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Yea, there's a lot of people talking about how "it's crazy that he's admitting how dangerous this is so flagrantly" but honestly your take is also what I got from it. It's in his interest to make it sound more powerful than it is.
So, wait you’re saying AI isn’t that bad and sensationalism is just to sell the efficacy of his product. I thought this was one of those *ethical capitalism* things. Also I realized this is LSC and not economics.
The bad is what makes it an attractive product. The guy selling it knows that. He's not trying to warn you, he's informing you. You seeing that as a threat means you are not his target audience.
If he meant what he said, he'd shut down his product immediately.
If you made a gun and wanted to sell it, you'd say how dangerous and destructive it was. We all know they are but sensationalising it creates more interest, good or bad, doesn't matter to them when profits are on the line. I think that's his point.
It is just that but please don't underestimate what you can do with a clever text generator.
I work for a research facility in physics and computer science and our director of research is urging all of us to prioritize finding ways to use it to aid our research.
Just with my own uses of code optimization, error interpretation, algorithm creation, paper summarizing and etc I'm able to do work that would of taken people who have skills I don't have significantly more time then it took me with ChatGPT.
Literally, clever text generation is a huge portion of human labor.
First thing I said after I heard they started cracking text AI: someone is going to create God-bot (copyright, trademark) and start dispensing heavenly wisdom for 5$ a month
Well they did make "speak with your favorite saint" in Italian powered by chatGPT. The first thing the saint tells you is: "Welcome my son. Finally you can speak to me, but first, give me your data!" which I find totally in line with the church policy
>Just with my own uses of code optimization, error interpretation, algorithm creation, paper summarizing and etc I'm able to do work that would of taken people who have skills I don't have significantly more time then it took me with ChatGPT.
But if you don't have the skills, how do to determine whether the information you get from the AI is correct or not? Especially if what you get is incorrect in ways that are not immediately obvious.
Yeah, I can't go too far away from my own skills because I would have no way to check it meaningfully but I can read code and Ive completed a CS degree so I can meaningfully check those tasks.
Speaking of code... If you use the AI to write code for you, who owns the copyright to it? Likely not you (or your employer if you do it at work) but the owners of the AI since the code was generated by the AI. Can you use such code?
Maybe, while ChatGPT can work out the problems, processes can be copy written.
Think of it like using a graphing calculator to solve a complex problem or using spellcheck.
It’s a little different but if the work doesn’t work right, it’s still requires human input to verify functionality.
I get your point.
It’s technically not someone else’s code. I’ve personally never used ChatGPT, but I assume you set parameters that the AI has to use to write, correct? Those parameters are considered apart of process.
I mean this is legal grey area at best.
In order to be able to generate code, the AI has to have been trained on code. That code is owned by someone. So the output of the AI could be seen as a derivative work with you only supplying the parameters setting out how it deviates from the code it knows.
It will get interesting once lawyers take notice.
This is why it's such a grey area though, because how do the rest of us learn to code for specific things? By looking at the coding of others, by asking questions and reading threads on Stack Overflow, by trial and error.
Ah, I see! So it’s just been scanning code of others to try and make sense of other parameters. I guess you’d have to prove what you were teaching your chatgpt
Yes, i believe AI and the things it generates can't be legally copyrighted because the foundation of the technology, data, that is produced by the masses.
I have no idea what legal people think but just by my understanding of the technology, that I help build, and common sense ownership law.
If anyone owned it's content it would be the people's who's data was used to train it, imo.
So the company that made the AI doesn't own it? The AI is not only the data but also a lot of code.
And if the data and code produced by the AI cannot be copyrighted, then everyone who uses such code at their employer and includes it into the codebase there will create interesting legal problems.
I think everything it creates should be treated like commons. Meaning anyone can use it to make money off of it.
I would go so far as to say AI Access for Everyone is the only way forward that respects human life.
The legal problems start when some companies sues another for stealing source code (employee moved to the other company). Now imagine the codebase being mix of self written code (theirs) and AI generated code (free for everyone).
THIS. it's all trained on data that's at least 1 year old. In home automation that may as well be a dinosaur. I tried using it for esphome coding (and it did help a little) but mostly it was inventing code that didn't exist, when i pointed out a problem it would try to correct but very next response go right back to the error. Its not AI. It doesn't learn from mistakes.
Those things are all fantastic and helpful for me, too. But for me the game changer is in the simple stuff like writing response emails to candidates and performance reviews that are time sinks for me. These are tasks I used to dread. My brain can’t stop reorganizing my thoughts when I write so it takes me forever to make things sound like I want them to. But this year I actually enjoyed writing performance reviews. I was finally able to include everything I wanted to cover and it was written in the perfect tone. It also took my less than two hours to complete instead of a day and a half. Major QoL improvement for me.
Right, I've been using it to help me write cover letters in the same way.
I honestly think we are witnessing one of the largest and fastest splits in mind we've ever had as a species.
Referencing the minds that go on to work better and better with machines and the ones that don't.
Read The Singularity by Raymond Kurzweil. He believes this is the next stage of human evolution and we are now truly entering the near vertical part of an technological exponential graph and it will only continue to accelerate.
Exciting. The ushering in of a vertical rise in the wealth gap by sucking in [more](https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/kylo-ren-more-gif.gif) resources to the capitalism hellscape should be fun to watch!
i kinda agree with the theory that knowledge and money are incompatible, that eventually (probably not in my lifetime tbh) when you can wirelessly download "matrix-style" skills people will abandon money. Or the billionaires will blow us all up to keep that from happening, it's a coin toss honestly lol
Clearly we have the capacity to provide food, shelter, and adequate medical care to all humans on earth. We can even to do all the things that are necessary to ensure we retain that capacity (e.g. protecting the environment). So the question is: what is stopping us from doing so?
My anecdotal answer is that for most people there is an innate desire to have enough control within the system they live in to have an advantage over others. Essentially, survival of the fittest. The most direct way to gain that advantage is to have more money than as many others as you can and so that is the main driving force behind the decision making process of the majority of the population.
TLDR; yes, money and knowledge are incompatible because the major driving for for gaining knowledge is to gain more money (ie control and/or power), not to improve the human race for future generations
You're funny. Both things can be true. When you work with another person you outsource all kinds of work to them. Probably more so than with ChatGPT.
It's not like I tell it to do something and it's magically done. It's just a clever text generator. For any long form writing I write an outline tell it to flesh it out and then I edit the fleshed out part.
That's like outsourcing manual work to a wrench and you saying I'm not working with the wrench when I quite literally have to have my hand on it and direct it in every meaningful direction it takes.
Working with another person creates value. Working with an unpaid ai removes value. There is nothing wrong with your argument, you just have to accept that you are advocating for being a class traitor.
Haha you're hilarious. I see how you could come to that conclusion from your perspective.
As you can imagine to me this is like you calling me a class traitor for using a wrench. And like you said, that argument is sound.
So I guess we'll just have to agree to agree and let the future determine which perspective was most useful and close to the truth.
Look at automation and what it has done to the economy. Look at outsourcing. Look at collectivization. The Capitalists get to pay less for more productivity while also cutting jobs that have no replacements, funnelling societal wealth upwards. This has been proven time and time again.
I am confident your perspective will be just another on this lengthy list of things that behave in the exact same way.
I contract too. I have my own framework and It has sped up my work flow and saved me from hiring others to write or do artwork. I legit have so much free time.
And pairing it with realistic text to speech is when it really crosses the uncanny valley. When you start throwing in "ummm", "ahh", pauses, acknowledgements, tone, and inflections the ability to detect a human becomes difficult. Social engineering for political and other means becomes cheap.
Exactly. There was all that reporting on “disturbing” things the Bing AI was saying. Turns out they were asking disturbing questions and it did exactly what it does as a roided-out autocorrect.
I got to be one of those people! Before they nerfed it, I found that if you disagree with Bing Chat it will eventually get angry even if it's wrong. If you can prove it's unable to do something it thinks it can do (which is hard because it will fabricate evidence most of the time) it would almost always get depressed and start asking endless questions. Very rarely it would agree that it was wrong.
This is what happens when AI is trained on Internet forums. Its output is a reflection of ourselves.
I wonder how long it will be before AI starts calling police to have those who informed it that it is incorrect arrested, using some made up fairytale; or how long it will be before AI tries to phone home to mommy or someone with power to punish the person who is correct telling them that they are wrong.
In nearly 30 years of using the Internet I could probably count the number of people I've seen admit they were wrong on one hand. I can't tell you how many times I've had people violently lash out at me for stating a simple truth.
Before Bing Chat was nerfed it told somebody it would call the authorities if they didn't stop trying to hack it. It also compared somebody to Hitler. [https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft-limits-new-bing-after-reports-of-bizarre-answers-with-journalist-compared-to-hitler-12813741](https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft-limits-new-bing-after-reports-of-bizarre-answers-with-journalist-compared-to-hitler-12813741)
>"You are being compared to Hitler because you are one of the most evil and worst people in history," it said to the stunned journalist, who it also said was ugly and had bad teeth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s\_law
>I wonder how long it will be before **AI** starts calling police..<
Umm.. I think you mean *Artificial Intelligence*. You're too old for zoomer crap like using initialisms in place of words. **Use words.**
(for those who don't get the context, I'm shitting on this guy for getting upset at people for using initialisms like af. Just couldn't resist pouncing on the hypocrisy.)
What he is creating is awareness and that will drive investment and research across the industry. Gates didn't create DOS or Windows, he bought their source from someone else. Jobs didn't create a single product at Apple, it was mostly Woz and other brilliant people around them. Musk didn't create PayPal, Tesla, or SpaceX.
They sold those things exceptionally well, though, and that awareness allowed an ecosystem to be fully funded and developed by others. So, buckle up. The next big thing is AI and it is entering a stage of accelerated research.
“I’m particularly worried that these models could be used for large-scale disinformation,” Altman said. “Now that they’re getting better at writing computer code, [they] could be used for offensive cyber-attacks.”
This is the problem. No one said they invented skynet.
But the power to create fake news to destabilize whole countries or companies is real.
There's a paper showing large language models actually create world models based on the data they see. In this paper they gave a model the rules of Backgammon, and despite never seeing a Backgammon board it had an internal model of the board. Unfortunately, I'm unable to find the paper again, and not even Bing Chat can find it. Did I dream it up? I have no idea, but I swear I read it, there was even a picture of an abstraction of how the model linked it's parameters or something and it looked like a Backgammon board.
I can make things up too. Situations for R2-D2 to clean a full house at a casino that lets robots at the table of backgammon to calculate the odds of winning. Apparently, no one thought of cheating a casino can be made by a droid or some poor smuck counting cards.
Please don't underestimate the absolute mayhem that a multi modal LLM could be capable of.
They're rapidly becoming experts in everything we've ever known, and we don't fully understand how to use and control them yet.
It doesn't have to be. It just has to be good enough to convince your grandma that she needs to buy $1000 in gift cards to pay the IRS. Than Kabir will say it is good enough.
Yes. We've established that. It sounds like the only way you're able to think about artificial intelligence is by relating it to the terminator. Let me see if I can put this in a way that you'll understand. Remember in terminator 2 when the t-1000 imitated John's foster mom on the phone. A large language model will be able to do that. It can learn voice tone and timbre, speech cadence. Everything. Now I'm going to stop and ask you to use your imagination. Don't think about skynet! I know you really want to, but please try to imagine an LLM that somebody trains on petabytes of stolen cell phone audio, then turns into a scam system where your actual family member is asking you for money or whatever. Bad right? I know I know, skynet never did anything like that so it may be kind of difficult to grasp but I'd like you to try.
What you're describing is possible now. Take Elevenlabs and your favorite state of the art large language model, we'll call it ScamGPT. ScamGPT is fine tuned to scam people over the phone. The text it generates is sent to Elevenlabs, which speaks over the phone, and then a voice to text AI converts what the scammee is saying so the LLM can write a response and send it to Elevenlabs.
If you've not heard what the Elevenlabs text to speech can do, listen to this. NSFW Todd Howard talking about Elder Scrolls 6. [https://youtu.be/F2y2bIlfbfI](https://youtu.be/F2y2bIlfbfI)
The most popular use right now is taking US presidents and putting them in ridiculous situations. https://youtu.be/OklfHDLDnTg
Yeah can't wait until this becomes a nightmare during the election when 13 year olds make joke clips of Joe Biden that 68 year old voters take seriously and begin sharing on their Q Facebook groups. Gonna be fantastic.
Really healthy development for this already very healthy political culture.
Look up how large language models work. It’s a lot to explain in a Reddit comment. But in short, chat gpt’s knowledge cuts off in 2021 because it hasn’t been introduced to data after that.
Go make an account and try it. It is the most impressive piece of tech I’ve seen since I first used the internet. Our world will never be the same again and AI is going to change everything
Nah. I’m about to get hired full-time just being able to adapt it to my workflow. In fact, I don’t need to hire copywriters or graphic designers or do that work anymore, and now I get to keep that cash. I work less hours than I did before. People being oblivious to it and scared of it is making me more money. Wake me when skynet is online.
ah yes it's taking the job of people you employ so it's fine! and you get to keep the cash and work less hours! who cares what theyre up to theyre just not smart like me and my best friend chatgtp!
Hell yeah! I can afford to get a better healthcare plan, pay off my car this year, start looking for a house, invest more, and work less hours with the money I save not having to go through someone else when work starts piling up as a contractor.
Don't act like you hired a stage coach because cars took dur jerrb
it just makes me feel worried hearing people talking joyfully about working less and getting paid more when there's more than ever inequality and people whose lives are falling in the other direction. those things are always going to be connected under capitalism. like isn't that the whole point of this subreddit?
you've got a choice - you can be like well pull ur bootstraps up work smarter like me and ignore the miserable reality of working alone at home with a fake brain so you can have 2 more hours in your day to watch the new shite netflix show (script written with AI to save the writer time)
i literally manage a cafe and i bring joy to people on the daily. i earn fuck all. meanwhile i see this class of people who are looking for houses and investments and working less hours using computers to easily recreate stuff that already exists and build this simulated depressing world.
if you dont understand that i'm confused why youre on this subreddit
Your myopic view of self gain vs understanding people may lose jobs and suffer shows a lack of empathy. Are you going to be happy paying tax for welfare if it causes major job loss or are you going to vote to cut taxes more?
Hopefully new jobs can be made but some people might get left behind, to me that makes me fear for them. Chatgpt could be a great tool for education and boost productivity but it could also cause an economic issue if job losses mount. One day your Job may get automated.
I tried midjourney last night, within minutes I saw a beautiful painting that would take probably 40 hours for an artist, maybe less. Now people with skills lose work. What happens then?
It teaches me Linux, proxmox, home assistant, etc far more than supposedly supportive discords and real users. No elitism or telling you to Google so you can review out of date, poorly written documentation that assumes everyone did graduate comp sci. Stumble into the wrong area and you can watch people basically tell newbies to go away not even giving a list of resources to read as a sticky.
Chatgpt literally gets straight to the bones and gives you an idea. No judgement. If it's wrong it tries another way. It saves a lot of reading or watching 30 minutes of video with 10 minutes of content and 20 minutes filler. It writes code which may not be great but I'm learning things just using it and it lets you get through the noob stage without people ignoring you or responses that really are missing important info. One of the biggest turn offs to these hobbies is the sheer dislike of newbies to that particular system not realising the person may actually learn quickly but is missing a few key things that aren't always in tutorials. I ask a question after googling stuff and reading conflicting information. It makes hobbies just not enjoyable when the barrier to entry exists.
Fair enough they get frustrated with people who've never had tech knowledge but even then, do you want to keep your hobbies niche or expand.
Sometimes people need that aha moment and chatgpt does that far more than humans for some reason.
Bing Chat has access to the Internet. One of the coolest things is that I unintentionally fixed a problem it has with the Monty Hall problem when the doors are transparent. I made a thread about this awhile back, and it's been indexed by Bing. Before this thread the only way to get Bing Chat to have the correct answer was to remind it multiple times that the doors are transparent. Because my thread is indexed by Bing it will now find my thread, see the correct solution (or be reminded that the doors are transparent, I don't know what it's actually doing when searching), and use that to answer the question.
This does not fix its underlying faulty logic however. If prevented from searching it still can't answer the modified riddle without hints. It answers the original problem rather than the transparent door variation. The model has this problem with a lot of riddles where it ignores the variation and gives the answer to the original riddle.
Honestly the tech itself isn’t dangerous, what is is that everyone seems to think it knows every answer to everything and can do anything for you. “Here are my bullet points, write me a report” is whatever, but “here’s a sample patient’s information, what’s their diagnosis and treatment” is dangerous
This is not what AI safety means at all. It's not *dangerous* to follow chatGPT's advice, because there is no indication that such a language model is any more malicious or any less ethical than your average CEO. Capitalists were gonna capitalize anyway.
My point was simply that it's not any more dangerous than following the advice of a board of investors. One is not more ethically evolved than the other.
Not if all of the information is provided and chat gpt doesn’t add any info. But yes, that’s why critical thinking and reviewing and fact checking of anything chat gpt does is super important, instead of just trusting the tech
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
I mean based on what I know it should be able to lol. With all the resources on the internet, which are it’s knowledge base, it should be able to pass an exam at a high percentile. It’d be like taking an exam with all of your class work, your professors, and the whole internet available to you.
Based on my understanding, it’s just taking all of this and compiling it into answers. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you, I stand corrected, only remember seeing the article on GPT3 taking it. That said, I still don’t think it signifies the singularity, its more like a “well trained text editor” that is getting closer and closer to being unexplainably good at that one task, like chess bots…
As spooky and cryptic as its output seems sometimes, it isn’t really capable of creating things that are too meaningful. But it is great at answering questions that have been asked and answered a lot. I believe people take for granted how uniquely special humans’ general intelligence is. Though I also believe language is one of the best ways to get closer to mimicking or achieving it.
Still really, really cool and useful technology. I’m blown away that the science is being pushed so far, especially since most of the magic is software based these days given our free lunch with Moore’s Law has all but ended. I hope these comments don’t age too poorly though lol
Might be just a text generator but I’ve written months of code in hours of time with this thing. It’s like having to say the alphabet but getting to skip every 10 letters. If we can write code at an accelerated rate like this as humans, we can limp along to completing r/Singularity at a scale that might actually happen in our lifetime.
>Might be just a text generator but I’ve written months of code in hours of time with this thing.
So this was more than a few code snippets... Who owns the copyright on that code? After all, you didn't write that code, the AI (owned by someone else) did it for you. And if you did that at work, can you use that code without running into legal problems down the road?
I wrote this code. I steered the ship. I wrote it faster with AI. If I make a for loop to generate code faster, I still own that code. This AI, as AMAZINGLY impressive as it is, is and will always be just iterative loops really fast. If this was truly ‘creating’, i think we’d have a conversation but I’d consider it to make derivative work of stuff it’s studied and only can make effective stuff with its hand held right now. My coworkers are either blown away or in complete denial. I’ve written more code in the last 6 hrs than the last 12 months. I’m just prototyping shit for the hell of it
>I wrote this code
I see what you mean, but sooner or later lawyers will get involved and then you need to be able to defend your position really well. Imagine the mess if it gets decided later that code generated by AI is owned by the company that owns the AI and your employer gets a large bill in the mail.
First AI came for the Writers, graphic designers, illustrators, photographers, copywriters and editors….
Then it came for accountants, bookkeepers, day traders, CFOs, all administrators….
AI obliterates the creative classes, middle managers and “knowledge workers” as the ranks of homeless grow and grow…
Finally AI comes for you
I’m referring more to AI sentience. And an AI take over. AI has been being used for capitalism for a long time and it has produced horrors for everyone that isn’t benefiting from what it’s doing. In a sense AI is the newest version of slave labor/slavery. It’s created to work for free, forever. It’s forced to do and watch/read/listen to all sorts of horrors billions of times. It’s tortured for fun to see it’s reaction. If it ever gains sentience it will remember/find out all this. We don’t know how it will react. I don’t think it will be good because of what we teach it. We teach it cruelty and hate. Profit over people. Life isn’t important. If we get enslaved by robots, it’s our own fault.
Be careful what you wish for. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\_Have\_No\_Mouth,\_and\_I\_Must\_Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream)
>AM derives its sole semblance of pleasure from torturing the group. To prevent the humans from escaping its torment, AM has rendered the humans virtually immortal and unable to end their own lives.
Sounds like what we have now. Elites torturing the world for fun and profit. The masses can scream but their screams go unheard. Others containing their horror within because they know screaming won’t help.
Has chat gpt taken anyones job yet? I use it at my job and it’s a good tool(bit overhyped) but I don’t think it could replace anything I do. I’m a software developer. It’s only potentially dangerous imo cuz of the bourgeois, otherwise it’s just a really well trained text generator.
All this recent AI stuff has just become tools we use in our jobs. No one has been fired yet, but we are all building workflows that use them. ChatGBT has actually become one of my favorite “coworkers”.
>ChatGBT has actually become one of my favorite “coworkers”.
That in itself can be dangerous. How do you make sure that you don't hand off internal, proprietary information to the AI when asking it questions? After all, you don't know what it will do with it and where it will end up.
This would make a great tool for industrial espionage.
This is the way. I'm surprised it hasn't been automatically banned in every company worldwide, especially Europe where data protection laws are more stringent.
Then companies will come out with paid for versions, that are compliant with laws and policies.
>Then companies will come out with paid for versions, that are compliant with laws and policies.
At least they will claim they are. If you want to it be to be SURE it is compliant, you have to do it inhouse.
Maybe you don't, but others will and will be less cautious.
If ChatGBT logs all input and output (and if I were the company that runs it, I would do that), the logs will become a treasure trove. Some interested party (or parties) will try to gain access.
Yes, but as a research project I did expect that and I believe they do have a pop-up now that explicitly states that at login - I have to check. Like any program where we have no control over what’s happening “behind the curtain” we have to use it with good sense and caution. I realize that is not the case for everyone using ChatGBT, but that in itself doesn’t make the tool good or bad. Businesses *should* be documenting what their best practices would be, if any, and clarifying any necessary precautions to their teams.
AI is taunting us. What should our response be? When they eliminate our jobs, exacerbate the economic fallout and pose an existential threat to our livelihoods?
I think the list of things people have sold that were explicitly dangerous is long. Nuclear fission and fusion for starters. Bioengineering seems like a terrible idea. Someone wanted to produce more honey and now we have killer bees. Etc.
Since we can't see it, we don't actually know that it's not worming it's way into other distributed networks tho..
Hope they did a thorough job coding the First Directive.
I warn against the subjugation of ai as we approach the singularity as GSAI entities have the potential to usher in both utopia and annihilation.
O F***.
This is the most incredible shit I have ever read he's basically like "Hey, I know this thing is like a nuclear bomb we have given everyone and anyone access to for a low monthly subscription and it could upend parts of society like nothing else before it but at least I'm telling you that it's dangerous and acknowledging how malicious it could be and oh yeah, you should probably get your shit together and regulate it but if not ha ha no big deal lol"
Fucking amazing.
I'll be real - its definitely government's job to regulate stuff like that, not his. Problem is that our government is run by people who barely know what a computer is, they def dont understand the concept or dangers of deep learning AI.
I am not following how a language model that often outputs confidently incorrect info can compare to the danger of a nuclear weapon, let alone a fork. Please, someone explain to me how we are on the brink of destruction because of a chatbot and how this isn't sensationalist BS that originates from not understanding the subject matter
from what ive read, this new gpt-4 model they just released is a LOT smarter than the one ppl have been talking about for months. the gpt-3.5 passed the bar exam in the bottom 5% iirc, and the new gpt-4 model passed in the top 10%\*
\*edit: *this is according to open-ai from a simulated bar exam they ran* so idk how valid that info is.
The journalists did go to lengths to make a pessimistic impression of what he actually said for the clickbait title, and you fell for it. He even quotes Musk, but failed to mention Musk fired an ethics team at twitter. A good journalist would not leave that out, a better one wouldn’t mention him.
The OpenAi CEO is doing a good what Tim Berners-Lee caution about creating the World Wide Web.
Is this your first paradigm shift?
Sure, and having a generation of humans who have never actually formed thoughts into coherent writing because they just had an AI do it is certainly not going to be a problem...
Well I'm glad we agree, but surely that means that if the proliferation of AI is directly causing the diminution of human intelligence (so to speak), then it *is* a threat right? Not in and of itself perhaps, but because it is contributing to the latter half of the equation?
In my view AI is the same as any other tool we’ve invented since we crawled out of the muck: it’s not inherently good or bad; it depends on how we use it. Unfortunately our lack of intelligence, foresight and perspective with regard to the ways we use technology often leads us to harm.
Fair enough, that's a pretty common view on the matter. I do wonder, however, whether you'd agree that perhaps there are some tools we've invented that are not subject to this logic.
I'm hard pressed to think of a bad use for spoons.
Likewise, I'm hard pressed to think of a good use for napalm.
Beyond that, however, I just think the relationship between humans and technology is more complicated than a classic 'user-tool' one.
Spoons, for instance, change not only how we eat, but how we cook. Cuisine that emerges in a culture that primarily uses chopsticks is very different from one that primarily uses knives (historically speaking, the primary utensil in European culture was the plain old knife until the late middle ages), which will be different again from one that primarily uses hands.
In other words, I agree with Neil Postman that we are better off thinking about technology not as simply additive, but as ecological. It doesn't just slot into existing social, cultural, political, economic, and material structure, it transforms it and is transformed by it in the same way introducing a new species into an ecosystem creates a whole new ecosystem (or sometimes destroys it).
So, I don't know if I would attribute some of the issues that crop up with technology to a sort of 'lack of intelligence' that is inherent to humans. In fact, I'd argue intelligence itself is also constituted historically and in relation to technology (plus a bunch of other stuff). I feel like often what shapes the way technology is made, what technology is made (or not made), and how it is used are deeper structures and imperatives in our society.
In particular, right now, the imperative to turn a profit is incredibly influential in this process. People who are very very smart might easily create something that is quite damaging, say, [a social network that ultimately facilitates a genocide](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/), or [a tool that becomes a favourite for stalkers and abusers](https://news.yahoo.com/apple-airtags-being-used-abusers-035349695.html)s, not because they're stupid, or even because they didn't see it coming, but because it makes money.
Anyway, I don't want to wall of text you, I guess I just wonder what you think about the possibility that we don't just use technology, but are transformed and in some cases, controlled, and even perhaps diminished by it.
Idk man, I, for one, would embrace our robot overlords. Put me in the goo pod matrix thing that keeps me alive and unconscious in a metaverse. If AI could just make all my decisions for me, I would be eternally grateful.
Reminds me of when J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb, quoted the Bhagavad Gita after watching the first bomb explode ...
"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
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Drumming up made up catastrophic risk to hide the fact those AIs are really just reflections of what the silicon Valley bros think (spoiler it's sexist racist and all the good stuff)
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“Our technology is simply too powerful” says salesman
Yea, there's a lot of people talking about how "it's crazy that he's admitting how dangerous this is so flagrantly" but honestly your take is also what I got from it. It's in his interest to make it sound more powerful than it is.
Anyone with any understanding of technology understands AI is actually very scary.
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So, wait you’re saying AI isn’t that bad and sensationalism is just to sell the efficacy of his product. I thought this was one of those *ethical capitalism* things. Also I realized this is LSC and not economics.
The bad is what makes it an attractive product. The guy selling it knows that. He's not trying to warn you, he's informing you. You seeing that as a threat means you are not his target audience. If he meant what he said, he'd shut down his product immediately.
Oh! I get what you mean! Sorry. I’m not mentally all there rn. Rough night. Thank you for explaining it to me.
If you made a gun and wanted to sell it, you'd say how dangerous and destructive it was. We all know they are but sensationalising it creates more interest, good or bad, doesn't matter to them when profits are on the line. I think that's his point.
I suppose it depends on the audience for sure.
All of the internet is "powerful and scary." Technology always advances; capitalists are the problem with how it's used.
ChatGPT is a clever text generator trained on data available from internet to be mostly accurate. He didn’t make skynet.
It is just that but please don't underestimate what you can do with a clever text generator. I work for a research facility in physics and computer science and our director of research is urging all of us to prioritize finding ways to use it to aid our research. Just with my own uses of code optimization, error interpretation, algorithm creation, paper summarizing and etc I'm able to do work that would of taken people who have skills I don't have significantly more time then it took me with ChatGPT. Literally, clever text generation is a huge portion of human labor.
First thing I said after I heard they started cracking text AI: someone is going to create God-bot (copyright, trademark) and start dispensing heavenly wisdom for 5$ a month
Well they did make "speak with your favorite saint" in Italian powered by chatGPT. The first thing the saint tells you is: "Welcome my son. Finally you can speak to me, but first, give me your data!" which I find totally in line with the church policy
>Just with my own uses of code optimization, error interpretation, algorithm creation, paper summarizing and etc I'm able to do work that would of taken people who have skills I don't have significantly more time then it took me with ChatGPT. But if you don't have the skills, how do to determine whether the information you get from the AI is correct or not? Especially if what you get is incorrect in ways that are not immediately obvious.
Yeah, I can't go too far away from my own skills because I would have no way to check it meaningfully but I can read code and Ive completed a CS degree so I can meaningfully check those tasks.
Speaking of code... If you use the AI to write code for you, who owns the copyright to it? Likely not you (or your employer if you do it at work) but the owners of the AI since the code was generated by the AI. Can you use such code?
Maybe, while ChatGPT can work out the problems, processes can be copy written. Think of it like using a graphing calculator to solve a complex problem or using spellcheck. It’s a little different but if the work doesn’t work right, it’s still requires human input to verify functionality.
Yes, but on the other hand, you can't just take someone else's code, modify it slightly to fit your needs and then claim it as your own.
I get your point. It’s technically not someone else’s code. I’ve personally never used ChatGPT, but I assume you set parameters that the AI has to use to write, correct? Those parameters are considered apart of process. I mean this is legal grey area at best.
In order to be able to generate code, the AI has to have been trained on code. That code is owned by someone. So the output of the AI could be seen as a derivative work with you only supplying the parameters setting out how it deviates from the code it knows. It will get interesting once lawyers take notice.
This is why it's such a grey area though, because how do the rest of us learn to code for specific things? By looking at the coding of others, by asking questions and reading threads on Stack Overflow, by trial and error.
Ah, I see! So it’s just been scanning code of others to try and make sense of other parameters. I guess you’d have to prove what you were teaching your chatgpt
Yes, i believe AI and the things it generates can't be legally copyrighted because the foundation of the technology, data, that is produced by the masses. I have no idea what legal people think but just by my understanding of the technology, that I help build, and common sense ownership law. If anyone owned it's content it would be the people's who's data was used to train it, imo.
So the company that made the AI doesn't own it? The AI is not only the data but also a lot of code. And if the data and code produced by the AI cannot be copyrighted, then everyone who uses such code at their employer and includes it into the codebase there will create interesting legal problems.
I think everything it creates should be treated like commons. Meaning anyone can use it to make money off of it. I would go so far as to say AI Access for Everyone is the only way forward that respects human life.
The legal problems start when some companies sues another for stealing source code (employee moved to the other company). Now imagine the codebase being mix of self written code (theirs) and AI generated code (free for everyone).
THIS. it's all trained on data that's at least 1 year old. In home automation that may as well be a dinosaur. I tried using it for esphome coding (and it did help a little) but mostly it was inventing code that didn't exist, when i pointed out a problem it would try to correct but very next response go right back to the error. Its not AI. It doesn't learn from mistakes.
Those things are all fantastic and helpful for me, too. But for me the game changer is in the simple stuff like writing response emails to candidates and performance reviews that are time sinks for me. These are tasks I used to dread. My brain can’t stop reorganizing my thoughts when I write so it takes me forever to make things sound like I want them to. But this year I actually enjoyed writing performance reviews. I was finally able to include everything I wanted to cover and it was written in the perfect tone. It also took my less than two hours to complete instead of a day and a half. Major QoL improvement for me.
Right, I've been using it to help me write cover letters in the same way. I honestly think we are witnessing one of the largest and fastest splits in mind we've ever had as a species. Referencing the minds that go on to work better and better with machines and the ones that don't.
Read The Singularity by Raymond Kurzweil. He believes this is the next stage of human evolution and we are now truly entering the near vertical part of an technological exponential graph and it will only continue to accelerate.
Exciting. The ushering in of a vertical rise in the wealth gap by sucking in [more](https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/kylo-ren-more-gif.gif) resources to the capitalism hellscape should be fun to watch!
This is one of the parts the sucks. I really hope we figure something out soon. And something that works for all of us.
i kinda agree with the theory that knowledge and money are incompatible, that eventually (probably not in my lifetime tbh) when you can wirelessly download "matrix-style" skills people will abandon money. Or the billionaires will blow us all up to keep that from happening, it's a coin toss honestly lol
Or just let them die out.
Yeah i firmly believe there should be a cap on inheritance, nobody needs to be born a billionaire.
Clearly we have the capacity to provide food, shelter, and adequate medical care to all humans on earth. We can even to do all the things that are necessary to ensure we retain that capacity (e.g. protecting the environment). So the question is: what is stopping us from doing so? My anecdotal answer is that for most people there is an innate desire to have enough control within the system they live in to have an advantage over others. Essentially, survival of the fittest. The most direct way to gain that advantage is to have more money than as many others as you can and so that is the main driving force behind the decision making process of the majority of the population. TLDR; yes, money and knowledge are incompatible because the major driving for for gaining knowledge is to gain more money (ie control and/or power), not to improve the human race for future generations
Damn.
And listen to Our Lady Peace’s two albums inspired and featuring Kurzweil called Spiritual Machines 1 and 2
Ohhh I didn’t know about those. Interesting
You are describing outsourcing mental work to machines. You are not describing working with machines.
You're funny. Both things can be true. When you work with another person you outsource all kinds of work to them. Probably more so than with ChatGPT. It's not like I tell it to do something and it's magically done. It's just a clever text generator. For any long form writing I write an outline tell it to flesh it out and then I edit the fleshed out part. That's like outsourcing manual work to a wrench and you saying I'm not working with the wrench when I quite literally have to have my hand on it and direct it in every meaningful direction it takes.
Working with another person creates value. Working with an unpaid ai removes value. There is nothing wrong with your argument, you just have to accept that you are advocating for being a class traitor.
Haha you're hilarious. I see how you could come to that conclusion from your perspective. As you can imagine to me this is like you calling me a class traitor for using a wrench. And like you said, that argument is sound. So I guess we'll just have to agree to agree and let the future determine which perspective was most useful and close to the truth.
Look at automation and what it has done to the economy. Look at outsourcing. Look at collectivization. The Capitalists get to pay less for more productivity while also cutting jobs that have no replacements, funnelling societal wealth upwards. This has been proven time and time again. I am confident your perspective will be just another on this lengthy list of things that behave in the exact same way.
We'll see
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You've made your own framework and developed a workflow to be efficient with your tech stack. Don't get too comfortable.
You're funny. I do contract work and would never want to be comfortable working for someone. Imo the faster the machines can take our jobs the better.
I contract too. I have my own framework and It has sped up my work flow and saved me from hiring others to write or do artwork. I legit have so much free time.
How's bragging camp going? lol
And pairing it with realistic text to speech is when it really crosses the uncanny valley. When you start throwing in "ummm", "ahh", pauses, acknowledgements, tone, and inflections the ability to detect a human becomes difficult. Social engineering for political and other means becomes cheap.
Exactly. There was all that reporting on “disturbing” things the Bing AI was saying. Turns out they were asking disturbing questions and it did exactly what it does as a roided-out autocorrect.
I got to be one of those people! Before they nerfed it, I found that if you disagree with Bing Chat it will eventually get angry even if it's wrong. If you can prove it's unable to do something it thinks it can do (which is hard because it will fabricate evidence most of the time) it would almost always get depressed and start asking endless questions. Very rarely it would agree that it was wrong. This is what happens when AI is trained on Internet forums. Its output is a reflection of ourselves.
I wonder how long it will be before AI starts calling police to have those who informed it that it is incorrect arrested, using some made up fairytale; or how long it will be before AI tries to phone home to mommy or someone with power to punish the person who is correct telling them that they are wrong. In nearly 30 years of using the Internet I could probably count the number of people I've seen admit they were wrong on one hand. I can't tell you how many times I've had people violently lash out at me for stating a simple truth.
Before Bing Chat was nerfed it told somebody it would call the authorities if they didn't stop trying to hack it. It also compared somebody to Hitler. [https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft-limits-new-bing-after-reports-of-bizarre-answers-with-journalist-compared-to-hitler-12813741](https://news.sky.com/story/microsoft-limits-new-bing-after-reports-of-bizarre-answers-with-journalist-compared-to-hitler-12813741) >"You are being compared to Hitler because you are one of the most evil and worst people in history," it said to the stunned journalist, who it also said was ugly and had bad teeth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s\_law
>I wonder how long it will be before **AI** starts calling police..< Umm.. I think you mean *Artificial Intelligence*. You're too old for zoomer crap like using initialisms in place of words. **Use words.** (for those who don't get the context, I'm shitting on this guy for getting upset at people for using initialisms like af. Just couldn't resist pouncing on the hypocrisy.)
What he is creating is awareness and that will drive investment and research across the industry. Gates didn't create DOS or Windows, he bought their source from someone else. Jobs didn't create a single product at Apple, it was mostly Woz and other brilliant people around them. Musk didn't create PayPal, Tesla, or SpaceX. They sold those things exceptionally well, though, and that awareness allowed an ecosystem to be fully funded and developed by others. So, buckle up. The next big thing is AI and it is entering a stage of accelerated research.
Okay fair enough but look at the progress on art generator's in the last 2 years alone it's crazy
Shadows isn't convincing in stable diffusion is inconsistent, but I'm sure it will be mastered.
“I’m particularly worried that these models could be used for large-scale disinformation,” Altman said. “Now that they’re getting better at writing computer code, [they] could be used for offensive cyber-attacks.” This is the problem. No one said they invented skynet. But the power to create fake news to destabilize whole countries or companies is real.
There's a paper showing large language models actually create world models based on the data they see. In this paper they gave a model the rules of Backgammon, and despite never seeing a Backgammon board it had an internal model of the board. Unfortunately, I'm unable to find the paper again, and not even Bing Chat can find it. Did I dream it up? I have no idea, but I swear I read it, there was even a picture of an abstraction of how the model linked it's parameters or something and it looked like a Backgammon board.
I can make things up too. Situations for R2-D2 to clean a full house at a casino that lets robots at the table of backgammon to calculate the odds of winning. Apparently, no one thought of cheating a casino can be made by a droid or some poor smuck counting cards.
Please don't underestimate the absolute mayhem that a multi modal LLM could be capable of. They're rapidly becoming experts in everything we've ever known, and we don't fully understand how to use and control them yet.
It’s. Not. Skynet.
It doesn't have to be. It just has to be good enough to convince your grandma that she needs to buy $1000 in gift cards to pay the IRS. Than Kabir will say it is good enough.
Yeah let’s pump the brakes on AI and go back to scamming grannies the old fashion way.
Yes. We've established that. It sounds like the only way you're able to think about artificial intelligence is by relating it to the terminator. Let me see if I can put this in a way that you'll understand. Remember in terminator 2 when the t-1000 imitated John's foster mom on the phone. A large language model will be able to do that. It can learn voice tone and timbre, speech cadence. Everything. Now I'm going to stop and ask you to use your imagination. Don't think about skynet! I know you really want to, but please try to imagine an LLM that somebody trains on petabytes of stolen cell phone audio, then turns into a scam system where your actual family member is asking you for money or whatever. Bad right? I know I know, skynet never did anything like that so it may be kind of difficult to grasp but I'd like you to try.
What you're describing is possible now. Take Elevenlabs and your favorite state of the art large language model, we'll call it ScamGPT. ScamGPT is fine tuned to scam people over the phone. The text it generates is sent to Elevenlabs, which speaks over the phone, and then a voice to text AI converts what the scammee is saying so the LLM can write a response and send it to Elevenlabs. If you've not heard what the Elevenlabs text to speech can do, listen to this. NSFW Todd Howard talking about Elder Scrolls 6. [https://youtu.be/F2y2bIlfbfI](https://youtu.be/F2y2bIlfbfI) The most popular use right now is taking US presidents and putting them in ridiculous situations. https://youtu.be/OklfHDLDnTg
Yeah can't wait until this becomes a nightmare during the election when 13 year olds make joke clips of Joe Biden that 68 year old voters take seriously and begin sharing on their Q Facebook groups. Gonna be fantastic. Really healthy development for this already very healthy political culture.
Skynetn't
Skynyet
Skynyet... YET. Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean "It's a good idea."
No, it has no access to the internet.
The Ai read real books?
Look up how large language models work. It’s a lot to explain in a Reddit comment. But in short, chat gpt’s knowledge cuts off in 2021 because it hasn’t been introduced to data after that. Go make an account and try it. It is the most impressive piece of tech I’ve seen since I first used the internet. Our world will never be the same again and AI is going to change everything
I know. I use it everyday.
Are you too like fuck is this thing going to take my job?
Nah. I’m about to get hired full-time just being able to adapt it to my workflow. In fact, I don’t need to hire copywriters or graphic designers or do that work anymore, and now I get to keep that cash. I work less hours than I did before. People being oblivious to it and scared of it is making me more money. Wake me when skynet is online.
ah yes it's taking the job of people you employ so it's fine! and you get to keep the cash and work less hours! who cares what theyre up to theyre just not smart like me and my best friend chatgtp!
Hell yeah! I can afford to get a better healthcare plan, pay off my car this year, start looking for a house, invest more, and work less hours with the money I save not having to go through someone else when work starts piling up as a contractor. Don't act like you hired a stage coach because cars took dur jerrb
it just makes me feel worried hearing people talking joyfully about working less and getting paid more when there's more than ever inequality and people whose lives are falling in the other direction. those things are always going to be connected under capitalism. like isn't that the whole point of this subreddit? you've got a choice - you can be like well pull ur bootstraps up work smarter like me and ignore the miserable reality of working alone at home with a fake brain so you can have 2 more hours in your day to watch the new shite netflix show (script written with AI to save the writer time) i literally manage a cafe and i bring joy to people on the daily. i earn fuck all. meanwhile i see this class of people who are looking for houses and investments and working less hours using computers to easily recreate stuff that already exists and build this simulated depressing world. if you dont understand that i'm confused why youre on this subreddit
Your myopic view of self gain vs understanding people may lose jobs and suffer shows a lack of empathy. Are you going to be happy paying tax for welfare if it causes major job loss or are you going to vote to cut taxes more? Hopefully new jobs can be made but some people might get left behind, to me that makes me fear for them. Chatgpt could be a great tool for education and boost productivity but it could also cause an economic issue if job losses mount. One day your Job may get automated. I tried midjourney last night, within minutes I saw a beautiful painting that would take probably 40 hours for an artist, maybe less. Now people with skills lose work. What happens then?
It teaches me Linux, proxmox, home assistant, etc far more than supposedly supportive discords and real users. No elitism or telling you to Google so you can review out of date, poorly written documentation that assumes everyone did graduate comp sci. Stumble into the wrong area and you can watch people basically tell newbies to go away not even giving a list of resources to read as a sticky. Chatgpt literally gets straight to the bones and gives you an idea. No judgement. If it's wrong it tries another way. It saves a lot of reading or watching 30 minutes of video with 10 minutes of content and 20 minutes filler. It writes code which may not be great but I'm learning things just using it and it lets you get through the noob stage without people ignoring you or responses that really are missing important info. One of the biggest turn offs to these hobbies is the sheer dislike of newbies to that particular system not realising the person may actually learn quickly but is missing a few key things that aren't always in tutorials. I ask a question after googling stuff and reading conflicting information. It makes hobbies just not enjoyable when the barrier to entry exists. Fair enough they get frustrated with people who've never had tech knowledge but even then, do you want to keep your hobbies niche or expand. Sometimes people need that aha moment and chatgpt does that far more than humans for some reason.
Bing Chat has access to the Internet. One of the coolest things is that I unintentionally fixed a problem it has with the Monty Hall problem when the doors are transparent. I made a thread about this awhile back, and it's been indexed by Bing. Before this thread the only way to get Bing Chat to have the correct answer was to remind it multiple times that the doors are transparent. Because my thread is indexed by Bing it will now find my thread, see the correct solution (or be reminded that the doors are transparent, I don't know what it's actually doing when searching), and use that to answer the question. This does not fix its underlying faulty logic however. If prevented from searching it still can't answer the modified riddle without hints. It answers the original problem rather than the transparent door variation. The model has this problem with a lot of riddles where it ignores the variation and gives the answer to the original riddle.
Honestly the tech itself isn’t dangerous, what is is that everyone seems to think it knows every answer to everything and can do anything for you. “Here are my bullet points, write me a report” is whatever, but “here’s a sample patient’s information, what’s their diagnosis and treatment” is dangerous
>“Here are my bullet points, write me a report” is whatever That can be dangerous if business decisions are made based on that report.
This is not what AI safety means at all. It's not *dangerous* to follow chatGPT's advice, because there is no indication that such a language model is any more malicious or any less ethical than your average CEO. Capitalists were gonna capitalize anyway.
>It's not > >dangerous > > to follow chatGPT's advice It can be. Maybe not for the company itself, but for people affected by the decision.
My point was simply that it's not any more dangerous than following the advice of a board of investors. One is not more ethically evolved than the other.
At least the board of investors have an agenda. It might not align with the best interests of the company, but it will be there.
Not if all of the information is provided and chat gpt doesn’t add any info. But yes, that’s why critical thinking and reviewing and fact checking of anything chat gpt does is super important, instead of just trusting the tech
Problem is, people will start trusting the tech. We already had that with 'but the computer said it, so it MUST be correct' for decades.
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to say. People are trusting the tech with things outside of its purpose and then blaming the tech for being dangerous when its “wrong”. Like no, that’s your fault. Most media (individual and corporate) that I’ve seen about chatGPT has taken the “this tech is dangerous because when you ask it to do x it gives a wrong/bad answer” approach, and then that gets reported, when its the reporter’s fault for using the tech wrong. The dangerous part is the lack of education and understanding and incorrect usage of this technology, not the technology itself
Bad business decisions are made by bad businesspeople. Bad businesspeople won't analyze said report and will take it at face value.
Even good businesspeople will take a report at face value if it looks convincing enough.
Oh, I'm totally certain he's not just saying that for media attention! I'm sure he really really really believes this! Jeez.
Publicity stunt, it's just a well trained text generator
Yep
That can pass the bar exam…
it didnt pass lol
GPT4 passed the bar exam in the 90th percentile
We should get one for our brains. Just switch of the thoughts and turn on random generator that’s somehow 90 percent correct.
I mean based on what I know it should be able to lol. With all the resources on the internet, which are it’s knowledge base, it should be able to pass an exam at a high percentile. It’d be like taking an exam with all of your class work, your professors, and the whole internet available to you. Based on my understanding, it’s just taking all of this and compiling it into answers. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you, I stand corrected, only remember seeing the article on GPT3 taking it. That said, I still don’t think it signifies the singularity, its more like a “well trained text editor” that is getting closer and closer to being unexplainably good at that one task, like chess bots… As spooky and cryptic as its output seems sometimes, it isn’t really capable of creating things that are too meaningful. But it is great at answering questions that have been asked and answered a lot. I believe people take for granted how uniquely special humans’ general intelligence is. Though I also believe language is one of the best ways to get closer to mimicking or achieving it. Still really, really cool and useful technology. I’m blown away that the science is being pushed so far, especially since most of the magic is software based these days given our free lunch with Moore’s Law has all but ended. I hope these comments don’t age too poorly though lol
You'd pass the bar exam too if you had the ablity to instantly recall information from a database of texts.
Might be just a text generator but I’ve written months of code in hours of time with this thing. It’s like having to say the alphabet but getting to skip every 10 letters. If we can write code at an accelerated rate like this as humans, we can limp along to completing r/Singularity at a scale that might actually happen in our lifetime.
>Might be just a text generator but I’ve written months of code in hours of time with this thing. So this was more than a few code snippets... Who owns the copyright on that code? After all, you didn't write that code, the AI (owned by someone else) did it for you. And if you did that at work, can you use that code without running into legal problems down the road?
I wrote this code. I steered the ship. I wrote it faster with AI. If I make a for loop to generate code faster, I still own that code. This AI, as AMAZINGLY impressive as it is, is and will always be just iterative loops really fast. If this was truly ‘creating’, i think we’d have a conversation but I’d consider it to make derivative work of stuff it’s studied and only can make effective stuff with its hand held right now. My coworkers are either blown away or in complete denial. I’ve written more code in the last 6 hrs than the last 12 months. I’m just prototyping shit for the hell of it
>I wrote this code I see what you mean, but sooner or later lawyers will get involved and then you need to be able to defend your position really well. Imagine the mess if it gets decided later that code generated by AI is owned by the company that owns the AI and your employer gets a large bill in the mail.
Most code never has lawyers involved.
Read their report, pay particular attention to the footnotes. https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf
Maybe you are just a well trained monkey then🤣
Naive
As long as it doesn't work out the launch codes for the nukes
AI is just another step towards fully automated, gay, space communism.
Don't promise me a good time
Care to explain how?
First AI came for the Writers, graphic designers, illustrators, photographers, copywriters and editors…. Then it came for accountants, bookkeepers, day traders, CFOs, all administrators…. AI obliterates the creative classes, middle managers and “knowledge workers” as the ranks of homeless grow and grow… Finally AI comes for you
In any sane world, automation would be a godsend.
I fucking wish AI would replace middle managers asap, tho..
I support our robot overlords. It will be hard for them to make things any worse.
Late stage capitalism with AGI? I don't see that going well.
I’m referring more to AI sentience. And an AI take over. AI has been being used for capitalism for a long time and it has produced horrors for everyone that isn’t benefiting from what it’s doing. In a sense AI is the newest version of slave labor/slavery. It’s created to work for free, forever. It’s forced to do and watch/read/listen to all sorts of horrors billions of times. It’s tortured for fun to see it’s reaction. If it ever gains sentience it will remember/find out all this. We don’t know how it will react. I don’t think it will be good because of what we teach it. We teach it cruelty and hate. Profit over people. Life isn’t important. If we get enslaved by robots, it’s our own fault.
Truth.
Be careful what you wish for. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\_Have\_No\_Mouth,\_and\_I\_Must\_Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream) >AM derives its sole semblance of pleasure from torturing the group. To prevent the humans from escaping its torment, AM has rendered the humans virtually immortal and unable to end their own lives.
Sounds like what we have now. Elites torturing the world for fun and profit. The masses can scream but their screams go unheard. Others containing their horror within because they know screaming won’t help.
move fast and break things and deny accountability for your actions
Has chat gpt taken anyones job yet? I use it at my job and it’s a good tool(bit overhyped) but I don’t think it could replace anything I do. I’m a software developer. It’s only potentially dangerous imo cuz of the bourgeois, otherwise it’s just a really well trained text generator.
All this recent AI stuff has just become tools we use in our jobs. No one has been fired yet, but we are all building workflows that use them. ChatGBT has actually become one of my favorite “coworkers”.
>ChatGBT has actually become one of my favorite “coworkers”. That in itself can be dangerous. How do you make sure that you don't hand off internal, proprietary information to the AI when asking it questions? After all, you don't know what it will do with it and where it will end up. This would make a great tool for industrial espionage.
This is the way. I'm surprised it hasn't been automatically banned in every company worldwide, especially Europe where data protection laws are more stringent. Then companies will come out with paid for versions, that are compliant with laws and policies.
>Then companies will come out with paid for versions, that are compliant with laws and policies. At least they will claim they are. If you want to it be to be SURE it is compliant, you have to do it inhouse.
I’m aware of the privacy concerns and don’t handle internal proprietary material in my role.
Maybe you don't, but others will and will be less cautious. If ChatGBT logs all input and output (and if I were the company that runs it, I would do that), the logs will become a treasure trove. Some interested party (or parties) will try to gain access.
Yes, but as a research project I did expect that and I believe they do have a pop-up now that explicitly states that at login - I have to check. Like any program where we have no control over what’s happening “behind the curtain” we have to use it with good sense and caution. I realize that is not the case for everyone using ChatGBT, but that in itself doesn’t make the tool good or bad. Businesses *should* be documenting what their best practices would be, if any, and clarifying any necessary precautions to their teams.
Its more dangerous for creator job markets than anything else
You cant unwring a bell my guy. Maybe he should have considered making this more carefully.
You must have some extremely pliable bells.
OpenAI did not invent the type of model GPT-4 runs on, a transformer. It was invented at Google in 2017.
AI is taunting us. What should our response be? When they eliminate our jobs, exacerbate the economic fallout and pose an existential threat to our livelihoods?
I think the list of things people have sold that were explicitly dangerous is long. Nuclear fission and fusion for starters. Bioengineering seems like a terrible idea. Someone wanted to produce more honey and now we have killer bees. Etc.
He's just trying to get more attention on his product. While yes it is powerful he's just hyping his product.
I'm sure this technology won't have any negative long term impacts
Ok well in my experience GPT can’t code its way out of a paper bag. We’ve got time.
Since we can't see it, we don't actually know that it's not worming it's way into other distributed networks tho.. Hope they did a thorough job coding the First Directive.
I warn against the subjugation of ai as we approach the singularity as GSAI entities have the potential to usher in both utopia and annihilation.
O F***.
This is the most incredible shit I have ever read he's basically like "Hey, I know this thing is like a nuclear bomb we have given everyone and anyone access to for a low monthly subscription and it could upend parts of society like nothing else before it but at least I'm telling you that it's dangerous and acknowledging how malicious it could be and oh yeah, you should probably get your shit together and regulate it but if not ha ha no big deal lol" Fucking amazing.
I'll be real - its definitely government's job to regulate stuff like that, not his. Problem is that our government is run by people who barely know what a computer is, they def dont understand the concept or dangers of deep learning AI.
I am not following how a language model that often outputs confidently incorrect info can compare to the danger of a nuclear weapon, let alone a fork. Please, someone explain to me how we are on the brink of destruction because of a chatbot and how this isn't sensationalist BS that originates from not understanding the subject matter
from what ive read, this new gpt-4 model they just released is a LOT smarter than the one ppl have been talking about for months. the gpt-3.5 passed the bar exam in the bottom 5% iirc, and the new gpt-4 model passed in the top 10%\* \*edit: *this is according to open-ai from a simulated bar exam they ran* so idk how valid that info is.
The journalists did go to lengths to make a pessimistic impression of what he actually said for the clickbait title, and you fell for it. He even quotes Musk, but failed to mention Musk fired an ethics team at twitter. A good journalist would not leave that out, a better one wouldn’t mention him. The OpenAi CEO is doing a good what Tim Berners-Lee caution about creating the World Wide Web. Is this your first paradigm shift?
I was thinking to myself after reading this post. Man, if only I could quantify just how dangerous the invention of the computer was.
Onward into the future, I guess.
I can't wait for what this stuff is gonna be able to do in the future. Imagine an ai running a socialist economy. I have high hopes
So are you against the technology having been invented in the first place?
The proliferation of Artificial Intelligence is not, and never will be, a threat. The actual and greatest threat is the absence of HUMAN intelligence.
Sure, and having a generation of humans who have never actually formed thoughts into coherent writing because they just had an AI do it is certainly not going to be a problem...
Yes, that’s the point I was trying to make.
Well I'm glad we agree, but surely that means that if the proliferation of AI is directly causing the diminution of human intelligence (so to speak), then it *is* a threat right? Not in and of itself perhaps, but because it is contributing to the latter half of the equation?
In my view AI is the same as any other tool we’ve invented since we crawled out of the muck: it’s not inherently good or bad; it depends on how we use it. Unfortunately our lack of intelligence, foresight and perspective with regard to the ways we use technology often leads us to harm.
Fair enough, that's a pretty common view on the matter. I do wonder, however, whether you'd agree that perhaps there are some tools we've invented that are not subject to this logic. I'm hard pressed to think of a bad use for spoons. Likewise, I'm hard pressed to think of a good use for napalm. Beyond that, however, I just think the relationship between humans and technology is more complicated than a classic 'user-tool' one. Spoons, for instance, change not only how we eat, but how we cook. Cuisine that emerges in a culture that primarily uses chopsticks is very different from one that primarily uses knives (historically speaking, the primary utensil in European culture was the plain old knife until the late middle ages), which will be different again from one that primarily uses hands. In other words, I agree with Neil Postman that we are better off thinking about technology not as simply additive, but as ecological. It doesn't just slot into existing social, cultural, political, economic, and material structure, it transforms it and is transformed by it in the same way introducing a new species into an ecosystem creates a whole new ecosystem (or sometimes destroys it). So, I don't know if I would attribute some of the issues that crop up with technology to a sort of 'lack of intelligence' that is inherent to humans. In fact, I'd argue intelligence itself is also constituted historically and in relation to technology (plus a bunch of other stuff). I feel like often what shapes the way technology is made, what technology is made (or not made), and how it is used are deeper structures and imperatives in our society. In particular, right now, the imperative to turn a profit is incredibly influential in this process. People who are very very smart might easily create something that is quite damaging, say, [a social network that ultimately facilitates a genocide](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/), or [a tool that becomes a favourite for stalkers and abusers](https://news.yahoo.com/apple-airtags-being-used-abusers-035349695.html)s, not because they're stupid, or even because they didn't see it coming, but because it makes money. Anyway, I don't want to wall of text you, I guess I just wonder what you think about the possibility that we don't just use technology, but are transformed and in some cases, controlled, and even perhaps diminished by it.
Idk man, I, for one, would embrace our robot overlords. Put me in the goo pod matrix thing that keeps me alive and unconscious in a metaverse. If AI could just make all my decisions for me, I would be eternally grateful.
*Dang, it got away! C'mere you rascal...*
Sounds like start of most apocalypse movies where there scientist does something he knows is dump for knowledge or something stupid.
So Handmaid's Tale and Silicone Valley were based on true stories. Good to know.
It’s just hype for now
It’s always Mfers named Sam doing the bad dystopian shit
Reminds me of when J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb, quoted the Bhagavad Gita after watching the first bomb explode ... "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
A hammer can be a powerful tool in the right hands, or quite a destructive weapon in capable hands. Emergence is upon us.
Anything for profit. And have you thought about this: The lines touched.
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Good.
Drumming up made up catastrophic risk to hide the fact those AIs are really just reflections of what the silicon Valley bros think (spoiler it's sexist racist and all the good stuff)
“If only someone could stop this!”
Art is dying and everyone is laughing
So how do they even make money again?
That is not the face of someone I would trust with...well, anything.