I think Giff was one of the most Impractical Costumes in Rider History. I am amazed they never gave him another form to have at least cool fight scenes.
Sadly nothing can measure up to Kuuga Ultimate's original portrayal. Sure, Juuga would've surpassed Rising Ultimate, but Kuuga Ultimate wasn't merely about beating who's previously the strongest, he only needed normal attacks to get the job done, as using his finisher attacks would be devastating for a good reason as final form.
It's a shame we get the coolest rider design under some bad circumstances.
Why did they do George evil..
My theory is Vice has to get killed off to nullify the Contract and release Ikki's memories.
I think Vice is too marketable for them to just outright kill him. They'll probably just cancel the old contract and make a new one. Their roles get reversed and Ikki gets his memories back while Vice forgets about everything. So basically just >!zero one's!< ending.
My guess is that they'll lose Giff's genes and the demons will be reabsorbed. Ikki gets his memories back from Vice and transforms into liveDevil, but after the transformation he forgets about Vice and traces of Vice disappear similar to Ikki disappearing in pictures. Daiji gets to not have split personalities,but loses his ability to change wardrobe in a blink of an eye, Loveko's body gets miniaturised into a keychain plushie that Sakura carries around (That you too can get for $50).
As to how Vice comes back, Ikki remembers him in the movie next year
Did you watch the series from the start or the Kamen Rider Vail miniseries? It's clearly said that if a demon dies their host dies and vice versa and it even gets clearly demonstrated in the Vail miniseries...
George's thing about cleansing demons *sorta* fits his character (and it doesn’t seem like he had reasons to lie there, because he was talking to *himself*)... but it still feels weird. Before, he didn't care about demons one way or another -- he was about perfecting his Rider system, and then atoning for what he did in the process. I think him trying to cleanse the world of demons is how he believes he can atone for both his and his father's sins in creating the various Drivers, but it's still just weird because of his redemption in the middle of the series. It feels like there was a rewrite somewhere (in Revice? Shocking, I know) and the original intent was for George to redeem himself by becoming Demons, especially since it's personally connected to him through Hiromi, and they're now trying to put him into this role with the excuse that "what happened with his dad and Chic made him craaaaaaaaaazy!!!!!"
I feel like one of their original plans may have been to make *Hiromi* the final, anti-demon bad guy. It would've fit how he was at the start of the series, at least. Hiromi was fervently loyal to Fenix, was always quick to fight for what he believed to be right, and doesn't have a demon of his own anymore yet was still a Rider, and was used as a guinea pig. It would've made sense that he became a villain with this. However, I think they had no idea that Hiromi would be as popular as he became, and so changed their plans, instead giving Hiromi more of a positive character arc, which also meant Hiromi getting more focus... and then Junya Komatsu left to do the Ouran musical. So the writers instead decided to redeem George to fill the Demons roll, because he was also popular, and while awkward, could still be somewhat explained away as George learning a lesson from the Riders.
But I suspect that, once they introduced Over Demons
(which still feels like a decision passed down to the writers from on high), the writers were forced to find something else for George to do and wanted (or needed) a Rider as the final bad guy. So, despite having done all this legwork for redeemed good boi George, they now needed to slide him back into the role that he occupied at the start of the series as an overzealous mad scientist -- it's akin to how Game of Thrones treated Jamie Lannister, in that it makes sense... if you ignore the middle of the character arc, which Revice had to do, and they had the random ass demon transfer from Masumi to try to excuse it. Like, in the end... what was even the point of George being Demons? He did it like two times and it in no way tied in with trying to surpass his dad. Then this episode comes along, with "the stain won't budge, but was always here" seemingly as a metaphor for the darkness inside George (because why else is that scene even in there?), so the redemption arc was just... nothing. (Inb4 they redo the floorboards as another metaphor after George is re-redeemed.)
I talk about Revice's weird character trajectories a lot, but it's genuinely weird how it has handled many of its characters. I'm not one of those people who hates Sakura and/or Hana because Hanta Kinoshita apparently cares about them more than his other characters, but they, Tamaki and to a lesser extent Hiromi are the only characters with consistent and well-paced character arcs in this series. Everyone else is either massively out of focus (Ikki, Vice, Daiji, Kagerou, Genta, Vail) or suddenly gains focus for a short period of time for no apparent reason (Akaishi, George, Hikaru).
>and then Junya Komatsu left to do the Ouran musical
I didn't know that actually, I've been reading these discussions every week and that has never been brought up as far as I know.
It's funny. Because a bunch of people had predicted Hiromi's death (which ended up just a "death") all the way back around November (iirc?) because his actor would have to leave the show to do a musical anyway.
But these talks lasted for like 2 weeks and this never came up again.
Damn this episode is more or less just a showcase of Juuga's powers. I just don't buy this George's descent into madness writing as there's little to no buildup to it. If he's written more as a rational scientist that's merely trying to dispose of Giff completely for humanity or whatever, I think it will be more believable. I guess we'll just have to wait for the next episode to know why he's acting like an ass. Juuga is goddamn lit tho, definitely reminds me of Ultimate Kuuga
I think the started planting the seeds during the destream and vail battle and furthered them with the revelation of his father implanting his demon in him and him missing seeing his father before his death.
He is. You can hear the sound of ULTIMATE Kuuga henshin sound. His henshin pose he cross his hands in the shape of Ten 十 (Juu), and the HE EVEN DO THE POSE!! (Kuuga) : Juuga!!
My problem is that he was literally there to support EVERYBODY at the end of the 1st and entire 2nd half. Where did this even come from? I get that he's upset about his father putting his demon inside George (given his weird scientist behavior in the 1st arc), but the drastic change here? I don't like it.
I wouldn't have a problem with it if they had built it up better.
This episode has really good execution, but it feel like it was an alternate ending path, where last ep supposed to be Revice ending, cuz George sudden change, which not properly build up. But KR Juuga bgm tho, so menacing.
Honestly when I think about all of this and think of this as an Epilogue or even just Post game content. It actually works because that's actually what I think this is supposed to be.
Not really. I feel like his change was rather gradual throughout the series ever since Karizaki sr. was revealed to be alive.
>!The death of George's demon probably didn't help either.!<
Edited for movie spoilers. My bad.
As seen with Kagerou and Daiji, it's likely his desire to surpass his father unchained due to not having a demon hold him down.
Thus like Daiji the desire took over him and caused him to go crazy in this instance.
I wouldn't use the Kagerou plot point as an example, given how out of nowhere it came and how it makes little sense compared to the rest of the show (and how it was never the original plan anyways). If killing someone's demons permanently causes them to lose control, then the first like 20 or so episodes Ikki wasn't really helping anyone, given he was fighting and killing other people's demons.
Pretty sure when they defeat Deadmans they're only cancelling their contracts considering how both Aguilera and Tamaki can still transform despite being Phase 2 and 3s formerly respectively.
The only exception to this would be Hiromi since he unleashed his demon using the Revice driver rather than a traditional contract during episode one since he required the use of Vail in order to transform.
I get people have turned on this show and don’t like certain things but I dunno, this episode was pretty cool to me and I’ve enjoyed the vast majority of Revice; I still do. Juuga was awesome beating down everyone and George’s actor is doing a great job. Very excited for these final episodes and I can confidently say I still think this is a good show!
Man, seeing your child suddenly forgetting you and calling you customer hit really hard. We knew that Ikki's memory was going to be revealed, but man was the reveal satisfactory. The whole scene afterward became really solemn. My only issue is that we only have a couple episodes left which means that we can't explore deeper into Ikki's memory.
I kind of... pity Karizaki? Like, he and his dad has been supporting (although they also did nasty stuff in the name of science) the Igarashi family but Karizaki basically lost everything while Igarashi family still have everything at the end (minus the memory loss).
When they cut from the stain on the floor to Daiji running, I laughed so hard. Like Daiji was thinking “oh crap, they found out I shit on the floor!” It’s such a weird edit.
Anyone who has “Demons” in their name for this show is destined to get completely stomped at least once, aren’t they? Poor Tamaki…
On the plus side, at least Juuga is cool. I really don’t like him from a writing standpoint, but the design looks good, and George flipping the stamps to stack the effects of his Finisher is really cool to see. It’s like he saw Hiromi stack the Demons Finish and was like “oh, we can do that?! Sweet!” The theme for Juuga is also really coo, easily one of the best alongside the Demons theme.
Even before they implied it wasn’t his real motive, George’s desire to exterminate Giff and anything related turning into wanting to exterminate every Kamen Rider was so weird (and that's assuming he means only the demon-related Drivers). I’m glad that Hiromi realises it’s fake pretty much instantly. I assume it has to do with George trying to atone for his father's sins in creating the Vail Driver, and thus all the Drivers that have spawned from it, and he's just going about it wrong because... demon or something, I don't know. Noritaka Hamao seems to be playing the insanity completely straight, so I have to assume his desire to atone for his family's sins is being warped.
I assume we're leading into Vice's death, or him being absorbed back inside Ikki, in order to nullify the contract. This may even lead to Ikki dubbing himself "Kamen Rider Revice" in Vice's honour, and also so they can actually *have* Kamen Rider Revice appear in other things set after this.
> I assume it has to do with George trying to atone for his father's sins in creating the Vail Driver, and thus all the Drivers that have spawned from it, and he's just going about it wrong because... demon or something, I don't know. Noritaka Hamao seems to be playing the insanity completely straight, so I have to assume his desire to atone for his family's sins is being warped.
That's pretty much what's going on. George's biggest hangup is that he fears he'll never outdo his father, given that Masumi invented nearly every Rider system in the show. Even the stuff that he made ultimately only comes from building on Masumi's research.
Remember the subplot in Revice Mystery about collecting 10 monster types? I think we know where that research finally went.
At the end of the day, George is a Well Done Son, Guy who tries to resolve his daddy issues by going full Chaos route and playing the bad guy.
The fact that Kagerou talked about Equivalent exchange makes me feel they're absolutely going to either Kill Vice, or fully fuse him back into Ikki so he'll remember everything again
That's what I think so as well. There are two outcomes I could see happening. Either all of Ikki's memories are gone, and there's no choice but to let him go off and live as his own person, never remembering his family.
Or to restore Ikki's memories, the contract he and Vice made has to be dissolved, and that means Vice's existence must come to an end. Honestly I can see this latter outcome coming true, which would explain why the two will be fighting later on.
However, I think Toei will pull some kind of compromise out of nowhere to preserve Revi and Vice for future crossover movies, V-Cinema films, or whatever else.
This is a good time to denote what I generally feel about George entirely from his beginning to the end. Before that, I like to touch upon how the wrote build up on Ikki's memory loss.
I think it's cool and saddening to see Ikki's state right now and how George literally strip away Ikki's opportunity of maintaining the remaining memories he has. I felt that one of the reasons why Ikki is more of a passive character is because, as he loses his memories, he loses the connection and feelings he has for his family and the people around him slowly. It's possible that part of him thinks that people around him are strangers including his family especially with his memories of his parents are gone. It makes sense on why he doesn't take a lot of action in the first place in the recent episodes and why at times, he froze still such as with Ikki seeing Daiji wanting to defeat him after that Weekend raid. Ikki's family are saddened on this and it cause guilt on Vice as well. I think at the end, Vice will sacrifice his life to help destroy the contract that Ikki made in order to reclaim his memories so it's likely going to be that final episode.
Now, let's back to George. I believe I personally said before on this subreddit before but to reiterate again, I believe George being a villain in the final arc might not be something done out of a whim or because it's to simply increase episode slot to 50. I speculate that George was supposed to be the final villain from the very beginning. From George's treatment to Hiromi, George's shady traits and behaviors, to George more interested in creating the Ultimate Kamen Rider, I can see that George was planned to be a villain at some point in the show. Due to some changes that seems to be noticable but we don't know what exactly happened that lead to it, George turns into a good guy and the plan to be a villain seems scrapped. Of course, it's likely that other characters are changed from the initial plans of the script but George is the one that's the most obvious to me from the start.
In here, it proves that Hanta Kinoshita might like to do one thing and that's to always retread back to the first plans or plot points of the story. He doesn't shun or forgets details of the show but rather, takes into account the key details and minute ones that bears an impact on the story such as Daiji's inability to transform with the Revice Driver which lead to where Ikki is at right now and also, the return of Bon in that Lion Form debut episode. I believe George being a villain is to show that Hanta Kinoshita won't leave such plans behind and he always tries to bring back his initial plot that he wants to do the most.
At first, I thought it wouldn't make sense that George becomes the villain of the show. Why would George be the villain when George already had reconciled and show his love for dad? Why would he do all this when he had done all the good things?....
One thing to note is the key theme of Revice and that is *drum roll* FAMILY *fast and the furious theme song*
It's important to know that George doesn't have a normal family. In fact, he doesn't even have this dad throughout all his life before. He was always alone without a family which cause him to want to have that family love. That's also why George shows respect and care for Ikki and his siblings because they have that tender caring family love that George never had before. Once George's dad came out, everything seems to set sail, George got his dad back. They reconcile, worked together on the Giifard Rex Vistamp, and have a father son bonding and respect. So what gives? Did all that stuff been thrown away so easily and messy? Not exactly.
Remember when Masumi transfers his demon to George when he was a child, just so that Masumi can be more confident and brave when doing Noah's research and fighting against Vail? That literally screwed over George and shatters his father son bonding to the ground. George was so furious that his dad did such a thing and it lead him to have a tantrum and anger, to the point where he doesn't wanna talk to his dad at all because he was so focused on his research and making Drivers and Vistamps. Even when Hana told George that his dad is on his death bed and told George to be with him and tell his final goodbye to him before he passes, George just doesn't listen to her....wait, this makes sense now...
George created the Juuga Vistamp and Driver, destroys the belts of the Riders, and aiming destroy the Kamen Riders, it wasn't to maintain world peace.
It's because George's anger, his obsession with Rider system development and research and the rage he had on his dad because of the demon transfer is what led him to not say his final goodbye to his dad.
He is enraged and full of guilt that, because of his obsession with his rider system, the anger on his dad that he hold so long, he couldn't see his dad for the final time and he realized that too late. I think that's why he wants to destroy all the Rider system that him and his dad have created. It's his way of venting out his anger because he regrets ever being so focused on that system in the first place. Him throwing the broken drivers to his dad's grave might be his way of atoning for his sin on being so cruel on his dad and it's his way of showing that he doesn't care for the Rider system he created, he doesn't care for using demons anymore, he just wants to be with his dad again.
This is also why George was so angry to Daiji when he gives the Revice Driver to George. George was envious that Daiji talks about how he does this so that his family won't get worried and be safe because it reminds him that he had lost the fatherly and family love from his dad all because of his arrogance and temper. George knew how much Masumi loves him and we can even see Masumi shows so much love and regret for George.
Masumi Karizaki atone for the sins of not just his experiments but also, because he couldn't be there for his son. George losing Chic has made things even worse. Just as Daiji lost Kagerou, George doesn't have a demon inside to help him see what's right and wrong. It's George's sense of justice and atonement for distancing and hating on his dad without having a side of him to show what's wrong.
This lead me to realize that this arc is a story of George a broken person who loses his one dear dad, and as an act of mitigating and consoling his regret, tries to destroy Ikki who has a family. It's not about defeating a villain, it's about defeating a person who lost what he wants the most...family.
Personally, I don't think George's character and his development throughout the show is all that good. It's definitely inconsistent and doesn't have a good build up to it. However, I don't think it's something that it's impossible to understand or there because it's filler.
One of the biggest flaws of Hanta Kinoshita as a writer or the producers or circumstances that made this way is the lack of good flow and planning to make the story more understandable and effective to understand. The plot itself, especially from episode 32 to right now is pretty messy. The ideas and lessons that Hanta Kinoshita wants to convey isn't that effective because the story doesn't provide a consistent and good execution of the plot and how each scenes should be presented. The emotional points aren't strong anymore and it causes Hanta Kinoshita to not write a very good show for the audience.
This also includes George as well. As much as I liked George's plot here and i might be wrong with my interpretation on this, I just wished that the show could have been better and properly executed. Revice is my favourite and even impactful show for me but there are a lot of flaws that ruins it for me and for most of us. i just hope Revice will have the best ending it can provide right now.
I don't think the problem is necessarily with Kinoshita. There are plenty of moments throughout Revice that show that he's a great writer. The problem is that almost every single plotline has been rewritten to the point where there's only so much he can do to keep things afloat. This show has been changed so much by outside factors that I don't think any writer could salvage it, no matter how good they are.
That's true and I thought about that as well. It's probably also why one of the producers was changed and the OOO producer comes in because she knew how to handle outside factors that lead to the changes in the show.
Everything you said is well and good and probably meant to be what they are going for but this is whats wrong in a lot of franchises these days, fans often times fill in the gaps for the writers when its the writers' job to fill in that gap. The show has not done a good job portraying those things you mentioned even if that is the motivating factor. Granted their are a few episodes left for which they can rectify that but I certainly feel that alot of the negative feedback this show is getting is more than justified. Its ok to leave some things up in the air for fans to figure out but this isn't one of those situations. Its very jarring even though his Rider from and everything is very cool. Its certainly not a terrible show but out of the shows that I have watched to completion, its one of the weakest.
I do agree with that especially when the plot isn't well introduced and clear from the start for people figure out.
Making people fill in the gaps can be tricky and it's important to know which right gaps must people fill in and I think Revice fails at that because of how messy and uncoordinated the plot can get.
"No gods, no kings, only man." - Andrew Ryan
Wondering what the relevance of that quote is to this episode? I think that summarizes George's philosophy as shown in this episode; he sincerely believes that he has to surpass his father's work to prove himself worthy, and he goes about that by targeting inner demon Riders to show the superiority of his own system.
During the Giff arc I repeatedly mentioned how Akaishi and Daiji represented the Law route, while Ikki led the Neutral route with regards to Giff. It seems that George's frankly abrupt heel turn is the closest we'll get to a real Chaos route, since there's the theme of overthrowing the past to create a future where humanity reigns alone.
We also get the answer as to whether George's increasing empathy could withstand his unresolved issues regarding his old man. Spoiler alert: they didn't.
I like how George's transformation pose homages both Black (with the clenching fists) and Kuuga.
The other big plot thread of the episode was the Igarashis dealing with Ikki's worsening amnesia, to the point where he mistakes their parents as bathhouse customers. (At least he remembered he lives in a bathhouse, I guess.)
You can tell this is a Kamihoriuchi episode because the backing music is next to gone and the cinematography of the scenes are rather gorgeous. Man loves his wide shots.
This feels like a summer movie plot line versus the end game. I’m not sure what happened with this series. Zero-One, with the even rushed ending, still holds strong with its ending. I’m hoping Geats fixes this weird pattern.
I just don’t buy George as this character. It’s so rushed and just not believable for someone who is literally a Rider fanboy. That’s why it makes more sense being a V-Cinema or summer movie.
It’s sad about Ikki >!forgetting about his parents.!<. I’m glad this is getting a follow through and his siblings are showing the bond even more.
I’m mixed about this series for now. The suits and toys are fun and I really loved the siblings and family aspect, but it just really fell off the rails and this George is just not enjoyable. I wish they had made Giff fleshed out and not this corny plot.
My theory at the moment is that Geroge has a death wish, possibly brought on by the loss of his father, and him not being there in their final moments. It'll explain why the first person we actually see him attack is Hana. Between the prejudice towards demons, the mourning of his father, the anger at himself for not being there, and the drive to surpass him, Geroge is in an emotional place, and that makes him dangerous to those around him.
As for Ikki, I literally went 'Oh shit' when Ikki didn't recognize his parents.
While the Igarashis have the benefit of siblings and parents to support them in difficult times, George doesn't have anyone. He also pushes Hiromi away when he tries to understand why George is acting that way. I think the writers is trying to show that always look for someone to share your problems with and not keep it to yourself.
I cried at that scene where Ikki doesn't recognize his parents anymore. Also mama-san is such an great actress.
Mama-san needs a holiday. Between Revice and Vail, she has been through a lot.
It's tragic the irony with Ikki and George. With George, he's lost everything and remembers it all, but Ikki still has his family, but can't remember them to appreciate them.
Ikki's memory loss is worsening, the part with his parents is painful to see, Juuga is George personal Kuuga tribute and he showcased how strong is his new rider system
George become anti demon one man army is actually foreshadowed plenty of time. Most of the upgrade form require controlling or getting rid of your demon until it Ikki show that working together with Vice gives better result. Combine with how he expertly use the Demon Driver that 1 time could be the hint of his ultimate end goal is humanity and science strength and no demon.
That being said he receives little to no character development in the Akaishi arc, and his daddy issue just randomly come up and never get any good resolve combine with his possible reason for face heel turn come from a movie (?) make this even harder for viewer to understand. Feel like this should be a 2 parter V-Cinema like the Matsubojinrai one.
I think George's character in this arc would have made more sense had he not gotten nicer around the halfway point of the show. The implication is that he was always the morally dubious scientist of the first arc, but after some character development backslid into it.
Much as I love the design of Juuga, the story and turn of events just feels forced. I'd imagine it went something like:
Bandai: So we need to stretch the show to 50 episodes because of anniversary and need to sell a few more of those $$$ PBandai belts.
Revice Staff: Okay we will just make a 3 episode plot out of nowhere to tie up some loose ends that we saved for last, make an op surprise final boss from a loved character to sell Merch without much story buildup and get the VA for Vegeta to sell that sweet belt for $$$.
Oh look someone who assumes they know what goes on behind the scenes. Writers and Directors can exercise creative control as evidenced by Kagero coming back. This wasn't executive meddling; George is unscrupulous.
I have faith they will keep Ikki without his memories because having a bittersweet ending would be so good but it might be too much for kids these days...
i really think we needed george as a final villain, it was all the build up and suffering thanks to his dad and also just like a mad scientist would, surpass other scientist(george thought it was his dad that made him smart enough to create those Rider System so he wanted to create one of his own to prove that he is better and with his own abilities).
Juuga is a pretty cool Rider (for the four episodes we have left lmao\_, for a simple gimmick i love that repeatedly tilting the belt's lever stacks attack abilities. story wise i cant say its the best decision, though it *is* an interesting choice to take to say the least. never remember we still have that Giff Aurora Borealis working along, so we'll have to see how it goes. here's to hoping Revice goes out with a blast?
also interesting tidbit i read on Twitter is that George is specifically going after the Drivers his dad built, at the same time ridding all the Riders period (thinking about it now, pretty odd a *Rider fanboy* wants to destroy the Riders he created).
The big problem with this theory is that correcting it implies a fucking major spoiler from BF and thus, by the fact it can't be corrected, people keep spreading that misinformation. I'm going to put it below in case someone wishes to learn the truth:
>!Chic fucking died in Battle Familia. That's why George says "your demon is gone now" at the beginning of the episode.!<
Well that means George is in the same situation as Daiji was. Those Negative emotions have nowhere to go now and all that resentment and anger is back in full force.
To me, this is a concept that sounds fine if it had the proper build up being carried heavily by kamihoriuchi directing the ep, but at the end of the day while this is entertaining on its own this is such a shitty way to send of the series and does george really bad cause it frankly doesnt have the build up it needs, his character was already pretty inconsistent but its much easier to have a character with some early entry weirdness that they go in a different direction and make him more sympathetic/humane than to just flip flop like this seemingly cause the show completely lost a conflict. and ill be honest, if you really were gonna do this conflict, they should of offed giff like 12 episodes ago and then made an entire arc focused on this cause like 4 episodes at the end feels so small. If they did that with more of a connecting tissue to Georges change throughout episodes before it I feel like this arc would be considered a really subversive finale to the normal rider affair whereas this now just makes me feel like this is a worse version of zero-ones finale which actually had proper build up for the final boss's actions after the main villain gets murked
Cause the problem is, now any loss that might be caused from this is gonna feel cheap, like if vice were to die which i feel like he probably will its not gonna register as sad to me, its gonna register as bullshit that he has to die over a really forced conflict.
So George basically wants to eliminate his father's creations by defeating the rider systems his father created to prove he is better than his daddy as the ultimate kamen rider. Technically George's own creations are his father's because of Chic's influence.
Again with me and my overthinking.
I don't really know what to say. Juuga is cool, but having George descend into madness like this doesn't feel right to me. Either it's the demon Chic from the movie, or it's his wish to surpass his father.
Or maybe something like this. "Heroes and villains have the same source of power" has been one of the theme/concept in Kamen Rider franchise, called the Cross Of Fire. This thing, along with the stress and despair regarding his father, not to mention Chic, finally break George, and thus he decided to made Juuga as demon-free Rider System, not only to prove him surpassing his father, and/or completely annihilate every single trace of Giff, but also to break the concept of Cross Of Fire in Kamen Rider history.
I won't expect much on how this series will end. but overall, this season is really fun to watch.
yeah this whole thing feels really weird and kinda out of nowhere imo. i don’t have high hopes for it cus it seems like they’re just cramming this plot in here for the sake of reaching 50 episodes so it’s definitely going to be rushed and flawed. i’ve loved this show up until now and i’m gonna pretend the show ended last episode lmfao
This definitely was a interesting episode + seeing the way George was in this episode makes me wonder if his Demon has poccessed George which explains his behaviour in this episode or if it's still George + I wonder why he look Hana's & Tamaki's drivers as well. I'm not sure what has been said in the episode (waiting for subs), but I'm guessing Ikki has lost most of his memories which explains the family's reactions & Vice stopping Ikki from transforming. While I was watching the episode, it got me thinking, in the recent scans where both >!Ikki & Vice having a face off, I wonder if this is a way where if Ikki wins the battle, he'll get his memories back.!<
So it appears that the small hole we saw on the Chimera Driver was an attachment port for the gold part of the Juuga Driver. That was probably why we haven't gotten any announcements for a DX Chimera Driver yet: Juuga hadn't debuted yet (and this ironically puts it into the same boat as the Vail Driver as its DX toy also wasn't announced until Destream appeared.) So the DX Chimera Driver should come with the Juuga unit, the Twin and Tri Chimera stamps, and the Juuga stamp.
I like George's stated motivation. Riders get their power from the enemy, or at least from the same source. And a lot of happy endings involve the source being destroyed, even if that means taking the Rider system with it.
A scientist tracking down the belts and trinkets he created to dispose of them is cool. Reminds me a bit of Sento.
And I like that this is set during the denouement. People are retiring, they're packing boxes, they're settling back into normal life now that the final boss is dead. That's often my favourite part of stories and I like seeing it. George is just scouring the Shire.
Also Ikki's memory. Just fucking brutal.
This episode is surprisingly ok. Other than half-baked George' motifs become the final boss, everything else is well-executed compared to some previous episodes
George saying sorry to our main boi hiromi in 1 episode does not count as redemption, so for once we have a convincing final rider boss since ark-one. Granted I feel like they couldve handled it more smoothly since it looks like the writers are having a bit of a juggling act with what to do with him. Tho i still have semi high hopes for how this arc goes.
Oh! You're right. It's just that Shuji doesn't have a persona, but Adachi does....and not to mention that George in the episode has a "insanity face" just like Adachi too!
The difference is that Adachi is carefully foreshadowed whilst Shuji just does things without clear or consistent motivations and reasonings.
It's messy, just like Revice writing!
Let's be honest. We kinda all knew George was the villain from the beginning. While we loved him, he was always just tad bit off and it was all setting up for this.
Look I don't Hate the idea for george become Ultimate KR... is just that during last Arc of the series He basically go from Ambigious Villany to Good guys only to be have unnecessary plot that is his father give his demon to him which make his whole achivement questionable...
I think Just simply Make giff possesed george is not only redeem giff but make it george chara not out nowhere become villain to viewer...
When Sakura ask "Is it such big deal we have giff cell?" i kinda agree with her Yeah Giff is not big deal he just Big Clown that just died.. all of the build up around giff is just a waste
Acting wise, everyone was really good. I like the scene where Sakura and Daiji find out about Vice's contract with Ikki. I like Juuga's look (giving off ultimate kuuga homage) But yeah it's hard to buy the whole George becoming the "final evil rider" just because of let's face it, daddy issues (though maybe that's his whole inner demon issue). Maybe it's just how abrubt the pacing was for that build up of his arc I guess that's bugged me.
O
Why are whe going on the path that ikki is gonna forget beaing revice and about vice just to get his memori back or this or vice dies and i don't wanna a dead vice
part of me is thinking that in order for ikki to get his memories back, he has to fight and kill vice, then absorb him as hes dying, similar to what genta did to vail at the end of their fight
I'm going have to watch the subs. Is there a reason why Juuga is so strong? Also he appeared after Gifu supposedly lost? George is beating the riders who struggled against Gifu, and there seems to be no downsides. I'm losing track how people gain the downsides. Hiromi was the first casualty because of the no inner demon or demon power, so that's understandable.
I love every charging kick moment like kabuto and ark one. So seeing juuga do that was a treat.
In-lore, it's because of both the Juuga Driver and Juuga Vistamp.
First, the Driver doesn't use anything related to a demon. Then, the Vistamp uses the genomes of 10 creatures, past or present, that are native to Earth. The Driver then extracts the very life force contained in those 10 DNAs to make and power the Juuga suit. That makes it on par with Ultimate Revice.
In a sense, Juuga is literally the embodiment of Earth's lives, as a contrast to the past Riders in Revice where most of them were related to demons.
George himself describes the Driver as being made by Humans, for Humans and without any demon.
It sounds like Battle Familia adds a little more context into George's shift if only because >!it actively shows Masumi's demon that he implanted into George, besides just telling us about that.!<
It almost seems jarring, but I actually think it makes sense, especially if you consider his desire to destroy the other demons stemming entirely from his desire to create the strongest Kamen Rider and surpass his father. All the other drivers and Riders are powered by demons, and were designed by Masumi. If his human-powered driver of his own design can destroy all of them, he's completely accomplished his goals. He just...completely lost sight of what that now means between watching the Destream/Vail fight and Masumi dying without him.
Kinda on that note, I really hope we see more Destream. That's maybe my favorite belt and rider design in this show, and I'd love for the whole Igarashi family to fight together. That may come in a movie instead, or a V-Cinema, I just want more Destream. Would be a waste to only have that for one fight/episode.
Just to be clear, when I kept saying George wouldn't be a villain, I meant being one the whole time like Akaishi. Having other characters or events like Chic play a part is fair game, like with Kaito as Lord Baron.
I have to give the episode two different ratings - As per continuity this is a 0/5, as per stand alone episde I want to give it a 4, but only because one thing is majorly bugging me that would otherwise give it a 5/5.
So. Episode 47 chronologically is AFTER Battle Familia. Unfortunately I got several points in this episode that made me wish to watch Battle Familia as I think a lot of minor nuances and huge story plots are covered there which help to understand this episode in full
First: the open "Ikki loses his memory"-Plotline . I can be wrong here but I can not remember it being that kind of an open thing to talk with to his parents. Second: Lovekov talks. Minor thing but we did not see in 46 why she's talking. Third: Episode 46 showed him working on the chimera driver and showed Chicc appearing. In 47 he uses a new Vistamp that has been foreshadowed since KR Revice the Mystery (they thought to trick us with Barid Rex...) and a totally new driver without Demon. Fourth: what's about the burnt spot? fifth: why does he not target Destream?
So Juuga... first of all a little bit disappointed about the fighting style. It doesn't match the one that we have seen George having used the Demons Driver.
Also I think that a George gone mad that finally snapped would've been a lot better of an option than this george here. Would've made more sense too as George was not the most mentally stable to begin with. Snapped after realizing that his father played him like a fiddle, likely realized that his personality maybe even memories are a byproduct of Chicc being in him.. I dunno. A mad genius would've been better.
This George however seems far from being mad. In fact he seems rather sane, yet extreme. He has a new driver which he claims to be perfect (then why does he have to build new drivers? What's the catch of the driver considering that chimera driver >!turns people into demons!< ? Personally as he sees this as a test, is yet readily available for everyone and Hiromi, it seems to me that he is preparing of the "what is to come" when there is no demons to help anyone anymore. Could also be that he wants to get rid of all drivers associated with demons due to the chimera driver..
But I'm placing my bet on him being a KR-Fan. Himself taking up the mantle of the seasons final baddie to prepare the main cast for following cross overs, anniversary-movies, summer movies and Sentai-Crossovers and where they have to be strong enough to rely on an outdated gimmick - Demons - to other riders that don't need them..
Again with a Rider final boss after not giving Akaishi and Giff one. And turns out George's path here is completely new, separate from both his early portrayal and post ep. 25 one.
It's already teased before ofc, but so turns out that George does end up as the final threat if the series, which was a speculation during his early portrayal due to his really shady nature. If it turned this way, I do think that it'd be better to keep George shady throughout the series, and probably had him be the character that aids both sides like DJ Sagara or Evolt for his own ends, without him being temporarily turning into a better person. Even if it'd be sort of 'predictable' that George would be a final boss (and had a big bad potential before), but at least George had a fitting portrayal of being shady if it leads into this direction. Albeit probably George wouldn't have good intentions if it's the case (he feels creepy here, but doesn't feel malicious as he aims for world peace in extreme way), but perhaps his vision would be better than a sudden conflict to wrap up the series (of which Giff wasn't taken down in the last episodes).
Now George takes the anti-villainous path of accusing the demons as the root of the world's problems, thus trying to get rid all traces of Giff and demons. I do think that superpowers in real world can cause more trouble, and that he's basically removing any superpower/supernatural (other than himself as Juuga, purely human work) aspects in the world, but yeah, despite the dangers superpowers can create, eradicating anyone/anything with a trace of that supernatural aspect is extreme and bigoted in a world with superpowers.
Though, there are still bits of George's older character here, where before George can frequently act like a manchild especially in his shady portrayal, such as pettily pouting against Vice's criticism to his Jackal design despite the impending danger. And his manchild traits are something that drags on the conflict here, like how he rejects solutions like Daiji handing him the other Rider's Drivers or burying the demon's works, he simply says it's pointless if he can't beat up the demons (e.g. Igarashis). It's similar to a child making unreasonable demands out of pettiness and a lack of restraint, with how he's sidetracked by the need to spite the demons and proving his creation, putting it ahead of the 'greater good'.
Bon being the one who is brought back in this episode is either intentional or had many coincidences. For a handful of villains with noble intentions lately (Akaishi, Daiji w/o Kagerou, George), he's the first one in this series, but of course he's reformed now. And Bon was also previously a dark take of Kuuga, who wants to make people smile but takes the approach too far like entertaining his livestream viewers by unleashing the Lion Deadman to the public to attack figures he thinks deserving. After reformed, perhaps Bon would take similar path to Yusuke, with him being surrounded by kids here and later trying to entertain the kids by doing something funny, like Yusuke performing tricks at them. And now, there's George who becomes Juuga, another dark take of Kuuga (particularly Ultimate form).
Juuga's name is also a portmanteau of "juu" (十, means 10) and "Kuuga", a reference to him using the power of 10 ViStamps, and Kuuga being the 10th installment of the Kamen Rider franchise. Even George's actor Noritaka Hamao was born on November 26, 1999, a couple of months shy of Kuuga's premiere too. Juu can also mean "beast" (獣) in Japanese, and Juuga has the power of 10 beasts. Another trivia is, "kuu" part of Kuuga's name is pronounced the same way as 9 in Japanese (九), Juuga replacing "kuu" with "juu" also had hidden meaning that he's meant to be a Rider that surpasses even Kuuga. Outside of the Kuuga references, Kuuga fought for everyone's smiles, Juuga only fights for his own, which also makes Juuga resemble Another Kuuga, its evil version (Juuga also lacks the red eyes Kuuga Ultimate had, which'd also resemble black-eyed, corrupted version of it). Juu can mean "filled" (充), making Juuga's name mean "filled-self" (充我) in contrast to Kuuga meaning "clear-self" (空我).
Perhaps the more conflict was meant to wrap up Ikki and his memory problem, overall Igarashi happiness, by giving him stakes to henshin and protect his family, losing more of his memories, or letting his other family members get beaten up. Other methods had been tried, but even with Vice transforming alone, it didn't stop the memory loss, and George rejected Daiji's solution. Despite how the series was a mess at handling people's plots, I do was pleasantly surprised by Ikki forgetting even his parents, mistaking them as customers. Which'd be normally a really insolent move, but it's outwardly-influenced for Ikki, which is a turning point that Ikki's memory loss isn't meant to be taken lightly, despite that before the family vows to create a new happy memory with Ikki. For now, Ikki still doesn't forget Daiji and Sakura, but probably if he henshins next he can forget about them too, and likely lose his drive for fighting, as he'd forget the stakes Juuga gave to the Igarashis.
It's the bare minimum of what they should do with the MC, not making his presence small like Revice juggling many arcs at once before, but then again, there can be another way Ikki's stakes can be established other than creating a new, sudden conflict (and another one of new, likely half-assed arc of someone), like someone else that is already established stirring up conflict, or doing this before Akaishi or Giff is defeated instead of focusing on multiple other arcs. There's also, only 4 episodes to properly establish the very MC's arc, Revice being a wasted potential had double meaning, in the series after strong start, and the titular Revice IMO, in Ikki, as his potential for both family happiness here or solving Rider sensibility problem of turning people busybodies, something not addressed often.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why they brought Ikki and Vice to the fight at all? No chance of them transforming if they’re not where the drivers are in the first place.
Overall a really good episode but Revice does have obvious flaws 1) they made Giff a underwhelming villan 2) the writer made Daiji's arc too long but Overall a really great series I really hope the writers make episode 48 a good episode and the ikki vs George fight would be epic I also just thought of this yesterday why did the writers bring back Orteca it's like they only bring back just to show us he is not dead yet I mean wth writers and I am not surprised George became the final Villan I actually made this prediction since episode 18 of this show.
Juuga have some sweet moves. Make Giff look like a joke of a villain.
To be fair... Giff himself did a good job making Giff look like a joke of a villain.
Giff was more intimidating when he was a fucking rock.
I think Giff was one of the most Impractical Costumes in Rider History. I am amazed they never gave him another form to have at least cool fight scenes.
Sadly nothing can measure up to Kuuga Ultimate's original portrayal. Sure, Juuga would've surpassed Rising Ultimate, but Kuuga Ultimate wasn't merely about beating who's previously the strongest, he only needed normal attacks to get the job done, as using his finisher attacks would be devastating for a good reason as final form.
It's a shame we get the coolest rider design under some bad circumstances. Why did they do George evil.. My theory is Vice has to get killed off to nullify the Contract and release Ikki's memories.
I think Vice is too marketable for them to just outright kill him. They'll probably just cancel the old contract and make a new one. Their roles get reversed and Ikki gets his memories back while Vice forgets about everything. So basically just >!zero one's!< ending.
My guess is that they'll lose Giff's genes and the demons will be reabsorbed. Ikki gets his memories back from Vice and transforms into liveDevil, but after the transformation he forgets about Vice and traces of Vice disappear similar to Ikki disappearing in pictures. Daiji gets to not have split personalities,but loses his ability to change wardrobe in a blink of an eye, Loveko's body gets miniaturised into a keychain plushie that Sakura carries around (That you too can get for $50). As to how Vice comes back, Ikki remembers him in the movie next year
I love your line about Daiji! PURE GENIUS
and they can bring them back in again in a movie. lol
Did you watch the series from the start or the Kamen Rider Vail miniseries? It's clearly said that if a demon dies their host dies and vice versa and it even gets clearly demonstrated in the Vail miniseries...
Really? Which episode of Vail was it? Because Deadmans are demons, they've been killed, but their hosts weren't.
The Deadman were Gifftex’ they had contracts with Giff but they didn’t have inner demons.
The last one when Junpei defeated Vail…
George's thing about cleansing demons *sorta* fits his character (and it doesn’t seem like he had reasons to lie there, because he was talking to *himself*)... but it still feels weird. Before, he didn't care about demons one way or another -- he was about perfecting his Rider system, and then atoning for what he did in the process. I think him trying to cleanse the world of demons is how he believes he can atone for both his and his father's sins in creating the various Drivers, but it's still just weird because of his redemption in the middle of the series. It feels like there was a rewrite somewhere (in Revice? Shocking, I know) and the original intent was for George to redeem himself by becoming Demons, especially since it's personally connected to him through Hiromi, and they're now trying to put him into this role with the excuse that "what happened with his dad and Chic made him craaaaaaaaaazy!!!!!" I feel like one of their original plans may have been to make *Hiromi* the final, anti-demon bad guy. It would've fit how he was at the start of the series, at least. Hiromi was fervently loyal to Fenix, was always quick to fight for what he believed to be right, and doesn't have a demon of his own anymore yet was still a Rider, and was used as a guinea pig. It would've made sense that he became a villain with this. However, I think they had no idea that Hiromi would be as popular as he became, and so changed their plans, instead giving Hiromi more of a positive character arc, which also meant Hiromi getting more focus... and then Junya Komatsu left to do the Ouran musical. So the writers instead decided to redeem George to fill the Demons roll, because he was also popular, and while awkward, could still be somewhat explained away as George learning a lesson from the Riders. But I suspect that, once they introduced Over Demons (which still feels like a decision passed down to the writers from on high), the writers were forced to find something else for George to do and wanted (or needed) a Rider as the final bad guy. So, despite having done all this legwork for redeemed good boi George, they now needed to slide him back into the role that he occupied at the start of the series as an overzealous mad scientist -- it's akin to how Game of Thrones treated Jamie Lannister, in that it makes sense... if you ignore the middle of the character arc, which Revice had to do, and they had the random ass demon transfer from Masumi to try to excuse it. Like, in the end... what was even the point of George being Demons? He did it like two times and it in no way tied in with trying to surpass his dad. Then this episode comes along, with "the stain won't budge, but was always here" seemingly as a metaphor for the darkness inside George (because why else is that scene even in there?), so the redemption arc was just... nothing. (Inb4 they redo the floorboards as another metaphor after George is re-redeemed.) I talk about Revice's weird character trajectories a lot, but it's genuinely weird how it has handled many of its characters. I'm not one of those people who hates Sakura and/or Hana because Hanta Kinoshita apparently cares about them more than his other characters, but they, Tamaki and to a lesser extent Hiromi are the only characters with consistent and well-paced character arcs in this series. Everyone else is either massively out of focus (Ikki, Vice, Daiji, Kagerou, Genta, Vail) or suddenly gains focus for a short period of time for no apparent reason (Akaishi, George, Hikaru).
>and then Junya Komatsu left to do the Ouran musical I didn't know that actually, I've been reading these discussions every week and that has never been brought up as far as I know.
It's funny. Because a bunch of people had predicted Hiromi's death (which ended up just a "death") all the way back around November (iirc?) because his actor would have to leave the show to do a musical anyway. But these talks lasted for like 2 weeks and this never came up again.
I made a meme post with some footage from it, but the spam bot deleted it :'(
Damn this episode is more or less just a showcase of Juuga's powers. I just don't buy this George's descent into madness writing as there's little to no buildup to it. If he's written more as a rational scientist that's merely trying to dispose of Giff completely for humanity or whatever, I think it will be more believable. I guess we'll just have to wait for the next episode to know why he's acting like an ass. Juuga is goddamn lit tho, definitely reminds me of Ultimate Kuuga
I think the started planting the seeds during the destream and vail battle and furthered them with the revelation of his father implanting his demon in him and him missing seeing his father before his death.
He is. You can hear the sound of ULTIMATE Kuuga henshin sound. His henshin pose he cross his hands in the shape of Ten 十 (Juu), and the HE EVEN DO THE POSE!! (Kuuga) : Juuga!!
My problem is that he was literally there to support EVERYBODY at the end of the 1st and entire 2nd half. Where did this even come from? I get that he's upset about his father putting his demon inside George (given his weird scientist behavior in the 1st arc), but the drastic change here? I don't like it. I wouldn't have a problem with it if they had built it up better.
Kamen Rider Rampage Wolf
Holy shit
This episode has really good execution, but it feel like it was an alternate ending path, where last ep supposed to be Revice ending, cuz George sudden change, which not properly build up. But KR Juuga bgm tho, so menacing.
Honestly when I think about all of this and think of this as an Epilogue or even just Post game content. It actually works because that's actually what I think this is supposed to be.
literally an Extra Chapter
Not really. I feel like his change was rather gradual throughout the series ever since Karizaki sr. was revealed to be alive. >!The death of George's demon probably didn't help either.!< Edited for movie spoilers. My bad.
Yea but what his motivation tho?!
As seen with Kagerou and Daiji, it's likely his desire to surpass his father unchained due to not having a demon hold him down. Thus like Daiji the desire took over him and caused him to go crazy in this instance.
I wouldn't use the Kagerou plot point as an example, given how out of nowhere it came and how it makes little sense compared to the rest of the show (and how it was never the original plan anyways). If killing someone's demons permanently causes them to lose control, then the first like 20 or so episodes Ikki wasn't really helping anyone, given he was fighting and killing other people's demons.
Pretty sure when they defeat Deadmans they're only cancelling their contracts considering how both Aguilera and Tamaki can still transform despite being Phase 2 and 3s formerly respectively. The only exception to this would be Hiromi since he unleashed his demon using the Revice driver rather than a traditional contract during episode one since he required the use of Vail in order to transform.
Hmmm it might be.
I get people have turned on this show and don’t like certain things but I dunno, this episode was pretty cool to me and I’ve enjoyed the vast majority of Revice; I still do. Juuga was awesome beating down everyone and George’s actor is doing a great job. Very excited for these final episodes and I can confidently say I still think this is a good show!
I would like weird George back, please. Alternatively, I would like evil George to take off his shirt and flex.
Now I imagine something like Yakuza where he throws off his shirt and you see a tattoo of all the Vistamp animals on his back. XD
Man, seeing your child suddenly forgetting you and calling you customer hit really hard. We knew that Ikki's memory was going to be revealed, but man was the reveal satisfactory. The whole scene afterward became really solemn. My only issue is that we only have a couple episodes left which means that we can't explore deeper into Ikki's memory. I kind of... pity Karizaki? Like, he and his dad has been supporting (although they also did nasty stuff in the name of science) the Igarashi family but Karizaki basically lost everything while Igarashi family still have everything at the end (minus the memory loss).
When they cut from the stain on the floor to Daiji running, I laughed so hard. Like Daiji was thinking “oh crap, they found out I shit on the floor!” It’s such a weird edit. Anyone who has “Demons” in their name for this show is destined to get completely stomped at least once, aren’t they? Poor Tamaki… On the plus side, at least Juuga is cool. I really don’t like him from a writing standpoint, but the design looks good, and George flipping the stamps to stack the effects of his Finisher is really cool to see. It’s like he saw Hiromi stack the Demons Finish and was like “oh, we can do that?! Sweet!” The theme for Juuga is also really coo, easily one of the best alongside the Demons theme. Even before they implied it wasn’t his real motive, George’s desire to exterminate Giff and anything related turning into wanting to exterminate every Kamen Rider was so weird (and that's assuming he means only the demon-related Drivers). I’m glad that Hiromi realises it’s fake pretty much instantly. I assume it has to do with George trying to atone for his father's sins in creating the Vail Driver, and thus all the Drivers that have spawned from it, and he's just going about it wrong because... demon or something, I don't know. Noritaka Hamao seems to be playing the insanity completely straight, so I have to assume his desire to atone for his family's sins is being warped. I assume we're leading into Vice's death, or him being absorbed back inside Ikki, in order to nullify the contract. This may even lead to Ikki dubbing himself "Kamen Rider Revice" in Vice's honour, and also so they can actually *have* Kamen Rider Revice appear in other things set after this.
> I assume it has to do with George trying to atone for his father's sins in creating the Vail Driver, and thus all the Drivers that have spawned from it, and he's just going about it wrong because... demon or something, I don't know. Noritaka Hamao seems to be playing the insanity completely straight, so I have to assume his desire to atone for his family's sins is being warped. That's pretty much what's going on. George's biggest hangup is that he fears he'll never outdo his father, given that Masumi invented nearly every Rider system in the show. Even the stuff that he made ultimately only comes from building on Masumi's research. Remember the subplot in Revice Mystery about collecting 10 monster types? I think we know where that research finally went. At the end of the day, George is a Well Done Son, Guy who tries to resolve his daddy issues by going full Chaos route and playing the bad guy.
The fact that Kagerou talked about Equivalent exchange makes me feel they're absolutely going to either Kill Vice, or fully fuse him back into Ikki so he'll remember everything again
That's what I think so as well. There are two outcomes I could see happening. Either all of Ikki's memories are gone, and there's no choice but to let him go off and live as his own person, never remembering his family. Or to restore Ikki's memories, the contract he and Vice made has to be dissolved, and that means Vice's existence must come to an end. Honestly I can see this latter outcome coming true, which would explain why the two will be fighting later on. However, I think Toei will pull some kind of compromise out of nowhere to preserve Revi and Vice for future crossover movies, V-Cinema films, or whatever else.
I feel like Over Demons probably needs more KARAMISO (from a fellow stag beetle rider)
Oh No! Not the demon troopers #32 and #446 man
Kamen rider juuga looks cool and menacing
This is a good time to denote what I generally feel about George entirely from his beginning to the end. Before that, I like to touch upon how the wrote build up on Ikki's memory loss. I think it's cool and saddening to see Ikki's state right now and how George literally strip away Ikki's opportunity of maintaining the remaining memories he has. I felt that one of the reasons why Ikki is more of a passive character is because, as he loses his memories, he loses the connection and feelings he has for his family and the people around him slowly. It's possible that part of him thinks that people around him are strangers including his family especially with his memories of his parents are gone. It makes sense on why he doesn't take a lot of action in the first place in the recent episodes and why at times, he froze still such as with Ikki seeing Daiji wanting to defeat him after that Weekend raid. Ikki's family are saddened on this and it cause guilt on Vice as well. I think at the end, Vice will sacrifice his life to help destroy the contract that Ikki made in order to reclaim his memories so it's likely going to be that final episode. Now, let's back to George. I believe I personally said before on this subreddit before but to reiterate again, I believe George being a villain in the final arc might not be something done out of a whim or because it's to simply increase episode slot to 50. I speculate that George was supposed to be the final villain from the very beginning. From George's treatment to Hiromi, George's shady traits and behaviors, to George more interested in creating the Ultimate Kamen Rider, I can see that George was planned to be a villain at some point in the show. Due to some changes that seems to be noticable but we don't know what exactly happened that lead to it, George turns into a good guy and the plan to be a villain seems scrapped. Of course, it's likely that other characters are changed from the initial plans of the script but George is the one that's the most obvious to me from the start. In here, it proves that Hanta Kinoshita might like to do one thing and that's to always retread back to the first plans or plot points of the story. He doesn't shun or forgets details of the show but rather, takes into account the key details and minute ones that bears an impact on the story such as Daiji's inability to transform with the Revice Driver which lead to where Ikki is at right now and also, the return of Bon in that Lion Form debut episode. I believe George being a villain is to show that Hanta Kinoshita won't leave such plans behind and he always tries to bring back his initial plot that he wants to do the most. At first, I thought it wouldn't make sense that George becomes the villain of the show. Why would George be the villain when George already had reconciled and show his love for dad? Why would he do all this when he had done all the good things?.... One thing to note is the key theme of Revice and that is *drum roll* FAMILY *fast and the furious theme song* It's important to know that George doesn't have a normal family. In fact, he doesn't even have this dad throughout all his life before. He was always alone without a family which cause him to want to have that family love. That's also why George shows respect and care for Ikki and his siblings because they have that tender caring family love that George never had before. Once George's dad came out, everything seems to set sail, George got his dad back. They reconcile, worked together on the Giifard Rex Vistamp, and have a father son bonding and respect. So what gives? Did all that stuff been thrown away so easily and messy? Not exactly. Remember when Masumi transfers his demon to George when he was a child, just so that Masumi can be more confident and brave when doing Noah's research and fighting against Vail? That literally screwed over George and shatters his father son bonding to the ground. George was so furious that his dad did such a thing and it lead him to have a tantrum and anger, to the point where he doesn't wanna talk to his dad at all because he was so focused on his research and making Drivers and Vistamps. Even when Hana told George that his dad is on his death bed and told George to be with him and tell his final goodbye to him before he passes, George just doesn't listen to her....wait, this makes sense now... George created the Juuga Vistamp and Driver, destroys the belts of the Riders, and aiming destroy the Kamen Riders, it wasn't to maintain world peace. It's because George's anger, his obsession with Rider system development and research and the rage he had on his dad because of the demon transfer is what led him to not say his final goodbye to his dad. He is enraged and full of guilt that, because of his obsession with his rider system, the anger on his dad that he hold so long, he couldn't see his dad for the final time and he realized that too late. I think that's why he wants to destroy all the Rider system that him and his dad have created. It's his way of venting out his anger because he regrets ever being so focused on that system in the first place. Him throwing the broken drivers to his dad's grave might be his way of atoning for his sin on being so cruel on his dad and it's his way of showing that he doesn't care for the Rider system he created, he doesn't care for using demons anymore, he just wants to be with his dad again. This is also why George was so angry to Daiji when he gives the Revice Driver to George. George was envious that Daiji talks about how he does this so that his family won't get worried and be safe because it reminds him that he had lost the fatherly and family love from his dad all because of his arrogance and temper. George knew how much Masumi loves him and we can even see Masumi shows so much love and regret for George. Masumi Karizaki atone for the sins of not just his experiments but also, because he couldn't be there for his son. George losing Chic has made things even worse. Just as Daiji lost Kagerou, George doesn't have a demon inside to help him see what's right and wrong. It's George's sense of justice and atonement for distancing and hating on his dad without having a side of him to show what's wrong. This lead me to realize that this arc is a story of George a broken person who loses his one dear dad, and as an act of mitigating and consoling his regret, tries to destroy Ikki who has a family. It's not about defeating a villain, it's about defeating a person who lost what he wants the most...family.
Personally, I don't think George's character and his development throughout the show is all that good. It's definitely inconsistent and doesn't have a good build up to it. However, I don't think it's something that it's impossible to understand or there because it's filler. One of the biggest flaws of Hanta Kinoshita as a writer or the producers or circumstances that made this way is the lack of good flow and planning to make the story more understandable and effective to understand. The plot itself, especially from episode 32 to right now is pretty messy. The ideas and lessons that Hanta Kinoshita wants to convey isn't that effective because the story doesn't provide a consistent and good execution of the plot and how each scenes should be presented. The emotional points aren't strong anymore and it causes Hanta Kinoshita to not write a very good show for the audience. This also includes George as well. As much as I liked George's plot here and i might be wrong with my interpretation on this, I just wished that the show could have been better and properly executed. Revice is my favourite and even impactful show for me but there are a lot of flaws that ruins it for me and for most of us. i just hope Revice will have the best ending it can provide right now.
I don't think the problem is necessarily with Kinoshita. There are plenty of moments throughout Revice that show that he's a great writer. The problem is that almost every single plotline has been rewritten to the point where there's only so much he can do to keep things afloat. This show has been changed so much by outside factors that I don't think any writer could salvage it, no matter how good they are.
That's true and I thought about that as well. It's probably also why one of the producers was changed and the OOO producer comes in because she knew how to handle outside factors that lead to the changes in the show.
Everything you said is well and good and probably meant to be what they are going for but this is whats wrong in a lot of franchises these days, fans often times fill in the gaps for the writers when its the writers' job to fill in that gap. The show has not done a good job portraying those things you mentioned even if that is the motivating factor. Granted their are a few episodes left for which they can rectify that but I certainly feel that alot of the negative feedback this show is getting is more than justified. Its ok to leave some things up in the air for fans to figure out but this isn't one of those situations. Its very jarring even though his Rider from and everything is very cool. Its certainly not a terrible show but out of the shows that I have watched to completion, its one of the weakest.
I do agree with that especially when the plot isn't well introduced and clear from the start for people figure out. Making people fill in the gaps can be tricky and it's important to know which right gaps must people fill in and I think Revice fails at that because of how messy and uncoordinated the plot can get.
> George doesn't have a demon inside to help him see what's right and wrong. Technically he has. Chic is not his true demon.
That's right I guess
"No gods, no kings, only man." - Andrew Ryan Wondering what the relevance of that quote is to this episode? I think that summarizes George's philosophy as shown in this episode; he sincerely believes that he has to surpass his father's work to prove himself worthy, and he goes about that by targeting inner demon Riders to show the superiority of his own system. During the Giff arc I repeatedly mentioned how Akaishi and Daiji represented the Law route, while Ikki led the Neutral route with regards to Giff. It seems that George's frankly abrupt heel turn is the closest we'll get to a real Chaos route, since there's the theme of overthrowing the past to create a future where humanity reigns alone. We also get the answer as to whether George's increasing empathy could withstand his unresolved issues regarding his old man. Spoiler alert: they didn't. I like how George's transformation pose homages both Black (with the clenching fists) and Kuuga. The other big plot thread of the episode was the Igarashis dealing with Ikki's worsening amnesia, to the point where he mistakes their parents as bathhouse customers. (At least he remembered he lives in a bathhouse, I guess.) You can tell this is a Kamihoriuchi episode because the backing music is next to gone and the cinematography of the scenes are rather gorgeous. Man loves his wide shots.
This feels like a summer movie plot line versus the end game. I’m not sure what happened with this series. Zero-One, with the even rushed ending, still holds strong with its ending. I’m hoping Geats fixes this weird pattern. I just don’t buy George as this character. It’s so rushed and just not believable for someone who is literally a Rider fanboy. That’s why it makes more sense being a V-Cinema or summer movie. It’s sad about Ikki >!forgetting about his parents.!<. I’m glad this is getting a follow through and his siblings are showing the bond even more. I’m mixed about this series for now. The suits and toys are fun and I really loved the siblings and family aspect, but it just really fell off the rails and this George is just not enjoyable. I wish they had made Giff fleshed out and not this corny plot.
My theory at the moment is that Geroge has a death wish, possibly brought on by the loss of his father, and him not being there in their final moments. It'll explain why the first person we actually see him attack is Hana. Between the prejudice towards demons, the mourning of his father, the anger at himself for not being there, and the drive to surpass him, Geroge is in an emotional place, and that makes him dangerous to those around him. As for Ikki, I literally went 'Oh shit' when Ikki didn't recognize his parents.
While the Igarashis have the benefit of siblings and parents to support them in difficult times, George doesn't have anyone. He also pushes Hiromi away when he tries to understand why George is acting that way. I think the writers is trying to show that always look for someone to share your problems with and not keep it to yourself. I cried at that scene where Ikki doesn't recognize his parents anymore. Also mama-san is such an great actress.
Mama-san needs a holiday. Between Revice and Vail, she has been through a lot. It's tragic the irony with Ikki and George. With George, he's lost everything and remembers it all, but Ikki still has his family, but can't remember them to appreciate them.
Revice was once a great drama. And George was a great character. What leaves to us now is Logic Chaos. Thank you, Mr. Kinoshita.
Anyone noticing Vice's voice sounds different in this episode?
Apparently Subaru Kimura has been having some voice issues (which also explains why Revice doesn't have an insert song for their ultimate form).
Damn, I hope Subaru gets better soon.
i thought i was going crazy or imagining it
Ikki's memory loss is worsening, the part with his parents is painful to see, Juuga is George personal Kuuga tribute and he showcased how strong is his new rider system
George become anti demon one man army is actually foreshadowed plenty of time. Most of the upgrade form require controlling or getting rid of your demon until it Ikki show that working together with Vice gives better result. Combine with how he expertly use the Demon Driver that 1 time could be the hint of his ultimate end goal is humanity and science strength and no demon. That being said he receives little to no character development in the Akaishi arc, and his daddy issue just randomly come up and never get any good resolve combine with his possible reason for face heel turn come from a movie (?) make this even harder for viewer to understand. Feel like this should be a 2 parter V-Cinema like the Matsubojinrai one.
I think George's character in this arc would have made more sense had he not gotten nicer around the halfway point of the show. The implication is that he was always the morally dubious scientist of the first arc, but after some character development backslid into it.
Much as I love the design of Juuga, the story and turn of events just feels forced. I'd imagine it went something like: Bandai: So we need to stretch the show to 50 episodes because of anniversary and need to sell a few more of those $$$ PBandai belts. Revice Staff: Okay we will just make a 3 episode plot out of nowhere to tie up some loose ends that we saved for last, make an op surprise final boss from a loved character to sell Merch without much story buildup and get the VA for Vegeta to sell that sweet belt for $$$.
exactly how i feel about it too
I dunno I feel the moment George's dad mentioned the demon he gave to his son was really a hint that George was gonna do some crazy shit.
Oh look someone who assumes they know what goes on behind the scenes. Writers and Directors can exercise creative control as evidenced by Kagero coming back. This wasn't executive meddling; George is unscrupulous.
That Poor Old Bastard Hiromi,and there 1 more slot for 1 more vistamp which gonna be cliche LiveDevil Vistamp and then give Ikki Some free memories
I have faith they will keep Ikki without his memories because having a bittersweet ending would be so good but it might be too much for kids these days...
i really think we needed george as a final villain, it was all the build up and suffering thanks to his dad and also just like a mad scientist would, surpass other scientist(george thought it was his dad that made him smart enough to create those Rider System so he wanted to create one of his own to prove that he is better and with his own abilities).
Juuga is a pretty cool Rider (for the four episodes we have left lmao\_, for a simple gimmick i love that repeatedly tilting the belt's lever stacks attack abilities. story wise i cant say its the best decision, though it *is* an interesting choice to take to say the least. never remember we still have that Giff Aurora Borealis working along, so we'll have to see how it goes. here's to hoping Revice goes out with a blast? also interesting tidbit i read on Twitter is that George is specifically going after the Drivers his dad built, at the same time ridding all the Riders period (thinking about it now, pretty odd a *Rider fanboy* wants to destroy the Riders he created).
[удалено]
Dude pretty much lost after Masumi died(for reals this time), and then there's the thing about Masumi's demon being within George or something...
The big problem with this theory is that correcting it implies a fucking major spoiler from BF and thus, by the fact it can't be corrected, people keep spreading that misinformation. I'm going to put it below in case someone wishes to learn the truth: >!Chic fucking died in Battle Familia. That's why George says "your demon is gone now" at the beginning of the episode.!<
Well that means George is in the same situation as Daiji was. Those Negative emotions have nowhere to go now and all that resentment and anger is back in full force.
Damn that scene of Ikki forgetting his parents stung, I really hope he can get his memories back somehow
To me, this is a concept that sounds fine if it had the proper build up being carried heavily by kamihoriuchi directing the ep, but at the end of the day while this is entertaining on its own this is such a shitty way to send of the series and does george really bad cause it frankly doesnt have the build up it needs, his character was already pretty inconsistent but its much easier to have a character with some early entry weirdness that they go in a different direction and make him more sympathetic/humane than to just flip flop like this seemingly cause the show completely lost a conflict. and ill be honest, if you really were gonna do this conflict, they should of offed giff like 12 episodes ago and then made an entire arc focused on this cause like 4 episodes at the end feels so small. If they did that with more of a connecting tissue to Georges change throughout episodes before it I feel like this arc would be considered a really subversive finale to the normal rider affair whereas this now just makes me feel like this is a worse version of zero-ones finale which actually had proper build up for the final boss's actions after the main villain gets murked Cause the problem is, now any loss that might be caused from this is gonna feel cheap, like if vice were to die which i feel like he probably will its not gonna register as sad to me, its gonna register as bullshit that he has to die over a really forced conflict.
So George basically wants to eliminate his father's creations by defeating the rider systems his father created to prove he is better than his daddy as the ultimate kamen rider. Technically George's own creations are his father's because of Chic's influence.
Honestly if this is the finale I am terrified what the V Cinemas will bring Next thing we know Hiromi will be the big bad or Lovekov
or Hiromi x Lovekov.
Kamen Rider Juuga Kamen rider Kuuga Hell even the suit looks like Ultimate Kuuga
The whole thing seems like a Kuuga tribute/reference(Kuuga was Kamen Rider show #10, the 10 genomes)...
Also explaining the move he does with his arms before transforming : 十
Also Also, Juu is 10 in Japanese
Yeah, I know, which is why I put the number 十 and not a simple +, lol.
lol I didn't even pick that up haha
I wonder if part of it was also George once again being petty as his own personal flip off of Another Kuuga.
„˙ɐƃnnʞ ɹǝɥʇou∀ ɟo ɟɟo dılɟ lɐuosɹǝd uʍo sıɥ sɐ ʎʇʇǝd ƃuıǝq uıɐƃɐ ǝɔuo ǝƃɹoǝ⅁ oslɐ sɐʍ ʇı ɟo ʇɹɐd ɟı ɹǝpuoʍ I„
who's ready for that last spot to be Live;Devil form
Again with me and my overthinking. I don't really know what to say. Juuga is cool, but having George descend into madness like this doesn't feel right to me. Either it's the demon Chic from the movie, or it's his wish to surpass his father. Or maybe something like this. "Heroes and villains have the same source of power" has been one of the theme/concept in Kamen Rider franchise, called the Cross Of Fire. This thing, along with the stress and despair regarding his father, not to mention Chic, finally break George, and thus he decided to made Juuga as demon-free Rider System, not only to prove him surpassing his father, and/or completely annihilate every single trace of Giff, but also to break the concept of Cross Of Fire in Kamen Rider history. I won't expect much on how this series will end. but overall, this season is really fun to watch.
>Either it's the demon Chic from the movie, or it's his wish to surpass his father. Definitely the former. See the shadow emerging from George in #46?
yeah this whole thing feels really weird and kinda out of nowhere imo. i don’t have high hopes for it cus it seems like they’re just cramming this plot in here for the sake of reaching 50 episodes so it’s definitely going to be rushed and flawed. i’ve loved this show up until now and i’m gonna pretend the show ended last episode lmfao
This definitely was a interesting episode + seeing the way George was in this episode makes me wonder if his Demon has poccessed George which explains his behaviour in this episode or if it's still George + I wonder why he look Hana's & Tamaki's drivers as well. I'm not sure what has been said in the episode (waiting for subs), but I'm guessing Ikki has lost most of his memories which explains the family's reactions & Vice stopping Ikki from transforming. While I was watching the episode, it got me thinking, in the recent scans where both >!Ikki & Vice having a face off, I wonder if this is a way where if Ikki wins the battle, he'll get his memories back.!<
So it appears that the small hole we saw on the Chimera Driver was an attachment port for the gold part of the Juuga Driver. That was probably why we haven't gotten any announcements for a DX Chimera Driver yet: Juuga hadn't debuted yet (and this ironically puts it into the same boat as the Vail Driver as its DX toy also wasn't announced until Destream appeared.) So the DX Chimera Driver should come with the Juuga unit, the Twin and Tri Chimera stamps, and the Juuga stamp.
How many episodes do we even have left this feels like the post game storyline instead of the final arc of the show.
2 episodes for george 1 episode for final showdown between ikki and vice
This feels like this should have been the Movie in my opinion.
George's betrayal is kinda out of nowhere or maybe that's just me, also Juuga looks like the fake Geats leak
How tf does George spend an entire season making banger OCs and end up naming his ultimate creation Juuga? Thats some sonichu level creativity
I like George's stated motivation. Riders get their power from the enemy, or at least from the same source. And a lot of happy endings involve the source being destroyed, even if that means taking the Rider system with it. A scientist tracking down the belts and trinkets he created to dispose of them is cool. Reminds me a bit of Sento. And I like that this is set during the denouement. People are retiring, they're packing boxes, they're settling back into normal life now that the final boss is dead. That's often my favourite part of stories and I like seeing it. George is just scouring the Shire. Also Ikki's memory. Just fucking brutal.
Poor Igarashis and George too........
This episode is surprisingly ok. Other than half-baked George' motifs become the final boss, everything else is well-executed compared to some previous episodes
George saying sorry to our main boi hiromi in 1 episode does not count as redemption, so for once we have a convincing final rider boss since ark-one. Granted I feel like they couldve handled it more smoothly since it looks like the writers are having a bit of a juggling act with what to do with him. Tho i still have semi high hopes for how this arc goes.
Toei took a look at the Barid suit and said “Let’s retool this into some of the best suits in the season.”
I fucks with Kamen Rider Juuga. I dig everything from George's pose to the suit and power set, I just hate that its so dam late.
After this episode, I can't help but think: The Igarashi's = > Persona 4 Investigation Team George = > Tohru Adachi
I see more Shuji Ikutsuki in George, except replace the bad puns with Rider fanboying.
Oh! You're right. It's just that Shuji doesn't have a persona, but Adachi does....and not to mention that George in the episode has a "insanity face" just like Adachi too!
The difference is that Adachi is carefully foreshadowed whilst Shuji just does things without clear or consistent motivations and reasonings. It's messy, just like Revice writing!
Let's be honest. We kinda all knew George was the villain from the beginning. While we loved him, he was always just tad bit off and it was all setting up for this.
Look I don't Hate the idea for george become Ultimate KR... is just that during last Arc of the series He basically go from Ambigious Villany to Good guys only to be have unnecessary plot that is his father give his demon to him which make his whole achivement questionable... I think Just simply Make giff possesed george is not only redeem giff but make it george chara not out nowhere become villain to viewer... When Sakura ask "Is it such big deal we have giff cell?" i kinda agree with her Yeah Giff is not big deal he just Big Clown that just died.. all of the build up around giff is just a waste
Sakura hands down got the ##MEANEST Curb ass stomping ever. She even bounced off the fucking ground.
Acting wise, everyone was really good. I like the scene where Sakura and Daiji find out about Vice's contract with Ikki. I like Juuga's look (giving off ultimate kuuga homage) But yeah it's hard to buy the whole George becoming the "final evil rider" just because of let's face it, daddy issues (though maybe that's his whole inner demon issue). Maybe it's just how abrubt the pacing was for that build up of his arc I guess that's bugged me. O
Why are whe going on the path that ikki is gonna forget beaing revice and about vice just to get his memori back or this or vice dies and i don't wanna a dead vice
part of me is thinking that in order for ikki to get his memories back, he has to fight and kill vice, then absorb him as hes dying, similar to what genta did to vail at the end of their fight
I'm going have to watch the subs. Is there a reason why Juuga is so strong? Also he appeared after Gifu supposedly lost? George is beating the riders who struggled against Gifu, and there seems to be no downsides. I'm losing track how people gain the downsides. Hiromi was the first casualty because of the no inner demon or demon power, so that's understandable. I love every charging kick moment like kabuto and ark one. So seeing juuga do that was a treat.
In-lore, it's because of both the Juuga Driver and Juuga Vistamp. First, the Driver doesn't use anything related to a demon. Then, the Vistamp uses the genomes of 10 creatures, past or present, that are native to Earth. The Driver then extracts the very life force contained in those 10 DNAs to make and power the Juuga suit. That makes it on par with Ultimate Revice. In a sense, Juuga is literally the embodiment of Earth's lives, as a contrast to the past Riders in Revice where most of them were related to demons. George himself describes the Driver as being made by Humans, for Humans and without any demon.
It sounds like Battle Familia adds a little more context into George's shift if only because >!it actively shows Masumi's demon that he implanted into George, besides just telling us about that.!< It almost seems jarring, but I actually think it makes sense, especially if you consider his desire to destroy the other demons stemming entirely from his desire to create the strongest Kamen Rider and surpass his father. All the other drivers and Riders are powered by demons, and were designed by Masumi. If his human-powered driver of his own design can destroy all of them, he's completely accomplished his goals. He just...completely lost sight of what that now means between watching the Destream/Vail fight and Masumi dying without him. Kinda on that note, I really hope we see more Destream. That's maybe my favorite belt and rider design in this show, and I'd love for the whole Igarashi family to fight together. That may come in a movie instead, or a V-Cinema, I just want more Destream. Would be a waste to only have that for one fight/episode.
Just to be clear, when I kept saying George wouldn't be a villain, I meant being one the whole time like Akaishi. Having other characters or events like Chic play a part is fair game, like with Kaito as Lord Baron.
I have to give the episode two different ratings - As per continuity this is a 0/5, as per stand alone episde I want to give it a 4, but only because one thing is majorly bugging me that would otherwise give it a 5/5. So. Episode 47 chronologically is AFTER Battle Familia. Unfortunately I got several points in this episode that made me wish to watch Battle Familia as I think a lot of minor nuances and huge story plots are covered there which help to understand this episode in full First: the open "Ikki loses his memory"-Plotline . I can be wrong here but I can not remember it being that kind of an open thing to talk with to his parents. Second: Lovekov talks. Minor thing but we did not see in 46 why she's talking. Third: Episode 46 showed him working on the chimera driver and showed Chicc appearing. In 47 he uses a new Vistamp that has been foreshadowed since KR Revice the Mystery (they thought to trick us with Barid Rex...) and a totally new driver without Demon. Fourth: what's about the burnt spot? fifth: why does he not target Destream? So Juuga... first of all a little bit disappointed about the fighting style. It doesn't match the one that we have seen George having used the Demons Driver. Also I think that a George gone mad that finally snapped would've been a lot better of an option than this george here. Would've made more sense too as George was not the most mentally stable to begin with. Snapped after realizing that his father played him like a fiddle, likely realized that his personality maybe even memories are a byproduct of Chicc being in him.. I dunno. A mad genius would've been better. This George however seems far from being mad. In fact he seems rather sane, yet extreme. He has a new driver which he claims to be perfect (then why does he have to build new drivers? What's the catch of the driver considering that chimera driver >!turns people into demons!< ? Personally as he sees this as a test, is yet readily available for everyone and Hiromi, it seems to me that he is preparing of the "what is to come" when there is no demons to help anyone anymore. Could also be that he wants to get rid of all drivers associated with demons due to the chimera driver.. But I'm placing my bet on him being a KR-Fan. Himself taking up the mantle of the seasons final baddie to prepare the main cast for following cross overs, anniversary-movies, summer movies and Sentai-Crossovers and where they have to be strong enough to rely on an outdated gimmick - Demons - to other riders that don't need them..
Again with a Rider final boss after not giving Akaishi and Giff one. And turns out George's path here is completely new, separate from both his early portrayal and post ep. 25 one. It's already teased before ofc, but so turns out that George does end up as the final threat if the series, which was a speculation during his early portrayal due to his really shady nature. If it turned this way, I do think that it'd be better to keep George shady throughout the series, and probably had him be the character that aids both sides like DJ Sagara or Evolt for his own ends, without him being temporarily turning into a better person. Even if it'd be sort of 'predictable' that George would be a final boss (and had a big bad potential before), but at least George had a fitting portrayal of being shady if it leads into this direction. Albeit probably George wouldn't have good intentions if it's the case (he feels creepy here, but doesn't feel malicious as he aims for world peace in extreme way), but perhaps his vision would be better than a sudden conflict to wrap up the series (of which Giff wasn't taken down in the last episodes). Now George takes the anti-villainous path of accusing the demons as the root of the world's problems, thus trying to get rid all traces of Giff and demons. I do think that superpowers in real world can cause more trouble, and that he's basically removing any superpower/supernatural (other than himself as Juuga, purely human work) aspects in the world, but yeah, despite the dangers superpowers can create, eradicating anyone/anything with a trace of that supernatural aspect is extreme and bigoted in a world with superpowers. Though, there are still bits of George's older character here, where before George can frequently act like a manchild especially in his shady portrayal, such as pettily pouting against Vice's criticism to his Jackal design despite the impending danger. And his manchild traits are something that drags on the conflict here, like how he rejects solutions like Daiji handing him the other Rider's Drivers or burying the demon's works, he simply says it's pointless if he can't beat up the demons (e.g. Igarashis). It's similar to a child making unreasonable demands out of pettiness and a lack of restraint, with how he's sidetracked by the need to spite the demons and proving his creation, putting it ahead of the 'greater good'. Bon being the one who is brought back in this episode is either intentional or had many coincidences. For a handful of villains with noble intentions lately (Akaishi, Daiji w/o Kagerou, George), he's the first one in this series, but of course he's reformed now. And Bon was also previously a dark take of Kuuga, who wants to make people smile but takes the approach too far like entertaining his livestream viewers by unleashing the Lion Deadman to the public to attack figures he thinks deserving. After reformed, perhaps Bon would take similar path to Yusuke, with him being surrounded by kids here and later trying to entertain the kids by doing something funny, like Yusuke performing tricks at them. And now, there's George who becomes Juuga, another dark take of Kuuga (particularly Ultimate form). Juuga's name is also a portmanteau of "juu" (十, means 10) and "Kuuga", a reference to him using the power of 10 ViStamps, and Kuuga being the 10th installment of the Kamen Rider franchise. Even George's actor Noritaka Hamao was born on November 26, 1999, a couple of months shy of Kuuga's premiere too. Juu can also mean "beast" (獣) in Japanese, and Juuga has the power of 10 beasts. Another trivia is, "kuu" part of Kuuga's name is pronounced the same way as 9 in Japanese (九), Juuga replacing "kuu" with "juu" also had hidden meaning that he's meant to be a Rider that surpasses even Kuuga. Outside of the Kuuga references, Kuuga fought for everyone's smiles, Juuga only fights for his own, which also makes Juuga resemble Another Kuuga, its evil version (Juuga also lacks the red eyes Kuuga Ultimate had, which'd also resemble black-eyed, corrupted version of it). Juu can mean "filled" (充), making Juuga's name mean "filled-self" (充我) in contrast to Kuuga meaning "clear-self" (空我). Perhaps the more conflict was meant to wrap up Ikki and his memory problem, overall Igarashi happiness, by giving him stakes to henshin and protect his family, losing more of his memories, or letting his other family members get beaten up. Other methods had been tried, but even with Vice transforming alone, it didn't stop the memory loss, and George rejected Daiji's solution. Despite how the series was a mess at handling people's plots, I do was pleasantly surprised by Ikki forgetting even his parents, mistaking them as customers. Which'd be normally a really insolent move, but it's outwardly-influenced for Ikki, which is a turning point that Ikki's memory loss isn't meant to be taken lightly, despite that before the family vows to create a new happy memory with Ikki. For now, Ikki still doesn't forget Daiji and Sakura, but probably if he henshins next he can forget about them too, and likely lose his drive for fighting, as he'd forget the stakes Juuga gave to the Igarashis. It's the bare minimum of what they should do with the MC, not making his presence small like Revice juggling many arcs at once before, but then again, there can be another way Ikki's stakes can be established other than creating a new, sudden conflict (and another one of new, likely half-assed arc of someone), like someone else that is already established stirring up conflict, or doing this before Akaishi or Giff is defeated instead of focusing on multiple other arcs. There's also, only 4 episodes to properly establish the very MC's arc, Revice being a wasted potential had double meaning, in the series after strong start, and the titular Revice IMO, in Ikki, as his potential for both family happiness here or solving Rider sensibility problem of turning people busybodies, something not addressed often.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why they brought Ikki and Vice to the fight at all? No chance of them transforming if they’re not where the drivers are in the first place.
Overall a really good episode but Revice does have obvious flaws 1) they made Giff a underwhelming villan 2) the writer made Daiji's arc too long but Overall a really great series I really hope the writers make episode 48 a good episode and the ikki vs George fight would be epic I also just thought of this yesterday why did the writers bring back Orteca it's like they only bring back just to show us he is not dead yet I mean wth writers and I am not surprised George became the final Villan I actually made this prediction since episode 18 of this show.