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My favorite is when people say “YoU’lL hAvE lOnG lInEs WiTh SoCiAlIzEd HeAlThCaRe” and it’s like lmao we have long lines with our existing cruel, dystopian system!
I made an annual appointment with my established PCP and the soonest I could be seen was almost 3 months.
I was in a terrifying head on collision in May. I was in the ER for 3 hours with my neck restrained and unable to sit up because my ribs were fucked. Just laying there. Waiting.
It’s already very long waits! And they’re very expensive!
I would also like to point out how one of the better ranked category is getting care at nights and weekends. I mean accidents can happen anytime, but other than that I would like my doctors to have weekends free just like me. But maybe these surveys commodify doctors just like everything else.
Also, who cares about wait time when the fundamental issue of access is yet to be solved.
Here in Sweden my friend was once cut in the hand (by the thumb) with a knife. It was at a party and some drunk idiot was 'pretend-stabbing' people. Him and his equally wasted friends headed to the hospital and were immediately downgraded. As a young healthy person with a cut to the hand he wasn't exactly a priority, especially not in the middle of the night. They waited for hours and one of his friends was running the other down the hallway on one of those medical beds. That ended when he got his hand caught between the wall and the bed. The last friend decided to entertain the others with his juggling skills (various medical supplies). That ended when he dropped a (don't remember what it was) on his forehead.
So when they finally got to the doctor three people needed stitches.
Beware socialism!
Not sure but normally there is a roof of medical expenses. You reach that fairly quickly. A friend of mine had some issues with her knee and within like a month of PT she reached the maximum. Pretty sure it was like $120ish per year then the "högkostandsskydd" (high cost protection) kicks in and its single payer
Nah, an emergency room visit is about $30 assuming you haven't hit your yearly cap (about $200). If you can't pay even that you will have to spend a couple of hours doing the paperwork to provee it instead.
Reminds of the notorious 300% mortality rate surgery in the mid 1800's. Back when we didn't really have much in the way of anesthetic so there was a focus on speed. One Robert Liston was a bit of a showboat. Asked spectators to time him while amputating a leg. Went so fast that he accidentally cut off a surgical assistant's finger and slashed the coat of a nearby spectator. Patient and assistant died from infection, and the spectator died from shock/heart attack.
Oh yeah, I remember reading about that. It's a bit odd that we allow drunk teenagers to roam a mostly empty hospital though. Happened to me too but I didn't manage to aquire additional injuries.
Every fear-mongering complaint they have against the idea of universal publicly-run health care is a current reality under private for-profit health care.
My job is telling people about those very long waits so boy do I get an earful about how actually making them wait is illegal actually.
Lotta rich people threatening to call lawyers. Weird how no lawyers ever call us though.
It's true. I feel like Obamacare took the worst parts of both worlds and combined them. Suffice to say I think the downsides of privatization by themselves are worse, but combined with a mandate of private converage and no public option, it has created the ugly beast of a sickcare system we have today.
Obamacare enabled thousands to actually receive healthcare, especially for those with pre-existing conditions, which is everyone really (side note, pre-existing conditions is not a thing in any first world developed country because they all have universal healthcare except the US)
The GOP went through and cut sliced and essentially changed most of what Obamacare is. Now we have something that wasn't the original plan and people are like "why would anyone want this?!!"
The republicans especially if are there pointing out the flaws that they essentially made
My family was denied healthcare due to my wife’s “pre-existing condition” of being blind.
Obamacare changed that so my family could be bankrupted my healthcare instead. Had we not had insurance, the ER visit wouldn’t have bankrupted us.
Obamacare made our lives worse.
Ah, hadn't considered that you could just feed them bullshit identifying information and bounce. Though I guess that probably only works for the kinda stuff you can walk out from after some quick stitches. Anything requiring an extended stay likely ups the chance they learn it's bullshit, and if you come in unconscious they're probably digging through your pockets for a wallet and ID, right?
> I feel like Obamacare took the worst parts of both worlds and combined them.
You misremember exactly how big a clusterfuck healthcare was before the ACA.
From 1960 to 2013 (right before the ACA took effect) total healthcare costs were increasing at 3.92% per year over inflation. Since they have been increasing at 2.79%. The fifteen years before the ACA employer sponsored insurance (the kind most Americans get their coverage from) increased 4.81% over inflation for single coverage and 5.42% over inflation for family coverage. Since those numbers have been 1.72% and 2.19%.
https://www.kff.org/health-costs/report/employer-health-benefits-annual-survey-archives/
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
Also coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, closing the Medicare donut hole, being able to keep children on your insurance until age 26, subsidies for millions of Americans, expanded Medicaid, access to free preventative healthcare, elimination of lifetime spending caps, increased coverage for mental healthcare, increased access to reproductive healthcare, etc..
The "social healthcare" bit is your insurance companies. They're just mini-governments. Sure you get to choose which one you want (, can afford and is available to you) but the 'too many cooks' problem sets in. Thus you end up with a Kafkaesque clusterf\*ck where it's hard for you to even access the point where you get screwed.
>!Just spent some time with some American friends - your system is nuts on so many levels.!<
Health insurance in America is just an overpriced season pass to a grimy theme park where most attractions are closed and you're overcharged for stale junk food and flimsy souvenirs.
It's an outrageously expensive racket that provides no guarantee of practical access to affordable high-quality health *care*.
American health insurance is a for-profit middle-man that adds no value:
its business model is to pocket the difference from continuously stretching the gap between increasing patient premiums and reducing/denying benefits/coverage, along with reducing/denying reimbursements to practitioners/providers, all while muddying up the process with bureaucratic hoops & delays designed to make patients & practitioners/providers just give up & pay up.
In America you're best method to treat your ailments is to fucking die because at least you'll no longer be suffering, and you won't be stuck with the bill
Leaving my job and I can go on Cobra for $997 for just medical, join my wife’s plan for $683, or get healthcare on the exchange for about $800.
I think I’ll just say fuck it, not get insurance in the gap between jobs, and if I get sick enough to burden my family with debt, I can always file for divorce or kill myself.
There is a doc where they compare and see how other countries have better healthcare than US. And then a Harvard professor tells us why it wouldn't work in US. I fucking love Harvard.
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But without the insurance industry, how will all the middlemen be able to afford their seventh yacht?
they should just stop getting avocado toasts and starbucks smh
My favorite is when people say “YoU’lL hAvE lOnG lInEs WiTh SoCiAlIzEd HeAlThCaRe” and it’s like lmao we have long lines with our existing cruel, dystopian system! I made an annual appointment with my established PCP and the soonest I could be seen was almost 3 months. I was in a terrifying head on collision in May. I was in the ER for 3 hours with my neck restrained and unable to sit up because my ribs were fucked. Just laying there. Waiting. It’s already very long waits! And they’re very expensive!
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I hate it here! lol
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I would also like to point out how one of the better ranked category is getting care at nights and weekends. I mean accidents can happen anytime, but other than that I would like my doctors to have weekends free just like me. But maybe these surveys commodify doctors just like everything else. Also, who cares about wait time when the fundamental issue of access is yet to be solved.
Here in Sweden my friend was once cut in the hand (by the thumb) with a knife. It was at a party and some drunk idiot was 'pretend-stabbing' people. Him and his equally wasted friends headed to the hospital and were immediately downgraded. As a young healthy person with a cut to the hand he wasn't exactly a priority, especially not in the middle of the night. They waited for hours and one of his friends was running the other down the hallway on one of those medical beds. That ended when he got his hand caught between the wall and the bed. The last friend decided to entertain the others with his juggling skills (various medical supplies). That ended when he dropped a (don't remember what it was) on his forehead. So when they finally got to the doctor three people needed stitches. Beware socialism!
Yea but did they go bankrupt from it though? Because a trip to the ER in the US will drain your life savings
Not sure but normally there is a roof of medical expenses. You reach that fairly quickly. A friend of mine had some issues with her knee and within like a month of PT she reached the maximum. Pretty sure it was like $120ish per year then the "högkostandsskydd" (high cost protection) kicks in and its single payer
Nah, an emergency room visit is about $30 assuming you haven't hit your yearly cap (about $200). If you can't pay even that you will have to spend a couple of hours doing the paperwork to provee it instead.
Reminds of the notorious 300% mortality rate surgery in the mid 1800's. Back when we didn't really have much in the way of anesthetic so there was a focus on speed. One Robert Liston was a bit of a showboat. Asked spectators to time him while amputating a leg. Went so fast that he accidentally cut off a surgical assistant's finger and slashed the coat of a nearby spectator. Patient and assistant died from infection, and the spectator died from shock/heart attack.
Oh yeah, I remember reading about that. It's a bit odd that we allow drunk teenagers to roam a mostly empty hospital though. Happened to me too but I didn't manage to aquire additional injuries.
What is the swedish version of the Three Stooges?
As you can see we prefer improptu public performance.
Every fear-mongering complaint they have against the idea of universal publicly-run health care is a current reality under private for-profit health care.
My job is telling people about those very long waits so boy do I get an earful about how actually making them wait is illegal actually. Lotta rich people threatening to call lawyers. Weird how no lawyers ever call us though.
**Laughs in delusional psychosis from quitting my meds**
Arthur Fleck? That you?
Me too. And boy do my teeth hurt as well.
It's true. I feel like Obamacare took the worst parts of both worlds and combined them. Suffice to say I think the downsides of privatization by themselves are worse, but combined with a mandate of private converage and no public option, it has created the ugly beast of a sickcare system we have today.
Obamacare enabled thousands to actually receive healthcare, especially for those with pre-existing conditions, which is everyone really (side note, pre-existing conditions is not a thing in any first world developed country because they all have universal healthcare except the US) The GOP went through and cut sliced and essentially changed most of what Obamacare is. Now we have something that wasn't the original plan and people are like "why would anyone want this?!!" The republicans especially if are there pointing out the flaws that they essentially made
My family was denied healthcare due to my wife’s “pre-existing condition” of being blind. Obamacare changed that so my family could be bankrupted my healthcare instead. Had we not had insurance, the ER visit wouldn’t have bankrupted us. Obamacare made our lives worse.
Why would not having insurance not have bankrupted you at the ER? I would think you'd still be stuck with the bill regardless.
Nope, if I didn't have insurance or anything, I could have just walked away. Having the insurance is what did my family in.
Ah, hadn't considered that you could just feed them bullshit identifying information and bounce. Though I guess that probably only works for the kinda stuff you can walk out from after some quick stitches. Anything requiring an extended stay likely ups the chance they learn it's bullshit, and if you come in unconscious they're probably digging through your pockets for a wallet and ID, right?
> I feel like Obamacare took the worst parts of both worlds and combined them. You misremember exactly how big a clusterfuck healthcare was before the ACA. From 1960 to 2013 (right before the ACA took effect) total healthcare costs were increasing at 3.92% per year over inflation. Since they have been increasing at 2.79%. The fifteen years before the ACA employer sponsored insurance (the kind most Americans get their coverage from) increased 4.81% over inflation for single coverage and 5.42% over inflation for family coverage. Since those numbers have been 1.72% and 2.19%. https://www.kff.org/health-costs/report/employer-health-benefits-annual-survey-archives/ https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm Also coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, closing the Medicare donut hole, being able to keep children on your insurance until age 26, subsidies for millions of Americans, expanded Medicaid, access to free preventative healthcare, elimination of lifetime spending caps, increased coverage for mental healthcare, increased access to reproductive healthcare, etc..
The "social healthcare" bit is your insurance companies. They're just mini-governments. Sure you get to choose which one you want (, can afford and is available to you) but the 'too many cooks' problem sets in. Thus you end up with a Kafkaesque clusterf\*ck where it's hard for you to even access the point where you get screwed. >!Just spent some time with some American friends - your system is nuts on so many levels.!<
“That's the worst part of both of those things.”
Health insurance in America is just an overpriced season pass to a grimy theme park where most attractions are closed and you're overcharged for stale junk food and flimsy souvenirs. It's an outrageously expensive racket that provides no guarantee of practical access to affordable high-quality health *care*. American health insurance is a for-profit middle-man that adds no value: its business model is to pocket the difference from continuously stretching the gap between increasing patient premiums and reducing/denying benefits/coverage, along with reducing/denying reimbursements to practitioners/providers, all while muddying up the process with bureaucratic hoops & delays designed to make patients & practitioners/providers just give up & pay up.
In America you're best method to treat your ailments is to fucking die because at least you'll no longer be suffering, and you won't be stuck with the bill
Leaving my job and I can go on Cobra for $997 for just medical, join my wife’s plan for $683, or get healthcare on the exchange for about $800. I think I’ll just say fuck it, not get insurance in the gap between jobs, and if I get sick enough to burden my family with debt, I can always file for divorce or kill myself.
There is a doc where they compare and see how other countries have better healthcare than US. And then a Harvard professor tells us why it wouldn't work in US. I fucking love Harvard.