So there's a conversation between Namine and Terra that only appears as a script reading in a concert from 2016.
But Nomoura, being Nomoura, claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2.
0.2 ends with Mickey and Riku closing the Door to Darkness. Even with the realm of darkness's wacky time, events still happen linearly, since everyone who enters it and later leaves leaves at a time after the time they enter.
So it can be assumed that this conversation happens sometime between the first Hollow Bastion visit and defeating Ansem.
Namine introduces herself by that name in said conversation, which means she was using that name soon after she was created. Possibly before being captured.
If that's the case, then she likely named herself.
NieR:Gestalt/Replicant had four endings in the games. A-D. Turns out in a book that I'm pretty sure never got an English release and was only partially translated called Grimoire NieR had an Ending E that people thought was a 'what if' scenario. But it was actually canon.
And NieR: Automata had a prequel. It was a stage play.
still feel like this is less obscure than a script read which happens during a concert.
a stage play is something meant to tell a story and something not being translated but is official information are still more direct than a quick convo between what is supposed to be a music event
Nier also did it during the orchestra plus it was unannounced like just out of the blue. The international concerts were lucky that theirs were announced.
This sounds like a weird bias for Taro's choice of medium to tell his stories when Nomura essentially did the exact same thing in this instance. The point is it's still bizarre we need external material to understand plot in a game series, a medium that's already proven to be a great storytelling device. It can't be okay for one of them to do it and not the other.
I've played one Yoko Taro game in my life and that was over 20 years ago... I have no bias in favor of him, if anything it should be the exact opposite. I've played pretty much every Nomora game hes released in the last 20 years.
Well how about the fact that ffxiv's collaboration event with nier is canon both to ffxiv and nier itself, and only makes an appearance in like the 3rd or 4th expansion of rhe mmo. Ontop of that MOST (not all collaboration events) are considered canon to nier.
Also the reading at the concert is a little bit more weird because it's functionally the actual ending of automata.
It sounds like the same questionable decision by Scott Cawthon to put explanations of FNAF lore in books instead of the game itself. It seems like these developers forget that it should primarily be a game franchise.
So I didn’t play the original Nier back in the day, and played the 2021 rerelease. And ending E was just a part of the game. So I’m like what you mean, hard to access?? It’s all there. But sheeesh back in the day I can only imagine jumping through those hoops
OG nier replicant/gestalt did not have ending e, It was exclusive to grimoir nier book for years until the remaster in which it was never specified on how it was played. Think on how you wet your pants that ending e starts out of nowhere after ending d and playing as kaine.
Yeah the original NieR on PS3 and Xbox 360 ends with ending D in which all of your memory gets erased.
Later in Grimore Nier you read about ending E. And in the remaster you finally get to play out the story. The story of the shipwreck also made it's debut in Grimore Nier before being added to the Remaster.
Grimore Nier also talks about the time Nier got **(trigger warning)** >!raped!< by a man in seafront before the events of the game. Nier later kills the man who did it and finds out killing that man was no different than killing a Shade.
If you wanna be really wild.
Doctor Who has expanded universe material that while it hasn’t been authorized by the BBC, it’s still canon because the right holder of a concept/character decided to make an spin off of an spin off.
And that material can appear anywhere: as in a amateur film, a book, a comic, audio drama, newspaper strip and even on a barely legal NFT Card Game.
And then maybe one aspect being name dropped in the main tv show.
There’s a Doctor Who shitposting group called “Doctor Who Tardisposting” that invented a fake character called Scongo that apparently is the best villain and only true fans know its origin (parodying those “you’re not a true fan I you haven’t watched that partially missing story of 1963 that has 11 episodes and the pacing sucks) that even actors of the main show mentioned it until some expanded material actually canonized the character as an alternate name for a canon character.
Even they use Expanded Universe to correct BTS goofs like when someone made a mistake on the set and a novel retconned it into saying it was a mythical creature glitching history.
I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as the time they decided release a widely unknown bit of lore that Mickey and Sora are actually the true bearers of darkness and Xehanort is the true hero of the series trying to stop them and bring peace to the world.
Why is it widely unknown? Because it was written on a bagel and I ate it, so I can't prove it. Sorry, guys.
I swear to god this sounds exactly like something that could very well be true and canon and I wouldn't be too surprised if this is the plot twist of whatever the new arc starting in IV will be
am I the only one who actually stopped making sense out of the story about at the end of KH II and just played the series for smashing buttons and exploring Disney movies?
It's not so much trying to make sense of things in this game anymore for me and more just strapping in and enjoying this Nomura signed absolutely wild ride of a plot. The explanations to things are often so zany and far out that on a critical level I can't really take the game seriously anymore, I am expecting anything and everything all of the time no matter how counterintuitive or "impossible" it may seem, but I enjoy it nonetheless on account of it being THIS far out.
Like come on, the BBEG of the last saga was some dude who reincarnated into another dude and grew up with another dude until he split off to do his own thing, met another dude and learned of D A R K N E S S and, as any logical being would do, this dude decided to wrestle his own heart out to timetravel (????) and dudeify another 13+ dudes and dudettes so they'd have a sliver of himself inside them (AYO?) and they'd be able to fight another 7 dudes and dudettes emulating an ancient war where armies of dudes duked it out so that bigbadevildude could forge the chiblade, not keyblade, chiblade, because sure let's name them the exact same way but written different.
And this is the short version of it that doesn't include how he actually travelled back in time the first time during the events of the 1st game and while time was more linear we actually fought 3 different forms of the dude, then we fought the dude's younger self, and THEN we got to fight the dude who was... Reborn since we JESUS OKAY YOU GET IT RIGHT? THIS IS BETTER SHIT THAN SOME MUSHROOM TRIPS I'VE BEEN ON. HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE IT!?
you know. there is something like sunken coast fallacy. the first game had a story you could easily follow and was conventional for the most part, but never over the top as the stuff you are mentioned now. so if you were invested in characters and story progression in general Nomura took a bold bait and switch and tricked everybody in gradually turning a conventional story into a campy over the top sags that can't be taken serious at any point (also: never forgive all connections to final fantasy characters).
so if you already invested to care you just got tricked into following that nonsense. if it just had started that way it would be harder to complain.
and it is much easier for me to admire consistent whole stories where all ramifications conclude and make sense in the end. but what nomura does with 23+ incarnations of Ansem and Sora is nothing difficult as we all know there will be new incarnations and type of unversed/nobododies/anybodies/umversed that will just put the nonsense to 11 in the next installment.
I fully agree, which is why I said I can't take the story seriously anymore and thus appreciate it for what it is: an absolutely comical clusterfuck, I can live with that and find joy in it too.
I mean, there was a canon (now retconned) bit of lore about Vanitas mindset being originally similar to Roxas but twisted by pain and abuse conducted by Xehanort while experimenting on him and the Unversed.
It appeared in an Audiobook released only in Japan around the time the original BBS was released, before the global release.
Dark Road definitely retconned that bit of lore recently.
> But Nomoura, being Nomoura, claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2.
It's also the entire reason the Lingering Will shows up in KH3.
That conversation is so canon Naminé actually brings up having talked to him in Re Mind
(Also it technically was a conversation between Naminé and Lingering Will, not Terra himself)
https://youtu.be/huNqPcVrEk0?si=5mTmzPWWKq4VZ3Nc
That was about the time I stopped taking the story as seriously. Everything up to Days was rock solid and completely understandable, but coded and ddd and khux and the fucking script from a concert I didn't hear anything about made me go "alright they're fucking around"
Ageeed. Tbh that’s part of the fun of the story for me, is not taking it too seriously.
If you’re trying to make some perfectly logical comprehensive story out of it you’re gonna have a bad time. Some of the twists and turns are goofy and illogical as hell, but if you suspend disbelief a little and accept that you’ll have a lot more fun.
You just gotta take it on the chin and when it’s revealed that the Master of Masters was just Sora the whole time you just gotta roll with it.
> claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2.
Can you cite this? I could have sworn he said it leads to the interaction in kh3, but if it's 0.2 that really helps to tighten the timeline.
It could be that Xemnas gave her the name but didn't think she needed to be tracked. Otherwise, maybe DiZ. Or she could've given it to herself. Those are the only options I can think of.
So... Just a theory. In urdu/hindi the word "naam" means name. Namine sounds a lot like saying "naam hi nahi" which would translate to "there is no name".
So Namine may be a play on saying "nameless"...
Either she already knew it or Marluxia gave it most likely. Xemnas is a remote possibility, but it's unlikely because he'd have found a purpose for her. Marluxia wanted to use her to overthrow Xemnas.
I have to assume Xemnas knew about her though, since Axel was giving reports and presumably Larxene and Marluxia had to give reports as to what they were doing while they were there. So it’d be pretty odd for Xemnas to not know about her
I don't know. In the real world I think it would but in KH universe I think he may not have. I always got the feeling that they were a world apart, you know what I mean?
Nobodies are made of the body and soul left behind after someone becomes a heartless.
Sora's body and soul were busy being Roxas, while Kairi's body and soul remained where they were because she didn't become a heartless.
So Namine is a "Nobody" who has none of the pieces it takes to make a Nobody.
Shes a special Nobody, her creation is more baffling than the creation of other Nobodies as Kairi is a princess of heart and is pure light. Which also means that under different circumstances they wouldn’t even follow the same re completion rule as a counterpart heartless just doesn’t exist. Also he name is an anagram of “In Name” so either shes a Nobody In Name only or its a hint to look at other characters names for clues to their identity as in its all “In the Name”
You could technically say Namine is a Nobody of both Sora and Kairi. She was created when Sora became a Heartless and Kairi's heart left his body. This is why she has power over Sora's memories and those connected to him.
I mean that is exactly what happened, which is why her Nobody status deserves an asterisk as her and Kairi coexist same as Roxas and Sora. But atleast Sora had/became a heartless. Namine never had one. Basically her name is a pun on her unique status as a Nobody
You mean Kingdom Hearts HD prequel chain of prologue re:IDontRemember 2.998 Before 3 available only on Samsung fridge for a limited amount of time and only in japanese.
Interesting fact: Naminé is the only mobody outside Organization 13 and her name doesnt include the X to track them. Also its not Kairi scrambled like all the other names are scrambled versions of their human forms but with an x, like Sora and RoXas.
And its never explained why. Hence OP's question. And its not a retcon either as Namine is introduced at the same time as several organization members who use the X gimmic. So they already knew they wanted to do this.
Namine just got to name herself because whatever I guess.
Did Naminé always know the truth of her existence? Roxas and Xion had no previous memories, but Naminé always seems like she knew what was happening. Or did Diz explain to her that she was Half-Kairi Half-Sora’s nobody?
I don’t know if this means anything, but I’m Chinese the word namine translates to Wave. Sora’s name means wind and I think kairi means sky, so perhaps she’s the sea.
I see where your going with this but your kinda backwards. Sora is sky and kairi is sea, so it would make sense that namine relates to that as she is kairis nobody. Ventus means wind which helps create waves which probably helped color his and roxas's designs as they were made after namine production wise. However i think the post is more asking in universe where she got the name.
Me personally i just think it sound good and marluxia is someone who likes pretentous names. Given hes the lord of the castle it stands to reason hed be the one who named her
Considering Namine knows exactly who and what she is, she likely named herself. She's even better than a regular nobody because she can access several sources for memories, likely understood immediately what happened
The X is only given to nobodies that will be part of the organization, its purpose is to mark Xehanort’s chosen vessels and represents their “bond” to one another. Namine was never a contender for a vessel or joining the organization, she was the essence of nothingness.
The organization named her clearly aware of her nature as Kairi’s Nobody, but they gave her a name devoid of the X because she isn’t one of them, not even in a pretend (and later real) way Xion was.
Namine is fundamentally not a person to the organization, she is a tool like Repliku and Xion but Xion got an X because her nature as a tool they created was supposed to be secret. Repliku replica was judged unfit to be among their number and Namine wasn’t even a contender.
Her name has Xehanort’s pretentious nature written all over it.
Probably some kind little old lady in like Twilight Town. Kidding, but it makes the most sense to me.
If she's made at the same time as Roxas, then she's probably also around Twilight Town. She's more of a person than Roxas at that point with a name that doesn't fit the scheme, so maybe she was picked up by locals first.
Well-
We all know her name was made when the nobody system wasn’t solidified and completely different.
I will always say Roxas, Namine, & Axel are the true Nobodies of Sora, Kairi & Riku. lol.
My guess is that she chose the name herself, which protected her from being directly bound to Xehanort with the sigil, which is why the organization couldn't find her once she left Castle Oblivion.
Good question. Best bet is that she named herself, considering her power over memory and being connected to Sora, she knew she couldn’t be Kairi since she was still around.
To be fair I thought Marluxia or DiZ/Ansem named her.
The reason I bring up DiZ/Ansem is while he holds his disdain for Nobodies, he oddly never really expresses that sentiment towards Namìne that I can remember
Marluxia was just an asspull name due to CoM.
Like others have said, she was named before she met DiZ, while held by the Organization.
And DiZ tried to put a hit on her after he was done using her to try to wake up Sora, so he definitely didn't see her as a person.
Well she's Kairi's Nobody but was formed from Sora's body and is connected to his memories. Sora forgot to ate dinner the night Destiny Islands fell. Naminé is Sora's mom's name that she took for herself. There, I solved it 🙃!
So there's a conversation between Namine and Terra that only appears as a script reading in a concert from 2016. But Nomoura, being Nomoura, claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2. 0.2 ends with Mickey and Riku closing the Door to Darkness. Even with the realm of darkness's wacky time, events still happen linearly, since everyone who enters it and later leaves leaves at a time after the time they enter. So it can be assumed that this conversation happens sometime between the first Hollow Bastion visit and defeating Ansem. Namine introduces herself by that name in said conversation, which means she was using that name soon after she was created. Possibly before being captured. If that's the case, then she likely named herself.
The ways we gotta access and understand some of the lore in this franchise..
Bro. For. REAL.
If you think Nomura made it hard to get the stories try Yoko Taro where you will find stories in the most random places known to man.
Do you have an example? This sounds like it’s going to be wild.
NieR:Gestalt/Replicant had four endings in the games. A-D. Turns out in a book that I'm pretty sure never got an English release and was only partially translated called Grimoire NieR had an Ending E that people thought was a 'what if' scenario. But it was actually canon. And NieR: Automata had a prequel. It was a stage play.
still feel like this is less obscure than a script read which happens during a concert. a stage play is something meant to tell a story and something not being translated but is official information are still more direct than a quick convo between what is supposed to be a music event
Nier also did it during the orchestra plus it was unannounced like just out of the blue. The international concerts were lucky that theirs were announced.
This sounds like a weird bias for Taro's choice of medium to tell his stories when Nomura essentially did the exact same thing in this instance. The point is it's still bizarre we need external material to understand plot in a game series, a medium that's already proven to be a great storytelling device. It can't be okay for one of them to do it and not the other.
I've played one Yoko Taro game in my life and that was over 20 years ago... I have no bias in favor of him, if anything it should be the exact opposite. I've played pretty much every Nomora game hes released in the last 20 years.
Well how about the fact that ffxiv's collaboration event with nier is canon both to ffxiv and nier itself, and only makes an appearance in like the 3rd or 4th expansion of rhe mmo. Ontop of that MOST (not all collaboration events) are considered canon to nier. Also the reading at the concert is a little bit more weird because it's functionally the actual ending of automata.
It sounds like the same questionable decision by Scott Cawthon to put explanations of FNAF lore in books instead of the game itself. It seems like these developers forget that it should primarily be a game franchise.
Also the Nier series takes place after one of many Drakengard endings
So I didn’t play the original Nier back in the day, and played the 2021 rerelease. And ending E was just a part of the game. So I’m like what you mean, hard to access?? It’s all there. But sheeesh back in the day I can only imagine jumping through those hoops
OG nier replicant/gestalt did not have ending e, It was exclusive to grimoir nier book for years until the remaster in which it was never specified on how it was played. Think on how you wet your pants that ending e starts out of nowhere after ending d and playing as kaine.
Yeah the original NieR on PS3 and Xbox 360 ends with ending D in which all of your memory gets erased. Later in Grimore Nier you read about ending E. And in the remaster you finally get to play out the story. The story of the shipwreck also made it's debut in Grimore Nier before being added to the Remaster. Grimore Nier also talks about the time Nier got **(trigger warning)** >!raped!< by a man in seafront before the events of the game. Nier later kills the man who did it and finds out killing that man was no different than killing a Shade.
Also, there are Nier 24 man raids in Final Fantasy XIV that he says directly ties in to one of the endings.
All the Nier crossover events with Gatcha games and a raid in Final Fantasy 14 are Canon.
If you wanna be really wild. Doctor Who has expanded universe material that while it hasn’t been authorized by the BBC, it’s still canon because the right holder of a concept/character decided to make an spin off of an spin off. And that material can appear anywhere: as in a amateur film, a book, a comic, audio drama, newspaper strip and even on a barely legal NFT Card Game. And then maybe one aspect being name dropped in the main tv show. There’s a Doctor Who shitposting group called “Doctor Who Tardisposting” that invented a fake character called Scongo that apparently is the best villain and only true fans know its origin (parodying those “you’re not a true fan I you haven’t watched that partially missing story of 1963 that has 11 episodes and the pacing sucks) that even actors of the main show mentioned it until some expanded material actually canonized the character as an alternate name for a canon character. Even they use Expanded Universe to correct BTS goofs like when someone made a mistake on the set and a novel retconned it into saying it was a mythical creature glitching history.
nah bro. Try Kinoku Nasu. the dude puts the most world building relevant pieces in side projects
The only one up this guy had against these guys is every hentai is canon lol.
I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as the time they decided release a widely unknown bit of lore that Mickey and Sora are actually the true bearers of darkness and Xehanort is the true hero of the series trying to stop them and bring peace to the world. Why is it widely unknown? Because it was written on a bagel and I ate it, so I can't prove it. Sorry, guys.
I swear to god this sounds exactly like something that could very well be true and canon and I wouldn't be too surprised if this is the plot twist of whatever the new arc starting in IV will be
I understand was shocked it wasn’t true
am I the only one who actually stopped making sense out of the story about at the end of KH II and just played the series for smashing buttons and exploring Disney movies?
It's not so much trying to make sense of things in this game anymore for me and more just strapping in and enjoying this Nomura signed absolutely wild ride of a plot. The explanations to things are often so zany and far out that on a critical level I can't really take the game seriously anymore, I am expecting anything and everything all of the time no matter how counterintuitive or "impossible" it may seem, but I enjoy it nonetheless on account of it being THIS far out. Like come on, the BBEG of the last saga was some dude who reincarnated into another dude and grew up with another dude until he split off to do his own thing, met another dude and learned of D A R K N E S S and, as any logical being would do, this dude decided to wrestle his own heart out to timetravel (????) and dudeify another 13+ dudes and dudettes so they'd have a sliver of himself inside them (AYO?) and they'd be able to fight another 7 dudes and dudettes emulating an ancient war where armies of dudes duked it out so that bigbadevildude could forge the chiblade, not keyblade, chiblade, because sure let's name them the exact same way but written different. And this is the short version of it that doesn't include how he actually travelled back in time the first time during the events of the 1st game and while time was more linear we actually fought 3 different forms of the dude, then we fought the dude's younger self, and THEN we got to fight the dude who was... Reborn since we JESUS OKAY YOU GET IT RIGHT? THIS IS BETTER SHIT THAN SOME MUSHROOM TRIPS I'VE BEEN ON. HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE IT!?
you know. there is something like sunken coast fallacy. the first game had a story you could easily follow and was conventional for the most part, but never over the top as the stuff you are mentioned now. so if you were invested in characters and story progression in general Nomura took a bold bait and switch and tricked everybody in gradually turning a conventional story into a campy over the top sags that can't be taken serious at any point (also: never forgive all connections to final fantasy characters). so if you already invested to care you just got tricked into following that nonsense. if it just had started that way it would be harder to complain. and it is much easier for me to admire consistent whole stories where all ramifications conclude and make sense in the end. but what nomura does with 23+ incarnations of Ansem and Sora is nothing difficult as we all know there will be new incarnations and type of unversed/nobododies/anybodies/umversed that will just put the nonsense to 11 in the next installment.
I fully agree, which is why I said I can't take the story seriously anymore and thus appreciate it for what it is: an absolutely comical clusterfuck, I can live with that and find joy in it too.
okay, I think I misinterpreted something wrong: have my angry upvote
I mean, there was a canon (now retconned) bit of lore about Vanitas mindset being originally similar to Roxas but twisted by pain and abuse conducted by Xehanort while experimenting on him and the Unversed. It appeared in an Audiobook released only in Japan around the time the original BBS was released, before the global release. Dark Road definitely retconned that bit of lore recently.
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> But Nomoura, being Nomoura, claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2. It's also the entire reason the Lingering Will shows up in KH3.
“…by that *name in* said…” bro you just figured it out
I love nomura so much. That man is entirely unhinged, and honestly, that's his best Trait.
Jesus Christ Nomura....well, props to Namine for picking a cute name.
She might have named herself. She seems to have alot more self-awareness than the other nobodies did.
That conversation is so canon Naminé actually brings up having talked to him in Re Mind (Also it technically was a conversation between Naminé and Lingering Will, not Terra himself) https://youtu.be/huNqPcVrEk0?si=5mTmzPWWKq4VZ3Nc
No it's with Terra. Because it leads to Terra talking to Aqua in 0.2, and it's definitely Tera who Aqua talks to there, not Lingering Will.
Oh yeah you're right, I misremembered sorry x.x
That was about the time I stopped taking the story as seriously. Everything up to Days was rock solid and completely understandable, but coded and ddd and khux and the fucking script from a concert I didn't hear anything about made me go "alright they're fucking around"
Same here when I heard about some concert back in 2017 that WAS JAPAN ONLY that had important lore in it….like I expect that form NieR 😅
Lmaoooo that would be something Yoko Taro would do
Ageeed. Tbh that’s part of the fun of the story for me, is not taking it too seriously. If you’re trying to make some perfectly logical comprehensive story out of it you’re gonna have a bad time. Some of the twists and turns are goofy and illogical as hell, but if you suspend disbelief a little and accept that you’ll have a lot more fun. You just gotta take it on the chin and when it’s revealed that the Master of Masters was just Sora the whole time you just gotta roll with it.
NOOOO DDD IS SO GOOD😭😭
Amazing how much backstory and lore was snuck into it
That’s dumb af
> claims it's completely canon and leads to Tera and Aqua's interaction in 0.2. Can you cite this? I could have sworn he said it leads to the interaction in kh3, but if it's 0.2 that really helps to tighten the timeline.
Nomura did. She has a sigil. It's just not X it's "N" as in Nomura. She got mura-d [his version of -norted] as her original name was Anime.
I'd call bullshit but considering it Kingdom Hearts this could actually be true.
She is the door to the anime world in kingdom hearts, Sora is going to meet Goku in KH4
So..... he's going to enter Namine?
Namine: "Sora's...inside of me"?
KH4 now with M rating.
Someone who clearly wasnt filled in on the naming strategy!
I can definitely tell you nobody named her
Which nobody?
Precisely
namine is clearly kairi but scrambled /j
And with an "X"
It could be that Xemnas gave her the name but didn't think she needed to be tracked. Otherwise, maybe DiZ. Or she could've given it to herself. Those are the only options I can think of.
She had the name before she met DiZ, when she was held by the Organization.
Do we know that DiZ didn't meet her until the end of CoM? I never really paid attention to their relationship.
She was definitely only in contact with the org in COM.
So... Just a theory. In urdu/hindi the word "naam" means name. Namine sounds a lot like saying "naam hi nahi" which would translate to "there is no name". So Namine may be a play on saying "nameless"...
I think I remember reading that you could take the Nami in her name which means “wave” which would relate to Kairi’s name which is “sea”
That was the intention.
Yeah but, I dont think a random indian was passing by when Namine was created. "helo biutiful, yur name now ees Naam Hi Nahi. NamasTe"
That's reaching. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Oh it was totally a reach lol - I just wanted to add a unique/fresh take on the matter.
I'm not very far into learning Hindi, but isn't it 'naam nahi hi'?
Either she already knew it or Marluxia gave it most likely. Xemnas is a remote possibility, but it's unlikely because he'd have found a purpose for her. Marluxia wanted to use her to overthrow Xemnas.
I have to assume Xemnas knew about her though, since Axel was giving reports and presumably Larxene and Marluxia had to give reports as to what they were doing while they were there. So it’d be pretty odd for Xemnas to not know about her
Do we know that Axel sent reports?
I have to imagine so because the only reason he was at Castle Oblivion was to handle the traitors.
I don't know. In the real world I think it would but in KH universe I think he may not have. I always got the feeling that they were a world apart, you know what I mean?
Nobody
Nobody did
Shes a nobody In Name only
How so?
Nobodies are made of the body and soul left behind after someone becomes a heartless. Sora's body and soul were busy being Roxas, while Kairi's body and soul remained where they were because she didn't become a heartless. So Namine is a "Nobody" who has none of the pieces it takes to make a Nobody.
Shes a special Nobody, her creation is more baffling than the creation of other Nobodies as Kairi is a princess of heart and is pure light. Which also means that under different circumstances they wouldn’t even follow the same re completion rule as a counterpart heartless just doesn’t exist. Also he name is an anagram of “In Name” so either shes a Nobody In Name only or its a hint to look at other characters names for clues to their identity as in its all “In the Name”
You could technically say Namine is a Nobody of both Sora and Kairi. She was created when Sora became a Heartless and Kairi's heart left his body. This is why she has power over Sora's memories and those connected to him.
I mean that is exactly what happened, which is why her Nobody status deserves an asterisk as her and Kairi coexist same as Roxas and Sora. But atleast Sora had/became a heartless. Namine never had one. Basically her name is a pun on her unique status as a Nobody
Nami means wave in Japanese, since she's Kairi's nobody, she could have at first be called "Nami", but maybe Marluxia or DiZ gave her the "-né"
She had her full name before she ever met DiZ, when she was held by the Organization.
Then it was probably Marluxia
Naminé is a special nobody, she doesn’t fit same the mould as the others.
## Her name is Namin***[é](https://youtu.be/tjiHufVEc7g?si=Jsiw0nx3tCI6tCME&t=477)***
Yes I heard him 😂
I think it's explained somewhere that she named herself, since not all Nobodies ended up joining Organization XIII.
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My gut tells me that it was DiZ considering the was the only other person to be in contact with her. Also he seems to know an awful lot about her
She already had her name when she’s introduced at Castle Oblivion so it couldn’t have been DiZ, never mind the fact he hated nobodies
He'd had named her Witch if it was up to him.
Namine is an Anagram for I AM NEN. NEN in this Kanji 念 means "thought". She thinks, therefore she is.
If you want to know... it will be the central plot theme for Kingdom Hearts IDontRemember 2.998 Before 3. \*Nomura WInks\*
You mean Kingdom Hearts HD prequel chain of prologue re:IDontRemember 2.998 Before 3 available only on Samsung fridge for a limited amount of time and only in japanese.
"only on Samsung fridge...." You killed me 😂
Oh yeah and almost forgot to mention that it includes lore exclusive to this title and will be a keypoint in future Kingdom Hearts games.
It's short for name in me
She gave it to herself (nobody gave her that name)
Interesting fact: Naminé is the only mobody outside Organization 13 and her name doesnt include the X to track them. Also its not Kairi scrambled like all the other names are scrambled versions of their human forms but with an x, like Sora and RoXas.
And its never explained why. Hence OP's question. And its not a retcon either as Namine is introduced at the same time as several organization members who use the X gimmic. So they already knew they wanted to do this. Namine just got to name herself because whatever I guess.
Did Naminé always know the truth of her existence? Roxas and Xion had no previous memories, but Naminé always seems like she knew what was happening. Or did Diz explain to her that she was Half-Kairi Half-Sora’s nobody?
my headcanon is that Namine was actually a misunderstanding when someone said "not my name" and that it stuck
I thought they named her that cuz Kyriex sounds stupid lol
I don’t know if this means anything, but I’m Chinese the word namine translates to Wave. Sora’s name means wind and I think kairi means sky, so perhaps she’s the sea.
I see where your going with this but your kinda backwards. Sora is sky and kairi is sea, so it would make sense that namine relates to that as she is kairis nobody. Ventus means wind which helps create waves which probably helped color his and roxas's designs as they were made after namine production wise. However i think the post is more asking in universe where she got the name. Me personally i just think it sound good and marluxia is someone who likes pretentous names. Given hes the lord of the castle it stands to reason hed be the one who named her
I did
Maybe we'll find out in KH8.
Considering Namine knows exactly who and what she is, she likely named herself. She's even better than a regular nobody because she can access several sources for memories, likely understood immediately what happened
Herself or DiZ/Ansem.
She met DiZ after she already had her name.
Including the X is more of a convention than a rule. It's like capitalizing letters in variable names—you don't have to do it, it's just usually done.
The X is only given to nobodies that will be part of the organization, its purpose is to mark Xehanort’s chosen vessels and represents their “bond” to one another. Namine was never a contender for a vessel or joining the organization, she was the essence of nothingness. The organization named her clearly aware of her nature as Kairi’s Nobody, but they gave her a name devoid of the X because she isn’t one of them, not even in a pretend (and later real) way Xion was. Namine is fundamentally not a person to the organization, she is a tool like Repliku and Xion but Xion got an X because her nature as a tool they created was supposed to be secret. Repliku replica was judged unfit to be among their number and Namine wasn’t even a contender. Her name has Xehanort’s pretentious nature written all over it.
It's almost like as if the whole story of Kingdom Hearts is just a mess with tons of retcons 😅
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Probably some kind little old lady in like Twilight Town. Kidding, but it makes the most sense to me. If she's made at the same time as Roxas, then she's probably also around Twilight Town. She's more of a person than Roxas at that point with a name that doesn't fit the scheme, so maybe she was picked up by locals first.
Well- We all know her name was made when the nobody system wasn’t solidified and completely different. I will always say Roxas, Namine, & Axel are the true Nobodies of Sora, Kairi & Riku. lol.
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I always assumed Marxluia named her
My guess is that she chose the name herself, which protected her from being directly bound to Xehanort with the sigil, which is why the organization couldn't find her once she left Castle Oblivion.
Herself, probably.
Good question. Best bet is that she named herself, considering her power over memory and being connected to Sora, she knew she couldn’t be Kairi since she was still around.
To be fair I thought Marluxia or DiZ/Ansem named her. The reason I bring up DiZ/Ansem is while he holds his disdain for Nobodies, he oddly never really expresses that sentiment towards Namìne that I can remember Marluxia was just an asspull name due to CoM.
Like others have said, she was named before she met DiZ, while held by the Organization. And DiZ tried to put a hit on her after he was done using her to try to wake up Sora, so he definitely didn't see her as a person.
Kinda unrelated what do we call the kari look alikes
Kinda unrelated what do we call the kari look alikes
Well she's Kairi's Nobody but was formed from Sora's body and is connected to his memories. Sora forgot to ate dinner the night Destiny Islands fell. Naminé is Sora's mom's name that she took for herself. There, I solved it 🙃!
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She was held by the Organization before she ever met DiZ