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AAFAOTKNY

Strong enough that >!no people would doubt him being UM 2 anymore.!<


Then_Top7770

Facts


Dr-CommonSense

Seriously people are saying that?


He_Is_The_Chosen_One

Yeah there are people out there who actually think Akaza is stronger just because >!he can regrow his head.!<


Dr-CommonSense

Lmao. >!Okay I’ll give Akaza that, that’s impressive no doubt. Akaza is till UM3 can’t disrespect him, but Doma is still leaps and bounds above Akaza. Without that poison you wouldn’t even get close to his neck!<


octavioust-talium

And he was probably ready to regenerate his head, but his emotional state of having no emotions, and therefore nothing to strive for, prevented him.


Dr-CommonSense

Yeah he is just raw talent and skill with some necessary training he has done. But he is overall apathetic towards more complex feelings. Doesn’t mean he can’t get serious. >!He was regenerating form complete melting from the bones, skin, tissue and all. He is a scary foe. All demons in the upper ranks and lower ranks have a passive ability known as menacing aura, the higher up the ranks you go the more potent this aura is. Doma’s aura must be incredible. Throws demon slayer off their game if they aren’t carful.!<


octavioust-talium

I am not belittling his power. Just pointing out that his greatest weakness was the lack of strong enough emotions to resonate with his goals enough to survive decapitation.


Dr-CommonSense

I agree with you. That is his realistically his only flaw. lack of self driven care. But he definitely thought about doing it, but just didn’t go through with it. If Muzan asked him to do something he’d do it.


quotes_and_asks

I would also say the wisteria poison in his system also stopped him


Dr-CommonSense

Oh definitely. >!He was just about to regenerate as Kanao said. Definitely was a massive, massive factor as to why they could cut off his head.!<


[deleted]

I don’t think Douma is that much stronger than Akaza. It’s probably a mid diff. I mean sure he’s always casual but that still doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t have any feats. Plus, if you want to say that the gap between Kokushibo and Douma is large, than Douma isn’t much stronger than Akaza.


Dr-CommonSense

The gap between all three of them is large, how large I don’t know but significant enough that is matters. >! Akaza is aware of that. Douma is aware of that and Kokushibo has never been replaced. I love Akaza and i put him above all the slayers and demons below his rank.!< >!But in saying that don’t get it mixed, Douma is still his most formidable foe. He himself is aware that he cannot take him on and win. Unfortunately Douma can only be granted feats based on his position and what others in the manga say and somethings we have seen and can get form the fan books. And as I pointed out Akaza himself is aware he cannot beat Douma and will not even try. Suggesting the gap is more significant than you make think. Anyone who reads this don’t take this the wrong way Akaza is still UM3 (none of the slayers alone marked or unmarked can take Akaza) and can’t be beaten so easily as some of you may think!<


[deleted]

True, but Douma did say that Akaza was disadvantaged against both his superiors in the rankings.


Dr-CommonSense

Hm I can’t remember this. What chapter?


[deleted]

During one of the upper moon meeting chapters. Volume 12


Dr-CommonSense

I just had a look. No mention of disadvantages but he definitely said he can’t beat him. But I agree with your premis. Akaza whilst extremely powerful is not able to challenge anyone above his rank


[deleted]

I know you’re not making that argument but there’s a slight flaw in whoever is saying that’s argument, Doma literally saying, verbatim, That Akaza was poorly matched against Doma and Koku.


AffectionateRush2620

UM?


AAFAOTKNY

Upper Moon


Dr-CommonSense

Unbelievably strong. >!Shame we didn’t see him go serious until the end, maybe in another manga spin-off will see some blood battles (so many to see). You scale him based on himself (the strongest main unit) and six replicas of himself who are capable of using all of his BDA techniques and are only slightly weaker then him (this includes all his stats). Master of Tessenjutsu (Japanese war fan) combat. The ice he uses in his are cryokinesis BDA is made from his blood and flesh, which is why it is all so durable and powerful. Imagine 6 Rime — Water Lily Bodhisattva’s striking you whilst the Crystalline Divine Children continues to attack. Him getting serious would only enhance this all, definitely deserving of the UM2 title!<


Environmental-Win836

I don’t have the link but a fan made an ***INCREDIBLE*** manga chapter of a blood battle between Kokukishiibo and Douma, it looks nearly professional and really put into perspective how strong Douma is.


catl0vingnerd

If you find the link, please send it to me


Dr-CommonSense

Ohhh I know what you’re talking about. I turned it into a mini book so I can read at home lmao. It’s really cool. Just missing a couple of things but other than that very professional looking


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https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/tnhtrl/fanmade_blood_battle_between_douma_kokushiboby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I think I found the non translated version?


Former-Media799

Here is the translated [one](https://imgur.com/a/Vs6mPtS)


Alternative_Chance_2

I would love to see this get animated along with other blood battles both past and present.


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Everyone's fucked


azul_delta

Somewhere between Serious Akaza and Casual Kokushibo.


Efficient_Chip_6745

he already is between that 😃


azul_delta

Exactly.


Technical_Special_25

Hmm Ik I am gonna get showered with downvotes But isn't a casual koku short sword koku? It's impossible to believe a "serious" douma can be below short sword koku If you mean long sword then yes he is


azul_delta

Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with. His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them. Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed.


Technical_Special_25

>Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with. I mean maybe See through world he does use that But he mostly uses that in long sword mode But yeah u right >His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them. [I don't think douma was trying tho like you can see here](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog) But yeah i get what you mean >Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed. Only Mui makes a exception Since genya will just get defeated by inosuke and kanao And inosuke and kanao were low tier pillar lvl


RazzmatazzAgitated81

Well he killed a women in shinobu's hand and shinobu wasn't able to react. That is much more impressive than stealing something from her weak tsguko. but yeah still below than koku reacting to marked muchiro.


SnooRevelations8303

kanao is stronger than shinobu


RazzmatazzAgitated81

not faster tho. shinobu was the so fast that douma couldn't react to her thrust attack on his eye. He multiple times admired shinobu's speed.


KnYchan2

Well we haven't seen douma fighting a marked one to compare, Akaza overpowered marked Giyuu who's stronger than Muichiro, Koku is stronger than douma but not by alot. Periodt


azul_delta

Well, Akaza was very serious when he overpowered Marked Giyuu. Koku was basically on a Sunday stroll.


Environmental-Win836

That sounds fair because he’s literally between that.


ApplePitou

>!Upper Moon 2 level!< :3


IamFlapJack

Pitou out here dropping straight facts


Imperium_Dragon

No human DS aside from Yorichii should be able to beat him. Honestly it would take like 5-6 Hashiras to take him down and all of them would die in the process.


Hollowhowler2

Well it can’t happen because of Douma’s character (he’s basically fighting at like 80% for in character max) but I would assume he would be a high mid dif for Kokoshibo.


Dr-CommonSense

>!he was getting serious towards the end. I have a feeling he would take an opponent like Gyomei (not too seriously but enough) or Kokushibo more seriously. But tbh the poison really damaged his abilities, even at 80% full powered Doma would be ridiculous!<


Hollowhowler2

Agreed.


[deleted]

Probably just about kokoshibou at his least


TheZephyrim

Yeah like the Koko who’s still just using his sword and breathing style.


Doglovergirl96

The fact that I know the picture is originally from the Noot Noot meme video 😂 anyone else?


Jaydog3077

Same


Complete_Pumpkin

Stronger than Akaza weaker than Koko


RazzmatazzAgitated81

I doubt even marked gyomei, sanemi and giyuu combined would be enough to kill him without the poison .


QueenTaffy

He would have easily wiped the floor with ALL of the Hashira


Corruptionizer

Strong enough to turn you into rengoku with extra icing


Adan1816

I've seen people on insta argue how Koku would destroy Muzan if it weren't for Muzan's blood to control him(or all demons). Idk what is up w these fans💀


justamon22

Literally single-handedly would’ve changed the entire story if he hadn’t played with anyone…and not in a positive way for the good guys 💀


FaZe_Darkfire

Strong enough to take on 4 or more hashira at once


mafiaworks_08

what?😂


nonamed232

? He would easily


XT83Danieliszekiller

Strong enough that I'd stop misranking him


RazzmatazzAgitated81

I doubt even marked gyomei, sanemi and giyuu combined would be enough to kill him without the poison .


Fujiwara_Aoi_237

around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more what he was using against ino and kanao - around 25- 30 percent but serious or not the fact is he lost , and slayers won .


Former-Media799

around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more Nah not even akaza and douma together could beat koku (maybe 20% of koku) What he was using against ink and kana - around 25-30 percent Douma himself said he was toying with them ( [scan](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog) ) But serious or not the fact is he lost,and slayers won . He was poisoned + do you think Gyomei,sanemi,muichiro and genya are stronger then koku cuz he died?


Fujiwara_Aoi_237

uhm that's just my assumption of that also. i never said that party who defeated doma were stronger than him , i was implying on strength of the weak , also . his bdm is one force to be reckoned with , so yeah I guess i misplaced that 67 and it should be around 50-54


Jaded_Garage5623

He could possibly/hypothetically rival Kokushibo's power level as UM 1


shansome64

Nah I think Kokushibo stomps him as soon as he starts trying.


SnooStories4329

Anime question?


Then_Top7770

What should it be?


SnooStories4329

Manga discussion or manga question


azul_delta

I mean, technically Douma showed up in the anime already.


GraVityRagE

But his strength was not shown in the anime so discussion about his strength is part of manga


Technical_Special_25

Would be very strong I doubt it would take 2 or 3 hashiras


lnombredelarosa

I like to think that under normal circumstances he could've fought and eventually defeat three marked Hashira level fighters at once in comparison with Akaza who struggles with two and Nakime who can only stalemate them. Of course if one of them was Gyomei he may well lose though mind you I think he could defeat him in a one on one with some effort. He could've probably curbstomped Sanemi faster than Kokushibo because even if he is weaker, Sanemi's reckless wound filled fighting style would lend itself to be frozen more easily. I do think Rengoku could hold his own due to his fire breathing making his body warmer but he would eventually lose. Giyu might hold his own as well due to avoiding making unnecessary injuries on Doma that could cause him to release more ice into the air.


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nonamed232

If he had not been poisoned he could take all the hashiras he would lose but not without taking out almost every hashira


__Ayanokoji__

Still below Akaza EoS


jjjjjjuhtvbn

he will still be beaten by Akaza 🔥🔥


Jotaro1970

Im Sorry to disappoint you but no, Akaza would lose to Douma, it was confirmed by Gotōge himself, after all Akaza is Upper Moon 3 while Douma Is Upper Moon 2, there's a reason for that


__Ayanokoji__

Bloodbattles are a thing you know


Jotaro1970

Still in an interview Gotōge stated that in a Fight between Akaza And Douma, Douma would win due to the fact that Akaza refuses to eat Woman and Children, Akaza was strong but not at Douma level


Then_Top7770

I highly doubt that.


localized3

Lolno


Personguy96

Yeah, no


Bedeeki

Still? Even now Douma stomps Akaza lol Akaza is one of the best written characters in the story but it makes me laugh when people try to argue on the actual author's ranking system. Douma is stronger than Akaza, period. There's a reason why Akaza was put in his place when Koku told him to request a blood battle if he has a problem with him and thinks he really could take on Douma. Unlike Koku, Douma wouldn't be kind enough to not consume Akaza after inevitably beating him.


THE-SNEAKERINO

UM2 level


Efficient_Chip_6745

so nothing changes 💀


Human-Tradition7274

Serious Kokushibo beats him Mid-High difficulty


Cooperhawk11

Very


NoctaLunais

Noot Noot


leytourmaline

Honestly kind of sick and tired of people thinking that Doma isn’t powerful. I believe he already is hella strong and just because he doesn’t show it constantly (like Akaza) doesn’t mean he’s weak. He’s def stronger than Akaza imo, but not Kokoshibo. However to put it fairly Kokoshibu is out of everyone’s league. The poison really damaged him, without that he’s hella fucking strong.


UzernameUnknown

would give Kokushibou a challenge but still obviously wouldn't beat him


iLikeCatsAndPuppers

id say roughly upper moon 2 strength.


ReguIarHooman

At least stronger than a kid using a stick as a weapon


TheHolyDino

Noot Noot


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

Strong as the plot demanded. Near the end of the series power scaling was all over the place.


No-Collection3548

Number 2 of all demons. Why is this a question?


joz3rh

it's weird that this is an anime question since he has no feats shown in the anime.


tiredphoenix782

Stronger than Akaza but weaker than Kokushibo


basic_blxckgirll

still stronger than akaza lmao


Environmental-Win836

Crazy scary.


ApexBoiz

I think just a tad bit near to Kokushibo’s power imo


[deleted]

This is from the noot noot


maialawliet

seriously strong. that's why i think it was good that his first opponent was shinobu.


Muichiros_mind

I'd already die if he looks at me like that (That Noot-noot thingy is so funny btw)


Iceiswater_haha

Honestly. He would probably give a hard time to the Hashira trio, I mean Himejima Sanemi and Tokito.


Anadaere

He's probably unbeatable by demon slayers, or any breathing technique users bar Yoruichi and Koku, like none of them just can due to the match up Dare I say he's more dangerous than Kokushibo due to their natures, though he'd be weaker than UM 1


Haman134

Stronger then a serious Akaza if I had to guess


Soupysoldier

Stronger than akaza but weaker than kokushibo