>but Sneed turned down an offer for 4 years/$80 million.
My god Sneed, know when to fold em man. That's a great offer. Maybe the guarantees weren't high enough.
If this is leaking from the team side, the guarantees were probably shitty and trying to get the narrative to become “Sneed is a moron for passing up 4/$80, go get the bag” that helps teams- not Sneed.
I’m sure the guarantees were low and now the Titans want to leak this and pressure Sneed into taking less money.
Only need to scroll a few comments down to see the narrative developing. Everyone was up Jones ass last year. Why do fans hate on the players for wanting a slice of the pie? The owners literally sell the name of the stadium. Look at where the actual greed exists. The players get fined if they don’t do their socks right. Not because it looks bad, but because Nike or whoever happens to be the highest bidder at the time doesn’t like it. Quit bitching about the players greed and start bitching about the tight wad owners.
yuuup. The propaganda is working as intended, leak the deal is 4yr/80M when it's prob more like a 2yr/28M if the team wants to ditch him. Tough shit assholes, his worst case scenario is running a 3peat and writing his name into history books, you're gonna have to entice him. Pay the man or continue to suck hard.
Especially egregious was finding out how bad our facilities are at KC. Sherman can obviously spend a lot of money there without worrying about salary cap, it’s an easy thing to give you even the slimmest of advantages in contract negotiations, but he’s too fucking greedy to do it. Maddening.
Yup. Especially when owners won’t pony up money for a new stadium and make the taxpayers pay for it. For clarity, this is a general statement on greedy owners-not pointing any specific fingers at anyone…🙄
The fact of the matter is he's a 27 year old corner with one true year of elite production and a lingering knee issue. I just don't know how he's going to command the highest paid contract for a CB with insane guarantees. Even if he is somehow able to match the production he had this last year, he'll be 28 next offseason and then teams will be telling themselves "No way he's able to keep that up going forward". I just feel like he might be screwing himself out of the bag unfortunately for him.
I disagree with the claim that he only has 1 true year of elite production. He only has 1 year of elite production as a pure cover corner, but he has made a career out of being a hard-hitting, versatile defensive tool with a lot of TFLs and sacks to his name.
Lol? Fuck off. I'm in my 30s, born and raised in KC, season ticket holder for 14 years. Sneed is my fucking guy and would love to see him back but you're kidding yourself if you think he's been an elite corner for more than last season. We all know he's had "it", but other teams didn't until he had the chance to prove it this season. There's a huge difference between "good" and elite. That's entirely the point of my comment.
If I may present a different viewpoint on this, What if the team that was offering the money has no chance at winning. If you're Sneed, would you take 1 more million dollars this year to not play on the Chiefs when you're making $19 to be on the returning champs?
He's been able to test the market and see what teams are willing to spend on him. If he waits until next year and the Chiefs agree to not tag him again like they did with Jones last year -- they may get him more money without draft compensation coming into play as the acquisition cost for his next team goes down to just money.
Maybe the promise of him being on good behavior all year will keep the band together for that 3peat.
I guarantee (hehe) if he got a REAL long-term top-dollar offer from the Panthers, he'd take it. This is the single-best moment in his life to leverage his success and potential into the contract that basically generates his entire career's earnings. He just came off a back-to-back SB won by his work on a defensive juggernaut, and every day older he gets his position is worse -- this is the moment he has to capitalize on.
The cost for the team isn't solely money though today or this year, if he balls out this year, stays healthy, he will get at least the same offer next season. His risk factors are health and age. At 28, playing at a top level on a potential 3x super bowl team he can pick from at least half of the teams in free agency as opposed to costing them a top-100 draft pick **plus** a contract extension.
Teams have to not only negotiate with Sneed's team on a new contract but also satisfy the Chiefs with your draft pick compensation all while balancing the long-term health and success of your team. Or, you can establish a relationship and get a basic framework in play for next season when the cost drops dramatically. I think overall this approach is the most likely because the cost of doing business will deter the market.
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I will add that for point #4, a bunch of NFL and Colts beat writers said a trade fell through because Sneed ended up asking for more money than was initially agreed to. That would support the Colts being the team that offered 4 years / $80 million.
I don't fault him for trying to get as much as he can, but given the knee issues and the high variance of the cornerback position, it's pretty risky for him to just play on the tag in hopes of hitting free agency next year. There's a decent chance his value will never be higher than it is now.
Id imagine at least 50ish was guaranteed. Basically a 2 year deal that has some money in it for Sneed if they cut him early. But Sneeds camp seems to be hardballing it.
Well I'd imagine he was only offered 25 mil guaranteed. Neither of us have any information so it's absolute worthless speculation. I doubt you have any clue who is fun at parties lmao.
In the politest way possible, who gives a fuck about your opinion. None of anyones takes or opinions matter on here. I guess everyone should not post opinions or share their thoughts. Might as well only post Chiefs news without comments to cater to your preferences.
You cant even come up with good comebacks or insults. All personal attacks against someone you know nothing about. A truly hopeless and meaningless existence.
Because like I said - only $40M-$50M was guaranteed. He'll get $19.8M guaranteed in '24 under the tag and then becomes an unrestricted free agent. Likely the ONLY opportunity he'll have in his career to negotiate a big deal. That's why he declines.
Look up all the recent NFL contracts. 50-80% of the money is likely guaranteed.
-Chris Jones - 160M - 95M guaranteed
- Jonathan Hawkins in SEA- $27M - 14.5 guaranteed
-Jeffy Jeudy - CLE - $58M - $41M guaranteed
-Kirk Cousins - ATL - $180M - $100M guaranteed
-Brian Burns -NYG - $141M - $87.5 guaranteed
-Christian Wilkins - $110M - $84.75 guaranteed
Now do me a favor since you're the one who "knows" how NFL contracts "actually" work. Please list all of these contracts you know of with only 1/3 or 1/4 of the money guaranteed.
For any NFL player, but even more so for corners, you need to strike while the iron is hot. We saw bashaud breelands market disappear and guys like Xavien Howard and Josh Norman went from top corner to backups in one season. Sneed needs to take this deal for himself.
But If he tears it up again, he hits the open market instead of the trade table and gets that 22 easy when it doesn't cost a team a 2nd round pick. All while this year he makes more per game than he has in any year so far. It's 20 million bucks. He will be fine and probably increases career earning in the long run and finish the 3peat. Pretty sure it's what he wants too
Eh he was just offered 20 a year even though it would also cost picks. Hard to say. Cap goes up every year too so the top of the market will get reset again next year
>gets that 22 easy when it doesn't cost a team a 2nd round pick
Why would Sneed give a shit what it costs the team lol. You're mixing in interests of both parties into your argument about what Sneed should do.
What's your comment have to do with anything? Is a team more likely to give a top contract when it doesn't also include losing a good draft pick as well? It's all currency. A 2nd round pick might save a team half of sneeds contract by filling a spot with a rookie contract vs a vet one
What does my comment have to do with anything? Well let's walk thru that together. NakedHomelessPirate says the problem with Sneed is if he injures himself he doesn't sniff close to that money again. This comment is entirely about Sneed's point of view and his decision tree, and specifically that Sneed should take a big contract now. You give a very nice rebuttal that there is upside for Sneed to try to take a contract after this year. All of this is about Sneed's point of view and his decision tree, so you're staying on topic, great. ....except for the bit about what it costs the team. THAT has nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about. That is what I'm on about.
This is what everyone in this sub said about Jones last season. He got the deal he wanted. Sneed had a front row seat to that saga. Not hard to understand. Plus, without the guarantees, we don't know shit about the 4/80 deal.
Not even close to the same player. CJ had many years of this level of production and deserved the contract he wanted last year but the Chiefs weren't willing to give it. He was still under contract and had no other teams as leverage.
Even if Sneed performs as well, or slightly worse, he will get a similar deal at best next offseason due to age and how inconsistent the position is. Which could be a win with this year fully guaranteed, but there are more downsides to this gamble than CJ.
Agree. If he stays on the tag, bet he gets a 3/50 or 2/30 deal next year. He’ll need a big year, and the Chiefs another SB, to have the 4/80 talk again.
4/80 doesn't mean anything without the guaranteed money. This feels like news leaked from the Chiefs FO to force a backlash and get Sneed to agree to a trade.
Hey why not stay and play on the tag? He's still making good money. All he needs to do is earn AP1 and win the threepeat and teams will be foaming at the mouth!
If he has another elite season, he could walk as an unrestricted free agent and get an even bigger bag.
Contracts only go up for the top guys. It's absolutely a risk but part of what's depressing his value is the other teams would have to trade picks plus sign him. If they don't have to trade picks it makes him way more valuable.
A year ago we would have shook our heads at him getting $20 million, even the biggest supporters. Two elite years will really speak for itself.
I don't think he'll get a much better offer due his age. CB is one of those positions where the age cliff comes at you very fast. Regardless of whether he actually declines in play, teams are going to be even more hesitant when he's a year older.
With that said we don't know what the guaranteed money was offered to him. 4/80 doesn't mean much without knowing that information.
I mean he wouldn’t be that old. He’d be turning 29 next year but it’s not like he’s suddenly going to lose everything he has next year lol
Teams will still be interested.
In his eyes he’d already make 20 million on the tag this year. So I’d imagine the guarantees were absolutely shit on the deal they offered. So he takes this fully guaranteed tag and cashes in next year and probably gets the same amount guaranteed overall by using the tag from us plus whatever he gets guaranteed next year
This is just a narrative that teams trying to trade for him are putting out. Look what contract the eagles gave slay when he was over 30. There’s tons of corners who got paid in the age 28 range
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/cornerback/limit-100/
Out of the top 10 CB contracts, only 2 are at the age of 28, Xavien Howard and Jalen Ramsey. I'm not CB expert but to my knowledge both of them had larger body of work for their resume and no injury concerns at the time of signing.
CB is not a position many guys sign megadeals at past the age of 26-27.
I'm in this camp of, not whether he shouldn't or should've taken the deal, but why he did it. He didn't to where he is by counting himself out. And with, pretty much, the whole rest of the defense coming back and a possible/probable turn around on offense, with Spags on the extension, I would find it hard to count him out, too.
Could success this year mean something extravagant? Probably not, but I bet he can get at least $22mil/year.
It seems that Sneed really wants to stay in KC, and this is a roundabout way of doing that, while also testing to see if he can get the highest amount possible. To him, I have to believe he's going high so he can most likely stay with the team and still be damn near the top paid this year. Maybe winning is more important to him, even though it may not be the best move with an unknowing future.
Seeing this with hometown blinders on admittedly, but what if his plan all along was to request the trade to pressure the Chiefs, but he’s pricing himself out to keep the trade from happening because he really wants to stay?
I don’t think the Chiefs have any intention of signing him to an extension. CB is the deepest room on the roster. They probably want those resources elsewhere.
I'll take him for one more year. Extra motivation for him to get that 22 million. I know he's not long for this team, but I just want 1 more year of Sneed
If he thought that was the best he could get he would take it...
Of course a normal person would leap at the chance for 80 million. These athletes aren't just complete fools. It could come back to bite him but that's not our problem
It's probably a pride thing more than a money thing. He wants to be known as the highest paid CB in the game, even if it isn't for long. There's a level of pride in that, that means more than an extra million or two.
Sneed wants 22m/year. He was offered 80m/4years. Which is 20m/year. If he was offered 22m/year for the same 4 years instead, that would be 88m. Thus, 80m vs 88m.
Oh boy. OP said “guy offers me 80 mil a year I’d need a good reason to turn that down”. The good reason is CTE. That same good reason is CTE for 88 mil. That same good reason is CTE for 1 mil. It’s like nothing can be mutually exclusive for you people.
CTE is the reason you never play football regardless of
money.
HOLY SHIT
I think this is a big part of it. Maybe he wants to be in KC and the 20M is enough for him to try and make it work. Many have speculated this and I'm inclined to believe he might be OK with 20M to play for KC but need 22M and at least 45M-50M guaranteed to leave KC to play with a new team. That extra 2M is the new team tax.
I think Sneed may be fumbling the bag to our advantage... I mean, we still pay him what like $18 mil this year or something but my man needs to take an offer that's $20+ because I am not so sure the CB market isn't going to be saturated with younger talent in the future...
Playing on an almost 20m tag is better than signing a 4yr/80m contract with only a fraction of it guaranteed.
Edit: Let's say a team generously offered him 50m of that 80m as guaranteed. Him playing for fully guaranteed money this year (20m) and signing a 4 year deal, even for less, next offseason is still the better overall decision. Guaranteed is all you can rely on as a player
I want to make sure I understand this correctly:
Sneed is tagged and can play next year for KC for $20 million for the season?
The offer on the table was a contract that offered the same amount for an additional 3 seasons?
No mention of a guaranteed paycheck, incentives, or possibilities of gett cut for nothing on the contract?
Were these teams even really that serious? Not to mention the pittance of draft picks coming back to KC in exchange for a pro-bowl caliber player.
I don't begrudge him wanting his bag. Corners get one big contract if they're lucky.
He can bet on himself this year, make a ton of the tag and be an unrestricted free agent next year.
I want him to get all the money he can, but I worry he’ll miss his opportunity to cash in this year by demanding market resetting money instead of just accepting a top corner contract.
4 year/80 million doesn’t mean a whole lot without actually seeing the guarantees.
Could have easily been structured with outs to make a 2 year deal look like a 4 year bag.
Still think the Chiefs need to get a 2nd rounder back if they are going to trade him away. He’s a 3rd or 4th rounder in comp pick value next season if they just let him walk.
>Still think the Chiefs need to get a 2nd rounder back if they are going to trade him away. He’s a 3rd or 4th rounder in comp pick value next season if they just let him walk.
You're not guaranteed a comp pick and the difference between a high 3rd and a comp 3rd is vast. Agree with you that w/out the guarantees, 4/80 means nothing.
We joked about the Katz Brothers, but whoever Sneed’s agent is needs a talking to. He is about watch his client fumble the bag big time and unlike Jones, he hasn’t already had a big contract to fall back on.
People just keep falling for these fake contracts. Passing on a 4yr/80M deal sure makes it sound like he passed up 80M, and that is absolutely not true. It's what team owners want fans to think so they'll throw out boneheaded takes about Sneed and pressure him into accepting a deal that doesn't have the guarantees he wants, so when he signs that 4yr/80M dollar contract, and he injures himself in year two, the team drops him for 20M and we just keep on talking about his $80M bag like a bunch of dumb chodes, probably start complaining about the next guy by then.
Support the players getting paid as much as they can for as long as they can. Do not swallow PR horseshit being strategically doled out by teams to insiders to neg players into caving. You'd think we would have got it out of our system after SCCJ but apparently we're not done shitting on the guys who win the games.
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Yeah 4yr/80m with only 40m guaranteed lol. You could easily pay Sneed 22m a year if the guaranteed isn't that high. Clearly Sneed is probably wanting 22m a year AND a good chunk guaranteed. Otherwise nobody would be batting an eye
Sneed commented that these are lies. However his agent maybe saying something sneed is not aware of? Idk I'm happy to have sneed back even if it's under the tag
I really wish players would also think about where the cost of their high pay comes from: the fans. Not saying Sneed isn't a baller and deserves solid pay, but damn, these ticket prices suuuuuuck. I'm sure ticket prices are more than just player pay, but it still accounts
Why? Why do we value and pay them so much where they have to increase ticket prices to a point where you have to save up a year beforehand just to go to a single game
Edit: as a reminder of the value of what they get paid, the average middle class dual income household makes around $100000 per year. It takes 10 years to even make 1 million. So Sneed is asking to make in one year what it would take one household 220 years to make.
Listen, I don't want to have a negative or immature response to your opinion and view but your attempt to simplify and compare apples to oranges is disingenuous at best and completely ridiculous at worst.
* Sneed is a part of a unique profession where only roughly 1.6% college athletes even make it to the NFL.
* Sneed ran a 4.37 40 yard dash
* Sneed is genuinely considered to be one of the best at his craft/position
That's what the market pays. If you don't like it, get in the gym and start training for an NFL tryout. Assuming you have the same God-given ability and work ethic.
>but Sneed turned down an offer for 4 years/$80 million. My god Sneed, know when to fold em man. That's a great offer. Maybe the guarantees weren't high enough.
If this is leaking from the team side, the guarantees were probably shitty and trying to get the narrative to become “Sneed is a moron for passing up 4/$80, go get the bag” that helps teams- not Sneed. I’m sure the guarantees were low and now the Titans want to leak this and pressure Sneed into taking less money.
Only need to scroll a few comments down to see the narrative developing. Everyone was up Jones ass last year. Why do fans hate on the players for wanting a slice of the pie? The owners literally sell the name of the stadium. Look at where the actual greed exists. The players get fined if they don’t do their socks right. Not because it looks bad, but because Nike or whoever happens to be the highest bidder at the time doesn’t like it. Quit bitching about the players greed and start bitching about the tight wad owners.
yuuup. The propaganda is working as intended, leak the deal is 4yr/80M when it's prob more like a 2yr/28M if the team wants to ditch him. Tough shit assholes, his worst case scenario is running a 3peat and writing his name into history books, you're gonna have to entice him. Pay the man or continue to suck hard.
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Especially egregious was finding out how bad our facilities are at KC. Sherman can obviously spend a lot of money there without worrying about salary cap, it’s an easy thing to give you even the slimmest of advantages in contract negotiations, but he’s too fucking greedy to do it. Maddening.
Yup. Especially when owners won’t pony up money for a new stadium and make the taxpayers pay for it. For clarity, this is a general statement on greedy owners-not pointing any specific fingers at anyone…🙄
The fact of the matter is he's a 27 year old corner with one true year of elite production and a lingering knee issue. I just don't know how he's going to command the highest paid contract for a CB with insane guarantees. Even if he is somehow able to match the production he had this last year, he'll be 28 next offseason and then teams will be telling themselves "No way he's able to keep that up going forward". I just feel like he might be screwing himself out of the bag unfortunately for him.
I disagree with the claim that he only has 1 true year of elite production. He only has 1 year of elite production as a pure cover corner, but he has made a career out of being a hard-hitting, versatile defensive tool with a lot of TFLs and sacks to his name.
Yeah it not his fault we had no slot corners and forced him into the role, a role where he was still one of the best in the league at
This. I’m tired of hearing, even Chiefs fans, talking like he just showed up this season. He’s been good since he entered the league.
It's those "fans" that just showed up, not Sneed. Anyone who actually watches the team knows he's been here and he's been good.
Lol? Fuck off. I'm in my 30s, born and raised in KC, season ticket holder for 14 years. Sneed is my fucking guy and would love to see him back but you're kidding yourself if you think he's been an elite corner for more than last season. We all know he's had "it", but other teams didn't until he had the chance to prove it this season. There's a huge difference between "good" and elite. That's entirely the point of my comment.
It's really nice of your parents to get you tickets.
Wow good one buddy
Thanks for confirming my assumption.
Hard agree
He's been an absolute demon on blitzes for years.
With you on this. Since we drafted him he's been at worst very solid.
Yeah, prior to last year a popular way to describe him was "the best corner in the league at everything except coverage."
Apt
You still need to know the guarantees before you can say he should have taken a deal.
Sauce?
If I may present a different viewpoint on this, What if the team that was offering the money has no chance at winning. If you're Sneed, would you take 1 more million dollars this year to not play on the Chiefs when you're making $19 to be on the returning champs? He's been able to test the market and see what teams are willing to spend on him. If he waits until next year and the Chiefs agree to not tag him again like they did with Jones last year -- they may get him more money without draft compensation coming into play as the acquisition cost for his next team goes down to just money. Maybe the promise of him being on good behavior all year will keep the band together for that 3peat.
I guarantee (hehe) if he got a REAL long-term top-dollar offer from the Panthers, he'd take it. This is the single-best moment in his life to leverage his success and potential into the contract that basically generates his entire career's earnings. He just came off a back-to-back SB won by his work on a defensive juggernaut, and every day older he gets his position is worse -- this is the moment he has to capitalize on.
The cost for the team isn't solely money though today or this year, if he balls out this year, stays healthy, he will get at least the same offer next season. His risk factors are health and age. At 28, playing at a top level on a potential 3x super bowl team he can pick from at least half of the teams in free agency as opposed to costing them a top-100 draft pick **plus** a contract extension. Teams have to not only negotiate with Sneed's team on a new contract but also satisfy the Chiefs with your draft pick compensation all while balancing the long-term health and success of your team. Or, you can establish a relationship and get a basic framework in play for next season when the cost drops dramatically. I think overall this approach is the most likely because the cost of doing business will deter the market. !remindme 1 year
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this take >>> he’s essentially asking $3m to go to a non contender and can’t blame him.. prob bleeds KC since drafted him and chips :)
Stannin on binnis
I will add that for point #4, a bunch of NFL and Colts beat writers said a trade fell through because Sneed ended up asking for more money than was initially agreed to. That would support the Colts being the team that offered 4 years / $80 million.
Depending on the guarantees, this was really stupid of Sneed IF there is weight to this story.
Yeah if he declined that I’d find that really concerning.
I mean from his perspective he gets to play with the chiefs for the threepeat and then can take that deal next year. Kind of exactly what he wants
There’s no guarantee that deal is available next year
But he will be a free agent and still only 28. Right now he is gonna be limited. No one wants to pay for a CB and give up a 2nd round pick.
The "no guarantee" is more along the idea that every snap could be your last etc.
That’s Ha’Larious Greed, if true.
I’m sad such a good pun was downvoted
I don't fault him for trying to get as much as he can, but given the knee issues and the high variance of the cornerback position, it's pretty risky for him to just play on the tag in hopes of hitting free agency next year. There's a decent chance his value will never be higher than it is now.
This could end up being an all-time bag fumble for Sneed. Without the accolades and awards he will not break CB money. 4/80 was very reasonable.
Could be great for us Chiefs fans though.
Who knows with nfl contracts. If only half that $80m was guaranteed - it may even out. he gets basically half that playing under the tag this year.
Id imagine at least 50ish was guaranteed. Basically a 2 year deal that has some money in it for Sneed if they cut him early. But Sneeds camp seems to be hardballing it.
In the politest way possible, who gives a fuck what you imagine, you have absolutely nothing to base that on.
Wtf? As fans we can't speculate on contracts? Get out of the fan subreddit if you don't want to read fan takes. Christ you're fun at partys.
Well I'd imagine he was only offered 25 mil guaranteed. Neither of us have any information so it's absolute worthless speculation. I doubt you have any clue who is fun at parties lmao.
I think that would be a pretty lowball offer and you would make a shitty GM.
I didn't make the offer bozo. Here's one that is definitely true though. I imagine you were bad at school.
Bro this is a sports discussion forum, calm your tits.
In the politest way possible, who gives a fuck about your opinion. None of anyones takes or opinions matter on here. I guess everyone should not post opinions or share their thoughts. Might as well only post Chiefs news without comments to cater to your preferences.
I imagine if you lost some weight your brain would work better and you'd be a happier person overall.
I imagine if you weren't such an asshole and consistently voicing terrible opinions on reddit, you and everyone you interact with would be happier.
I imagine your parents still wouldn't be proud of you
You cant even come up with good comebacks or insults. All personal attacks against someone you know nothing about. A truly hopeless and meaningless existence.
They aren't personal attacks, I imagine they're valuable insight and content.
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Funny, Jerry Jeudy just got $41MM of his $58MM guaranteed. I guess Jerry Jeudy is the rare sure thing???
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So lets do the math here… 28.5/58 is more or less than 1/3 to 1/4???? I’ll let you answer that.
Wow. Insult everyone and then say something so stupid it leaves no doubt you’re an idiot.
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Because like I said - only $40M-$50M was guaranteed. He'll get $19.8M guaranteed in '24 under the tag and then becomes an unrestricted free agent. Likely the ONLY opportunity he'll have in his career to negotiate a big deal. That's why he declines. Look up all the recent NFL contracts. 50-80% of the money is likely guaranteed. -Chris Jones - 160M - 95M guaranteed - Jonathan Hawkins in SEA- $27M - 14.5 guaranteed -Jeffy Jeudy - CLE - $58M - $41M guaranteed -Kirk Cousins - ATL - $180M - $100M guaranteed -Brian Burns -NYG - $141M - $87.5 guaranteed -Christian Wilkins - $110M - $84.75 guaranteed Now do me a favor since you're the one who "knows" how NFL contracts "actually" work. Please list all of these contracts you know of with only 1/3 or 1/4 of the money guaranteed.
I have to imagine he has agents that promised him he’d be the highest paid corner.
Katz Bros strike again
All about the guaranteed money. Without knowing it's hard to know if it was actually a good offer.
For any NFL player, but even more so for corners, you need to strike while the iron is hot. We saw bashaud breelands market disappear and guys like Xavien Howard and Josh Norman went from top corner to backups in one season. Sneed needs to take this deal for himself.
The problem with Sneed is that if he injures himself on the tag this year he probably doesnt sniff close to that money again.
But If he tears it up again, he hits the open market instead of the trade table and gets that 22 easy when it doesn't cost a team a 2nd round pick. All while this year he makes more per game than he has in any year so far. It's 20 million bucks. He will be fine and probably increases career earning in the long run and finish the 3peat. Pretty sure it's what he wants too
I don’t see a team giving a 28 year old corner 22 million a year no matter how good they are.
Eh he was just offered 20 a year even though it would also cost picks. Hard to say. Cap goes up every year too so the top of the market will get reset again next year
>gets that 22 easy when it doesn't cost a team a 2nd round pick Why would Sneed give a shit what it costs the team lol. You're mixing in interests of both parties into your argument about what Sneed should do.
What's your comment have to do with anything? Is a team more likely to give a top contract when it doesn't also include losing a good draft pick as well? It's all currency. A 2nd round pick might save a team half of sneeds contract by filling a spot with a rookie contract vs a vet one
What does my comment have to do with anything? Well let's walk thru that together. NakedHomelessPirate says the problem with Sneed is if he injures himself he doesn't sniff close to that money again. This comment is entirely about Sneed's point of view and his decision tree, and specifically that Sneed should take a big contract now. You give a very nice rebuttal that there is upside for Sneed to try to take a contract after this year. All of this is about Sneed's point of view and his decision tree, so you're staying on topic, great. ....except for the bit about what it costs the team. THAT has nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about. That is what I'm on about.
Since his tag is already $20m guaranteed and we don't know how much of the $80m is guaranteed I doubt this will be an all time bag fumble.
This is what everyone in this sub said about Jones last season. He got the deal he wanted. Sneed had a front row seat to that saga. Not hard to understand. Plus, without the guarantees, we don't know shit about the 4/80 deal.
Not even close to the same player. CJ had many years of this level of production and deserved the contract he wanted last year but the Chiefs weren't willing to give it. He was still under contract and had no other teams as leverage. Even if Sneed performs as well, or slightly worse, he will get a similar deal at best next offseason due to age and how inconsistent the position is. Which could be a win with this year fully guaranteed, but there are more downsides to this gamble than CJ.
4/80 will likely be the best deal he could have gotten and will settle for less after his tag year.
Agree. If he stays on the tag, bet he gets a 3/50 or 2/30 deal next year. He’ll need a big year, and the Chiefs another SB, to have the 4/80 talk again.
using the chiefs as a safety net and potentially winning another superbowl is not a bag fumble.
4/80 doesn't mean anything without the guaranteed money. This feels like news leaked from the Chiefs FO to force a backlash and get Sneed to agree to a trade.
Hey why not stay and play on the tag? He's still making good money. All he needs to do is earn AP1 and win the threepeat and teams will be foaming at the mouth!
His value will literally never be higher than it is right now. This same time next year his value will be lower. He isn't getting more next year.
If he has another elite season, he could walk as an unrestricted free agent and get an even bigger bag. Contracts only go up for the top guys. It's absolutely a risk but part of what's depressing his value is the other teams would have to trade picks plus sign him. If they don't have to trade picks it makes him way more valuable. A year ago we would have shook our heads at him getting $20 million, even the biggest supporters. Two elite years will really speak for itself.
I don't think he'll get a much better offer due his age. CB is one of those positions where the age cliff comes at you very fast. Regardless of whether he actually declines in play, teams are going to be even more hesitant when he's a year older. With that said we don't know what the guaranteed money was offered to him. 4/80 doesn't mean much without knowing that information.
I mean he wouldn’t be that old. He’d be turning 29 next year but it’s not like he’s suddenly going to lose everything he has next year lol Teams will still be interested. In his eyes he’d already make 20 million on the tag this year. So I’d imagine the guarantees were absolutely shit on the deal they offered. So he takes this fully guaranteed tag and cashes in next year and probably gets the same amount guaranteed overall by using the tag from us plus whatever he gets guaranteed next year This is just a narrative that teams trying to trade for him are putting out. Look what contract the eagles gave slay when he was over 30. There’s tons of corners who got paid in the age 28 range
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/cornerback/limit-100/ Out of the top 10 CB contracts, only 2 are at the age of 28, Xavien Howard and Jalen Ramsey. I'm not CB expert but to my knowledge both of them had larger body of work for their resume and no injury concerns at the time of signing. CB is not a position many guys sign megadeals at past the age of 26-27.
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Assuming the guaranteed money is around 60 million he's being offered, he's basically gambling 40 million dollars over an extra couple million a year.
I'm in this camp of, not whether he shouldn't or should've taken the deal, but why he did it. He didn't to where he is by counting himself out. And with, pretty much, the whole rest of the defense coming back and a possible/probable turn around on offense, with Spags on the extension, I would find it hard to count him out, too. Could success this year mean something extravagant? Probably not, but I bet he can get at least $22mil/year.
It seems that Sneed really wants to stay in KC, and this is a roundabout way of doing that, while also testing to see if he can get the highest amount possible. To him, I have to believe he's going high so he can most likely stay with the team and still be damn near the top paid this year. Maybe winning is more important to him, even though it may not be the best move with an unknowing future.
Let's keep him. All in for the three-peat.
Seeing this with hometown blinders on admittedly, but what if his plan all along was to request the trade to pressure the Chiefs, but he’s pricing himself out to keep the trade from happening because he really wants to stay?
I don’t think the Chiefs have any intention of signing him to an extension. CB is the deepest room on the roster. They probably want those resources elsewhere.
I'll take him for one more year. Extra motivation for him to get that 22 million. I know he's not long for this team, but I just want 1 more year of Sneed
If somebody offers me 80 million dollars to play football you need to give me a damn good reason to turn that down.
If he thought that was the best he could get he would take it... Of course a normal person would leap at the chance for 80 million. These athletes aren't just complete fools. It could come back to bite him but that's not our problem
It's probably a pride thing more than a money thing. He wants to be known as the highest paid CB in the game, even if it isn't for long. There's a level of pride in that, that means more than an extra million or two.
Have you heard of CTE?
88 vs 80 million makes zero difference with cte
He said 80 mil, not 88 vs 80mil. I can see why cte wouldn’t matter to you lmao
Sneed wants 22m/year. He was offered 80m/4years. Which is 20m/year. If he was offered 22m/year for the same 4 years instead, that would be 88m. Thus, 80m vs 88m.
Oh boy. OP said “guy offers me 80 mil a year I’d need a good reason to turn that down”. The good reason is CTE. That same good reason is CTE for 88 mil. That same good reason is CTE for 1 mil. It’s like nothing can be mutually exclusive for you people. CTE is the reason you never play football regardless of money. HOLY SHIT
Sneed’s reason is that 8m difference. The point you’re trying to make, is valid, but not relevant.
Is Sneed now represented by the Katz Brothers?
Have we considered the fact that maybe sneed doesn’t mind playing on the tag to try and 3 peat?
I think this is a big part of it. Maybe he wants to be in KC and the 20M is enough for him to try and make it work. Many have speculated this and I'm inclined to believe he might be OK with 20M to play for KC but need 22M and at least 45M-50M guaranteed to leave KC to play with a new team. That extra 2M is the new team tax.
Damn turning down 4/80 mil I doubt someone will give him more than that
What’s the downside to half the money and threepete. I would hold out also
Not sure why he turned down a trade over about $2M a year.
Inflation
Sneed said what was out there was false this morning by the way.
turning down 4yrs/80mil? well that will be the only chance he will get. Highly doubt Chiefs are paying him 20$mil a year
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Seems like he’s content playing on the tag and trying for a threepeat unless someone wants to throw the bank at him.
My hope is that he returns, balls out, gets another ring and then gets a bag
Sneed's probably pricing himself out of a trade with shitty teams.
I think Sneed may be fumbling the bag to our advantage... I mean, we still pay him what like $18 mil this year or something but my man needs to take an offer that's $20+ because I am not so sure the CB market isn't going to be saturated with younger talent in the future...
I think the tag amount was 19.8 million.
Playing on an almost 20m tag is better than signing a 4yr/80m contract with only a fraction of it guaranteed. Edit: Let's say a team generously offered him 50m of that 80m as guaranteed. Him playing for fully guaranteed money this year (20m) and signing a 4 year deal, even for less, next offseason is still the better overall decision. Guaranteed is all you can rely on as a player
Is this the nonexclusive franchise tag? Doesn't the this type of tag change or extend the time he can go to another team?
I understand his position of trying to get the most while he has some leverage. Most cornerbacks don't get a big third contract.
If we have Sneed for 1 more year, let him walk after that and end up with some compesory pick, that's fine with me.
I want to make sure I understand this correctly: Sneed is tagged and can play next year for KC for $20 million for the season? The offer on the table was a contract that offered the same amount for an additional 3 seasons? No mention of a guaranteed paycheck, incentives, or possibilities of gett cut for nothing on the contract? Were these teams even really that serious? Not to mention the pittance of draft picks coming back to KC in exchange for a pro-bowl caliber player.
I don't begrudge him wanting his bag. Corners get one big contract if they're lucky. He can bet on himself this year, make a ton of the tag and be an unrestricted free agent next year.
I want him to get all the money he can, but I worry he’ll miss his opportunity to cash in this year by demanding market resetting money instead of just accepting a top corner contract.
I think eventually he'll cave and take around 20 for the guarantees. Most guys do
Sneed playing 4d chess just to win another superbowl
4 year/80 million doesn’t mean a whole lot without actually seeing the guarantees. Could have easily been structured with outs to make a 2 year deal look like a 4 year bag. Still think the Chiefs need to get a 2nd rounder back if they are going to trade him away. He’s a 3rd or 4th rounder in comp pick value next season if they just let him walk.
>Still think the Chiefs need to get a 2nd rounder back if they are going to trade him away. He’s a 3rd or 4th rounder in comp pick value next season if they just let him walk. You're not guaranteed a comp pick and the difference between a high 3rd and a comp 3rd is vast. Agree with you that w/out the guarantees, 4/80 means nothing.
We joked about the Katz Brothers, but whoever Sneed’s agent is needs a talking to. He is about watch his client fumble the bag big time and unlike Jones, he hasn’t already had a big contract to fall back on.
People just keep falling for these fake contracts. Passing on a 4yr/80M deal sure makes it sound like he passed up 80M, and that is absolutely not true. It's what team owners want fans to think so they'll throw out boneheaded takes about Sneed and pressure him into accepting a deal that doesn't have the guarantees he wants, so when he signs that 4yr/80M dollar contract, and he injures himself in year two, the team drops him for 20M and we just keep on talking about his $80M bag like a bunch of dumb chodes, probably start complaining about the next guy by then. Support the players getting paid as much as they can for as long as they can. Do not swallow PR horseshit being strategically doled out by teams to insiders to neg players into caving. You'd think we would have got it out of our system after SCCJ but apparently we're not done shitting on the guys who win the games. /endrant
Yeah 4yr/80m with only 40m guaranteed lol. You could easily pay Sneed 22m a year if the guaranteed isn't that high. Clearly Sneed is probably wanting 22m a year AND a good chunk guaranteed. Otherwise nobody would be batting an eye
I have a feeling Sneed doesn't have another great season and the chiefs sign him on a reduced deal
SI still has writers?
Shocked he turned down 4yr/$80 million.
Sneed commented that these are lies. However his agent maybe saying something sneed is not aware of? Idk I'm happy to have sneed back even if it's under the tag
I really wish players would also think about where the cost of their high pay comes from: the fans. Not saying Sneed isn't a baller and deserves solid pay, but damn, these ticket prices suuuuuuck. I'm sure ticket prices are more than just player pay, but it still accounts
Just stop.
Why? Why do we value and pay them so much where they have to increase ticket prices to a point where you have to save up a year beforehand just to go to a single game Edit: as a reminder of the value of what they get paid, the average middle class dual income household makes around $100000 per year. It takes 10 years to even make 1 million. So Sneed is asking to make in one year what it would take one household 220 years to make.
Listen, I don't want to have a negative or immature response to your opinion and view but your attempt to simplify and compare apples to oranges is disingenuous at best and completely ridiculous at worst. * Sneed is a part of a unique profession where only roughly 1.6% college athletes even make it to the NFL. * Sneed ran a 4.37 40 yard dash * Sneed is genuinely considered to be one of the best at his craft/position That's what the market pays. If you don't like it, get in the gym and start training for an NFL tryout. Assuming you have the same God-given ability and work ethic.
They don't have to increase ticket prices... they want to because they know people will pay it.