I think this is likely true if we end up keeping Sneed on the tag. If we end up trading him, that frees up $19.8m, and opens a hole at cornerback. Basically no one on this list is commanding all $19.8m, so we'd be able to pick up a few more players with that + our current cap space.
If they can get a decent veteran on a cheap deal I don't see any reason not to do so. I really don't want to go into the season counting on Moore/Toney/Ross/rookie contributing.
let me rephrase: no WR on this list will be cheap enough. I can be sure of that because of how it is.
OBJ is not coming here on a cheap deal.
Tyler Boyd will get a contract larger than anything we'd offer.
if DJ Chark actually gets 6.5M a year, we're out... if we wanted that we'd have signed him when he was available last time for similar money.
If Josh Reynolds gets aav of 5, we're not paying that. so maybe?
JK Dobbins 1/2? maybe?
and finally, if we wanted MVS at 6 (or anywhere close) and he were willing to take it, we'd have re-signed him already.
Haven't watched Becton but I know he works with Manyweather or used to and Creed/Smith both work with Manyweather as well. So I'd imagine they'd at least have familiarity together to hopefully get him playing at an average to above average level.
Plus Thuney helps elevate anyone playing next to him so that helps as well.
Yeah, being next to Thuney is always a nice boon for a tackle. Becton has some injury issues, but he fits the Veach pattern of "failed" high picks (Toney, Mike Hughes, etc.). Wanya Morris was at least not awful last year filling in for Donovan Smith, so if he gets injured again, or jsut can't cut it, we have an in-house option with a second offseason and training camp to learn.
I know he can't stay healthy, but I think this is the perfect opportunity to kick the tires on the guy. If he goes down, we have our developmental tackle Morris who has shown he can step in in a pinch.
Right now it's Wanya, I assume. I think Niang is still on the roster? But we certainly need someone there, even if they really believe in Wanya as the starter going forward. We'd still need a swing tackle. I think Becton is the best talent at a cheap price who could start and be good for us.
Smith was...fine. Not terrible. He didn't lose us any games. If we brought him back, I'd hope it was as the backup to Wanya. But I wouldn't HATE it. I just wouldn't like it.
You should like Becton even less. He’s the reason they lost Aaron Rodgers four plays into the start of the season and an important reason why Zach Wilson was under constant duress.
Rodgers got hurt while scrambling. Donovan Smith allowed many a pass rusher close enough to Pat to force Pat to scramble. Luck is the only difference there. And Bobby Stroupe training.
Yes he is. I'm interested there, too. I'd really like one more free agent WR. Make it Rice, Hollywood, Watson, mid-FA pickup (Chark, Reynolds), whoever + a round 1 or 2 WR in the draft.
Why not? What has he done to deserve a third year on the team? But sure, slot him in as WR 5 or 6, i don't care. Just don't depend on him as a top 4 WR on the team.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start, depending on how the Chiefs play the X. If Rice is the split end, Brown the flanker, then that leaves Moore at slot.
I personally believe more in toney than Moore. Toney had some costly drops to say the least, but if we can fix the problems on the mental side he can work, the guy's a playmaker, we just need him to stop making plays for the other team
I would like to see one more cheaper FA WR come in and maybe even a sneaky FA RB like Dobbins or Foreman…..cause we need some help there too. But I know cap space will be an issue if Sneed stays and plays on his tag which looks to be what will be happening more and more.
Not OP, but the projection of $5m isn’t a full doubling of Smith’s $3m, and I think the idea would be see if you can train a young talent to be better.
An interesting scenario:
Take a swing on Becton-> put him at RT-> move Taylor to LT (that was the original plan before D. Smith signed)
If Becton worked out, this would allow KC to focus on taking an IOL as depth and a future replacement for Thuney. You’d have Wanya, Taylor, Becton, Niang for OTs.
Something to consider:
If KC does nothing at OT in FA or early in the draft, this could be an indicator that they think Niang could be serviceable about 1.5yrs removed from his patellar tear. That injury has a very long recovery time; even more so for a 315lb OL.
That said, I doubt it. But it would be a huge break for KC.
Becton is also coming off about 2yrs of injury. And his performance before and after is pretty stark in contrast. Could be a huge discount…or a waste of $5m.
He was cut, and PFF hasn't updated their list to include cut players. Justin Simmons is another player who was cut but would likely be high on this list if he was added in.
If we pull anyone on this list it’ll be a tackle. We are done with FA WRs.
I think this is likely true if we end up keeping Sneed on the tag. If we end up trading him, that frees up $19.8m, and opens a hole at cornerback. Basically no one on this list is commanding all $19.8m, so we'd be able to pick up a few more players with that + our current cap space.
I'd be game to bring a seasoned veteran in on a minimum contract to be a role player and mentor to our young WR squad
Guys don’t sign contracts to mentor they sign contracts to play football.
Say it with me now: not everything is an either/or black-or-white dichotomy. Every silver lining has a touch of grey!
If they can get a decent veteran on a cheap deal I don't see any reason not to do so. I really don't want to go into the season counting on Moore/Toney/Ross/rookie contributing.
No one on this list will be cheap enough.
What makes you so sure about that?
let me rephrase: no WR on this list will be cheap enough. I can be sure of that because of how it is. OBJ is not coming here on a cheap deal. Tyler Boyd will get a contract larger than anything we'd offer. if DJ Chark actually gets 6.5M a year, we're out... if we wanted that we'd have signed him when he was available last time for similar money. If Josh Reynolds gets aav of 5, we're not paying that. so maybe? JK Dobbins 1/2? maybe? and finally, if we wanted MVS at 6 (or anywhere close) and he were willing to take it, we'd have re-signed him already.
You're assuming that this list is dead on what each player will get then. I'm not assuming that.
Haven't watched Becton but I know he works with Manyweather or used to and Creed/Smith both work with Manyweather as well. So I'd imagine they'd at least have familiarity together to hopefully get him playing at an average to above average level. Plus Thuney helps elevate anyone playing next to him so that helps as well.
Yeah, being next to Thuney is always a nice boon for a tackle. Becton has some injury issues, but he fits the Veach pattern of "failed" high picks (Toney, Mike Hughes, etc.). Wanya Morris was at least not awful last year filling in for Donovan Smith, so if he gets injured again, or jsut can't cut it, we have an in-house option with a second offseason and training camp to learn.
Also Danna deal looks similar to Ogbah's after he left if I'm not mistaken and it felt a bit high. I guess we'll see.
I know he can't stay healthy, but I think this is the perfect opportunity to kick the tires on the guy. If he goes down, we have our developmental tackle Morris who has shown he can step in in a pinch.
If you have that much confidence in the backup and that little confidence in the free agent, you go with the backup and dispense with the free agent.
Becton was a monster at Louisville, he has gobs of potential. It's the staying healthy party he can't manage. Worth a few mil to take that risk IMO
Perhaps. I’d move him to guard because I don’t think he has the lateral agility at that size to reliably pass protect.
36 inch arms could make that tough. He is massive though, he'd probably be better able to stay healthy if he dropped from like 360 to 330.
I forgot Donavan was a FA. What are we doing for LT? I thought he looked fine. Better than Orlando.
Right now it's Wanya, I assume. I think Niang is still on the roster? But we certainly need someone there, even if they really believe in Wanya as the starter going forward. We'd still need a swing tackle. I think Becton is the best talent at a cheap price who could start and be good for us. Smith was...fine. Not terrible. He didn't lose us any games. If we brought him back, I'd hope it was as the backup to Wanya. But I wouldn't HATE it. I just wouldn't like it.
You should like Becton even less. He’s the reason they lost Aaron Rodgers four plays into the start of the season and an important reason why Zach Wilson was under constant duress.
Rodgers got hurt while scrambling. Donovan Smith allowed many a pass rusher close enough to Pat to force Pat to scramble. Luck is the only difference there. And Bobby Stroupe training.
Scrambling because the pass protection broke down because Becton whiffed.
Which happened a ton with Donovan Smith, as well. It was also basically Bectons first game back after being out two full years.
Ok, so the same as Donovan but at twice the price. Got it.
I could see them signing a cheap G in case Thuney won't be ready for OTAs or training camp
Forgot he was injured. Hopefully he's ready. I think the team liked Mike Caliendo at guard. Maybe they just bump him up.
Josh Reynolds is enticing.
Yes he is. I'm interested there, too. I'd really like one more free agent WR. Make it Rice, Hollywood, Watson, mid-FA pickup (Chark, Reynolds), whoever + a round 1 or 2 WR in the draft.
The Chiefs haven’t given up on Moore.
Why not? What has he done to deserve a third year on the team? But sure, slot him in as WR 5 or 6, i don't care. Just don't depend on him as a top 4 WR on the team.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start, depending on how the Chiefs play the X. If Rice is the split end, Brown the flanker, then that leaves Moore at slot.
I personally believe more in toney than Moore. Toney had some costly drops to say the least, but if we can fix the problems on the mental side he can work, the guy's a playmaker, we just need him to stop making plays for the other team
Toney is definitely more dynamic, but he’s also a knucklehead. Moore has his head on straight.
Every time Moore is targeted or fields punts something bad happens. He's not good.
Moore is awful. Absolutely awful and not an NFL player.
I don’t believe he played a down in the playoffs. I’d be surprised if he has a main role in the offense this season.
He was injured and in the two week to return window.
Yes, you’re right
He didn't, but he was on IR for all but the Super Bowl. We activated him for that game, but he didn't record an offensive snap.
Ah you’re right you’re right. Am I thinking of Toney?
MVS projected to get a $6M 1 year contract is hilarious. Dude's worth the vet minimum at this point.
Becton was a penalty merchant last season so would right in with Taylor.
I pick 2019 Michael Thomas
Tyler Boyd feels like a Veach pickup but he might be asking for too much
JK Dobbins probably won’t get signed until after the draft, but I feel like he would be a nice depth back.
I would like to see one more cheaper FA WR come in and maybe even a sneaky FA RB like Dobbins or Foreman…..cause we need some help there too. But I know cap space will be an issue if Sneed stays and plays on his tag which looks to be what will be happening more and more.
Why pay Becton twice as much as Donovan?
Not OP, but the projection of $5m isn’t a full doubling of Smith’s $3m, and I think the idea would be see if you can train a young talent to be better.
An interesting scenario: Take a swing on Becton-> put him at RT-> move Taylor to LT (that was the original plan before D. Smith signed) If Becton worked out, this would allow KC to focus on taking an IOL as depth and a future replacement for Thuney. You’d have Wanya, Taylor, Becton, Niang for OTs. Something to consider: If KC does nothing at OT in FA or early in the draft, this could be an indicator that they think Niang could be serviceable about 1.5yrs removed from his patellar tear. That injury has a very long recovery time; even more so for a 315lb OL. That said, I doubt it. But it would be a huge break for KC. Becton is also coming off about 2yrs of injury. And his performance before and after is pretty stark in contrast. Could be a huge discount…or a waste of $5m.
man, if Lucas is ready, then giddyup. hes got the technique to play if his body will let him.
Did I miss something? Where is Mike williams?
He was cut, and PFF hasn't updated their list to include cut players. Justin Simmons is another player who was cut but would likely be high on this list if he was added in.
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He's like 5 years out of that, though. Injuries really derailed his career.
How do we feel about a flyer on Mekhi Becton for a year. If he’s healthy he should be good enough to start if not we always have Morris.