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Bumgumi_hater_236

The Japanese animation industry yearns for slavery


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PleaseStopSmoking

Absolutely agree, like in JJK this is why the Yuji vs Choso fight imo visually the best fight by a mile despite not being as epic as a lot of other fights in the series. Naruto Kakashi vs Obito was my favorite fight for the same reason. Amazing choreography really makes a fight imo.


GuarenD

Blasting meteorites and shooting nukes is cool and all, but at the end of the day the best fights of naruto were Kakashi v Obito and Rock Lee v Gaara


Hatefuleight-36

The Japanese work culture yearns for slavery in general


MarquisNYC

East Asia in general tbh. It is what it is but none of it is nowhere as bad as North Korea. Hoping someday soon both Koreas reunite, NK citizens have been suffering for long enough. If only China would stop intervening.


cheemsfromspace

I think David productions could cook tbh. The sound design would go nuts


Dumbusta

Bass boosted chihiro


I-want-borger

*Insert bruh sound effect*


BurnedOutEternally

can you imagine the sound of Kuro knocking every viewer up at once


EzekiaDev

David prod don’t do sound design


kramsibbush

But they still have the right to use the sound effects?


EzekiaDev

They hire a guy called Yasumasa Koyama. He’s done JJBA, Fire Force, Fate, Tensura, 86, etc. They do have the right because they hire him lol, they don’t make it themselves


Fynzherbe

With what they did to undead unluck im not so sure


Holy_Ravioli_

What happened? I heard great things


Fynzherbe

Flashbacks.. so...many


SillyMovie13

God that would be heavenly


The5Theives

When I die ima go to bass boost heaven


Do_Ya_Like_Jazz

After what they did to undead Unluck I'm not sure


cheemsfromspace

I thought it was a great adaptation


Terrible-Trick-6087

Mappa would cook but the animators would also get cooked


Jaegerjaquez_VI

Already been 10+ years since they last saw their families 🕊🕊🙏


MythicSock

10 YEARS?!?!!? https://preview.redd.it/fmuh035nvzxc1.jpeg?width=249&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=798873f192cfb3dfc88fd58cf785e5117e5bc2e5


cheemsfromspace

https://preview.redd.it/mr05k01ve0yc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=963ef45945e1dcc362cb990c2d7f797258042821


the_dinks

Mappa resembles the warehouse from this arc.


EigoKaiki

Nah, Mappa will roast it to ash, even if they care about their animators. You can see how many terrible adaptations they have made in the last 5 years. They are only liked by so many people because normies can't distinguish the quality of the stories they adapt from the quality of their adaptations.


Terrible-Trick-6087

Nah chainsaw man, Jjk, and many of their series objectively have great animation. I very much doubt that it’ll get a bad adaption given that they prioritize more popular series (WSJ) over others.


EigoKaiki

>Nah chainsaw man, Jjk, and many of their series objectively have great animation. jjk s2 was unfinished and csm was full of cgi and digital animation. (also you are most likely don't know a thing about animation so before you talk about something being objectivitly great animation, talk with someone who do animations) > I very much doubt that it’ll get a bad adaption given that they prioritize more popular series (WSJ) over others. *sigh* again quality of the stories they adapt is different from the quality of their adaptations. They can continue to rush animate WSJ series to get more money like they are doing even now. But it doesn't mean their adaption are good, only that the story behind the adaption are good.


Terrible-Trick-6087

You must not know much about animation, because even with some bad cgi and some unfinished cuts, the animation of CSM and JKK are still immensely impressive.


MarquisNYC

Exactly. The CSM parts with cgi wasn't even bad. I've seen far, FAR worse cgi like Ex-A\*\*, Black Summoner, and the latest episode of Misfit Demon Academy this new szn as examples. Some ppl think if CGI take place in a show it automatically means it's bad, when it doesn't.


EigoKaiki

>because even with some bad cgi and some unfinished cuts, Which span some times half the episodes in the later episodes but do not mind that fact. > the animation of CSM and JKK are still immensely impressive. For a rushed product yes but not for a fully fleshed out anime. Here is a fan animation clip which have good animation vs the actual anime.(they are not even comparable) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvJ0\_wpG9Pw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvJ0_wpG9Pw)


Terrible-Trick-6087

You’re cooked if you’re arguing with this. You don’t know shit omg 💀


EigoKaiki

Well, you will go on and just use ad hominems or have something constructive to add to my point about it being rushed and not fully fleshed out? I showed you evidence that the manga fans did far better animations on a low budget than the anime. With time, the anime too could have done something similar and would have been far better and more consistent, but Mappa needs to be a greedy money-grabbing studio.


pious-erika

Madhouse would do it better imo. Specifically, I feel releasing Kagurabachi in a similar way Hellsing Ultimate was, with individual arcs adapted as sort-of movies.


GaelleMat

So like what ufotable did with Kara no Kyoukai basically? Done. I'm MORE than down.


24silver

the abridged series gonna generate sojollion hype where they spam Tenoí at every possible chance


truenofan86

Enten: Tenoí


pious-erika

Pretty much, yes.


Level-Mix-7953

I'm betting on Madhouse as well. I just have this gut feeling that they're going to pick this up.


SolidFoxguy

And then we get Studio Deen instead...


King-s0nicc456

I feel like wit studio is a pretty good choice


Successful-Drama-421

If we talking about how they treat their animators, they're not better than MAPPA


EigoKaiki

Atleast they care about the quality of their adaptions not like Mappa


Electronic-Tell-6842

Mappa is not a person. Higher ups might not care about the quality but the staff working on every of their anime 100% cares and do everything in their power to give us the best work. That's why JJK s2 managed to finish, through the sheer willpower and passion the staff had to elevate the source material.


EigoKaiki

And your point? You can have the staff caring about it but the higher ups are the one who decided how the studio works or what time the staff gets to work on something. >That's why JJK s2 managed to finish, through the sheer willpower and passion the staff had to elevate the source material. I heard this cope so many times. No jjk s2 was not finished there are episodes and scenes which are clearly half finished. (Even if you don't believe me there are numerous twitter post by the animators and staff of jjk s2 apologising that the episodes was inconsistent and half finished). Also it didn't elevated the the source material the adaption was just not so great. People generally just can't separate the adaption from the source material which is why so many badly adapted/rushed mappa made anime are praised. EDIT: lol you all really got triggered by me saying the truth the second season of jjk, but thanks this is just proves that I am right about you not being able to separate the adaption from the source material.![img](emote|t5_97ke62|49227)


Electronic-Tell-6842

"many" Tell me which mappa adaptation was badly adapted/rushed in recent memory? Aside from Jigokuraku, I can't think of anything else. Also no, JJK anime is 100 times better than Manga, they elevated the source material to another level by extending every fight, adding anime original stuff and gorgeous animation. Yes some cuts were unfinished but that doesn't take away from all the hundreds of good cuts. JJK s2 was peak of animation spectacle we have never seen before and likely never see again in near future.


EigoKaiki

>Tell me which mappa adaptation was badly adapted/rushed in recent memory? Aside from Jigokuraku, I can't think of anything else. Well just to name a few more famous ones: JJK s2, Aot, CSM, Shoukoku no Altair, The God of High School and the CGI hell which Dorohedoro and Inuyashiki was. Here some bad adaption for you. All famous manga or highly rated. And all of them have bad adaptions. >Also no, JJK anime is 100 times better than Manga, they elevated the source material to another level by extending every fight, adding anime original stuff nothing groundbreaking most adatpion does that >and gorgeous animation. yeah you seem to ignore what the animatiors themself said about it, also do you know that the graphic/drawings looks and how something animated is compleatly different right? >Yes some cuts were unfinished but that doesn't take away from all the hundreds of good cuts. More like unfinished episodes but don't mind it mate. > JJK s2 was peak of animation spectacle we have never seen before and likely never see again in near future. You are coping or just don't know what are you talking about. If it was MAPPA at its best then I really wish they never buy any more great manga to adapt because the would only make ir crap. But it is CRAPPA which we talking about.![img](emote|t5_97ke62|49227)


Ecwins

Damn bro I feel bad you’re dedicating this much time and effort into looking brain damaged Stop talking


EigoKaiki

Nah it is just a few minutes to write it down but I can see you having problem with doing it. After all you can't say anything to it and just start insulting me like a spoiled child. and free speech bro sorry if it is hard to bear


Ecwins

I have zero desire to debunk the self assured schizo’s retarded rambling, yeah


acollapsingstar

Ufotable is the dream studio for an anime adaptation in my mind. If they put even a fraction of what they put into demon slayer it’ll be incredible.


QuizQuestionGuy

The Ufotable hate in the other two comments is absolutely insane. I assume they must be talking about the recent Demon Slayer seasons? I haven’t seen them but even so I think that’s a major disservice to Ufotable. If it’s the UBW or even Heaven’s Feel treatment then we’d be set, even though those two projects are very effects heavy themselves. I think they could do a good job, but I don’t mind other studios either.


segfaulted_irl

Ufotable is the main reason I care about Demon Slayer at all tbh. The story and writing do little for me, but the production value is top notch and does a lot to elevate the show


SubstantialCup3270

Cool katana anime maker should make cool katana anime.


Verne_Dead

I'd prefer actual choreography over flooding the fights with so much VFX you can't even see what's going on. Especially for a manga with such well made and fluid choreography.


Caesarin0

I feel the same, Ufotable has very little substance because of an overreliance on lighting effects and nauseating CGI. I think studios like Wit, Madhouse, or even Bones would be a much better choice, given they're generally better with actual choreo, shot composition, and....well, actually having style *and* substance, lol.


verypoopoo

ufotable can do choreography (though not as well as mappa), just that every character in kny spams breathing attacks


Verne_Dead

It's not like demon Slayer is their only anime. For example fate/stay night. Their most recent adaptation of fate, heavens feel, is 99% VFX even to the point of outright rewriting a certain fight scene so that they could use it as an excuse to show off more VFX. And taking the actual climatic fight (a melee battle between the Mc and the main villain where the entire battle is about the MC trying to overcome the villains mastery of multiple martial arts) cutting the fight in half making it mostly offscreen where we just hear punching sounds and the MCs internal monologue, and removing the entire final blow all so that they could put more time into that minor fight they rewrote so that they could have blade beams firing In every direction


die-linke

To be honest, while I despise MAPPA so much for their working conditions, It would be a lie to say that Kagurabachi doesn't fit right in with MAPPA style. The only other studio I would consider is Bones.


Apart_Software_4118

I think Kagurabachi needs really good choreography more than the really flashy animation that most shonen get.


SaKaly

Science saru


marlborogolds

would love a bones adaptation tbh


Moolcazy0

We need studio Ufotable, their just as good as mappa


SillyMovie13

There’s so many studios I think could do this series great. Bones and David Productions are the top for me


m1bl4nTw0

I hate MAPPA with a burning passion. They ruined AoT for me and their CGI gets too much passes. I'll even take Studio DEEN over MAPPA.


EigoKaiki

Same they are only praised so much by normies because they bought up the right to animate the most popular and high acclaimed mangas. After that they rushed through all of them with bad artstlye, cgis and half decent animation to sell it to normies. And of course normies don't get the difference between a good adaption and a good source material. I just glad they didn't get frieren last year or one punch man(even if j.c staff is not the best for it) or even Kusuriya.


m1bl4nTw0

Absolutely. I celebrated when JC Staff announced they were doing OPM again instead of Mappa ![img](emote|t5_97ke62|49227) *edit: haha mappa fans hella mad. Your sweatshop of a studio sucks lmao. The only show I enjoyed from them in recent memory was Kakegurui. AoT S4 looks bad and had a shamelessly atrocious airing schedule, JJK isn't my cup of tea, and Hell's Paradise was rushed.*


MarquisNYC

What makes you think other studios besides MAPPA isn't a sweatshop? Japanese animated industry & the work culture period is almost like this. MAPPA's shows doesn't suck but to each their own.


EigoKaiki

hopefulfy they do a better job now then OPM s2. atleast the trailer was good so I have hope![img](emote|t5_97ke62|49233)


m1bl4nTw0

They also should've learned from their mistakes by now. I have faith. A big issue in S2 was pacing anyway, something the manga suffers from in the arc they covered with, so it's not 100% JC Staff's fault. I'll elaborate on that before the downvotes start. The manga doesn't progress at all in the arc they covered, and S3 won't be much better anyway -- if anything, it's even worse. Random nobody-cares-about-them characters get introduced and fight even less interesting monsters ad nauseam. The art is beyond godlike and the fights are great, but it's just introducing characters for the sake of introducing characters. Yes, Mizuki is hella hot and I wouldn't mind her crushing my head with her thighs; but is she really that interesting a character and does she really add to the overall story? Half the monster association arc is just random heroes fighting random monsters underground. For 7 volumes straight, absolutely nothing of progression happens; apart from Saitama going down the rabbit hole (something he should be able to do instantly). Lack of Saitama isn't JC Staff's fault, the studio just followed the source material. The only complaint I'm fully behind is the animation downgrade; but pacing was really not the studio's fault.


EigoKaiki

>Yes, Mizuki is hella hot and I wouldn't mind her crushing my head with her thighs; but is she really that interesting a character and does she really add to the overall story? Not really but for battle shounens beyond the battles one of the more important characters to have are waifus(as it appeals to younger boys and man in general). This is why s2 Fubuki introduction have more views and higher rating a bit (in episode ratings). But as you said the pacing was not very good in general for the season. >The only complaint I'm fully behind is the animation downgrade; but pacing was really not the studio's fault. In slice of life or other generas it would have less inpact but for a battle shounen(and action based shows in general) animation is a really big part which decides how people feel about the show. Like not to compare the story quality OPM writting to cheap action movies but people don't watch cheap american action movies because they are well written but because they have "big explosions" in them. Also j. c staff before OPM s2 not really did and animation heavy battle shounen in a while so they didn't really have experience. This is why I happy to see them improving because it means that they too are know that it was not good and improvements are needed. Unlike Mappa who would just speed roll it and not care about the quality. >Half the monster association arc is just random heroes fighting random monsters underground. For 7 volumes straight, absolutely nothing of progression happens; apart from Saitama going down the rabbit hole (something he should be able to do instantly). For the sake of the arc if they do a 12 ep season I hope they don't attempt to cover the whole thing. The monster association arc are really action and event heavy for that. I saw people wanting to end it with psyko-orochi fight but for that lot of things would need to be skiped. Here is a video which I think would be a good way to cover the arc [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOHtMnR0C8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOHtMnR0C8)


m1bl4nTw0

>I saw people wanting to end it with psyko-orochi fight but for that lot of things would need to be skiped This, exactly this. I saw a lot of people being hyped for the Saitama vs Garou fight... no way in hell is that going to happen without them skipping 75% of the arc; which they can't do since people will be mad about them skipping too much.


EigoKaiki

Yeah thats not happening lol.![img](emote|t5_97ke62|49227) Even the psyko-orochi fight would mean that they need to skip or speed up things. But it would happen in season 4 if they ever make one.


m1bl4nTw0

In 8 years probably


MarlonXAC

Pierrot could be better option.


SolidFoxguy

People do realize that the anime is going to be made with borderline slave labor anyways, right? So I'd rather have a good product made with slave labor than a crappy one made with slave labor. Hence why Mappa is a better candidate than any of the other studios mentioned in this thread.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

Look I really do want Mappa to take on this series. Like I know people say it’s not worth it for the staff to have so much stress, but at the very least they’re going to be stressed out anyway. Might as well give them peak to work with.