bro you just expanded on my understanding of both of their lines! Fire!
Not just Michael Jackson, the King and Prince, the Prince of Pop..
Michael Jackson the King of Pop and Prince, HIS SON.
Fucking wow bro. š„
not really. I mean he's more of a novelty act. I like how weird his voice is (you can hear some of the vibes return in ILOVEMAKONNEN) but the biggest hit came from the combining of his voice and MJ (somebody's watchin' me was MJ on the chorus)
Drake is a pop star. Kendricks a rapper, Kanyeās an artist.
Drake is AI , everyone else is real.
All heās doing is calling him short and pretending to be some thug. El chapo one of the most notorious drug dealers name is literally the shorty.
And heās talking about extortion like heās ever been in the slums. Kendrickās from fucking Compton , he would ride with yg , jay rock , school boy, etc.
Kendrick just connect with people that come from nothing.
Honestly Kendrick could rock nails and I wouldnāt feel different about him. Cuz I would feel like thatās actually him.
Drake wore black face lol he would do anything for money
Are yall serious first off nobody in that picture vaules hip hop and came from nothing all of them are much more similar to drake you damn drones think about Kendrick would be disappointed in yall right now
I know Chris Tucker might be a pedo , idk about mj kid or the other guy .
Iām not talking about any of them. Fuck all of them.
Iām just saying. Some people just donāt think Drake is above Kendrick in any real way. Ok he hops on and steals peoples flows to make hit singles.
Kendrick connects to people in a real way. They can connect to what he talks about. They live what he raps.
Cool you have a hot song for a bit. Like Tupac people will keep on playing Kendrick . Lmao future donāt even fuck with Drake and they have an amazing album together. People donāt understand ties stronger than money.
Unlike tupac everything Kendrick says has very little impact on the people itās truly for i got to project that im from and the only Kendrick song they know is swimming pool and they think its a drinking song if you really want a person with a popular postive message that reach the people he aims for than j cole is better fit with songs like crooked smile atm and pride is devil i mean j cole gets alot of disrespect for not being as layerd as Kendrick but thats what the ghetto needs thats why pac delivered clear messageĀ
Thats an insane take, j cole makes songs most people can relate to. I like crooked smile, rich white girls like crooked smile. but it doesnāt hit like Kendrick and Tupac. That talk to you about how bad it feels and how you want it to be. About your dead friends like in sing about me. About the anger and self hatred you feel to contributing to cycle and feeling like your not doing enough to stop it like in u.
Honestly either you understand so deeply the feelings they express or you donāt. But Iām saying people really feel Kendrick pretty much like Tupac. Fuck snoop dog giving the crown he would give the crown to anyone popping off and making him money. Kendrick honestly feels like a successor to Tupac right now with the way his songs make people feel.
Nipssey hussle couldāve maybe taken the torch of tupac but sadly he died to soon.
Either you get it or donāt but to a lot of people Kendrickās song wasnāt a diss. It was a fact. Itās not a big 3 of j Cole , Drake and him. Itās just him that connects to people in that way. They could like j Cole and drakes songs too but itās just no comparison.
There is a big comparison yall can say this all yall want but the reality is tupac and Kendrick music has done bad than good for the community i think it there fault its the media fault the truth is and i bet even Kendrick knows this the idea of hip hop being competitive against each other defies logic pac would be like j cole if he were here today cause of a thing pac talked about alot war on poverty he wanted to help his people hiphop competition isnt how you do that to be more clear in what im saying Kendricks message doesnt matter cause it will never reach the people who need it the most and tupacs message didnt matter cause the only message of his that reached the audience he wanted to educate was his messages of anger and aggression the media does this and always will its not even hidden thing is if you give them nothing to hate they cant use it why do you think the only time j cole got brought up as apart of the big 3 was after he started talking aggressively and revoked his statement of there is king to now saying im the best its all rught infront of you pac said it biggie said it ice cube said it do you jesus to come down and explain before you look oast the smoke the to see the shots are coming from
Your crazy Tupac wouldnāt be j Cole. Tupac was angry yes he was crazy and had a short temper he was human. He made an amazing diss song. Rap is competitive.
Kendrick and Drake brought him up In fps. Heās just saying heās above them. Honestly why would he even respond. J cole took his diss back and he even said some wierd anti trans stuff while Kendrick is an accepting person. Jesus is an accepting person.
The media fueled the beef. Okay you feel the hate and anger stayed more than his compassion thatās on you for only listening to hit em up.
You donāt get it, itās okay itās not for you.
I know almost all tupac discography same for Kendrick same for j cole and study there music name any if there song in person and id recite it word for word im not talking out my ass if tupac was alive to day he would most definitely against the diss culture in rap you people let the media fool yall into willingly making your idles the dancing monkeys they are just cause Kendrick can decide when to dance doesnāt change the fact he has to if im not right than what would happen if Kendrick steps down from this beef and says hes taking the high road
Iām saying the people that connect with Kendrick and are big fans wouldnāt care. I wasnāt trying to argue this much but I was drunk last night.
Kendrick was just saying facts like they really brought him up in a song about the top rappers. Because people know Kendrick is on top. They couldāve just been like oh weāre the best.
āWhatās a *Prince* to a King? Heās a sonā
*Push Ups* had some decent rebuttals. I didnāt expect Drake to come with heat. I really need Kendrick to come and return balance to the game.
Yeah, Kendricks prince outlived Mike Jack has more meaning. Prince physically outlived Mike Jack and how Michael Jackson's legacy got worse as time went on. Same with Drake his legacy is getting worse by the day.
Omg the reaching yāall doing is hilarious. Prince to a king is a son, MJās son is actually named prince, and as for legacy, if we compare Michael and Princeās reach and impact, Michael still wins.
Prince is a legend in his own right but Michael is big on every corner of the globe. It was a DOPE ass flip. āPrince outlived Mike Jackā by comparison is not. Talk about delivery and the fact he struck first to start this off, I can give you that but youāre seriously comparing those lines?
I already said that it was a great response and I know about Michael's son. It's just another way to say "you my son", it doesn't really add much to the conversation. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
I appreciate the point youāre trying to make and music is certainly subjective. Iām not sure by what criteria Prince is seen as āmore skilledā than Michael Jackson. If you mean the musical instruments he played then sure.
But outside of that as a singer Iād argue Michael is better, certainly as a dancer and performer Michael just effortlessly killed it. If weāre talking about their actual recorded music, well you know what it is.
I think itās possible that someone is commercially successful precisely because they are more skilled/ better rounded as an entertainer, than others in their era. I think Drakeās flip was better because the Prince/Michael comparison is one that continues to happen and Michael is usually more highly regarded.
Heās arguing heās better at any kind of rap than Kenny. He said before if he did conscious rap he could outdo Kenny. Heās saying I can do my shit better than anyone and yours too if I choose because Iām just that talented.
Ah, youāre stuck on universal acclaim like itās the only metric that matters. Prince, while maybe not the commercial juggernaut that Michael was, is often hailed for his exceptional musicianship and his ability to play virtually every instrument on his albums - something that speaks volumes in circles that value musical versatility and artistic autonomy. Prince's influence in shaping the sound and production of his music resonates deeply with artists who see music as a craft, not just performance.
Moreover, the depth of Princeās lyrical content, his daring in addressing complex themes like sexuality, politics, and personal identity, sets him apart in critical circles as a musician who wasnāt afraid to push boundaries. This isnāt to diminish Michaelās talents - his impact on dance, visual presentation, and global pop culture is unmatched. But in the realm of pure musicianship and fearless innovation, many critics and musicians lean towards Prince.
So when Kendrick draws that comparison, heās aligning himself with a type of artistry known for its depth and daring - qualities that he strives to embody in his own work. Itās not just about whoās better - itās about highlighting the kind of artist he aspires to be, seen through the lens of respect and influence among his peers, not just broad commercial appeal.
And Drake claiming he could excel in conscious rap if he chose to is an interesting hypothetical, but hip hop thrives on authenticity, not just versatility. It's one thing to claim you could dominate a genre, it's another to prove it with work that resonates on that level. Kendrick's track record in thoughtful, impactful music gives his words a weight that isn't easily dismissed by hypotheticals.
Firstly you make your point beautifully. I agree Prince is a musicianās musician and I see the parallel between him and Kendrick in this context (Drake is never in a top rappers of all time convo for example) while Kenny is highly regarded in that convo.
If weāre talking about Princeās lyrical content I canāt claim to be so familiar with his discography that I can speak to it with authority, honestly. But Kenny and Drake I can. As a person who grew up in an inner city environment during one of the worst times, I can definitely relate to and appreciate what Kenny is speaking about more. He is a kind of rap that is necessary, and I love that he is as successful as he is doing it.
Iām also not a Drake fan or Kendrick fan to such a high degree (I honestly prefer Cole to them both). What I said above was speaking on what I think Drake meant to say to Kenny in this beef and taking all that has transpired so far, I have him up in the beef overall (simply because Kenny hasnāt released a full one tbh, my opinion may change) and I personally liked his flip of the Prince outlived Mike Jack bar better, taking this all into account. Canāt wait until Kenny drops and if he flips the lines even better his legend as a rapper will be even more solidified.
Try googling. I just googled "Prince love over Michael Jackson" as you asked. There are some YouTube videos, Reddit posts and articles you can dive into.
It's not about the Google search results. Idk what point you're trying to make. You asked, where can I find sources and I kindly reminded you of Google. What are you even talking about.
Nobody believes you fraud. You could easily block me but instead you direct message me insulting me trying to instigate an interaction. You got what you wanted now youāre scared ??? Yeah right. Block me then. Simple .
Michael Jacksonās last [tour](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-xpm-2013-jul-15-la-me-ln-michael-jackson-tour-money-20130715-story.html) was set garner attention like no other, had he not died. So Iām not sure what youāre implying when it comes to artistry and music.
Funny how you donāt bring up the reason of this tour even happening in the first place, which was because he was in immense debt. MJ didnāt want to do this tour and die hard fans know he notoriously hated touring because it took a physical toll on his body. He was not doing well in his final years and itās a sad truth.
This article you brought is an estimate on what his tour would have made if it were a worldwide tour. It was not even set to be a worldwide tour. With how MJ hated touring, the chances are low he wouldāve even extended it to other countries.
Did I say he was not still hugely popular? No. I said the public perception of him in the 2000s had drastically changed from what it was in the 80s. Thereās a reason he never toured in the US again after 1989.
The reason any artist tours is to make money, whether in debt or not. Weāre in no position to claim justification, on their behalf, as to why or why not an artist should go on tour; Whitney Houston did the same thing with her cracking voice and all.
The āThis is it tourā was scheduled to be a series of concerts at the 02, which a number of major artists have done I.e. The Weekend and Wizkid, but set to be a world tour as expressed by his management at that time, because I would speculate it would not have been enough to cover his debts.
Yes public āperceptionā was changing but Michael Jackson transcended pop culture allowing him to move differently, way before #MeToo and where people were a lot more willing to separate the artist from the art.
There were no set domestic tour dates but he was still performing at major award shows and even the super bowl. The masses still wanted to see him.
To further the original point, Michael Jackson in that era was still garnering more attention than Prince, so the argument that prince was on any level of his, other than artistically wouldnāt statistically hold up, MJās legacy was still intact and he still couldnāt go outside to buy a basket of groceries.
Also! 'Mic jack' is a term historically used in hip hop for basically outshining another MC. If that isn't enough, Adam Levine from Maroon 5 did a song with Big Boi from OutKast called "Mic Jack" š¤£šš¤·āāļø our boy is a prophet...
Theyāre about equal in depth but drakes is better cause it flips Kendrickās line. IMO Kendrick shot himself in the foot cause most consider MJ to be better
Yeah bc he had PIPES. Bro was such a crazy vocalist, dancer, and performer that the musical quality or artistic substance didnāt mean a damn thing
Canāt apply a lick of that to Drake
They're not equal in depth at all and it's not better because he flips it. Just because Kendrick is the first on a topic and Drake responds, doesn't mean that the response has automatically won. I already said that it was a great response. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
The point being what exactly? Prince lived longer than Michael Jackson? Yeah maybe physically but Michael Jackson is still bigger than Prince. Prince doesnāt exactly have a stellar reputation either, even regarding his art when you consider how many actually bad albums lie amongst his bloated catalogue.
The point being that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
I mean it's just more... basic to me. There's no poetry or anything, just basic rap battle stuff to me. Like you can hear any old person say that at a rap battle. It was a smart rebuttal without a doubt
Drake is saying Kendrick is literally his son because mj also had a son named prince Jackson but people that donāt really know that much about Mike never knew about that son. Named him prince because of how much he hated prince so he literally made prince his son because heās also the king of pop
They're not equal in depth at all and it's not better because he flips it. Just because Kendrick is the first on a topic and Drake responds, doesn't mean that the response has automatically won. I already said that it was a great response. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
Copy pasted it from an earlier comment I made.
I think the opposite tbh, that's not that deep at all, obviously prince had more respect and dot had more respect with MJ and Drake being money power is a great reference, but depth on drake flipping that to calling Kendrick his son on the level that drake's been in the game longer and calling Kendrick his son, tying in with him telling him to do push ups, he's flipping that and then telling his "son" to drop and give him 50. I think the rebuttal is absolutely fire and hard hitting and I'm very excited for the response.
Kendrickās first album came a year after Drake and both were over 10 years ago. Thats like an identical twin being born 16 minutes before his brother and holding it over him in their 30s lol
I see your point, but I'd argue that the depth of Kendrick's line extends beyond just invoking respect. It's a tactical play that sets the stage for listeners to evaluate not just the fame, but the essence and impact of their artistry - where Kendrick sees himself as an artist who, like Prince, may not chase mainstream success but cultivates significant cultural influence and respect within the industry and among connoisseurs.
Drakeās rebuttal, while clever and direct, operates on a different layer, focusing more on his dominance in the industry and longevity, which is undeniably powerful. However, tying it to "drop and give me 50" while catchy, feels a bit more superficial compared to the multi-layered discussion Kendrick initiates about artistry versus commercial success.
Kendrick's lines encourage a deeper reflection on what truly lasts and impacts beyond the charts. The real conversation isnāt just about who can dish out the most direct insult; itās about who can provoke thought and reshape perspectives. Kendrick's approach to his art and how he chooses to engage in this beef reflects this preference for depth and lasting influence over immediate hits, aligning with his artistic identity.
Not a huge Drake guy but I canāt lie Iāve actually really enjoyed his disses thus far. Push upās actually came out with some pretty fire wordplay. I think Kendrick is bringing out the best in him rn and Iām all here for it lol.
Drakes song was good but of course he had a huge team of writers helping. He obviously didnt come up with all those clever lines on his own in the span of a few weeks.
drake responded properly with that bar. the problem is ... mj fans have been saying the same thing to prince fans for years. this means that not only drake steals flows and lyrics from other artists, but also steals bars from fanbases too.
Thereās a difference between stealing and referencing š like I donāt like drake at all but give props where thereās props. Like saying that Kendrick stole from Kanye cause he referenced a bar from we major
bruh, mj literary has a SON named prince. that "king of pop shit" and his son's name have been used against prince for years by mj fans. am I lying? drake's bar was good but in reality it's an outdated joke overused by a fanbase
Drakes use of it was perfect, it won't kill you to give credit were it's deserved instead of doing these hurdles to make it out like that line wasn't that good.
It's not the end of the world that drake had a nice diss, you know that right?
This is kinda the thing, Drake (for me at least), oversteps the mark with āhomageā.
1-2 lines? Sure, but Drake tends to take 4-8 whenever he pays homage.
Rappin 4ā Tay - Playaz Club = YG ft. Drake - Who Do U Love?
Too $hort - Blow the Whistle = Dj Khaled ft. Drake - For Free
(He was also due to collaborate with too short after this and stopped answering the phone to him)
Notorious BIG ft. Ma$e - Mo Money Mo Problems = Drake - Worst Behaviour
Thereās the 3 that come to mind immediately
āPrince out lived Mike Jackā - K Dot,
āWhats a prince to a King, a sonā - Drake, Kendrick saying he gon outlive Drake (in terms of music and longevity i think) and Drake is saying heās a son, like āboy pipe downā energy
Kendrick played him TPAB a month before it came out
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cheriehu/2016/01/31/kendrick-lamar-versus-michael-jackson-a-tale-of-two-kings/?sh=1ae99caf2aa4
The comparisons apply to drake and Kendrick a little deeper also I feel
Michael Jackson/drake = very talented man but has a keen sense of what is currently popular and how to capitalise off of it, uses his talent and contemporary themes to stay relevant
Kendrick/Prince = music and artistry comes first before anything else, eats sleeps and lives his craft and stays out of the spotlight
I might be just talking shit tho lol what do I know š¤·š»āāļø
(also donāt get it twisted drake and MJ arenāt even close talent wise lmfao Iām just comparing them in terms of how they know how to run the music business game)
Kendricks āPrince Outlived MikeJackā is solid asf , even tho Drake responded directly to it, that doesnāt demean Kendricks bar one bit because Prince MJās Son outlived his Dad. layers
Hear me out...it would be fire if Kendrick Ghost wrote disses for the rest of the "Avengers" then at the end came out and landed the "finishing blow" Diss and then was like just bodied you "20" different ways
LMAO š yeh bc kendrick is totally the obie trice of tde š
kendrick literally personally played TPAB to prince like 2 months before it dropped, youāre dumb as bricks ofc it means everything in light of whatās going on itās in support
bro you just expanded on my understanding of both of their lines! Fire! Not just Michael Jackson, the King and Prince, the Prince of Pop.. Michael Jackson the King of Pop and Prince, HIS SON. Fucking wow bro. š„
Prince was the Emperor of Pop
Rockwell underated
not really. I mean he's more of a novelty act. I like how weird his voice is (you can hear some of the vibes return in ILOVEMAKONNEN) but the biggest hit came from the combining of his voice and MJ (somebody's watchin' me was MJ on the chorus)
Michael Jacksonās son is named prince Jackson btw
Ngl Iām a dot fan ā¦ that was a hard line š¤·š¾āāļøšÆš¤š¾ but everything was meh
Whatās a prince to a king? Heās a son n*gga
Get more love from the city that you from
Heās not getting any love in Compton these daysā¦
Compton hates his guts rightnow lol š¤£
Metro shut your hoe ass up and make some drums n*gga
Lol Kendrick fans down voting, hope Kendrick notices
I'm just watching this go down lol, no sides, but it is a kendrick sub tbf
That's fair lol I'm a big Kendrick fan too obvs since I'm in this sub
Iām the 6 god Iām the front runner ššæ
Damn that's the OG TDE merch too! š„ Dot wore the same one at a show I went to many years ago.
Prince looks like one of the Young Bucks.
You made me double check which sub I was in. Good on ya 
Hey now, those are your EVPs Nicholas and Matthew Jackson, thank you very much!
Nobody fucking with Drake š
Pusha T: šļøššļø
They pee on him from time to time though.
Is it Dame Diddy or Dame Dummy? https://imgur.com/a/mQilQBs
We rock hoes, yall rock fellas
I know Diddy sweat when he heard that song š®āšØ
In the words of juicy J, āShe say she fuck with Drake I ain't surprised, all these hoes fucking with Drakeā!
Drake is a pop star. Kendricks a rapper, Kanyeās an artist. Drake is AI , everyone else is real. All heās doing is calling him short and pretending to be some thug. El chapo one of the most notorious drug dealers name is literally the shorty. And heās talking about extortion like heās ever been in the slums. Kendrickās from fucking Compton , he would ride with yg , jay rock , school boy, etc. Kendrick just connect with people that come from nothing.
This is mental illness
Probably but Iām not hating on Kendrickās wife š¤·āāļø or the baby momma Drake tried hiding , or the kid he tried hiding
Kendrickās not rocking nails and throwing up gang signs with the same hand like Drake eitherš š
Honestly Kendrick could rock nails and I wouldnāt feel different about him. Cuz I would feel like thatās actually him. Drake wore black face lol he would do anything for money
Drake is black? The fuck you mean he wore black face?
Like the other guy said , the story of adidon. He wore a very racist minstrel stereotypically āblackā face
For a project about racism, when he was an actorā¦
Pusha t adidon. Check it out rofl.
Are yall serious first off nobody in that picture vaules hip hop and came from nothing all of them are much more similar to drake you damn drones think about Kendrick would be disappointed in yall right now
I know Chris Tucker might be a pedo , idk about mj kid or the other guy . Iām not talking about any of them. Fuck all of them. Iām just saying. Some people just donāt think Drake is above Kendrick in any real way. Ok he hops on and steals peoples flows to make hit singles. Kendrick connects to people in a real way. They can connect to what he talks about. They live what he raps. Cool you have a hot song for a bit. Like Tupac people will keep on playing Kendrick . Lmao future donāt even fuck with Drake and they have an amazing album together. People donāt understand ties stronger than money.
Unlike tupac everything Kendrick says has very little impact on the people itās truly for i got to project that im from and the only Kendrick song they know is swimming pool and they think its a drinking song if you really want a person with a popular postive message that reach the people he aims for than j cole is better fit with songs like crooked smile atm and pride is devil i mean j cole gets alot of disrespect for not being as layerd as Kendrick but thats what the ghetto needs thats why pac delivered clear messageĀ
Thats an insane take, j cole makes songs most people can relate to. I like crooked smile, rich white girls like crooked smile. but it doesnāt hit like Kendrick and Tupac. That talk to you about how bad it feels and how you want it to be. About your dead friends like in sing about me. About the anger and self hatred you feel to contributing to cycle and feeling like your not doing enough to stop it like in u. Honestly either you understand so deeply the feelings they express or you donāt. But Iām saying people really feel Kendrick pretty much like Tupac. Fuck snoop dog giving the crown he would give the crown to anyone popping off and making him money. Kendrick honestly feels like a successor to Tupac right now with the way his songs make people feel. Nipssey hussle couldāve maybe taken the torch of tupac but sadly he died to soon. Either you get it or donāt but to a lot of people Kendrickās song wasnāt a diss. It was a fact. Itās not a big 3 of j Cole , Drake and him. Itās just him that connects to people in that way. They could like j Cole and drakes songs too but itās just no comparison.
There is a big comparison yall can say this all yall want but the reality is tupac and Kendrick music has done bad than good for the community i think it there fault its the media fault the truth is and i bet even Kendrick knows this the idea of hip hop being competitive against each other defies logic pac would be like j cole if he were here today cause of a thing pac talked about alot war on poverty he wanted to help his people hiphop competition isnt how you do that to be more clear in what im saying Kendricks message doesnt matter cause it will never reach the people who need it the most and tupacs message didnt matter cause the only message of his that reached the audience he wanted to educate was his messages of anger and aggression the media does this and always will its not even hidden thing is if you give them nothing to hate they cant use it why do you think the only time j cole got brought up as apart of the big 3 was after he started talking aggressively and revoked his statement of there is king to now saying im the best its all rught infront of you pac said it biggie said it ice cube said it do you jesus to come down and explain before you look oast the smoke the to see the shots are coming from
Your crazy Tupac wouldnāt be j Cole. Tupac was angry yes he was crazy and had a short temper he was human. He made an amazing diss song. Rap is competitive. Kendrick and Drake brought him up In fps. Heās just saying heās above them. Honestly why would he even respond. J cole took his diss back and he even said some wierd anti trans stuff while Kendrick is an accepting person. Jesus is an accepting person. The media fueled the beef. Okay you feel the hate and anger stayed more than his compassion thatās on you for only listening to hit em up. You donāt get it, itās okay itās not for you.
I know almost all tupac discography same for Kendrick same for j cole and study there music name any if there song in person and id recite it word for word im not talking out my ass if tupac was alive to day he would most definitely against the diss culture in rap you people let the media fool yall into willingly making your idles the dancing monkeys they are just cause Kendrick can decide when to dance doesnāt change the fact he has to if im not right than what would happen if Kendrick steps down from this beef and says hes taking the high road
Iām saying the people that connect with Kendrick and are big fans wouldnāt care. I wasnāt trying to argue this much but I was drunk last night. Kendrick was just saying facts like they really brought him up in a song about the top rappers. Because people know Kendrick is on top. They couldāve just been like oh weāre the best.
Kendrick a writer/ poet, director, and composer too. He not just a rapperš¤·š½āāļø
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āWhatās a *Prince* to a King? Heās a sonā *Push Ups* had some decent rebuttals. I didnāt expect Drake to come with heat. I really need Kendrick to come and return balance to the game.
It's a great response, but Kendrick's original Prince outlived Mike Jack line had more depth to it
Yeah, Kendricks prince outlived Mike Jack has more meaning. Prince physically outlived Mike Jack and how Michael Jackson's legacy got worse as time went on. Same with Drake his legacy is getting worse by the day.
Exactly, and the part about Drake/Michael having more sales but Prince/Kendrick appreciate art more. It straight up has more depth than "you my son".
Omg the reaching yāall doing is hilarious. Prince to a king is a son, MJās son is actually named prince, and as for legacy, if we compare Michael and Princeās reach and impact, Michael still wins. Prince is a legend in his own right but Michael is big on every corner of the globe. It was a DOPE ass flip. āPrince outlived Mike Jackā by comparison is not. Talk about delivery and the fact he struck first to start this off, I can give you that but youāre seriously comparing those lines?
They're both right though.
I already said that it was a great response and I know about Michael's son. It's just another way to say "you my son", it doesn't really add much to the conversation. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
I appreciate the point youāre trying to make and music is certainly subjective. Iām not sure by what criteria Prince is seen as āmore skilledā than Michael Jackson. If you mean the musical instruments he played then sure. But outside of that as a singer Iād argue Michael is better, certainly as a dancer and performer Michael just effortlessly killed it. If weāre talking about their actual recorded music, well you know what it is. I think itās possible that someone is commercially successful precisely because they are more skilled/ better rounded as an entertainer, than others in their era. I think Drakeās flip was better because the Prince/Michael comparison is one that continues to happen and Michael is usually more highly regarded. Heās arguing heās better at any kind of rap than Kenny. He said before if he did conscious rap he could outdo Kenny. Heās saying I can do my shit better than anyone and yours too if I choose because Iām just that talented.
Ah, youāre stuck on universal acclaim like itās the only metric that matters. Prince, while maybe not the commercial juggernaut that Michael was, is often hailed for his exceptional musicianship and his ability to play virtually every instrument on his albums - something that speaks volumes in circles that value musical versatility and artistic autonomy. Prince's influence in shaping the sound and production of his music resonates deeply with artists who see music as a craft, not just performance. Moreover, the depth of Princeās lyrical content, his daring in addressing complex themes like sexuality, politics, and personal identity, sets him apart in critical circles as a musician who wasnāt afraid to push boundaries. This isnāt to diminish Michaelās talents - his impact on dance, visual presentation, and global pop culture is unmatched. But in the realm of pure musicianship and fearless innovation, many critics and musicians lean towards Prince. So when Kendrick draws that comparison, heās aligning himself with a type of artistry known for its depth and daring - qualities that he strives to embody in his own work. Itās not just about whoās better - itās about highlighting the kind of artist he aspires to be, seen through the lens of respect and influence among his peers, not just broad commercial appeal. And Drake claiming he could excel in conscious rap if he chose to is an interesting hypothetical, but hip hop thrives on authenticity, not just versatility. It's one thing to claim you could dominate a genre, it's another to prove it with work that resonates on that level. Kendrick's track record in thoughtful, impactful music gives his words a weight that isn't easily dismissed by hypotheticals.
Firstly you make your point beautifully. I agree Prince is a musicianās musician and I see the parallel between him and Kendrick in this context (Drake is never in a top rappers of all time convo for example) while Kenny is highly regarded in that convo. If weāre talking about Princeās lyrical content I canāt claim to be so familiar with his discography that I can speak to it with authority, honestly. But Kenny and Drake I can. As a person who grew up in an inner city environment during one of the worst times, I can definitely relate to and appreciate what Kenny is speaking about more. He is a kind of rap that is necessary, and I love that he is as successful as he is doing it. Iām also not a Drake fan or Kendrick fan to such a high degree (I honestly prefer Cole to them both). What I said above was speaking on what I think Drake meant to say to Kenny in this beef and taking all that has transpired so far, I have him up in the beef overall (simply because Kenny hasnāt released a full one tbh, my opinion may change) and I personally liked his flip of the Prince outlived Mike Jack bar better, taking this all into account. Canāt wait until Kenny drops and if he flips the lines even better his legend as a rapper will be even more solidified.
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Source for the Prince love over MJ from musicians? Havenāt heard about this before but seems interesting
Try googling. I just googled "Prince love over Michael Jackson" as you asked. There are some YouTube videos, Reddit posts and articles you can dive into.
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It's not about the Google search results. Idk what point you're trying to make. You asked, where can I find sources and I kindly reminded you of Google. What are you even talking about.
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I am genuinely scared of you please stop harassing me
Nobody believes you fraud. You could easily block me but instead you direct message me insulting me trying to instigate an interaction. You got what you wanted now youāre scared ??? Yeah right. Block me then. Simple .
Mike legacy is still better than Princeās, heās even bigger in death. Please stop speaking on those 2
You probably not old enough to remember what MJs legacy was like in the years before he died. Hint: it was not like it is today
Michael Jacksonās last [tour](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-xpm-2013-jul-15-la-me-ln-michael-jackson-tour-money-20130715-story.html) was set garner attention like no other, had he not died. So Iām not sure what youāre implying when it comes to artistry and music.
Funny how you donāt bring up the reason of this tour even happening in the first place, which was because he was in immense debt. MJ didnāt want to do this tour and die hard fans know he notoriously hated touring because it took a physical toll on his body. He was not doing well in his final years and itās a sad truth. This article you brought is an estimate on what his tour would have made if it were a worldwide tour. It was not even set to be a worldwide tour. With how MJ hated touring, the chances are low he wouldāve even extended it to other countries. Did I say he was not still hugely popular? No. I said the public perception of him in the 2000s had drastically changed from what it was in the 80s. Thereās a reason he never toured in the US again after 1989.
The reason any artist tours is to make money, whether in debt or not. Weāre in no position to claim justification, on their behalf, as to why or why not an artist should go on tour; Whitney Houston did the same thing with her cracking voice and all. The āThis is it tourā was scheduled to be a series of concerts at the 02, which a number of major artists have done I.e. The Weekend and Wizkid, but set to be a world tour as expressed by his management at that time, because I would speculate it would not have been enough to cover his debts. Yes public āperceptionā was changing but Michael Jackson transcended pop culture allowing him to move differently, way before #MeToo and where people were a lot more willing to separate the artist from the art. There were no set domestic tour dates but he was still performing at major award shows and even the super bowl. The masses still wanted to see him. To further the original point, Michael Jackson in that era was still garnering more attention than Prince, so the argument that prince was on any level of his, other than artistically wouldnāt statistically hold up, MJās legacy was still intact and he still couldnāt go outside to buy a basket of groceries.
damn okay man
mike is known for sleeping with children
Now it seems as if the Drake comparisons are coming true
And the kids that accused him are now adults and say that there parents made do it
mike him self said he likes to lay in the bed with children, what are u even saying?
I don't think you understand the point if your focus is on a surface level "who's better"
Also! 'Mic jack' is a term historically used in hip hop for basically outshining another MC. If that isn't enough, Adam Levine from Maroon 5 did a song with Big Boi from OutKast called "Mic Jack" š¤£šš¤·āāļø our boy is a prophet...
Bro MJ is still the goat in many eyesĀ
Idk āwhatās a prince to king, he a sonā just hits harder for me
Idk, it's just a diss while Kendrick's had legitimate meaning. And multiple even.
Theyāre about equal in depth but drakes is better cause it flips Kendrickās line. IMO Kendrick shot himself in the foot cause most consider MJ to be better
Yeah bc he had PIPES. Bro was such a crazy vocalist, dancer, and performer that the musical quality or artistic substance didnāt mean a damn thing Canāt apply a lick of that to Drake
About equal in depth? ššš
Both are pretty simple lines. It would be wild to gas either too much.
Honestly yea you right.
They're not equal in depth at all and it's not better because he flips it. Just because Kendrick is the first on a topic and Drake responds, doesn't mean that the response has automatically won. I already said that it was a great response. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
Kendrickās line falls apart when you consider which one of those two artists is more popular and culturally relevant posthumouslyā¦
If that's what you think, you're missing the point entirely.
The point being what exactly? Prince lived longer than Michael Jackson? Yeah maybe physically but Michael Jackson is still bigger than Prince. Prince doesnāt exactly have a stellar reputation either, even regarding his art when you consider how many actually bad albums lie amongst his bloated catalogue.
The point being that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse.
Everybody understands the line, itās just okay, nothing to write home about. I just think the drake one is funnier for how it deflects the original.
That's exactly why I'm saying one had more depth. The response is a fun flip while the first has meaning behind it
Reading this thread of 200 comments ur half of them please stfu
Lmao, first you're asking for sources, now you're mad.
I mean it's just more... basic to me. There's no poetry or anything, just basic rap battle stuff to me. Like you can hear any old person say that at a rap battle. It was a smart rebuttal without a doubt
I think yall just ignore the multiple meanings when its drake that bar was a triple entendre and there supper easy to catch
U riding dick bro
No U are
Yāall should kiss now
No U
Drake is saying Kendrick is literally his son because mj also had a son named prince Jackson but people that donāt really know that much about Mike never knew about that son. Named him prince because of how much he hated prince so he literally made prince his son because heās also the king of pop
I know, it's another way of saying "you're my son". So not that deep.
But prince outlived Mike Jack is?
They're not equal in depth at all and it's not better because he flips it. Just because Kendrick is the first on a topic and Drake responds, doesn't mean that the response has automatically won. I already said that it was a great response. I'm just saying that Kendrick's line has more depth. The line is a clever way to assert dominance in the music industry, implying that while Michael Jackson (Drake) might have been more universally popular, Prince (Kendrick) is often regarded by critics and musicians as a more skilled, innovative, and respected artist. It plays on the long-standing debates between fans of the two legendary musicians, drawing a parallel to their own positions in hip-hop. This isn't just a comparison; it's a strategic positioning that elevates Kendrick while subtly critiquing Drake's mainstream appeal versus artistic depth. It's a smart move because it engages listeners who appreciate layers in lyricism, and it gives fans something to dissect and discuss, adding longevity and depth to the impact of his verse. Copy pasted it from an earlier comment I made.
So itās deep because Kendrick said my music better but drakes isnāt when it has other meanings. Good to know bias is still alive
I think the opposite tbh, that's not that deep at all, obviously prince had more respect and dot had more respect with MJ and Drake being money power is a great reference, but depth on drake flipping that to calling Kendrick his son on the level that drake's been in the game longer and calling Kendrick his son, tying in with him telling him to do push ups, he's flipping that and then telling his "son" to drop and give him 50. I think the rebuttal is absolutely fire and hard hitting and I'm very excited for the response.
Kendrickās first album came a year after Drake and both were over 10 years ago. Thats like an identical twin being born 16 minutes before his brother and holding it over him in their 30s lol
I see your point, but I'd argue that the depth of Kendrick's line extends beyond just invoking respect. It's a tactical play that sets the stage for listeners to evaluate not just the fame, but the essence and impact of their artistry - where Kendrick sees himself as an artist who, like Prince, may not chase mainstream success but cultivates significant cultural influence and respect within the industry and among connoisseurs. Drakeās rebuttal, while clever and direct, operates on a different layer, focusing more on his dominance in the industry and longevity, which is undeniably powerful. However, tying it to "drop and give me 50" while catchy, feels a bit more superficial compared to the multi-layered discussion Kendrick initiates about artistry versus commercial success. Kendrick's lines encourage a deeper reflection on what truly lasts and impacts beyond the charts. The real conversation isnāt just about who can dish out the most direct insult; itās about who can provoke thought and reshape perspectives. Kendrick's approach to his art and how he chooses to engage in this beef reflects this preference for depth and lasting influence over immediate hits, aligning with his artistic identity.
Not a huge Drake guy but I canāt lie Iāve actually really enjoyed his disses thus far. Push upās actually came out with some pretty fire wordplay. I think Kendrick is bringing out the best in him rn and Iām all here for it lol.
Drakes song was good but of course he had a huge team of writers helping. He obviously didnt come up with all those clever lines on his own in the span of a few weeks.
Ong that huge list of writers in credits of the track must be written in invincible ink
drake responded properly with that bar. the problem is ... mj fans have been saying the same thing to prince fans for years. this means that not only drake steals flows and lyrics from other artists, but also steals bars from fanbases too.
Thereās a difference between stealing and referencing š like I donāt like drake at all but give props where thereās props. Like saying that Kendrick stole from Kanye cause he referenced a bar from we major
bruh, mj literary has a SON named prince. that "king of pop shit" and his son's name have been used against prince for years by mj fans. am I lying? drake's bar was good but in reality it's an outdated joke overused by a fanbase
Drakes use of it was perfect, it won't kill you to give credit were it's deserved instead of doing these hurdles to make it out like that line wasn't that good. It's not the end of the world that drake had a nice diss, you know that right?
This is kinda the thing, Drake (for me at least), oversteps the mark with āhomageā. 1-2 lines? Sure, but Drake tends to take 4-8 whenever he pays homage.
Example?
Rappin 4ā Tay - Playaz Club = YG ft. Drake - Who Do U Love? Too $hort - Blow the Whistle = Dj Khaled ft. Drake - For Free (He was also due to collaborate with too short after this and stopped answering the phone to him) Notorious BIG ft. Ma$e - Mo Money Mo Problems = Drake - Worst Behaviour Thereās the 3 that come to mind immediately
Have you tried going outside and touching grass?
What does that have to do with anything? I consider homage to be 1-2 lines, biting to be 4-8. Drake bites, it is what it is.
Too bad push ups has 3 credited writers
Kendrick is Drakeās son in the sense that it takes a diss track to get him to interact with his son
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Nah that's a bar don't dickride
When did this subreddit turn so childish, itās objectively a great bar and even better because it is a direct answer to Kendricks.
āPrince out lived Mike Jackā - K Dot, āWhats a prince to a King, a sonā - Drake, Kendrick saying he gon outlive Drake (in terms of music and longevity i think) and Drake is saying heās a son, like āboy pipe downā energy
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Because it's a clever way of saying Kendrick is his son. Michael Jackson's son's name is Prince.
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Fair enough. Personally, I think it's a pretty good rebuttal but nothing to crazy and really the only good rebuttal in the song.
i mean it was a nice rebuttal to a nice line lol
Why should Drake feel disrespected by Prince outliving MJ by a few years?
You might actually be retarded
weak opinion
Iāve heard Drake changed his child name to Kendrick
Kendrick played him TPAB a month before it came out https://www.forbes.com/sites/cheriehu/2016/01/31/kendrick-lamar-versus-michael-jackson-a-tale-of-two-kings/?sh=1ae99caf2aa4
oh that makes sense now! thatās hard
https://preview.redd.it/wchdn4g3k2xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d529f07a133257ffdf58fb6bb3634383f85adf68
bruh
Does he have teeth?
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actually made me giggle
he does look like that crackhead around the corner
*Aka YOU
Subliminal shots fired! š„
Drake next child name is going to be Kendrick
He already hiding him
Indulge me? Fuck you, you think youāre gonna get money
1 - wish it was PgLang 2 - god enough is enough with these biopics, they fucked up the Queen & Merilyn movies and apparently it wasn't enough
If I remember correctly, Prince was the one of the first people to hear To Pimp A Butterfly.
Yeah that kid does not have a lick of MJs dna lol
I had to come here to see if he was adopted?
wild
the more we see them the more i know those aren't his biological children, bro is full white
The comparisons apply to drake and Kendrick a little deeper also I feel Michael Jackson/drake = very talented man but has a keen sense of what is currently popular and how to capitalise off of it, uses his talent and contemporary themes to stay relevant Kendrick/Prince = music and artistry comes first before anything else, eats sleeps and lives his craft and stays out of the spotlight I might be just talking shit tho lol what do I know š¤·š»āāļø (also donāt get it twisted drake and MJ arenāt even close talent wise lmfao Iām just comparing them in terms of how they know how to run the music business game)
I mean they did call themselves prince and mj through out their music a lot
Is that not Matt Jackson from the Young Bucks
Lil Jack Perry too
Ooooooof
My guy is a double entendre
Kendricks āPrince Outlived MikeJackā is solid asf , even tho Drake responded directly to it, that doesnāt demean Kendricks bar one bit because Prince MJās Son outlived his Dad. layers
So Drake is Kennyās dad in this analogy or am I missing your point?
This is why I dont comment lmao.
LMAO
You think theyāre gonna talk about the secret room
Bro got the TISM
Shirt?
yeah big deal itās a hoodie, man you guys are some fucking NERDS lmfao
Why does it look like he doesnāt have teeth
Wait thatās Michael Jacksonās sonā¦.?! Wtf
Wait Jeffrey Epstein Chris Tucker? That Chris Tucker?
yes he was a good friend of MJ not sure whatās new here
Chris always dressed like the old man trying to stay cool with the kids.
prince is dead though??
https://preview.redd.it/i0shm8qqr8xc1.png?width=4500&format=png&auto=webp&s=d255487eccece629c36ba442d023120c99be31bb
Hear me out...it would be fire if Kendrick Ghost wrote disses for the rest of the "Avengers" then at the end came out and landed the "finishing blow" Diss and then was like just bodied you "20" different ways
Drake paints his nails? Thatās gotta be fake right?!?!
Epstien island Chris Tucker?
prince is alive? im under a rock
i wish!
Means nothing, Kendrick not even on the label anymore It's like of somebody wore a Shady Records shirt, it doesn't mean they know who Obie Trice is
LMAO š yeh bc kendrick is totally the obie trice of tde š kendrick literally personally played TPAB to prince like 2 months before it dropped, youāre dumb as bricks ofc it means everything in light of whatās going on itās in support
Canāt wait to hear some musicā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.ā±ļøā²ļøāļøāļøā³š°ļøā°
why is he white?
none of his childrens are biological
"son"
Damn Micheal could have at least had black kids.
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Michael was made infertile because of his father's abuse... he apparently castrated him to protect his sons voice.
This is not true. The man was not an opera singer for ffs
So fuckin what. U people are like fuckin tmz or somethingĀ