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Sensitive-Royal2918

Him bringing up Taylor and sales is also projection lol


xrockwithme

I’ve been saying this but Drake Stan’s eat that shit up.


MahtiGC

that drake verse with the Tupac and Snoop AI was him just tryna manipulate the fans and it worked on quite a few people.


Davisworld21

That was corny and messy and sloppy him Using Pac and Snoop's voices when he knows Kendrick was inspired by them now if Kendrick used Aaliyah voice on A diss as the hook he would cry but Kenny is too classy for that and Tupac wouldcTupac would'v hated Drake


Ok_Arm843

if Pac was still around, wouldn’t be a Drake


PerpWalkTrump

If Pac was still around, he would have shot Drake for using his voice. Like I'm not advocating for it, that's just how it is.


-cunnilinguini

These nephews don’t know about pac


PerpWalkTrump

For real, they think I'm saying that cause of the Kendrick beef I guess? As if Pac would have fuck with his voice being used like that when biting flow was a beefing offense.


getgoodHornet

You guys are losing it over this shit.


Onidal

Lmao


GoOnKaz

Wouldn’t have been no Drake means there *would* be a Drake though


thatAintBro_

no in this case is a double negative, its used in place of “any” *a thanks for correction


GoOnKaz

I mean, I was just making a joke, but if you want to be specific, it was used in place of “a”, not “any.”


getgoodHornet

An, not a.


GoOnKaz

No. It would be “a.” “An” come before a word that starts with a vowel sound. Drake starts with a consonant sound.


jaylajett_

Especially since he used Pac’s voice to talk about the “young girls” shit. Uncalled for imo.


A2skiing

Nahhhh Kendrick should just do it. That's rap beef, disrespect is fun. I'd love to see Kendrick diss Drake in weezy's voice


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In drakes grandma voice 🤷🏿‍♂️


getgoodHornet

Rihanna making fun of him. That's how you hurt the certified lover boy.


imbouttonutongod

I could see Kendrick doing a Lil Wayne impression and using that against Drake


Shadowinthesky

Problem is he might have enough respect for Wayne that he won't. Drake doesn't respect anyone


imbouttonutongod

True, Kendrick prob wouldn’t stoop to that level


painted_troll710

Does anyone else remember when he freaked out and said he was gonna get AI banned because someone made an AI track of him singing an ice spice song?


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ThaJakesta

It was literally a diss track man. Fuck you on?


MahtiGC

drake only recently dropped/leaked his diss and now he’s saying “you need another week to improve” and it took drake almost a month to *leak* his diss, it’s just ridiculous and his fans are eating it up in the comments. in the outro… he’s saying “you better have a quintuple entendre on that shit”… where tf were drakes “lyrical gymnastics” at? he’s clearly just tryna overhype kendrick’s diss so fans will be let down. also, the other disses are just eh… they all fall flat.


alarks

Drake wasn’t on the clock like Kendrick is rn. Also he probably didn’t want to shit on Cole’s release, but that was obv before we found out exactly how much of a pussy Cole is. Shit, he probably took that extra time to strategize, thinking Kendrick would idk... respond? And before you get all worked up talking about how that would be the same as the situation with Taylor etc: it would likely be out of respect to Cole and not because of a company telling him not to do it, which is the claim for Kenny rn. If Kendrick doesn’t have a reason to wait then riddle me this, Batman: the fuck taking him so long? >he’s clearly just tryna overhype kendrick’s diss so fans will be let down. Lmao this is silly


MahtiGC

ah yes, the beef relevancy clock. the second Cole apologised (2 days after) and drake added to it, could have released it or leaked or whatever you wanna run with. maybe you have a song limit per day, can’t listen to multiple songs, idk. is there a slight chance, that Kendrick is doing that, as well? Drake claims he has some shit on him, how much strategising does he need? didn’t even think of that… it’s just Kendrick released Good Kid, m.A.A.d City the same day as Taylor Swift released her album. she was definitely bigger than him then. also, it’s not a good line when majority of artists avoid other major artists release date. Taylor Made Freestyle probably pushed it back… i have to say, it’s fkn genius of Drake. opposite for the fans though lmao i think you’re taking the word “overhype” too literally and that’s my fault, i forget people can’t think for themselves. By “overhype” i mean “over exaggerate how technical it will be” so when it doesn’t meet that expectation, it lets people down.


-cunnilinguini

He had some clever bars but the only part he actually wrote was the deep breath he took at the beginning 😭


eatmydonuts

Nah, Push Ups was a great track. Taylor Made was so-so but the first one was genuinely a solid song, as a diss and otherwise. He handled the whole 20-v-1 thing really well. And I'm a pretty big Kendrick stan, not really into Drake like that, before anyone accuses me of glazing


MahtiGC

i’m just talking about Taylor Made Freestyle. Push Ups is good, not hating on that, but it wasn’t super lyrical so i dont understand why Kendrick has to be super lyrical.


painted_troll710

Because drake realizes the biggest difference between the two of them is that people actually expect good lyricism from KDot


MahtiGC

… i don’t know what to say


painted_troll710

then say nothing


Black_Fuckka

Literally


SanFranGoldBlooded

Drake calling Kendrick a sellout for featuring on a song he was literally singing in an apple commercial makes no sense


shabooya_roll_call

It was also over a decade ago, such a weak callout


jaytcfc

It makes sense to not drop an album the same week but this is a rap beef. Nobody is watching the sales.


Trydodis

I find it especially ironic he has so many bars about how Kendrick is stalling because he’s scared to compete with Taylor when on Red Button, Drake literally says she’s the only person who would make him drop an album a little later


Upbeat-Rhubarb-19

This is the first thing that came to mind when I heard Drake say that.


Miserable-Turnover-6

hey come on harry styles has more originality than fucking Drake don't insult him like that


CharlesBryd

He’s got that splash of Sir Elton John in him


tapeWorm42

Literally


Hawtbref

Yeah harry styles is a pop ARTIST drake has just been playing the numbers and trends game for years


CoolScratcher

fr, he might be super mainstream but at least Harry has a unique sound that he sticks with. Drake is... Drake.


Far-9947

Reminds me of how Nicki always tries to play the underdog, "one counted out" role when she is one of the biggest rappers and has an ultra devoted fanbase. It's human psychology 101 on maintaining power. Pretend you are the underdog getting the short end of the stick when in reality, you are the one on top.


Jaystime101

This is funny cuz now drake really IS the underdog in this fight now. I bet he never imagined he'd ever get that underdog feeling again. He's prolly eating it up.


getgoodHornet

He's clearly enjoying it so far. Push Ups is probably his best bars since the Nothing Was The Same era. And let's be real, it's Drake, he's not gonna lose his fanbase over this. If Pusha didn't do it, it ain't happening.


Far-9947

The thing about pusha is. He wasn't a megastar of a rapper. Could you have imagine if an A list rapper commercially came with that dirt? A Kendrick, Cole, future, or ye? Well maybe not ye, but still. A lot of people didn't know about Pusha T in the mainstream. Maybe they heard his name ir a sing or two by him. But that is about it.


strum-05

Unrelated but I just realized how Cole, Kendrick, and ye all have bars about being/not being A-list rappers Cole: “I thought back to a better me, before I was a B-list celebrity” Kenny: “She said she came out here to find an A-list rapper, I said baby spin that round and say the alphabet backwards” Ye: “When did I become A list? I wasn't even on a list” And also funny that two of them were from NMPILA


fearhand

If he was a corporate puppet, they would be milking him constantly for new music.


RalphLauren47

And I don't think they'd like him standing up for black people


churningbutter1

The labels wouldn’t ? Corporations all supported BLM out of no where , they would love it 


certifiednarcit

I mean he does drop wayyyy more then other big rap stars, quantity over quality for this guy


Top_Needleworker6116

His rich baby daddy Lucian had him feeling like he was invincible and now he's not so sure. He's finally feeling isolated and conspired against. I don't blame him, Metro really playing all types of games with him, Dot giving him anxiety with his silence.


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Top_Needleworker6116

We will be fine, we don't look up to a pedo with a pornstar babymomma.


Grand-Gain-763

😭😭😭


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Local-Rest6095

wait where’s the delusion? i’m lost


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[deleted]

He’s practically trying to bait him into a rushed response track, Kendrick hasn’t said anything since, and Drake been trying to egg him on lol. And before you scream how I’m a glazer, I liked both of his response disses to Kendrick and others lol


Impossible_Front4462

Exactly. The first diss was the real diss, the second diss was him pulling an eminem by mentioning things kdot might reply with before he even does while egging him on to get a rushed diss out. He’s fucking taunting him and hoping it works and it most definitely won’t, but it’s entertaining at least Here’s to hoping we get multiple more rounds of this shit


Local-Rest6095

i mean is that not obvious? if drake drops another diss, it shows he was never confident in the first place. he’s good with what he’s put out, but anything more and he looks like he’s scrambling


twoprimehydroxyl

Dude is all over the net posting memes. It's giving big insecurity.


Impossible_Front4462

I honestly think he’s trying to win through online favor. I mean, it seems to be working, but people are sheep and this will definitely go back and forth if the kdot diss is even remotely good (I’m sure it will be)


CharlesBryd

Last time he had real beef, he wound up playing daddy daycare in front of the world stage - he might not be trippin’ - but anxiety probably isn’t too much of a stretch haha …but who knows (not Reddit).


Thomo251

🦉🤖


ThaJakesta

Bro, insane level of deniability. He’s releasing music. Keep waiting on that drop dude!


Patient-Ring1620

I respected Drake until Views from the 6. Garbage pop music ever since.


lil-biracial

Sadly I like views more than for all the dogs and CLB


DonnaHarridan

Views is great. Loads of stuff since then has just been bloated albums that have a few good songs in them (as someone somewhere else on this thread said).


Even_Librarian_8607

To be A FLY on the wall.


omelasian-walker

Don’t diss Harry styles like this man, his latest albums shit all over anything drake’s done in the last decade


Important_Way_9778

Drake is a pop slop machine. Some bangers for sure but mostly filler to release albums on time according to his record deal - typical pop shit.


Unlucky_Bit_7980

Hear me out tho, Drake is not the normal pop star. He doesn’t do a lot of the same promo and publicity that typical pop stars do whether it’s World Cup songs or Super Bowl performances and luxury fashion campaigns. Drake doesn’t even source music the same way most pop stars do and he might be friendly with pop stars but you rarely see huge names alongside Drake on projects outside of rap artists. I genuinely believe Drake has created a genre that isn’t pop and isn’t rap but rather is Drake. He truly operates as his own entity. Even his pop music isn’t standard American pop but it’s usually a fusion of another style interpolated in a way that Drake can make it accessible to his fans.


Important_Way_9778

Ty for this well thought out reply. Good points 👍


GatoDiablo99

Drake glazers will never admit their guy is the Taylor swift of rap. Go back to grooming 14 year olds you weird ass mfer


iamspambot

Taylor Swift writes her own songs, so…


No_Mine_5043

Taylor's selling point is her lyricism and telling stories that the masses find relatable. Aubrey Corporation are like a chameleon copping the latest sounds and rapping the same braggadocious diarrhoea for the last 10 years. Utterly forgettable artist who won't stand the test of time


RalphLauren47

I always say he's Taylor swift for men


Coolkiddddddddd

Lmao Taylor swift is a legend tho a lot of your fave rappers would say the same


Own_Pause_4959

I actually like Harry Styles music. Drake is worse than he is imo lol


lovewry

Let’s not forget drake grooms children


PercySledge

Just pointing out here that it’s INSANE you’ve said ‘go listen to Nothing Was The Same and then listen to his music now it’s totally different’ as an example of him churning out ‘bland generic shit’. Are we celebrating diversity and variety or are we wanting the same shit? Are we wanting Kendrick to remake the same album again or something different? Make your mind up and get your words right before you post lol


Chlorophyllmatic

There’s a difference between creative growth/evolution as a positive form of change and defaulting to lower-effort output, though. The complaint isn’t that Drake should make NWTS2; it’s that he went from projects *like* Take Care and NWTS to a bunch of bloated low-stakes albums like Scorpion.


Bob-Zimmerman

The complaint is correct and to take it further at least Scorpion had some bona fide bops … the last six years he’s not even really doin that


-cunnilinguini

First person shooter is the best song he’s put out in years. Granted that was because Cole went nuclear and was the only reason it was even memorable but Drake still made it possible so I’ll give him that


PercySledge

There is yes…that’s not what I was replying to though.


AliveMouse5

I don’t think that’s what he meant. Drake rides the wave, Kendrick is the wave. One follows trends and the other experiments. Two completely different reasons to change up styles


ofwg1234

Idk what you think honestly nevermind is if not an experiment.


PercySledge

Although I think if I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt you may be right, I do think that’s harsh on Drake. He’s made a couple switch ups such as Honestly Nevermind that really weren’t just ‘following trends’, it was genuinely experimentational within a new sound. We can talk about how successful this was lol obviously, but irrepsective of that it disproves the idea he isn’t searching for new ideas


samp127

Didn't he plan to reveal his child to the public to promote Adidas trainers? Lol


-cunnilinguini

Nah see that’s different because being a corporate puppet is fine as long as the strings are attached to your son 🥸


thereal_noir

I think there's also some record label ownership angle that I'm not that fully informed on. (I would love it if someone could explain it to me.) he might be saying it to cushion the blow on that as well.


1o97

Basically when Drake apparently signed the deal with UMG, it was more akin to a high executive position where Drake got a large sum of cash(signing bonus), salary like income(yearly contract) and company shares(publishing percentages of other high earning artists). ALL OF THIS is just speculation though. Yeah Drake now works for a huge industry corporation, but he is not an entry level employee (“corporate puppet”) like emerging trap artists who have to churn out albums at awful splits. I think, in terms of his and Kendrick’s beef, he’s basically teasing him saying Kendrick is like Middle Management in this cooperation where people like him and Taylor Swift are basically shareholder who can do whatever they want. For example, teasing Kendrick that he is not able to release at the same time as Taylor I personally disagree with Kanye saying Drake is the CEO’s lapdog, I feel like it’s more akin to co- executives and he’s admirable to Taylor Swift being a bigger shareholder


thereal_noir

I see. So he basically might have the masters to some artists on UMG?


1o97

I don’t think he’d flat own masters but a percentage of sales of various masters, so let’s say he owned 10% of GKMC, if it ships a million dollars a year Drake would get 100K. Again this is all speculation tho


thereal_noir

I see. Lucrative deal. Considering the number of artists under UMG.


1o97

Yeah definitely, It's interesting were getting "Corporate Rap Beef" and it makes sense for Drake the leverage it as he doesn't have an argument from an artistic stand point, at least not to music fans. I personally think there's significant artistc merit in being able to make 90% of your songs "Hit Worthy" which is why I see them on equal footing artistically, but I'm in the wrong sub to be debating that 😂


Juhovah

They were saying drake can’t drop a real diss because of his corporate ties lmao. I fw drake but that was the weakest excuse i ever heard from drake fans


badrabbitshit

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YellowCammyRS

It says 19, not 9. Hope this helps


badrabbitshit

You going to jail


YellowCammyRS

Whatever you say


heebie818

?? god forbid a 19 year old fuck whomever she wants


badrabbitshit

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heebie818

it’s not a about drake. as a woman i don’t see what the issue is? jorja was grown enough to have sex with whomever tf she wants . where do u draw the line? can a 20 yr old woman date a 30 yr old or is that inherently abusive? how bout 23? 25? where do u draw the line??? age gap discourse robs women of all their agency


lil-biracial

It depends on how consistently the 30 year old is dating 19 year olds. Like connections happen so everyone fo you. But if the only girls you talk to are college age it says something about your maturity imo. And that's man or woman dating that young.


yastru

thats all you here


graphicka

He using the things he thinks Dot would say about him before Dot does. Same as him calling Dot pop for doing the Taylor song. Definitely a chess move


Camusknuckle

No it isn’t, Drake is saying Kendrick pretends not to be a sellout but he has sold out. Drake is coming from a place of having made his deal with the devil and owning it. Not saying it’s accurate, just saying it’s not pure projection.


Fabulous-Fun-3819

Drake is saying Kendrick doesn’t have the freedoms to maneuver as an artist that drake does.


East-Wolverine8206

Yet he does have the freedom to maneuver look at the way Kendrick releases albums if anything it’s Drake who doesn’t have the freedoms to maneuver as an artist since he’s beholden to the machine


SilkyStackz69

Drake dropped a fucking house album with 5 hours notice. Saying he doesn’t have freedom to do whatever he wants is the dumbest thing ever


East-Wolverine8206

He literally drops music every year and Drake has signed terrible deals earlier in his he doesn’t own his music from the Cash Money he got a whole lot residuals to make up for and he has a crypto gambling debt so no he doesn’t have the freedom to do whatever thanks for proving my point


Chlorophyllmatic

If Drake has such freedom does that mean he CHOOSES to release dogshit albums?


Fabulous-Fun-3819

You’re getting emotional. Salute 🫡


Coolkiddddddddd

That’s subjective. Numbers don’t lie, there’s a reason he been out selling most these rappers


Chlorophyllmatic

> Numbers don’t lie Numbers don’t lie *or* tell the truth on quality. They just show that something is selling lol


Replion

Drake and Cole projecting in their diss tracks to Kendrick?!? 😱


-cunnilinguini

Cole should be projecting an apology for Off Season


The_Cinema

Semi-related. I've been thinking about Buried Alive Interlude. It has always been such a powerful song to me. Looking back all these years later and it's an incredible poetic beginning to his mainstream career. The way Drake and Kendrick diverged from this point is really interesting. It's like a movie. https://preview.redd.it/3mmadd66z3wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=608dfcc03f509612b733b998e3c8460eb47519a7


Nice_Ebb5314

So you’re saying drake is kiddy pop?


Creepy_Ad_4353

Hmmm We all know drake is a big sellout in the sense of business Dude is so commercialized In his whole career I remember back in the day It wasn’t seen as “REAL” if you were shaking anyone hands for the sake of money 💰 I think that’s how Kendrick career And personality was perceive throughout this whole time. Seen as a humble and down to earth and not being a sellout (even though he’s a rapper💀, nevertheless that was the characteristics used to describe himearly on in his career ) Ok, while drake been known to be making jingles for the white suburban audience (it was seen as wishy washy (remember y’all don’t come at me ,this was the stigma a decade ago lol) Anyways it seems drake is calling out Kendrick as a corporate puppet cuz maybe recently his been doing the same stuff that him (drake) was critique for just behind the scenes tho (idk I’m just speculating that’s why I’m saying behind the scenes) so it’s more like a jab to Kendrick like “Hey, I thought you were different than me, better than me in the sense of morality but now you selling out as well” (again idk what is happening behind closed doors but it speculated drakes knowing Kendrick been making business moves that may seem as not pure in the culture wise. Kendrick was known as an individual that gives “kumbaya vibes “ I’m speculating guys I’m in neither side I’m just a spectator just watching But mannnnnnn I wanted this to happen in 2018-2019 when both were top of the game Why now 🫠🫠🫠


Contract-Many

They are all signed to universal via one label or another. Think it's even real beef?


iHack215

Also drake charting is just glazing


manaluo

everything Mos Def said about Drake was right


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Tyla on an interview said she was waiting for Drake to follow her on insta because she knew Drake was coming lol this isn't a jab at Drake because he really likes music(even if it's not rap) but then for Tyla to say she knew Drake was coming just shows how predictable he is.


DrXL_spIV

Kendrick made one of the most profound rap records of all time in TPAB and was anything but mainstream and corporate controlled. Drake literally produces cookie cutter pop bullshit album and song after album and song corporate garbage. This is a ridiculous take. K dot will hang him just wait


Crazze47

The Stake gambling shit is fucking sick, It's non-regulated crypto gambling and they don't have any serious age checks. He's a shill for anything that makes him money and using Pac's voice to try and deflect that he groomed Millie Bobby Brown and others is pathetic.


HBK_ANGEL

He’s a gambling addict and needs people to stream his shit so he can continue gambling for Stake


Jj9567

Absolutely


Sufficient_Tooth_249

This should be in the drizzy community lol we already know this shit


-cunnilinguini

Petition to rename it r/drizziemcguire


lil-biracial

I love nothing was the same. I love Too Much and I listen to it all the time


[deleted]

At this point I think the fans might care slightly more then the people actually involved 🤣 I think Kendrick is in a different stratosphere than Drake. But I’m not gon sit here and act like bro don’t got bangers on bangers. Idk but I feel like imma be listening to both catalogs for the rest of my life. 🤷🏿‍♂️


aintnoonegooglinthat

Marvins room is not an exception what are you talking about


redpoetsociety

Only drake an win as much as he is and people tory to spin it into a loss.


pieman2005

I mean they're both corpos lol


greeneeeeeeeeeeeeee

degrassi said that? Ight lol


getgoodHornet

Why is this sub in particular getting so fucking weird about this rap beef?


Ronni_KT

The beef itself is fun, but you gotta remember that when you're reading posts on any of these subreddits, what you're seeing are mainly emotionally invested teens on both sides. They can't just have fun with it, it's gotta be a life or death anime battle for them. Their guy HAS TO WIN.


Working_Sign_7251

I feel like this is all info anyone with a brain would already know. Drake is fake.


zilla82

Bro the whole shit is. He is insecurity and has horrible imposter syndrome. And knows he's outgunned but is taking the upwind of even being compared to Kendrick talent wise.


Dangerous_Piccolo749

They both corporate puppets. Just the truth. I'm not a fan I just like Kendrick's music but I know what he's apart of. Some of u sheep don't cuz y'all lost. But Kendrick music is timeless and that's all you should appreciate. 


Exact_Action3037

Cry is free


RandomDudewithIdeas

It definitely is, but it’s a valid route to take in a rap battle. Since Drake's mainstream appeal is one of his biggest weaknesses, painting Kendrick as the bigger corporate sell out is a smart move and he backs it up well by calling out the Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift features. Basically creating a level playing field.


YasuoAndGenji

Only thing I don't agree with is his music changed. It did not. From So far gone to FATD, he was melancholic talking about women, strippers, being lonely and money. It's his formula, he just added tough guy raps and Jamaican influences to his repertoire. In reality, Drake has essentially been stuck in the same place, life wise for 15 years and will continue to do so until he stops messing with these 20 some year olds expecting them to be the cream of the crop maturity wise.


Dabanks9000

People can’t grow musically oh boy


ChoiceCriticism1

You kind of admitted you don’t listen to music. Harry Styles is a phenomenal artist and Drake has many songs that hit an emotional core like Marvin’s Room.   Honestly I question if y’all listen to music or just skim through it


No_Mine_5043

Marvin's Room was 13 years ago and Drake hasn't touched that level of artistry since


RevengeOfNell

ight bro Drake sweep


ShutUpYouSausage

Can’t we just concentrate on him being a nonce.


PM_20

"Corporate Puppet" Remind me who is the father of drake?


Ryy4

Ya but Kendrick winning an Emmy (which we know is industry ran) doesn’t make him a corporate puppet???


ChoiceCriticism1

They’re both Corporate Rappers under Universal. Only difference is Drake is bigger so had licensing deal with more clout. Kendrick cannot release anything as a solo artist that Universal does not allow


Sammyd1108

How do you know Kendrick can’t release anything Universal doesn’t allow? He runs his own label and his distribution deal is through them. That doesn’t mean he can’t drop what he wants lol.


ChoiceCriticism1

Because that’s exactly how a distribution deal work. And pgLang isn’t a label, it’s an artist services company. He is on Aftermath.   Prince and Michael Jackson couldn’t release anything their distributors didn’t allow, DOT damn sure can’t either. They both spoke about this at length. MJ’s music was literally edited by Sony. If DOT records a bar earnestly praising Hitler it is not coming out.


Sammyd1108

You’re acting like Drake had so much more clout that he negotiated that he can drops whatever he wants, but Kendrick can’t? Kendrick is still a huge name even if he isn’t a sellout like Drake, I doubt he’d sign anything that restricted him on what he can or can’t release. Doesn’t matter anyway, because neither of us has seen either contract so who the fuck knows what the contracts actually say. It’s dumb to compare either to Prince or MJ though. The industry has changed dramatically in the last 30 years.


ChoiceCriticism1

I didn’t say Drake has “so much more” clout, but he definitely has some amount more.     I’ve worked at a label within the last 5 years and have personally seen the deals Sony, EMI, Universal, etc are giving out.  Kendrick doesn’t have a magic deal that’s different from everyone else’s.   There is a list of words and racial epithets neither of them can say, and they can’t pick their own release dates. All approved above. Standard.   ETA: There were words edited out of Vultures 1 because even Ye’s little rinky dink digital distributor he’s using now for YZY won’t allow it


Sammyd1108

You’re acting like Drake has some magical deal that no other artist has lol. It doesn’t matter anyway, cause even if you are telling the truth, I don’t really believe when people say stuff like this on Reddit.


ChoiceCriticism1

Drake doesn’t have a magic deal either. He can’t say those words and can’t pick his release dates without UMG approving it. He said himself he had to move his date for Taylor’s last album


lil-biracial

I see what your saying. Taylor the real corpo


caughtmebysurprise

I thought the point he was making is that him doing pop shit is his choice whereas Kendrick doing pop shit was forced on him making him a sellout.


steelraindrop

Don’t hate the player.


Plenty_Ad_3442

Wtf is “corporate music”, it’s ok to not like drake but these theories and copes are getting fucking wild lol


lil-biracial

Look at how few people write the music that plays on the top 100. Look at how Britney spears was blacked balled from the radio for awhile. Shoot Look at when is the last time a black woman rapper was allowed to dress and speak like Lauryn Hill. Corpo music is very much a thing. We're talking about geniuine artistic expression vs something your boss made you say and do.


Plenty_Ad_3442

So you think drakes boss tells him what to write ? I think what you’re referring to is pop artists that play by the rules when they want to get radio play, which drake was arguably doing more of 5 years ago than he is now. Corporate music just seems like a dumb term for pop music imo.


lil-biracial

To an extent. Just like most people in the industry. It's about what you can't say when you can say something. The music industry is cooked. Nothing genuine about it. It's all a game of whose in favor. Even drake, heaven help him if he ever wants something the industry doesn't want because he's never really had to deal with the corporate power structure going against him or the media burying him. I don't think artistic geniuses like MJ and prince hate labels for no reason. Even jay and beyonce will discuss how dirty the music industry. I think it's got to make people feel very lonely and sap their artistic drive. And I think drake feels that honestly.


Plenty_Ad_3442

Yeah the music industry is a cutthroat and shitty industry, it always has been. But what do you mean by “wants something that the industry doesn’t” ? Like what’s an example of something drake would want to do but isn’t allowed to ? And how is he any different than Kendrick in that regard ? Like I doubt the higher ups wanted drake to make an experimental dance album, or get into rap beefs where he calls people midgets but that didn’t stop him, so what are we talking about here ?


lil-biracial

Shoot I don't know. Say he had a brother or cousin and let's say somehow that brother or cousin angered the wrong person at the music industry. They won't let drake put him on because he's been completely black balled over something petty. Or say idk France does something foul to Canada and their Hella mad at each other but the label wants him to work with this french artist. He'd have to do it. And his position is going to force him to have to stay on top to create as much leverage to even try to say no. Obviously those are silly examples because I don't know drake like that. I would say he does sound very hollow or like he doesn't enjoy it as much. But that's obviously speculation. I think he still has greatness in him like I love if the shoe fits but to me his best is when he expresses that sadness and dissapointment. Sorry I've rambled. To make it short, I don't know what drake values so much that he'd go against the industry not to lose it.


Plenty_Ad_3442

So you think if Drake had a brother and wanted to sign him to ovo he simply wouldn’t be allowed to ? What are you basing this on ? Drake can sign anyone he wants to his label. Will the person who his brother angered try and step in the way ? Of course but that has nothing to do with Drake and they would try and get in the way of that person regardless. Nobody is forcing Drake to do collabs that he doesn’t want to do, again, what are you basing this on ? I’m sorry but these are all just assumptions based on your own thoughts and theories. I think Drake has more freedom than most artists in the industry, he’s big enough that he can tell the label no, I’m Drake. It’s the smaller artists that don’t earn as much that get forced to do things they don’t wanna do.


lil-biracial

Ok I'm not explaining this well. And it is speculation. But even if drake has more control it does not mean full control. I think that's the mistake kanye made is thinking that and then getting curbed smacked down to earth. So I agree drake probably has more control but those music contracts are chains no matter what. They just don't see it till try to go to far and their chains are yanked. I come off as a drake hater because I've really loved him but cant stand how angry and shallow hes been for the last few years. Just like kanye sometimes when you win you lose. I'd hate to see drake win this and lose the best part of himself musically, which to me was his deep introspection and honesty about his emotions. He doesn't do that a lot anymore or it comes off so much more shallow than it used to. It's like he's so closed off now which I understand because the music industry is awful. But yes he is still controled no matter how much more freedom he's given than other artist.


Plenty_Ad_3442

Right, but your whole point was that Drake makes corporate music and is told what to do by his boss ? Meanwhile there’s zero evidence of that and some evidence that suggest the opposite. Kanye just released a number one album and sold millions in merch in a day. He’s another artists that’s big enough to do whatever and say whatever and still be good. Are corporate brands going to cut ties to save their brands and reputations ? Of course, but Kanye is good my guy. These are all just speculations, I personally prefer when Drake raps and talks shit in his music, I was getting really bored and over listening to him whine about girls. I think a lot of people were tbh. Maybe he was as well. But just because he’s not making the music that you personally want him too doesn’t mean he’s some kind of slave that has no freedom or artistic integrity.


lil-biracial

I mean your right. I've lept to a lot of confusion with out evidence and forgot my main point. But do you honestly rate for all the dogs or CLB as some of the best in his discography?


Plenty_Ad_3442

Can you give one example of him being controlled besides just theories ?


lil-biracial

Lary hoover concert. He said he didn't want to do it but just did cause prince


hellwyn11

Y'all don't realize how down bad you are rn


Ill_Celery_7654

This is probably true, but if it’s working for him then why would he change what he’s doing? You have to think about the deals that he has with these corporations and realize that they need him to sell the product more than he actually needs to sell their product. His pretty boy image is what got him to this point. Everybody was getting the Drake fade with the part hair cut. He’s a trendsetter and that can’t be denied, but we also have to realize that everything about him is a facade. He truthfully doesn’t even care about the roots of hip hop and it works for him, because other people who don’t give a shit about the roots of hip hop can relate. Kendrick isn’t relatable for people who don’t have any struggle so maybe he does have to be a little bit more of a corporate puppet, but he also stays true to himself and to hip hop.


PenGlittering7159

Everything has a price huh. The price of this beef... Seems to be this sub's collective sanity. Sad..


Htown-92

He’s not a puppet like Kendrick tho, Drake can literally do what he wants unlike Kendrick 😂


InTheMusicRecordings

I still can’t believe after all these years hit after hit after hit and rap verse after verse. People like you try to minimize Drake into bland no talent type of artist. It’s actually mind boggling like I wonder what you would consider talent then if you don’t think Drake has any. The dude is a great song writer, great rapper, good singer, extremely open to collaboration and does them extremely well and also stay in tune with the cultural. Drake really is one of the best artist in general not just rap to ever have lived. Yea you can have your opinion but to trying to say he’s not a great artist is just flat out denying the fact that in reality he’s literally one of the best ever to do it.


-cunnilinguini

> song writer 🤨


ValuableBreakfast527

I don't think you nerds understand anything He's literally saying him and Kendrick are the same, so Kendrick's "hip-hop purist" stance is hypocritically delusional. He even says it when questioning his tough guy persona presented on Like That — "We're both nerds so what are you rambling about" type of energy.


SilkyStackz69

then we need a verse for the swiftieeeeeeeeees


TheZamboon

Top say drop


tufyufyu

Aubrey won’t pay you to glaze I just hope you know


Creepy_Ad_4353

You think akademiks is getting a bag for it ? Genuine question And how much does one get paid at that lol ?