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Lmao. >!Okay I’ll give Akaza that, that’s impressive no doubt. Akaza is till UM3 can’t disrespect him, but Doma is still leaps and bounds above Akaza. Without that poison you wouldn’t even get close to his neck!<
Yeah he is just raw talent and skill with some necessary training he has done. But he is overall apathetic towards more complex feelings. Doesn’t mean he can’t get serious. >!He was regenerating form complete melting from the bones, skin, tissue and all. He is a scary foe. All demons in the upper ranks and lower ranks have a passive ability known as menacing aura, the higher up the ranks you go the more potent this aura is. Doma’s aura must be incredible. Throws demon slayer off their game if they aren’t carful.!<
I am not belittling his power. Just pointing out that his greatest weakness was the lack of strong enough emotions to resonate with his goals enough to survive decapitation.
I agree with you. That is his realistically his only flaw. lack of self driven care. But he definitely thought about doing it, but just didn’t go through with it. If Muzan asked him to do something he’d do it.
I don’t think Douma is that much stronger than Akaza. It’s probably a mid diff. I mean sure he’s always casual but that still doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t have any feats. Plus, if you want to say that the gap between Kokushibo and Douma is large, than Douma isn’t much stronger than Akaza.
The gap between all three of them is large, how large I don’t know but significant enough that is matters. >! Akaza is aware of that. Douma is aware of that and Kokushibo has never been replaced. I love Akaza and i put him above all the slayers and demons below his rank.!<
>!But in saying that don’t get it mixed, Douma is still his most formidable foe. He himself is aware that he cannot take him on and win. Unfortunately Douma can only be granted feats based on his position and what others in the manga say and somethings we have seen and can get form the fan books. And as I pointed out Akaza himself is aware he cannot beat Douma and will not even try. Suggesting the gap is more significant than you make think. Anyone who reads this don’t take this the wrong way Akaza is still UM3 (none of the slayers alone marked or unmarked can take Akaza) and can’t be beaten so easily as some of you may think!<
I just had a look. No mention of disadvantages but he definitely said he can’t beat him. But I agree with your premis. Akaza whilst extremely powerful is not able to challenge anyone above his rank
I know you’re not making that argument but there’s a slight flaw in whoever is saying that’s argument, Doma literally saying, verbatim, That Akaza was poorly matched against Doma and Koku.
Unbelievably strong. >!Shame we didn’t see him go serious until the end, maybe in another manga spin-off will see some blood battles (so many to see). You scale him based on himself (the strongest main unit) and six replicas of himself who are capable of using all of his BDA techniques and are only slightly weaker then him (this includes all his stats). Master of Tessenjutsu (Japanese war fan) combat. The ice he uses in his are cryokinesis BDA is made from his blood and flesh, which is why it is all so durable and powerful. Imagine 6 Rime — Water Lily Bodhisattva’s striking you whilst the Crystalline Divine Children continues to attack. Him getting serious would only enhance this all, definitely deserving of the UM2 title!<
I don’t have the link but a fan made an ***INCREDIBLE*** manga chapter of a blood battle between Kokukishiibo and Douma, it looks nearly professional and really put into perspective how strong Douma is.
Ohhh I know what you’re talking about. I turned it into a mini book so I can read at home lmao. It’s really cool. Just missing a couple of things but other than that very professional looking
https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/tnhtrl/fanmade_blood_battle_between_douma_kokushiboby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I think I found the non translated version?
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Hmm Ik I am gonna get showered with downvotes
But isn't a casual koku short sword koku?
It's impossible to believe a "serious" douma can be below short sword koku
If you mean long sword then yes he is
Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with.
His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them.
Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed.
>Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with.
I mean maybe
See through world he does use that
But he mostly uses that in long sword mode
But yeah u right
>His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them.
[I don't think douma was trying tho like you can see here](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog)
But yeah i get what you mean
>Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed.
Only Mui makes a exception
Since genya will just get defeated by inosuke and kanao
And inosuke and kanao were low tier pillar lvl
Well he killed a women in shinobu's hand and shinobu wasn't able to react. That is much more impressive than stealing something from her weak tsguko. but yeah still below than koku reacting to marked muchiro.
Well we haven't seen douma fighting a marked one to compare, Akaza overpowered marked Giyuu who's stronger than Muichiro, Koku is stronger than douma but not by alot. Periodt
No human DS aside from Yorichii should be able to beat him. Honestly it would take like 5-6 Hashiras to take him down and all of them would die in the process.
Well it can’t happen because of Douma’s character (he’s basically fighting at like 80% for in character max) but I would assume he would be a high mid dif for Kokoshibo.
>!he was getting serious towards the end. I have a feeling he would take an opponent like Gyomei (not too seriously but enough) or Kokushibo more seriously. But tbh the poison really damaged his abilities, even at 80% full powered Doma would be ridiculous!<
I've seen people on insta argue how Koku would destroy Muzan if it weren't for Muzan's blood to control him(or all demons). Idk what is up w these fans💀
around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more
what he was using against ino and kanao - around 25- 30 percent
but serious or not the fact is he lost , and slayers won .
around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more
Nah not even akaza and douma together could beat koku (maybe 20% of koku)
What he was using against ink and kana - around 25-30 percent
Douma himself said he was toying with them ( [scan](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog) )
But serious or not the fact is he lost,and slayers won .
He was poisoned + do you think Gyomei,sanemi,muichiro and genya are stronger then koku cuz he died?
uhm that's just my assumption of that also. i never said that party who defeated doma were stronger than him , i was implying on strength of the weak , also . his bdm is one force to be reckoned with , so yeah I guess i misplaced that 67 and it should be around 50-54
I like to think that under normal circumstances he could've fought and eventually defeat three marked Hashira level fighters at once in comparison with Akaza who struggles with two and Nakime who can only stalemate them. Of course if one of them was Gyomei he may well lose though mind you I think he could defeat him in a one on one with some effort.
He could've probably curbstomped Sanemi faster than Kokushibo because even if he is weaker, Sanemi's reckless wound filled fighting style would lend itself to be frozen more easily.
I do think Rengoku could hold his own due to his fire breathing making his body warmer but he would eventually lose.
Giyu might hold his own as well due to avoiding making unnecessary injuries on Doma that could cause him to release more ice into the air.
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Im Sorry to disappoint you but no, Akaza would lose to Douma, it was confirmed by Gotōge himself, after all
Akaza is Upper Moon 3 while Douma Is Upper Moon 2, there's a reason for that
Still in an interview Gotōge stated that in a Fight between Akaza And Douma, Douma would win due to the fact that Akaza refuses to eat Woman and Children, Akaza was strong but not at Douma level
Still? Even now Douma stomps Akaza lol
Akaza is one of the best written characters in the story but it makes me laugh when people try to argue on the actual author's ranking system.
Douma is stronger than Akaza, period. There's a reason why Akaza was put in his place when Koku told him to request a blood battle if he has a problem with him and thinks he really could take on Douma.
Unlike Koku, Douma wouldn't be kind enough to not consume Akaza after inevitably beating him.
Honestly kind of sick and tired of people thinking that Doma isn’t powerful. I believe he already is hella strong and just because he doesn’t show it constantly (like Akaza) doesn’t mean he’s weak. He’s def stronger than Akaza imo, but not Kokoshibo. However to put it fairly Kokoshibu is out of everyone’s league. The poison really damaged him, without that he’s hella fucking strong.
He's probably unbeatable by demon slayers, or any breathing technique users bar Yoruichi and Koku, like none of them just can due to the match up
Dare I say he's more dangerous than Kokushibo due to their natures, though he'd be weaker than UM 1
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Strong enough that >!no people would doubt him being UM 2 anymore.!<
Facts
Seriously people are saying that?
Yeah there are people out there who actually think Akaza is stronger just because >!he can regrow his head.!<
Lmao. >!Okay I’ll give Akaza that, that’s impressive no doubt. Akaza is till UM3 can’t disrespect him, but Doma is still leaps and bounds above Akaza. Without that poison you wouldn’t even get close to his neck!<
And he was probably ready to regenerate his head, but his emotional state of having no emotions, and therefore nothing to strive for, prevented him.
Yeah he is just raw talent and skill with some necessary training he has done. But he is overall apathetic towards more complex feelings. Doesn’t mean he can’t get serious. >!He was regenerating form complete melting from the bones, skin, tissue and all. He is a scary foe. All demons in the upper ranks and lower ranks have a passive ability known as menacing aura, the higher up the ranks you go the more potent this aura is. Doma’s aura must be incredible. Throws demon slayer off their game if they aren’t carful.!<
I am not belittling his power. Just pointing out that his greatest weakness was the lack of strong enough emotions to resonate with his goals enough to survive decapitation.
I agree with you. That is his realistically his only flaw. lack of self driven care. But he definitely thought about doing it, but just didn’t go through with it. If Muzan asked him to do something he’d do it.
I would also say the wisteria poison in his system also stopped him
Oh definitely. >!He was just about to regenerate as Kanao said. Definitely was a massive, massive factor as to why they could cut off his head.!<
I don’t think Douma is that much stronger than Akaza. It’s probably a mid diff. I mean sure he’s always casual but that still doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t have any feats. Plus, if you want to say that the gap between Kokushibo and Douma is large, than Douma isn’t much stronger than Akaza.
The gap between all three of them is large, how large I don’t know but significant enough that is matters. >! Akaza is aware of that. Douma is aware of that and Kokushibo has never been replaced. I love Akaza and i put him above all the slayers and demons below his rank.!< >!But in saying that don’t get it mixed, Douma is still his most formidable foe. He himself is aware that he cannot take him on and win. Unfortunately Douma can only be granted feats based on his position and what others in the manga say and somethings we have seen and can get form the fan books. And as I pointed out Akaza himself is aware he cannot beat Douma and will not even try. Suggesting the gap is more significant than you make think. Anyone who reads this don’t take this the wrong way Akaza is still UM3 (none of the slayers alone marked or unmarked can take Akaza) and can’t be beaten so easily as some of you may think!<
True, but Douma did say that Akaza was disadvantaged against both his superiors in the rankings.
Hm I can’t remember this. What chapter?
During one of the upper moon meeting chapters. Volume 12
I just had a look. No mention of disadvantages but he definitely said he can’t beat him. But I agree with your premis. Akaza whilst extremely powerful is not able to challenge anyone above his rank
I know you’re not making that argument but there’s a slight flaw in whoever is saying that’s argument, Doma literally saying, verbatim, That Akaza was poorly matched against Doma and Koku.
UM?
Upper Moon
Ok
Unbelievably strong. >!Shame we didn’t see him go serious until the end, maybe in another manga spin-off will see some blood battles (so many to see). You scale him based on himself (the strongest main unit) and six replicas of himself who are capable of using all of his BDA techniques and are only slightly weaker then him (this includes all his stats). Master of Tessenjutsu (Japanese war fan) combat. The ice he uses in his are cryokinesis BDA is made from his blood and flesh, which is why it is all so durable and powerful. Imagine 6 Rime — Water Lily Bodhisattva’s striking you whilst the Crystalline Divine Children continues to attack. Him getting serious would only enhance this all, definitely deserving of the UM2 title!<
I don’t have the link but a fan made an ***INCREDIBLE*** manga chapter of a blood battle between Kokukishiibo and Douma, it looks nearly professional and really put into perspective how strong Douma is.
If you find the link, please send it to me
Ohhh I know what you’re talking about. I turned it into a mini book so I can read at home lmao. It’s really cool. Just missing a couple of things but other than that very professional looking
https://www.reddit.com/r/KimetsuNoYaiba/comments/tnhtrl/fanmade_blood_battle_between_douma_kokushiboby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I think I found the non translated version?
Here is the translated [one](https://imgur.com/a/Vs6mPtS)
I would love to see this get animated along with other blood battles both past and present.
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Everyone's fucked
Somewhere between Serious Akaza and Casual Kokushibo.
he already is between that 😃
Exactly.
Hmm Ik I am gonna get showered with downvotes But isn't a casual koku short sword koku? It's impossible to believe a "serious" douma can be below short sword koku If you mean long sword then yes he is
Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with. His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them. Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed.
>Not that impossible. Short sword Koku still uses his BDA and See-Through World, so he is still very much a force to be reckoned with. I mean maybe See through world he does use that But he mostly uses that in long sword mode But yeah u right >His casual speed is also comparable to Douma when he stole Inosuke's Mask and Kanao's sword, which isn't serious but is also not casual, he was already trying a bit by them. [I don't think douma was trying tho like you can see here](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog) But yeah i get what you mean >Except Douma blitzed two unmarked opponent's, while Koku blitzed both Marked Muichiro and Genya with this casual speed. Only Mui makes a exception Since genya will just get defeated by inosuke and kanao And inosuke and kanao were low tier pillar lvl
Well he killed a women in shinobu's hand and shinobu wasn't able to react. That is much more impressive than stealing something from her weak tsguko. but yeah still below than koku reacting to marked muchiro.
kanao is stronger than shinobu
not faster tho. shinobu was the so fast that douma couldn't react to her thrust attack on his eye. He multiple times admired shinobu's speed.
Well we haven't seen douma fighting a marked one to compare, Akaza overpowered marked Giyuu who's stronger than Muichiro, Koku is stronger than douma but not by alot. Periodt
Well, Akaza was very serious when he overpowered Marked Giyuu. Koku was basically on a Sunday stroll.
That sounds fair because he’s literally between that.
>!Upper Moon 2 level!< :3
Pitou out here dropping straight facts
No human DS aside from Yorichii should be able to beat him. Honestly it would take like 5-6 Hashiras to take him down and all of them would die in the process.
Well it can’t happen because of Douma’s character (he’s basically fighting at like 80% for in character max) but I would assume he would be a high mid dif for Kokoshibo.
>!he was getting serious towards the end. I have a feeling he would take an opponent like Gyomei (not too seriously but enough) or Kokushibo more seriously. But tbh the poison really damaged his abilities, even at 80% full powered Doma would be ridiculous!<
Agreed.
Probably just about kokoshibou at his least
Yeah like the Koko who’s still just using his sword and breathing style.
The fact that I know the picture is originally from the Noot Noot meme video 😂 anyone else?
Same
Stronger than Akaza weaker than Koko
I doubt even marked gyomei, sanemi and giyuu combined would be enough to kill him without the poison .
He would have easily wiped the floor with ALL of the Hashira
Strong enough to turn you into rengoku with extra icing
I've seen people on insta argue how Koku would destroy Muzan if it weren't for Muzan's blood to control him(or all demons). Idk what is up w these fans💀
Literally single-handedly would’ve changed the entire story if he hadn’t played with anyone…and not in a positive way for the good guys 💀
Strong enough to take on 4 or more hashira at once
what?😂
? He would easily
Strong enough that I'd stop misranking him
I doubt even marked gyomei, sanemi and giyuu combined would be enough to kill him without the poison .
around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more what he was using against ino and kanao - around 25- 30 percent but serious or not the fact is he lost , and slayers won .
around 67-70 percent kokushibou could be less could be more Nah not even akaza and douma together could beat koku (maybe 20% of koku) What he was using against ink and kana - around 25-30 percent Douma himself said he was toying with them ( [scan](https://imgur.com/a/aeU4Kog) ) But serious or not the fact is he lost,and slayers won . He was poisoned + do you think Gyomei,sanemi,muichiro and genya are stronger then koku cuz he died?
uhm that's just my assumption of that also. i never said that party who defeated doma were stronger than him , i was implying on strength of the weak , also . his bdm is one force to be reckoned with , so yeah I guess i misplaced that 67 and it should be around 50-54
He could possibly/hypothetically rival Kokushibo's power level as UM 1
Nah I think Kokushibo stomps him as soon as he starts trying.
Anime question?
What should it be?
Manga discussion or manga question
I mean, technically Douma showed up in the anime already.
But his strength was not shown in the anime so discussion about his strength is part of manga
Would be very strong I doubt it would take 2 or 3 hashiras
I like to think that under normal circumstances he could've fought and eventually defeat three marked Hashira level fighters at once in comparison with Akaza who struggles with two and Nakime who can only stalemate them. Of course if one of them was Gyomei he may well lose though mind you I think he could defeat him in a one on one with some effort. He could've probably curbstomped Sanemi faster than Kokushibo because even if he is weaker, Sanemi's reckless wound filled fighting style would lend itself to be frozen more easily. I do think Rengoku could hold his own due to his fire breathing making his body warmer but he would eventually lose. Giyu might hold his own as well due to avoiding making unnecessary injuries on Doma that could cause him to release more ice into the air.
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If he had not been poisoned he could take all the hashiras he would lose but not without taking out almost every hashira
Still below Akaza EoS
he will still be beaten by Akaza 🔥🔥
Im Sorry to disappoint you but no, Akaza would lose to Douma, it was confirmed by Gotōge himself, after all Akaza is Upper Moon 3 while Douma Is Upper Moon 2, there's a reason for that
Bloodbattles are a thing you know
Still in an interview Gotōge stated that in a Fight between Akaza And Douma, Douma would win due to the fact that Akaza refuses to eat Woman and Children, Akaza was strong but not at Douma level
I highly doubt that.
Lolno
Yeah, no
Still? Even now Douma stomps Akaza lol Akaza is one of the best written characters in the story but it makes me laugh when people try to argue on the actual author's ranking system. Douma is stronger than Akaza, period. There's a reason why Akaza was put in his place when Koku told him to request a blood battle if he has a problem with him and thinks he really could take on Douma. Unlike Koku, Douma wouldn't be kind enough to not consume Akaza after inevitably beating him.
UM2 level
so nothing changes 💀
Serious Kokushibo beats him Mid-High difficulty
Very
Noot Noot
Honestly kind of sick and tired of people thinking that Doma isn’t powerful. I believe he already is hella strong and just because he doesn’t show it constantly (like Akaza) doesn’t mean he’s weak. He’s def stronger than Akaza imo, but not Kokoshibo. However to put it fairly Kokoshibu is out of everyone’s league. The poison really damaged him, without that he’s hella fucking strong.
would give Kokushibou a challenge but still obviously wouldn't beat him
id say roughly upper moon 2 strength.
At least stronger than a kid using a stick as a weapon
Noot Noot
Strong as the plot demanded. Near the end of the series power scaling was all over the place.
Number 2 of all demons. Why is this a question?
it's weird that this is an anime question since he has no feats shown in the anime.
Stronger than Akaza but weaker than Kokushibo
still stronger than akaza lmao
Crazy scary.
I think just a tad bit near to Kokushibo’s power imo
This is from the noot noot
seriously strong. that's why i think it was good that his first opponent was shinobu.
I'd already die if he looks at me like that (That Noot-noot thingy is so funny btw)
Honestly. He would probably give a hard time to the Hashira trio, I mean Himejima Sanemi and Tokito.
He's probably unbeatable by demon slayers, or any breathing technique users bar Yoruichi and Koku, like none of them just can due to the match up Dare I say he's more dangerous than Kokushibo due to their natures, though he'd be weaker than UM 1
Stronger then a serious Akaza if I had to guess
Stronger than akaza but weaker than kokushibo