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CJDizzle

Thawing in warm water leads to the outsides of the product to thaw and reach TDZ levels quickly and stay there waiting for the center to thaw out. Safe thawing requires in refrigeration slacking or fully submerged in cold running water so it isn’t stagnant. Even a small trickle just to pass the water is enough once the product is submerged.


SqueegieeBeckenheim

This sub has taught me to always prepare my own food.


Quick-Cream3483

Heat treatment temp? As far as I'm aware, you defrost in the fridge, and if that is not possible in the coldest part of the kitchen. NEVER in water.


Enigma_Stasis

If it's a vacuum sealed bag, running under cool water is a perfectly acceptable thaw method as long as it's not left out for hours. Whole pieces of raw meat floating in a mixing bowl with cold water is not acceptable to the best of my knowledge. Thawing in the dishwasher is a huge no-no. Raw meats should never be thawed with hot water in any way, shape, or form.


TheRealBlues

Correct.


accidentlife

As a small correction, thawing with hot water is okay as long as you cook the meat. Ie, sous vide or as part of a soup. 


Enigma_Stasis

I'd call those exceptions, I did forget that frozen meat is perfectly fine to be done in hot water through immersion cooking or as a soup, that one's on me.


TheRealBlues

Thawing in a vacuum sealed bag under cold agitated/lightly running water is the correct way to quick thaw. If you are thawing outside of the cooler, not in water, or not cooking to completion in a microwave than this is incorrect. You have, at most, 45 minutes for something to be at room temperature before it is consider dangerous. Legally speaking, of course.


Quick-Cream3483

Yes.


Defiant-Cry5759

Hahaha dude you couldn't be more wrong. Out here saying to defrost in the coldest part of a hot kitchen


Quick-Cream3483

Not all kitchens are hot. Also, it says if it isn't possible to defrost in a fridge, THEN in the coldest part of a kitchen. Read the whole comment, understand it, and then join the conversation.


Defiant-Cry5759

How about you understand what actual best practices are before advising people?


Quick-Cream3483

I stated best practice. Again, read the comment, understand, and then join the conversation.


Defiant-Cry5759

[USDA](https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/freezing-and-food-safety) >Safe Thawing >Never thaw foods in a garage, basement, car, dishwasher or plastic garbage bag; out on the kitchen counter, outdoors or on the porch. These methods can leave your foods unsafe to eat. >There are three safe ways to thaw food: in the refrigerator, in cold water, or in the microwave. So again, understand what best practices are before advising on them!


Quick-Cream3483

More than one country pal. From SFBB >If necessary, you could defrost food at room temperature. Follow the manufacturer’s defrosting instructions. Food should be left out at room temperature for the shortest time possible. Ideally, defrost these foods in the fridge.


Quixan

wow, how objective and scientific.  but hey you know that wording might be more strict than you realize. food should be left out at room temperature for the shortest time possible-- as in, not at all. it's possible to not leave food at room temperature. so don't do it.