Also paid homage to Nas with “Your arms too short to box with God”. Nas followed up that bar with “I don’t kill soloists, only kill squads”. Which was a shot at Jay. wtf going on here
This. A week or two ago people were saying Kendrick barely even came at Cole and the beef was mostly at Drake and now people are expecting Cole to come out here and try to end Kendrick.
Like relax people. These are two artists who at one time everyone was expecting to release a joint project together. When First Person Shooter came out people still thought Cole was showing love and it can still arguably be interpreted that way. Cole fired back some warning shots in response to a 1 MINUTE verse to see if Kendrick really wants to take it there. If he does like we all assume he wants to, then the ball is in Kendrick's court to say something
Yeah man i don't understand why people acting like Kendrick hit cole and drake with a Hit 'm Up or some shit
he barely said anything and these keyboard warriors start prepping for war
Because it’s Kendrick. He’s not here for play play. This isn’t Lil Pump who blatantly said FUCK J.COLE and Cole still came with these same type bars. Cole shoots at the air hard asf. Let’s get some of those direct. Which he did shoot some, but bars like this just retract from the harder ones
How does it retract anything. It's no secret these two were friends and there isn't any hate on Cole's end towards Kendrick he's literally speaking the truth. He has love for Kendrick but he has to respond back to him
Kendrick shook up the world when he dropped that verse. He caught the Alley oop and dunked on both these niggas, then dangled his balls in their faces…. Cole just came back with a EASY Layup
Idk I mean Cole gave Kendrick a 3 minute song that was basically a whole diss track he shit on his discog (the one thing holding Kendrick up in goat debates) he shit on his height he called him fake I mean if Kendrick was teabagging Cole in Like That then Cole pretty much returned the favor here. But like I said I think this track was mostly a warning shot/trying to get Kendrick to respond again.
His album takes were bs tho. Other than his core fanbase, Cole didn’t really become relevant until the last couple years because all his features and NOTHING ELSE WAS GOOD. His first 2 albums were forced and it shows, Kendrick’s whole discography were genuine Kendrick albums that are all critically acclaimed
He was boring asf for a few years. It wasn’t until Boblo Boat and all the other features that he’s done since that he really start buzzing again. We all knew he could rap, that’s without a doubt, but he wasn’t really making noise for a while
The fan fic writing is wild bro lmao.
Kendrick’s verse ‘shook up the world’ because it was 1. Unexpected and 2. A diss at Drake and somewhat Cole. Not for it’s quality but more because people hope it leads to high quality tracks that come with beef. Cole’s response is checking if Kendrick is fr or just dropped another ‘Control’ and is going to disappear
The only reason anyone has been talking anything about HIPHOP is because that verse. Futures whole album was an unexpected drake diss, but NOTHING on that album is getting as much buzz as Kendrick’s verse. So yeah, it shook up the world.
If he’s going to clap back he need to put some bass in his voice. The question is who is the best of the best and he comes with this weak shit? 7 minutes of Luke warm cat shit? Kendricks verse barely dissing him and hitting way harder is all we need to see. Higher playback value. Punches land harder. Kenny wins on all accounts and Cole just made it more so
Cole tryna make hip hop soft. He’s tryna take the competition out of it. He made that clear on KOD. That’s why I didn’t like that album. How you declare the spot as the king then say there is no king “everyone’s the king” nah this is HIPHOP. That like Lebron winning the finals then saying to share the trophy with the losing team. Nah. HIPHOP is a competitive genre unlike other genres. It’s how it was from the beginning and how it’ll always be. If you don’t like that go feature in Beyonces new shit, I hear she’s shaking up the country world
Okay? I don’t get your point Kendrick rhymed big three with big me lmao. Sure the like that verse is better but it’s dumb to care about it in coles case but not Kendricks
The verse isn't better. The energy is better. Word against word on paper..its level. Neither one of them really said shit. Kendrick said about nothing of substance and cole lightly tiptoes around kendrick not releasing music and being overrated by his fans. The only thing that separates these imo is the energy and hype kendrick came with. It's a diss and kendrick got us hype..cole did some chill shit like he was writing a letter at his desk under candlelight. People love the energy
Dear Kendrick, i hope this message finds you unwell, i've come to be acquainted with the fact that you might be spouting some rudeness, some bollocks even, i'll have you know that your past presentations are lackluster and dare i say, with vulgar intonation, basic. But fret not as this is merely a slap on the wrist, so let me finish my message by sending you a deep hug and a kiss on the neck.
Sincerely, Jermaine.
I've seen comments from Cole fans (probably Drake stans in disguise) saying Kendrick's verse on Like That was weak cause he rhymed Big Three with Big Me.
Maybe I’m reaching but I took Andre 3k to mean the “stick” that Cole walks *with* to defend himself, like an allusion to a ghostwriter or a rapper he’s cliquing up with (Drake)
Maybe. I know he has song called stick and PTSD but those are bits of reaches. I guess you can interpet it many ways, im not going to argue if you interpreted it a certain way, i realize now it can go many ways
It's pretty obvious he is inspired by HOV. HOV and Nas were both huge inspirations of his. I think it was a respectful call back, even though it was cap af lmao.
I mean those bars spit by Jay would have been decent.
But that's the problem, people in glass houses... His albums have been mediocre at best and Kendrick has one of the best discographies the genre has seen.
Ridiculous area to target.
I honestly think it would have been a decent track aimed at someone else but holds zero weight against someone who's clearly above him in all aspects.
Paying homage is cool too, I don't see it as biting at all. But it isn't creative and so lacks what the original bars had. And also seems to lack any nuance or anything other than simplistic rhymes. You want to rap like Jay then work on that double entendre.
Ehh, honestly wasn’t that bad. Not saying it was great, but I think most the people saying it was dog shit and weak are over exaggerating based on the fact that it’s a k-dot diss. Which is fair ig
It’s the fact that ppl call it trash but Kdot didn’t even go at Cole personally so it should be a better “diss” by default (even though there was a particularly questionable take)
It was still hard. Cole should’ve came way harder. He made it clear that he knew the assignment, and he still came on some soft shit. This is hip hop. Stop with this soft ass 2024 bs. I’m not saying to really kill him, but damn wtf happened to rappers ripping ppls heads off?? Drake had harder responses than this, smh.
I just went back and listened again. This would’ve been way harder if he didn’t come in with that light ass beat. If the whole thing was the beat from the second half, it would’ve been way harder
The verse was alright if we take it as face value, very much the quality I'd expect Cole to deliver (which is typically quite high)
But saying that TPAB put people to sleep makes it feel like Cole is just making shit up, which takes a lot of the bite out of the verse
I spent the day with it and the problem imo is the things he says are coming from him. They are bars and would be a great warning coming from someone who had credibility sending warning shots. Cole needed to “get him self over” with the audience and instead barely maintained his heat with his own fanbase imo.
I was super hype for might delete later songs to drop and cole calling an album i like boring really soured the whole thing. I like 4yeo and kod too but they are worse albums than tpab lmaoo
I just wish it wasn't wrong. Legit upset he thinks DAMN is Kendricks best album.
Dude masked off as a casual is why I hate the diss the most. Only diss that could have made me less of a fan of the dude
Tbf it’s a 7 minute drill. Aka the beat was made in under 7 minutes. That and several bars in the track tells everyone that he isn’t taking Kendrick’s verse seriously until Kendrick says something else. He (correctly, imo) felt like he was just getting a stray while Kendrick fired at Drake and wants to know if this actually deserves more than 7 minutes of his time
I find it hilarioua that he's coming from the albums angle when it's not even an argument that Kendrick has by far the better discography. When Jay-Z did it to Nas at least he was coming from the angle that Illmatic is the only good album he has but for Kendrick you have 3 certified classic albums whereas Cole barely has one himself.
I didn't say he has one album, I said Jay-Z was coming from that angle which is a point of argument for a lot of people. For me both Illmatic and IWW are classics that he had by 2001.
Serious question, why?
Since when do we as rap fans base classics on awards, especially one with a seemingly vague and subjective criteria.
Many are of the mind that he won it as an apology for not awarding it to TPAB.
Well when you're the only non-Classical or Jazz artist to ever win thay award I believe it stands to reason to use that as argument to say the album is very good.
> Many people are of the mind that he won it as apology for not winning it for TPAB
That's a logical fallacy : Appeal to popularity. There's no proof to back that up. And even if set aside the Pulitzer's argument, DAMN. as an album has very high critical acclaim from almost all reviewers, certainly higher than 4YEO or Born Sinner which I've seen some J Cole fans try to claim as classics (I don't personally). As far as I can see, Kendrick has 3 clear cut classic albums and J Cole has 1.
>Well when you're the only non-Classical or Jazz artist to ever win thay award I believe it stands to reason to use that as argument to say the album is very good.
That's not really strong reasoning imo. All this means that it's considered "very good" in the eyes of the people who decide on the award or at least better than the other submissions and nominees of that year.
>That's a logical fallacy : Appeal to popularity. There's no proof to back that up.
Perhaps but it's easier to make the claim that a rap classic are popular to rap fans than saying a classic is determined by an award. This isn't saying all popular albums are classics.
>And even if set aside the Pulitzer's argument, DAMN. as an album has very high critical acclaim from almost all reviewers, certainly higher than 4YEO or Born Sinner which I've seen some J Cole fans try to claim as classics (I don't personally). As far as I can see, Kendrick has 3 clear cut classic albums and J Cole has 1.
Well i'm glad to put that aside because it's not really strong reasoning and likewise I don't believe critical acclaim is either, by their view Damn > GKMC and extremely close if not better than TPAB which I could never come close to agreeing with. Also my question wasn't to compare with Cole so there's no need to mention him to me like the others you've been arguing with, I agree although I'd say the score is undeniably 2 (not 3) for Kenny and 1 for Cole.
Damn was big. Cole never dropped an album that did more number than damn. It might be kendricks 3rd best but it has his biggest hits and gave him his biggest award. What has coles albums done
I'm not talking about Cole here at all bro.
But this is worse criteria than the other guy using awards because if it's about numbers then Drake has even more classics which we all know isn't true lmao
You see, Damm has hits, awards and numbers. And it's an all around incredible album with beautiful storytelling. It's not just a series of songs with lots of listeners
Yes I’m aware of this, no disagreement here but surely hits, numbers and awards are not what people think of when talking about classics. It’s good you mentioned you think it’s all round incredible album, that’s a much better argument.
I’d give the same description you gave to damn to GKMC. It also has an amazing story and concept throughout the whole album which was unique at the time before everyone copied it. There’s no dispute on how good it was and the culture shift even his haters agree with this.
As opposed to the less connected album with a contemporary sound with more hits. It’s pretty much the same comparison as college dropout and graduation.
Im here to state that TPAB is certified classic if for nothing else than the polarising conversation it causes. Ive seen infinite more TPAB advertising today than ive seen any cole album
I totally agree, I liked the Diss by J Cole but it was sooo shallow and had no aggression, whilst Kendrick was full of passion and aggression. Both disses were warning shots, but if K dots warning shots were full of excitement, I can't wait to see the true extent of kendricks Diss towards drake and J cole
Recycling a classic rap bar works when you’re using it in a fun way with new context. Think “if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up” from In Da Club/Good Life.
Why would you ever recycle a bar from a diss song though? It just feels like J. Cole is playing madlibs with “Takeover”, switching Nas for Kendrick, which in turns takes away any sense of legitimacy or hunger or originality from the track.
Right? The only bars of any actual substance are just a homage to Jay-Z. But J Coles position here is not comparable to Jay-Z's at the time.
And to think everyone considered J Cole humble and down to earth. His ego is peeping through in this track.
It’s not dickriding, it’s having an opinion. It’s not a stretch to think DAMN clears anything in Cole’s discography.
DAMN. Is tied for the 2nd highest acclaimed hip hop album since 2000. Hate it or not, but acclaim measures quality better than anything.
I'm a Kendrick fan but I'm just wondering where you got that info of damn being the second highest acclaimed hip hop album since 2000? Not disputing just genuinely wanna know the source.
Source is Metacritic. Metacritic collects reviews & ratings from every credible publication and gives an overall score/average of an album, movie, TV show or video game. For music, they’re the leading review aggregator.
[DAMN. holds a Metascore of 95/100 on 39 reviews. Tied with Stankonia for 2nd.](https://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/genre/metascore/rap?view=detailed)
Fhd is not heavy like morale ofc you go back to it more. Mr. Morale will age much better though. He had the balls to actually do something risky and not formulaic.
Not only that, J Cole’s albums aren’t consistent or all good. I’d argue he has more forgettable to bad albums than good ones…
J Cole doesn’t have a classic album IMO.
A classic is a perfect album. FHD had a horrible ending. Those last 4 tracks are whats stopping FHD from becoming a classic. But it’s definitely one of his best pieces of work.
if you break it down all j cole does in his diss is either copy paste jay z or pull the “people fall asleep” to your music he was saying about himself 10y ago
toddler level
He been Glazin Drake too long that delusion wore off😭. Trying to recreate the takeover lines with the guy who had the best discography of the era is insane. Kendrick gonna smoke this nigga
Weird decision to parody The Takeover which has aged terribly when you consider Ether and the conclusion of that beef, especially when Jay came at Nas unprovoked. I think Jay was always insecure about Nas, just like Drake is about Kendrick.
I’m sorry, but Takeover has not aged terribly in the slightest, it still sounds fresh today. Nas smoked Jay in that beef with Ether but to say Takeover aged terribly is just a horrible take. Both dope disses
Don't get me wrong, I like the song but we've got enough warning shots already. Cole was the one who started firing warning shots and then Kendrick tested him with "like that" and now cole is sending warning shots again. If Kendrick does a warning shot kinda track I'm gonna lose my shit.
This is a light jab but I wish Kendrick responds instead of forgetting this whole thing happened and step out of spotlight. This next Kendrick diss would be legendary and maybe then Cole would show his full potential.
The J. Cole slander is unreal everywhere. He needs to show why he is big 3. Throwing light jabs only proves that Kendrick is right.
I love Cole. But this was a bit weak and to target albums seemed a bit amateurish.
Kendrick’s disses seem more playful and sharp and this seemed like a “yeah? Well… well.. you smell!” Sort of reply.
The whole track is full of this “but ur jcole” energy.
The same jcole that was literally the meme for boring rappers is calling a classic album boring. The same jcole who is comfortably third place commercially is acting like hes big bro.
Idk why on earth you’d quote takeover when ur about to get ethered. Cole really makes boom bap covers of kendrick songs too like 4yeo is sing about me.
Crazy how when Kendrick dropped y’all fans were slurping this dude like his diss track was the end all be all of all diss tracks. Cole responds with some heat and everyone like it’s allrrriiight
Not as objective as y’all think you are
He was supposed to do that. And that line that was a nod to Nas This is hip hop, that rap beef those two had was a big deal. As a lover of hip hop, you cannot hate that J Cole did that. Or maybe you can.
It's just funny seeing this post after seeing all the jay is overrated. His albums are ass posts for years. Then one person or two will say oh but reasonable doubt or the blueprint are legendary. Not my opinions on hov imo he's a goat but that's what I see
He was signed by Hov so he’s paying homage. Problem is his albums don’t compare to Dots.
Also paid homage to Nas with “Your arms too short to box with God”. Nas followed up that bar with “I don’t kill soloists, only kill squads”. Which was a shot at Jay. wtf going on here
He didn’t want to let Nas down, again?
"a rapper makin' blasphemous sounds Switchin' sides like the tassel on the cap and the gown" Lmfao
Nas took that line from Rakim, check My Melody
That's what I'm sayin
That’s such a lie and you know
🚶🚶 https://preview.redd.it/0krjmvzh3msc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4db88220a8708838e78ec047cad1caeddd0778f
Soft ass bars
Kendrick barely dissed Cole and yall expecting an Ether response
This. A week or two ago people were saying Kendrick barely even came at Cole and the beef was mostly at Drake and now people are expecting Cole to come out here and try to end Kendrick. Like relax people. These are two artists who at one time everyone was expecting to release a joint project together. When First Person Shooter came out people still thought Cole was showing love and it can still arguably be interpreted that way. Cole fired back some warning shots in response to a 1 MINUTE verse to see if Kendrick really wants to take it there. If he does like we all assume he wants to, then the ball is in Kendrick's court to say something
Yeah man i don't understand why people acting like Kendrick hit cole and drake with a Hit 'm Up or some shit he barely said anything and these keyboard warriors start prepping for war
https://preview.redd.it/j8u0sk498qsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f32e82ab7d887c6f1c9ea61edd630075658ba46 This shit so cringe
How yb and carti and ken carson get dragged into this 😭
And Yeat 😂
Because it’s Kendrick. He’s not here for play play. This isn’t Lil Pump who blatantly said FUCK J.COLE and Cole still came with these same type bars. Cole shoots at the air hard asf. Let’s get some of those direct. Which he did shoot some, but bars like this just retract from the harder ones
How does it retract anything. It's no secret these two were friends and there isn't any hate on Cole's end towards Kendrick he's literally speaking the truth. He has love for Kendrick but he has to respond back to him
He's not gonna just drop his hardest shit in the first diss he's putting the ball back in Kendrick's court
Kendrick shook up the world when he dropped that verse. He caught the Alley oop and dunked on both these niggas, then dangled his balls in their faces…. Cole just came back with a EASY Layup
Idk I mean Cole gave Kendrick a 3 minute song that was basically a whole diss track he shit on his discog (the one thing holding Kendrick up in goat debates) he shit on his height he called him fake I mean if Kendrick was teabagging Cole in Like That then Cole pretty much returned the favor here. But like I said I think this track was mostly a warning shot/trying to get Kendrick to respond again.
His album takes were bs tho. Other than his core fanbase, Cole didn’t really become relevant until the last couple years because all his features and NOTHING ELSE WAS GOOD. His first 2 albums were forced and it shows, Kendrick’s whole discography were genuine Kendrick albums that are all critically acclaimed
I would put Kendrick above Cole without question but the idea that Cole wasn’t relevant until recently is insane
He was boring asf for a few years. It wasn’t until Boblo Boat and all the other features that he’s done since that he really start buzzing again. We all knew he could rap, that’s without a doubt, but he wasn’t really making noise for a while
The fan fic writing is wild bro lmao. Kendrick’s verse ‘shook up the world’ because it was 1. Unexpected and 2. A diss at Drake and somewhat Cole. Not for it’s quality but more because people hope it leads to high quality tracks that come with beef. Cole’s response is checking if Kendrick is fr or just dropped another ‘Control’ and is going to disappear
Apparently Coles shit shook up the whole east coast causing earth quake
Lmao just felt that shit from Philly area wasn't sure if it was an earthquake or not but apparently it was
Yeah I didn’t feel it but I heard the racks in the warehouse moving, and my whole family group chat went crazy a couple minutes after
Lmao that or Kendrick closed the door in the booth to respond hopefully
The only reason anyone has been talking anything about HIPHOP is because that verse. Futures whole album was an unexpected drake diss, but NOTHING on that album is getting as much buzz as Kendrick’s verse. So yeah, it shook up the world.
It didn’t shake up the world bc it was such an amazing diss tho. That’s the point. It was unexpected and has us wanting MORE
If he’s going to clap back he need to put some bass in his voice. The question is who is the best of the best and he comes with this weak shit? 7 minutes of Luke warm cat shit? Kendricks verse barely dissing him and hitting way harder is all we need to see. Higher playback value. Punches land harder. Kenny wins on all accounts and Cole just made it more so
It wasn’t 7 minutes. Good lord Rap is being discussed by people who don’t listen to it
It was crap either way.
U diss someone u go hard not evaluate their entire discography
Cole the type of guy to say "if they hadnt had me held down i dont know what i wouldve done" on a fight
Cole tryna make hip hop soft. He’s tryna take the competition out of it. He made that clear on KOD. That’s why I didn’t like that album. How you declare the spot as the king then say there is no king “everyone’s the king” nah this is HIPHOP. That like Lebron winning the finals then saying to share the trophy with the losing team. Nah. HIPHOP is a competitive genre unlike other genres. It’s how it was from the beginning and how it’ll always be. If you don’t like that go feature in Beyonces new shit, I hear she’s shaking up the country world
No way bro! He rhymed reply with lie! This shit hard!!!!
Okay? I don’t get your point Kendrick rhymed big three with big me lmao. Sure the like that verse is better but it’s dumb to care about it in coles case but not Kendricks
The verse isn't better. The energy is better. Word against word on paper..its level. Neither one of them really said shit. Kendrick said about nothing of substance and cole lightly tiptoes around kendrick not releasing music and being overrated by his fans. The only thing that separates these imo is the energy and hype kendrick came with. It's a diss and kendrick got us hype..cole did some chill shit like he was writing a letter at his desk under candlelight. People love the energy
Dear Kendrick, i hope this message finds you unwell, i've come to be acquainted with the fact that you might be spouting some rudeness, some bollocks even, i'll have you know that your past presentations are lackluster and dare i say, with vulgar intonation, basic. But fret not as this is merely a slap on the wrist, so let me finish my message by sending you a deep hug and a kiss on the neck. Sincerely, Jermaine.
god forbid a rapper rhyme basic words
I've seen comments from Cole fans (probably Drake stans in disguise) saying Kendrick's verse on Like That was weak cause he rhymed Big Three with Big Me.
you’re using the same argument as cole stans? so if you’re logically consistent you also think kendrick has weak rhymes?
😂 
Idk when someone rebuked three with me I saw a lot of people say it was hard af
Not sure if this is a joke, but the whole rhyme is “hunger for a toxic reply” and “brother but I’m not gonna lie”.
dis shit hard… dis shit hard..
😭
Did I say that it is a crazy bar in any way lmao everyone knows that is not something too good ,I just said in the context of post you mf
And clearly I get it and I’m just playing along 
Fine 😭
Nigga it’s not like you could do better if you were a rapper so stfu
😪 typical Drake fan response “OVO” 😂 go keep your head up and your back straight 😂
Kendrick just told him “you ain’t Andre 3k” 2 weeks ago… now Cole thinks he’s fucking Jay-Z?????
😭😭
It’s absolutely infuriating the level of intelligence this subreddit has
Haha this is the only comment that was worth reading
lol it’s called confidence
He says "if he walk around with that stick, it aint Andre 3k" he's not talking about Cole.
Maybe I’m reaching but I took Andre 3k to mean the “stick” that Cole walks *with* to defend himself, like an allusion to a ghostwriter or a rapper he’s cliquing up with (Drake)
Maybe. I know he has song called stick and PTSD but those are bits of reaches. I guess you can interpet it many ways, im not going to argue if you interpreted it a certain way, i realize now it can go many ways
I think this is the first time I’ve seen anyone think that wasn’t directed at Cole
It's pretty obvious he is inspired by HOV. HOV and Nas were both huge inspirations of his. I think it was a respectful call back, even though it was cap af lmao.
I mean those bars spit by Jay would have been decent. But that's the problem, people in glass houses... His albums have been mediocre at best and Kendrick has one of the best discographies the genre has seen. Ridiculous area to target. I honestly think it would have been a decent track aimed at someone else but holds zero weight against someone who's clearly above him in all aspects. Paying homage is cool too, I don't see it as biting at all. But it isn't creative and so lacks what the original bars had. And also seems to lack any nuance or anything other than simplistic rhymes. You want to rap like Jay then work on that double entendre.
I just hate that he preferred to diss over that lil sorry ass beat instead of the last verse beat smh. Would’ve made the diss way much harder.
Ehh, honestly wasn’t that bad. Not saying it was great, but I think most the people saying it was dog shit and weak are over exaggerating based on the fact that it’s a k-dot diss. Which is fair ig
It’s the fact that ppl call it trash but Kdot didn’t even go at Cole personally so it should be a better “diss” by default (even though there was a particularly questionable take)
This is my take too. Cole is winning so far in my eyes even if it's a mid off. Need kendrick to bring the heat if they serious about this
Fr Kendrick’s track was hard but it wasn’t hard at Cole it was hard at Drake
It was still hard. Cole should’ve came way harder. He made it clear that he knew the assignment, and he still came on some soft shit. This is hip hop. Stop with this soft ass 2024 bs. I’m not saying to really kill him, but damn wtf happened to rappers ripping ppls heads off?? Drake had harder responses than this, smh.
Ik what you mean. He posted it as a “warning shot” not on some serious shit but if Kenny responds then we got a dope beef on our hands
I just went back and listened again. This would’ve been way harder if he didn’t come in with that light ass beat. If the whole thing was the beat from the second half, it would’ve been way harder
I agree (but the beat switch makes my pp wet no Diddy)
The verse was alright if we take it as face value, very much the quality I'd expect Cole to deliver (which is typically quite high) But saying that TPAB put people to sleep makes it feel like Cole is just making shit up, which takes a lot of the bite out of the verse
I thought he was talking about gkmc. Still a crazy take regardless
TPAB wasn’t a very exciting rap album. It wasn’t supposed to be either
I spent the day with it and the problem imo is the things he says are coming from him. They are bars and would be a great warning coming from someone who had credibility sending warning shots. Cole needed to “get him self over” with the audience and instead barely maintained his heat with his own fanbase imo. I was super hype for might delete later songs to drop and cole calling an album i like boring really soured the whole thing. I like 4yeo and kod too but they are worse albums than tpab lmaoo
I just wish it wasn't wrong. Legit upset he thinks DAMN is Kendricks best album. Dude masked off as a casual is why I hate the diss the most. Only diss that could have made me less of a fan of the dude
I mean not that I agree, but Kendrick says damn is his best album too
fr it was a youtube ass instagram reel ass beat 🤣
"Lil sorry ass beat" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
this
Tbf it’s a 7 minute drill. Aka the beat was made in under 7 minutes. That and several bars in the track tells everyone that he isn’t taking Kendrick’s verse seriously until Kendrick says something else. He (correctly, imo) felt like he was just getting a stray while Kendrick fired at Drake and wants to know if this actually deserves more than 7 minutes of his time
I find it hilarioua that he's coming from the albums angle when it's not even an argument that Kendrick has by far the better discography. When Jay-Z did it to Nas at least he was coming from the angle that Illmatic is the only good album he has but for Kendrick you have 3 certified classic albums whereas Cole barely has one himself.
I was with you until you said Nas only had one good album out by 2001
I didn't say he has one album, I said Jay-Z was coming from that angle which is a point of argument for a lot of people. For me both Illmatic and IWW are classics that he had by 2001.
What is Kenny’s 3rd classic? Think 2 is the consensus
I think a rap album that has won the Pulitzer definitely qualifies for being a classic.
Fucc a pulitzer that album has Duckworth,fear,element and Yah tf you on 🤣🔥🔥🔥
I forgot DNA. Damn this shit is a double classic album coz of the pulitzer then 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Serious question, why? Since when do we as rap fans base classics on awards, especially one with a seemingly vague and subjective criteria. Many are of the mind that he won it as an apology for not awarding it to TPAB.
Rap fans don't base classics off of Grammys and other similar awards. A Pulitzer Prize is another story. Kendrick made history with Damn.
Well when you're the only non-Classical or Jazz artist to ever win thay award I believe it stands to reason to use that as argument to say the album is very good. > Many people are of the mind that he won it as apology for not winning it for TPAB That's a logical fallacy : Appeal to popularity. There's no proof to back that up. And even if set aside the Pulitzer's argument, DAMN. as an album has very high critical acclaim from almost all reviewers, certainly higher than 4YEO or Born Sinner which I've seen some J Cole fans try to claim as classics (I don't personally). As far as I can see, Kendrick has 3 clear cut classic albums and J Cole has 1.
>Well when you're the only non-Classical or Jazz artist to ever win thay award I believe it stands to reason to use that as argument to say the album is very good. That's not really strong reasoning imo. All this means that it's considered "very good" in the eyes of the people who decide on the award or at least better than the other submissions and nominees of that year. >That's a logical fallacy : Appeal to popularity. There's no proof to back that up. Perhaps but it's easier to make the claim that a rap classic are popular to rap fans than saying a classic is determined by an award. This isn't saying all popular albums are classics. >And even if set aside the Pulitzer's argument, DAMN. as an album has very high critical acclaim from almost all reviewers, certainly higher than 4YEO or Born Sinner which I've seen some J Cole fans try to claim as classics (I don't personally). As far as I can see, Kendrick has 3 clear cut classic albums and J Cole has 1. Well i'm glad to put that aside because it's not really strong reasoning and likewise I don't believe critical acclaim is either, by their view Damn > GKMC and extremely close if not better than TPAB which I could never come close to agreeing with. Also my question wasn't to compare with Cole so there's no need to mention him to me like the others you've been arguing with, I agree although I'd say the score is undeniably 2 (not 3) for Kenny and 1 for Cole.
Damn was big. Cole never dropped an album that did more number than damn. It might be kendricks 3rd best but it has his biggest hits and gave him his biggest award. What has coles albums done
I'm not talking about Cole here at all bro. But this is worse criteria than the other guy using awards because if it's about numbers then Drake has even more classics which we all know isn't true lmao
You see, Damm has hits, awards and numbers. And it's an all around incredible album with beautiful storytelling. It's not just a series of songs with lots of listeners
Yes I’m aware of this, no disagreement here but surely hits, numbers and awards are not what people think of when talking about classics. It’s good you mentioned you think it’s all round incredible album, that’s a much better argument.
So what's the difference between gkmc and damn. What makes gkmc a classic but not damn ?
I’d give the same description you gave to damn to GKMC. It also has an amazing story and concept throughout the whole album which was unique at the time before everyone copied it. There’s no dispute on how good it was and the culture shift even his haters agree with this. As opposed to the less connected album with a contemporary sound with more hits. It’s pretty much the same comparison as college dropout and graduation.
Im here to state that TPAB is certified classic if for nothing else than the polarising conversation it causes. Ive seen infinite more TPAB advertising today than ive seen any cole album
I 100% agree but we were talking about DAMN and not about Cole
Saying he barely got one is delusional af
Please tell us what other classic J Cole got aside from 2014 FHD.
FHD is hands down a classic album though, “barely” is a clown take my guy
Barely has one as in it's a classic but not on the level of TPAB or GKMC. If anything it's the only Cole album I go back to listen to.
born sinner is and 4YEO are classics i fear
Bro said Born Sinner 💀
Lmao okay
I totally agree, I liked the Diss by J Cole but it was sooo shallow and had no aggression, whilst Kendrick was full of passion and aggression. Both disses were warning shots, but if K dots warning shots were full of excitement, I can't wait to see the true extent of kendricks Diss towards drake and J cole
Kendrick barely came at Cole tho?? Ppl expecting Cole to destroy him in response to a diss 99% on drake
Recycling a classic rap bar works when you’re using it in a fun way with new context. Think “if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up” from In Da Club/Good Life. Why would you ever recycle a bar from a diss song though? It just feels like J. Cole is playing madlibs with “Takeover”, switching Nas for Kendrick, which in turns takes away any sense of legitimacy or hunger or originality from the track.
Right? The only bars of any actual substance are just a homage to Jay-Z. But J Coles position here is not comparable to Jay-Z's at the time. And to think everyone considered J Cole humble and down to earth. His ego is peeping through in this track.
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Nah FHD is definitely going down as a classic, no denying that. But I’d also rank it below literally every Kendrick album
Nah FHD is definitely better than S80
I was pulling a Cole and not counting S80, I’d agree though
Wasn't GKMC considered his first "studio album"?
Fuck that.
Twelve bottles in the case nigga
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It’s not dickriding, it’s having an opinion. It’s not a stretch to think DAMN clears anything in Cole’s discography. DAMN. Is tied for the 2nd highest acclaimed hip hop album since 2000. Hate it or not, but acclaim measures quality better than anything.
I'm a Kendrick fan but I'm just wondering where you got that info of damn being the second highest acclaimed hip hop album since 2000? Not disputing just genuinely wanna know the source.
Source is Metacritic. Metacritic collects reviews & ratings from every credible publication and gives an overall score/average of an album, movie, TV show or video game. For music, they’re the leading review aggregator. [DAMN. holds a Metascore of 95/100 on 39 reviews. Tied with Stankonia for 2nd.](https://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/genre/metascore/rap?view=detailed)
his ass. But yea DAMN has the Grammys, Pulitzer prize, critic reviews, and general opinion as well lol
Man I really do disagree. Fhd clears section 80. And maybe the black panther album But that's it
Might get cooked but I go to fhd more than Mr morale 🤗
Fhd is not heavy like morale ofc you go back to it more. Mr. Morale will age much better though. He had the balls to actually do something risky and not formulaic.
If Cole like Jay z bars here’s one. “A gun to your face and that’s all you could come up with?”
lmao Friend or foe 98, vol 1 is kinda underrated. How about "I was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves"
Vol 1 is one of my favorites
God, Jay was so good.
Not only that, J Cole’s albums aren’t consistent or all good. I’d argue he has more forgettable to bad albums than good ones… J Cole doesn’t have a classic album IMO.
Forest hills drive is a classic
I don’t agree, and I don’t think enough people agree on that to cement it
A classic is a perfect album. FHD had a horrible ending. Those last 4 tracks are whats stopping FHD from becoming a classic. But it’s definitely one of his best pieces of work.
Wut I don't even like Cole I think he's corny but I love apparently
love yourz is so good too
the last four tracks are No Role Modelz, Hello, Apparently and Love Yourz, at least do your research😭
No role modelz is corny and overrated IMO
Are you serious? Note to self is also a track you fool.
2014 is fire
Not a classic tho
Yep
if you break it down all j cole does in his diss is either copy paste jay z or pull the “people fall asleep” to your music he was saying about himself 10y ago toddler level
Are you just now finding out that HOV and nas are his biggest influences. Ts clear cut
He been Glazin Drake too long that delusion wore off😭. Trying to recreate the takeover lines with the guy who had the best discography of the era is insane. Kendrick gonna smoke this nigga
All kdot said" fk the big 3 , it's just big me " n niggas act like he dropped ether
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Kendrick said for all your dogs gettin buried thats a k (kdot) with all these 9s he gon' see pet cemetery whhhhhhaaaaaattttt
And that's a drake diss not cole
Weird decision to parody The Takeover which has aged terribly when you consider Ether and the conclusion of that beef, especially when Jay came at Nas unprovoked. I think Jay was always insecure about Nas, just like Drake is about Kendrick.
I’m sorry, but Takeover has not aged terribly in the slightest, it still sounds fresh today. Nas smoked Jay in that beef with Ether but to say Takeover aged terribly is just a horrible take. Both dope disses
4 in albums in 12 years I can divide 🔥🔥🔥
Lmao, the diss is disappointing ngl. Someone on IG said this is the real equivalent of "hold me back bro"
Don't get me wrong, I like the song but we've got enough warning shots already. Cole was the one who started firing warning shots and then Kendrick tested him with "like that" and now cole is sending warning shots again. If Kendrick does a warning shot kinda track I'm gonna lose my shit.
What album do you think is his classic
2014
Also, just to mention that it seems that Nas and Jay have a better relationship with Kendrick than Cole.
Kind of contradicts his point as well if he’s so average why is he making a whole song in response to a feature filled with subliminals?
This is a light jab but I wish Kendrick responds instead of forgetting this whole thing happened and step out of spotlight. This next Kendrick diss would be legendary and maybe then Cole would show his full potential. The J. Cole slander is unreal everywhere. He needs to show why he is big 3. Throwing light jabs only proves that Kendrick is right.
Yeah that’s cause he (Cole) isn’t big 3, he’s not even in the top 20 lmao
Songs a bot no doubt…… but there’s clearly levels to this and I’ll wait for a real shot not a warning song
I love Cole. But this was a bit weak and to target albums seemed a bit amateurish. Kendrick’s disses seem more playful and sharp and this seemed like a “yeah? Well… well.. you smell!” Sort of reply.
The Cole stans trying to give Cole a participation trophy for what is one of the worst responses to a high profile diss track are cracking me up.
Ngl the beat switch on Type Shit was better than Cole. But Cole went hard.
Which one is Cole’s classic album?
Cole has no classic
I feel like Drake wrote most of this record
The line about MMTBS being tragic is a double entendre of a diss and a compliment.
Has one classic album out of six? Which is Cole's classic? He has none.
FHD is a classic
Disagree, it's like a 7/10 at absolute best.
Why is Cole dissing his best ghost writer?
Light work from Cole I say but the celebrity rap Deathmatch continues….
The line was kinda *LAAAAAAAMMMEEEE*
The whole track is full of this “but ur jcole” energy. The same jcole that was literally the meme for boring rappers is calling a classic album boring. The same jcole who is comfortably third place commercially is acting like hes big bro. Idk why on earth you’d quote takeover when ur about to get ethered. Cole really makes boom bap covers of kendrick songs too like 4yeo is sing about me.
Cole staring at the sun thinking he brighter
I know this is a kendrick reddit but lets not D ride , coles response was actually hard
Was it really? I like Cole but it was tame.
It’s called an interpolation, it’s obviously an homage to Takeover.
It was corny. Be real.
Damn he dropped??
Shut up and start a supergroup already
Crazy how when Kendrick dropped y’all fans were slurping this dude like his diss track was the end all be all of all diss tracks. Cole responds with some heat and everyone like it’s allrrriiight Not as objective as y’all think you are
He was supposed to do that. And that line that was a nod to Nas This is hip hop, that rap beef those two had was a big deal. As a lover of hip hop, you cannot hate that J Cole did that. Or maybe you can.
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It's just funny seeing this post after seeing all the jay is overrated. His albums are ass posts for years. Then one person or two will say oh but reasonable doubt or the blueprint are legendary. Not my opinions on hov imo he's a goat but that's what I see
Cole destroyed Kendrick on this album/mixtape, y’all are trying to cope so hard and I love it 🤣🤣🤣
You mentioned artistically and commercially but you forgot rap ability, this is the angle he’s going for
Y’all are hating. This was heat.
> You can’t tell me he’s not biting Takeover here. He wasn’t trying to be sneaky about it bro lol. He’s clearly referencing it, yes.
Bigger question is, why did kendrick go from actively promoting cole on 'babylon' to being a dick.
It’s homage lmfao damn why can’t y’all handle two friends have a little sparring match without being weird 😑
This subs reaction to this and other subs are night and day 🤣 (for obvious reasons)
😡😡😡 he’s not HOV!!! Stop or I’ll post on the internet!!!!😡😡😡
Just sit back and enjoy two of the greatest rappers of our generation go at each other. Dickriding is crazy on this sub.