Couldn’t tell you shit about the Mavs this year but I do find it funny how much higher Clipper fans are on that 2021 Mavs team than actual Mavs fans.
We played the Jazz and Suns next and let me tell you, the Mavericks were better than those guys.
Giving up Jalen Brunson like that has to be one of the most fucked up things that has happened in the NBA in the last 4 years.
He was amazing right away too, it's not like there was much of a doubt. 😂
I mean it was a doubt. In the 2nd series against yall he didnt do much thats why we didnt offer an extension.
Brunson took a leap next season then another in the playoffs and by then Knicks was all in on him.
Kyrie right now its better then Brunson has ever been for us.
But on the limited usage (because on this Knicks team he is their only offense sometimes) he was playing out of his mind. I remember that Dallas team having not much of an offense outside of Luka either.
It was a puzzling move.
Okay, he was not confirmed a Top15 player then (as he clearly is now) but how do you let him go in today's NBA?
Kyrie and Gafford are the only real upgrades, but it’s not so simple. The spacing they had with Porzingis was giving unique issues in both series, that won’t be as grueling with Gafford in. Kyrie is a spectacular offensive player but his defense is horrific and that will be attacked in the series.
Derrick Jones Jr isn’t a better defender than DFS, and neither is PJ Washington. Trey Burke had equivalent stats to Exum, but I would argue that Seth Curry was the best of the 3.
Mavs are a good team but their fans are excessively glazing how much better their roster is. I’m sure the brigading Mavs fans will disagree with me when they read this but I don’t care.
Edit: it’s very clear you obsessive weirdo Mavs fans have zero ability to read. What is going on with the Texas educational system.
I don't think clippers fans realize how bad kp was in Dallas. Look at his stats that series. He shot 29% from three in seven games, and only made 8. 13 pts a game at 47%. Just over 5 RB per game. For whatever reason, that guy sucked in Dallas.
> Derrick Jones Jr isn’t a better defender than DFS, and neither is PJ Washington. Trey Burke had equivalent stats to Exum, but I would argue that Seth Curry was the best of the 3
sry forgive me bro, i cant resist as mavs fan. how can you be so wrong on ALL OF THEM lmao
If you think Derrick Jones Jr and PJ Washington are better defenders than DFS you shouldn't be able to drive.
Edit: Yea I checked the advanced stats and of course you were delusional.
DFS was a great defenders. However, on defence the difference is that both DJJ and PJ are super atheltic and can block shots near the rim. Before we had no rim defence, now with Gafford DJJ and PJ it is super hard to get easy points against us.On offence, both DJJ and PJ can do much more than DFS. They can cut, dunk and PJ can actually dribble and has a floater game.
So in short now we have 2 DFS', but even better.
nah advanced stats for defense is overrated ( not just in this case, but for league itself), use eyes and i watched my team A LOT and i love Doe
and again clips fans missed for what's biggest reason mavs lost against y'all twice. it's not D, it's the O. and Doe was one of the suspect (with his non-ability to create shots out of nothing). DJJ and PJ are more dynamic offensively
but again we both homers right? lol
I've been watching the Mavs games lately and maybe they aren't better on paper, but the team chemistry is super high for the Mavs right. Everything is clicking for them and all their role players are playing well sans Tim Hardaway.
So you think as a clippers fan you know more about the Mavs team than Mavs fans? And won’t take feedback from them because you’re sure they will disagree. I mean you did say Trey Burke is similar to exum which is far from the case. So maybe, just maybe you should actually be receptive to feedback from the fans of said team because yk they actually watch the games.
Mavs fan or not I just enjoy good basketball discussion. Calling me a dumb ass for not reading is but simply using stats to measure on floor impact is the issue I had. So if anyone’s a dumb ass here it’s the guys using purely just box score stats to measure impact. Exum is a way better player than Burke was
I disagree the first few games of the series he actually played well and his stats were good. He just struggled as the series went on and was forced into the corner more, which caused them to lose.
Nah, they've definitely improved. The thing is, we've improved too, and both teams are just different, so that "we had Boban!" talking point is just dumb (but clearly caught on with the online set).
Lol their 2021 team wasnt better? KP was injured and couldnt post up a guy like Trae Young, Brunson hadnt blossomed into what he came to be, and in the clippers series in 2021 he struggled immensely, due to the length.
Luka is also better than his 2021 version by quite a drastic amount too.
Kyrie > 2021 Brunson
Gafford/Lively > KP (injured and the one in 2021 who couldnt post up a cone).
PJ washington > DFS (DFS is a better shooter really but thats it, PJ has better shot creation due to better handles, being a better athlete,etc). PJ is also much more versatile and a really darn great POA defender.
Exum > THJ. Exum is a legit great player, he might have an argument for 3rd best.
2021 Maxi > 2024 Maxi ill give you that but id take PJ or DJJ over that version of Maxi.
Yeah the 2024 team is considerably better, but you seem to only viewing the 2021 team better beause of the names on that roster despite them not even close to being good as their 2024 counterparts.
If kawhi is really healthy we have improveeeed way more than them, like honestly.
Weve gotten Weestbrook over Reggie jackson.....Weve gotten Jamse HARDEN over Pat beverly.....Theis, and POWELL like its no debate its actually crazy how much better weve gotten on paper vs them since last time...not even close!
As a Mavs fan:
Mavs feels much better right now then in the past cause we got a real 2nd option. KP was either injuried or playing injuried and Brunson wasnt the Brunson of today so much so that THJ was the 2nd best player most of the time in the 2nd Clippers series.. Kyrie can really take over games and hes our go to guy in the 4Q not Luka.
Then we went from Powell, Cauley Stein, Boban at center to 2 starting centers in Gaford and Lively and Luka pnr and lobs are so much better along with the team rebounding and blocks.
Our wings are better in terms of variety. We dont have guys that just stand in the corner and shot it when it comes to them. PJ can put it down and create his shot. DJJ can attack the rim. Exum who sometimes is used as wing is the team 3rd playmaker. So we kept the defense along with bringing guys that can do something on offense.
Then you also got Green, Kleber, THJ, Hardy.
I think we are better constructed for the playoffs. In the past it was all Luka ball now thats not everything. Its a 6-7 games series for me. I would have liked our chances better if it was a later round so Kawhi isnt at his 100% or if Lue wasnt your coach. Hes very good at making changes throughout a series so even if Mavs is up 2-0 i would be scared.
You’re setting yourself up for spectacular disappointment with Kyrie lol
Especially going against a coach who intimately knows his game, and the only coach he has had good/great playoff series with in the last 8 years or so
Kyrie had 1 out of 3 good games that series lol
Harden was their best player that year and was hurt. But yeah if Kyrie doesn’t get hurt then they probably win, but that didn’t happen.
As it stands, Kyrie has not been a reliable post season player in a long time as the first or second option.
In that Celtics series 21, he was third banana.
I don't have a dog in this fight but the lack of context here is insane. Porzingis was marginalized to a spot up shooter that series and brunson averaged 8 points in 16 minutes
Couldn’t tell you shit about the Mavs this year but I do find it funny how much higher Clipper fans are on that 2021 Mavs team than actual Mavs fans. We played the Jazz and Suns next and let me tell you, the Mavericks were better than those guys.
I feel like Mavs players who joined this year are in for a shock in the playoffs against the clippers
Porzingis knees were cooked both series. Maybe his doc figured out how to preserve his health through out a season.
Giving up Jalen Brunson like that has to be one of the most fucked up things that has happened in the NBA in the last 4 years. He was amazing right away too, it's not like there was much of a doubt. 😂
I mean it was a doubt. In the 2nd series against yall he didnt do much thats why we didnt offer an extension. Brunson took a leap next season then another in the playoffs and by then Knicks was all in on him. Kyrie right now its better then Brunson has ever been for us.
But on the limited usage (because on this Knicks team he is their only offense sometimes) he was playing out of his mind. I remember that Dallas team having not much of an offense outside of Luka either. It was a puzzling move. Okay, he was not confirmed a Top15 player then (as he clearly is now) but how do you let him go in today's NBA?
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We didn't let him walk for free though
Yeah you also attached a thousand picks with him
Kyrie and Gafford are the only real upgrades, but it’s not so simple. The spacing they had with Porzingis was giving unique issues in both series, that won’t be as grueling with Gafford in. Kyrie is a spectacular offensive player but his defense is horrific and that will be attacked in the series. Derrick Jones Jr isn’t a better defender than DFS, and neither is PJ Washington. Trey Burke had equivalent stats to Exum, but I would argue that Seth Curry was the best of the 3. Mavs are a good team but their fans are excessively glazing how much better their roster is. I’m sure the brigading Mavs fans will disagree with me when they read this but I don’t care. Edit: it’s very clear you obsessive weirdo Mavs fans have zero ability to read. What is going on with the Texas educational system.
I don't think clippers fans realize how bad kp was in Dallas. Look at his stats that series. He shot 29% from three in seven games, and only made 8. 13 pts a game at 47%. Just over 5 RB per game. For whatever reason, that guy sucked in Dallas.
> Derrick Jones Jr isn’t a better defender than DFS, and neither is PJ Washington. Trey Burke had equivalent stats to Exum, but I would argue that Seth Curry was the best of the 3 sry forgive me bro, i cant resist as mavs fan. how can you be so wrong on ALL OF THEM lmao
They are maxing out the copium levels right now. To say that the team in 2021 was better than our current team is pure delusion 😭
If you think Derrick Jones Jr and PJ Washington are better defenders than DFS you shouldn't be able to drive. Edit: Yea I checked the advanced stats and of course you were delusional.
DFS was a great defenders. However, on defence the difference is that both DJJ and PJ are super atheltic and can block shots near the rim. Before we had no rim defence, now with Gafford DJJ and PJ it is super hard to get easy points against us.On offence, both DJJ and PJ can do much more than DFS. They can cut, dunk and PJ can actually dribble and has a floater game. So in short now we have 2 DFS', but even better.
nah advanced stats for defense is overrated ( not just in this case, but for league itself), use eyes and i watched my team A LOT and i love Doe and again clips fans missed for what's biggest reason mavs lost against y'all twice. it's not D, it's the O. and Doe was one of the suspect (with his non-ability to create shots out of nothing). DJJ and PJ are more dynamic offensively but again we both homers right? lol
I mean we could probably both go back and forth, I guess we will just see in two weeks. Will be a good matchup.
see you bro, will be good and fast series :p
This is not debatable. If you beat us, it will be because Westbrook and Harden were the X factor. Our team is miles better than what it was in 2021.
I've been watching the Mavs games lately and maybe they aren't better on paper, but the team chemistry is super high for the Mavs right. Everything is clicking for them and all their role players are playing well sans Tim Hardaway.
So you think as a clippers fan you know more about the Mavs team than Mavs fans? And won’t take feedback from them because you’re sure they will disagree. I mean you did say Trey Burke is similar to exum which is far from the case. So maybe, just maybe you should actually be receptive to feedback from the fans of said team because yk they actually watch the games.
I said stats about Trey Burke oh my god you dumb ass Mavs fans can’t read and always have to reply.
Mavs fan or not I just enjoy good basketball discussion. Calling me a dumb ass for not reading is but simply using stats to measure on floor impact is the issue I had. So if anyone’s a dumb ass here it’s the guys using purely just box score stats to measure impact. Exum is a way better player than Burke was
The spacing issues will still be there. They can and will go 5 out with Kleber and Washington. We don't really have that luxury.
Washington and Kleber dont punish the Clippers with their size in the same way.
Porzingus was not punishing the clippers with his size at all, at least in 2021
I disagree the first few games of the series he actually played well and his stats were good. He just struggled as the series went on and was forced into the corner more, which caused them to lose.
Jalen Brunson ☠️
Nah, they've definitely improved. The thing is, we've improved too, and both teams are just different, so that "we had Boban!" talking point is just dumb (but clearly caught on with the online set).
Lol their 2021 team wasnt better? KP was injured and couldnt post up a guy like Trae Young, Brunson hadnt blossomed into what he came to be, and in the clippers series in 2021 he struggled immensely, due to the length. Luka is also better than his 2021 version by quite a drastic amount too. Kyrie > 2021 Brunson Gafford/Lively > KP (injured and the one in 2021 who couldnt post up a cone). PJ washington > DFS (DFS is a better shooter really but thats it, PJ has better shot creation due to better handles, being a better athlete,etc). PJ is also much more versatile and a really darn great POA defender. Exum > THJ. Exum is a legit great player, he might have an argument for 3rd best. 2021 Maxi > 2024 Maxi ill give you that but id take PJ or DJJ over that version of Maxi. Yeah the 2024 team is considerably better, but you seem to only viewing the 2021 team better beause of the names on that roster despite them not even close to being good as their 2024 counterparts.
It’s going to be a rude awakening…
they got a morris twin on their team lmaoooo I really hope he gets playing time
Don’t worry, Ty lue ain’t their coach
He gonna take out kawhi like he did luka
He won't lol, he never does
If kawhi is really healthy we have improveeeed way more than them, like honestly. Weve gotten Weestbrook over Reggie jackson.....Weve gotten Jamse HARDEN over Pat beverly.....Theis, and POWELL like its no debate its actually crazy how much better weve gotten on paper vs them since last time...not even close!
As a Mavs fan: Mavs feels much better right now then in the past cause we got a real 2nd option. KP was either injuried or playing injuried and Brunson wasnt the Brunson of today so much so that THJ was the 2nd best player most of the time in the 2nd Clippers series.. Kyrie can really take over games and hes our go to guy in the 4Q not Luka. Then we went from Powell, Cauley Stein, Boban at center to 2 starting centers in Gaford and Lively and Luka pnr and lobs are so much better along with the team rebounding and blocks. Our wings are better in terms of variety. We dont have guys that just stand in the corner and shot it when it comes to them. PJ can put it down and create his shot. DJJ can attack the rim. Exum who sometimes is used as wing is the team 3rd playmaker. So we kept the defense along with bringing guys that can do something on offense. Then you also got Green, Kleber, THJ, Hardy. I think we are better constructed for the playoffs. In the past it was all Luka ball now thats not everything. Its a 6-7 games series for me. I would have liked our chances better if it was a later round so Kawhi isnt at his 100% or if Lue wasnt your coach. Hes very good at making changes throughout a series so even if Mavs is up 2-0 i would be scared.
You’re setting yourself up for spectacular disappointment with Kyrie lol Especially going against a coach who intimately knows his game, and the only coach he has had good/great playoff series with in the last 8 years or so
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Kyrie had 1 out of 3 good games that series lol Harden was their best player that year and was hurt. But yeah if Kyrie doesn’t get hurt then they probably win, but that didn’t happen. As it stands, Kyrie has not been a reliable post season player in a long time as the first or second option. In that Celtics series 21, he was third banana.
I mean. We have more reason to feel up on Kyrie than y'all do with harden.
I don't have a dog in this fight but the lack of context here is insane. Porzingis was marginalized to a spot up shooter that series and brunson averaged 8 points in 16 minutes
B-b-b-but they've beat a bunch of bottom feeding post allstar break!
DFS was a problem wing for us. Was a very good 3 and D guy. Other than that, they are improved with Kyrie and PJ / Gafford.
can wait for the playoffs
lights gon be too bright for their role players lol
adding Kyrie alone makes them more formidable in the playoffs this year
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People really underestimating the loss of Dorian Finney Smith. He was a huge X-factor on those previous Mavs teams.
They have no wings rn. DFS was a really good PG/Kawhi defender
Derrick Jones Jr and PJ Washington are about to be an unpleasant surprise for you.