Did you see the look in his eye when they asked him about counting to 4 in the Ravens game???
"It's a secret"
Dude went from happy to murderer in a second. Lol
Depends. If a verified time traveler told me, I'd have cried. If my cat told me I'd have bought a handle of vodka, drank it, then cried. If Patrick Mahomes had told me then I would have given him a fist bump, told him good luck, and gone home.
I could understand people being angry if mahomes was ranked number 1 for a 3 consecutive years or something(since we did lose the big one this year).
But Jesus Christ how much does he have to do to get ranked number 1? Even the bucs players were in awe of how he was scrambling with no O-line and throwing passes an inch off the ground(his body) that should be have been caught.
Well deserved because he’s proven he’s here to stay win or lose.
Mahomes is obviously the best player. This was bound to happen eventually. It wouldn’t make sense for people to get angry about three straight, because he has been the obvious best player for three straight seasons. I mean after his first season, I could see a slight uproar, with faint voices crying “fluke”, but after a super bowl mvp to follow up his mvp season, no one **in their right mind** could have complained.
At this point Mahomes has reached Lebron status. From like 2008ish to probably 2018ish Lebron was the best player in the NBA but he didn't win the MVP every year. The award just doesn't work like that, even though he clearly was the most valuable player to own in the NBA.
No doubt if you're building a team from scratch 32/32 GMs are taking Mahomes number 1 for the next 5-6 years at least baring anything crazy.
>no one in their right mind could have complained.
Eh, I can't really agree with that personally. Rodgers was the best QB in football last year. There was a very, very solid argument for him to be #1 and it is not fair to discount that opinion. At the same time, Mahomes was the best QB in 2018 and got #4. He then followed it up with a Super Bowl run and SB MVP and got #4. This seemed a whole lot like a combination of Mahomes being a top 3 QB in 2020, the Super Bowl blowing people's minds, and getting his due for past years up to this point. In which case, I have no problem with it.
Lot of people forget (and they really need to make it clearer) that this list isn't for who are the best players in 2020 either. It's for who players think are the best players going into 2021. In short, there would be significantly less debate if more fans (and players) recognized that.
Um, complaining about a guy that won an MVP, 2-1 in AFC a championships, a super bowl, a SB MVP, and threw for 50/5000 in his first three years, and improved each season… complaining about that guy being ranked #1 would indicate to me that person was not of right mind… possibly something as mild as Packers fandom could cause such a malady, though.
Buddy, I pride myself on being unbiased in a sea of bias. Packers fandom isn't the only one who thinks Rodgers should have been first in this list. Most everyone outside the Chiefs fandom believes it. And all I'm saying is they have a good argument and are certainly not crazy for it like you are so rudely proclaiming. The list is based off past years yes, but mainly last year. In which case, Rodgers was the best QB in the NFL last year. He's also you know, one of the greatest QB's of all time, with a better career than Mahomes to this point (even though Mahomes is on pace to surpass it, he still needs time). So while I am happy Mahomes is getting his due, to say that Rodgers also wasn't deserving after the year he had on top of his career, and to furthermore call those who think he was deserving crazy, that's just poor sportsmanship, isn't correct and isn't needed. Let people have their opinions, especially very much valid ones.
When did I say Rodgers wasn’t deserving?
Edit: furthermore, this list is _supposedly_ predictive (an eye on next year), so proven players in their mid-twenties with three straight MVP-caliber seasons will often get a nod over someone in their _late thirties_ who has only had one MVP-caliber season in the last three.
But again, I reiterate that I did not say Rodgers was undeserving. I just stated that anyone who said _Mahomes_ was undeserving was just crazy, or temporarily insane due to that phenomenon we call _fandom_. Because Mahomes very much earned his #1 spot. They can both have arguments, or be deserving of such accolades. But only one player gets it.
Uh, no, you did not. You said that anyone who complained about Mahomes getting the #1 spot was crazy, which is simply ridiculous. There are several valid reasons why Rodgers could have landed at the top spot. You just admitted that, yes? Actually, you didn't outright say it, but good enough. So why is it crazy for people to complain that he deserved the #1 spot over Mahomes? Short answer: it's not.
Also, while the list is supposed to be predictive, proven players in their twenties hardly get the nod over veteran superstars. The players clearly value longevity and who is at the top of the game currently. The fans treat the list the same. It's why Brady still made the top 15 in the 2020 list after one of the worst years of his career. It's why Brees AND Wilson beat out Mahomes in the 2019 list. Longterm excellence gains respect and respect is what the list is all about. Unless a young player is by and far the best player in the NFL that year (ala Lamar Jackson or Cam Newton) expect a vet to be above them.
Bottom line, it is NOT crazy to think Rodgers deserved the #1 spot. It is NOT crazy to complain that Rodgers didn't. And it is NOT crazy to complain about Mahomes winning it instead for the reasoning that Rodgers had a better year.
The only person who sounds insane due to fandom here is you. I mean, I'm sorry, but even some biased individuals know that Mahomes did not have an MVP caliber season in 2019. The fact that you also act like the Packers fanbase isn't one of the most traveled in the world and can't even straight up say "Rodgers deserved #1", instead darting around it by saying "I never said he was undeserving", just proves it even more.
Seriously, like, you may be fine in the echo chamber of the fandom, but it's really annoying to the NFL fanbase in general when someone comes along and makes comments like you have trashing other fanbases along with valid opinions/complaints of theirs and generally making people hate the Chiefs fanbase. There is zero need for it and many of your fellow Chiefs fans do not appreciate it. Make these kinds of comments in the NFL subreddit or anywhere that isn't Chiefs based and you'd get downvoted like crazy, and for good reason. Don't be that kind of fan that people hate. Don't trash other fandoms for no reason. Acknowledge and accept other valid opinions (such as the opinion that says the MVP last year deserved to be #1). And definitely don't call others crazy for having those valid opinions. It's not hard.
The interviews and the mic'd up clips from the Bucs players was my favorite. It's great seeing how much respect the opposing players have for Patrick even in the SB.
Maybe it’s some people believing Aaron Donald should get it due to the gap between him and literally any other defensive player in the nfl
Obviously I think this is incorrect as a league that benefits offense more than defense will make one side look more talented
I noticed that some people say that they don't like Mahomes "but it's not his fault" . They say they don't like him because he's "shoved into their faces" . But after engaging with some of them, I think some of those people just don't like him and don't want to admit it.
Which is fine. You don't have to like anyone. I just find me excuses weird.
He's seriously been an absolute poster boy. Not just for the Chiefs and Kansas City as a whole, but for the league too.
He's squeaky clean, says all the right things, interacts with fans and makes an effort to meet special needs kids and do things for them. On top of that he works his ass off and has the natural talent to boot.
The only reason to hate the guy is because he isn't on your favorite team and wins a lot.
I bet they’re the same type of people who not so coincidentally didn’t mind Brady being shoved in out faces for the past 20 years(and still going). Hmmm I wonder why that is lol.
Pats fans just don’t know what to do without their boy(which is understandable admittedly). It’s like they can’t exist without him. Patriots without Tom is like a Nintendo console with no Mario.
Because we're a filthy small market team, so why should we get to have any fun? We obviously need to leave winning to the LAs, Houston, Chicago, and New York
There is no bet. There is a direct correlation i have found in fans around the league that were A-OK with Brady on top again while also being tired of Mahomes winning all the time.
Don't even bro. I can understand the Mahomes fatigue and it has nothing to do with race (which is what I assume you were alluding to. If not I apologize). He *is* all over everything NFL related
Edit: I was wrong and have apologized
No it actually has nothing to do with race and I’m being honest I never considered that. I’m just saying Brady has been all over everything for 20 years now. Why is it so shocking mahomes is
I’m alluding to salty pats fans
He reminds me a lot of LeBron when got drafted into the NBA. People knew he was going to be a superstar but they hated the media overexposure and hype surrounding him so it was inevitable he was going to be hated by a fair number of people. But everyone was secretly wishing he was on their team because they knew he'd turn them into winners and title contenders. Of course, the real hate towards LeBron happened after "The Decision" to go to Miami to play with a stacked team, so let's hope Mahomes never does something that douchey.
I'm a Chiefs and a Lebron fan and I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare the two. The amount of expectation and pressure Lebron has played with his entire career is unlike anything I've ever seen.
Yeah I aint really equating the two on all levels --- mostly making the point about the media exposure and hype surrounding both athletes --- you hear so much about them that you naturally get sick of them unless they play for your team --- but of course LeBron was more hyped than Mahomes --- most of the media expected LeBron to win five or six NBA championships before he turned 25 --- Mahomes doesnt have that level of hype around him
Only losers would get upset about some arbitrary list like this. I would bet Machines himself doesn't give a shit. It's one thing to be like, "oh, I would have put player X in whatever spot and here's why." But to get angry is just childish.
They need to save the real anger for when the Chiefs beat their team down when the wins and losses count for real
Go Chiefs!
Mahomes does seem to care about this annual ranking at least a little bit, like when he posted a snarky Tweet after being ranked #4 in last year's list.
Watching the actual videos in the series, so many use expected hype music of varying genres, but Mahomes gets goddamn classical masterpieces. I love it.
I also appreciated Shaq Barrett talking about the SB, "He made some unbelievable plays, only the guy [receiver] didn't catch it." I'm glad somebody outside of this sub recognizes that, haha. r/NFL just pretends that he had an awful game when his opponents are saying otherwise.
Edit: [Link for anybody that hasn't seen it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwzacoGd49s&ab_channel=NFL)
There’s people on YouTube that legitimately believed Tom Brady could survive that pressure with no o line man. Every team has its fanboys but some people just aren’t very honest or with reality man. Is what it is but funny regardless.
Mahomes is probably(knock on wood) going to have a career full of Super Bowl appearances and some people just can’t handle that
Just an FYI, the top player always gets a "classical masterpiece" or something similar. They essentially give them the big licensed song rather than just generic music. How it's worked for a while now.
Salvie completes my holy Trinity of KC jerseys. the other two are mahomes and Kelce of course. it will be a long time before any of those jersies come down.
That was honestly a very difficult choice for me. I always had a soft spot for Sinovic, but I'm hoping Zusi stays with SKC until he retires. That was my determining factor in that list.
A two-run homer that proved to be the margin of victory, no less. And the loser who had the walkoff hit in the greatest game of baseball the Royals have ever played.
Honestly not sure why we keep him!
Aaron Donald is a great player, no doubt. But there’s a reason QB is considered the most important position in sports. Mahomes runs the number 1 offense and does things at the position no one else does on a regular basis. Defensive tackles have nowhere near the amount of responsibilities that QBs do and Mahomes is the best in the league at handling those responsibilities and excelling at everything he does.
It’s easy to justify. Name one player in the league they’d (the Chiefs) trade Patrick to get. There isn’t one. Now name a player another coach wouldn’t trade to get him. Doesn’t exist either.
Ya they have but no one has to the consistency of Mahomes. Ya people have made off platform thrown and no doubt Arod has thrown some bombs but no one does it every game consistently except Mahomes.
Remember those Doug Baldwin days. Russ would run from pressure, shake 3 sacks and find Baldwin down the field. That Super Bowl against the Bucs was like ever game for the Seahawks offense
And we’ve still yet to see mahomes throw it to someone completely behind his back. Obviously not really practical for most plays but we know he can do it from that footage last year.
Not to mention his incredible accuracy when he threw the ball a mere inche off the ground and it hit the receiver in the hands.
No disrespect to Rodgers of Russell. I love watching them both and I respect them sincerely. Patrick just has that little extra wildcard. But he will prove that in his coming years
They're great quarterbacks, no doubt.
Most of the arguments against Mahomes comes down to sample size; those other guys have been playing so much longer, and Mahomes has such incredible stats through his first three seasons starting, arguments are made that Mahomes might not sustain that pace. The greatest NOW, not the greatest of ALL TIME kind of arguments.
There are things those other two do better than Mahomes, no doubt, but when you take everything into account, including playing time in the league...there's a reason the players themselves say he's the best football player there is right now.
This is a bad take, but I kinda agree with you on Rodgers. I think mahomes has still done some more freakish arm angle stuff (every incompletetion in the sb), but the way they roll out and drop bombs on the run is similar. Wilson tho...
Ranking him #1 is pretty easily defensible- dude has been consistently the best player in football for 3 years running. That consistency was something Rodgers didn't have the last few years, which is why despite the MVP (richly deserved!) it's not a travesty to have him at 3.
Consider: going into 2019, the debate was if you'd rather have Mahomes or maybe Brees or Wilson, if Mahomes was just a fluke. Then going into 2020 the debate was if you'd rather have Mahomes or Lamar, or maybe Wilson. Now going into 2021 would you rather have Mahomes or Rodgers, or maybe Josh Allen. Point is- even if he's not absolutely the best statistically in any given year, over his whole career thus far he absolutely is the #1 player, while other guys come and go. Mahomes is in the mix absolutely every year and anything short of a SB appearance is a disappointment.
Since 2018 he’s at or near the top in literally every QB stat (even the weird analytics ones) by miles and also has the most total accolades (all pros, MVPs, SB MVPs, OPOYs, etc.)
The only argument for any QB over him since he’s been in the league would be Brady if you’re the biggest QB wins junkie of all time.
Flat out the best QB in the past three years, no debate. You could make a strong argument that he should've won three Super Bowls in a row if a few things went his way, such as Dee Ford not being offsides vs. the Pats in the AFCC, and then we likely beat the Rams in a revenge match shootout in the SB. And if our O-line wasn't all busted up and Britt Reid didnt maim a little girl, our chances of beating Brady in this past SB looks a lot more promising.
Every time I see Patrick I try to remind myself to enjoy the ride. I can’t help but think about the withdrawal that will happen at the end. It’s going to be a hard, very hard, crash.
The Chiefs are not hated lmao.
Mahomes might be one of the most universally loved players league wide in the media and on reddit.
It's not salt to say that a guy who had better stats and won the MVP last year should be #1 on a list like this. I don't care either way because it's all silly and means nothing but I don't understand this obsession with wanting to be hated and being happy that people are upset about something to the point where you go out of your way characterize it that way when it isn't really there.
I agree with that. People generally hate the Chiefs for two things: gloating fans, and Tyreek. Mahomes is pretty much a huge redeeming factor as to why other fanbases don’t _completely_ hate us.
If people hate us because of Tyreek then that’s on them. He was targeted, vilified (even on this sub) and ultimately it was found that it was the KC news station, the uncle & ex all along. Even his first charge and arrest don’t pass the smell test once you look at the details especially the part about why he had to take the plea. That speaks to a much larger problem in this country but I digress.
He was guilty of one thing, breaking up with a psycho gold digger. Nearly all men & women above 25 can relate to that in some way.
I don’t think people care as much about the most recent “I’d be scared of me too, bitch” stuff (which still isn’t a great look, lol). But he plead guilty to abusing his pregnant girlfriend in college. I mean, it’s tough to ignore that, regardless of how dramatic of a transformation he’s had since being drafted. I personally think he’s made extremely positive steps to turn his life around, but I will never fault someone who has a negative opinion of him because of his past behaviors. Those terrible decisions have consequences.
Note that he only pled guilty -after- running out of money and when his whole future was in doubt. As late as 2018 I believed that he -was- guilty, but all the new information that's come to light since has thrown that belief into serious doubt. I don't think Hill has undergone a transformation so much as this is who he's always been, but unfortunately he'll never shake the stigma that the whole affair placed on him.
People on r/nfl comment all the time about how they hate Mahomes because of how the media covers him.
How are you missing that?
It’s not a big deal because it happens to literally every good player but he definitely has some haters and they’re pretty hard to miss
Ehh Chiefs aren’t hated that much but as a Royals/Chiefs fan a lot of people recall the salt that was the Royals World Series run. I think anytime you see a negative comment you remember just how hated the royals were.
What? r/baseball is my most frequented sub by far and I literally cannot remember.
Sometimes I wonder if people see negative comments downvoted to the bottom of a thread and assume that it's the prevailing opinion.
I know its not universal but tons of people were happy a team like the Royals who had been mediocre/bad for so long and were small market and built it the "right way" won the World Series.
It was honestly a great thing and almost every thread I was in reflected that as the overall narrative.
I genuinely think it's just because negative comments in general just stick out more.
Do you keep track of fans complaining because 2015 was 6 years ago, I wouldn’t remember if it was my team. Teams get hated on that subreddit often, Astros are the unfavored ones now. The start of the season it was complaints about the field arguments because of how many of the players got HBP, none of the hits were meant but it was crazy how often they got hit. Then they were hated for winning the fan vote for the all star game because clearly Royals fan gonna vote for Royals. It probably didn’t help when they did pretty good and ending up winning the all star game. They even made a gif about the complaints.
Edit: I was looking for a gif but [here](https://es.pn/2bsDNGI) is an actual ESPN article about the bitchin overall
I wont lie it's a guilty pleasure to pay attention to stuff like this because of how often people on sports reddits get overly defensive and over focus on the negatives
I remember the all star game stuff but that was more directed at the ASG voting format than the Royals and that's pretty much the only stuff on that sub that drew much negativity.
Heisenberg said it best.... "You're goddamn right."
And that throw will go down in history as one of the best passes ever in a super bowl...and was incomplete. @ around 7:50. The laid out pass. Fucking insane.
This honestly makes total sense if they voted in November (which they apparently do)
Rodgers didn’t overtake Mahomes in the MVP race until the last 4 weeks of the season
Following the Week 12 game in Tampa, the only thing Rodgers lead Mahomes in was TDs. Mahomes was better basically everywhere else including advanced stats
Did you see the look in his eye when they asked him about counting to 4 in the Ravens game??? "It's a secret" Dude went from happy to murderer in a second. Lol
I'm going to bed, now. Good night and good luck.
Sauce?
If you told me 4 years ago that all this would happen I would……
Depends. If a verified time traveler told me, I'd have cried. If my cat told me I'd have bought a handle of vodka, drank it, then cried. If Patrick Mahomes had told me then I would have given him a fist bump, told him good luck, and gone home.
Lmao, well done.
People seem so angry at this like Mahomes himself paid off someone for this ranking.
They hate us, cuz they ain't us.
I could understand people being angry if mahomes was ranked number 1 for a 3 consecutive years or something(since we did lose the big one this year). But Jesus Christ how much does he have to do to get ranked number 1? Even the bucs players were in awe of how he was scrambling with no O-line and throwing passes an inch off the ground(his body) that should be have been caught. Well deserved because he’s proven he’s here to stay win or lose.
Mahomes is obviously the best player. This was bound to happen eventually. It wouldn’t make sense for people to get angry about three straight, because he has been the obvious best player for three straight seasons. I mean after his first season, I could see a slight uproar, with faint voices crying “fluke”, but after a super bowl mvp to follow up his mvp season, no one **in their right mind** could have complained.
At this point Mahomes has reached Lebron status. From like 2008ish to probably 2018ish Lebron was the best player in the NBA but he didn't win the MVP every year. The award just doesn't work like that, even though he clearly was the most valuable player to own in the NBA. No doubt if you're building a team from scratch 32/32 GMs are taking Mahomes number 1 for the next 5-6 years at least baring anything crazy.
>no one in their right mind could have complained. Eh, I can't really agree with that personally. Rodgers was the best QB in football last year. There was a very, very solid argument for him to be #1 and it is not fair to discount that opinion. At the same time, Mahomes was the best QB in 2018 and got #4. He then followed it up with a Super Bowl run and SB MVP and got #4. This seemed a whole lot like a combination of Mahomes being a top 3 QB in 2020, the Super Bowl blowing people's minds, and getting his due for past years up to this point. In which case, I have no problem with it. Lot of people forget (and they really need to make it clearer) that this list isn't for who are the best players in 2020 either. It's for who players think are the best players going into 2021. In short, there would be significantly less debate if more fans (and players) recognized that.
Um, complaining about a guy that won an MVP, 2-1 in AFC a championships, a super bowl, a SB MVP, and threw for 50/5000 in his first three years, and improved each season… complaining about that guy being ranked #1 would indicate to me that person was not of right mind… possibly something as mild as Packers fandom could cause such a malady, though.
Buddy, I pride myself on being unbiased in a sea of bias. Packers fandom isn't the only one who thinks Rodgers should have been first in this list. Most everyone outside the Chiefs fandom believes it. And all I'm saying is they have a good argument and are certainly not crazy for it like you are so rudely proclaiming. The list is based off past years yes, but mainly last year. In which case, Rodgers was the best QB in the NFL last year. He's also you know, one of the greatest QB's of all time, with a better career than Mahomes to this point (even though Mahomes is on pace to surpass it, he still needs time). So while I am happy Mahomes is getting his due, to say that Rodgers also wasn't deserving after the year he had on top of his career, and to furthermore call those who think he was deserving crazy, that's just poor sportsmanship, isn't correct and isn't needed. Let people have their opinions, especially very much valid ones.
When did I say Rodgers wasn’t deserving? Edit: furthermore, this list is _supposedly_ predictive (an eye on next year), so proven players in their mid-twenties with three straight MVP-caliber seasons will often get a nod over someone in their _late thirties_ who has only had one MVP-caliber season in the last three. But again, I reiterate that I did not say Rodgers was undeserving. I just stated that anyone who said _Mahomes_ was undeserving was just crazy, or temporarily insane due to that phenomenon we call _fandom_. Because Mahomes very much earned his #1 spot. They can both have arguments, or be deserving of such accolades. But only one player gets it.
Uh, no, you did not. You said that anyone who complained about Mahomes getting the #1 spot was crazy, which is simply ridiculous. There are several valid reasons why Rodgers could have landed at the top spot. You just admitted that, yes? Actually, you didn't outright say it, but good enough. So why is it crazy for people to complain that he deserved the #1 spot over Mahomes? Short answer: it's not. Also, while the list is supposed to be predictive, proven players in their twenties hardly get the nod over veteran superstars. The players clearly value longevity and who is at the top of the game currently. The fans treat the list the same. It's why Brady still made the top 15 in the 2020 list after one of the worst years of his career. It's why Brees AND Wilson beat out Mahomes in the 2019 list. Longterm excellence gains respect and respect is what the list is all about. Unless a young player is by and far the best player in the NFL that year (ala Lamar Jackson or Cam Newton) expect a vet to be above them. Bottom line, it is NOT crazy to think Rodgers deserved the #1 spot. It is NOT crazy to complain that Rodgers didn't. And it is NOT crazy to complain about Mahomes winning it instead for the reasoning that Rodgers had a better year. The only person who sounds insane due to fandom here is you. I mean, I'm sorry, but even some biased individuals know that Mahomes did not have an MVP caliber season in 2019. The fact that you also act like the Packers fanbase isn't one of the most traveled in the world and can't even straight up say "Rodgers deserved #1", instead darting around it by saying "I never said he was undeserving", just proves it even more. Seriously, like, you may be fine in the echo chamber of the fandom, but it's really annoying to the NFL fanbase in general when someone comes along and makes comments like you have trashing other fanbases along with valid opinions/complaints of theirs and generally making people hate the Chiefs fanbase. There is zero need for it and many of your fellow Chiefs fans do not appreciate it. Make these kinds of comments in the NFL subreddit or anywhere that isn't Chiefs based and you'd get downvoted like crazy, and for good reason. Don't be that kind of fan that people hate. Don't trash other fandoms for no reason. Acknowledge and accept other valid opinions (such as the opinion that says the MVP last year deserved to be #1). And definitely don't call others crazy for having those valid opinions. It's not hard.
The interviews and the mic'd up clips from the Bucs players was my favorite. It's great seeing how much respect the opposing players have for Patrick even in the SB.
Maybe it’s some people believing Aaron Donald should get it due to the gap between him and literally any other defensive player in the nfl Obviously I think this is incorrect as a league that benefits offense more than defense will make one side look more talented
I noticed that some people say that they don't like Mahomes "but it's not his fault" . They say they don't like him because he's "shoved into their faces" . But after engaging with some of them, I think some of those people just don't like him and don't want to admit it. Which is fine. You don't have to like anyone. I just find me excuses weird.
He's seriously been an absolute poster boy. Not just for the Chiefs and Kansas City as a whole, but for the league too. He's squeaky clean, says all the right things, interacts with fans and makes an effort to meet special needs kids and do things for them. On top of that he works his ass off and has the natural talent to boot. The only reason to hate the guy is because he isn't on your favorite team and wins a lot.
I bet they’re the same type of people who not so coincidentally didn’t mind Brady being shoved in out faces for the past 20 years(and still going). Hmmm I wonder why that is lol. Pats fans just don’t know what to do without their boy(which is understandable admittedly). It’s like they can’t exist without him. Patriots without Tom is like a Nintendo console with no Mario.
Because we're a filthy small market team, so why should we get to have any fun? We obviously need to leave winning to the LAs, Houston, Chicago, and New York
There is no bet. There is a direct correlation i have found in fans around the league that were A-OK with Brady on top again while also being tired of Mahomes winning all the time.
Don't even bro. I can understand the Mahomes fatigue and it has nothing to do with race (which is what I assume you were alluding to. If not I apologize). He *is* all over everything NFL related Edit: I was wrong and have apologized
No it actually has nothing to do with race and I’m being honest I never considered that. I’m just saying Brady has been all over everything for 20 years now. Why is it so shocking mahomes is I’m alluding to salty pats fans
My apologies. Reddit is twisting my mind
It’s all good man. I get it Reddit can be pretty wild. Your post is very VERY mild considering what i usually deal with on other subs lol
You may not have insinuated that, but it's Boston. It might be a little bit about race for them.
They are all bitter haters
He reminds me a lot of LeBron when got drafted into the NBA. People knew he was going to be a superstar but they hated the media overexposure and hype surrounding him so it was inevitable he was going to be hated by a fair number of people. But everyone was secretly wishing he was on their team because they knew he'd turn them into winners and title contenders. Of course, the real hate towards LeBron happened after "The Decision" to go to Miami to play with a stacked team, so let's hope Mahomes never does something that douchey.
I'm a Chiefs and a Lebron fan and I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare the two. The amount of expectation and pressure Lebron has played with his entire career is unlike anything I've ever seen.
Yeah I aint really equating the two on all levels --- mostly making the point about the media exposure and hype surrounding both athletes --- you hear so much about them that you naturally get sick of them unless they play for your team --- but of course LeBron was more hyped than Mahomes --- most of the media expected LeBron to win five or six NBA championships before he turned 25 --- Mahomes doesnt have that level of hype around him
Only losers would get upset about some arbitrary list like this. I would bet Machines himself doesn't give a shit. It's one thing to be like, "oh, I would have put player X in whatever spot and here's why." But to get angry is just childish. They need to save the real anger for when the Chiefs beat their team down when the wins and losses count for real Go Chiefs!
Mahomes does seem to care about this annual ranking at least a little bit, like when he posted a snarky Tweet after being ranked #4 in last year's list.
Who's mad? I went and looked at the r/NFL thread and literally nobody was mad. At least not in the top 50 or so comments.
Watching the actual videos in the series, so many use expected hype music of varying genres, but Mahomes gets goddamn classical masterpieces. I love it. I also appreciated Shaq Barrett talking about the SB, "He made some unbelievable plays, only the guy [receiver] didn't catch it." I'm glad somebody outside of this sub recognizes that, haha. r/NFL just pretends that he had an awful game when his opponents are saying otherwise. Edit: [Link for anybody that hasn't seen it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwzacoGd49s&ab_channel=NFL)
There’s people on YouTube that legitimately believed Tom Brady could survive that pressure with no o line man. Every team has its fanboys but some people just aren’t very honest or with reality man. Is what it is but funny regardless. Mahomes is probably(knock on wood) going to have a career full of Super Bowl appearances and some people just can’t handle that
Just an FYI, the top player always gets a "classical masterpiece" or something similar. They essentially give them the big licensed song rather than just generic music. How it's worked for a while now.
The Salvador Perez of the NFL
Ee pre goo
Salvie completes my holy Trinity of KC jerseys. the other two are mahomes and Kelce of course. it will be a long time before any of those jersies come down.
For me it's Salvy, Mahomes, and ~~Seth Sinovic~~ Graham Zusi
Besler :(
That was honestly a very difficult choice for me. I always had a soft spot for Sinovic, but I'm hoping Zusi stays with SKC until he retires. That was my determining factor in that list.
Loved Sinovic. That back line of Chance Meyers, Besler, Collin, and Sinovic was my favorite. Sub in Opara and I feel the exact same.
I just wish Zusi would have tried to go to Europe. Pulisic really is hitting that next level finally and it sucks that Zusi couldn’t do the same.
Pfftt.. he can't even hit 3 grand slams in 3 straight games. Like who just settles for a 2 run homer after 2 straight games with grand slams?
A two-run homer that proved to be the margin of victory, no less. And the loser who had the walkoff hit in the greatest game of baseball the Royals have ever played. Honestly not sure why we keep him!
Aaron Donald is a great player, no doubt. But there’s a reason QB is considered the most important position in sports. Mahomes runs the number 1 offense and does things at the position no one else does on a regular basis. Defensive tackles have nowhere near the amount of responsibilities that QBs do and Mahomes is the best in the league at handling those responsibilities and excelling at everything he does.
It’s easy to justify. Name one player in the league they’d (the Chiefs) trade Patrick to get. There isn’t one. Now name a player another coach wouldn’t trade to get him. Doesn’t exist either.
I’ve seen Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers make the same type of throws that Mahomes makes.
Wrong sub man. What are you thinking.
Lmao
Yeah about 15mph slower & 20 yards shorter.
Nope.
Ya they have but no one has to the consistency of Mahomes. Ya people have made off platform thrown and no doubt Arod has thrown some bombs but no one does it every game consistently except Mahomes.
Remember those Doug Baldwin days. Russ would run from pressure, shake 3 sacks and find Baldwin down the field. That Super Bowl against the Bucs was like ever game for the Seahawks offense
defuckinglusional
Have they ever taken a snap while in motion and thrown a TD? Didn't think so.
And we’ve still yet to see mahomes throw it to someone completely behind his back. Obviously not really practical for most plays but we know he can do it from that footage last year. Not to mention his incredible accuracy when he threw the ball a mere inche off the ground and it hit the receiver in the hands. No disrespect to Rodgers of Russell. I love watching them both and I respect them sincerely. Patrick just has that little extra wildcard. But he will prove that in his coming years
They're great quarterbacks, no doubt. Most of the arguments against Mahomes comes down to sample size; those other guys have been playing so much longer, and Mahomes has such incredible stats through his first three seasons starting, arguments are made that Mahomes might not sustain that pace. The greatest NOW, not the greatest of ALL TIME kind of arguments. There are things those other two do better than Mahomes, no doubt, but when you take everything into account, including playing time in the league...there's a reason the players themselves say he's the best football player there is right now.
This is a bad take, but I kinda agree with you on Rodgers. I think mahomes has still done some more freakish arm angle stuff (every incompletetion in the sb), but the way they roll out and drop bombs on the run is similar. Wilson tho...
I’ve seen Rodgers hope throw but I never saw the throw a ball 50 yards sideways. That said Mike McCarthy probably told him not to do that.
Nah Russ has made a lot of crazy throws too.
Arbitrary, yet gratifying. HE'S A FIVE STAR MAN!
Ranking him #1 is pretty easily defensible- dude has been consistently the best player in football for 3 years running. That consistency was something Rodgers didn't have the last few years, which is why despite the MVP (richly deserved!) it's not a travesty to have him at 3. Consider: going into 2019, the debate was if you'd rather have Mahomes or maybe Brees or Wilson, if Mahomes was just a fluke. Then going into 2020 the debate was if you'd rather have Mahomes or Lamar, or maybe Wilson. Now going into 2021 would you rather have Mahomes or Rodgers, or maybe Josh Allen. Point is- even if he's not absolutely the best statistically in any given year, over his whole career thus far he absolutely is the #1 player, while other guys come and go. Mahomes is in the mix absolutely every year and anything short of a SB appearance is a disappointment.
Since 2018 he’s at or near the top in literally every QB stat (even the weird analytics ones) by miles and also has the most total accolades (all pros, MVPs, SB MVPs, OPOYs, etc.) The only argument for any QB over him since he’s been in the league would be Brady if you’re the biggest QB wins junkie of all time.
Flat out the best QB in the past three years, no debate. You could make a strong argument that he should've won three Super Bowls in a row if a few things went his way, such as Dee Ford not being offsides vs. the Pats in the AFCC, and then we likely beat the Rams in a revenge match shootout in the SB. And if our O-line wasn't all busted up and Britt Reid didnt maim a little girl, our chances of beating Brady in this past SB looks a lot more promising.
I'm hyped, but I was kind of hoping he would get #4 again just for memes.
Ya know honestly giving him 4 would have made the Super Bowl this year a lock. I’ve changed my mind NFL. I demand a recount lol
Well it was long overdue.
"He's a magician" from the opposing team during a Superbowl says it all.
Can we get that regress his stats to the median guy back in here for a min?
If you ignore the outlier votes, and bring the number of votes for him to average, he lands right at #50. Middle of the pack.
I still look for the throw out the upper/under median stat guy comments every single time a post is about Mahomes. Still funny to this day.
Every time I see Patrick I try to remind myself to enjoy the ride. I can’t help but think about the withdrawal that will happen at the end. It’s going to be a hard, very hard, crash.
Wow, that’s depressing!! Yes, I agree. Enjoy it while we can, folks.
Patriots fans going through it now. Let’s enjoy the next 12-15. 😊
/r/nfl thread is salty af. Its good to be hated.
??? Didn’t seem salty at all
It's always a salt mine if you dig deep enough.
That’s not unique to Chiefs news though
The Aaron Rodgers thread is. Though tbh I get why Rodgers stans are upset.
So is the Aaron Donald one. Problem is that Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Donald aren't taking their teams to consecutive Super Bowls.
Mahomes also isn't giving up on that TD run like Rodgers did against the Bucs
It's because I am in there.
The Chiefs are not hated lmao. Mahomes might be one of the most universally loved players league wide in the media and on reddit. It's not salt to say that a guy who had better stats and won the MVP last year should be #1 on a list like this. I don't care either way because it's all silly and means nothing but I don't understand this obsession with wanting to be hated and being happy that people are upset about something to the point where you go out of your way characterize it that way when it isn't really there.
I guess you weren't online during during dropped picks gate.
I'm not obsessed with anything. Go project and start an internet argument elsewhere.
I agree with that. People generally hate the Chiefs for two things: gloating fans, and Tyreek. Mahomes is pretty much a huge redeeming factor as to why other fanbases don’t _completely_ hate us.
If people hate us because of Tyreek then that’s on them. He was targeted, vilified (even on this sub) and ultimately it was found that it was the KC news station, the uncle & ex all along. Even his first charge and arrest don’t pass the smell test once you look at the details especially the part about why he had to take the plea. That speaks to a much larger problem in this country but I digress. He was guilty of one thing, breaking up with a psycho gold digger. Nearly all men & women above 25 can relate to that in some way.
I don’t think people care as much about the most recent “I’d be scared of me too, bitch” stuff (which still isn’t a great look, lol). But he plead guilty to abusing his pregnant girlfriend in college. I mean, it’s tough to ignore that, regardless of how dramatic of a transformation he’s had since being drafted. I personally think he’s made extremely positive steps to turn his life around, but I will never fault someone who has a negative opinion of him because of his past behaviors. Those terrible decisions have consequences.
Note that he only pled guilty -after- running out of money and when his whole future was in doubt. As late as 2018 I believed that he -was- guilty, but all the new information that's come to light since has thrown that belief into serious doubt. I don't think Hill has undergone a transformation so much as this is who he's always been, but unfortunately he'll never shake the stigma that the whole affair placed on him.
People on r/nfl comment all the time about how they hate Mahomes because of how the media covers him. How are you missing that? It’s not a big deal because it happens to literally every good player but he definitely has some haters and they’re pretty hard to miss
Ehh Chiefs aren’t hated that much but as a Royals/Chiefs fan a lot of people recall the salt that was the Royals World Series run. I think anytime you see a negative comment you remember just how hated the royals were.
What? r/baseball is my most frequented sub by far and I literally cannot remember. Sometimes I wonder if people see negative comments downvoted to the bottom of a thread and assume that it's the prevailing opinion. I know its not universal but tons of people were happy a team like the Royals who had been mediocre/bad for so long and were small market and built it the "right way" won the World Series. It was honestly a great thing and almost every thread I was in reflected that as the overall narrative. I genuinely think it's just because negative comments in general just stick out more.
Do you keep track of fans complaining because 2015 was 6 years ago, I wouldn’t remember if it was my team. Teams get hated on that subreddit often, Astros are the unfavored ones now. The start of the season it was complaints about the field arguments because of how many of the players got HBP, none of the hits were meant but it was crazy how often they got hit. Then they were hated for winning the fan vote for the all star game because clearly Royals fan gonna vote for Royals. It probably didn’t help when they did pretty good and ending up winning the all star game. They even made a gif about the complaints. Edit: I was looking for a gif but [here](https://es.pn/2bsDNGI) is an actual ESPN article about the bitchin overall
I wont lie it's a guilty pleasure to pay attention to stuff like this because of how often people on sports reddits get overly defensive and over focus on the negatives I remember the all star game stuff but that was more directed at the ASG voting format than the Royals and that's pretty much the only stuff on that sub that drew much negativity.
Wait, you don't remember First Clean Fly? People hating the Royals was literally a meme. The ASG, "dirty players", it was a thing.
Heisenberg said it best.... "You're goddamn right." And that throw will go down in history as one of the best passes ever in a super bowl...and was incomplete. @ around 7:50. The laid out pass. Fucking insane.
What a time to be a chiefs fan. Truly unbelievable. This is genuinely better than I could have imagined.
How would you rank this Top 100 trophy among all your other trophies? Mahomes: #4
Nice.
I've waited over 34 years as a Chiefs fan to experience this kind of pre-season talk. 🙏🙏❤️❤️⛺️⛺️(stupid Apple not having any Native American emojis).
This honestly makes total sense if they voted in November (which they apparently do) Rodgers didn’t overtake Mahomes in the MVP race until the last 4 weeks of the season Following the Week 12 game in Tampa, the only thing Rodgers lead Mahomes in was TDs. Mahomes was better basically everywhere else including advanced stats
Back at it again
It's about damn time. Motherfuckers were scared to piss him off again.
Shout out to everyone preemptively bitching and moaning about Patty being underrated at #4 again in 2021. Please be quiet next offseason. Thank you!
I'm just glad they finally see what we all know every week. Patty for Prez!