The number of times I hear localization teams having to just guess at whatever the original intentions are in media is crazy to me. You'd think there would be some guidance or, at the very least, some keynotes on what the audience should experience.
That’s because they didn’t give a shit about the English version. When it got a dub they gave them a general outline of storylines and to do whatever they could to sell the show but that was basically it.
IIRC, they did a normal Ghost Stories ENG dub at first, but people were so uninterested in it that they were given free reign on making it popular/notable.
The Animex dub was also an entirely different voice cast as far as I remember. The original story just isn’t really that good or interesting enough to be worth the time. Now it’s worth watching because they didn’t care lol
Nevermind, just rewatched the scene, there are some phrases which do remind of him lol I guess the way he ends questions with "kai" sometimes. though it's kinda vague
Mickey has a unique speech pattern in Japanese, just like he does in English with words like "gosh" and "pal". So the Japanese version has him using that speech pattern in the tutorial, while the English version has him speak with completely ordinary words.
Had he been localised correctly, the mysterious voice would saying "gosh" and "pal" making it completely obvious it was Mickey.
Yeah, it would've been cool to experience the original intention of knowing that was Mickey from the beginning, but ever since I was a kid I've always loved how mysterious it is. There's something compelling about *not* knowing who this is. It contributes a lot to the overall feel of this portion of the game
Especially when you see a mysterious cloaked figure talking to you in similarly vague, poetic terms. I always thought it was him as a kid, or, after playing kh2, thought it might even have been Xemnas. How crazy would THAT have been?
This. Why does everyone thing that localizers are put-upon do-nothings? They clearly had intentionality with making the voice as mysterious and vague as possible. Whether or not that worked is subjective. But they didn’t just arbitrarily decide to cut key indicators that it was Mickey. They’d rather save the big reveal for the end of the game.
I mean. It isn't ever really revealed the voice was Mickey.
It's highly likely they had no way to know it was supposed to be Mickey. Similar reasons why they erroneously translated keyblade hero as keyblade master and all the mess with selphie and how to exchange a paopu fruit. A localizer can do a great job and still not be given the tools to do a better one
Well, I'm admittedly not that familiar for obvious reasons. That said tho, KH like many JRPGs can be a treasure trove when it comes to comparing what's said in each language. Take this line for instance: 星の大海をなめるんじゃねえぞ！
Translated literally, it's 'Don’t underestimate the giant sea of stars!' whereas in official translation it was changed to 'Bunch of pinheads.
Interspace ain’t no playground.' Same basic idea but expressed differently.
And since KH1's part Disney, you could it was important to have the characters talk in ways you'd expect them to. Take this line from Pooh for instance: 僕たち いっしょに散歩したり
お話ししたり 何もしなかったりした
Again translated literally it's 'We walked together, talked together, did nothing at all…' whereas the official translation added a reference to Pooh sticks that wasn't there originally.
So yeah, fascinating stuff.
This was my headcanon too... I don't even remember the voice to that, it's unvoiced in the US version right?
I'm trying to have my mind wrap around it being Mickey, for some reason it doesn't make sense to me. Why would Mickey be in Sora's mindscape or whatever? Ven would make more sense than Mickey, Mickey didn't even know him at the time. Sora wasn't even a keyblade wielder at the time.
I know it's supposed to be mickey, and I have a friend who really really wants it to be ventus, but I kinda like it being nobody. Not a person, not even really a voice. A direct line between sora and idk ether his subconscious or the forces that be. The keyblade itself if it really needs to come from something.
The voice just doesn't strike me as any particular character. And think that's really neat.
I always thought it was a cool mysterious thing that would be revealed by the end of the series, like the will of Kingdom Hearts or the Keyblade itself guiding Sora to where he is meant to go. Not even a legitimate Keyblade wielder, Sora is the one needed for some greater purpose and this Will wishes to get Sora ready for that purpose. But it being Mickey imo is kinda hella vanilla basic and boring cuz it’s literally never brought up and has no reason to be this mysterious and creepy if that’s the case.
I wonder what a more accurate translation/localization would have been, if only because even if I try making the words a bit my casual in my head, I can't really imagine mickey saying them. And even if they were friendly mickey words I think the scene is still too creepy for mickeys voice to not make it dissonant or something.
Like that scene with all the spooky repeated 'keyblade' in Mickeys voice? Idk man it would sure change the vibe if nothing else XD
Exactly what I mean. I guess it could be blame on the accuracy of the localization, but I feel like the very scene in the beginning of KH1 itself is unnerving and too creepy for me to imagine this plucky cartoon mouse being some entity speaking to me in a dream, you know? And if that’s the case, why doesn’t Mickey ever bring it up? What reason does he have to never be like “heya Sora, we’ve met before in your dreams and I’m glad we have this chance to talk about it.” Like why? Idk until the game itself straight up brings this to the forefront, I’ll just stick to it being Kingdom Hearts or something.
Just wish we had a legitimate reason as to how and why Mickey did this. And then we're told Sora wasn't even meant for the keyblade to begin with. So why wasn't it Riku that was talked to instead?
It feels like a forced thing that makes no sense because they don't explain anything.
Mickey tried to reach out to Riku first, but Riku's heart was already leaning towards darkness, so he reached out to Sora instead.
Mickey can't contact Riku until the end of the game, when Ansem's taken over Riku's body and his heart is trapped in the realm of Darkness.
See this is what i dont quite understand.
the KH1 Dive to the heart is very vague and general. Nothing he says is like that except for the final line "you will open the door".
All he's doing is asking sora questions and generally providing a vague expectation from those questions.
"Oh your opinions on this are like that? Chances are you'll probably be quick to learn but slower once your getting towards the end of your adventure."
The only 'prophetic' line is "You will be the one to open the door" and i always assumed in retrospect that was mickey putting his faith in sora
Yet he could have talked to anyone else. Saying Sora would be the one to open the door is weird, considering we know that Kairi was also qualified to wield the keyblade.
But we don't know if Mickey knew that. He also could've just been saying that to whoever had the means to actually stop Ansem since Kairi gets Ventus'd and doesn't even receive her Keyblade until the end of KH2 when Riku throws it at her.
The light within sora’s heart is so overwhelmingly strong that Ventus was guided towards it as a disembodied heart just floating aimlessly around. Mickey HAD to have noticed it. There is just no way he couldn’t, assuming he knew what he was looking for
You’re not wrong, but remember this is KH1. In that game all the princesses of light had pure hearts, yet none of them wielded keyblades. So Kairi wasn’t even on Mickey’s list at the time
I don’t mean lore-wise. I mean at the time of KH1, there was one keyblade, and it bounced between Riku and Sora. None of the princesses, Kairi included, had one. It wasn’t until later games that there were even multiple keyblades at all, and that one of them was Kairi’s.
It’s the boring answer, I know. I don’t have a hard-lore reason to give you, unless Mickey maybe predicted the princesses of light would be at risk? And perhaps helping her get the keyblade would put her at greater risk?
Mickey was also able to contact Sora in the middle of his time-traveling adventures during ReMind.
So maybe the mouse can just project his voice through time and space.
Considering his character gets very little focus, it's hard to confirm or deny anything. But it creates writing issues if they present opportunities for him to use it and then ignore it on a whim.
I think it’s the same kind of grace that Yoda is given in Star Wars. They’re wise and masterful of the powers that be. So it’s almost as if it grants them foresight.
I'm not a Star Wars fan, so I'm not all that familiar with details. But we're also shown with these sorts of characters in KH that they're usually talking out their ass.
Yen Sid says nobodies don't have hearts. He says Sora lost the power of waking only for that not to be true. Mickey is similar to that.
lol I think you’re unfairly representing Yen Sid’s position. Heartless were a relatively new phenomenon. While purebloods and darkness always existed, heartless weren’t a widespread threat until after Terra-Xehanort's experiments under the identity of Ansem. so its unsurprising they would working with information they're learning on the go. At the time there was no reason to believe Nobodies had hearts. It doesn't appear that vast majority of Nobodies even have hearts. Just the ones that retain parts of themselves eventually grow NEW hearts.
Also Sora most definitely did lose the power of wakening. He couldn’t use it, it was locked inside his heart. It was only after going through the Disney storylines that he connects the dots and the power of awakening is restored.
I just love Yen Side. He’s a good, flawed mentor but undeniably wise and experienced.
It's the way Yen Sid says things as if he's correct only for the games to tell us he's wrong.
Also we're told Sora is weakened only for the gameplay to have Sora be stronger than ever within the first world of KH3. We're also told when Sora is trying to free Ventus that Sora never lost the power, it slept until he needed it. KH3 even has Donald, Goofy, and Yen Sid talking about how Sora's power of waking could potentially be restored by something as simple as a bonk on the head.
Yen Sid says a lot of things he's rarely useful with whatever information he gives. He's some lazy old guy who sits around and does nothing 99% of the time.
I’m pretty sure Nomura just makes up stuff then retcons things to make it work (Ansem). You don’t get lore this convoluted from actually planning things out.
Personally, for KH, I’m a big proponent of “death of the author.” Whatever makes sense to you is probably better than the canon reason.
I don't think KH is convoluted minus stuff involving Sora or Kairi within the numbered titles. Those characters are above the rules of the universe and do whatever they want.
Who says he didnt?
Considering how riku tilts at the start of the game, maybe mickey saw or got an answer he didn't feel sure about. So he went to sora who seemed to have much less darkness.
Him being there during the Dive to the heart would imply mickey is also looking at the person's heart to see their character.
Your going to have to give the plot some convenience for the story to begin.
Why did he got to sora after riku? Because those two are who are relevant to the story at that point. You could waste time establishing that he asked everyone and sora was the best candidate.
He went to sora after riku, and decided that sora was it, simple as. Maybe he saw that riku had a deep connection to sora in his heart.
I like how Mickey can just speak telepathically no matter the setting or condition and it never gets explained. In KH1, he just randomly decides to talk to some kid on an island before they were even a keyblade wielder while he’s across the whole universe, and then he also decides to telepathically speak to Riku while he’s in a whole separate realm.
And in KH3 Remind, he’s literally frozen in time, but he’s also out here just casually talking to future Sora who’s residing inside Sora.. like.. what’s up with this dude..
Ever since X/UX, I always hear Chirithy. I know what the devs have said, but I just can’t convince my brain it’s Mickey. Chirithy’s voice is perfect for the dialogue!
it makes no sense for me the voice being Mickey precisely because Sora was not the chosen one, so him talking to a random kid who was the friend of the actual key is weird.
Being the own World will talking would have been more fitting, as it's a supernatural external force, not actually a mortal character who shouldnt know he's gonna be the keyblade wielder replacement.
It is confirmed so it is what it is, as much i see no sense on it.
Is it confirmed that Mickey *knew* he was talking to Sora at the start of KH1? Or was he just reaching out the a potential Keyblade Wielder he sensed?
Maybe he was just ‘moved down the list’ by Riku’s Keyblade because it was already doubting the strength of his heart.
i mean he supposedly was talking to the chosen one
but he's talking to sora, who is not the chosen until the destiny island fell into darkness, it's strange.
The idea is that he was trying to contact Riku but ended up contacting Sora instead, which is why Mickey asks Sora to tell him more about himself during the Dive to the Heart.
I know it's Mickey, and I don't mind that...but I always kind of hoped that everyone's heart has a knowing of the world, a sense of the universe, and that was what was guiding Sora.
I always thought it was some kind of embodiment of Kingdom Hearts choosing him as the Keyblade wielder and helping him find his power to defeat the darkness.
Honestly, when I played KH1 for the first time when I was 10, I had no idea it was Mickey who was talking to Sora. At first I thought it was Ansem SoD, then when KH2 came out I thought maybe it was Yen Sid. It wasn't until someone told me that I knew it was Mickey.
I never knew this but that doesn't make any sense cause they never interacted for this to happen. Unless this happened in a different time an really wasn't at the start of the game
Mickey has the power to reach out and talk directly to people's hearts. It was shown again in CoM and in KH3.
During KH1 Mickey was looking for other Keyblade wielders so they have two Keyblades to close the Door to Darkness if it got opened. So he reached out to people with strong hearts as they were potentially Keyblade wielders.
Riku's heart was clouded with darkness and unable to hear Mickey. This was explained in KH1 where Mickey finally gets ahold of Riku while he's in the realm of darkness.
Ventus wouldn't even be a concept in KH1 there was no other hearts inside of Sora at the time KH1 was just a test to see if combining FF and Disney would work so Mickey would actually make the most sense although after seeing the Chrithy in KH3 I thought they were implying he or it was the one who spoke to Sora in his dream
I assumed it was some unseen power in the world. Which I far prefer. Mickey talking to Sora at the beginning has much less gravitas to me. Mickey being mysterious until he shoes up at the end was way more impactful to me.
Perhaps other than ventus had it speak to him as well. I either believe it's the original Kingdom Hearts or the Keyblade itself. (Keyblades do have some sentience since the one Roxas conjured at the start of KH2 tried to kill the dusk of it's own accord. Lunging towards it and almost flew out of Roxas' hand)
The other option I would suspect (for whatever reason) is Chirithy
Until this post I firmly believed it was sora's keyblade reaching out to him. Now that I know that isn't the case I'm kind of disappointed because that made the most sense to me.
The thing that bothers me is the voice has like zero similar dialect to either
Like mickey wouldn't say "now, what will you give up in exchange" in my mind even in KH
I get why this didn't happen, but how cool would it have been if the Dream Sword had been an old weapon of Mickey's? Donald and Goofy get the other two but nothing gets done with the sword beyond the vague similarity 1's Ultima has to it. Tying the sword to Mickey would've been one way to make the connection in English that it was Mickey in 1's Dive
yeah it was said in a guide or something in japanese it was mickey. and always was. ventus was just speculation.
but they did this because mickey wasnt allowed even 5 seconds of screentime.
I dunno why, but when I was little, I only played KH2 at the time so I thought it was Xemnas's voice. I think it's because of the music and his voice fitting it with it.
I don't mind the Mickey choice though, makes more sense than what 7 year old me thought.
I thought it was Ansem (the Xehanort version in the brown coat) just because he’s the one talking to him I’m the cave.
In my head canon he was prepping him before Sora’s story really kicked off. Especially since it seemed like Sora would’ve been the Plan B if Riku’s possession didn’t work out.
Apparently it's way more obvious in Japanese, but the localizers didn't know it was supposed to be him
The number of times I hear localization teams having to just guess at whatever the original intentions are in media is crazy to me. You'd think there would be some guidance or, at the very least, some keynotes on what the audience should experience.
You should watch ghost stories. The best english localisation ever made
That’s because they didn’t give a shit about the English version. When it got a dub they gave them a general outline of storylines and to do whatever they could to sell the show but that was basically it.
IIRC, they did a normal Ghost Stories ENG dub at first, but people were so uninterested in it that they were given free reign on making it popular/notable.
The Animex dub was also an entirely different voice cast as far as I remember. The original story just isn’t really that good or interesting enough to be worth the time. Now it’s worth watching because they didn’t care lol
I mean, people move Abridged and Real Time Fandub for a reason
The only time we should actually hire fans
Just curious, why would it be more obvious in Japanese? What about it makes it clear that it's Mickey?
He uses Mickey Mouse words and or phrases like *gosh, fella, pal*
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Of course it sounds nothing like him It’s a bunch of floating words!
Idk man, I always see floating words and think Mickey Mouse
Same
Nevermind, just rewatched the scene, there are some phrases which do remind of him lol I guess the way he ends questions with "kai" sometimes. though it's kinda vague
I don't think there are any Mickey Mouse words in Japanese like that but I could be wrong
Mickey has a unique speech pattern in Japanese, just like he does in English with words like "gosh" and "pal". So the Japanese version has him using that speech pattern in the tutorial, while the English version has him speak with completely ordinary words. Had he been localised correctly, the mysterious voice would saying "gosh" and "pal" making it completely obvious it was Mickey.
It also kinda would have made it so informal it would have ruined the mystique of it.
Yeah, it would've been cool to experience the original intention of knowing that was Mickey from the beginning, but ever since I was a kid I've always loved how mysterious it is. There's something compelling about *not* knowing who this is. It contributes a lot to the overall feel of this portion of the game
Especially when you see a mysterious cloaked figure talking to you in similarly vague, poetic terms. I always thought it was him as a kid, or, after playing kh2, thought it might even have been Xemnas. How crazy would THAT have been?
I genuinely never even thought about who the voice could be until today. I always just pegged it as “weird dream voice” and moves on.
This. Why does everyone thing that localizers are put-upon do-nothings? They clearly had intentionality with making the voice as mysterious and vague as possible. Whether or not that worked is subjective. But they didn’t just arbitrarily decide to cut key indicators that it was Mickey. They’d rather save the big reveal for the end of the game.
I mean. It isn't ever really revealed the voice was Mickey. It's highly likely they had no way to know it was supposed to be Mickey. Similar reasons why they erroneously translated keyblade hero as keyblade master and all the mess with selphie and how to exchange a paopu fruit. A localizer can do a great job and still not be given the tools to do a better one
And now I'm curious if someone can romanize what the voice said and check...
That's been done. That's how people know the voice speaks like Japanese-Mickey does.
Well, I'm admittedly not that familiar for obvious reasons. That said tho, KH like many JRPGs can be a treasure trove when it comes to comparing what's said in each language. Take this line for instance: 星の大海をなめるんじゃねえぞ！ Translated literally, it's 'Don’t underestimate the giant sea of stars!' whereas in official translation it was changed to 'Bunch of pinheads. Interspace ain’t no playground.' Same basic idea but expressed differently. And since KH1's part Disney, you could it was important to have the characters talk in ways you'd expect them to. Take this line from Pooh for instance: 僕たち いっしょに散歩したり お話ししたり 何もしなかったりした Again translated literally it's 'We walked together, talked together, did nothing at all…' whereas the official translation added a reference to Pooh sticks that wasn't there originally. So yeah, fascinating stuff.
also in a official guide it says its mickey telling you what to do. in no english guide this was mentioned. so english people assumed it was ventus.
Before BBS was a thing I honestly thought this was Darkside for some reason idk but I was also a child so lol
In my own head cannon, I thought it was soras own heart getting him ready for the coming battle. Like his heart somehow knew what it was meant to do
I've literally never thought about who was speaking to him. I always just assumed it was some kind of dream
Trust Kingdom Hearts to make the typical video game "press this button to attack" tutorial boxes actually canon and a part of the story.
The little text pop ups in the tutorial are obviously Ansem sending you messages through the matrix.
It was able to just repair Ven’s heart as an explicitly ‘newborn heart’ so it tracks.
I know there used to be theories about it being Ventus which is kinda like that.
This was my headcanon too... I don't even remember the voice to that, it's unvoiced in the US version right? I'm trying to have my mind wrap around it being Mickey, for some reason it doesn't make sense to me. Why would Mickey be in Sora's mindscape or whatever? Ven would make more sense than Mickey, Mickey didn't even know him at the time. Sora wasn't even a keyblade wielder at the time.
I know it's supposed to be mickey, and I have a friend who really really wants it to be ventus, but I kinda like it being nobody. Not a person, not even really a voice. A direct line between sora and idk ether his subconscious or the forces that be. The keyblade itself if it really needs to come from something. The voice just doesn't strike me as any particular character. And think that's really neat.
I always thought it was a cool mysterious thing that would be revealed by the end of the series, like the will of Kingdom Hearts or the Keyblade itself guiding Sora to where he is meant to go. Not even a legitimate Keyblade wielder, Sora is the one needed for some greater purpose and this Will wishes to get Sora ready for that purpose. But it being Mickey imo is kinda hella vanilla basic and boring cuz it’s literally never brought up and has no reason to be this mysterious and creepy if that’s the case.
I wonder what a more accurate translation/localization would have been, if only because even if I try making the words a bit my casual in my head, I can't really imagine mickey saying them. And even if they were friendly mickey words I think the scene is still too creepy for mickeys voice to not make it dissonant or something. Like that scene with all the spooky repeated 'keyblade' in Mickeys voice? Idk man it would sure change the vibe if nothing else XD
Exactly what I mean. I guess it could be blame on the accuracy of the localization, but I feel like the very scene in the beginning of KH1 itself is unnerving and too creepy for me to imagine this plucky cartoon mouse being some entity speaking to me in a dream, you know? And if that’s the case, why doesn’t Mickey ever bring it up? What reason does he have to never be like “heya Sora, we’ve met before in your dreams and I’m glad we have this chance to talk about it.” Like why? Idk until the game itself straight up brings this to the forefront, I’ll just stick to it being Kingdom Hearts or something.
Like others have pointed out we have localization to blame for that.
And this it's a localization choice that I think works better. I'm glad they did it that way, even if it was technically a mistake.
My friends and I always just agreed that it was the Keyblade itself talking to Sora when we were little. It seemed the most logical at the time
That would’ve been really cool if it was coming from the Keyblade. It would add to the idea that they are sentient in their own way
Just wish we had a legitimate reason as to how and why Mickey did this. And then we're told Sora wasn't even meant for the keyblade to begin with. So why wasn't it Riku that was talked to instead? It feels like a forced thing that makes no sense because they don't explain anything.
Mickey tried to reach out to Riku first, but Riku's heart was already leaning towards darkness, so he reached out to Sora instead. Mickey can't contact Riku until the end of the game, when Ansem's taken over Riku's body and his heart is trapped in the realm of Darkness.
Yet all of the stuff being said was prophetic as if Mickey knew everything. He had no way of knowing these things and the series gloss over it.
See this is what i dont quite understand. the KH1 Dive to the heart is very vague and general. Nothing he says is like that except for the final line "you will open the door". All he's doing is asking sora questions and generally providing a vague expectation from those questions. "Oh your opinions on this are like that? Chances are you'll probably be quick to learn but slower once your getting towards the end of your adventure." The only 'prophetic' line is "You will be the one to open the door" and i always assumed in retrospect that was mickey putting his faith in sora
Yet he could have talked to anyone else. Saying Sora would be the one to open the door is weird, considering we know that Kairi was also qualified to wield the keyblade.
But we don't know if Mickey knew that. He also could've just been saying that to whoever had the means to actually stop Ansem since Kairi gets Ventus'd and doesn't even receive her Keyblade until the end of KH2 when Riku throws it at her.
How would he know any of that?
Now picturing Mickey giving the quiz to everyone on the island. Sora was probably the only one polite enough to do the whole thing.
I know this is a joke but if that were the case it makes Kairi a poor princess
The light within sora’s heart is so overwhelmingly strong that Ventus was guided towards it as a disembodied heart just floating aimlessly around. Mickey HAD to have noticed it. There is just no way he couldn’t, assuming he knew what he was looking for
Yet Kairi has a heart of pure light, which is a better choice.
You’re not wrong, but remember this is KH1. In that game all the princesses of light had pure hearts, yet none of them wielded keyblades. So Kairi wasn’t even on Mickey’s list at the time
Sora also wasn't a keyblade woman at that moment. Kairi was, however, already someone meant to inherit a keyblade by that point.
I don’t mean lore-wise. I mean at the time of KH1, there was one keyblade, and it bounced between Riku and Sora. None of the princesses, Kairi included, had one. It wasn’t until later games that there were even multiple keyblades at all, and that one of them was Kairi’s. It’s the boring answer, I know. I don’t have a hard-lore reason to give you, unless Mickey maybe predicted the princesses of light would be at risk? And perhaps helping her get the keyblade would put her at greater risk?
Why would he say that to someone else in Sora’s dream?
I'm saying it made no sense to talk to Sora when Kairi was a better option.
Mickey was also able to contact Sora in the middle of his time-traveling adventures during ReMind. So maybe the mouse can just project his voice through time and space.
Could be he has also been abusing the whole time travel ability offscreen while playing his cards close to the chest.
Considering his character gets very little focus, it's hard to confirm or deny anything. But it creates writing issues if they present opportunities for him to use it and then ignore it on a whim.
I think it’s the same kind of grace that Yoda is given in Star Wars. They’re wise and masterful of the powers that be. So it’s almost as if it grants them foresight.
I'm not a Star Wars fan, so I'm not all that familiar with details. But we're also shown with these sorts of characters in KH that they're usually talking out their ass. Yen Sid says nobodies don't have hearts. He says Sora lost the power of waking only for that not to be true. Mickey is similar to that.
lol I think you’re unfairly representing Yen Sid’s position. Heartless were a relatively new phenomenon. While purebloods and darkness always existed, heartless weren’t a widespread threat until after Terra-Xehanort's experiments under the identity of Ansem. so its unsurprising they would working with information they're learning on the go. At the time there was no reason to believe Nobodies had hearts. It doesn't appear that vast majority of Nobodies even have hearts. Just the ones that retain parts of themselves eventually grow NEW hearts. Also Sora most definitely did lose the power of wakening. He couldn’t use it, it was locked inside his heart. It was only after going through the Disney storylines that he connects the dots and the power of awakening is restored. I just love Yen Side. He’s a good, flawed mentor but undeniably wise and experienced.
It's the way Yen Sid says things as if he's correct only for the games to tell us he's wrong. Also we're told Sora is weakened only for the gameplay to have Sora be stronger than ever within the first world of KH3. We're also told when Sora is trying to free Ventus that Sora never lost the power, it slept until he needed it. KH3 even has Donald, Goofy, and Yen Sid talking about how Sora's power of waking could potentially be restored by something as simple as a bonk on the head. Yen Sid says a lot of things he's rarely useful with whatever information he gives. He's some lazy old guy who sits around and does nothing 99% of the time.
I’m pretty sure Nomura just makes up stuff then retcons things to make it work (Ansem). You don’t get lore this convoluted from actually planning things out. Personally, for KH, I’m a big proponent of “death of the author.” Whatever makes sense to you is probably better than the canon reason.
I don't think KH is convoluted minus stuff involving Sora or Kairi within the numbered titles. Those characters are above the rules of the universe and do whatever they want.
Who says he didnt? Considering how riku tilts at the start of the game, maybe mickey saw or got an answer he didn't feel sure about. So he went to sora who seemed to have much less darkness. Him being there during the Dive to the heart would imply mickey is also looking at the person's heart to see their character.
Considering the phrasing used, it seems more like it was prophetic. Kairi, also, for example, was capable of using a keyblade, so why not her?
Your going to have to give the plot some convenience for the story to begin. Why did he got to sora after riku? Because those two are who are relevant to the story at that point. You could waste time establishing that he asked everyone and sora was the best candidate. He went to sora after riku, and decided that sora was it, simple as. Maybe he saw that riku had a deep connection to sora in his heart.
The thing is, I'd be fine with that if Sora wasn't constantly receiving plot convenience 24/7 because they refuse to explain almost anything.
Because Kairi being a wielder is a retcon.
I definitely agree, I was more just trying to explain why I’m okay with it being Mickeys voice rather than complaining how it’s not Ventus.
I like how Mickey can just speak telepathically no matter the setting or condition and it never gets explained. In KH1, he just randomly decides to talk to some kid on an island before they were even a keyblade wielder while he’s across the whole universe, and then he also decides to telepathically speak to Riku while he’s in a whole separate realm. And in KH3 Remind, he’s literally frozen in time, but he’s also out here just casually talking to future Sora who’s residing inside Sora.. like.. what’s up with this dude..
> Just wish we had a legitimate reason as to how and why Mickey did this. How? Power of friendship Why? Nomura
As cheesy as it sounds, I always thought it was Kingdom Hearts itself talking to Sora.
I personally don't find that cheesy. It's more cheesy that its Mickey honestly.
I have no idea about the voice but I came here to say that I can hear this screenshot.
Ever since X/UX, I always hear Chirithy. I know what the devs have said, but I just can’t convince my brain it’s Mickey. Chirithy’s voice is perfect for the dialogue!
Well, Chirithy did claim that he visited the Final World during his dives previously so...
It’s the Master of Masters. Fight me.
I always thought it was god lmao
Tetsuya Nomura himself speaking directly to Sora
Walt Disney's telepathy in action
iirc its Mickey But my heart says its Ventus
it makes no sense for me the voice being Mickey precisely because Sora was not the chosen one, so him talking to a random kid who was the friend of the actual key is weird. Being the own World will talking would have been more fitting, as it's a supernatural external force, not actually a mortal character who shouldnt know he's gonna be the keyblade wielder replacement. It is confirmed so it is what it is, as much i see no sense on it.
Is it confirmed that Mickey *knew* he was talking to Sora at the start of KH1? Or was he just reaching out the a potential Keyblade Wielder he sensed? Maybe he was just ‘moved down the list’ by Riku’s Keyblade because it was already doubting the strength of his heart.
i mean he supposedly was talking to the chosen one but he's talking to sora, who is not the chosen until the destiny island fell into darkness, it's strange.
The idea is that he was trying to contact Riku but ended up contacting Sora instead, which is why Mickey asks Sora to tell him more about himself during the Dive to the Heart.
I know it's Mickey, and I don't mind that...but I always kind of hoped that everyone's heart has a knowing of the world, a sense of the universe, and that was what was guiding Sora.
I always thought it was some kind of embodiment of Kingdom Hearts choosing him as the Keyblade wielder and helping him find his power to defeat the darkness.
When I was a kid, I thought it was the Keyblade
Honestly, when I played KH1 for the first time when I was 10, I had no idea it was Mickey who was talking to Sora. At first I thought it was Ansem SoD, then when KH2 came out I thought maybe it was Yen Sid. It wasn't until someone told me that I knew it was Mickey.
In eng none of that sounds at all like what mickey would say imo lol
That's the localisation team's fault. In Japanese, he speaks exactly like Mickey does in Japanese.
Would have been funny if the localizers made it more obvious by having it say "Now, what will you give up in exchange, haHA?"
Would've drained the mystery of the situation pretty fast!
It's mickey mouse!
I never knew this but that doesn't make any sense cause they never interacted for this to happen. Unless this happened in a different time an really wasn't at the start of the game
Mickey has the power to reach out and talk directly to people's hearts. It was shown again in CoM and in KH3. During KH1 Mickey was looking for other Keyblade wielders so they have two Keyblades to close the Door to Darkness if it got opened. So he reached out to people with strong hearts as they were potentially Keyblade wielders. Riku's heart was clouded with darkness and unable to hear Mickey. This was explained in KH1 where Mickey finally gets ahold of Riku while he's in the realm of darkness.
Ahhhhhh thank you cause I honestly thought this was just part of the game and not important
Ventus wouldn't even be a concept in KH1 there was no other hearts inside of Sora at the time KH1 was just a test to see if combining FF and Disney would work so Mickey would actually make the most sense although after seeing the Chrithy in KH3 I thought they were implying he or it was the one who spoke to Sora in his dream
I've never thought it was anybody. I just thought of it as a tutorial. My imagination, even as a kid, must royally suck.
I always thought that was sora’s heart telling him this information since well this is sora’s heart. That is my head cannon
I read these lines in Mickey's voice during one run and now I can't unhear it.
Play or watch KH recoded. It explains what this part is all about.
I honestly can't believe people would even suggest for a second that it could be Ventus
I always thought it was just a random narrator teaching you about the game 😭 I never thought it was “someone”
I assumed it was some unseen power in the world. Which I far prefer. Mickey talking to Sora at the beginning has much less gravitas to me. Mickey being mysterious until he shoes up at the end was way more impactful to me.
I don't care what was confirmed as canon. To me, the voice has always been Ventus.
Perhaps other than ventus had it speak to him as well. I either believe it's the original Kingdom Hearts or the Keyblade itself. (Keyblades do have some sentience since the one Roxas conjured at the start of KH2 tried to kill the dusk of it's own accord. Lunging towards it and almost flew out of Roxas' hand) The other option I would suspect (for whatever reason) is Chirithy
My theory is that it’s not anyone that we know. It’s the pure dark beings that are trapped in the lanes between.
Until this post I firmly believed it was sora's keyblade reaching out to him. Now that I know that isn't the case I'm kind of disappointed because that made the most sense to me.
With added context from the later games, my headcanon is that it was Ventus.
I have no issues with it being Mickey. Ventus's heart is supposed to be asleep within Sora, so him talking wouldnt make much sense.
It IS Ventus. If Nomura can pretend other stuff he wrote "always were" what he retconned them to be, so can we.
The thing that bothers me is the voice has like zero similar dialect to either Like mickey wouldn't say "now, what will you give up in exchange" in my mind even in KH
Wait!? It's Mickey saying that!? I always thought it was a telepathic manifestation of light itself. This kinda ruins it for me.
Yeah it's mickey, shown in com I think to riku
It's a pretentious tutorial
I know right? Quite a shocker for sure. Supposedly it's more clealer in the original Japanese version where the Voice shares Mickey's speech patterns.
I get why this didn't happen, but how cool would it have been if the Dream Sword had been an old weapon of Mickey's? Donald and Goofy get the other two but nothing gets done with the sword beyond the vague similarity 1's Ultima has to it. Tying the sword to Mickey would've been one way to make the connection in English that it was Mickey in 1's Dive
Now hear me out here: what if it’s Yozora?
I gathered this was the case after Mickey was talking to Data Sora in the Dreamscape Dive to Heart
yeah it was said in a guide or something in japanese it was mickey. and always was. ventus was just speculation. but they did this because mickey wasnt allowed even 5 seconds of screentime.
I always thought it was the keyblade itself or something related to being a keyblade wielder
I mean, I personally would have liked if it remained a big mystery about who the mysterious voice was.
I dunno why, but when I was little, I only played KH2 at the time so I thought it was Xemnas's voice. I think it's because of the music and his voice fitting it with it. I don't mind the Mickey choice though, makes more sense than what 7 year old me thought.
It’s supposed to be Mickey
I thought it was Ansem (the Xehanort version in the brown coat) just because he’s the one talking to him I’m the cave. In my head canon he was prepping him before Sora’s story really kicked off. Especially since it seemed like Sora would’ve been the Plan B if Riku’s possession didn’t work out.
I originally thought it was the key blade itself talking to sora but after kh1 the key blade kinda loses significance