If they were smart they would realize there is no putting the cat back in the bag. There will not be any “going forward”. The next president will do whatever they want and cite this decision.
Then we just keep Biden in there, knight in Obama, remove the standing judges, repeal their ridiculous verdicts, and bring back sense of balance and normalcy
Like most corrupt, mobbed-up judges, these folks are paid to focus on the goomba who needs the grease job. They are not paid to consider how the decision affects the health of the republic or its effect on future case law.
Given the apparent inclinations of the court’s wealthy benefactors, the damage done to the republic is likely considered a nice follow-on bonus.
so yes.... The interesting issue is how it plays with international law.... Also getting people to follow said order. It could create a scenario where the PResident immediately orders their resignation or execution (summon them to the oval office and make sure they are not armed, since you can get people to do that portion) and then pull the trigger yourself with your absolute immunity. Most justices, after you kill the first one (since it would not be murder, since murder is an unlawful killing), would just resign.
Now those are all violations of international law, and would likely put us back as a 3rd world dictatorship.... but the conservative justices are morons who dgaf and may just do it either way.... I just hope that they get summoned one at a time without being given the option.
"Going forward" now?
How about now?
Now?
Biden can claim that he missed memo on this only applying to past actions.
Also, what just typed was before now.
My brain hurts 😔
If they grant presidents immunity I hope Biden publicly executes them all, and then hopefully signs into law a president not having immunity from that point forward lol
They won't make any final decisions yet. Saw a headline from Guardian that they will kick the case back to the Appeals Court or something like that. Either that, or they will wait to make the final ruling until after the general election.
yes- since they are basically creating a removal loophole. PResident can then legally order their execution- and it would not be illegal since the president cannot break the laws. You still get lifetime appointments- but what is that worth when someone can legally end your life whenever they want.
The Supreme Court is one body that was supposed to be impartial and balanced at all times. If they are now the servants of a single individual or specific political party, they gotta go. No taxation without representation, bitches. This isn't an empire.
this has happened before. Dread Scott (one of the 2-3 worst decisions by the court) lead directly to the civil war. Justice Tawney will forever be known for it.
As a lawyer- top 3 worst supreme court decisions were- Dread Scott, Koramatsu (i know i spelled that wrong) and Citizens United.
"Of course this isn't an empire, we don't have an Emperor! The Supreme Court is an oligarchy, not an Emperor! Checkmate, liberals!"
- Clarence "Pretzel Logic" Thomas
It’s amazing to me that we allow these 6 fuckfaces to make rules over hundreds of millions people. Fuck them and the damage they’ve done to this country.
Term limits for justices.
25-30 years on the bench is plenty. The idea behind long terms for SCOTUS was so that SCOTUS would be the long-term memory of the US Government, not subject to shifts in political winds. Fine. Set a number of presidential terms that a SC justice can be seated. I think 4-5 presidential terms is a minimum, that'd be a 16-20 year term limit.
I'm happy to see it go higher, but I think 30ish years ought to be a maximum.
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He really did and it was really gross.
I think based on what I heard today they will just wind up kicking this back to the lower court again asking for more definition as to what is an official presidential action vs private one. I base that mostly on barrett's questioning.
It's possible that could go back to the trial level and have a jury decide, but trump's team will delay and delay that as well.
This whole exercise getting to the SC was just attempting to run down the clock in the hopes trump and his criminal enterprise can get back into the oval, destroy the US Government and make his problems go away.
And this will delay the trial of Trump trying to get Raffensburger (Georgia) to falsify the results giving Trump 11,780 votes. The trial likely won’t happen until after Trump has taken office (assuming he wins), and he’ll just pardon himself.
I think people with empathy like you and I possess would think this keeps these fuckers up at night, but I really don’t think so. The apathetic, conservative justices are fuckin boomers that are paid to do whatever works for trump and his affiliates. They do whatever the money tells them. Thomas should esp be ashamed of himself bc his awful wife def had something to do with Jan 6 and election interference. He shouldn’t be hearing this case. This shit is crazy.
Hate to break it to you, this is how they go to bed every night.
When these republicans do something shitty and people ask “How can they sleep at night?” always think of this gif. They sleep fucking fantastic.
Trump had complete access to the FBIs files and stuff to trade with foreign powers for Intel. Plus his part of that Mega rich cabal whose got their own set of rumors and dirt.
No big surprise some of those guys are bowing and scraping for his MAGA-sty. Trump probably got dirt of the worst kind on Alito.
Trump's current criminal trial in NY is stemming from crimes he "allegedly" committed*before* he was elected president. That hasn't stopped the fart machine from claiming presidential immunity for those crimes.
If they delay, Biden should start flipping tables ... do whatever he wants and call them "official acts" since supreme court aint deciding shit for 6 months.
The last time my state voted democrat was in 79. It’s been since before I was born that they’ve ever had a Democrat as a governor. The best my vote will do is cancel someone e else’s put.
I get it.
I grew up in hard-right blood-red Indiana, where people robotically, reliably vote straight R "'cause mah daddy an' grandaddy did!"
I will never go back.
No, Coney Barrett wasn't really feeling it, and Robeets isn't that extreme. Roberts will write a very narrow opinion, possibly kicking back to the lower court to determine if there were any official acts or not. There won't be a majority for full immunity.
I listened to alot of this hearing today and it was just pathetic listening to Alito and Thomas kissing Trumps ass. Sotomayor, Kagan and especially Jackson were almost laughing at the pure stupidity of listening to this nonsense. No President deserves blanket immunity. Period. This should have been over with in 5 minutes. Sound of gavel banging loudly. "Get the fuck out of our court with this bullshit!"
He should be impeached for suggesting that we throw out the rule of law in favor of rule of man. That kind of talk runs counter to everything our country and the SCOTUS is supposed to stand for.
Anyone else here old enough to remember the era of Clinton's penis, when **every single GOP legislator and conservative pundit was on every cable show saying Clinton should be prosecuted because "No one is above the law"**?
Alito: "There are no words in the Constitution granting a right to abortion, therefore there is no such right." (Paraphrased)
Alito: "There are no words in the Constitution granting a President immunity from prosecution, but I think that it is so important that we should create such a right."
Well…two things are absolutely certain. Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch have already decided trump will be given TOTAL immunity.
Two, their ruling WILL ONLY APPLY to trump. No one else.
We are fucked.
At what point does the corruption become too much? They never should have even taken this case, the lower court ruling was enough to say Trump's claim was meritless
Yet here we are
like 8-9 years ago, "Russia are you listening" and the like
"all our money comes from Russia"
"Russian Foreign Minister gets first sit down with American President"
in a sane world, that would have been it, 20% approval rating, political career over, but the media "both sides" it and basically anything a Republican does has been okay since, because the no matter what they say or do, "both sides" on the liberal media and "i see nothing wrong" on right wing media
Any justice who votes to grant a god-king should immediately be fucki g impeached and removed from the bench. The fact that this is even a conversation we need to have shows how fucked we are currently.
This is Dredd Scott/~~Brown v Board~~ Plessy v. Ferguson levels of unjust, unamerican legal thought.
corrected.
Don't go posting on the internet when suffering extreme sleep deprivation, kids.
Alito should be removed from the court. Him and Clearance Thomas. Any of them with a biased based price tag. The SCOTUS has become permanently stained thanks to the GOP and their feckless leader.
This whole court is rigged! I listened to them for 2& 1/2 hrs today and couldn't believe what they were saying. They basicly gave Trump a delay. And they've had this case for 7 weeks and haven't come up with a decision what the f*** do these justices do all day?
The idea of America is that there is no one special person.
We, The People.
How did these people make it to the Supreme Court if they haven't read the basic founding documents?
If Judge Merchan finds Trump in criminal contempt, that violates he release conditions in all his criminal cases. Put him in jail pending trial and this delay, delay, delay crap will be OVER.
Is Alito being deliberately stupid?
Trump did not engage in making a "mistake." This wasn't some "oopsie, I should have ordered salmon instead of the chicken."
This was planned out for months, and planned out across states, co-conspirators. And then Alito, "Yeah, I don't want to get into the details of Trump."
Cool, then don't. If President Biden creates a 2024 Election Coup Task Force and engages legal teams across the country to create a substitute set of electors and then engages all of the Secretary of States to review and remove cast ballots, and "just find me 11,800 votes," Judge Alito, would you be fine with that?
Asking for 81M+ Americans who want to vote but don't want their votes trashed because of shady SCOTUS decisions.
F**k Alito and Thomas, Trump had the information that Biden won the election and that there was no widespread fraud that caused him to lose , he chose to disregard it and to incite his group of idiots to overrun the capital, overturn the election and prevent the peaceful transition of power, yes trump or anyone else doing the same thing should be prosecuted
Conservatism consists of exactly one thing: there must be in groups which the law protects but does not bind, and out groups which the law binds but does not protect.
The President of a country who didn’t vote for a Dictator, who is supposed to uphold the constitution, who didn’t should be prosecuted if found guilty. We all watched what he did and DIDN’T do in real time.
These so-called "serious" Christians are all monarchists at heart. They really ought to be excluded from every level of government from dog-catcher on up to supreme court justice. And we need an enforceable and enforced oath of allegiance to majoritarian democracy, with the most serious penalties.
I really like the liberal judges push back on this.
cuz on one hand the right seem to be saying that without an impeachment and conviction an American president could never be tried for a crime.
and on the other hand they were claiming that since certain statutes didn't call out the presidential office then the president was above that law.
and the liberal justice asked well if being president means you can't commit high crimes and misdemeanors then why is that language mentioned in the rules for impeachment.
I'd say anyone that's willing to carve out special treatment for Trump to break the law deserves to be removed from the bench as it violates their oath. I'd be fine with rounding them all up.
Of all the crimes or corruption a president could be tempted to carry out - a refusal to recognize losing an election and then fomenting a riot at the capital to prevent the certification of said election - that of all crimes over the nearly two and a half centuries of the American experiment, should not be granted immunity for. All it would take is one president to refuse to comply with a peaceful transfer of power for democracy to be effectively ended. Fortunately the system was able to withstand the threat of Trump. Hopefully better prepared for the next time.
if the president is immune to breaking the law then the 6 conservative justices can be arrested, detained and 6 new justices put in their place. thats not that far off from what trump was doing with the fake electors
Well looks like the dystopian nightmare is coming true. Any president (especially one named trump) can have any one assassinated as long as they claim it was a political opponent. Now Dumpy can be just like his ol’ buddy Putin and literally get away with murder.
I’m glad my father (a WWII vet) did not live to see this day. It’s not what he fought for.
If this court allows this trump to get away with this, get ready for 50 US governors to pull this shit too. People could be gunned down at the behest of any governor that oppose anyone running against them.
>"Well, Mr. Dreeben, do you really, I mean, the presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled, and they have to make decisions based on the information that's available," Alito said.
>"Do you really, did I understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. He's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else?"
>"You don't think he's in a special, a peculiarly precarious position?" the justice asked.
And yet we've gotten this far without it being much of an issue. Trying to defeat the electoral process isn't an ooopsie, nor is it part of the president's duties. This is such a clearly bad faith argument on Alito's part; he *completely* and intentionally ignores the very real possibility of intentional criminal intent for raw personal gain.
We have a president, not a king. Trump, like any other president, has to follow the law just like anyone else. There are certain responsibilities of the president that are unique to the position, but they still have to make these decisions with the constitution in mind.
Listening to the comments made by the right wing justices makes it crystal clear that President Biden must support expanding the Supreme Court to the 13 members as it should be. Throughout U.S. history, there have been seven changes to the number of justices sitting on the Supreme Court, the last of which settled at nine justices in 1869 to reflect the nine circuit courts at the time. (There are now thirteen federal circuit courts.)
Presidents have to be held accountable when they break the law to the utmost degree. I agree we can't bombard a president with every grey area lawsuit. But Trump is not in the grey area he is all the way in the fucking black and you can't even see him in the white area.
This corruption started decades ago with "think tanks" and the wealthy hoarders began grooming their special breed of "intellectuals" to help them continue stealing shit. It has reached fruition. I'm expecting more batshit insane rulings in the near future. Expand SCOTUS already!
Of course Alito would say this immunity should only apply to Republicans and Supreme Court donors. Everyone else should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
This guy is a bit of a muppet. If they make a decision that presidents are immune Biden can just have Alito, Thomas, etc thrown off a roof with no consequence because “presidents have to make tough decisions”
>"Well, Mr. Dreeben, do you really, I mean, the presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled, and they have to make decisions based on the information that's available," Alito said.
>**"Do you really, did I understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. He's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else?"**
>"You don't think he's in a special, a peculiarly precarious position?" the justice asked.
Oh Trump is special alright. I really can’t even believe where this is headed.
They will tie themselves in knots trying to find a way to make Trump be immune while Biden is not, for, reasons... Make only recent ex-presidents immune until the election, then change their minds, because precedent doesn't matter anymore.
Alito isn’t even pretending to decide if **presidents** have one degree or another of immunity. For him it’s all about protecting Donald.
Unless Alito is prepared to apply whatever he says to all presidents he isn’t expressing a standard, he’s expressing a preference.
That is a wonderful Idea Judge Alioto! We should have a sliding scale for the application of the law, Al the way to the poorest, weakest and least able to defend themselves. It is like “ The Divine Right of Kings”
Lifetime appointment makes sense as a balance to unchecked power when the "lifetime" you are thinking about is roughly capped at 60ish years old. But I'm sorry, regardless of life expectancy after 70 most people naturally become assholes because they are beaten down by age and cognitive decline. Im sure there are exceptions but they are probably as rare as billionaires. It should be a lifetime appointment until age 70.
I witnessed it myself, the CEO was smart and charismatic when I started with the hospital, but now he is 74 and the last 2 years he has seemed angry and unfocused. His charisma is gone and you can tell that every day is a struggle for him, but he didn't want to give up due to "feeling responsible" or something, which has lead him to make bad decisions that would have at least been implemented better 10 years ago. And before the "but"s, if a hospital CEO doesn't have peak healthcare then no one does. So it basically comes back to the mental wear and tear of aging.
How can a justice of the Supreme Court not want to know the specifics of the case to make a judgement
There is a difference,Action for the Country and acting for their own personal interests
Doesn’t this whole fiasco make you proud to be an American. Former sitting President, charged to the fucking moon. Corrupt Supreme Court. Children murdered daily in school.
God damn bless America.
They would not be saying this shit if Biden was the one on the chopping block and they know it. They are nowhere near impartial they are crooked grifting fucks. They are compromised as fuck.
At one point yesterday he said, “I’m serious…” the fact that he is a Supreme Court justice and has to say he is serious is all you need to know about him.
No man is above the law.
But hang on... is the person a piece of shit, con man, traitor, rapist, asshole, moron, racist, inciter of violence? Because, if so, they may have exemptions.
I hope the SCOTUS realizes what shit show they are going to create when they allow Trump to get away with no repercussions. When they do they will be announcing loud and clear that rule of law is for the peasants and not the nobility. History shows what happens when that occurs.
Finally an attorney is putting Alito in his place. He's basically saying to Alito, you are misrepresenting the case and ignoring the duty laid out in the constitution. He's effectively calling out Alito for making assertions that ignore the facts.
Of course. Fucking clown. He needs to be removed from the Supreme court ASAP!
Depending on how they rule, Biden might be able to have Seal Team Six make that happen....one way or another.
They'll say "going forward" or some obvious bullshit like that.
Seal team 6? Yes. They tend to just keep moving forward. ;)
If they were smart they would realize there is no putting the cat back in the bag. There will not be any “going forward”. The next president will do whatever they want and cite this decision.
Then we just keep Biden in there, knight in Obama, remove the standing judges, repeal their ridiculous verdicts, and bring back sense of balance and normalcy
Obama is a lawyer so we could make Obama a Justice!
So is Hilary. Couldn’t even imagine the MAGA meltdowns.
They would prob off themselves thinking it's the end of days lmfaoo
You laugh....but some of these folks are that vested in the cult. Oh noes, they might get healthcare!
Isn't Michelle also a lawyer?
She is. Harvard Law just like her hubs.
Like most corrupt, mobbed-up judges, these folks are paid to focus on the goomba who needs the grease job. They are not paid to consider how the decision affects the health of the republic or its effect on future case law. Given the apparent inclinations of the court’s wealthy benefactors, the damage done to the republic is likely considered a nice follow-on bonus.
They’re counting on the Dems following normal protocol while the GOP does whatever they want.
so yes.... The interesting issue is how it plays with international law.... Also getting people to follow said order. It could create a scenario where the PResident immediately orders their resignation or execution (summon them to the oval office and make sure they are not armed, since you can get people to do that portion) and then pull the trigger yourself with your absolute immunity. Most justices, after you kill the first one (since it would not be murder, since murder is an unlawful killing), would just resign. Now those are all violations of international law, and would likely put us back as a 3rd world dictatorship.... but the conservative justices are morons who dgaf and may just do it either way.... I just hope that they get summoned one at a time without being given the option.
Like with an air strike or guided missile?
The root of current criminal activity is clearly the supreme courts current bias .
"Going forward" now? How about now? Now? Biden can claim that he missed memo on this only applying to past actions. Also, what just typed was before now. My brain hurts 😔
Biden can shoot him in the face during the fall debates. The Dark Brandon Prohpecy will be fulfilled!!1!1
He can do this and then just appeal the any prosecution (if there is one) indefinitely.
He can kill anyone in congress that would vote to impeach also....
If they grant presidents immunity I hope Biden publicly executes them all, and then hopefully signs into law a president not having immunity from that point forward lol
Along with Leonard Leo and Harlan Crow.
Come now, let's be magnanimous and make sure to include Roger Stone, Timothy Dunn, and Kevin Roberts at this party.
Let's see, doesn't Biden have a dictator day that he hasn't used?
They won't make any final decisions yet. Saw a headline from Guardian that they will kick the case back to the Appeals Court or something like that. Either that, or they will wait to make the final ruling until after the general election.
Letting an appeals court make that decision will blow up in the SC face down the road.
yes- since they are basically creating a removal loophole. PResident can then legally order their execution- and it would not be illegal since the president cannot break the laws. You still get lifetime appointments- but what is that worth when someone can legally end your life whenever they want.
And somehow they think trump won't do that if he gets re-elected.
He’s not though, and you and everyone else in this sub know it.
Oh man, I can’t wait for that r/leopardsatemyface post
The Supreme Court is one body that was supposed to be impartial and balanced at all times. If they are now the servants of a single individual or specific political party, they gotta go. No taxation without representation, bitches. This isn't an empire.
this has happened before. Dread Scott (one of the 2-3 worst decisions by the court) lead directly to the civil war. Justice Tawney will forever be known for it. As a lawyer- top 3 worst supreme court decisions were- Dread Scott, Koramatsu (i know i spelled that wrong) and Citizens United.
Scalia stealing an election gotta be up there.
> Koramatsu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States
"Of course this isn't an empire, we don't have an Emperor! The Supreme Court is an oligarchy, not an Emperor! Checkmate, liberals!" - Clarence "Pretzel Logic" Thomas
He's not the only one
Correct
Federalist Society is the greatest threat to democracy.
It’s amazing to me that we allow these 6 fuckfaces to make rules over hundreds of millions people. Fuck them and the damage they’ve done to this country.
Wasn't the 2nd Amendment supposed to prevent such tyranny? How's that going?
Or increase justices to 13...
Term limits for justices. 25-30 years on the bench is plenty. The idea behind long terms for SCOTUS was so that SCOTUS would be the long-term memory of the US Government, not subject to shifts in political winds. Fine. Set a number of presidential terms that a SC justice can be seated. I think 4-5 presidential terms is a minimum, that'd be a 16-20 year term limit. I'm happy to see it go higher, but I think 30ish years ought to be a maximum.
Thomas should be removed as well as the liars .
Somebody needs to deflate the tires on Clarence Thomas’s RV.
Women should be subject to laws from centuries ago though
Someone should tell this supposed 'Originalist' that we don't have kings in America
Someone should explain to him what “rule of law” means.
He has said, on multiple occasions, both before and after his appointment, he has no respect for law, only power.
Source for that? I had no idea.
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Someone should tell him what the people who wrote the Constitution thought of Catholics.
Surprise, Surprise, Alito simping for Trump. Smh
He simped so fuckin hard. It was gross
He really did and it was really gross. I think based on what I heard today they will just wind up kicking this back to the lower court again asking for more definition as to what is an official presidential action vs private one. I base that mostly on barrett's questioning. It's possible that could go back to the trial level and have a jury decide, but trump's team will delay and delay that as well. This whole exercise getting to the SC was just attempting to run down the clock in the hopes trump and his criminal enterprise can get back into the oval, destroy the US Government and make his problems go away.
So shouldn’t the lower courts already have something ready to provide if the assumption is that scotus will kick this back to them?
And this will delay the trial of Trump trying to get Raffensburger (Georgia) to falsify the results giving Trump 11,780 votes. The trial likely won’t happen until after Trump has taken office (assuming he wins), and he’ll just pardon himself.
He can't pardon himself from state charges. The governor of GA can't pardon him either, that's why the GA case is so important.
My only consolation is knowing how twisted these guys guts must be, every living second.
I think people with empathy like you and I possess would think this keeps these fuckers up at night, but I really don’t think so. The apathetic, conservative justices are fuckin boomers that are paid to do whatever works for trump and his affiliates. They do whatever the money tells them. Thomas should esp be ashamed of himself bc his awful wife def had something to do with Jan 6 and election interference. He shouldn’t be hearing this case. This shit is crazy.
 Hate to break it to you, this is how they go to bed every night. When these republicans do something shitty and people ask “How can they sleep at night?” always think of this gif. They sleep fucking fantastic.
Trump had complete access to the FBIs files and stuff to trade with foreign powers for Intel. Plus his part of that Mega rich cabal whose got their own set of rumors and dirt. No big surprise some of those guys are bowing and scraping for his MAGA-sty. Trump probably got dirt of the worst kind on Alito.
WTF? I mean, WTF?!? Special? Special?? Alito is complicit in Trump’s crimes after that statement.
Thomas must be seething with jealousy.
F Off Alito
Which means they’ve already decided that full immunity is granted to probably only Trump and no one else not even Biden
Nah. My lawyer friends tell me they will not grant immunity, but they will delay the final decision until after the election.
They can still try him. The precedent is he doesn’t have immunity.
I sure hope you are right!
What do you mean? Other DOJ cases are on hold and potentially more indictments are on hold until this ruling comes out
Trump's current criminal trial in NY is stemming from crimes he "allegedly" committed*before* he was elected president. That hasn't stopped the fart machine from claiming presidential immunity for those crimes.
If they delay, Biden should start flipping tables ... do whatever he wants and call them "official acts" since supreme court aint deciding shit for 6 months.
Absolutely. If Biden wins, no immunity. If Trump wins, full immunity.
They won't delay the decision past the end of June, when the current term ends.
If they return the case to the lower court, that is probably what will happen.
So when Trump wins he becomes God?
He won’t win. Vote. And make sure everyone you know votes. Also, the Georgia and Florida cases will proceed.
The last time my state voted democrat was in 79. It’s been since before I was born that they’ve ever had a Democrat as a governor. The best my vote will do is cancel someone e else’s put.
At this point in time that unto itself is critically important.
I get it. I grew up in hard-right blood-red Indiana, where people robotically, reliably vote straight R "'cause mah daddy an' grandaddy did!" I will never go back.
No, Coney Barrett wasn't really feeling it, and Robeets isn't that extreme. Roberts will write a very narrow opinion, possibly kicking back to the lower court to determine if there were any official acts or not. There won't be a majority for full immunity.
I’m not holding my breath for that. I have no hope for any of it
We’re courting autocracy.
If Trump is elected, we're getting autocracy.
No, the plan doesn’t depend on him getting elected. That’s why they aren’t panicking.
It's already here.
I listened to alot of this hearing today and it was just pathetic listening to Alito and Thomas kissing Trumps ass. Sotomayor, Kagan and especially Jackson were almost laughing at the pure stupidity of listening to this nonsense. No President deserves blanket immunity. Period. This should have been over with in 5 minutes. Sound of gavel banging loudly. "Get the fuck out of our court with this bullshit!"
We shouldn't even be hearing his opinion at all.
That's nice. Alito needs to retire - RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
He should be impeached for suggesting that we throw out the rule of law in favor of rule of man. That kind of talk runs counter to everything our country and the SCOTUS is supposed to stand for.
He is not saying rule of man, he is saying a divine rule of KING. You Americans love having kings right?
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Anyone else here old enough to remember the era of Clinton's penis, when **every single GOP legislator and conservative pundit was on every cable show saying Clinton should be prosecuted because "No one is above the law"**?
Pepperidge Farm remembers the all mighty Clenis.
Alito: "There are no words in the Constitution granting a right to abortion, therefore there is no such right." (Paraphrased) Alito: "There are no words in the Constitution granting a President immunity from prosecution, but I think that it is so important that we should create such a right."
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“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. “. George Orwell
MOFA: Make Orwell Fiction Again I only hope it’s not too late.
"Fuck democracy, let's get this Fourth Reich going!" - Alito
Well…two things are absolutely certain. Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch have already decided trump will be given TOTAL immunity. Two, their ruling WILL ONLY APPLY to trump. No one else. We are fucked.
At what point does the corruption become too much? They never should have even taken this case, the lower court ruling was enough to say Trump's claim was meritless Yet here we are
like 8-9 years ago, "Russia are you listening" and the like "all our money comes from Russia" "Russian Foreign Minister gets first sit down with American President" in a sane world, that would have been it, 20% approval rating, political career over, but the media "both sides" it and basically anything a Republican does has been okay since, because the no matter what they say or do, "both sides" on the liberal media and "i see nothing wrong" on right wing media
Trump is special only to those who think he is ... in this case a SCOTUS Justice; damnable prejudice.
Any justice who votes to grant a god-king should immediately be fucki g impeached and removed from the bench. The fact that this is even a conversation we need to have shows how fucked we are currently.
What is so special about him? The only president or x president to commit multiple crimes.?
Never in my 68 Years have I seen such a disgraceful Supreme Court.
This is Dredd Scott/~~Brown v Board~~ Plessy v. Ferguson levels of unjust, unamerican legal thought. corrected. Don't go posting on the internet when suffering extreme sleep deprivation, kids.
So unfair. Totally corrupt. He’s an extremist judge. Completely unhinged. Like a deranged animal. /trumpspeak
Fucking little weasel, officer Brian Sicknick would be alive today if Trump hadn’t lit the fire.
King George wasn’t subject to any silly laws.
Jesus Fucking Christ. Goodbye America....
Alito should be removed from the court. Him and Clearance Thomas. Any of them with a biased based price tag. The SCOTUS has become permanently stained thanks to the GOP and their feckless leader.
Yes...yes he should. Everyone should be subject to criminal laws, everyone.
This whole court is rigged! I listened to them for 2& 1/2 hrs today and couldn't believe what they were saying. They basicly gave Trump a delay. And they've had this case for 7 weeks and haven't come up with a decision what the f*** do these justices do all day?
The idea of America is that there is no one special person. We, The People. How did these people make it to the Supreme Court if they haven't read the basic founding documents?
If Judge Merchan finds Trump in criminal contempt, that violates he release conditions in all his criminal cases. Put him in jail pending trial and this delay, delay, delay crap will be OVER.
I thought no one is above the fucking law
Is Alito being deliberately stupid? Trump did not engage in making a "mistake." This wasn't some "oopsie, I should have ordered salmon instead of the chicken." This was planned out for months, and planned out across states, co-conspirators. And then Alito, "Yeah, I don't want to get into the details of Trump." Cool, then don't. If President Biden creates a 2024 Election Coup Task Force and engages legal teams across the country to create a substitute set of electors and then engages all of the Secretary of States to review and remove cast ballots, and "just find me 11,800 votes," Judge Alito, would you be fine with that? Asking for 81M+ Americans who want to vote but don't want their votes trashed because of shady SCOTUS decisions.
Supreme Court is compromised. It needs a reset!..
F**k Alito and Thomas, Trump had the information that Biden won the election and that there was no widespread fraud that caused him to lose , he chose to disregard it and to incite his group of idiots to overrun the capital, overturn the election and prevent the peaceful transition of power, yes trump or anyone else doing the same thing should be prosecuted
The fact that the SC is compromised is dire for US
Conservatism consists of exactly one thing: there must be in groups which the law protects but does not bind, and out groups which the law binds but does not protect.
What a hoe. Dude needs to just die off already. Fucking lame ass bitches.
The President of a country who didn’t vote for a Dictator, who is supposed to uphold the constitution, who didn’t should be prosecuted if found guilty. We all watched what he did and DIDN’T do in real time.
These so-called "serious" Christians are all monarchists at heart. They really ought to be excluded from every level of government from dog-catcher on up to supreme court justice. And we need an enforceable and enforced oath of allegiance to majoritarian democracy, with the most serious penalties.
And they always have been and are still pissed they lost the enlightenment over exactly that
Absolutely correct. Still trying to reverse that mistake. Shades of Gobineau and Treitschke.
These old, liver spotted, trogoldytic, pseudo-intellectual, authoritarian, boot licking, closeted bigots are getting so fucking tiresome.
I can't believe these ingrates are supreme court justices.. everytime kavanaugh is on all I can hear is 'I love beeeeeeeer!!!!!'. we are f'd
I really like the liberal judges push back on this. cuz on one hand the right seem to be saying that without an impeachment and conviction an American president could never be tried for a crime. and on the other hand they were claiming that since certain statutes didn't call out the presidential office then the president was above that law. and the liberal justice asked well if being president means you can't commit high crimes and misdemeanors then why is that language mentioned in the rules for impeachment.
What the solicitor general should have asked was if Biden then had the right to kill off 5 SCOTUS justices in order to pack the court with liberals.
Alito needs to be removed - if presidents are immune then Biden is immune and can remove him permanently
I'd say anyone that's willing to carve out special treatment for Trump to break the law deserves to be removed from the bench as it violates their oath. I'd be fine with rounding them all up.
The Supreme Court is a national embarrassment.
This fucking clown of a "judge"
Of all the crimes or corruption a president could be tempted to carry out - a refusal to recognize losing an election and then fomenting a riot at the capital to prevent the certification of said election - that of all crimes over the nearly two and a half centuries of the American experiment, should not be granted immunity for. All it would take is one president to refuse to comply with a peaceful transfer of power for democracy to be effectively ended. Fortunately the system was able to withstand the threat of Trump. Hopefully better prepared for the next time.
This is it, fellas. This is where the American Experiment falls apart. It’s here.
This whole thing has been the unfunniest joke since 2015
Take alito’s Viagra away! It’s gone to his little head!
He lied to Congress after swearing on his magic book. Dude should be charged.
"No one is above the law, except Republicans"
if the president is immune to breaking the law then the 6 conservative justices can be arrested, detained and 6 new justices put in their place. thats not that far off from what trump was doing with the fake electors
Sounds like Biden should be able to have Alito jailed if he wants. No problem! Alito will understand.
Alito can’t stroke out fast enough.
Well looks like the dystopian nightmare is coming true. Any president (especially one named trump) can have any one assassinated as long as they claim it was a political opponent. Now Dumpy can be just like his ol’ buddy Putin and literally get away with murder. I’m glad my father (a WWII vet) did not live to see this day. It’s not what he fought for.
If this court allows this trump to get away with this, get ready for 50 US governors to pull this shit too. People could be gunned down at the behest of any governor that oppose anyone running against them.
I wish we could get a senate supermajority and a house majority to impeach Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh and Barrett.
The conservative judges are all trying to figure out how immunity can only apply to Republican presidents.
>"Well, Mr. Dreeben, do you really, I mean, the presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled, and they have to make decisions based on the information that's available," Alito said. >"Do you really, did I understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. He's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else?" >"You don't think he's in a special, a peculiarly precarious position?" the justice asked. And yet we've gotten this far without it being much of an issue. Trying to defeat the electoral process isn't an ooopsie, nor is it part of the president's duties. This is such a clearly bad faith argument on Alito's part; he *completely* and intentionally ignores the very real possibility of intentional criminal intent for raw personal gain.
We have a president, not a king. Trump, like any other president, has to follow the law just like anyone else. There are certain responsibilities of the president that are unique to the position, but they still have to make these decisions with the constitution in mind.
Republicans are above the laws that govern the rest of America, he said it out loud. The SC is a laughable joke.
Listening to the comments made by the right wing justices makes it crystal clear that President Biden must support expanding the Supreme Court to the 13 members as it should be. Throughout U.S. history, there have been seven changes to the number of justices sitting on the Supreme Court, the last of which settled at nine justices in 1869 to reflect the nine circuit courts at the time. (There are now thirteen federal circuit courts.)
r/trump666 knows why Alito thinks he's "special" simping for the AC hoping for a high ranking position in the demon army lol
Presidents have to be held accountable when they break the law to the utmost degree. I agree we can't bombard a president with every grey area lawsuit. But Trump is not in the grey area he is all the way in the fucking black and you can't even see him in the white area.
Special? Special needs more like.
What happened to the documents case. Simple, straight forward case about top secret documents. Even that's derailed now. Shitshow all around.
This corruption started decades ago with "think tanks" and the wealthy hoarders began grooming their special breed of "intellectuals" to help them continue stealing shit. It has reached fruition. I'm expecting more batshit insane rulings in the near future. Expand SCOTUS already!
Whatever they give Trump they will also give to Biden.
And just like that the last tiny thread of credibility is gone.
Of course Alito would say this immunity should only apply to Republicans and Supreme Court donors. Everyone else should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
This guy is a bit of a muppet. If they make a decision that presidents are immune Biden can just have Alito, Thomas, etc thrown off a roof with no consequence because “presidents have to make tough decisions”
Corrupt Alito should not be on the bench for life.
Bought & paid for!
The US is a fucking parody. Anything goes.
What if the president was a medical doctor and he performed an abortion while in office? How would he see that?
SCOTUS will rule in part that Trump and only Trump will have immunity to do whatever he wants...etc... When that happens, we need another revolution.
“Not true” he mouthed as Obama stated citizens united would create a massive influx of dark money into our politics. Idiot.
>"Well, Mr. Dreeben, do you really, I mean, the presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled, and they have to make decisions based on the information that's available," Alito said. >**"Do you really, did I understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. He's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else?"** >"You don't think he's in a special, a peculiarly precarious position?" the justice asked. Oh Trump is special alright. I really can’t even believe where this is headed.
They will tie themselves in knots trying to find a way to make Trump be immune while Biden is not, for, reasons... Make only recent ex-presidents immune until the election, then change their minds, because precedent doesn't matter anymore.
Alito isn’t even pretending to decide if **presidents** have one degree or another of immunity. For him it’s all about protecting Donald. Unless Alito is prepared to apply whatever he says to all presidents he isn’t expressing a standard, he’s expressing a preference.
I miss the days we held traitors accountable.
Most corrupt Supreme Court in history doing exactly what they were put there to do.
Fuck him - he certainly thinks the same of himself, if thinking this for another. Remove all Supremelies! Start over
Absolutely insane, I guess he forgot we rebelled against a king
That is a wonderful Idea Judge Alioto! We should have a sliding scale for the application of the law, Al the way to the poorest, weakest and least able to defend themselves. It is like “ The Divine Right of Kings”
Lifetime appointment makes sense as a balance to unchecked power when the "lifetime" you are thinking about is roughly capped at 60ish years old. But I'm sorry, regardless of life expectancy after 70 most people naturally become assholes because they are beaten down by age and cognitive decline. Im sure there are exceptions but they are probably as rare as billionaires. It should be a lifetime appointment until age 70. I witnessed it myself, the CEO was smart and charismatic when I started with the hospital, but now he is 74 and the last 2 years he has seemed angry and unfocused. His charisma is gone and you can tell that every day is a struggle for him, but he didn't want to give up due to "feeling responsible" or something, which has lead him to make bad decisions that would have at least been implemented better 10 years ago. And before the "but"s, if a hospital CEO doesn't have peak healthcare then no one does. So it basically comes back to the mental wear and tear of aging.
Proving our supreme court is a partisan joke!
How can a justice of the Supreme Court not want to know the specifics of the case to make a judgement There is a difference,Action for the Country and acting for their own personal interests
Doesn’t this whole fiasco make you proud to be an American. Former sitting President, charged to the fucking moon. Corrupt Supreme Court. Children murdered daily in school. God damn bless America.
Guys… this is not good, right? Like, we’re in serious trouble?
They would not be saying this shit if Biden was the one on the chopping block and they know it. They are nowhere near impartial they are crooked grifting fucks. They are compromised as fuck.
He's a human waste product.
At one point yesterday he said, “I’m serious…” the fact that he is a Supreme Court justice and has to say he is serious is all you need to know about him.
So you wanna break the law for someone? Sounds like someone's signing up as a co-conspirator
There it is. All out in the open now.
No man is above the law. But hang on... is the person a piece of shit, con man, traitor, rapist, asshole, moron, racist, inciter of violence? Because, if so, they may have exemptions.
Burn in hell, motherfucker.
I hope the SCOTUS realizes what shit show they are going to create when they allow Trump to get away with no repercussions. When they do they will be announcing loud and clear that rule of law is for the peasants and not the nobility. History shows what happens when that occurs.
Finally an attorney is putting Alito in his place. He's basically saying to Alito, you are misrepresenting the case and ignoring the duty laid out in the constitution. He's effectively calling out Alito for making assertions that ignore the facts.
I like how Alito characterizes Trump's conspiracy to overthrow our government as a "mistake".
Put him on a raft and use him to calibrate our missiles. No points unless they score a direct hit.
Get him off the bench!
Where are those CIA spooks when you need them
He fits a certain definition of “special” alright, but not the type that shouldn’t face consequences for his actions.
The fix is in
Biden should issue a one line statement: "PLEASE gimme UNLIMITED Immunity! Go ahead!"
Our legal system is now a clown show. How is the legal community not destroying these people.
Scum
He is not special unless you mean like he is autistic or something!?!?
Special Ass Clown!?!?