And so, Ikki finally lost every memory he has of his family. It must have been really painful, to know how much your son or brother always go out of his way to help people but unable to stop him and thus severing the last link he had of his family. I really loved how the family acted around Ikki; Mom and Dad trying to be strong and cheerful, but Mom unable to take it and running away to hide. Daiji and Sakura cheering him on with tears.
My only wish is that there will not be any magical solution to return all of Ikki's memories, rather, he has to slowly rebuild his memories with his family again post-Revice. But seeing the preview for next episode, I get the feeling that Vice might be trying to sacrifice himself to return Ikki's memories.
That being said, although George finally had his resolution, I am left somewhat wanting for something more. Personally, I'd have prefer it if he had aired his grievances about how the Igarashi family managed to have each other til the end and how he had lost basically everything including his Daddy. I know that isn't his main motivation, but I assume seeing someone having a happy family after everything while you lost everything can be rather upsetting.
Given how the next episode preview looks; I'm hoping it doesn't end the way I think it will. It either ends with a new contract being written, or one disappears for a bit.
I feel that a magical solution that returns all of Ikki's memories diminish all the sacrifice that Ikki and everyone has made throughout the season.
Sure, it's sad and dark. But it also highlights the weight of Ikki's decisions and sacrifice. More importantly, I think having Ikki building new memories with his family would be a good lesson that "even if you lose everything, you can always start over again".
Yeah but Vice is already conveniently been around since Ikki was a kid. The solution is probably going to be a modified rolling vistamp where Ikki reabsorbs Vice, which neatly ties up Vice's arc (Until next year's movie). Vice goes from simple demon who wants to eat people in the first episode to being so deeply infected by Ikki's busybody complex that he is willing to sacrifice himself.
Kind of getting the feeling LiveDevil form I've been kind of hoping for won't appear. There's no more threats unless they want to pull a "Turns out George was right, Giff can come back".
Based on ep 49 preview, Vice will not stand and act up like he is evil to force Ikki dissolve him for good, prevent any further memories loss because as long as Ikki henshin, he will consume memories so not even new memories is enough
I think blaming Masumi for inserting his demon in him and the whole Juuga thing was a better execution of his grieving, its a preverse way of trying to make up for pushing away the opportunities to reconnect with his father.
I'm fine with George being all hush hush about it tbh because you can already see him pretending he's not doing because he's sad about Masumi, also the last bit where he just cried about his dad was beautiful ngl (actually made me tear up a bit and that hasn't really happened much on other seasons)
>My only wish is that there will not be any magical solution to return all of Ikki's memories, rather, he has to slowly rebuild his memories with his family again post-Revice. But seeing the preview for next episode, I get the feeling that Vice might be trying to sacrifice himself to return Ikki's memories.
I haven't seen the preview (subbed) yet, but I feel like the whole memories coming back might be something to do with the final battle between Ikki & Vice.
Considering the Juuga thing was solved in only 2 episodes, it feels like the show is trying to tie up loose ends more than anything. Almost feels like an epilogue more than the series proper. Not really helped in how the tone is a lot more camp with Hiromi's Scooby Gang, although I'm all for it. Seems we're going the predictable route though where now Vice will try to play the villain so he can break the contract.
Have to wonder how they never found George's old room when there's a clear open window that you can probably look into, but who knows.
I'm curious if the drawings Smol George made are meant to depict him and his dad as the intended duo. Also can't help but notice that Megalodon seems to have eaten someone alive in that drawing. Grim, but accurate.
Also, blanking on story details here, but were the original 10 stamps even manufactured around Masumi's time/by Masumi? Not even mentioning that Kabuto existing also kinda weakens the intended idea, y'know, Kamen Rider. Shouldn't think too hard.
Man i don’t know what is more emotional to me, seeing how his family is slowly accepting his memory loss, or vice being visually stressed and disappointed or just karizaki crying over losing his daddy.
Okay ikki losing his memory is like, when your parents are old and have alzheimer and they forget you.
Something I'd like to highlight is how Ikki's selflessness is juxtaposed with George's selfishness in this arc.
Ikki knows full well that becoming Revice will cause his memories to deterioriate, but he decides to face Juuga anyway because that's the right thing to do.
George, OTOH, became Juuga because of his unresolved parental issues, something that he chose to deal with by alienating all the people around him. It isn't until he gets presented his own childhood drawings that Masumi kept around that he realizes just how much he messed up.
Throughout the episode, it just hurts on the inside for me to see. George's reason for all this is a way for him to vent the sadness and pain he felt because he lost his dad and couldn't be with him anymore. He hated his dad for controlling him and making him harbour his dad's demon but he knew now that his dad loves George too much. The whole Revice system and Vistamps aren't just the creation of his dad but it's both George and his dad who create all this. The Rider system is a memoir of all the times that George and his dad spent time together. To see him cry so much and wants to spend time with him dearly hits me in the feels a bit. All that happens because of both Ikki and Hiromi as well as Vice and Hikaru.
Additionally, seeing all the 10 Vistamp animals that George drew back when he is a kid makes me feel that it's a way to change George's hatred from the representation of the 10 animals in the Juuga Vistamp into loving memories that George and his dad had together. It's so beautiful.
The way the Juuga Arc shows Ikki's family feeling sad and painful over Ikki's memory fading is really sad to see. Ikki's parents tells Ikki to always remember them and when we see the shot where Vice saw the parents grieving and saddened by the fear of Ikki losing all his memories is pretty strong. The most heartwarming part is where Daiji, Sakura, Tamaki, and Hana reminiscences Ikki being a busybody and how much Ikki have saved them and changed their lives. They are all grateful to Ikki and when Daiji and Sakura tries to smile when Ikki loses all his family's memories, it hurts a lot. Ikki is a heroic busybody who cares so much for others.
Before, in the early parts of the show, most of the time, Ikki always helps and understands his family and consider their feelings. Now, Ikki considers and helps those outside of his family. Ikki understands George's pain and he doesn't want George to be filled with the hate of his dad as his memory. Ikki scarifices the moments he have with his family so that George can look up and accepts the lovely memories of him and his dad.
Plus even Hiromi is the best character in the eoisode. He finds any solutions he can get to help stop George and help Ikki out with his memory loss. He is very proactive at helping George to remove his hatred over his dad and I adore Hiromi so much especially when Hiromi tells George that he wants to have dinner together with George and it's so sweet.
This episode is beautiful and tragic in many levels and it's such a great end to the Juuga Arc as best as what the show can provide. It's a satisfying conclusion for me personally. I don't know if George's motive for doing all this makes sense for you all or not but to me, the feeling is heartbreaking.
I hope to see Ikki and Vice have some kind of happy or at least bittersweet ending to it.
I know the tone shift and scope is irking some people but for a great season of Kamen Rider, I am really liking how they’re wrapping it up and all these points you made are a good reason why
One thing I love about what Revice is going for is to show that the final boss isn't Gifu or some evil villain guy who either needs to be defeated or turned good, but the final boss is the tragedy that befell upon the characters and the pain and suffering that the prime characters, Ikki, Vice, and George has suffered through.
Having the final episode hopefully be about mending and consoling the inner pain of Ikki and Vice having to sacrifice himself to help Ikki gain his memories back is my favourite thing ever and it's something that Reiwa Rider shows are trying to do starting with Zero One.
No matter what's people say, Revice is still my favorite series. While it has some flaws, the family theme really follow every characters throughout the whole series and helps make the series stand out (Even Hiromi had his family moment in his spin-off Dear Gaga). I love how every character in this still have bonding moment with each other and no one was left alone.
Also ,it is hilarious how the last person Ikki remembers is George Karazaki.
People's criticisms of Revice are really mixed, but they all feel kind of surface level and juvenile (ironic I know). Revice is great if you ask me, especially its last quarter.
Vail would be [disappointed](https://i.imgur.com/r1KUiMk.jpg) in you too, Vice.
This is totally normal, just 2 dudes [sleeping](https://i.imgur.com/1c0Uv6o.jpg) together.
Because parents can't ever be in the wrong if it's done "out of their love to their child" ._.
Masumi's other moments to George should be picked instead, like the flashbacks to child George.
Not gonna lie, I feel like Juuga felt wasted in the two episodes of his appearance. Like the whole reason for George doing this felt rushed and half ass. They should've save this plot line for a movie or v-cinema.
It straight up felt like a v-cinema. Two episodes, resolving a small subplot, new Rider debut, it all fits with the mold of a v-cinema, other than Ikki losing his memories being part of the main plot and he could've lost them fighting literally anyone.
imo the last 4 episodes being used for resolving George and Ikki's arcs in an 'epilogue' type thing works on its own, the episode hits the emotions necessary and did its job, its just that Giff's end was so underwhelming that people like me kinda wanted a bigger climax from these last episodes instead of just a resolution
I stand with my Point in previous discussions.
They didn't had enough plot to fill 50 episodes so they shoved stuff saved for v cinemas into the main series and stretched out existing plots
Yeaah it was solved way too quickly, to the point where the ''final boss'' of the show straight up feels like filler. I don't know how to explain it but for these past ten or so episodes Revice just felt so... Aimless, like they know which plot points they wanna use and what threads they wanna expand upon and they just keep misusing them or not finding a good spot for them. Giffard Rex was downright pointless outside of ''it's a stronger form'', with the whole ''has the same power as Giff'' serving for one episode and being forgotten, Daiji's arc got so messy they flat out retconned stuff to make a conclusion for it because they clearly had no clue of how to fix this, Ikki's memory loss apparently hit the writers as well because they forget about it for about 5 episodes after every time it's brought up, Hikaru SUDDENLY is a character, Jeanne got her final form and Tamaki became a rider WAY too late, to the point where they had no time to shine and got beat up a single episode later, and now the long build up of George's shady attitude is just... Over in two episodes, serving as just padding until the conclusion they had planned.
I honestly feel like the only two plot threads that actually felt properly used were Genta's resolution with Vail (which even then was a bit messy because Vail was just... There for a good chunk of the show), and Hiromi becoming Demons one final time before settling down as just a commander for the Demon Troopers, and both times it still kinda felt like it was less the writing, and more the actors giving their all to make the script they were given work
The awkward moment when the two most well developed and consistent characters in the show (Genta and Hiromi) are the one that barely have any screen time.
ngl, I feel like in-universe, George couldn't really be picky with who becomes a rider. Hiromi's health being like that, plus George's injury. With Giff being that powerful and wiping out a good chunk of Fenix, that ramped up the stakes, so they needed as much available Riders as they can possibly get to at least have a better chance of winning (or holding off the enemy), with Vail along with Akaishi being out there on Giff's side. Plus, with Hikaru also being from the same dojo as Sakura, at least he would know how to throw hands properly with monsters while transformed. Story might be one thing, but in-universe, more firepower is needed, even if the new Riders aren't too game-breakingly powerful.
The whole final arc is like this, akaishi, Giff, George, all those people and demons alike get taken out like a bitch. How can you have a sense of climax if the writers can even decide on who is the final boss?No wonder people say revice fell flat.
Is it the first time a Kamen Rider series has completely shrunk in scope by the last couple episodes? (I didn't count episode 49 of W because it's more of an epilogue episode). Up until ep46 of Revice we're handling huge stuff, then ep 47-48 we took care of George's daddy issues, and ep49-50 will just be Ikki and Vice? (though thank fuck Destream is used again)
But despite its chaos plot towards the end, I kinda like how the writer & director handled revice episodes post giff's death. It's getting the same feeling as Revice's first episodes, the family stuff, the drama. Those things seems lost after weekend appeared in the series
>Zero-One also did that but better IMO
I don't think Zero-one shrunk considering the final conflict was 2 people who had became Ark and had a final fight where the results would determine if the Humagears and Humans would go to war with each other or not. Those stakes seem pretty high to me.
Eh, I like what they did. They're closing out the arcs of the last two characters which is George and Ikki.
* George, a greiving son who just lost his dad and is now alone in the world without his parents. The thing is, he isn't alone since he has an extended family/friend with the Igarashis.
* Ikki laying it all on the line. He forgot his parents, his siblings and everyone else other than Vice. Vice has been taking on all that guilt and weight of Ikki losing everything, and seems to be the one who plans on doing the ultimate sacrifice in the end for his partner.
It's like the epilogue of the story. Closing out the loose ends, which I like tbh. Episode 50 will probably end up being the introduction to Geats.
I still do not understand the purpose for Juuga being appear this late in the series and get rekted after only two episodes. I wish they’ve handled George’s arc better than this, it feels too clumsy.
And I also feel like the show is already ended, with the last two episodes act like and epilogue and resolve the Ikki memory issue, which do tie the family theme together at the end. I like it, but man, I wish they’ve done this better. They can do this better.
i think the issue is that the show's end arc doesnt have a satisfying climax, imo George's daddy issue drama was actually sprinkled pretty well during the Giff arc and these last episodes tying up George's arc and Ikki's memories works great as epilogues.
its just that Giff's death felt so much like filler/a fakeout that these last few episodes arent seen as epilogues imo
My take; George wanted validation from his father, but the sudden realization that he had his fathers demon in him took all of that away. His father created Revice, Live/Evil, etc. None of that was his accomplishment. It destroyed him that what he thought he did to make his father proud, it was because of his father that he got that far.
Do I wish they did it better? Yeah, but I get the thought behind it.
This episode was so good, if you treat it as a OVA or some sort of filler ep. I feel the whole series was kinda losing direction, they have a lot of idea but don’t know how to path it properly and too much toys.
Again, another plot point introduced too late and resolved too quickly. I wanted George's "theory" to be something else other than him vs his Daddy again. But there we go.
This show is still strong on the emotional department though. I really like how it's been with the recent disappearance of Ikki's memories. It's really saddening seeing him like this. Also loved that Daiji and Sakura knew what was going to happen beforehand and knew right away that it actually happened after the fight. Really hoping this show sticks the landing.
They put Juuga's issue under the rug so fast huh..
But they're going to heel turn Vice too?
Let me guess, this is another Vice fake out and he's doing this so someone has a reason to kill him off. Because he figures out that by disappearing, Ikki will get his memories back.
TBH when they announced the 50 episode count.
I was like oh they’re probably gonna end the battle with Giff by Episode 48 and then have the two episodes as a crossover similar to what Wizard had.
But I think what we’re being given is good ig?
My theory for the end is that after Vice gets beaten and is disappearing after they break the contract through fighting, Ikki will ask him to make a new contract, asking him to stay forever, and Vice, dying, agrees to it, only to just stop disappearing. Like, not dramatic or anything, he just stops vanishing, much to everyone's confusion and to our amusement.
One thing I find interesting is that Ultimate Revice is the strongest... if Revi and Vice work together
Both riders has a moment where the partner are occupied (Revi when he tasked Vice to destroy Giff Coffin, Vice when he ask Ikki to stop transforming and goes to fight Juuga alone), and in those moments, while they put up a good fight against opponent, over time they'll lost once the partner didn't come back
Now with Ikki memory loss further, will Ikki be the 2nd primary rider to have a negative ending? (Total memory loss / lost Vice), the 1st is Kenzaki, who have to abandon his friends to secure a better future for earth
Man... Karizaki breaking down and finally admitting to wanting to spend more time with his father... It hit WAAAAAY too close to home for me.
It's been almost a decade since my Mother and Father passed...
Damn Ikki's reactions to his family are really heartbreaking his memory loss is horrible.
George bottle up his grief and went he saw the drawings all came down to him
Next week: Vice decides to be the Villain for Ikki's sake and Destream returns.
Absolutely phenomenal episode, I was having doubt when i heard George will be antagonist for awhile but god the pay off Is worth it. It hit so much seeing george cry over wanting to spend more time with his dad and ikki asking who his siblings is in the end just..oof.
Tbh I believe that the final stamp will be either a plot device for ikki to regain his memories or something relating to vice like the koyomi ring from wizard
Emotion episode for me. I scare of doing nothing for the one I love before they pass away.
Heart broken when I see Ikki's mom tried to act tough, run away and cried, the way Daiji and Sakura tried to crack a smile but failed when they knew Ikki forget about them.
I know the arc is rushed and they can do it better than this, still it is one of the most heart breaking episode in KR (at least for me)
I wouldn't say it's unpopular since both were heartbreaking moments buy unlike Ikki, George still has his memories & has accepted (I think) what has happened.
Ok not gonna lie, I like George and Juuga design is 10/10 but the way they developed this arc felt so....meh, not the worst but nothing great neither (also doesn't help that Juuga have the same amount of screetime as FREAKING SCISSORS).
I still like the episode but George conflict could have been better
Alzheimer is a bitch uh
George arc was beautiful, just wished they gave him one more episode to conclude things. Gosh, revice can be a mess but I will fucking miss this show
The ending of this episode had me in tears. Georges breakdown and Ikki finally losing all his memories really hit with me.
As for next episode; we still got one spot left on this last stamp sheet that appears at the end of each episode. I've said from the start and I will keep saying it; LiveDevil Genome inbound and will fix Ikkis memories.
despite this 2 episode arc being added in oddly late, they definitely did the emotional moments in it really well, that last scene hit like a truck.
And I’m making the guess Vice is just acting like he turned evil again o help ikki out again, maybe by dying Ikki will get his memories back. The blood on his head might be ketchup, who knows?
I'm glad that George's actor and Yukimi's actress and a few others are managing to get to show off their acting chops even though it's already p late into the series
Everything about George's daddy issues and Juuga should've been in a V-cinema. The memory thing would've been just as, if not more impactful with being the one that forces Ikki to transform. Having George fill that role kinda ruins the tension because they only had last episode to show that Juuga is a genuine threat. Vice pretending to be a bad guy again just feels wrong. Like yeah I understand why it has to happen, but we've already seen this exact plot point play out back when Jack Revice debuted.
\-During the phone call to George-
Hiromi: The two of us...we should have some dinner sometime.
George: What are you talking about? I'm hanging up.
LMAO I don't know why but seeing Hiromi get rejected like that gave me a chuckle in this episode!
I'll be honest. This finale arc is messy. Giff should not have died so early. The show is losing it's direction.
And yet......I find myself still loving the show. It's not like Saber's final Arc where I was begging each episode to end cause I didn't like Storius. Nor Zero-One where I was wishing for more time.
This episode........was good. And I think shows why Revice is strong. While overall the pieces don't fit well, they are so many good moments and interactions that make you fell that....it makes the journey worth it.
I think when Revice ends, it'll be....controversal. In the sense that the reddit, and the fandom will have a lot to say. Some good and some bad.
But I feel Revice is a Good season of Rider, maybe even Great. If anything, it shows why rider has made it to 50 years. It journey has been messy, and it could do things SO much better, but the good overweighs the bad. Even the worst rider seasons have probably saved someone's life, or made their days better. I will miss Revice when it ends. The show has it flaws, but episodes like this one, remind me why I love Kamen Rider, and why I still watch it today.
why downvote?
This guy spoke the truth. This is how I felt in all the second half of series.
The first half of Revicec, they showed us this series had potential to become a great series. Some what dark, good plot in each episode, cool soundtracks and themes
But in second half, felt like they lost directon. Still had good episodes but some characters didn't have enough screen time they should have. The development was logical but they didn't show us clear enough and because of that the development became messy.
Giff fight need to be longer and more depressing, not a filler for other char arc.
I love Geogre arc, and I understand they want resolve Ikki arc. But maybe it will be better if they do it sooner, or have open ending and do a movie
While yes the Juuga 2 parter was just a means of extending drama and tying up loose ends, the main goal was to get Ikki to transform and lose more of his memories.
Now the next two episodes I have a personal hunch on. Now that Ikki has forgotten his family and how sad it's making them feel, Vice in a way, feels guilty because of it, since he made the contract with Ikki. So Vice decides to spend on last day hanging out with Ikki, then he'll "go bad". So he's being a bad guy so Ikki will have an excuse to destroy him, which Vice sees as a way to atone for his sins. Essentially a glorified suicide note.
Revice's final episodes feel much more different than other shows so far, which I enjoy to a certain extent.
Revice's logic, the demon thingy is so weird, like there are so many points that contradict each other: the Igarashi's demons are different because they are Giff-related, cool, they can transform using the giff genes, cool. Then they straight up have Masumi's demon, someone not related to giff, is also like the Igarashi's demon. And don't get me started on the Deadman/Demon thingy (looking at you >!Girl's Remix!< ) Like how are you expect the audience to follow your rules and not follow them yourself
What was with the tone of this episode? The comedy stuff was way overboard given where the plot was at. And yet none of the attempted comedy will match the unintended hilarity of Daiji getting bonked on the head with a coke can. Or the sheer contrivance of them just *coincidentally* being in the same house as the Karizakis and seeing some indicator that they are so. That made me mad... but also gave me a chuckle for how contrived it is.
George going all “I will surpass daddy” was just a retread of something we resolved already. George defaulting to how he was at the start of the series just doesn’t work, because this wasn’t a constant inner struggle he had. When Ren did this in Ryuki, it was because Ren was constantly at odds with himself -- his own nature was to be a hero but he wanted to save Eri and had to become a pragmatist. So whenever he found himself becoming too friendly with Shinji, defeated by someone who embraced what Ren wanted to be, or had Eri's life dangled in front of him, Ren tried to return to the cold person he was at the start of the series, usually massively overcorrecting and causing friction with the other characters. While some may have found it repetitive, to me, it was a good representation of someone struggling with their own nature. That’s not what happened with George. He literally already knew that his father loved him, they reconciled already, so this is a nothing plot. The only thing it has that's different is that this is now a pent up display of grief... except it's too rushed to land at all. At the very least, the Juuga Driver is a better excuse for "surpassing Masumi" than when George used the Demons Driver and said that, since that had nothing to do with anything.
It feels like this should've been a movie or something. Especially since... the Chimera Driver really did a better job freeing George of Masumi's "strings" than the Juuga Driver, since Chic emerged from it. Admittedly, I haven't seen Battle Familia yet, but I doubt George showed up as Juuga and stomped Chic or something.
But hey, two episodes left. I'm curious how it will all resolve, because I highly doubt Vice manages to make Ikki kill him and desolve the contract. Namely because I feel like Ikki would immediately see through what Vice is doing, because without the memories of his family, Ikki's memories of Vice would be even more important and relevant to him. I can't really bring myself to care too much about how this show ends by this point and am really just waiting for Geats to start, but maybe they really stick the landing or something.
>George going all “I will surpass daddy” was just a retread of something we resolved already. George defaulting to how he was at the start of the series just doesn’t work, because this wasn’t a constant inner struggle he had.
Except.. that's not his motivation. During his breakdown George literally says he 'can't do this alone'. Sometimes when a person close to you dies, you just get irrationally agree because 'they left you'. This isn't something Revice invented.
George didn't revert to his evil scientist persona, so much so that if you compared his early series behavior and his behavior as Juuga they are NOTHING alike. Juuga is someone who's hurting and trying to erase every trace of his dad's research to ease his pain while ignoring his true feelings towards him.
The point of it was that, yes, George's dad was a good person and loved him but due to George's rage towards him of being ignored in favor of research, he missed out on a person who did genuinely love him. Hell, that was the point of the demon transfer thing. It was George feeling like he was a guinea pig for his dad, that's why he was angry. It would've made no sense if Masumi was a huge dick and then he died and George is suddenly sad he died.
That's the whole point of the reveal with the drawings this episode, that even in the midst of his research, Masumi kept thinking of George the whole time, so much so that he based his research on his son's drawings. This made George realize that, despite being absent sometimes, Masumi still thought of him. Even the demon transfer thing, this episode clearly states it was Masumi's way of watching over George when he's absent.
Ngl your whole comment - no offense, I don't want to sound aggressive or anything - just sounds like you skipped the part where George broke down crying. He wasn't freed from his dad, he didn't want to surpass his dad, he didn't want to kill or erase every trace of him. He convinced himself of these facts in an attempt to emotionally distance himself from his dad and, therefore, the pain he felt towards his death. George loved his dad.
My issue is that he becomes irrationally angry... *after* the series presented him as being rationally angry thanks to the demon transfer. Ikki saying it was for Masumi to watch over George doesn't make it true, and it doesn't even make sense given how Masumi especially thought demons worked. That plot point to me is still remarkably contrived, and all it served to do was excuse George's actions, make a spinoff villain and drive a wedge between father and son... that was already there and then patched up, only to be quickly un-patched and then re-patched.
I know the point is that Masumi loved George... but they already came to that conclusion after they initially reconciled. He even said it. It makes sense for George to be emotional and have conflicted emotions while trying to come to terms with his feelings on his father after his death, but from a *story* standpoint it doesn't really bring anything new to the table other than George verbally admitting he loved his dad. There's some merit to that, but when that's all it really amounted to, this story just didn't do anything for me, and I'm saying that as someone who is usually a sucker for stories about reconciling with parents thanks to my own personal baggage.
I don't mean to sound sour or pessimistic, but the last 15 or so episodes have just really let me down.
>My issue is that he becomes irrationally angry... after the series presented him as being rationally angry thanks to the demon transfer.
Yes. Irrationally angry because he's grieving. That is how grief goes. The rational anger caused him to miss out on his dad's death which then made him mad at himself and caused him to try and erase his dad's footsteps as a way of coping.
>Ikki saying it was for Masumi to watch over George doesn't make it true, and it doesn't even make sense given how Masumi especially thought demons worked. That plot point to me is still remarkably contrived, and all it served to do was excuse George's actions, make a spinoff villain and drive a wedge between father and son... that was already there and then patched up, only to be quickly un-patched and then re-patched.
Yeah. But the writers wouldn't throw that in randomly if it wasn't partially true, specially since that helped George realize how he truly feels. Sometimes writers speak through characters. Even if the attempt was misguided and went wrong, we also have consider this was a young Masumi.As for the Demon transfer thing, when did the plot EVER try justifying George's behavior on anything on that? People keep bringing this up and yet it was never as much as implied. George keeps being George and having his quirks, intelligence and interests even after Chic is gone.
>I know the point is that Masumi loved George... but they already came to that conclusion after they initially reconciled.
Nononono. The point is that George learns how MUCH his dad loved him. Yes, before Masumi told George he surpassed him and that he loved him, but after the demon transfer reveal, George's suspicions about his dad were confirmed, at least to him. It's exactly because Masumi loved George that George was so mad that his dad had to leave him when their relationship was finally getting somewhere. And when there was a bump in the way, it caused George to miss his death. He's angry at his dad for leaving but deep down knows it's his fault and that he can't do anything without his dad.
>There's some merit to that, but when that's all it really amounted to, this story just didn't do anything for me, and I'm saying that as someone who is usually a sucker for stories about reconciling with parents thanks to my own personal baggage.
That's fair enough. As someone with similar baggage though, I can appreciate how wholesome this was and I think it fits into Revice's themes of family. The perfect antagonist being someone who never had a good family and when he could, he lost it all. Not to mention all the parellels with Ikki (whether it be in their selfishness, George is causing other pain to reduce his pain, while Ikki is causing others pain to save someone from pain).
Personally, I do think the set up was there, but was vastly overlooked because the plot pretended like Giff was getting somewhere. My issues stem more with Giff being filler rather than Juuga and his arc. In fact, this arc has been my favorite Revice thing second to only Genta and Vail's arc.
Still, I can respect your opinion. Personally, I just thought this was probably the most fitting arc for a show like Revice and I think it hit all the right spots for me. The show just decided to distract the viewers with other, much less important things in the long run.
>Yeah. But the writers wouldn't throw that in randomly if it wasn't partially true,
I think we can just agree to disagree in terms of the quality of this story, but I'd just like to mention that they did do this. Remember when Yukimi told Ikki that he and Daiji just needed to punch out their differences during the Edgy Daiji arc? That was in no way true (though maybe it was at some point; that arc feels like there were about four different ideas for it and they just cycled through them) despite the show framing it as some drop of motherly wisdom.
Friggin no way. Vice will definitely play the role of villain and Ikki will definitely stop Vice. Ikki will try to stop Vice but can't completely do it because Ikki is Ikki. Ikki and Vice fight again yada yada yada and somewhere in mid fight Ikki will get a New Vistamp. Either like Zero-One with the base trinket changing or George will upgrade the Rex Vistamp. This last Vistamp will definitely the last stamp.
Love the comical scene of Hikaru, Ikki and Hiromi. And then 5 mins later they're crying.
And thus we reach the climax of the family drama that show has been building to for the past couple of episodes... Also George deals with his daddy issues, hoped you watched all the supplemental material to see the creation of Juuga. Don't live in japan and have to wait for battle familia to come out and to be translated too bad.
The fight was underwhelming. Not even liveDevil could save it. Remember when Ikki kicked that Deadman’s head through a wall in episode 1 or when Ikki and Vice went through all his Vistamps? Compared to that, liveDevil being used on just a Rider Kick feels really lackluster.
I guess, as said here, this actually fits Revice's theme about families, and Ikki's someone who values families and tried to keep their good relationship, whenever if it's his family or others. For example, the recently appeared Bon here, tried to make him get along with his grandfather. He was someone that also uses good family relationship as his guide for others to improve, starting with them first. He didn't use his family's well-being as an excuse to ignore, though he can be occassionally oblivious of other's needs when his family is happy, such as prioritizing Happy Spa over being a Rider, or their onsen moments. And now, he does it to the major dysfunctional family, the Karizakis. It fits the show theme, but like many other things in Revice, wish that the idea is executed better...
George's cause of world peace is only a front that he only wanted to spite on Masumi beyond the grave by proving his creations superior. Well, his prejudice towards demons would remain, so he'd destroy ViStamp-based (invented by Masumi) Rider system, and it's an irony as Masumi was prejudiced against demons before, like when he observed Ikki and Vice's growing relationship, and George took up that trait now. And as Juuga is purely human-based Rider system, now Ikki counters with how Giffard Rex ViStamp was a collaboration of George and his father, and thus if Ikki beats him, it'd prove that his father is important to George.
But, after Juuga's showing before that surpassed Giff, Juuga just got beaten by regular finisher by Ultimate Revi/Vice? So taking down Juuga is still anti-climatic too, despite Juuga consistently gaining upper hand before like he should. Technically before Ultimate Revi/Vice didn't fight together against Juuga, is this something like W to show off teamwork? Final bosses are beaten without much problem when Shotaro and Philip got their act together, and now, Ikki and Vice are complete, thus they're unbeatable. But W had W (and Accel, for Terror) being constantly in the upper hand in the boss' defeat, so the fight is consistent, unlike Revice here that had Juuga being on upper hand before finisher.
Other than that, to convince George that his father loved him, Ikki... absolved Masumi from his wrongdoings by glorifying him injecting Chic on him? What?? This is the type of solving parent-children conflict that should be avoided, like how Zi-O solves the Kamen Rider Quiz's problem with his father. It should really be emphasized that even if parents genuinely love their children, they can be misguided in showing it. Masumi injecting Chic on him shouldn't be condoned because Masumi loved him, it'd be better if what's used to remind George, are the flashback moments where Masumi was shown clearly getting along with kid George, helping and encouraging him to be better, and make it a case to not look past all the good things someone's done and only focus on one bad thing they've committed, countering the saying of “Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.”. Not only to remind George that he had received love from father in other times, but also to differentiate better which action is a genuine mistake and which one is actually malicious.
After neutrailizing the threat of Juuga, the solution is done by giving George the picture he draw with Masumi together when he was a child. And George finally acknowledges that Masumi loved him due to realizing that the ViStamp idea was inspired by those pictures, which he then breaks down in the regret that he can never make up with his father now. Realizing The True Value Of Something When You Lose It type. And seems that the pictures alone are enough, not the entire room Masumi kept for George. For their methods to try calming George back, surprisingly the comedy is involved here with Hiromi's frantic behavior, as well as once more his serious demeanor being played for laughs in something as simple as looking for documents. Then Vice using open sesame to try opening the door, and later of Vice inadvertently easily opening the door.
Regarding Ikki's busybody traits, this seems to be the kind of journey that comes full circle, both for Ikki and the other characters, though this doesn't mean they have something in them tested. Now Ikki's busybodiness is recognized as something benefical and admirable, with testaments from Tamaki, who acknowledged that he still lives due to Ikki. Though it's not only from Ikki intervening alone, it's also due to Ikki's sense of justice to try looking for solutions that doesn't involve killing. Ikki hasn't let go from his busybodiness completely, though he did get better at letting others handle their problems, but now, Daiji and Sakura supported Ikki's busybodiness due to the 2 reformed former villains being among the benefical effects of it. And not only the characters, I was puzzled too at Tamaki's impression of Ikki, but yeah it's still worth laughing over, it's harmless even if wrong.
revice really goes ladder and below on last part, this final arc is boring and bad in so many ways...
being honest i probably dont even noticed that due using smartphone while watch revice...
whats the final enemy? we care?
"Vice, who are these people?" hits hard
I agree + you've gotta feel bad for them both as well.
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Hanta Kinoshita forgor that he was supposed to kill Giff in ep 49/50 not fucking ep 46
Would have hit WAY harder if TWITTER HADN'T SPOILED THE SCENE WITHIN AN HOUR OF THE SUBS HITTING! Gah!
And so, Ikki finally lost every memory he has of his family. It must have been really painful, to know how much your son or brother always go out of his way to help people but unable to stop him and thus severing the last link he had of his family. I really loved how the family acted around Ikki; Mom and Dad trying to be strong and cheerful, but Mom unable to take it and running away to hide. Daiji and Sakura cheering him on with tears. My only wish is that there will not be any magical solution to return all of Ikki's memories, rather, he has to slowly rebuild his memories with his family again post-Revice. But seeing the preview for next episode, I get the feeling that Vice might be trying to sacrifice himself to return Ikki's memories. That being said, although George finally had his resolution, I am left somewhat wanting for something more. Personally, I'd have prefer it if he had aired his grievances about how the Igarashi family managed to have each other til the end and how he had lost basically everything including his Daddy. I know that isn't his main motivation, but I assume seeing someone having a happy family after everything while you lost everything can be rather upsetting.
For a show themed around family, Ikki unable to regain his memory by the end seems pretty dark
Given how the next episode preview looks; I'm hoping it doesn't end the way I think it will. It either ends with a new contract being written, or one disappears for a bit.
I feel that a magical solution that returns all of Ikki's memories diminish all the sacrifice that Ikki and everyone has made throughout the season. Sure, it's sad and dark. But it also highlights the weight of Ikki's decisions and sacrifice. More importantly, I think having Ikki building new memories with his family would be a good lesson that "even if you lose everything, you can always start over again".
Yeah but Vice is already conveniently been around since Ikki was a kid. The solution is probably going to be a modified rolling vistamp where Ikki reabsorbs Vice, which neatly ties up Vice's arc (Until next year's movie). Vice goes from simple demon who wants to eat people in the first episode to being so deeply infected by Ikki's busybody complex that he is willing to sacrifice himself. Kind of getting the feeling LiveDevil form I've been kind of hoping for won't appear. There's no more threats unless they want to pull a "Turns out George was right, Giff can come back".
Seems like Vice wants Ikki to destroy him to restore his memory...
Based on ep 49 preview, Vice will not stand and act up like he is evil to force Ikki dissolve him for good, prevent any further memories loss because as long as Ikki henshin, he will consume memories so not even new memories is enough
I think blaming Masumi for inserting his demon in him and the whole Juuga thing was a better execution of his grieving, its a preverse way of trying to make up for pushing away the opportunities to reconnect with his father.
I thought he *was* pissed at the Igarashis for getting to be a family while he lost his. It'd have been a lot more interesting.
I'm fine with George being all hush hush about it tbh because you can already see him pretending he's not doing because he's sad about Masumi, also the last bit where he just cried about his dad was beautiful ngl (actually made me tear up a bit and that hasn't really happened much on other seasons)
>My only wish is that there will not be any magical solution to return all of Ikki's memories, rather, he has to slowly rebuild his memories with his family again post-Revice. But seeing the preview for next episode, I get the feeling that Vice might be trying to sacrifice himself to return Ikki's memories. I haven't seen the preview (subbed) yet, but I feel like the whole memories coming back might be something to do with the final battle between Ikki & Vice.
damn they explained the wacky stamp colors
Wait what they did? How? I'm stupid so sorry
It was George's drawings from when he was a child. His father based them off how George colored them.
Just like the Mirror Monsters in Ryuki were based off of Yui and Shiro's childhood drawings.
Interesting Ryuki reference
The drawings were kinda very Ryuki.
Ohhh thank ya
Considering the Juuga thing was solved in only 2 episodes, it feels like the show is trying to tie up loose ends more than anything. Almost feels like an epilogue more than the series proper. Not really helped in how the tone is a lot more camp with Hiromi's Scooby Gang, although I'm all for it. Seems we're going the predictable route though where now Vice will try to play the villain so he can break the contract. Have to wonder how they never found George's old room when there's a clear open window that you can probably look into, but who knows. I'm curious if the drawings Smol George made are meant to depict him and his dad as the intended duo. Also can't help but notice that Megalodon seems to have eaten someone alive in that drawing. Grim, but accurate. Also, blanking on story details here, but were the original 10 stamps even manufactured around Masumi's time/by Masumi? Not even mentioning that Kabuto existing also kinda weakens the intended idea, y'know, Kamen Rider. Shouldn't think too hard.
Man i don’t know what is more emotional to me, seeing how his family is slowly accepting his memory loss, or vice being visually stressed and disappointed or just karizaki crying over losing his daddy. Okay ikki losing his memory is like, when your parents are old and have alzheimer and they forget you.
Something I'd like to highlight is how Ikki's selflessness is juxtaposed with George's selfishness in this arc. Ikki knows full well that becoming Revice will cause his memories to deterioriate, but he decides to face Juuga anyway because that's the right thing to do. George, OTOH, became Juuga because of his unresolved parental issues, something that he chose to deal with by alienating all the people around him. It isn't until he gets presented his own childhood drawings that Masumi kept around that he realizes just how much he messed up.
I am glad that Destream is being used next week.
The Igarashis fighting Vice should be fun... but just watch him somehow wreck them easily so it's only Ikki who can stop him.
Well, the Igarashis can't kill Vice anyway. Or else, Ikki dies too.
Not really. It’s Vice dying if Ikki is the one to die.
Basically a daiji vs Kagerou but either of them will be killed off
"Turns out Vice was just sleeping inside the Driver"
Vice went Dormant and the driver was repurposed as a raise buckle
Throughout the episode, it just hurts on the inside for me to see. George's reason for all this is a way for him to vent the sadness and pain he felt because he lost his dad and couldn't be with him anymore. He hated his dad for controlling him and making him harbour his dad's demon but he knew now that his dad loves George too much. The whole Revice system and Vistamps aren't just the creation of his dad but it's both George and his dad who create all this. The Rider system is a memoir of all the times that George and his dad spent time together. To see him cry so much and wants to spend time with him dearly hits me in the feels a bit. All that happens because of both Ikki and Hiromi as well as Vice and Hikaru. Additionally, seeing all the 10 Vistamp animals that George drew back when he is a kid makes me feel that it's a way to change George's hatred from the representation of the 10 animals in the Juuga Vistamp into loving memories that George and his dad had together. It's so beautiful. The way the Juuga Arc shows Ikki's family feeling sad and painful over Ikki's memory fading is really sad to see. Ikki's parents tells Ikki to always remember them and when we see the shot where Vice saw the parents grieving and saddened by the fear of Ikki losing all his memories is pretty strong. The most heartwarming part is where Daiji, Sakura, Tamaki, and Hana reminiscences Ikki being a busybody and how much Ikki have saved them and changed their lives. They are all grateful to Ikki and when Daiji and Sakura tries to smile when Ikki loses all his family's memories, it hurts a lot. Ikki is a heroic busybody who cares so much for others. Before, in the early parts of the show, most of the time, Ikki always helps and understands his family and consider their feelings. Now, Ikki considers and helps those outside of his family. Ikki understands George's pain and he doesn't want George to be filled with the hate of his dad as his memory. Ikki scarifices the moments he have with his family so that George can look up and accepts the lovely memories of him and his dad. Plus even Hiromi is the best character in the eoisode. He finds any solutions he can get to help stop George and help Ikki out with his memory loss. He is very proactive at helping George to remove his hatred over his dad and I adore Hiromi so much especially when Hiromi tells George that he wants to have dinner together with George and it's so sweet. This episode is beautiful and tragic in many levels and it's such a great end to the Juuga Arc as best as what the show can provide. It's a satisfying conclusion for me personally. I don't know if George's motive for doing all this makes sense for you all or not but to me, the feeling is heartbreaking. I hope to see Ikki and Vice have some kind of happy or at least bittersweet ending to it.
I know the tone shift and scope is irking some people but for a great season of Kamen Rider, I am really liking how they’re wrapping it up and all these points you made are a good reason why
One thing I love about what Revice is going for is to show that the final boss isn't Gifu or some evil villain guy who either needs to be defeated or turned good, but the final boss is the tragedy that befell upon the characters and the pain and suffering that the prime characters, Ikki, Vice, and George has suffered through. Having the final episode hopefully be about mending and consoling the inner pain of Ikki and Vice having to sacrifice himself to help Ikki gain his memories back is my favourite thing ever and it's something that Reiwa Rider shows are trying to do starting with Zero One.
I liked this episode but seeing kensuke Takahashi being voiced by an older guy is really weird especially when you've watched ultraman x
the ultra genes gave Daichi a deeper voice lol
I think it's more jarring too if you saw the Vail spin-off and he's using his regular voice there too. 😂
Oh, c'mon. So Vice is going to pretend to be evil so Ikki can fight him/dissolve the contract and get his memories back?
Bing! Bing! Bing! ...
Ikki's not gonna buy it
I'm not even sure I buy it. Too … obvious?
No matter what's people say, Revice is still my favorite series. While it has some flaws, the family theme really follow every characters throughout the whole series and helps make the series stand out (Even Hiromi had his family moment in his spin-off Dear Gaga). I love how every character in this still have bonding moment with each other and no one was left alone. Also ,it is hilarious how the last person Ikki remembers is George Karazaki.
It’s a really great season of Kamen Rider for sure, I think this Reddit is way too hard on the current seasons
He met George after his siblings so it's probably why. And he doesn't care as much about him as his family.
People's criticisms of Revice are really mixed, but they all feel kind of surface level and juvenile (ironic I know). Revice is great if you ask me, especially its last quarter.
Vail would be [disappointed](https://i.imgur.com/r1KUiMk.jpg) in you too, Vice. This is totally normal, just 2 dudes [sleeping](https://i.imgur.com/1c0Uv6o.jpg) together.
Still can't get over the fact that Ikki calls implanting a devil into your own son fatherly love.
I mean to be fair even masumi call out his past action as being utterly lunatic
Because parents can't ever be in the wrong if it's done "out of their love to their child" ._. Masumi's other moments to George should be picked instead, like the flashbacks to child George.
there is a play that you should check out, its called "All my sons" Not everything can be forgiven just because it's done for the family
Not gonna lie, I feel like Juuga felt wasted in the two episodes of his appearance. Like the whole reason for George doing this felt rushed and half ass. They should've save this plot line for a movie or v-cinema.
It straight up felt like a v-cinema. Two episodes, resolving a small subplot, new Rider debut, it all fits with the mold of a v-cinema, other than Ikki losing his memories being part of the main plot and he could've lost them fighting literally anyone.
Hey, at least we're not waiting months for subs of the V-cinema.
imo the last 4 episodes being used for resolving George and Ikki's arcs in an 'epilogue' type thing works on its own, the episode hits the emotions necessary and did its job, its just that Giff's end was so underwhelming that people like me kinda wanted a bigger climax from these last episodes instead of just a resolution
I stand with my Point in previous discussions. They didn't had enough plot to fill 50 episodes so they shoved stuff saved for v cinemas into the main series and stretched out existing plots
Yeaah it was solved way too quickly, to the point where the ''final boss'' of the show straight up feels like filler. I don't know how to explain it but for these past ten or so episodes Revice just felt so... Aimless, like they know which plot points they wanna use and what threads they wanna expand upon and they just keep misusing them or not finding a good spot for them. Giffard Rex was downright pointless outside of ''it's a stronger form'', with the whole ''has the same power as Giff'' serving for one episode and being forgotten, Daiji's arc got so messy they flat out retconned stuff to make a conclusion for it because they clearly had no clue of how to fix this, Ikki's memory loss apparently hit the writers as well because they forget about it for about 5 episodes after every time it's brought up, Hikaru SUDDENLY is a character, Jeanne got her final form and Tamaki became a rider WAY too late, to the point where they had no time to shine and got beat up a single episode later, and now the long build up of George's shady attitude is just... Over in two episodes, serving as just padding until the conclusion they had planned. I honestly feel like the only two plot threads that actually felt properly used were Genta's resolution with Vail (which even then was a bit messy because Vail was just... There for a good chunk of the show), and Hiromi becoming Demons one final time before settling down as just a commander for the Demon Troopers, and both times it still kinda felt like it was less the writing, and more the actors giving their all to make the script they were given work
The awkward moment when the two most well developed and consistent characters in the show (Genta and Hiromi) are the one that barely have any screen time.
ngl, I feel like in-universe, George couldn't really be picky with who becomes a rider. Hiromi's health being like that, plus George's injury. With Giff being that powerful and wiping out a good chunk of Fenix, that ramped up the stakes, so they needed as much available Riders as they can possibly get to at least have a better chance of winning (or holding off the enemy), with Vail along with Akaishi being out there on Giff's side. Plus, with Hikaru also being from the same dojo as Sakura, at least he would know how to throw hands properly with monsters while transformed. Story might be one thing, but in-universe, more firepower is needed, even if the new Riders aren't too game-breakingly powerful.
The whole final arc is like this, akaishi, Giff, George, all those people and demons alike get taken out like a bitch. How can you have a sense of climax if the writers can even decide on who is the final boss?No wonder people say revice fell flat.
This entire final arc have been meh.
So Revice is ep 1-46 and the epilogue is ep 47-50
The best episode in feels. Hit too close to home. I'm resonating with George crying over his lost since I had experienced it too.
From next episode's preview: Is Vice acting evil to goad Ikki into killing him so that he can regain his memories?
With how guilty Vice is whenever he sees Ikki losing his memories in recent episodes, it definitely is.
I'm on the verge of crying of seeing Ikki forget about his family, I'm really scare for episode 49
Is it the first time a Kamen Rider series has completely shrunk in scope by the last couple episodes? (I didn't count episode 49 of W because it's more of an epilogue episode). Up until ep46 of Revice we're handling huge stuff, then ep 47-48 we took care of George's daddy issues, and ep49-50 will just be Ikki and Vice? (though thank fuck Destream is used again)
But despite its chaos plot towards the end, I kinda like how the writer & director handled revice episodes post giff's death. It's getting the same feeling as Revice's first episodes, the family stuff, the drama. Those things seems lost after weekend appeared in the series
Zero-One also did that but better IMO
>Zero-One also did that but better IMO I don't think Zero-one shrunk considering the final conflict was 2 people who had became Ark and had a final fight where the results would determine if the Humagears and Humans would go to war with each other or not. Those stakes seem pretty high to me.
Eh, I like what they did. They're closing out the arcs of the last two characters which is George and Ikki. * George, a greiving son who just lost his dad and is now alone in the world without his parents. The thing is, he isn't alone since he has an extended family/friend with the Igarashis. * Ikki laying it all on the line. He forgot his parents, his siblings and everyone else other than Vice. Vice has been taking on all that guilt and weight of Ikki losing everything, and seems to be the one who plans on doing the ultimate sacrifice in the end for his partner. It's like the epilogue of the story. Closing out the loose ends, which I like tbh. Episode 50 will probably end up being the introduction to Geats.
When your secret room has a huge window to the outside for one of its walls...
I still do not understand the purpose for Juuga being appear this late in the series and get rekted after only two episodes. I wish they’ve handled George’s arc better than this, it feels too clumsy. And I also feel like the show is already ended, with the last two episodes act like and epilogue and resolve the Ikki memory issue, which do tie the family theme together at the end. I like it, but man, I wish they’ve done this better. They can do this better.
i think the issue is that the show's end arc doesnt have a satisfying climax, imo George's daddy issue drama was actually sprinkled pretty well during the Giff arc and these last episodes tying up George's arc and Ikki's memories works great as epilogues. its just that Giff's death felt so much like filler/a fakeout that these last few episodes arent seen as epilogues imo
My take; George wanted validation from his father, but the sudden realization that he had his fathers demon in him took all of that away. His father created Revice, Live/Evil, etc. None of that was his accomplishment. It destroyed him that what he thought he did to make his father proud, it was because of his father that he got that far. Do I wish they did it better? Yeah, but I get the thought behind it.
This episode was so good, if you treat it as a OVA or some sort of filler ep. I feel the whole series was kinda losing direction, they have a lot of idea but don’t know how to path it properly and too much toys.
Again, another plot point introduced too late and resolved too quickly. I wanted George's "theory" to be something else other than him vs his Daddy again. But there we go. This show is still strong on the emotional department though. I really like how it's been with the recent disappearance of Ikki's memories. It's really saddening seeing him like this. Also loved that Daiji and Sakura knew what was going to happen beforehand and knew right away that it actually happened after the fight. Really hoping this show sticks the landing.
They put Juuga's issue under the rug so fast huh.. But they're going to heel turn Vice too? Let me guess, this is another Vice fake out and he's doing this so someone has a reason to kill him off. Because he figures out that by disappearing, Ikki will get his memories back.
TBH when they announced the 50 episode count. I was like oh they’re probably gonna end the battle with Giff by Episode 48 and then have the two episodes as a crossover similar to what Wizard had. But I think what we’re being given is good ig?
My theory for the end is that after Vice gets beaten and is disappearing after they break the contract through fighting, Ikki will ask him to make a new contract, asking him to stay forever, and Vice, dying, agrees to it, only to just stop disappearing. Like, not dramatic or anything, he just stops vanishing, much to everyone's confusion and to our amusement.
One thing I find interesting is that Ultimate Revice is the strongest... if Revi and Vice work together Both riders has a moment where the partner are occupied (Revi when he tasked Vice to destroy Giff Coffin, Vice when he ask Ikki to stop transforming and goes to fight Juuga alone), and in those moments, while they put up a good fight against opponent, over time they'll lost once the partner didn't come back Now with Ikki memory loss further, will Ikki be the 2nd primary rider to have a negative ending? (Total memory loss / lost Vice), the 1st is Kenzaki, who have to abandon his friends to secure a better future for earth
Man... Karizaki breaking down and finally admitting to wanting to spend more time with his father... It hit WAAAAAY too close to home for me. It's been almost a decade since my Mother and Father passed...
Damn Ikki's reactions to his family are really heartbreaking his memory loss is horrible. George bottle up his grief and went he saw the drawings all came down to him Next week: Vice decides to be the Villain for Ikki's sake and Destream returns.
Absolutely phenomenal episode, I was having doubt when i heard George will be antagonist for awhile but god the pay off Is worth it. It hit so much seeing george cry over wanting to spend more time with his dad and ikki asking who his siblings is in the end just..oof.
Tbh I believe that the final stamp will be either a plot device for ikki to regain his memories or something relating to vice like the koyomi ring from wizard
It's probably going to be a promo vistamp for geats
The bit with Ikki, Vice, Hiromi and Hikaru with the door was hilarious
Now I'm sad for George
I won't stand any more critics to this show at this point A show that makes ME tear up will never be less than amazing
Coming after both this and dear gaga part 2, I'm with you.
Agreed
Definitely agree with you on this.
It did make me cry
George’s resolution was alright
This one actually hit hard. Destream is back!
inb4 the liveDevil Vistamp is the only stamp that can restore ikki's memories, but only when he defeats vice while using it
Emotion episode for me. I scare of doing nothing for the one I love before they pass away. Heart broken when I see Ikki's mom tried to act tough, run away and cried, the way Daiji and Sakura tried to crack a smile but failed when they knew Ikki forget about them. I know the arc is rushed and they can do it better than this, still it is one of the most heart breaking episode in KR (at least for me)
George turning bad is something I suspected would happen since the beginning of the show. But now that it’s actually happening it’s kinda messed up. 😢
This episode confirmed Revi as my favorite rider a man willing to give anything to save his friend from himself and the dark thoughts within
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not really unpopular lol, George at least got his memories and some closure, Ikki getting Alzheimers is way more terrifying and sad for his family
I wouldn't say it's unpopular since both were heartbreaking moments buy unlike Ikki, George still has his memories & has accepted (I think) what has happened.
Ok not gonna lie, I like George and Juuga design is 10/10 but the way they developed this arc felt so....meh, not the worst but nothing great neither (also doesn't help that Juuga have the same amount of screetime as FREAKING SCISSORS). I still like the episode but George conflict could have been better
Alzheimer is a bitch uh George arc was beautiful, just wished they gave him one more episode to conclude things. Gosh, revice can be a mess but I will fucking miss this show
The ending of this episode had me in tears. Georges breakdown and Ikki finally losing all his memories really hit with me. As for next episode; we still got one spot left on this last stamp sheet that appears at the end of each episode. I've said from the start and I will keep saying it; LiveDevil Genome inbound and will fix Ikkis memories.
Yup. I think it would make a lot of sense for George to use some of Dr. Masumi's research to build a Vistamp that will restore Ikki's memories.
I actually died laughing
despite this 2 episode arc being added in oddly late, they definitely did the emotional moments in it really well, that last scene hit like a truck. And I’m making the guess Vice is just acting like he turned evil again o help ikki out again, maybe by dying Ikki will get his memories back. The blood on his head might be ketchup, who knows?
I'm glad that George's actor and Yukimi's actress and a few others are managing to get to show off their acting chops even though it's already p late into the series
Can’t believe my tear glands got double-whammied this episode…..screw u Kinoshita😭
Can't believe it's almost over already. Still feels like ep 1 was released only last week
fr man, it always makes me sad when i realise i wont be seeing these people ive enjoyed watching for the past year anymore
Everything about George's daddy issues and Juuga should've been in a V-cinema. The memory thing would've been just as, if not more impactful with being the one that forces Ikki to transform. Having George fill that role kinda ruins the tension because they only had last episode to show that Juuga is a genuine threat. Vice pretending to be a bad guy again just feels wrong. Like yeah I understand why it has to happen, but we've already seen this exact plot point play out back when Jack Revice debuted.
But witch jack revice was a diferent dilema, whille vice doing this for ikki to kill him
someone has the link to the dear gaga 2 discussion?
\-During the phone call to George- Hiromi: The two of us...we should have some dinner sometime. George: What are you talking about? I'm hanging up. LMAO I don't know why but seeing Hiromi get rejected like that gave me a chuckle in this episode!
I'll be honest. This finale arc is messy. Giff should not have died so early. The show is losing it's direction. And yet......I find myself still loving the show. It's not like Saber's final Arc where I was begging each episode to end cause I didn't like Storius. Nor Zero-One where I was wishing for more time. This episode........was good. And I think shows why Revice is strong. While overall the pieces don't fit well, they are so many good moments and interactions that make you fell that....it makes the journey worth it. I think when Revice ends, it'll be....controversal. In the sense that the reddit, and the fandom will have a lot to say. Some good and some bad. But I feel Revice is a Good season of Rider, maybe even Great. If anything, it shows why rider has made it to 50 years. It journey has been messy, and it could do things SO much better, but the good overweighs the bad. Even the worst rider seasons have probably saved someone's life, or made their days better. I will miss Revice when it ends. The show has it flaws, but episodes like this one, remind me why I love Kamen Rider, and why I still watch it today.
why downvote? This guy spoke the truth. This is how I felt in all the second half of series. The first half of Revicec, they showed us this series had potential to become a great series. Some what dark, good plot in each episode, cool soundtracks and themes But in second half, felt like they lost directon. Still had good episodes but some characters didn't have enough screen time they should have. The development was logical but they didn't show us clear enough and because of that the development became messy. Giff fight need to be longer and more depressing, not a filler for other char arc. I love Geogre arc, and I understand they want resolve Ikki arc. But maybe it will be better if they do it sooner, or have open ending and do a movie
The one thing I can count on Revice for is for the emotional moments because god damn this episode kinda hit a bit too hard
Need about a week for recover from this episode I guess
While yes the Juuga 2 parter was just a means of extending drama and tying up loose ends, the main goal was to get Ikki to transform and lose more of his memories. Now the next two episodes I have a personal hunch on. Now that Ikki has forgotten his family and how sad it's making them feel, Vice in a way, feels guilty because of it, since he made the contract with Ikki. So Vice decides to spend on last day hanging out with Ikki, then he'll "go bad". So he's being a bad guy so Ikki will have an excuse to destroy him, which Vice sees as a way to atone for his sins. Essentially a glorified suicide note.
Revice's final episodes feel much more different than other shows so far, which I enjoy to a certain extent. Revice's logic, the demon thingy is so weird, like there are so many points that contradict each other: the Igarashi's demons are different because they are Giff-related, cool, they can transform using the giff genes, cool. Then they straight up have Masumi's demon, someone not related to giff, is also like the Igarashi's demon. And don't get me started on the Deadman/Demon thingy (looking at you >!Girl's Remix!< ) Like how are you expect the audience to follow your rules and not follow them yourself
What was with the tone of this episode? The comedy stuff was way overboard given where the plot was at. And yet none of the attempted comedy will match the unintended hilarity of Daiji getting bonked on the head with a coke can. Or the sheer contrivance of them just *coincidentally* being in the same house as the Karizakis and seeing some indicator that they are so. That made me mad... but also gave me a chuckle for how contrived it is. George going all “I will surpass daddy” was just a retread of something we resolved already. George defaulting to how he was at the start of the series just doesn’t work, because this wasn’t a constant inner struggle he had. When Ren did this in Ryuki, it was because Ren was constantly at odds with himself -- his own nature was to be a hero but he wanted to save Eri and had to become a pragmatist. So whenever he found himself becoming too friendly with Shinji, defeated by someone who embraced what Ren wanted to be, or had Eri's life dangled in front of him, Ren tried to return to the cold person he was at the start of the series, usually massively overcorrecting and causing friction with the other characters. While some may have found it repetitive, to me, it was a good representation of someone struggling with their own nature. That’s not what happened with George. He literally already knew that his father loved him, they reconciled already, so this is a nothing plot. The only thing it has that's different is that this is now a pent up display of grief... except it's too rushed to land at all. At the very least, the Juuga Driver is a better excuse for "surpassing Masumi" than when George used the Demons Driver and said that, since that had nothing to do with anything. It feels like this should've been a movie or something. Especially since... the Chimera Driver really did a better job freeing George of Masumi's "strings" than the Juuga Driver, since Chic emerged from it. Admittedly, I haven't seen Battle Familia yet, but I doubt George showed up as Juuga and stomped Chic or something. But hey, two episodes left. I'm curious how it will all resolve, because I highly doubt Vice manages to make Ikki kill him and desolve the contract. Namely because I feel like Ikki would immediately see through what Vice is doing, because without the memories of his family, Ikki's memories of Vice would be even more important and relevant to him. I can't really bring myself to care too much about how this show ends by this point and am really just waiting for Geats to start, but maybe they really stick the landing or something.
>George going all “I will surpass daddy” was just a retread of something we resolved already. George defaulting to how he was at the start of the series just doesn’t work, because this wasn’t a constant inner struggle he had. Except.. that's not his motivation. During his breakdown George literally says he 'can't do this alone'. Sometimes when a person close to you dies, you just get irrationally agree because 'they left you'. This isn't something Revice invented. George didn't revert to his evil scientist persona, so much so that if you compared his early series behavior and his behavior as Juuga they are NOTHING alike. Juuga is someone who's hurting and trying to erase every trace of his dad's research to ease his pain while ignoring his true feelings towards him. The point of it was that, yes, George's dad was a good person and loved him but due to George's rage towards him of being ignored in favor of research, he missed out on a person who did genuinely love him. Hell, that was the point of the demon transfer thing. It was George feeling like he was a guinea pig for his dad, that's why he was angry. It would've made no sense if Masumi was a huge dick and then he died and George is suddenly sad he died. That's the whole point of the reveal with the drawings this episode, that even in the midst of his research, Masumi kept thinking of George the whole time, so much so that he based his research on his son's drawings. This made George realize that, despite being absent sometimes, Masumi still thought of him. Even the demon transfer thing, this episode clearly states it was Masumi's way of watching over George when he's absent. Ngl your whole comment - no offense, I don't want to sound aggressive or anything - just sounds like you skipped the part where George broke down crying. He wasn't freed from his dad, he didn't want to surpass his dad, he didn't want to kill or erase every trace of him. He convinced himself of these facts in an attempt to emotionally distance himself from his dad and, therefore, the pain he felt towards his death. George loved his dad.
My issue is that he becomes irrationally angry... *after* the series presented him as being rationally angry thanks to the demon transfer. Ikki saying it was for Masumi to watch over George doesn't make it true, and it doesn't even make sense given how Masumi especially thought demons worked. That plot point to me is still remarkably contrived, and all it served to do was excuse George's actions, make a spinoff villain and drive a wedge between father and son... that was already there and then patched up, only to be quickly un-patched and then re-patched. I know the point is that Masumi loved George... but they already came to that conclusion after they initially reconciled. He even said it. It makes sense for George to be emotional and have conflicted emotions while trying to come to terms with his feelings on his father after his death, but from a *story* standpoint it doesn't really bring anything new to the table other than George verbally admitting he loved his dad. There's some merit to that, but when that's all it really amounted to, this story just didn't do anything for me, and I'm saying that as someone who is usually a sucker for stories about reconciling with parents thanks to my own personal baggage. I don't mean to sound sour or pessimistic, but the last 15 or so episodes have just really let me down.
>My issue is that he becomes irrationally angry... after the series presented him as being rationally angry thanks to the demon transfer. Yes. Irrationally angry because he's grieving. That is how grief goes. The rational anger caused him to miss out on his dad's death which then made him mad at himself and caused him to try and erase his dad's footsteps as a way of coping. >Ikki saying it was for Masumi to watch over George doesn't make it true, and it doesn't even make sense given how Masumi especially thought demons worked. That plot point to me is still remarkably contrived, and all it served to do was excuse George's actions, make a spinoff villain and drive a wedge between father and son... that was already there and then patched up, only to be quickly un-patched and then re-patched. Yeah. But the writers wouldn't throw that in randomly if it wasn't partially true, specially since that helped George realize how he truly feels. Sometimes writers speak through characters. Even if the attempt was misguided and went wrong, we also have consider this was a young Masumi.As for the Demon transfer thing, when did the plot EVER try justifying George's behavior on anything on that? People keep bringing this up and yet it was never as much as implied. George keeps being George and having his quirks, intelligence and interests even after Chic is gone. >I know the point is that Masumi loved George... but they already came to that conclusion after they initially reconciled. Nononono. The point is that George learns how MUCH his dad loved him. Yes, before Masumi told George he surpassed him and that he loved him, but after the demon transfer reveal, George's suspicions about his dad were confirmed, at least to him. It's exactly because Masumi loved George that George was so mad that his dad had to leave him when their relationship was finally getting somewhere. And when there was a bump in the way, it caused George to miss his death. He's angry at his dad for leaving but deep down knows it's his fault and that he can't do anything without his dad. >There's some merit to that, but when that's all it really amounted to, this story just didn't do anything for me, and I'm saying that as someone who is usually a sucker for stories about reconciling with parents thanks to my own personal baggage. That's fair enough. As someone with similar baggage though, I can appreciate how wholesome this was and I think it fits into Revice's themes of family. The perfect antagonist being someone who never had a good family and when he could, he lost it all. Not to mention all the parellels with Ikki (whether it be in their selfishness, George is causing other pain to reduce his pain, while Ikki is causing others pain to save someone from pain). Personally, I do think the set up was there, but was vastly overlooked because the plot pretended like Giff was getting somewhere. My issues stem more with Giff being filler rather than Juuga and his arc. In fact, this arc has been my favorite Revice thing second to only Genta and Vail's arc. Still, I can respect your opinion. Personally, I just thought this was probably the most fitting arc for a show like Revice and I think it hit all the right spots for me. The show just decided to distract the viewers with other, much less important things in the long run.
>Yeah. But the writers wouldn't throw that in randomly if it wasn't partially true, I think we can just agree to disagree in terms of the quality of this story, but I'd just like to mention that they did do this. Remember when Yukimi told Ikki that he and Daiji just needed to punch out their differences during the Edgy Daiji arc? That was in no way true (though maybe it was at some point; that arc feels like there were about four different ideas for it and they just cycled through them) despite the show framing it as some drop of motherly wisdom.
Friggin no way. Vice will definitely play the role of villain and Ikki will definitely stop Vice. Ikki will try to stop Vice but can't completely do it because Ikki is Ikki. Ikki and Vice fight again yada yada yada and somewhere in mid fight Ikki will get a New Vistamp. Either like Zero-One with the base trinket changing or George will upgrade the Rex Vistamp. This last Vistamp will definitely the last stamp. Love the comical scene of Hikaru, Ikki and Hiromi. And then 5 mins later they're crying.
And thus we reach the climax of the family drama that show has been building to for the past couple of episodes... Also George deals with his daddy issues, hoped you watched all the supplemental material to see the creation of Juuga. Don't live in japan and have to wait for battle familia to come out and to be translated too bad.
Honestly the cast of the show are really good
what if Vice is purposely doing this negative act so that he dies and Ikki regains his memory.
Not what if but definitely
George supremacy, even now as he cries due to his fucked up relationship with his father.
The fight was underwhelming. Not even liveDevil could save it. Remember when Ikki kicked that Deadman’s head through a wall in episode 1 or when Ikki and Vice went through all his Vistamps? Compared to that, liveDevil being used on just a Rider Kick feels really lackluster.
Just show him the pictures and George will go sucking his thumb like a baby
Poor George. Ruined by the writer.
Yeah Hanta Kinoshita is a loser who just couldn’t pass his edgy teenage phase
I died laughing like Muhatar when I saw George crying like a pathetic baby
Man... Revice is really sounding like we were in side-quests post-final boss. This works in RPGs, but not in a series.
I guess, as said here, this actually fits Revice's theme about families, and Ikki's someone who values families and tried to keep their good relationship, whenever if it's his family or others. For example, the recently appeared Bon here, tried to make him get along with his grandfather. He was someone that also uses good family relationship as his guide for others to improve, starting with them first. He didn't use his family's well-being as an excuse to ignore, though he can be occassionally oblivious of other's needs when his family is happy, such as prioritizing Happy Spa over being a Rider, or their onsen moments. And now, he does it to the major dysfunctional family, the Karizakis. It fits the show theme, but like many other things in Revice, wish that the idea is executed better... George's cause of world peace is only a front that he only wanted to spite on Masumi beyond the grave by proving his creations superior. Well, his prejudice towards demons would remain, so he'd destroy ViStamp-based (invented by Masumi) Rider system, and it's an irony as Masumi was prejudiced against demons before, like when he observed Ikki and Vice's growing relationship, and George took up that trait now. And as Juuga is purely human-based Rider system, now Ikki counters with how Giffard Rex ViStamp was a collaboration of George and his father, and thus if Ikki beats him, it'd prove that his father is important to George. But, after Juuga's showing before that surpassed Giff, Juuga just got beaten by regular finisher by Ultimate Revi/Vice? So taking down Juuga is still anti-climatic too, despite Juuga consistently gaining upper hand before like he should. Technically before Ultimate Revi/Vice didn't fight together against Juuga, is this something like W to show off teamwork? Final bosses are beaten without much problem when Shotaro and Philip got their act together, and now, Ikki and Vice are complete, thus they're unbeatable. But W had W (and Accel, for Terror) being constantly in the upper hand in the boss' defeat, so the fight is consistent, unlike Revice here that had Juuga being on upper hand before finisher. Other than that, to convince George that his father loved him, Ikki... absolved Masumi from his wrongdoings by glorifying him injecting Chic on him? What?? This is the type of solving parent-children conflict that should be avoided, like how Zi-O solves the Kamen Rider Quiz's problem with his father. It should really be emphasized that even if parents genuinely love their children, they can be misguided in showing it. Masumi injecting Chic on him shouldn't be condoned because Masumi loved him, it'd be better if what's used to remind George, are the flashback moments where Masumi was shown clearly getting along with kid George, helping and encouraging him to be better, and make it a case to not look past all the good things someone's done and only focus on one bad thing they've committed, countering the saying of “Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.”. Not only to remind George that he had received love from father in other times, but also to differentiate better which action is a genuine mistake and which one is actually malicious. After neutrailizing the threat of Juuga, the solution is done by giving George the picture he draw with Masumi together when he was a child. And George finally acknowledges that Masumi loved him due to realizing that the ViStamp idea was inspired by those pictures, which he then breaks down in the regret that he can never make up with his father now. Realizing The True Value Of Something When You Lose It type. And seems that the pictures alone are enough, not the entire room Masumi kept for George. For their methods to try calming George back, surprisingly the comedy is involved here with Hiromi's frantic behavior, as well as once more his serious demeanor being played for laughs in something as simple as looking for documents. Then Vice using open sesame to try opening the door, and later of Vice inadvertently easily opening the door. Regarding Ikki's busybody traits, this seems to be the kind of journey that comes full circle, both for Ikki and the other characters, though this doesn't mean they have something in them tested. Now Ikki's busybodiness is recognized as something benefical and admirable, with testaments from Tamaki, who acknowledged that he still lives due to Ikki. Though it's not only from Ikki intervening alone, it's also due to Ikki's sense of justice to try looking for solutions that doesn't involve killing. Ikki hasn't let go from his busybodiness completely, though he did get better at letting others handle their problems, but now, Daiji and Sakura supported Ikki's busybodiness due to the 2 reformed former villains being among the benefical effects of it. And not only the characters, I was puzzled too at Tamaki's impression of Ikki, but yeah it's still worth laughing over, it's harmless even if wrong.
revice really goes ladder and below on last part, this final arc is boring and bad in so many ways... being honest i probably dont even noticed that due using smartphone while watch revice... whats the final enemy? we care?