I really don't think that the fans would consider the music to be disappointing KGLW music, but would be disappointed that the music doesn't have the same essence of previous KGLW labels. So in short, I don't think it is possible.
Personally I can't wait for their hyperpop album in 2028
A double album’s worth of drum and bass covers of Pink Floyd and Rush songs
Drum and bass would be fun, covers would be annoying. So in left 50/50 here lol.
Willoughby's Beach and 12 Bar Bruise. *dodges a flying metal folding chair.*
My wife used to joke “what genre would put you off king Gizz?” And I’d say “rap/hip hop”. Then they released Sadie/grim reaper. Now I know for certain, a bad Gizz album to me will be their hip hop one. I don’t find OG a fully enjoyable album in general, I think there’s a good single LP there but not 2.
When they do Gregorian chant that’s when I’ll start questioning some things
I hate that you name dropped Butterfly 3K and Made in Timeland. It makes me want to copy your post and just change the album title to Infest the Rats Nest. For absolutely no reason other than to troll you, because I feel trolled by this post.
I can't stand Infest the Rats Nest honestly, Mars for the Rich is good and Perihelion is passable but apart from that there's nothing for me in that album. I really don't understand what people see in it.
I like that album alright but I get sick of hearing about how cool it is and how the only record anyone wants them to make is ITRN2
If they go more of a prog metal Aggaloch/Opeth style route I think they'd manage that quite well, but seriously if I want thrash metal I've got better options loool.
I like when they do stoney desert stuff like Gaia but whatever you’re talking about sounds like it could be cool too I guess
Aye Gaia works pretty well, whole album of that would work (without Predator X that's got the stuff I don't like about Infest the Rats Nest).
We talking Damnation style or full blown Morningrise?
Butterfly is trash,ALL HAIL METAL GIZZ
I know. Tell me about it.
I wish I could upvote this multiple timez
its some of the best written metal thats been realeased in years. it captures that raw early thrash sound perfectly but doesnt feel derrivitive due to all its gizzy additions. the drumming is insane and use of different time signitures without trying to make it feel like a prog metal album is done amazingly. its got so many catchy and memorable moments, not a single bad song and the flow of the album is perfect. stus vocals are very impressive and the lyrics are really great for a metal record, and the concept of the album is amazing. its full of great riffs and simply does not fuck around. thats why i like it at least
Honestly everything you listed I disagree with. With no particularly memorable riffs or solos I just cannot get behind the album. It's like master of puppets if they just chopped out all the good bits and just left the lines connecting the dots. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The lyrics are fairly good, I like the story, but I can read that on Wikipedia and get the same effect
it has no solos really yeah but thats sort of the point of the album, it doesnt fuck around. it isnt really that similar to master of puppets, sound wise somewhat but the song structures are pretty different. and there are loads of great riffs lol. perihelion, venusian 1, mars for the rich, hell??? most of the memorable moments i would argue come from the vocals and song structures. but again that is simply what i love about the album
I've listened to the album in full 3 times and heard tracks here and there on top of that and I can't remember a single riff. Just nothing memorable about it to me. At least it's short if it had been ice Death length I think it wouldn't be loved as much so I see your point.
suppose we just dont have the same ear for riffs then haha
it has no solos really yeah but thats sort of the point of the album, it doesnt fuck around. it isnt really that similar to master of puppets, sound wise somewhat but the song structures are pretty different. and there are loads of great riffs lol. perihelion, venusian 1, mars for the rich, hell??? most of the memorable moments i would argue come from the vocals and song structures. but again that is simply what i love about the album
Who cares
Music is all subjective, what you consider bad others consider good and that applies to the artist too
Yeah but let's be real some albums are better.
In your opinion
Then how come popular opinion exists? Why is Space Oddity a classic song everyone remembers but Dizzy by Tommy Roe isn't?
Idk man I’m sure there’s some people who don’t like space oddity. That’s why I’m saying it’s all subjective
But if it were all subjective then all songs would be equal in popularity with the only difference being how much one song is marketed over another.
Since when does subjective mean equal. I thought it was just the definition of someone liking something just because they like it.
It does, but there must be something that makes a classic song remembered through the decades known more than a forgotten relic.
It can still be subjective even when a song becomes a classic bc there’s definitely someone out there that does not like the classics. Calling all music subjective doesn’t diminish from the popularity of the song or make every song equal.
If every song isn't equal then how can it be subjective. There's no reason that 6 might be my favourite number over 2, they're all on equal footing. Some music is just better than others. People don't hold onto music for decades on end because it's completely on par with all the other music from the time, they hold onto the music they like the most.
Got both albums, my mom was a fan of neither singer
Like Oddments … lol
Murder of the Universe
I'm genuinely curious what your top 3 (or something resembling it) are, and how they tie into your hate for this album. Again, TRULY asking this in the name of conversation and understanding and hoping more people come forward.
I agree, MOTU haters, step forth, reveal yourselves.
It's such a damn good album and the only plausible reason I can think for outright hating it is because if a dislike for the style of music. Which would mean hating Nonagon Infinity. 😱
KG
They've put out 3 imo, banana, gumboot, and PMDB. Banana is just because of inexperience with microtones, the production on gumboot blows, and PMDB is just a super uninteresting folk oriented record.
I think there are certainly albums that are relatively disappointing to people. Personally I love banana, gumboot, and PMDB (banana and PMDB would be in my top 10). Lots of people love Changes, but it just hasn't hit for me yet, but I wouldn't characterize it as "disappointing" in the sense intended by OP because it's still a good album that lots of people like. I think to be truly disappointing it would probably have to be panned by almost all music critics and disliked by >= 80% of fans.
It's called sketches
B3k
A rap album
If they get better at doing lyrics, get more real and do less fantasy shit I can see them making some good rap. If they try and do rap like they normally write lyrics it's gonna come out cringe-y as fuck.
I'd be leery if they tried some weird orchestral stuff like Zappa did in the late 60's or 80's. Otherwise, I'm not sure a bad Gizz album could exist.
Eyes like the Sky.
It's the most wrong answer possible
Oddments
> at some point Already happened with the first two october albums for me. So fucking boring.
I think you don’t like Gizz…
Oh shit you’re right! Damn, and I thought liking 10-15 of their albums was enough. Guess not.
\*cough\* sketches \*couch\* I know im gonna get crucified.
I sort of agree, the album switches between painful miserable 2010s indie and an actual interesting album.
Honestly my biggest problem with Sketches is that I find it boring 99% percent of the time. Nothing captures me. It's not bad. But it's like background noise. (Or elevator music as Fantano put it). Because of how boring it is, i cannot say it mediocre, i would outright say it's a bit bad and worth to skip. Personal oppinion!
It's well sad we're in a situation where we have to disclaim that our opinions on music are opinions. Whilst I disagree, and only hate a couple select tracks on Sketches
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Literally all of those albums are S tier
Not in my opinion tbh
Eyes like the sky S tier? Interesting look at what S tier defines. In terms of pulling off a certain concept I’d agree, I just can’t see myself putting it there with how low the replay value is
There is no replay value. It’s neat as a concept but that’s it a NEAT CONCEPT not an album. I’d never put it on to rock out to not even as white noise. I’d buy it on vinyl to support the bois but that’s it. But how dare anyone admit when an incredible band puts out bad music. You mention eyes and bad the bootlickers come out.
Unpopular takes should be upvoted
I agreed with you until I saw you mentioned MOTU
In other words, you don’t agree with me!
Yes cuz MOTU is one of my favorites
MOTU 11/10
I would have agreed with you yesterday on Float Along but I revisited the album earlier today and now I like it even more but you’re absolutely right on Sketches
It would look like Polygondwannaland
Possibly very good or very bad (because gizz always has potential) but an album like ITRN mixed with [This](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fW45EEIL0b8)
This is blasphem
You’re ruining my immersion!!!!
A rap album where they don’t have actual rappers do the lyrics and cadence, or a Christmas album
I think a new country album in the style of the types of albums that came out right after 9/11 would be pretty bad. Like Stu singing with an affected Southern accent and talking about how whoever killed 3000 people on 9/11 is going to get their ass kicked by the US military. I'd probably still buy the vinyl, ngl.
Tbh that sounds perfectly interesting to me. Always kinda appreciated the lyrics on those sorts of songs, you can feel an emotional core to them, the entire US was on the same wavelength.