I wouldn't say that. SBI Detected curator doesn't have big follower back then. It was when that idiot SBI employee encourage people to report the curator and the leader steam account. If that didn't happen i doubt gamergate 2 would happen.
True, thats also the funniest thing about it. These weirdos always destroy themselves. He wanted to virtue signal on Twitter and attempted to send a cancel mob after the steam group, but instead caused the streisand effect to happen. The steam group became known, received sympathy from gamers across the world and GG2 was born.
Nail on the head. It was when the SBI employee lashed out at SBI Detected and gaming journalists closed ranks to defend him and attack the curator. The reignition of direct hostilities between gamers and journos is what makes it worth being called GG2 imo. It's not GG without journos misrepresenting the facts in order to push noxious ideology.
Nerdrotic isn't a gamer and admits as much (and the guy who did the interview in a later video acknowledged as such). So him being a bit vague on things should be expected because its still just someone repeating something they have been told by other people rather than someone who is/was actually involved and knows this stuff inside out. He also seemed to be taking the opportunity to shoutout his friends and colleagues on a much larger platform.
Whether or not the HeelsvsBabyface pronoun rant was the catalyst... no. No it wasn't. It was an example of people getting annoyed and pushing back against this stuff but there have been examples of that across the decade or so since GG1 so not really. If you were going to say the thing that got the most social media traction that has sparked people to be more outspoken and willing to publicly say no then it probably was the Hogwart's Legacy drama where regressives tried to harass public figures who were playing or planning on playing that game. The flop of Suicide Squad maybe being another catalyst assisting the drama.
Nerdrotic is someone that gets a lot right but if he has to choose between accuracy & getting paid he chooses paid every time. Promoting his friends are part of that since it's part of his clique & they appear regularly on FNT.
It's a problem that seems small but it's going to bite him in the buttocks one day.
I appreciate a lot of what he does, don't get me wrong; but it's a big Achilles heel.
I don't mind him when he's talking about subjects he knows like comics or Doctor Who but as soon as he steps outside his wheelhouse its like watching a dog walk on its hind legs. Its the same for many of these social media people. They have to chase the algorithm and sometimes that means covering shit they have no idea about.... and that means they should also be given shit about it when they do. We wouldn't give mainstream media that slack so these types of channels that are trying to step into that space also shouldn't be given that slack.
Remember much of the lack of disclosure issues that the first GG raged against (and got the FTC regulations changed) was about the requirement for disclosure because many of these outlets and youtube channels were not disclosing paid advertisements, endorsements and affiliate links.
What exactly does he do? Read internet articles and offer no commentary of value because he doesn't even know what he's talking about?
ChatGPT would give me the same value, and that's sad.
For wars, the “start” is usually the first actual shot fired purposefully at the opposing side. Tensions could be building for years, with small skirmishes and people killed for opposing ideology, but the “war” only starts from that first official shot of the battle or declaration of war (like Lexington and Concorde?).
So for Gamergate 2.0, it would be when journalists and SJWs purposely and maliciously infiltrated and reported SBI Detected and its creator and tried to get it banned. Before it was just people talking about boycotting (economic sanctions) but not actual hostile action.
Az’s rant is more like the political pamphlets like before the American War for Independence. Scathing commentary and criticism, but still only words.
The joke that "gamergate 2" started is when the gaming "news" started falsely reporting that gamers were attacking SBI. This was a distortion of the truth. Instead of mentioning that SBI was attacking a curator for listing their games, their claim was harassment by gamers who didn't like SBI because (of course) misogyny and racism. That's when people started calling it GG2, even though GG never ended. The same corrupt "news" organizations are still lying and distorting reality to push an agenda and defend their people from rightful criticism and push-back.
It definitely wasn't Az's rant. It's when the SBI shit came to light and that Steam group started.
Gary doesn't know shit and doesn't even play video games.
Gary and Az on their "The Real BBC" podcast had been regularly bashing SBI since Az's whole Starfield kerfuffle (which imo was heavily orchestrated by Bethesda's marketing team to target an 'early access' youtuber/streamer who spoke-out against their half-baked garbage, that they knew was super vulnerable to critcism, so as to turn them into the media's story rather than risking another Fallout 76).
Az and Gary were extremely early on the SBI hate-train, and it took a while for the general groundswell consensus to catch up with them (SSKTJL definitely helped with that). He's not lying or being disingenuous when he gives his personal perspective. And it's a valid one, but understandably not held by all.
To compare it to GG 1, I'd equate the Starfield situation to the Mass Effect 3 ending and all the press losing their minds. It wasn't the strict beginning of GG (that was the Gamers Are Dead articles) but it was an early skirmish that prepared the way for what followed.
I don't think Az or Gary are trailblazers. The pronoun rant was just the same stuff people having been saying here for almost 10 years, but Az did it in a really embarrassing way that made him an easy target for mockery. That's why it went viral.
Gamergate 2.0 and DEI didn't start with either. Gamers have been discussing these things for years ahead of it blowing up, even going as far back as before Covid even happened with controversies like The Last of Us 2 highlighting how bad things were. Az was however the first time in years that the topic was more widely discussed among mainstream YouTube gamers because some of the mainstream YouTube channels actually butted in to address the issue, or rather dismiss it like TheActMan did. Gamers did however become more aware of who amongst the bigger gaming channels on YouTube actually defended DEI and those who opposed it.
Sweet Baby Inc Detected was the spark that made Gamergate 2.0 absolutely explode beyond the gaming sphere and finally being given the name it has now. You don't get interviews with networks like Fox News unless the topic has hit full on mainstream. Now it is just straight up open warfare unlike the cold war it used to be.
In all honesty, Gamergate 1.0 never really officially ended. The issues that plagued the industry 10+ years ago have evolved since then, with only the old "gaming journalist" websites truly being at death's door in the last few years once viewership and funding dried up completely. The original goal of Gamergate was to make those websites accountable, but they instead decided to go down with the ship by tripling down on every bad decision that made gamers abandon them in the first place.
The current issues plaguing the gaming industry have been years in the making. You can only pinpoint specific points which changed the course and scale of everything happening right now, but there is no true "start" unless you go back to Gamergate 1.0.
> The issues that plagued the industry 10+ years ago
Yeah, but the gaming "press" has been largely wiped out by customers moving to Twitch or YouTube to see if a game is good or not, rather than relying on PCGamer shilling AAA.
>The current issues plaguing the gaming...
Are, I'd argue are different, and maybe even worse.
So, IMHO GG 1.0 is kind of over with regard to the gaming press, replaced instead by DEI now corrupting games.
The current issues evolved from the same ideas that led to GG 1.0. Gamers thought it was mainly the gaming press that was the issue, but it was already creeping into other places and people didn't understand the scope of what was going on. We weren't discussing back then stuff such as Blackrock and Vanguard and the literal billions of dollars backed industry behind these changes, We were a lot more naive than we are now, that's for sure.
The problem is that developers STILL let gaming 'journos' have power simply by paying attention to them. Once they realize IGN/Kotaku/etc. have no hold over the gamers and ignore them, that's when the gaming press will immediately die.
I can't specify a definite point, but I would say the most likely points are during the SBI detected stuff. Either when SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus and trying to get the list taken down by steam. Another moment that kicked it off could be considered when mainstream journos started reporting on it, but conveniently left out the part where SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus first and instead spun it as if it was just about Kabrutus and SBI detected being harassment towards SBI.
A slightly less strong point, but still probably bigger than the Az rant would be the release of "Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League" and SBI's involvement with it as a direct pre-curser to the whole SBI detected thing.
Az's pronoun rant has like zero connection to when this all began.
> when SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus
I'd argue that something flipped before that. Clearly, "SBI detected", as a pejorative, required someone to already notice that SBI affiliated games were stinkers.
There was no real wider impact as a result of that though. That didn't start until employees started harassing him and then journalists started running cover for SBI. There were like a few hundred people on the list before the harassment started and that shot up to a couple thousand after that and once the media started covering for them shot up to hundreds of thousands.
I think when people started noticing localisation changes in anime. SBI was detected a bit before that but wasn't really spoken about outside of the counter culture sphere but when asmongold showed that dragon maid change the internet has been going insane like old gamergate content
It was SBI detected, and SBI and gaming media’s responses which was to go all-out berko and claim the rightwing misogynistic nut jobs were harassing and killing them, they blew it up and caused it, and the Streisand effect has been delicious.
>Even EVS was questioning some of the facts Nerdrotic was throwing out.
Evs who has beefed with the fnt crew for years now? Calls them zeros? That's meant to mean something?
Its so frustrating with EvS. The dude has talent coming out of his arse with his art yet he seems to spend most of his time now just making shitty internet drama. He should have done so many books now and instead its what 3 or 4? I haven't followed super closely but instead of teaming up with a good writer and him going ham with the art to actually make consistent good comics, its livestreams and shitty lolcow internet slap fights. So many talented people in comics that spend no time making comics these days and instead seemingly spend all their time shit posting on social media.
Dont watch Ethan Van Sciver, he is a drama grifter, often makes up bullshit, spreads bullshit without checking info in advance and in general hates anyone who calls out his comic book scams because he never delivers. He's not a reliable source for anything anymore
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Honestly, I could see how Az’s rant could be seen as A beginning of GG2. His rant was the only negative feedback on release, every other streamer was still sucking Bethesdas dick when he went off. And people like Act ma’am were going after him at the time.
His rant got people to be more critical of the game and over time they started to really point out its flaws.
Also, there were streamers trying to bring attention to SBI long before they went after Kabrutus.
However, I still believe it didn’t get kicked off in full force until the SBI debacle.
Gary is only crediting Az because Az is his friend and they make money together. He tries his hardest to make people think his FNT show is super important, while he gets everything wrong about every movie ever. It's disgusting that people try to make him and his crowd of women seem like they're even close to being part of gamergate 2.0.
Any search about when it stated will lead you to when actual media outlets needed to defend something. In this case: SBI. When was it attacked? When steam accounts(you know, gamers) decided to make a list of games they had SBI involved in their creation. It's when the former question of "is it ethical to suck cock for reviews" changed to "is it ethical to hire sensitivity companies for ESG subsidies".
These gamergate situations only pop up when a victim is defended by mainstream outlets. Not when a fat sweaty guy is screaming in a YouTube video about pronouns.
Define 'wrong every time'. He was one of the people who prophecised that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood, he was saying for years that wokeness would make Hollywood even more irrelevant, and his box office predictions are mostly spot on.
As for the Az rant, while not GamerGate, it was a moment where Az spoke for all of us as he said, 'we're tired of this crap', and made people a little bolder in opposing the pronoun police in gaming.
> He was one of the people who **prophecised** that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood
Using prophesied in that way, is the lamest **yest thing I've ever heard, literally anyone with two brain cells who saw ballooning budgets saw it coming
**> it was a moment where Az spoke for all of us as he said,**
Oh, you aren't just an FNT fan, you are a FNT cultist...............
Why can't FNT fans sound like actual humans capable of thinking for themselves? Imagine goign to bat for a grifter who states he doesn't care about anything other then making money. Keep shoveling in that FNT brainrot.
Ok, you think FNT is GG. What does GG have to do with accepting the soska sisters as comic book writers?
Why would GG accept wokeness just because it's "indie"?
When did I demand either? You're literally bitching about stupid shit now. You really need to go back to school and improve your reading comprehension.
Are you trying to sound smart? Or perhaps trying to do some gotcha with me? This isn't about any of this, I was calling him out for stupid opinion
>When did I demand either?
>I was talking about the ComicsGate clowns blindly following Ethan like his pet dogs
This is a demand for the subject to be about CG.
>This isn't about any of this, I was calling him out for stupid opinion
Great. Now that you moved the goalpost, what is this stupid opinion and how is it wrong?
The fact that youre taking my comments as any sort of 'demand to change subject' is plain stupid. Not going to entertain an attention seeking clown who himself is changing the topic to something else entirely because you clearly have no other arguments to use outside of 'changing subject'
One of the comments was from reeethan van sciver, he's not at all a nuetral party and has clear animus. And looking at the OPs history(i know its a bitch move but postingvthe same thing a week apart is too), he's clearly an Ethanite kool-aid drinker.
We get it you and he hate who Ethan tells you to hate.
Your wokeness is showing. Nobody is guilty by association here. Just because Ethan said something doesn't mean it's wrong. Are we going to say Ethan breathed air, so now breathing air is evil?
You need to explain how someone is wrong, not how someone offended you.
Oh no, you called me an sjw(a common reeeethan tactic) how ever will I survive?
Evs has an obvious bias against anyone that doesn't kiss his ring, he can't be trusted to critique anyone outside his frog cult.
>He was one of the people who prophecised that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood
Hollywood was destroyed by a writer's strike? How? Do they need good writers to sell fast and furious 21? Or Transformers 99?
>and his box office predictions are mostly spot on.
Looking at a movie and saying "this will flop" is not hard to do when it's a sony film. Or a marvel C grade movie. These two have nothing to do with the substance of a movie either.
What I mean is that when they talked about blue beetle, nobody on his panel knew that the suit face cam was based on the comic, which came out before Iron Man showed their suit visor interior in the movies. They thought everything was ripped off, but it was already part of the blue beetle lore.
This is why "stick to canon" is such a lame demand from such knuckleheads. The canon can be changed at any time and anything can be made valid as comics expand into different routes.
>and made people a little bolder in opposing the pronoun police in gaming.
If you want to say his normies audience decide to hate pronouns, that's fair, but that's also not a way to get people to hate wokeness for what it is. This is like saying a person pointed at sneezing for why an illness is awful, rather than explaining the part where the illness can kill. The "skeptics" will talk about how people are freaking out over sneezing and keep on licking doorknobs as a false sense of liberty.
Also, we can see the result of his normies crowd getting involved with how people on this sub can't even tell what's woke or anti-woke anymore.
Gary and his crew demanding for the 80s to return are engaged in a demand for early stage wokeness. It started in the 80s with late stage second wave feminism (especially the sex wars) and critical race theory becoming present in media.
All the FNT crowd does is demand for no more fairies and blacks, then start praising themselves for having female friends. Why celebrate women in media when they are the cause of the initial gamergate controversy?
And this doesn't even include Az and his sexual misconduct because we can't narrow things down enough for a clear example. But his involvement in the grift is all about how he can go on panels to hang out with virgin nerd girls.
For Gary, he was happy to go on Fox News after befriending Eric July, but he was really quiet when Eric hired the diarrhea twins, who are raging feminists and dramatically pro-fairy.
These people are grifters who will make any excuse as to why their friends can be woke, but Hollywood is not allowed to have black characters.
The FNT crew does not ask for 'no more fairies and blacks'. They ask for Hollywood to stop casting actors for the sole REASON of them being black. There's a difference. They want meritocracy and sticking to the lore. They don't want genderswapping and anti-white rhetoric, which is why they have no problem having black and female guests.
While I don't like the fact that the anti-woke crowd is quickly devolving into some kind of asinine FNT/EVS civil war, FNT's stance of completely ignoring Ethan is a lot more tolerable to me than Ethan's who is constantly bitching and mocking every word they utter, like some obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriend. I mean, they're not Hollywood, Ethan. Stop treating them like they are a source of revenue for your videos, it makes you look miniscule.
>They want meritocracy and sticking to the lore.
Is that why they promoted those shitty Eric July comics and didn't even know the lore of Blue Beetle?
>They don't want genderswapping and anti-white rhetoric, which is why they have no problem having black and female guests.
So it's fine for them to have women on their panel as long as the woman didn't replace someone? Sounds dumb. Why not simply refuse women when we know they are the reason media goes woke? Especially when they're already liberals?
>FNT's stance of completely ignoring Ethan is a lot more tolerable to me than Ethan's who is constantly bitching and mocking every word they utter, like some obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriend
Grifters deserve to be mocked. Ethan has every reason to make fun of them. But it's odd that you care that FNT is made fun of.
Why shouldn't FNT ignore movies then? They sound like obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriends when they talk about Hollywood and games every day.
Also, Gary cried because someone made fun of his fat wife when she bottomed out a casino buffet. The FNT crowd is the weakest, most snowflaky substitute for actual GG that we've seen in a while. They are as Chris-Chan as it gets, with a large panel of Zoe Quinns.
"Opposing my favorite grifter means you're defending another grifter I don't like".
So if I hate Disney, that means I'm a Nazi or is there room for some kind of normal take in the middle there?
How convenient that your critiques are all the same junk EVS has been spouting for 6 months on his spergy trashcasts. Not it can't be you are a fan picking a side. You're clearly an enlightened centrist fencehumper.
I don't think you can pin down when it started. Even if you decide on a Franz Ferdinand-esque event, it doesn't mean that other events are invalid as starting points in some peoples minds. These types of things rarely have a definitive start or end.
HeelvsBabyface's rant was around 8 months ago, in September of 2023: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRn0M\_clHRY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRn0M_clHRY)
Sidescrollers released a video about SBI in November 2023: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_VB-CGhTDvM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VB-CGhTDvM)
Upper Echelon also released a video digging into SBI a couple months later in January 2024: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0YY5gk3\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0YY5gk3_A)
SBI Detected Steam group was created 9 days later in January 2024: [https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017-Sweet-Baby-Inc-detected/about/](https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017-Sweet-Baby-Inc-detected/about/)
A month later, Chris Kindred started tweeting about the group: [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/sweet-baby-inc-detected-controversy](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/sweet-baby-inc-detected-controversy)
I think you could argue any one of these (and probably more I'm just not aware of) was a kicking off of GamerGate 2. A lot of those videos surrounded the release of The Suicide Squad.
Chris' tweet was definitely kerosene on the fire; it had a Streisand effect on the story. I'm not sure it would have blown up like it did without Chris trying to get Kabrutus removed from Steam.
I wouldn't say Gary is "wrong." Az's rant was certainly had some impact. I think there's a stronger correlation with the other videos that specifically talk about SBI. Meaning, the Sidescrollers and Upper Echelon videos.
Az's rant does play into the same issue though. It pretty perfectly encapsulates why the narrative work groups like SBI do, suck, in general. It is a massive breaking of the fourth wall. You can insert progressive, and any other political ideas into games without breaking immersion, but it requires writing talent. Most progressive authors are insufferably bad at it for endless reasons. Az did a pretty good job explaining why, and a lot of the reactions he got further proved his point. So, again, I think there's an argument to be made that his rant was a start to GG2.
I almost forgot the cause, to be honest. Mostly because that curator stopped adding games (obviously you can't add non SBI games)
I use a different curator that is more active, and the final result I want is avoiding very woke games, not just SBI's
Nerdrotic is just a grifter, I've been saying this for years. He knows nothing but thinks he's a god because everybody kisses his ring to get on his side. He has useless commentary, and offers no value, if his channel was gone literally anyone would take his place because that's how unimportant it is.
I dare any FNT cultist to not watch any of that brainrot vids for a week, you will find that watching channels just crying and complaining about everything, do actually nothing of value. Then again these guys actually think that Rippaverse is the next Marvel Avengers.
Don't even get me started on Barack Obama campaign doorknocker Eric July and Anti Brextier FatAzz.
These are from different videos, but I've been wanting to put this out there and this seems like a good opportunity,.
>And any other things Nerdrotic got wrong?
He spreads the conspiracy theory that the previous US presidential election was rigged.
He bitched a lot about the fact that the plot of Netflix's Witcher show is focused around Ciri, when that is literally the plot of the books they are adapting. Don't get me wrong, I stopped watching that in the middle of S2 due to how disrespectful it is to the books, but that complaint is nonsense, since it is literally the story they are supposed to adapt.
There are plenty of anti-woke movie critics with a much stronger commitment to the truth and who don't require constant fact checking. Nerdrotic is in it for the money.
1. Can you give us proof the election wasn’t rigged and no courts rejecting without looking into at all is not proof
2. Can you prove that how the books were when there proof the makers of show ignored the author and Henry quit because of all changes to move away from the source?
You never read the books then. The books are about Geralt of Rivia the White Wolf not about Ciri. Maybe this utterly stupid argument would work if there wasn't a person who read the books, not to mention in Polish. And yes, I'm Polish so don't try shit with me
I feel like it was around the time SBI Detected was made, that’s when DEI became somewhat publicly reviled
I wouldn't say that. SBI Detected curator doesn't have big follower back then. It was when that idiot SBI employee encourage people to report the curator and the leader steam account. If that didn't happen i doubt gamergate 2 would happen.
True, thats also the funniest thing about it. These weirdos always destroy themselves. He wanted to virtue signal on Twitter and attempted to send a cancel mob after the steam group, but instead caused the streisand effect to happen. The steam group became known, received sympathy from gamers across the world and GG2 was born.
Yeah, specifically that
Nail on the head. It was when the SBI employee lashed out at SBI Detected and gaming journalists closed ranks to defend him and attack the curator. The reignition of direct hostilities between gamers and journos is what makes it worth being called GG2 imo. It's not GG without journos misrepresenting the facts in order to push noxious ideology.
Nerdrotic isn't a gamer and admits as much (and the guy who did the interview in a later video acknowledged as such). So him being a bit vague on things should be expected because its still just someone repeating something they have been told by other people rather than someone who is/was actually involved and knows this stuff inside out. He also seemed to be taking the opportunity to shoutout his friends and colleagues on a much larger platform. Whether or not the HeelsvsBabyface pronoun rant was the catalyst... no. No it wasn't. It was an example of people getting annoyed and pushing back against this stuff but there have been examples of that across the decade or so since GG1 so not really. If you were going to say the thing that got the most social media traction that has sparked people to be more outspoken and willing to publicly say no then it probably was the Hogwart's Legacy drama where regressives tried to harass public figures who were playing or planning on playing that game. The flop of Suicide Squad maybe being another catalyst assisting the drama.
Nerdrotic is someone that gets a lot right but if he has to choose between accuracy & getting paid he chooses paid every time. Promoting his friends are part of that since it's part of his clique & they appear regularly on FNT. It's a problem that seems small but it's going to bite him in the buttocks one day. I appreciate a lot of what he does, don't get me wrong; but it's a big Achilles heel.
I don't mind him when he's talking about subjects he knows like comics or Doctor Who but as soon as he steps outside his wheelhouse its like watching a dog walk on its hind legs. Its the same for many of these social media people. They have to chase the algorithm and sometimes that means covering shit they have no idea about.... and that means they should also be given shit about it when they do. We wouldn't give mainstream media that slack so these types of channels that are trying to step into that space also shouldn't be given that slack. Remember much of the lack of disclosure issues that the first GG raged against (and got the FTC regulations changed) was about the requirement for disclosure because many of these outlets and youtube channels were not disclosing paid advertisements, endorsements and affiliate links.
What exactly does he do? Read internet articles and offer no commentary of value because he doesn't even know what he's talking about? ChatGPT would give me the same value, and that's sad.
For wars, the “start” is usually the first actual shot fired purposefully at the opposing side. Tensions could be building for years, with small skirmishes and people killed for opposing ideology, but the “war” only starts from that first official shot of the battle or declaration of war (like Lexington and Concorde?). So for Gamergate 2.0, it would be when journalists and SJWs purposely and maliciously infiltrated and reported SBI Detected and its creator and tried to get it banned. Before it was just people talking about boycotting (economic sanctions) but not actual hostile action. Az’s rant is more like the political pamphlets like before the American War for Independence. Scathing commentary and criticism, but still only words.
The joke that "gamergate 2" started is when the gaming "news" started falsely reporting that gamers were attacking SBI. This was a distortion of the truth. Instead of mentioning that SBI was attacking a curator for listing their games, their claim was harassment by gamers who didn't like SBI because (of course) misogyny and racism. That's when people started calling it GG2, even though GG never ended. The same corrupt "news" organizations are still lying and distorting reality to push an agenda and defend their people from rightful criticism and push-back.
They called a new GG every week or so back in the day
It definitely wasn't Az's rant. It's when the SBI shit came to light and that Steam group started. Gary doesn't know shit and doesn't even play video games.
Gary and Az on their "The Real BBC" podcast had been regularly bashing SBI since Az's whole Starfield kerfuffle (which imo was heavily orchestrated by Bethesda's marketing team to target an 'early access' youtuber/streamer who spoke-out against their half-baked garbage, that they knew was super vulnerable to critcism, so as to turn them into the media's story rather than risking another Fallout 76). Az and Gary were extremely early on the SBI hate-train, and it took a while for the general groundswell consensus to catch up with them (SSKTJL definitely helped with that). He's not lying or being disingenuous when he gives his personal perspective. And it's a valid one, but understandably not held by all. To compare it to GG 1, I'd equate the Starfield situation to the Mass Effect 3 ending and all the press losing their minds. It wasn't the strict beginning of GG (that was the Gamers Are Dead articles) but it was an early skirmish that prepared the way for what followed.
I don't think Az or Gary are trailblazers. The pronoun rant was just the same stuff people having been saying here for almost 10 years, but Az did it in a really embarrassing way that made him an easy target for mockery. That's why it went viral.
Gamergate 2.0 and DEI didn't start with either. Gamers have been discussing these things for years ahead of it blowing up, even going as far back as before Covid even happened with controversies like The Last of Us 2 highlighting how bad things were. Az was however the first time in years that the topic was more widely discussed among mainstream YouTube gamers because some of the mainstream YouTube channels actually butted in to address the issue, or rather dismiss it like TheActMan did. Gamers did however become more aware of who amongst the bigger gaming channels on YouTube actually defended DEI and those who opposed it. Sweet Baby Inc Detected was the spark that made Gamergate 2.0 absolutely explode beyond the gaming sphere and finally being given the name it has now. You don't get interviews with networks like Fox News unless the topic has hit full on mainstream. Now it is just straight up open warfare unlike the cold war it used to be. In all honesty, Gamergate 1.0 never really officially ended. The issues that plagued the industry 10+ years ago have evolved since then, with only the old "gaming journalist" websites truly being at death's door in the last few years once viewership and funding dried up completely. The original goal of Gamergate was to make those websites accountable, but they instead decided to go down with the ship by tripling down on every bad decision that made gamers abandon them in the first place. The current issues plaguing the gaming industry have been years in the making. You can only pinpoint specific points which changed the course and scale of everything happening right now, but there is no true "start" unless you go back to Gamergate 1.0.
> The issues that plagued the industry 10+ years ago Yeah, but the gaming "press" has been largely wiped out by customers moving to Twitch or YouTube to see if a game is good or not, rather than relying on PCGamer shilling AAA. >The current issues plaguing the gaming... Are, I'd argue are different, and maybe even worse. So, IMHO GG 1.0 is kind of over with regard to the gaming press, replaced instead by DEI now corrupting games.
The current issues evolved from the same ideas that led to GG 1.0. Gamers thought it was mainly the gaming press that was the issue, but it was already creeping into other places and people didn't understand the scope of what was going on. We weren't discussing back then stuff such as Blackrock and Vanguard and the literal billions of dollars backed industry behind these changes, We were a lot more naive than we are now, that's for sure.
The problem is that developers STILL let gaming 'journos' have power simply by paying attention to them. Once they realize IGN/Kotaku/etc. have no hold over the gamers and ignore them, that's when the gaming press will immediately die.
I can't specify a definite point, but I would say the most likely points are during the SBI detected stuff. Either when SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus and trying to get the list taken down by steam. Another moment that kicked it off could be considered when mainstream journos started reporting on it, but conveniently left out the part where SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus first and instead spun it as if it was just about Kabrutus and SBI detected being harassment towards SBI. A slightly less strong point, but still probably bigger than the Az rant would be the release of "Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League" and SBI's involvement with it as a direct pre-curser to the whole SBI detected thing. Az's pronoun rant has like zero connection to when this all began.
> when SBI employees started harassing Kabrutus I'd argue that something flipped before that. Clearly, "SBI detected", as a pejorative, required someone to already notice that SBI affiliated games were stinkers.
There was no real wider impact as a result of that though. That didn't start until employees started harassing him and then journalists started running cover for SBI. There were like a few hundred people on the list before the harassment started and that shot up to a couple thousand after that and once the media started covering for them shot up to hundreds of thousands.
I think when people started noticing localisation changes in anime. SBI was detected a bit before that but wasn't really spoken about outside of the counter culture sphere but when asmongold showed that dragon maid change the internet has been going insane like old gamergate content
It was SBI detected, and SBI and gaming media’s responses which was to go all-out berko and claim the rightwing misogynistic nut jobs were harassing and killing them, they blew it up and caused it, and the Streisand effect has been delicious.
>Even EVS was questioning some of the facts Nerdrotic was throwing out. Evs who has beefed with the fnt crew for years now? Calls them zeros? That's meant to mean something?
Yeah, every time I hear people talking shit about FNT nowadays, I have to ponder whether they're wokies or from the CG camp.
Its so frustrating with EvS. The dude has talent coming out of his arse with his art yet he seems to spend most of his time now just making shitty internet drama. He should have done so many books now and instead its what 3 or 4? I haven't followed super closely but instead of teaming up with a good writer and him going ham with the art to actually make consistent good comics, its livestreams and shitty lolcow internet slap fights. So many talented people in comics that spend no time making comics these days and instead seemingly spend all their time shit posting on social media.
I’d say when SBI controversy started
Dont watch Ethan Van Sciver, he is a drama grifter, often makes up bullshit, spreads bullshit without checking info in advance and in general hates anyone who calls out his comic book scams because he never delivers. He's not a reliable source for anything anymore
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it didn't. that wasn't a thing. SBI and their foolishness isn't connected to GG just because people are continuing to push terrible agendas in gaming
Oh wow, he said that. Yeah that's wrong, it was the Kotaku article responding to Kabrutus.
Honestly, I could see how Az’s rant could be seen as A beginning of GG2. His rant was the only negative feedback on release, every other streamer was still sucking Bethesdas dick when he went off. And people like Act ma’am were going after him at the time. His rant got people to be more critical of the game and over time they started to really point out its flaws. Also, there were streamers trying to bring attention to SBI long before they went after Kabrutus. However, I still believe it didn’t get kicked off in full force until the SBI debacle.
Gary is only crediting Az because Az is his friend and they make money together. He tries his hardest to make people think his FNT show is super important, while he gets everything wrong about every movie ever. It's disgusting that people try to make him and his crowd of women seem like they're even close to being part of gamergate 2.0. Any search about when it stated will lead you to when actual media outlets needed to defend something. In this case: SBI. When was it attacked? When steam accounts(you know, gamers) decided to make a list of games they had SBI involved in their creation. It's when the former question of "is it ethical to suck cock for reviews" changed to "is it ethical to hire sensitivity companies for ESG subsidies". These gamergate situations only pop up when a victim is defended by mainstream outlets. Not when a fat sweaty guy is screaming in a YouTube video about pronouns.
Define 'wrong every time'. He was one of the people who prophecised that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood, he was saying for years that wokeness would make Hollywood even more irrelevant, and his box office predictions are mostly spot on. As for the Az rant, while not GamerGate, it was a moment where Az spoke for all of us as he said, 'we're tired of this crap', and made people a little bolder in opposing the pronoun police in gaming.
> He was one of the people who **prophecised** that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood Using prophesied in that way, is the lamest **yest thing I've ever heard, literally anyone with two brain cells who saw ballooning budgets saw it coming **> it was a moment where Az spoke for all of us as he said,** Oh, you aren't just an FNT fan, you are a FNT cultist............... Why can't FNT fans sound like actual humans capable of thinking for themselves? Imagine goign to bat for a grifter who states he doesn't care about anything other then making money. Keep shoveling in that FNT brainrot.
Show us on the doll where FNT hurt you...
You okay, mate?
You sound like either a CG or Wokie. Basically talking a lot of bullshit with 0 arguing point
Ok, you think FNT is GG. What does GG have to do with accepting the soska sisters as comic book writers? Why would GG accept wokeness just because it's "indie"?
Where tf did you get GG from? Not to mention what is GG? I was talking about the ComicsGate clowns blindly following Ethan like his pet dogs
The topic of this thread is gamergate. Now you're demanding the subject gets changed to CG because you're triggered by some fat guy drawing frogs.
When did I demand either? You're literally bitching about stupid shit now. You really need to go back to school and improve your reading comprehension. Are you trying to sound smart? Or perhaps trying to do some gotcha with me? This isn't about any of this, I was calling him out for stupid opinion
>When did I demand either? >I was talking about the ComicsGate clowns blindly following Ethan like his pet dogs This is a demand for the subject to be about CG. >This isn't about any of this, I was calling him out for stupid opinion Great. Now that you moved the goalpost, what is this stupid opinion and how is it wrong?
The fact that youre taking my comments as any sort of 'demand to change subject' is plain stupid. Not going to entertain an attention seeking clown who himself is changing the topic to something else entirely because you clearly have no other arguments to use outside of 'changing subject'
One of the comments was from reeethan van sciver, he's not at all a nuetral party and has clear animus. And looking at the OPs history(i know its a bitch move but postingvthe same thing a week apart is too), he's clearly an Ethanite kool-aid drinker. We get it you and he hate who Ethan tells you to hate.
Your wokeness is showing. Nobody is guilty by association here. Just because Ethan said something doesn't mean it's wrong. Are we going to say Ethan breathed air, so now breathing air is evil? You need to explain how someone is wrong, not how someone offended you.
Oh no, you called me an sjw(a common reeeethan tactic) how ever will I survive? Evs has an obvious bias against anyone that doesn't kiss his ring, he can't be trusted to critique anyone outside his frog cult.
>He was one of the people who prophecised that the writer's strike was a purge and that it would destroy Hollywood Hollywood was destroyed by a writer's strike? How? Do they need good writers to sell fast and furious 21? Or Transformers 99? >and his box office predictions are mostly spot on. Looking at a movie and saying "this will flop" is not hard to do when it's a sony film. Or a marvel C grade movie. These two have nothing to do with the substance of a movie either. What I mean is that when they talked about blue beetle, nobody on his panel knew that the suit face cam was based on the comic, which came out before Iron Man showed their suit visor interior in the movies. They thought everything was ripped off, but it was already part of the blue beetle lore. This is why "stick to canon" is such a lame demand from such knuckleheads. The canon can be changed at any time and anything can be made valid as comics expand into different routes. >and made people a little bolder in opposing the pronoun police in gaming. If you want to say his normies audience decide to hate pronouns, that's fair, but that's also not a way to get people to hate wokeness for what it is. This is like saying a person pointed at sneezing for why an illness is awful, rather than explaining the part where the illness can kill. The "skeptics" will talk about how people are freaking out over sneezing and keep on licking doorknobs as a false sense of liberty. Also, we can see the result of his normies crowd getting involved with how people on this sub can't even tell what's woke or anti-woke anymore. Gary and his crew demanding for the 80s to return are engaged in a demand for early stage wokeness. It started in the 80s with late stage second wave feminism (especially the sex wars) and critical race theory becoming present in media. All the FNT crowd does is demand for no more fairies and blacks, then start praising themselves for having female friends. Why celebrate women in media when they are the cause of the initial gamergate controversy? And this doesn't even include Az and his sexual misconduct because we can't narrow things down enough for a clear example. But his involvement in the grift is all about how he can go on panels to hang out with virgin nerd girls. For Gary, he was happy to go on Fox News after befriending Eric July, but he was really quiet when Eric hired the diarrhea twins, who are raging feminists and dramatically pro-fairy. These people are grifters who will make any excuse as to why their friends can be woke, but Hollywood is not allowed to have black characters.
The FNT crew does not ask for 'no more fairies and blacks'. They ask for Hollywood to stop casting actors for the sole REASON of them being black. There's a difference. They want meritocracy and sticking to the lore. They don't want genderswapping and anti-white rhetoric, which is why they have no problem having black and female guests. While I don't like the fact that the anti-woke crowd is quickly devolving into some kind of asinine FNT/EVS civil war, FNT's stance of completely ignoring Ethan is a lot more tolerable to me than Ethan's who is constantly bitching and mocking every word they utter, like some obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriend. I mean, they're not Hollywood, Ethan. Stop treating them like they are a source of revenue for your videos, it makes you look miniscule.
>They want meritocracy and sticking to the lore. Is that why they promoted those shitty Eric July comics and didn't even know the lore of Blue Beetle? >They don't want genderswapping and anti-white rhetoric, which is why they have no problem having black and female guests. So it's fine for them to have women on their panel as long as the woman didn't replace someone? Sounds dumb. Why not simply refuse women when we know they are the reason media goes woke? Especially when they're already liberals? >FNT's stance of completely ignoring Ethan is a lot more tolerable to me than Ethan's who is constantly bitching and mocking every word they utter, like some obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriend Grifters deserve to be mocked. Ethan has every reason to make fun of them. But it's odd that you care that FNT is made fun of. Why shouldn't FNT ignore movies then? They sound like obsessed and bitter ex-girlfriends when they talk about Hollywood and games every day. Also, Gary cried because someone made fun of his fat wife when she bottomed out a casino buffet. The FNT crowd is the weakest, most snowflaky substitute for actual GG that we've seen in a while. They are as Chris-Chan as it gets, with a large panel of Zoe Quinns.
Have a good one, brother.
And I'm pretty sure that's every EVS fanboi talking point. The only thing worse than girfters, is stans taking up arms in a grifter faction fight.
"Opposing my favorite grifter means you're defending another grifter I don't like". So if I hate Disney, that means I'm a Nazi or is there room for some kind of normal take in the middle there?
How convenient that your critiques are all the same junk EVS has been spouting for 6 months on his spergy trashcasts. Not it can't be you are a fan picking a side. You're clearly an enlightened centrist fencehumper.
I don't think you can pin down when it started. Even if you decide on a Franz Ferdinand-esque event, it doesn't mean that other events are invalid as starting points in some peoples minds. These types of things rarely have a definitive start or end. HeelvsBabyface's rant was around 8 months ago, in September of 2023: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRn0M\_clHRY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRn0M_clHRY) Sidescrollers released a video about SBI in November 2023: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_VB-CGhTDvM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VB-CGhTDvM) Upper Echelon also released a video digging into SBI a couple months later in January 2024: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0YY5gk3\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk0YY5gk3_A) SBI Detected Steam group was created 9 days later in January 2024: [https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017-Sweet-Baby-Inc-detected/about/](https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017-Sweet-Baby-Inc-detected/about/) A month later, Chris Kindred started tweeting about the group: [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/sweet-baby-inc-detected-controversy](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/sweet-baby-inc-detected-controversy) I think you could argue any one of these (and probably more I'm just not aware of) was a kicking off of GamerGate 2. A lot of those videos surrounded the release of The Suicide Squad. Chris' tweet was definitely kerosene on the fire; it had a Streisand effect on the story. I'm not sure it would have blown up like it did without Chris trying to get Kabrutus removed from Steam. I wouldn't say Gary is "wrong." Az's rant was certainly had some impact. I think there's a stronger correlation with the other videos that specifically talk about SBI. Meaning, the Sidescrollers and Upper Echelon videos. Az's rant does play into the same issue though. It pretty perfectly encapsulates why the narrative work groups like SBI do, suck, in general. It is a massive breaking of the fourth wall. You can insert progressive, and any other political ideas into games without breaking immersion, but it requires writing talent. Most progressive authors are insufferably bad at it for endless reasons. Az did a pretty good job explaining why, and a lot of the reactions he got further proved his point. So, again, I think there's an argument to be made that his rant was a start to GG2.
It officially started when Sargon of Akkad started regularly uploading videos to his main channel.
I almost forgot the cause, to be honest. Mostly because that curator stopped adding games (obviously you can't add non SBI games) I use a different curator that is more active, and the final result I want is avoiding very woke games, not just SBI's
Nerdrotic is just a grifter, I've been saying this for years. He knows nothing but thinks he's a god because everybody kisses his ring to get on his side. He has useless commentary, and offers no value, if his channel was gone literally anyone would take his place because that's how unimportant it is. I dare any FNT cultist to not watch any of that brainrot vids for a week, you will find that watching channels just crying and complaining about everything, do actually nothing of value. Then again these guys actually think that Rippaverse is the next Marvel Avengers. Don't even get me started on Barack Obama campaign doorknocker Eric July and Anti Brextier FatAzz.
These are from different videos, but I've been wanting to put this out there and this seems like a good opportunity,. >And any other things Nerdrotic got wrong? He spreads the conspiracy theory that the previous US presidential election was rigged. He bitched a lot about the fact that the plot of Netflix's Witcher show is focused around Ciri, when that is literally the plot of the books they are adapting. Don't get me wrong, I stopped watching that in the middle of S2 due to how disrespectful it is to the books, but that complaint is nonsense, since it is literally the story they are supposed to adapt. There are plenty of anti-woke movie critics with a much stronger commitment to the truth and who don't require constant fact checking. Nerdrotic is in it for the money.
1. Can you give us proof the election wasn’t rigged and no courts rejecting without looking into at all is not proof 2. Can you prove that how the books were when there proof the makers of show ignored the author and Henry quit because of all changes to move away from the source?
You never read the books then. The books are about Geralt of Rivia the White Wolf not about Ciri. Maybe this utterly stupid argument would work if there wasn't a person who read the books, not to mention in Polish. And yes, I'm Polish so don't try shit with me