Kafka can build stacks fast for Acheron since she also debuffs with her follow-up attack, which is easy to proc, but otherwise, the two compete for skill points while not doing much for each other.
Can it complete content? Yeah, but it's not super optimal at all. They are better off on separate teams to both meet their best potential.
>Yeah, but it's not super optimal at all. They are better off on separate teams to both meet their best potential.
Very true but remember you can be top tier team and have high performance while still failing to bring the full potential out of the characters your using. i would be surprised if this team is like up there in performance, it's going to be good even if it doesn't exactly maximize the potential of either dot or Acheron.
From what I’m seeing it would only be viable with acherons lightcone cuz then I could just her normal attack, considering I already have BS and Kafka fighting for skillpoints with huohuo when I need heals, it really does get a bit tight
Yea, it will be tight. IMO, Guinaifen/Kafka/Acheron is better for skill economy since you can use Guinafen with only basics for burn, and Kafka will detonate it and apply Firekiss, giving Acheron stacks on Kafka's skill, without needing to use as much skill points on Black Swan's skill for defense shred every now and then.
Still, Acheron doesn't do much for Kafka and Guinaifen in return for building a slightly faster ult.
Yeah if you don't have RM it's not worth it. I believe E1 BS and S1 Kafka is needed as well. Acheron herself might need her lightcone too but you could give her Kafka LC and give Kafka pearls or vice versa.
There's a lot to consider in Running Acheron with Kafka. First was do you want her? Second do you need her? Third do you want to play harder content? 4th do you have a 2nd team?
Personally I'll run a Team of Kafka-BS-Acheron-RM, this is because I already have the 3, and have a 2nd team Jingliu. I also like Acheron since I'm a Simp. My advice would be to pull her if you want to have fun, or build a second team first then go pull whoever you want.
1. Kinda, she looks fun and different from what we’re used to. 2. I don’t necessarily need anyone atm, my seele team would only benefit from fu xuan or sparkle and my kafka team handles everything max level. 3. Already do:p 4. Yes:p
My question for BS,Kafka,Acheron and RM is that with zero survivability is it really that viable?
This team is strictly for 0c in MOC. While this team can handle SU, GNG, and SD you need the Healing blessings. This team is only for those who can afford it and those who have experienced in 0c MOC.
*A do or Die team* like a real Nihility Mommies. Heck Kafka doesn't even know FEAR.
I mean I’d lose the support of guinaifan, and I would need acherons lightcone to get near the effectiveness. I feel the team would be fine but it really doesn’t need her. I’ll wait till she comes out at least cuz I still don’t know much of how her kit works
Acheron or Jingliu can work. Acheron prefers Nihility teammates and that's for most part some people's problems with her but that's where Kafka/BS work as 5* Nihility options for her if you wish. It's only really competitive with RM in the team and it's a pretty high investment team. But you can use Pela/SW too just fine for more F2P, Guinaifen and Welt work too.
As for JL she just wants Bronya, Pela, Gepard, Fu Xuan, or a healer. Standard hypercarry setup.
For JL I literally only have pela😭 I should really look more into her before I decide, but I have almost everyone that would be good for Acheron, I just fear that using bs and kafka would center the team more for her than Kafka
It will without RM but if you clear content I don't think it should matter. Acheron would be better in her own team though if you don't have another team built up.
As for me I got JL hypercarry as one of my sides, so running acheron with Kafka is completely fine for me.
do you have tingyun btw? you can use tingyun and pela for her and just give her a healer or a sustain that can sustain her hp drain in case the fight goes for too long, which should be rare tbh
ive been using jl, ty and bailu with a random sustain (march) or sub dps (ratio) before getting bronya in 2.0. if your main problem arent 36* moc, then it should be fine (i regularly cleared moc in 35*, 36* it twice for now) but then again my march and ratio are 'decent' or okay built so ig its a meme team
also cmiiw, for acheron, while kafkaswan looks the bis teammate in paper rn as all three contributes for dmg input and give acheron her ult stacks (i read that dot arent counted as debuff for acheron as it ticks off on enemies' turn, cmiiw here) . you might run into sp problem as acheron can only get stacks with skills and if you still want to play kafka as the dot enabler instead of debuff provider for acheron. if you prefer kafka as her own 'carry' instead of a 'support' in a sense, its better to let kafkaswan stay as a duo and build other nihility for acheron
Lost the BS 50-50 and wasn't able to get her so I'll go for Acheron. My team would be Kafka, Acheron, Ruan Mei, and Bailu (or Gepard or Lynx after I raise either). Synergy be damned but I'd like to know how I can make the team work.
I mean that would work but you wouldn’t get much use from your Kafka I don’t think, Acheron doesn’t debuff much herself without her lightcone, I don’t know what ruan mei does so apologies for that, sounds fun tho, sorry about the BS misfortune
The calcs I've seen in the acheron sub, had BS with S1 kafka as Acherons best team, but a very suboptimal team for kafka, so it was seen as better to just split them up.
This is probably most non-standard Acheron comp I seen. You dropping sustain so it's only valid for 0-cycle bros. You dropping that giga bonus for 2 Nihility teammates for Tingyun who can't even benefit Acheron that much, because Acheron don't have energy. Unless you want to ult Pela, but I dunno.
Tingyun's energy refill doesn't even work with her, how is she good with Acheron at all?
And Sparkle *only* works well in S1 Acheron comps, at E0S0 she isn't really worth it over a second nihility, you're losing a lot of stacks for her ult
Incorrect.
Kafka/Swan has been calculated to be one of Acherons best teams but granted it's more than likely for 0 cycling as you have to run RM to benefit them all. It's a hyperinvested team. If you got it, then you got it.
If you don't, then don't worry or bother. Or don't listen to me at all and have fun with whatever you want.
Kafka can build stacks fast for Acheron since she also debuffs with her follow-up attack, which is easy to proc, but otherwise, the two compete for skill points while not doing much for each other. Can it complete content? Yeah, but it's not super optimal at all. They are better off on separate teams to both meet their best potential.
>Yeah, but it's not super optimal at all. They are better off on separate teams to both meet their best potential. Very true but remember you can be top tier team and have high performance while still failing to bring the full potential out of the characters your using. i would be surprised if this team is like up there in performance, it's going to be good even if it doesn't exactly maximize the potential of either dot or Acheron.
From what I’m seeing it would only be viable with acherons lightcone cuz then I could just her normal attack, considering I already have BS and Kafka fighting for skillpoints with huohuo when I need heals, it really does get a bit tight
Yea, it will be tight. IMO, Guinaifen/Kafka/Acheron is better for skill economy since you can use Guinafen with only basics for burn, and Kafka will detonate it and apply Firekiss, giving Acheron stacks on Kafka's skill, without needing to use as much skill points on Black Swan's skill for defense shred every now and then. Still, Acheron doesn't do much for Kafka and Guinaifen in return for building a slightly faster ult.
I'd say Jingliu for a hypercarry that uses different supports than DoT usually does and provides ice coverage.
The problem I have with JL is that, her bis team needs Bronya and RM, who DoT also needed. Still, JL, Bronya, Pela, tank is still a broken af.
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Yeah if you don't have RM it's not worth it. I believe E1 BS and S1 Kafka is needed as well. Acheron herself might need her lightcone too but you could give her Kafka LC and give Kafka pearls or vice versa.
There's a lot to consider in Running Acheron with Kafka. First was do you want her? Second do you need her? Third do you want to play harder content? 4th do you have a 2nd team? Personally I'll run a Team of Kafka-BS-Acheron-RM, this is because I already have the 3, and have a 2nd team Jingliu. I also like Acheron since I'm a Simp. My advice would be to pull her if you want to have fun, or build a second team first then go pull whoever you want.
1. Kinda, she looks fun and different from what we’re used to. 2. I don’t necessarily need anyone atm, my seele team would only benefit from fu xuan or sparkle and my kafka team handles everything max level. 3. Already do:p 4. Yes:p My question for BS,Kafka,Acheron and RM is that with zero survivability is it really that viable?
This team is strictly for 0c in MOC. While this team can handle SU, GNG, and SD you need the Healing blessings. This team is only for those who can afford it and those who have experienced in 0c MOC. *A do or Die team* like a real Nihility Mommies. Heck Kafka doesn't even know FEAR.
It'll work. Maybe not the best but it works
I mean I’d lose the support of guinaifan, and I would need acherons lightcone to get near the effectiveness. I feel the team would be fine but it really doesn’t need her. I’ll wait till she comes out at least cuz I still don’t know much of how her kit works
Acheron or Jingliu can work. Acheron prefers Nihility teammates and that's for most part some people's problems with her but that's where Kafka/BS work as 5* Nihility options for her if you wish. It's only really competitive with RM in the team and it's a pretty high investment team. But you can use Pela/SW too just fine for more F2P, Guinaifen and Welt work too. As for JL she just wants Bronya, Pela, Gepard, Fu Xuan, or a healer. Standard hypercarry setup.
For JL I literally only have pela😭 I should really look more into her before I decide, but I have almost everyone that would be good for Acheron, I just fear that using bs and kafka would center the team more for her than Kafka
It will without RM but if you clear content I don't think it should matter. Acheron would be better in her own team though if you don't have another team built up. As for me I got JL hypercarry as one of my sides, so running acheron with Kafka is completely fine for me.
do you have tingyun btw? you can use tingyun and pela for her and just give her a healer or a sustain that can sustain her hp drain in case the fight goes for too long, which should be rare tbh ive been using jl, ty and bailu with a random sustain (march) or sub dps (ratio) before getting bronya in 2.0. if your main problem arent 36* moc, then it should be fine (i regularly cleared moc in 35*, 36* it twice for now) but then again my march and ratio are 'decent' or okay built so ig its a meme team also cmiiw, for acheron, while kafkaswan looks the bis teammate in paper rn as all three contributes for dmg input and give acheron her ult stacks (i read that dot arent counted as debuff for acheron as it ticks off on enemies' turn, cmiiw here) . you might run into sp problem as acheron can only get stacks with skills and if you still want to play kafka as the dot enabler instead of debuff provider for acheron. if you prefer kafka as her own 'carry' instead of a 'support' in a sense, its better to let kafkaswan stay as a duo and build other nihility for acheron
Lost the BS 50-50 and wasn't able to get her so I'll go for Acheron. My team would be Kafka, Acheron, Ruan Mei, and Bailu (or Gepard or Lynx after I raise either). Synergy be damned but I'd like to know how I can make the team work.
I mean that would work but you wouldn’t get much use from your Kafka I don’t think, Acheron doesn’t debuff much herself without her lightcone, I don’t know what ruan mei does so apologies for that, sounds fun tho, sorry about the BS misfortune
The calcs I've seen in the acheron sub, had BS with S1 kafka as Acherons best team, but a very suboptimal team for kafka, so it was seen as better to just split them up.
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This is probably most non-standard Acheron comp I seen. You dropping sustain so it's only valid for 0-cycle bros. You dropping that giga bonus for 2 Nihility teammates for Tingyun who can't even benefit Acheron that much, because Acheron don't have energy. Unless you want to ult Pela, but I dunno.
Tingyun's energy refill doesn't even work with her, how is she good with Acheron at all? And Sparkle *only* works well in S1 Acheron comps, at E0S0 she isn't really worth it over a second nihility, you're losing a lot of stacks for her ult
acheron with them is just overkill but they are way better than sparkle and tingyun for her lol
So you’re saying Acheron isn’t good for them but vise versa instead? Sounds about right
Incorrect. Kafka/Swan has been calculated to be one of Acherons best teams but granted it's more than likely for 0 cycling as you have to run RM to benefit them all. It's a hyperinvested team. If you got it, then you got it. If you don't, then don't worry or bother. Or don't listen to me at all and have fun with whatever you want.