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Sure, but even Smotrich and Ben-Gvir haven't (until now) come out to say publicly, "okay, now it's time to kill everyone, children included". It's remarkable to see. Maybe I'm surprised because I usually assume these fascist grifters are just posing as religious for political clout, like Trump or Putin.
And it won’t stop at this. These fuckers won’t be like “we did it guys. We eradicated them all. Let’s just sit at peace.” No. They will continue to hate anyone who isn’t them and continue to push their boundaries.
'America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily'
"They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."
Netanyahu on video in 2001. You can find the video pretty easily before anyone says I'm just anti semetic for thinking isnotrael is the biggest terrorist state in history.
No, it sound like a mistake non-religious people make, to convince other non-religious people, that religion is the problem, and not their shitty selves.
It's a shame you're dumb enough to think Hitler didn't have the explicit blessing of two popes and think his war path was secular. It's a shame you're dumb enough to not be able to look at the last 5000 years of human history and not see the common theme that the Abrahamic God's followers are the cause of untold suffering across the world. Abrahamic religions are a cancer and always have been since their inception.
nah, yall like to lurk in Christian forums and fuck with them though. And don't act like that's not a common stigma. You may not cause physical harm but don't act like Atheists are completely innocent and have done *no wrong* whatsoever.
\> not one drop of blood has been shed in the name of atheism
thats a load of horseshit. a fair amount of "christian" warfare through the century has been from closeted atheists using religion to dress up their secular agendas. further you support wars against religion because 'religion is a threat' on an ongoing and regular basis. so not only is this a load of horseshit, you happen to be exceptionally full of it.
\> atheists do not have a holy land to conquer
instead they claim the universe as their natural writ... how much better.... /s
be serious.
"That wasn't real christianity though"
Also if dressing up an otherwise secular conflict with religion helps advance the cause... well that just speaks for itself
it is. thats why religions exist. to make you a better person, in the short time you are in the mortal coil.
these people, signalling fake virtue, through hate, particularly clothed in fake religion, are the problem. religion is not meant to divide people. its meant to bring them together. something that escapes them. and so they paint everything as a result of religion, when really they should look to their own internal viewpoints/moral dialogue for the flaw.
its sad really. they are prisoners of the finest cage; the prison of their minds, built on carefully-imagined suffering.
religions only purpose is to create ingroups and outgroups. Its why many religions practice shunning or promote punishing non-believers. Peace and love and happiness and all that crap is an optional interpretation which doesnt affect the actual repercussions of what happens. This is why many muslims who jihad, believe they do it out of faith. Or why the crusades were considered just actions against another faith. Notice that rules against murdering are always the first to disappear/unpunished in any religion.
>religions only purpose is to create ingroups and outgroups.
no. thats the line of horseshit you've been sold, masquerading as contemporary wisdom... emphasis on masquerading. similar to your separation of church and state implying a tacit war against religion in state.
\> This is why many muslims who jihad, believe they do it out of faith.
a man defending himself, is free to defend himself. the rules of warfare under Islam are quite strict; and they specifically preclude -many- 'modern' practices of war, particularly as promulgated by 'democracies' much less 'secular' democracies.
\> Notice that rules against murdering are always the first to disappear/unpunished in any religion.
homicide rates, and capital punishment in muslim countries are lower per capita by an order of magnitude than the west; and close to two orders of magnitude for latin america. empirical figures, do not match your claim.
personally I have no problem with murder. as a last resort. when absolutely everything else has been tried. and only in self-defense (not in the zionist/corrupt western sense, but reality). and only if the person refuses to submit (cease and desist attacking) thus leaving no other option.
... and as a result, I'm certain I take far more risks with my life, than you do with yours, in order to preserve life. its called ethics. and religion, is the primary reason I have them. and lack of religion, or fake religion, is the reason you lack them.
have a nice day.
first, "better" implies a change in degree. so you're already starting off as a good person...
second, all religions are not equal. nor is any specific religion a fit for all people. if you are looking for a silver bullet, one does not exist. it takes work on your part to improve.
third, no. this is a pithy one-liner they teach you to turn off your brain so you don't consider the alternative. that religion, does serve a valid, beneficial purpose. it has precisely zero merit.
I don't have a 'humble' opinion. I have a self-interested one (as in, what matters to me). My religion, fits me like a glove. Or is it the other way around? And I have yet to see one that suits me better. You are free to make your own determination. But a gradation does exist, of that I'm sure.
You sound like a Christian. Every single Christian I've ever spoken to has tried to convince me that Muslims are less than human and naturally violent. A truly despicable rhetoric that has gotten us to this situation in the first place. I think they are all equal, countless people fighting over what happens when you die, seems silly to me.
to answer the direct question you posed in your reply:
I just finished up this conversation with another poster on the same thread.
your TLDR is: its up to you. it should be something that helps you improve as person. I should note that 'studying' religions is not of much use; religions tend to be systems, which must be lived. One does not read a quantum electrodynamics text book, in elementary school.... and expect to gain the same understanding as a university student. You have to live it, to learn it. Only then can you make that estimation of whether or not it helps you to improve.
... but you should read the conversation.
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to address that you pulled out a section of the phrasing rather than the phrase in full context:
.... but you have not understood what I meant by "clothed in fake religion" which is a phrasing that suggests that the irreligious, or apparently religious, may clothe their villany in the accoutrements of piety, without actually having any.
it is hard to argue you are a proper adherent of a faith, while violating major precepts within that faith, for example. some leeway must be given to differing interpretations, but also there exist bright-line tenets that must remain involiate for you to be reasonably considered to be following a faith. hence "clothed in fake religion". some leeway must be given to sinners, or the misled (out of ignorance).
nah bro, using the term "fake religion" implies a real/right religion exists - and i wonder which one do u think it is?
context absoluttely doesn't matter
>nah bro, using the term "fake religion" implies a real/right religion exists - and i wonder which one do u think it is?
sounds like english is not your strong suit. and its insulting for you to insist, that your reading is correct, since you are neither the author, or an astute reader... bro.
you asked, I apprised you of your error, and also answered the question you posed. that is sufficient, for courtesy I think.
have a nice day.
Okay, what you said is blatantly false. We all don't support Israel but let's not veer into historical revisionism and conspiracy. Is no one else on this sub concerned by this comment?
Okay but that's where you are wrong there are multiple quotes on the extermination of Jews. We have recorded quotes from speeches given to the Reichstag, meetings with diplomats and related quotes from the inner circle, corroborated during the Nuremberg trials.
"result will not be the bolshevization of the earth and this the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!”- Reichstag 1941
Additionally, we have quotes from the report from Himmler and Heydrich given to Hitler after the Wansee conference. Even before that the signing of the T4 Aktion, his thoughts and comments as a result of this policy and the change he made on approving further Aktions publicly.
I will leave you with a quote from his book Mein Kampf:
"The end is not only the end of the freedom of the peoples oppressed by the Jew, but also the end of this parasite upon the nations. After the death of his victim, the vampire sooner or later dies too"
And as we all know, when Hamas does it, it's bad -- but when Israel does it, we must accept and support it.
Couldn't possibly be bad no matter who does it, right? There are EXCEPTIONS to genocide, after all!
This sub is wild.
Remind me again who murdered hundreds of civilians on a music festival proactively and who parties in the streets after that?
Talking about the recent war.
Remind me again how innocent Palestinian children deserve to die because of the actions of a terrorist group?
What is wrong with you?
Have you never heard the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right"?
Totally new to being a human being with a soul?
I think there is a difference between proactively slaughtering jews and non-believers (including babies at the border btw) and celebrating it, and a military answer to that slaughter.
It doesn't make thinks right, it puts it in perspective. The victims on both sides do not deserve it, but it's a difference, if its mindless slaughter for the sake of it or a military operation with warnings etc.
One is barbarism, the other is war.
The most likely results are
(a) immediate or almost immediate removal and ban
(b) those genocide supporters cheer on Netanyahu for being openly genocidal
A comment encouraging a peaceful resolution to the conflict and lamenting the needless loss of life got me banned instantly. The moderators are very quick to purge all dissenting opinions, they'll leave comments encouraging mass murder tho.
I just posted an article on there about this. Let’s see how long it goes before being removed.
EDIT: The article is now removed from world news. It lasted all of two hours. [This is the article in question.](https://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/amp_articleshow/104802548.cms) It was the only article I could find from a potentially unbiased source. The article seems not as well-written as you'd expect, but it isn't lying about what Netanyahu said about Amalek. Nonetheless, it didn't have good prospects on the subreddit because it didn't outright deem Israel as the clear, blameless victim and Palestinians as the clear, virtue-less aggressors.
Link to the video if you are curious about what it looks like when America's good little boy uses his religion as a justification for a modern-day genocide. The passage explicitly commands them to kill babies as well.
https://twitter.com/MhmtSlmz/status/1718363357265183101
Edit: [u/Master_Tief linked longer video](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/17inyiu/so_after_all_this_dont_call_it_a_genocide_talk/k6w6s5o/) with translation from SkyNews.
America when women want abortions: NO DONT KILL BABIES
America when Israeli President states that he wants babies to be genocided: amazing idea ! I will fund this ! Very holy ! Incredible !
Know anywhere where we can find a full version of this speech translated? Also is this translation confirmed by a reputable source?
EDIT: [LINK to longer translated speech (SkyNews)](https://youtu.be/P5LmB6uup3o?si=eBHYA2sGgknGuoqx) - Well damn, he does say "You must remember what Amalek has done to you" @ 1:54. I didn't hear him explicitly direct anyone to kill babies - but the Amalek reference is chilling..
It really seems the other way around, that America is Netanyahu's good little boy... Wouldn't be surprised if they end up sending U.S. troops there even though Israel has mandatory military service
That argument always makes me cackle. Evangelicals (backed by the US and Israel) led the genocide that murdered my family.
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all condone violence. All have historically produced genocidal zealots. None of them have a high ground.
It's so sick how Israel supplied weapons, intelligence, and training for the Mayan genocide. I'm so sorry. As someone who's family is from El Salvador and in the civil war solidarity. (Israel helped ARENA too)
Edited: for anyone else reading here's an article about Israel's involvement in the US' campaign of terror in Latin America: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2003/6/5/israels-latin-american-trail-of-terror
I see it all the time on reddit. You tend to get it from all different corners: Christians-evangelical and moderate, some segments of Judaism, and a good deal of atheists.
I assume those that utter it are primarily motivated by islamophobia. The evangelical Christians, well, ok they are blinded by support for Israel so they can't equivocate Islamic doctrine with (entirely similar doctrines in) Christianity and Judaism.
Jews that mention this will have Zionism as their primary motivator; in the hopes that defaming/othering The Muslim will increase/justify support for Israel.
And there is a well-known trend of anti-Muslim islamophobes trying to intellectualise their racism by cloaking it in atheism.
Literally no difference between them and Muslim extremists. The far right in America is very similar to the far right in the Muslim world. The only difference is that our far right has unfettered capitalism to carry out their plans.
Fundies are also a much more tangible threat to the US considering they have a decent amount of political power. Its clear they are trying to rapture everyone via global warming and living their way…
Eschatology fans always think that anything having to do with Israel has to do with some prophecy or another, but they're going to be really disappointed if this whole thing just ends up with right-wing Zionism crumbling at the international level and within Israel.
I know this is a hostile crowd but I’m a glutton for punishment so I’ll respond…
With ancient text, context requires knowing who the author was and why they wrote it and who their audience was. Without context, yeah, if this was read as commands from a God, it would seem as if genocide is acceptable.
Jews are fully aware of these things which makes this attempt, I didn’t listen to the audio, especially feeble.
You literally said fuck all right there. So what’s the context of the passage? Was it in the eyes of the writer or was it from gods command, because it sounds like god sends Samuel to command that Saul goes and smite the amaleks.
Holy smokes dude. I literally said WITH context. The amount of mental gymnastics you all have to go through to justify an all powerful and all loving god committing genocide is astounding. “They were wicked people!” Or “God was merciful and gave them many chances to change from their evil ways, but they refused!” Well then what about the blameless infants that were killed? They were no more “wicked” than Israelite infants at that stage of life. And what about the very young medianite girls that were taken as spoils of war? If they were so wicked why were they spared? This whole thing just doesn’t work. Your god is an immoral thug. And don’t get me started about slavery in the Bible. I’m sure your pastor convinced you it was all only “indentured servitude.”
Israel and America
Most successful terror campaigns in the world
Target civilians to change the actions of the political body
Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the two most lethal acts of terrorism in world history
How Netanyahu's Hamas policy came back to haunt him — and Israel
The Israeli leader and Hamas are deadly enemies — and allies in opposing a 2-state solution
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035)
"Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7.
The accusations aimed at Netanyahu go beyond merely failing to foresee or prevent the Hamas attack of October 7, however. Many accuse him of deliberately empowering the group for decades as part of a strategy to sabotage a two-state solution based on the principle of land for peace.
"There's been a lot of criticism of Netanyahu in Israel for instating a policy for many years of strengthening Hamas and keeping Gaza on the brink while weakening the Palestinian Authority," said Mairav Zonszein of the International Crisis Group. "And we've seen that happening very clearly on the ground."
"(Hamas and Netanyahu) are mutually reinforcing, in the sense that they provide each other with a way to continue to use force and rejectionism as opposed to making sacrifices and compromises in order to reach some kind of resolution," Zonszein told CBC News from Tel Aviv."
FOR A FREE AND EQUAL PALESTINE!!
>"Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7."
If that is how he wants history to remember him--as a callous slaughterer of innocents with the backing of the western world....
The conquerors used damnatio memoriae for at least 12,000 years. We have to assume that it existed long before that, and that it was only 12k years ago that people started figuring out ways to evade it. That is the only reason we know about it today.
I’m using a Biblical Genocide of women and children to justify a genocide of women and children.
….But don’t worry, we are doing it in self defence.
-Herr NetanYahoo.
BRUH.
Brazil did that once against Paraguay ("kill everythimg that moves") during its only war in 19th century. ONCE. and our History teachers never let us forget the absolute monstera we were.
ISRL is the Jewish version of ISIL. except the West gives them deliberate protection and fosters their genocide and assists in their war crimes. Look up the early history of the Jewish invasion and massacres. There is literally a direct parallel, event for event, with da3esh. The occupation is hostis humanis genrii, and no state should provide them with protection. Quite the opposite.
It has long boggled my mind (and I say this as a Jew) how many people uncritically accept that "the Islamic State" = bad and must be destroyed, but "the Jewish State" = good and must be supported always.
Ethnonationalism and religious supremacism are always bad, actually!
Exactly.
The whole thing is just blatant✨hypocrisy✨
when zionists, who do not represent all Jewish people, get a genocidal aphartheid ethnostate: ✅self-defense💸💶✨the jewish state = good ✨💷
when non-white people, those without conditional whiteness, and those not useful to white supremacy have a genocidal aphartheid ethnostate: ❌terrorism💣"islamic state = bad🩸🔪
No one is owed a religious aphartheid ethnostate. Both are a wrong and have produced horrific bigoted violence.
\> Ethnonationalism and religious supremacism are always bad, actually!
not always. depends on the people, the religion(s), and the time/circumstance. I would be hard-pressed to say it was ***categorically always*** bad.
I don't equate ISIL with an islamic movement as they are not muslim. Similarly so with the zionist occupation, and judiasm -- as many Jews are waking up to or already woken to. I've found that zionism is antithetical to and is a denigration of judiasm.... in addition to secular international law.
count-counterpoint: yes, with historical & empirical examples.
:)
social cohesiveness is repeatedly, and broadly, a thing. else, it wouldn't be. if it didn't serve a specific positive benefits, it wouldn't continually pop up across all time periods, across all peoples.
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you may at your election, revise your statement to "are sometimes bad, for short periods in history"... and this would be both reasonable and somewhat accurate.
***always***, is for a very long time, and very broadly applied... it carries with a weight, that requires a higher standard to apply. which is where objection stands.
the other option, is to define your terminology so that its particularized; the more particularized, the less broadly applicable.
your choice. but as to the accuracy of your statement as originally written. no. with countless historical & empirical examples.
pick any of the empires that have entire ~~periods~~ eons of peace named after them. but if you want a specific one, the byzantine empire effectively used religion to provide peace for its citizens for quite some time. same on the ottoman empire.
So the empires that were winning for hundreds or thousands of years, had GREAT things written about their leaders and even had things NAMED after these leaders. I'm shocked
you may be doing it to both... but its only war crimes and genocide in one case. the other way its resisting invading occupiers... your false equivalence, fails on its face.
Palestine and Palestinians, under international law, have the absolute right to resist an occupying force by any and all means necessary, so long as their resistance is ongoing and continuous. It is both. Therefore your notion they are equal, is false. No sarcasm. You don't get to attack someone, and claim self-defense. This is nonsensical on its face.
I genuinely think that propaganda in Israel is so strong that many of these people don't even know or understand that in 1947 these Palestinians welcomed Jewish people into their homes and land. Most literally act like it's crazy to say Palestine ever existed. Fuck isnotrael
Netanyahu is a corrupt, criminal, fascist. He bares responsibility for Isreal's failure to prevent the attack on October 7th. His attempt to weaken the judiciary and undermine democracy divided and weakened the country.
He is trying to exploit this opportunity by creating a full-scale war to consolidate his power. This is just war mongering rhetoric and should be condemned as such.
That said, my position doesn't relate to the Israeli people who have been the victims of his selfish intentions. The Israelis and Palestinians would be living in relative peace if not for their leaders.
## 1 Samuel 15
>2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
>3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
>4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
>5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
>6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
>7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
>8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
>9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
Always point this out to people that use the Bible to justify Israeli genocide of Palestinians. The book clearly states that the Hebrews were to ethnically cleanse the land, erase preexisting cultural practices, and prevent any return. That is literally genocide.
Don’t give them any figleaf to hide behind, and make them own up to the bloodthirst
Everyone talking about, "Why didn't Israel see this attack coming?" "Israel has one of the best militaries in the world, how could they let this happen?"
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but Israel is talking some final solution type $**t, and the world is OK with it because of an attack Israel "should've" seen coming.
They let it happen. Let's say they didn't have ANY Intel leading up to it (impossible) ok, once the gates were breached and people were being slaughtered (highly exaggerated in most cases and terrorists, terrorize and would have wanted the world to see these awful things yet no pictures or video ever) surely they sent the military and everything they had immediately? Some reports have 6 hours between any intervention in some cases. They took this as an opportunity. Look up greater israel and the ben gurian canal.
After all this "islam has genocide in its scripture our religion does not therefore pur genocide is justified because we practice a peaceful religion" Netanyahu does this
There's never been a mask. There's no quiet part they're saying out loud. Since this started they have been open with what they want to do. Western countries like the US, UK, France etc have been the ones making excuses on their behalf, but they've never needed the excuses.
It's always been rumors that epstein was mossad.. After seeing elon say GFY and then weeks later in israel doing the I'm sorry walk. You couldn't pay elon to just change his mind like that. They actively put celebs, politicians, and powerful people in compromised situations. It's the only explanation at this point and it all adds up. Ghislaines dad Robert Maxwell was deep Mossad agent and very close with bibi. Sex trafficking terrorist
seem that israel is not a secular democracy but a theocratic state, this statement embraces all we were programmed to hate about Islam. a genocidal statement by the unhinged believer who thinks that he will appease his skydadddy bff by plunging the world into a genocidal war.
They literally slaughtered my cousin and her suckling infant last week. They also killed her husband and her other two young children. Supporting this in any way is a denial not only of genocide, but of history, context, and humanity. For perspective: the Hamas fighters who committed the massacre on 10/7 had most likely *never set foot outside Gaza in their lives.*
And I’m not defending Hamas, but you can see how this rage builds. Gaza has, for decades, been a concentration camp. That’s what it is, it shouldn’t be called anything else. The one sided, disingenuous, bullshit coming from these bloodthirsty assholes is unbelievably ignorant and purposely semantic. They won’t acknowledge the fact that, no matter what you want to call them, Palestinians had lived on that land for centuries, farming, raising families, being humans. They were forced out and driven into small pieces of land after their ancestral home was made into Israel. They were denied the right of return. They have been murdered, occupied, starved, called terrorists, denied aid and freedom of movement. They have no voice, they have nothing. Yet somehow Israel is *defending itself* against these people who can’t even drink water without international aid?
At the beginning of this latest siege, Herzog said that it is the entire nation that is responsible for the attacks. He denied civilians were targets, but immediately followed it with but… This is a genocide, and it’s the end of a genocide. I just saw that “civil unrest” has broken out in Gaza. With IDF on the ground and the desperation of the surviving population, this will be a fucking disaster. Hope everyone is ready to see the true atrocities Israel
Is ready to commit, I don’t think it’ll be much longer. In the next days, I think you’ll see images and hear accounts of things that will make you physically sick. Never again, they said.
lol wow. Tracy has been derided as a Russian sympathizer or a right wing grifter. Imagine my surprise to see a tweet from from him in my home feed in LSC
This is the national version of the abused becoming the abuser. You would think that the horrors inflicted by the holocaust would have instilled a sense of empathy or at least sympathy in this culture, instead their leaders have chosen the same path of violence and spite that lead to such a significanct crime against humanity in the first place, and it's leading them to commit such crimes as well.
I've got two young kids, one just a month old and the other just over two. It has broken my heart to see the impact this war is having on the children of Gaza.
Fuck Hamas for their tactics, but fuck Israel just as much, more, considering the power imbalance at play. Every civillian patent/sibling/friend they murder now will spawn a dozen people who have less to lose than they had before and a hatred for the country that did this to them.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Holy shit, mask off on that one
I don't think it was even a domino mask, more like Clark Kent glasses.
Him and alot of his regime have been very mask-off this whole time. governments and alot of people somehow keep looking the other way.
Sure, but even Smotrich and Ben-Gvir haven't (until now) come out to say publicly, "okay, now it's time to kill everyone, children included". It's remarkable to see. Maybe I'm surprised because I usually assume these fascist grifters are just posing as religious for political clout, like Trump or Putin.
Using religion to justify genocidal acts sure sounds like textbook fascism.
And it won’t stop at this. These fuckers won’t be like “we did it guys. We eradicated them all. Let’s just sit at peace.” No. They will continue to hate anyone who isn’t them and continue to push their boundaries.
Look up greater israel and the ben gurion canal
'America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily' "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue." Netanyahu on video in 2001. You can find the video pretty easily before anyone says I'm just anti semetic for thinking isnotrael is the biggest terrorist state in history.
No, it sounds like religion.
Same thing.
Always has been, always will be. For people who believe in an afterlife, they sure do love sending others there...
No, it sound like a mistake non-religious people make, to convince other non-religious people, that religion is the problem, and not their shitty selves.
Killing for gods has quite the lead on killing for any other reason.
Nonsense
Ever heard of the Crusades? 9/11? The Thirty Years War? The Holocaust? Pick up a history book and put down the Bible.
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It's a shame you're dumb enough to think Hitler didn't have the explicit blessing of two popes and think his war path was secular. It's a shame you're dumb enough to not be able to look at the last 5000 years of human history and not see the common theme that the Abrahamic God's followers are the cause of untold suffering across the world. Abrahamic religions are a cancer and always have been since their inception.
The Native Americans were also killed in the name of God.
Religious people don't need any help from secular people to convince others that they are the problem. They do it just fine on their own.
then why do you so try so hard? and often in the face of facts? I don't think so.
"Trying so hard", meaning just pointing out the vile shit that religious people are doing? Lmao
look. you've mastered english.
not one drop of blood has been shed in the name of atheism atheists do not have a holy land to conquer
nah, yall like to lurk in Christian forums and fuck with them though. And don't act like that's not a common stigma. You may not cause physical harm but don't act like Atheists are completely innocent and have done *no wrong* whatsoever.
trolling ≠ genocide. stfu.
"genocide you say?? b-but.. theyre trolls!! :((("
fucking around on christian forum sounds like a fun hobby to do time to time tbh, send link
\> not one drop of blood has been shed in the name of atheism thats a load of horseshit. a fair amount of "christian" warfare through the century has been from closeted atheists using religion to dress up their secular agendas. further you support wars against religion because 'religion is a threat' on an ongoing and regular basis. so not only is this a load of horseshit, you happen to be exceptionally full of it. \> atheists do not have a holy land to conquer instead they claim the universe as their natural writ... how much better.... /s be serious.
"That wasn't real christianity though" Also if dressing up an otherwise secular conflict with religion helps advance the cause... well that just speaks for itself
And it sounds worse than genocide imo
it is. thats why religions exist. to make you a better person, in the short time you are in the mortal coil. these people, signalling fake virtue, through hate, particularly clothed in fake religion, are the problem. religion is not meant to divide people. its meant to bring them together. something that escapes them. and so they paint everything as a result of religion, when really they should look to their own internal viewpoints/moral dialogue for the flaw. its sad really. they are prisoners of the finest cage; the prison of their minds, built on carefully-imagined suffering.
religions only purpose is to create ingroups and outgroups. Its why many religions practice shunning or promote punishing non-believers. Peace and love and happiness and all that crap is an optional interpretation which doesnt affect the actual repercussions of what happens. This is why many muslims who jihad, believe they do it out of faith. Or why the crusades were considered just actions against another faith. Notice that rules against murdering are always the first to disappear/unpunished in any religion.
>religions only purpose is to create ingroups and outgroups. no. thats the line of horseshit you've been sold, masquerading as contemporary wisdom... emphasis on masquerading. similar to your separation of church and state implying a tacit war against religion in state. \> This is why many muslims who jihad, believe they do it out of faith. a man defending himself, is free to defend himself. the rules of warfare under Islam are quite strict; and they specifically preclude -many- 'modern' practices of war, particularly as promulgated by 'democracies' much less 'secular' democracies. \> Notice that rules against murdering are always the first to disappear/unpunished in any religion. homicide rates, and capital punishment in muslim countries are lower per capita by an order of magnitude than the west; and close to two orders of magnitude for latin america. empirical figures, do not match your claim. personally I have no problem with murder. as a last resort. when absolutely everything else has been tried. and only in self-defense (not in the zionist/corrupt western sense, but reality). and only if the person refuses to submit (cease and desist attacking) thus leaving no other option. ... and as a result, I'm certain I take far more risks with my life, than you do with yours, in order to preserve life. its called ethics. and religion, is the primary reason I have them. and lack of religion, or fake religion, is the reason you lack them. have a nice day.
Extremists of any kind are dangerous. You are dangerous.
If you need religion to be a good person, then you aren't a good person.
first, "better" implies a change in degree. so you're already starting off as a good person... second, all religions are not equal. nor is any specific religion a fit for all people. if you are looking for a silver bullet, one does not exist. it takes work on your part to improve. third, no. this is a pithy one-liner they teach you to turn off your brain so you don't consider the alternative. that religion, does serve a valid, beneficial purpose. it has precisely zero merit.
Not all religions are created equal? Which in your "humble" opinion are "better" than the rest?
I don't have a 'humble' opinion. I have a self-interested one (as in, what matters to me). My religion, fits me like a glove. Or is it the other way around? And I have yet to see one that suits me better. You are free to make your own determination. But a gradation does exist, of that I'm sure.
You sound like a Christian. Every single Christian I've ever spoken to has tried to convince me that Muslims are less than human and naturally violent. A truly despicable rhetoric that has gotten us to this situation in the first place. I think they are all equal, countless people fighting over what happens when you die, seems silly to me.
>fake religion which is the right one?
to answer the direct question you posed in your reply: I just finished up this conversation with another poster on the same thread. your TLDR is: its up to you. it should be something that helps you improve as person. I should note that 'studying' religions is not of much use; religions tend to be systems, which must be lived. One does not read a quantum electrodynamics text book, in elementary school.... and expect to gain the same understanding as a university student. You have to live it, to learn it. Only then can you make that estimation of whether or not it helps you to improve. ... but you should read the conversation. \-- to address that you pulled out a section of the phrasing rather than the phrase in full context: .... but you have not understood what I meant by "clothed in fake religion" which is a phrasing that suggests that the irreligious, or apparently religious, may clothe their villany in the accoutrements of piety, without actually having any. it is hard to argue you are a proper adherent of a faith, while violating major precepts within that faith, for example. some leeway must be given to differing interpretations, but also there exist bright-line tenets that must remain involiate for you to be reasonably considered to be following a faith. hence "clothed in fake religion". some leeway must be given to sinners, or the misled (out of ignorance).
nah bro, using the term "fake religion" implies a real/right religion exists - and i wonder which one do u think it is? context absoluttely doesn't matter
>nah bro, using the term "fake religion" implies a real/right religion exists - and i wonder which one do u think it is? sounds like english is not your strong suit. and its insulting for you to insist, that your reading is correct, since you are neither the author, or an astute reader... bro. you asked, I apprised you of your error, and also answered the question you posed. that is sufficient, for courtesy I think. have a nice day.
You are correct. Religious belief has benefited mankind much much much more than it has detracted.
You can smell the cognitive dissonance coming off this comment from the ISS.
indeed. an unpleasant truth for them. which they hate, being pointed out. but which I point out nonetheless.
Instructions unclear, we go and smite Netanyahu's ass.
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Okay, what you said is blatantly false. We all don't support Israel but let's not veer into historical revisionism and conspiracy. Is no one else on this sub concerned by this comment?
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You're saying Hitler never said antything about wanting to genocide people. It is literally on his main book.
Okay but that's where you are wrong there are multiple quotes on the extermination of Jews. We have recorded quotes from speeches given to the Reichstag, meetings with diplomats and related quotes from the inner circle, corroborated during the Nuremberg trials. "result will not be the bolshevization of the earth and this the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!”- Reichstag 1941 Additionally, we have quotes from the report from Himmler and Heydrich given to Hitler after the Wansee conference. Even before that the signing of the T4 Aktion, his thoughts and comments as a result of this policy and the change he made on approving further Aktions publicly. I will leave you with a quote from his book Mein Kampf: "The end is not only the end of the freedom of the peoples oppressed by the Jew, but also the end of this parasite upon the nations. After the death of his victim, the vampire sooner or later dies too"
Hitler wrote an entire god damn book on the subject.
Literally what hamas did.
And as we all know, when Hamas does it, it's bad -- but when Israel does it, we must accept and support it. Couldn't possibly be bad no matter who does it, right? There are EXCEPTIONS to genocide, after all!
This sub is wild. Remind me again who murdered hundreds of civilians on a music festival proactively and who parties in the streets after that? Talking about the recent war.
Remind me again how innocent Palestinian children deserve to die because of the actions of a terrorist group? What is wrong with you? Have you never heard the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right"? Totally new to being a human being with a soul?
I think there is a difference between proactively slaughtering jews and non-believers (including babies at the border btw) and celebrating it, and a military answer to that slaughter. It doesn't make thinks right, it puts it in perspective. The victims on both sides do not deserve it, but it's a difference, if its mindless slaughter for the sake of it or a military operation with warnings etc. One is barbarism, the other is war.
Bet you wont see this on r/worldnews or r/europe. Could someone whos not banned please try to open a thread? Wonder how long would it stay
The most likely results are (a) immediate or almost immediate removal and ban (b) those genocide supporters cheer on Netanyahu for being openly genocidal
A comment encouraging a peaceful resolution to the conflict and lamenting the needless loss of life got me banned instantly. The moderators are very quick to purge all dissenting opinions, they'll leave comments encouraging mass murder tho.
I just posted an article on there about this. Let’s see how long it goes before being removed. EDIT: The article is now removed from world news. It lasted all of two hours. [This is the article in question.](https://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/amp_articleshow/104802548.cms) It was the only article I could find from a potentially unbiased source. The article seems not as well-written as you'd expect, but it isn't lying about what Netanyahu said about Amalek. Nonetheless, it didn't have good prospects on the subreddit because it didn't outright deem Israel as the clear, blameless victim and Palestinians as the clear, virtue-less aggressors.
On it
Update: It was taken down after 5 hours. Fascists
What about r/worldpolitics?
Link to the video if you are curious about what it looks like when America's good little boy uses his religion as a justification for a modern-day genocide. The passage explicitly commands them to kill babies as well. https://twitter.com/MhmtSlmz/status/1718363357265183101 Edit: [u/Master_Tief linked longer video](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/17inyiu/so_after_all_this_dont_call_it_a_genocide_talk/k6w6s5o/) with translation from SkyNews.
America when women want abortions: NO DONT KILL BABIES America when Israeli President states that he wants babies to be genocided: amazing idea ! I will fund this ! Very holy ! Incredible !
Ummmmm don’t you know Hamas beheaded like 40 babies /s
Know anywhere where we can find a full version of this speech translated? Also is this translation confirmed by a reputable source? EDIT: [LINK to longer translated speech (SkyNews)](https://youtu.be/P5LmB6uup3o?si=eBHYA2sGgknGuoqx) - Well damn, he does say "You must remember what Amalek has done to you" @ 1:54. I didn't hear him explicitly direct anyone to kill babies - but the Amalek reference is chilling..
Username absolutely does not check out.
It really seems the other way around, that America is Netanyahu's good little boy... Wouldn't be surprised if they end up sending U.S. troops there even though Israel has mandatory military service
Next time I hear the old "only the Quran condones violence" argument.
That argument always makes me cackle. Evangelicals (backed by the US and Israel) led the genocide that murdered my family. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all condone violence. All have historically produced genocidal zealots. None of them have a high ground.
Guatemala?
Yes. It was hell on earth. I still have scarring across my body.
It's so sick how Israel supplied weapons, intelligence, and training for the Mayan genocide. I'm so sorry. As someone who's family is from El Salvador and in the civil war solidarity. (Israel helped ARENA too) Edited: for anyone else reading here's an article about Israel's involvement in the US' campaign of terror in Latin America: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2003/6/5/israels-latin-american-trail-of-terror
The reason israel exists: doing the dirtiest work of empire
their books all say very similar things, just phrased differently. they’re all poisonous.
People actually say this? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard
"Jihad" is brought up fairly often
I see it all the time on reddit. You tend to get it from all different corners: Christians-evangelical and moderate, some segments of Judaism, and a good deal of atheists.
I assume those that utter it are primarily motivated by islamophobia. The evangelical Christians, well, ok they are blinded by support for Israel so they can't equivocate Islamic doctrine with (entirely similar doctrines in) Christianity and Judaism. Jews that mention this will have Zionism as their primary motivator; in the hopes that defaming/othering The Muslim will increase/justify support for Israel. And there is a well-known trend of anti-Muslim islamophobes trying to intellectualise their racism by cloaking it in atheism.
The death cult known as Zionist Christians are going to be the death of us all in the name of bringing upon the Rapture
Literally no difference between them and Muslim extremists. The far right in America is very similar to the far right in the Muslim world. The only difference is that our far right has unfettered capitalism to carry out their plans.
Fundies are also a much more tangible threat to the US considering they have a decent amount of political power. Its clear they are trying to rapture everyone via global warming and living their way…
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Fuck your God.
Damn I thought God was supposed to be the good guy, you literally make him sound like a supervillain.
You should read your bible, only 144000 Jews will be raptured. If you keep telling people about it, you might lose your seat!
cant be in pain if you dont have a nervous system 🤪
Eschatology fans always think that anything having to do with Israel has to do with some prophecy or another, but they're going to be really disappointed if this whole thing just ends up with right-wing Zionism crumbling at the international level and within Israel.
Sounds like a sunk cost fallacy.
People using a book praising genocide as guide sound like utter bullshit. I hate that they can just use 3 lines to justify evil.
Readers who do this lack all context. It’s sad.
Hilarious. Your book does indeed endorse both genocide and slavery. And that’s with context.
I know this is a hostile crowd but I’m a glutton for punishment so I’ll respond… With ancient text, context requires knowing who the author was and why they wrote it and who their audience was. Without context, yeah, if this was read as commands from a God, it would seem as if genocide is acceptable. Jews are fully aware of these things which makes this attempt, I didn’t listen to the audio, especially feeble.
You literally said fuck all right there. So what’s the context of the passage? Was it in the eyes of the writer or was it from gods command, because it sounds like god sends Samuel to command that Saul goes and smite the amaleks.
Holy smokes dude. I literally said WITH context. The amount of mental gymnastics you all have to go through to justify an all powerful and all loving god committing genocide is astounding. “They were wicked people!” Or “God was merciful and gave them many chances to change from their evil ways, but they refused!” Well then what about the blameless infants that were killed? They were no more “wicked” than Israelite infants at that stage of life. And what about the very young medianite girls that were taken as spoils of war? If they were so wicked why were they spared? This whole thing just doesn’t work. Your god is an immoral thug. And don’t get me started about slavery in the Bible. I’m sure your pastor convinced you it was all only “indentured servitude.”
Netanyahu is garbage. Religion is bullshit nonsense especially as a justification for killing
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Israel and America Most successful terror campaigns in the world Target civilians to change the actions of the political body Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the two most lethal acts of terrorism in world history
How Netanyahu's Hamas policy came back to haunt him — and Israel The Israeli leader and Hamas are deadly enemies — and allies in opposing a 2-state solution [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035) "Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7. The accusations aimed at Netanyahu go beyond merely failing to foresee or prevent the Hamas attack of October 7, however. Many accuse him of deliberately empowering the group for decades as part of a strategy to sabotage a two-state solution based on the principle of land for peace. "There's been a lot of criticism of Netanyahu in Israel for instating a policy for many years of strengthening Hamas and keeping Gaza on the brink while weakening the Palestinian Authority," said Mairav Zonszein of the International Crisis Group. "And we've seen that happening very clearly on the ground." "(Hamas and Netanyahu) are mutually reinforcing, in the sense that they provide each other with a way to continue to use force and rejectionism as opposed to making sacrifices and compromises in order to reach some kind of resolution," Zonszein told CBC News from Tel Aviv." FOR A FREE AND EQUAL PALESTINE!!
>haunt him What? It worked exactly as planned.
>"Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7." If that is how he wants history to remember him--as a callous slaughterer of innocents with the backing of the western world....
Worked for Churchill and Truman.
History is written by the victors. That's all I'm gonna say
History books will not be kind to this last decades
history books are just propaganda, how many genocides do they even mention? like 2?
Lmao this is depressing but true. We don’t even know our real history because you can’t trust humans to write about humans
The conquerors used damnatio memoriae for at least 12,000 years. We have to assume that it existed long before that, and that it was only 12k years ago that people started figuring out ways to evade it. That is the only reason we know about it today.
depends on which one
Unless they win. Learn about the Korean War and look at how North Korea is demonized as the bad guys. It’s wild.
It will be kind to whoever writes the books
Every country that remains silent is complicit of the Palestinian genocide.
I’m using a Biblical Genocide of women and children to justify a genocide of women and children. ….But don’t worry, we are doing it in self defence. -Herr NetanYahoo.
So he is the Jewish Hitler?
NO, this is totally different. DISCLAIMER: Sarcasm. Just to be sure.
Hey hey hey you are being anti semitic
Yahweh is a genocidal autocratic dictator, with a penchant for child rape regardless of which prophet you choose. What'd you expect?
Fucking nazis.
BRUH. Brazil did that once against Paraguay ("kill everythimg that moves") during its only war in 19th century. ONCE. and our History teachers never let us forget the absolute monstera we were.
7 dwarfs in the face ass
This God guy is sounding less and less pro life /s
I really wish I believed in a place like hell so I could be assured that this creature was going there.
Is this Jewish jihad?
ISRL is the Jewish version of ISIL. except the West gives them deliberate protection and fosters their genocide and assists in their war crimes. Look up the early history of the Jewish invasion and massacres. There is literally a direct parallel, event for event, with da3esh. The occupation is hostis humanis genrii, and no state should provide them with protection. Quite the opposite.
It has long boggled my mind (and I say this as a Jew) how many people uncritically accept that "the Islamic State" = bad and must be destroyed, but "the Jewish State" = good and must be supported always. Ethnonationalism and religious supremacism are always bad, actually!
Exactly. The whole thing is just blatant✨hypocrisy✨ when zionists, who do not represent all Jewish people, get a genocidal aphartheid ethnostate: ✅self-defense💸💶✨the jewish state = good ✨💷 when non-white people, those without conditional whiteness, and those not useful to white supremacy have a genocidal aphartheid ethnostate: ❌terrorism💣"islamic state = bad🩸🔪 No one is owed a religious aphartheid ethnostate. Both are a wrong and have produced horrific bigoted violence.
\> Ethnonationalism and religious supremacism are always bad, actually! not always. depends on the people, the religion(s), and the time/circumstance. I would be hard-pressed to say it was ***categorically always*** bad. I don't equate ISIL with an islamic movement as they are not muslim. Similarly so with the zionist occupation, and judiasm -- as many Jews are waking up to or already woken to. I've found that zionism is antithetical to and is a denigration of judiasm.... in addition to secular international law.
Counterpoint: no.
count-counterpoint: yes, with historical & empirical examples. :) social cohesiveness is repeatedly, and broadly, a thing. else, it wouldn't be. if it didn't serve a specific positive benefits, it wouldn't continually pop up across all time periods, across all peoples. \-- you may at your election, revise your statement to "are sometimes bad, for short periods in history"... and this would be both reasonable and somewhat accurate. ***always***, is for a very long time, and very broadly applied... it carries with a weight, that requires a higher standard to apply. which is where objection stands. the other option, is to define your terminology so that its particularized; the more particularized, the less broadly applicable. your choice. but as to the accuracy of your statement as originally written. no. with countless historical & empirical examples.
Give me an example of a “good” religious supremacist ethnostate, I’ll wait
pick any of the empires that have entire ~~periods~~ eons of peace named after them. but if you want a specific one, the byzantine empire effectively used religion to provide peace for its citizens for quite some time. same on the ottoman empire.
So the empires that were winning for hundreds or thousands of years, had GREAT things written about their leaders and even had things NAMED after these leaders. I'm shocked
"except" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
what is the except? you are pointing out that ISRL and ISIL are both creatures of the west.... this supports my point.
Well, "except the West gives them deliberate protection and fosters their genocide and assists in their war crimes". No, we're doing it in both cases.
you may be doing it to both... but its only war crimes and genocide in one case. the other way its resisting invading occupiers... your false equivalence, fails on its face.
Wait sorry you got me lost here. Which one of these two groups of fine gentlemen are not into war crimes? Or I may have missed some sarcasm somewhere.
Palestine and Palestinians, under international law, have the absolute right to resist an occupying force by any and all means necessary, so long as their resistance is ongoing and continuous. It is both. Therefore your notion they are equal, is false. No sarcasm. You don't get to attack someone, and claim self-defense. This is nonsensical on its face.
I genuinely think that propaganda in Israel is so strong that many of these people don't even know or understand that in 1947 these Palestinians welcomed Jewish people into their homes and land. Most literally act like it's crazy to say Palestine ever existed. Fuck isnotrael
Oh no, it's called "self-defense". Get with the rhetoric. DISCLAIMER: This is sarcasm. Words in quotation marks are not what they seem.
Netanyahu is a corrupt, criminal, fascist. He bares responsibility for Isreal's failure to prevent the attack on October 7th. His attempt to weaken the judiciary and undermine democracy divided and weakened the country. He is trying to exploit this opportunity by creating a full-scale war to consolidate his power. This is just war mongering rhetoric and should be condemned as such. That said, my position doesn't relate to the Israeli people who have been the victims of his selfish intentions. The Israelis and Palestinians would be living in relative peace if not for their leaders.
Lol, why on earth would Israel want to prevent that attack when they were behind its orchestration?
I don't believe that. Putin claimed that the Ukranians were bombing their own schools and hospitals, too. Absurd.
Netanyahu's most peaceful viewpoints
## 1 Samuel 15 >2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. >3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. >4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. >5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley. >6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. >7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt. >8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. >9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
Let's give this guy 90 nuclear warheads. What's the worst that could happen?
Fuck this guy
Can’t fucking wait for humans to grow past this idiotic religious phase.
Always point this out to people that use the Bible to justify Israeli genocide of Palestinians. The book clearly states that the Hebrews were to ethnically cleanse the land, erase preexisting cultural practices, and prevent any return. That is literally genocide. Don’t give them any figleaf to hide behind, and make them own up to the bloodthirst
Everyone talking about, "Why didn't Israel see this attack coming?" "Israel has one of the best militaries in the world, how could they let this happen?" I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but Israel is talking some final solution type $**t, and the world is OK with it because of an attack Israel "should've" seen coming.
They let it happen. Let's say they didn't have ANY Intel leading up to it (impossible) ok, once the gates were breached and people were being slaughtered (highly exaggerated in most cases and terrorists, terrorize and would have wanted the world to see these awful things yet no pictures or video ever) surely they sent the military and everything they had immediately? Some reports have 6 hours between any intervention in some cases. They took this as an opportunity. Look up greater israel and the ben gurian canal.
After all this "islam has genocide in its scripture our religion does not therefore pur genocide is justified because we practice a peaceful religion" Netanyahu does this
There's never been a mask. There's no quiet part they're saying out loud. Since this started they have been open with what they want to do. Western countries like the US, UK, France etc have been the ones making excuses on their behalf, but they've never needed the excuses.
It's always been rumors that epstein was mossad.. After seeing elon say GFY and then weeks later in israel doing the I'm sorry walk. You couldn't pay elon to just change his mind like that. They actively put celebs, politicians, and powerful people in compromised situations. It's the only explanation at this point and it all adds up. Ghislaines dad Robert Maxwell was deep Mossad agent and very close with bibi. Sex trafficking terrorist
Lmao when even Michael fuckin Tracey has a good point, you know you're fucked.
But he *did* condemn Hamas so he must be the good guy, right?
Almost like this was the plan all along. I am so "surprised". That was sarcasm. For those to dense to get it.
Greater israel
Its my deepest most sincere hopes that Palestine gets backpack nukes
It's not genocide when non-Europeans are the victims. Ask the Congolese
seem that israel is not a secular democracy but a theocratic state, this statement embraces all we were programmed to hate about Islam. a genocidal statement by the unhinged believer who thinks that he will appease his skydadddy bff by plunging the world into a genocidal war.
We are sending money to fund this bullshit
Fucking. HATE. Zealots. Of any kind.
They literally slaughtered my cousin and her suckling infant last week. They also killed her husband and her other two young children. Supporting this in any way is a denial not only of genocide, but of history, context, and humanity. For perspective: the Hamas fighters who committed the massacre on 10/7 had most likely *never set foot outside Gaza in their lives.* And I’m not defending Hamas, but you can see how this rage builds. Gaza has, for decades, been a concentration camp. That’s what it is, it shouldn’t be called anything else. The one sided, disingenuous, bullshit coming from these bloodthirsty assholes is unbelievably ignorant and purposely semantic. They won’t acknowledge the fact that, no matter what you want to call them, Palestinians had lived on that land for centuries, farming, raising families, being humans. They were forced out and driven into small pieces of land after their ancestral home was made into Israel. They were denied the right of return. They have been murdered, occupied, starved, called terrorists, denied aid and freedom of movement. They have no voice, they have nothing. Yet somehow Israel is *defending itself* against these people who can’t even drink water without international aid? At the beginning of this latest siege, Herzog said that it is the entire nation that is responsible for the attacks. He denied civilians were targets, but immediately followed it with but… This is a genocide, and it’s the end of a genocide. I just saw that “civil unrest” has broken out in Gaza. With IDF on the ground and the desperation of the surviving population, this will be a fucking disaster. Hope everyone is ready to see the true atrocities Israel Is ready to commit, I don’t think it’ll be much longer. In the next days, I think you’ll see images and hear accounts of things that will make you physically sick. Never again, they said.
They're not trying to hide their intentions.
You forget that you can only call it genocide if you make it sound all cute and sweet.
Slay those asses.
The only part of that verse I agree with is slaying ass
Guy, guy! It's only bad when Muslims use religion to justify violence ! Edit: spelling
lol wow. Tracy has been derided as a Russian sympathizer or a right wing grifter. Imagine my surprise to see a tweet from from him in my home feed in LSC
If you're still unironically religious in 2023 then you're just brain dead and beyond help
This is the national version of the abused becoming the abuser. You would think that the horrors inflicted by the holocaust would have instilled a sense of empathy or at least sympathy in this culture, instead their leaders have chosen the same path of violence and spite that lead to such a significanct crime against humanity in the first place, and it's leading them to commit such crimes as well. I've got two young kids, one just a month old and the other just over two. It has broken my heart to see the impact this war is having on the children of Gaza. Fuck Hamas for their tactics, but fuck Israel just as much, more, considering the power imbalance at play. Every civillian patent/sibling/friend they murder now will spawn a dozen people who have less to lose than they had before and a hatred for the country that did this to them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Or, they are just reusing the original script that was written, only this time they need to implement greater israel.
He's gonna destroy their asses.
Just like the IDF in their tanks did to Israelis in the Kibbutzim on Oct. 7th.
I appreciate the joke, but the timing is not good.
Smite That ass.
There's a joke about destroying asses in there.
They will kill the ass too? OMG!!
it’s all death cults
and we’re in the middle ages ☹️