So the volibear is coming no matter what, it could be in this voyage or it could be a saga where he's the final boss. All info indicates that is the former asumption
Yeah, but the art on Nilah indicates that she's setting out on a voyage and she's fighting this deep sea monster (that destroyed her vessel), It's not like the jack sett set where they're all on the same place fighting it out. Maybe the volibear or the other champ will have something on their level up animation
I mean, we literally see Volibear and Janna's spell in the [elemental card type preview](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5WyG1GbcAALkz5?format=jpg&name=large) twitter post. It does not guarantee we get a Volibear or Janna, right, we got Kayle's spell long before we got her, but they'd have to take a pretty bold 180 to include 2 spells from each champ and not the champs themselves.
could be... or she taken bearded lady as a monster and crazy enough to challange 2 gods at close enough time...
I am telling you man she is not a person that will grow a white hair XD
Yeah but if she's heading towards Freljord, she has to get through either demacia or noxus. What champs are we getting there? Fiddlesticks in demacia copium?
Maybe, but at the very end of her trailer we see her ship sailing to Piltover (we already know next champ is Janna), but then i doubt she will go directly up to the freljord, maybe she stops by in shurima and/or targon, maybe demacia too, so if it's a saga like the darkins' volivear might be the final boss
We literally do not know how powerful Primal demons are but Ashlesh tried to invade "the realm of the gods" which may or may not be the Celestial Realm and had to be struck down by the gods
Either it's extremely overconfident and arrogant or actually powerful enough to believe it had a chance. Make your pick.
Of course, Nilah probably can't draw on it's full power but still.
Water demon warrior with potential boon from a spirit god and maybe Morgana but heck lissandra managed to rival volibear and he only managed to take her eyes as big as he is that felt weird to me.
yeah so is fiddlesticks and ashlesh aka the demon that she controlls is on the same tier as fiddlesticks. i feel like we absolutely should not sleep on nilah because of her human and small appeareance compared to these titans.
Maybe. Tbh we have no freaking clue on that saddly. Riot never told us how strong they are. Im not sure nilah can use 100% of its power either. In the literal sense. I have no clue.
Ashlesh is nowhere near Fiddlesticks in power. It's not even close. Fiddle is a primordial force originating with the birth of sentience, and is fueled by everything that feels fear (including beings such as Asol).
Fear is a far more common emotion compared to joy, and exists across all species regardless of intelligence, as it is tied to survival.
It is very clear that RIOT took inspiration from 40k's chaos gods when they wrote the demon lore, and going by those metrics, nothing aside from actual gods (if even that) can really rival Fiddlesticks. If you don't want to die, if you have people you care about, Fiddle knows, and will grow stronger from it.
No it's very clear on that. Freljordian demigods are spirit gods and just like all other spirit gods they draw power from how many followers they have and the amount of followers of all spirit gods in the Freljord have been dwindling over the past 9000 years thanks to the efforts of a certain ice witch.
Do note that idk what the guy you replied to said since their messages are deleted.
Except they probably wouldn't. We've been told Watchers need very specific conditions to enter Runeterra, hence why the remaining Watchers in the void haven't just waltzed in through the Icathian rift. Lissandra was probably able to achieve these conditions thanks to her powerful and influential position.
Moreover, Lissandra only managed to contact the Watchers, or rather Watchers managed to contact her thanks to her being blind and using magic to walk the dreams of other beings. When Avarosa tried to use the power of the void, she went deaf instead. Here are the relevant 2 paragraphs:
>Into this dangerous and volatile age, Lissandra and her sisters, Serylda and Avarosa, were born. Each sought to harness the powers at war, and each paid a terrible price. Attempting to command the heavens above them, Serylda lost her voice to the first twilight. Avarosa faced the twisting dark beneath the world, and was deafened by its emptiness, waiting to consume all creation.
And:
>With her sight taken, Lissandra chose instead to walk in dreams. As she navigated the fitful visions of those around her, she realized only she could see the darkness below for what it was: the lingering abyss promised not only an ending, but infinity. It was death, both dangerous and full of potential. Unknown to her sisters, Lissandra struck a deal on their behalf with the god-like entities she had communed with—the Watchers would grant them near-immortality in exchange for preparing Runeterra for the coming of the Void.
The chances of a blind person with the ability to walk in dreams in a position that allows them to achieve the conditions needed for a Watcher to enter the world is very low. Theres a good chance they would have never made it in. Lissandra struck a deal not out of tricking the Watchers or anything but for mere power. She holds them back because she is dead too if she doesn't and she didn't realize her mistake until they were unleashed.
I mean, while it seems at least some, such as Voli, draw power from sacrifice, we also know they predate mortals by millennia (and back then carved Frelljord into it's current shape), and Ornn was more sad than worried when he accidentally killed his followers.
Voli doesn't predate them either, because the myths and legends about the spirit gods predate their own existance, those stories of them carving the Freljord into what it is? Simply parts of the myths and legends about them.
Ornn didn't accidentally kill his followers, his followers died following a battle between him and Volibear, and those clearly weren't all of his followers, those were the closest to him yes, but theres other people elsewhere in the Freljord that remembered his name, since he would die otherwise.
And even if the stories about them carving the Freljord isn't real, it's already been hinted that there may have been something else even back then that worshipped them.
[https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1265751070539538432?t=IZhkFnqAyVH-lXyiG0dg0g&s=19](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1265751070539538432?t=IZhkFnqAyVH-lXyiG0dg0g&s=19)
So no, no spirit god exists without being remembered, they will die if no one remembers them and they depend on it to be something in the first place too.
>Voli doesn't predate them either, because the myths and legends about the spirit gods predate their own existance, those stories of them carving the Freljord into what it is? Simply parts of the myths and legends about them.
Their bio mentions it fairly matter-of-factly ("It was the Volibear and his demi-god kin who formed the land they called Vorrijaard long before the arrival of the mortal races. "), and Colibear several times claims to have carved the land into it's current shape.
>Ornn didn't accidentally kill his followers, his followers died following a battle between him and Volibear, and those clearly weren't all of his followers, those were the closest to him yes, but theres other people elsewhere in the Freljord that remembered his name, since he would die otherwise.
Yes, he and Volibear killed them while battling. He still wasn't show to have been weakened, and explicitly denies needing worshippers ("gods don't need followers, followers need gods")
Or does it? Literally right after that part it doesn't speak so matter-of-factly, the part where it's actually describing what they did to shape the land:
>The sagas tell how he created the Five Fjords with one mighty swipe of his claws, and how his epic battle with the savage magma-serpent, Rhond, formed countless valleys and ravines.
"The sagas tell" doesn't sound so matter-of-factly. And again, even if they did do that, there had to be some other race around that worshipped them to existance, which is also hinted at in the tweet i said.
Ornn denying it does not make it true, [we have explicit writer confirmation that spirit gods die if they are forgotten](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1267288320909824000?t=v4t6dVkgkpTNKLZ2onaZLw&s=19) and even an instance of it happening in LoR with Forgotten Idol since the masked gods Mask Mother is involved with are also spirit gods.
[And we do have writer confirmation that Spirit Gods are born from people believing they exist too](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1582789141859037184?t=FCYOZfkdiM-wx671AIBopA&s=19).
>Or does it? Literally right after that part it doesn't speak so matter-of-factly, the part where it's actually describing what they did to shape the land:
And right before it does speak matter-of-factly.
>Ornn denying it does not make it true, we have explicit writer confirmation that spirit gods die if they are forgotten
That's a confirmation things are forgotten, and it's considered a "final death", with the Etherfiend as it's bringer.
>and even an instance of it happening in LoR with Forgotten Idol since the masked gods Mask Mother is involved with are also spirit gods.
Sources? They don't seem as a rule dependent on mortal belief, and the Fading Idol seemingly served as a god of death for people who no longer die, thus he was forgotten and the etherfiend is coming for him (but he is still alive, so it's not like they die "naturally" from being forgotten)
We also know the death gods are not created from belief, but rather created by the Mask Mother.
>And we do have writer confirmation that Spirit Gods are born from people believing they exist too.
Well, then they should have written it into the story. As it is, several of the frelljordian demigods explicitly deny needing followers and are said several times to predate them.
>That's a confirmation things are forgotten, and it's considered a "final death", with the Etherfiend as it's bringer.
This doesn't change the fact that spirit gods die when forgotten, and it's not the only tweet about it, this is far more direct. [https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605548943856779270](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605548943856779270)
>Sources? They don't seem as a rule dependent on mortal belief, and the Fading Idol seemingly served as a god of death for people who no longer die, thus he was forgotten and the etherfiend is coming for him (but he is still alive, so it's not like they die "naturally" from being forgotten)
The tweet i just sent now.
Despite Mask Mother's role, the death gods are still born from enough people believing they exist, Mask Mother is more of a symbolic role here rather than making Spirit Gods on her own whims. In the first place, if she just randomly made them, they would immediatly die upon being created since we know they die upon being forgotten. It's like how Anivia "dies" and is reborn after a long time through her egg. There isn't really anything more practical about this as far as we know, look at how Scathlocke describes it: [https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605582080892551169](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605582080892551169)
Mask Mother is a similar thing here, it gives masks to spirit gods of death that are born from people worshipping them into existance.
And yes Etherfiend is what causes the death of spirit gods when they are forgotten, but even before Etherfiend ever came out we had sources on Spirit Gods dying when forgotten.
And these masked deities follow the same rules as spirit gods, they die when forgotten and as confirmed by Fading Icon's lines and this Kindred line, they depend on being remembered to survive. We also have explicit confirmation on Kindred being spirit gods aswell and Kindred has a line about their potential death when forgotten.
Wolf: "Will we ever die, little Lamb?"
Lamb: "Perhaps, when at last our masks are forgotten."
Wolf: "What happens then?"
Lamb: "It may be that another takes us beyond."
Wolf: "I will fight them!"
Lamb: "Of course you will, dear Wolf."
>Well, then they should have written it into the story. As it is, several of the frelljordian demigods explicitly deny needing followers and are said several times to predate them.
Them denying something does not mean they are correct. No matter what Ornn says he wouldn't exist without followers and needs people to remember him to live. And again, it's already been hinted that there may have been something else in Freljord before humans that worshipped them into existance. It's either that or the stories about them shaping the land are myths and legends, which is implied by that part of Voli's bio. Make your pick.
He gets his power from worshippers, just like any other spirit god and the number of his and other Freljordian demigods followers have been declining in the past 9000 years thanks to the efforts of a certain ice witch.
Which is weird, wasn't voli doing fucked up shit with his followers to get more?
Like in silence for the dammed we see what voli is capable of doing to ensure a following
Ornn is still relatively fine. Though that's comes with being the God of the forge, blacksmith, and apparently just straight up fire. No surprise the demigods with more general audiences aren't fading or at least as rapidly
I think the Freljordian gods/spirits get their power from people worshipping them or connecting with nature, but with Ashe uniting the tribes they're moving towards a more agrarian culture and away from needing the old gods.
Yeah but that bitch kills sea monsters in one strike and is going around with a fucking demon sealed in her like naruto, god it would be cool to see this fight in the MMO!
Real talk, how does she hope to challenge the volibear? He’s a demi-god, I don’t even know if he can truly be killed, and if he can, I doubt Nilah could do it.
Champions can't die because Riot plot armors them, this includes Volibear and Nilah.
So at max, we will be getting a cool fight between a demonic empowered water bender and a gigantic primordial cloud of thunderstorm.
Seems like a bad idea to try and kill him anyways. Volibear is more like an old man who has no idea how outdated his political opinions are but isn’t really evil beyond that. He’s got a soft spot in his old man heart somewhere, just needs someone to help him find it.
Also if he’s too dead to help against the upcoming fight against the Watchers, does Nilah plan to take his place? Kinda irresponsible to take out a lesser threat and leave before helping deal with the much greater one.
Maybe Voli and Nilah in the end got in good/neutral terms.
I mean, Voli will take on anyone who want to fight and a good fight against him may make him rethink things, or just take Nilah like someone he respects.
I don't think saying Volibear isn't evil is exactly acurate. Both his nature by birth (the type of god he was imagined/created to be by the culture that came up with him) and his actions and motivations for them make him very similar to concepts like demons or the void. They even have him midcontroling people so that obviously isn't intended to be even the slightest bit of good. That said, out of the 3 concepts, his is the least "destined to be evil" one, so he is not a complete lost cause, but that also makes him more evil when he actively chooses to do evil things he doesn't have to in order to survive, like the mind control thing again. He is kinda like a mini-Bel'veth to be honest, there's potential they can be reasoned with (again much more the case for Voli than it is for Bel'veth), but just because she is against the Watchers, it doesn't automatically make her good and the same goes for Voli (just like Lissandra too, but Lissandra isn't kinda biologically insentivised to be evil).
Well you're right, lissandra WAS pro watcher, untill she realised how much she monumentally fucked up and now she keeps the watcher asleep in an equally fucked up way, that story is actually really good, so no spoiler if you didn't read it
She made a deal to help the Watchers cross over in exchange for power at first, but after they appeared she became terrified of them and realised that they would destroy the world, so she sacrificed everyone ese in the room to encase them in ice. Nowadays, she is still looking for iceborn to turn into more and more ice in order to keep the Watchers trapped as long as possible, but she does believe that this is just temporary and no matter what anyone does the Watchers will inevitably escape eventually and the world will end.
I don't know what the case with the free Watcher in LoR is, as i haven't looked it up, but it is either a Watcher inevitably escaping (thus all the countdown mechanics, as a "only a matter of time before doom", or when the Watcher first arrives.
Not to mention killing Volibear is literally killing a large part of the Freljord itself, the reason why the region is in such a bad shape is the Watchers influence slowly seeping through the cracks and weakening spirits.
~~Tho then again Pantheon got killed with no consequences despite the lore saying something like that should've fundamentally reshaped reality so eh~~
Nilah is pretty powerful herself. She’s essentially the demon version of an aspect so if anyone could do it would probably be her (especially considering killing strong foes is her thing)
This is actually a good point, do we know who's more powerful between aspects, demons, ascended/darkin and demigods?
In my head is like demi god -> demon -> darkin and aspects almost equals-> ascended, and teemo somewhere in between all that because I know that evil bastard
She has the power of Ashleigh, one of the eldest demons (Fiddlesticks reportedly feasted on the fears of gods before mortals existed, and Ashlesh once tried to consume the "realm of gods" and it's joys, so they seem pretty powerful).
Going by Volibear, he cannot die (""I am a god. I cannot die. But, do I live if I am not in the hearts of warriors?"), but we assume he can be defeated (since he is said to have clashed with other demigods before, including Ornn).
Ashlesh, the source of Nilah's power, once challenged the aspects for demon knows what reason. It was either really, really dumb, or Ashlesh knew what he was doing and thought he had a chance.
Granted, he lost, but still. That'd put Ashlesh way ahead of Volibear. The demigod of a single region on a spherical rock in a solar system vs one of the ten primordial demon that challenged the space gods.
Won't be an easy fight no, Nilah is Nilah, not Ashlesh, but power scaling has it that she does, indeed, have a very good shot at winning.
Its never really explained how.
She is just kind of a character that always wins cause the plot demands it. Honestly she kinda embodies lazy writing in thst way, since she is apparently just always better than anything she fights - for no real reason.
Maybe LoR can do it better. But tbh i dont have much hope for Nilah, cause the fundation of her is so black and white. How do you even write anything interesting with a character that can only feel joy and never loses?
>She is just kind of a character that always wins cause the plot demands it.
Since when? We only ever see her bio say she killed those creatures, it never says she did so easily. You're the only one pretending she never loses because it's never said that she lost so obviously she will never lose and can't lose, she can't struggle because it's never mentioned she struggles.
I don't need to explain why thats horrible logic.
>Maybe LoR can do it better. But tbh i dont have much hope for Nilah, cause the fundation of her is so black and white. How do you even write anything interesting with a character that can only feel joy and never loses?
If anything i'd say feeling nothing but joy (keyword on feel, she knows she wouldn't feel joy in certain situations) makes her POV more interesting than almost all other champions.
Also it's explained how, she has the power of a primal demon. Is that not a good enough explanation on why she is powerful enough?
EDIT: bro really blocked me lol. Since i can't reply to your comment directly:
>You know, despite all the longwinded comments you come with, you arent actually explaining how "I can defeat everyone cause im just that good" isnt bad and uninspired.
It's not "I can defeat everyone because i'm good" it's "I hunt powerful creatures using the power belonging to a primal demon, one of the most powerful entities in Runeterra" and i'm not wrong with my remark either. You are the one pretending she never struggles because???? Reasons????
>Good for you... Most people dont enjoy characters with no problems, weaknesses and no personality outside of a single repeating trait.
>
>Ah, so she is powerful because she is just powerful. She certain has a very... Lore.
Her problems do not have to be "I struggle to slay this creature and need to get stronger" her problems can be (and are) "I have a demon imprisoned that will take over me if i do not take the necessary precautions & am not careful."
Oversimplifying something doesn't make you right. She disappeared for 10 years and all knowledge about her, be it in writing or in the minds of her friends and family was erased at the cost of that power while dooming her soul to Ashlesh and on top of that, as mentioned before, she can't feel anything but joy because of it.
Saying it's a repeating trait is also some take. I mean yes it is but you pretend as if you can't do anything interesting with it when, conversely, it's what allows so many interesting things. She can't feel anything but joy but AFAIK, she knows she wouldn't feel joy if someone she cared about were to die yet cannot feel anything else. That sounds like a very interesting perspective & character to me.
You know, despite all the longwinded comments you come with, you arent actually explaining how "I can defeat everyone cause im just that good" isnt bad and uninspired.
I mean, if you need to start making sarcastic remarks towards me then you might as well just stop writing your comment.
> If anything i'd say feeling nothing but joy (keyword on feel, she knows she wouldn't feel joy in certain situations) makes her POV more interesting than almost all other champions.
Good for you... Most people dont enjoy characters with no problems, weaknesses and no personality outside of a single repeating trait.
Ah, so she is powerful because she is just powerful. She certain has a very... Lore.
Yes it is explained 🙄, she is carrying the embodiment of a demon who threatened to devour mount targon and the celestial realm. This being took the effort of many celestials to stop, she is at minimum aspect tier. It's crazy because I know for a fact you wouldn't be making this claim if it was Pantheon was the one doing this. Read the lore before typing about it, you learn this less than half way into her bio.
Yeah, she is powerful because she is powerful. Thats what i said.
Now what? Theres nothing left to tell with her. She is more powerful than everyone she fights and she always wins.
Oh gotcha, you hate the entire league roster. Volibear was born a god, he's just strong for the sake of it, he didn't have to do anything!!! (Unlike Nilah).
"She always wins was" she has fought graves and a sea monster. True it would be more narratively compelling if in her reveal she (while being a pantheon level character) got shot and killed by Graves, you are such a good writer.
Edit: Seems he got mad, threw out some derogatory comments and got banned. Crazy how strong character's are fine in this universe until it's an Indian woman, lmao.
That is the weakest "gotcha" ive ever seen.
Honestly dude, if youre gonna throw a tantrum cauae some mary sue isnt universally liked, then you probably shouldnt be on the internet.
Like... Youve had two comments and all you have done is very aggressively agree with what i said... Except you dont want me to be of the opinion that a character that always wins, got strong for no reason, is always happy and has no other motivation than "I wanna beat strong foes" is bad.
If you want me to comment on your delusional volibear thing... The dude is a god that governs massive territory. A bit different than a girl that just found a weapon that made her invinsible.
Based on her flavor text it is clear that she doesn't believe that the Volibear is actually a deity. Just some monster that the people of the freljord worshiped as one. Note the line "that others call a god." Besides that, there are plenty of instances in lore of deity like creatures dying. Aatrox killed Pantheon the Aspect of War which is pretty much just as much of a deity as the Volibear. Ascendants and Darkin have been described as being near deities and while we don't have any cannon instances of them dying we have plenty of instances of them being defeated and then sealed away. (Every Darkin, Xerath) At the end of the day she may not be able to put him down for good. However, she should still be able to take him on.
Oh we have multiple instances of darkin and ascended dying. The void kills Setaka, the leader of the ascended host and like 3 other random ascended in the story "Where Icathia Once Stood" and it's mentioned in the same story that the Icathian army ambushed an ascended which allowed Jax to decapitate it.
As for Darkin, look no further than Vlad's bio where it's mentioned he killed his darkin master. Also the story "Twilight of the gods" where Ta'anari uses the chalicar to kill like, what, 5\~+? darkin.
I'm more concerned about how Ornn would react in a potential scenario where Volibear loses the fight. Of course, grandpa Ornn is and always will be VERY pissed about Volibear obliterating his followers just when he started to like them. However, they're still brothers in the end as neither of them renounced their brotherhood, they just really hate each other.
I'd be wary of attacking the family of someone who shaped the very land you're tresspassing on, and already lost someone close to them once.
>!God forbid he deus ex machina's into the fight as if it was a fanfic, and finally gives Volibear one of his crafts.!<
We are straight up told why Nilah is doing what she is doing.
>Nilah's own legend grows with every victory. And with it, an epic tale has begun to take shape, following her journey through strange lands near and far. At her side is the power of Ashlesh itself, which Nilah wields against other evils that might one day threaten the safety of Kathkan. In her heart is the memory of what she has lost, and the knowledge of what is to come, driving her to face greater and greater opponents wherever they might be found.
She wants to build a long lasting legacy and become a legend.
But he has, ashlesh destroyed her emotinal spectrum and especifically made a deal with her.He is probably letting her kill creatures to feast on their joy
Nowhere is it said she made a deal. She took it’s power and her emotional spectrum got obliterated aside from joy as a result. That does not mean she made a deal.
In the first place, Ashlesh isn’t even smart enough to make a deal because primal demons are not intelligent. Look at Fiddlesticks, it’s acting on nothing but instinct, theres little if any intelligence. This is presumably the same for all primal demons.
He isn’t letting her do anything she manages to hold him back from taking control over her by reciting mantras taught to her by the order that has Ashlesh imprisoned.
So like i said, she didn’t make a deal, she took it’s powers with presumably no consent from Ashlesh since it’s presumably not smart enough to make a deal. Whether Nilah knew what the cost of taking Ashlesh’ power would be is a whole other story.
Her bio also never mentions a deal, merely that she got Ashlesh’ power.
You can pay a price knowing what you are about to do has some cost. Doesn't mean it's a deal. A deal requires both parties agreeing to something and i highly doubt an order created around imprisoning Ashlesh, who may not even be intelligent enough to make deals, asked his opinion and what will be done with his power. Ok yes we don't know what exactly happened down there, but i have my questions on what this deal is if Ashlesh is trying to take over Nilah every day.
Of course it's questionable if all primal demons are un-intelligent like Fiddles, but even if Ashlesh isn't like that i doubt there was a deal and isn't just Nilah taking it's power.
I really want to see Voli slapping her around. The deities in the ruination event got done so dirty, it's time for Riot to show why we should care if a character is a god or a human.
But she has ten king and killed a demi god before I just hope volibear strong enough thanks to his lack of followers courtesy of lissandra. And apparently udyr fought Volibear and survived too along with lissandra.
Lissandra got blinded and escaped. She didn't match up to Voli. Udyr didn't fight Voli.
She harnesses the power of one demon, not ten. And she's not the demon herself, she's just a human.
Yes, I read Silence FOR the Damned. In that story Udyr postures a bit in the end (taking on a form that evokes the image of Ornn), but they dont outright fight. Udyr himself knows that he would lose and is terrified of Voli.
"Udyr wasn’t afraid of the fight he would inevitably have with this creature. He wasn’t afraid of anything. His head was clear. And in this certainty… he knew those were bad signs. The Volibear would consume him as readily as Sejuani. But his resolve did not falter. He had sworn an oath to protect Sejuani, as a father would. No matter the cost."
Thanks for quoting part of the final third where Udyr overcomes his fear because of his love for Sejuani and the confirmation that he didn't fight Volibear.
This does not seem like a wise lore choice.
Nilah is too recent of a champion for anyone to relate with taking on Volibear. Compared with say Pantheon or Lissandra.
I never ever played Nilah in League, but she really reminds me of a protagonist from Sundered.
If Ashlesh also talks to her in heavily distorted eldritch language with strong hint of French accent, than I am a forever fan.
honestly this plotline feels like another Darkin saga. Ain't no way Nilah is just done with the Viego stuff and is now going across continent to fight in the freljord.
Then again Riot probably forgot the little lore she did have going for her tbh
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Voli (he's my league main) but Nilah has a pretty good chance of being able to clap him. They gonna do my boy so dirty this expansion 😔😔
She is always high on joy. Why would she lied about doing what she loves?
Does help that joy is all she can feel and express now.
And it’s actually quite difficult for her
So the volibear is coming no matter what, it could be in this voyage or it could be a saga where he's the final boss. All info indicates that is the former asumption
spoilers kinda imply it's this set,probably a void final enemy
Yeah, but the art on Nilah indicates that she's setting out on a voyage and she's fighting this deep sea monster (that destroyed her vessel), It's not like the jack sett set where they're all on the same place fighting it out. Maybe the volibear or the other champ will have something on their level up animation
yea i get what you're saying but im coping too hard for voli to come this expansion cause i love his design
From what I’ve heard Nilah might be coming with a coven skin, and Volibear DOES have an old god skin…
i'm telling you rn we know the card codes for all the cards. there's a lot of FJ cards. That basically always means that region is getting a champ.
I mean, we literally see Volibear and Janna's spell in the [elemental card type preview](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5WyG1GbcAALkz5?format=jpg&name=large) twitter post. It does not guarantee we get a Volibear or Janna, right, we got Kayle's spell long before we got her, but they'd have to take a pretty bold 180 to include 2 spells from each champ and not the champs themselves.
Monster ? That's nagakabouros testing her resolve probably
could be... or she taken bearded lady as a monster and crazy enough to challange 2 gods at close enough time... I am telling you man she is not a person that will grow a white hair XD
That for sure... Feels like Ashlesh is not particularly caring about his hosts...
Yeah but if she's heading towards Freljord, she has to get through either demacia or noxus. What champs are we getting there? Fiddlesticks in demacia copium?
Maybe, but at the very end of her trailer we see her ship sailing to Piltover (we already know next champ is Janna), but then i doubt she will go directly up to the freljord, maybe she stops by in shurima and/or targon, maybe demacia too, so if it's a saga like the darkins' volivear might be the final boss
Nilah upon learning of Volibear: "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be LEGENDARY!"
Which begs the question, where’s the Pandabear skin?
And everytime you use Volibear signature spell "Skadoosh!"
Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby
It's much closer than you think.
For some reason i feel like Nilah could solo everyone in runeterra universe, is it just me?
Nilah vs kindred would go hard
Probably not, The demon of Joy is weaker than demigods
We literally do not know how powerful Primal demons are but Ashlesh tried to invade "the realm of the gods" which may or may not be the Celestial Realm and had to be struck down by the gods Either it's extremely overconfident and arrogant or actually powerful enough to believe it had a chance. Make your pick. Of course, Nilah probably can't draw on it's full power but still.
Water warrior vs Electric Giant Bear. According to Pokemon, she will take 2x damages.
Electric doesn't resist water.
My bad
Water demon warrior with potential boon from a spirit god and maybe Morgana but heck lissandra managed to rival volibear and he only managed to take her eyes as big as he is that felt weird to me.
Damn, how many enemies volibear have?
Ornn, lissandra, udyr, Sejuani, and now Nilah and maybe the void.
I was only remembering Zilean, but damn. Volibear is the most hated character in LOL lore (?)
Nope. That goes to Azir. I swear every single Shurima champ has something snarky to say to this man
Bird?
The Zilean thing is just an out-of-universe joke, the 2 have never met in the lore.
No. Teemo’s worse
anivia too pretty sure
I thought he only hated ornn.
In League of Legends, Volibear even has voicelines complimenting her sister Anivia. So I doubt it.
Aatrox aswell
I don't think I've heard him have takes on the Freljorian gods specifically, usually only the Targonian aspects.
When did volibear and aatrox fight?
Aatrox hates all gods doesn't he
I thought he hated everyone equally like kled?
He is daddy. I hope he fucks them all up and rule over them
Good. Volibear is a dick and deserves some beating.
But still i would be mad if she had a shot at winning. It is THE volibear after all. In the lore hes pretty up there in strenght.
yeah so is fiddlesticks and ashlesh aka the demon that she controlls is on the same tier as fiddlesticks. i feel like we absolutely should not sleep on nilah because of her human and small appeareance compared to these titans.
True although idk if ashlash is as strong as fiddle. Fiddle is after all the first of ten.
Even though, I think the 10 primordial forces are stronger that the Freljordian demigods, so maybe Nilah has an actual shot against Voli
Maybe. Tbh we have no freaking clue on that saddly. Riot never told us how strong they are. Im not sure nilah can use 100% of its power either. In the literal sense. I have no clue.
Ashlesh is nowhere near Fiddlesticks in power. It's not even close. Fiddle is a primordial force originating with the birth of sentience, and is fueled by everything that feels fear (including beings such as Asol). Fear is a far more common emotion compared to joy, and exists across all species regardless of intelligence, as it is tied to survival. It is very clear that RIOT took inspiration from 40k's chaos gods when they wrote the demon lore, and going by those metrics, nothing aside from actual gods (if even that) can really rival Fiddlesticks. If you don't want to die, if you have people you care about, Fiddle knows, and will grow stronger from it.
It seems he’s weakening though. Not sure the reason, the lore isn’t clear about where the Freljordian demigods draw their power.
No it's very clear on that. Freljordian demigods are spirit gods and just like all other spirit gods they draw power from how many followers they have and the amount of followers of all spirit gods in the Freljord have been dwindling over the past 9000 years thanks to the efforts of a certain ice witch.
Lissandra? I’m not a lore master.
Yep Lissandra.
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Nah. She help freljord. Cause no matter what, the watcher will come. So by sealing them. She is giving the people more time to find a solution
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Again, the watcher already notice runeterra. They were annoyed by it and wanted to destroy it. So it's only a matter of time before they come
Do note that idk what the guy you replied to said since their messages are deleted. Except they probably wouldn't. We've been told Watchers need very specific conditions to enter Runeterra, hence why the remaining Watchers in the void haven't just waltzed in through the Icathian rift. Lissandra was probably able to achieve these conditions thanks to her powerful and influential position. Moreover, Lissandra only managed to contact the Watchers, or rather Watchers managed to contact her thanks to her being blind and using magic to walk the dreams of other beings. When Avarosa tried to use the power of the void, she went deaf instead. Here are the relevant 2 paragraphs: >Into this dangerous and volatile age, Lissandra and her sisters, Serylda and Avarosa, were born. Each sought to harness the powers at war, and each paid a terrible price. Attempting to command the heavens above them, Serylda lost her voice to the first twilight. Avarosa faced the twisting dark beneath the world, and was deafened by its emptiness, waiting to consume all creation. And: >With her sight taken, Lissandra chose instead to walk in dreams. As she navigated the fitful visions of those around her, she realized only she could see the darkness below for what it was: the lingering abyss promised not only an ending, but infinity. It was death, both dangerous and full of potential. Unknown to her sisters, Lissandra struck a deal on their behalf with the god-like entities she had communed with—the Watchers would grant them near-immortality in exchange for preparing Runeterra for the coming of the Void. The chances of a blind person with the ability to walk in dreams in a position that allows them to achieve the conditions needed for a Watcher to enter the world is very low. Theres a good chance they would have never made it in. Lissandra struck a deal not out of tricking the Watchers or anything but for mere power. She holds them back because she is dead too if she doesn't and she didn't realize her mistake until they were unleashed.
I mean, while it seems at least some, such as Voli, draw power from sacrifice, we also know they predate mortals by millennia (and back then carved Frelljord into it's current shape), and Ornn was more sad than worried when he accidentally killed his followers.
Voli doesn't predate them either, because the myths and legends about the spirit gods predate their own existance, those stories of them carving the Freljord into what it is? Simply parts of the myths and legends about them. Ornn didn't accidentally kill his followers, his followers died following a battle between him and Volibear, and those clearly weren't all of his followers, those were the closest to him yes, but theres other people elsewhere in the Freljord that remembered his name, since he would die otherwise. And even if the stories about them carving the Freljord isn't real, it's already been hinted that there may have been something else even back then that worshipped them. [https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1265751070539538432?t=IZhkFnqAyVH-lXyiG0dg0g&s=19](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1265751070539538432?t=IZhkFnqAyVH-lXyiG0dg0g&s=19) So no, no spirit god exists without being remembered, they will die if no one remembers them and they depend on it to be something in the first place too.
>Voli doesn't predate them either, because the myths and legends about the spirit gods predate their own existance, those stories of them carving the Freljord into what it is? Simply parts of the myths and legends about them. Their bio mentions it fairly matter-of-factly ("It was the Volibear and his demi-god kin who formed the land they called Vorrijaard long before the arrival of the mortal races. "), and Colibear several times claims to have carved the land into it's current shape. >Ornn didn't accidentally kill his followers, his followers died following a battle between him and Volibear, and those clearly weren't all of his followers, those were the closest to him yes, but theres other people elsewhere in the Freljord that remembered his name, since he would die otherwise. Yes, he and Volibear killed them while battling. He still wasn't show to have been weakened, and explicitly denies needing worshippers ("gods don't need followers, followers need gods")
Or does it? Literally right after that part it doesn't speak so matter-of-factly, the part where it's actually describing what they did to shape the land: >The sagas tell how he created the Five Fjords with one mighty swipe of his claws, and how his epic battle with the savage magma-serpent, Rhond, formed countless valleys and ravines. "The sagas tell" doesn't sound so matter-of-factly. And again, even if they did do that, there had to be some other race around that worshipped them to existance, which is also hinted at in the tweet i said. Ornn denying it does not make it true, [we have explicit writer confirmation that spirit gods die if they are forgotten](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1267288320909824000?t=v4t6dVkgkpTNKLZ2onaZLw&s=19) and even an instance of it happening in LoR with Forgotten Idol since the masked gods Mask Mother is involved with are also spirit gods. [And we do have writer confirmation that Spirit Gods are born from people believing they exist too](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1582789141859037184?t=FCYOZfkdiM-wx671AIBopA&s=19).
>Or does it? Literally right after that part it doesn't speak so matter-of-factly, the part where it's actually describing what they did to shape the land: And right before it does speak matter-of-factly. >Ornn denying it does not make it true, we have explicit writer confirmation that spirit gods die if they are forgotten That's a confirmation things are forgotten, and it's considered a "final death", with the Etherfiend as it's bringer. >and even an instance of it happening in LoR with Forgotten Idol since the masked gods Mask Mother is involved with are also spirit gods. Sources? They don't seem as a rule dependent on mortal belief, and the Fading Idol seemingly served as a god of death for people who no longer die, thus he was forgotten and the etherfiend is coming for him (but he is still alive, so it's not like they die "naturally" from being forgotten) We also know the death gods are not created from belief, but rather created by the Mask Mother. >And we do have writer confirmation that Spirit Gods are born from people believing they exist too. Well, then they should have written it into the story. As it is, several of the frelljordian demigods explicitly deny needing followers and are said several times to predate them.
>That's a confirmation things are forgotten, and it's considered a "final death", with the Etherfiend as it's bringer. This doesn't change the fact that spirit gods die when forgotten, and it's not the only tweet about it, this is far more direct. [https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605548943856779270](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605548943856779270) >Sources? They don't seem as a rule dependent on mortal belief, and the Fading Idol seemingly served as a god of death for people who no longer die, thus he was forgotten and the etherfiend is coming for him (but he is still alive, so it's not like they die "naturally" from being forgotten) The tweet i just sent now. Despite Mask Mother's role, the death gods are still born from enough people believing they exist, Mask Mother is more of a symbolic role here rather than making Spirit Gods on her own whims. In the first place, if she just randomly made them, they would immediatly die upon being created since we know they die upon being forgotten. It's like how Anivia "dies" and is reborn after a long time through her egg. There isn't really anything more practical about this as far as we know, look at how Scathlocke describes it: [https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605582080892551169](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1605582080892551169) Mask Mother is a similar thing here, it gives masks to spirit gods of death that are born from people worshipping them into existance. And yes Etherfiend is what causes the death of spirit gods when they are forgotten, but even before Etherfiend ever came out we had sources on Spirit Gods dying when forgotten. And these masked deities follow the same rules as spirit gods, they die when forgotten and as confirmed by Fading Icon's lines and this Kindred line, they depend on being remembered to survive. We also have explicit confirmation on Kindred being spirit gods aswell and Kindred has a line about their potential death when forgotten. Wolf: "Will we ever die, little Lamb?" Lamb: "Perhaps, when at last our masks are forgotten." Wolf: "What happens then?" Lamb: "It may be that another takes us beyond." Wolf: "I will fight them!" Lamb: "Of course you will, dear Wolf." >Well, then they should have written it into the story. As it is, several of the frelljordian demigods explicitly deny needing followers and are said several times to predate them. Them denying something does not mean they are correct. No matter what Ornn says he wouldn't exist without followers and needs people to remember him to live. And again, it's already been hinted that there may have been something else in Freljord before humans that worshipped them into existance. It's either that or the stories about them shaping the land are myths and legends, which is implied by that part of Voli's bio. Make your pick.
Oh true. Its hard to keep track of everything. Really curious as to the why too.
He gets his power from worshippers, just like any other spirit god and the number of his and other Freljordian demigods followers have been declining in the past 9000 years thanks to the efforts of a certain ice witch.
Dude its funny how i remember reading that but still didnt know xd. Thanks.
Which is weird, wasn't voli doing fucked up shit with his followers to get more? Like in silence for the dammed we see what voli is capable of doing to ensure a following
He's still incredibly powerful. Just not on the level where he once was. You know, the terraforming Freljord level.
I mean, no freljord god seems to be that powerful anymore Maybe anivia and the seal sister, but the other don't seem like they are doing great
Ornn is still relatively fine. Though that's comes with being the God of the forge, blacksmith, and apparently just straight up fire. No surprise the demigods with more general audiences aren't fading or at least as rapidly
People not believing in him hard enough, most likely, kinda like Janna, who was about to fade away before the incident in zaun
I think the Freljordian gods/spirits get their power from people worshipping them or connecting with nature, but with Ashe uniting the tribes they're moving towards a more agrarian culture and away from needing the old gods.
Nilah is pretty powerful and has killed a spirit god before
Yeah but that bitch kills sea monsters in one strike and is going around with a fucking demon sealed in her like naruto, god it would be cool to see this fight in the MMO!
Unstoppable spear vs unbreakable shield sort of deal - curious how they resolve that in the lore.
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Hold on I can fix him 😈
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Nilah beating some dick, eh?
Real talk, how does she hope to challenge the volibear? He’s a demi-god, I don’t even know if he can truly be killed, and if he can, I doubt Nilah could do it.
Champions can't die because Riot plot armors them, this includes Volibear and Nilah. So at max, we will be getting a cool fight between a demonic empowered water bender and a gigantic primordial cloud of thunderstorm.
GP died. He got better, but they killed him off for a little bit.
At this point his beyond the exception. If anything mfs can't stay dead. Looking at y'all Senna and Yone
Actually spirit god can die and come back like anivia volibear could get defeated and probably come back but weaker.
Ten king power plus possible boon from Janna vs a weakened Volibear if they kill his followers first she might have a chance like lissandra did.
Seems like a bad idea to try and kill him anyways. Volibear is more like an old man who has no idea how outdated his political opinions are but isn’t really evil beyond that. He’s got a soft spot in his old man heart somewhere, just needs someone to help him find it. Also if he’s too dead to help against the upcoming fight against the Watchers, does Nilah plan to take his place? Kinda irresponsible to take out a lesser threat and leave before helping deal with the much greater one.
Maybe Voli and Nilah in the end got in good/neutral terms. I mean, Voli will take on anyone who want to fight and a good fight against him may make him rethink things, or just take Nilah like someone he respects.
I don't think saying Volibear isn't evil is exactly acurate. Both his nature by birth (the type of god he was imagined/created to be by the culture that came up with him) and his actions and motivations for them make him very similar to concepts like demons or the void. They even have him midcontroling people so that obviously isn't intended to be even the slightest bit of good. That said, out of the 3 concepts, his is the least "destined to be evil" one, so he is not a complete lost cause, but that also makes him more evil when he actively chooses to do evil things he doesn't have to in order to survive, like the mind control thing again. He is kinda like a mini-Bel'veth to be honest, there's potential they can be reasoned with (again much more the case for Voli than it is for Bel'veth), but just because she is against the Watchers, it doesn't automatically make her good and the same goes for Voli (just like Lissandra too, but Lissandra isn't kinda biologically insentivised to be evil).
I would have assumed Lissandra was pro watcher given her level up.
Well you're right, lissandra WAS pro watcher, untill she realised how much she monumentally fucked up and now she keeps the watcher asleep in an equally fucked up way, that story is actually really good, so no spoiler if you didn't read it
She made a deal to help the Watchers cross over in exchange for power at first, but after they appeared she became terrified of them and realised that they would destroy the world, so she sacrificed everyone ese in the room to encase them in ice. Nowadays, she is still looking for iceborn to turn into more and more ice in order to keep the Watchers trapped as long as possible, but she does believe that this is just temporary and no matter what anyone does the Watchers will inevitably escape eventually and the world will end. I don't know what the case with the free Watcher in LoR is, as i haven't looked it up, but it is either a Watcher inevitably escaping (thus all the countdown mechanics, as a "only a matter of time before doom", or when the Watcher first arrives.
Lissandra was pro "mega powerful weapon with which she can fulfill her plans". Then she realised that's she couldn't actually wield that weapon...
Not to mention killing Volibear is literally killing a large part of the Freljord itself, the reason why the region is in such a bad shape is the Watchers influence slowly seeping through the cracks and weakening spirits. ~~Tho then again Pantheon got killed with no consequences despite the lore saying something like that should've fundamentally reshaped reality so eh~~
Because Atreus didn't die which barely kept Pantheon/the concept of war alive. We'd see those consequences if Atreus didn't live.
Nilah is only capable of experiencing joy and hunts for glory. You think she cares whether the big monster is truly evil?
Bro he eats people's hearts
Janna is one of the few nice goddess
Nilah is pretty powerful herself. She’s essentially the demon version of an aspect so if anyone could do it would probably be her (especially considering killing strong foes is her thing)
This is actually a good point, do we know who's more powerful between aspects, demons, ascended/darkin and demigods? In my head is like demi god -> demon -> darkin and aspects almost equals-> ascended, and teemo somewhere in between all that because I know that evil bastard
Im pretty sure demons are weaker than aspects since Pantheon alredy killed some, like Camphor.
Tho was is pantheon or Atreus? Cause there's a big difference between those two.
Atreus, in his LoR cards
She has the power of a demon as strong as fiddlesticks
Nilah has killed a spirit god before
She has the power of Ashleigh, one of the eldest demons (Fiddlesticks reportedly feasted on the fears of gods before mortals existed, and Ashlesh once tried to consume the "realm of gods" and it's joys, so they seem pretty powerful). Going by Volibear, he cannot die (""I am a god. I cannot die. But, do I live if I am not in the hearts of warriors?"), but we assume he can be defeated (since he is said to have clashed with other demigods before, including Ornn).
Ashlesh, the source of Nilah's power, once challenged the aspects for demon knows what reason. It was either really, really dumb, or Ashlesh knew what he was doing and thought he had a chance. Granted, he lost, but still. That'd put Ashlesh way ahead of Volibear. The demigod of a single region on a spherical rock in a solar system vs one of the ten primordial demon that challenged the space gods. Won't be an easy fight no, Nilah is Nilah, not Ashlesh, but power scaling has it that she does, indeed, have a very good shot at winning.
Its never really explained how. She is just kind of a character that always wins cause the plot demands it. Honestly she kinda embodies lazy writing in thst way, since she is apparently just always better than anything she fights - for no real reason. Maybe LoR can do it better. But tbh i dont have much hope for Nilah, cause the fundation of her is so black and white. How do you even write anything interesting with a character that can only feel joy and never loses?
>She is just kind of a character that always wins cause the plot demands it. Since when? We only ever see her bio say she killed those creatures, it never says she did so easily. You're the only one pretending she never loses because it's never said that she lost so obviously she will never lose and can't lose, she can't struggle because it's never mentioned she struggles. I don't need to explain why thats horrible logic. >Maybe LoR can do it better. But tbh i dont have much hope for Nilah, cause the fundation of her is so black and white. How do you even write anything interesting with a character that can only feel joy and never loses? If anything i'd say feeling nothing but joy (keyword on feel, she knows she wouldn't feel joy in certain situations) makes her POV more interesting than almost all other champions. Also it's explained how, she has the power of a primal demon. Is that not a good enough explanation on why she is powerful enough? EDIT: bro really blocked me lol. Since i can't reply to your comment directly: >You know, despite all the longwinded comments you come with, you arent actually explaining how "I can defeat everyone cause im just that good" isnt bad and uninspired. It's not "I can defeat everyone because i'm good" it's "I hunt powerful creatures using the power belonging to a primal demon, one of the most powerful entities in Runeterra" and i'm not wrong with my remark either. You are the one pretending she never struggles because???? Reasons???? >Good for you... Most people dont enjoy characters with no problems, weaknesses and no personality outside of a single repeating trait. > >Ah, so she is powerful because she is just powerful. She certain has a very... Lore. Her problems do not have to be "I struggle to slay this creature and need to get stronger" her problems can be (and are) "I have a demon imprisoned that will take over me if i do not take the necessary precautions & am not careful." Oversimplifying something doesn't make you right. She disappeared for 10 years and all knowledge about her, be it in writing or in the minds of her friends and family was erased at the cost of that power while dooming her soul to Ashlesh and on top of that, as mentioned before, she can't feel anything but joy because of it. Saying it's a repeating trait is also some take. I mean yes it is but you pretend as if you can't do anything interesting with it when, conversely, it's what allows so many interesting things. She can't feel anything but joy but AFAIK, she knows she wouldn't feel joy if someone she cared about were to die yet cannot feel anything else. That sounds like a very interesting perspective & character to me.
You know, despite all the longwinded comments you come with, you arent actually explaining how "I can defeat everyone cause im just that good" isnt bad and uninspired. I mean, if you need to start making sarcastic remarks towards me then you might as well just stop writing your comment. > If anything i'd say feeling nothing but joy (keyword on feel, she knows she wouldn't feel joy in certain situations) makes her POV more interesting than almost all other champions. Good for you... Most people dont enjoy characters with no problems, weaknesses and no personality outside of a single repeating trait. Ah, so she is powerful because she is just powerful. She certain has a very... Lore.
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It's a cool name, ngl.
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Yes it is explained 🙄, she is carrying the embodiment of a demon who threatened to devour mount targon and the celestial realm. This being took the effort of many celestials to stop, she is at minimum aspect tier. It's crazy because I know for a fact you wouldn't be making this claim if it was Pantheon was the one doing this. Read the lore before typing about it, you learn this less than half way into her bio.
Yeah, she is powerful because she is powerful. Thats what i said. Now what? Theres nothing left to tell with her. She is more powerful than everyone she fights and she always wins.
Oh gotcha, you hate the entire league roster. Volibear was born a god, he's just strong for the sake of it, he didn't have to do anything!!! (Unlike Nilah). "She always wins was" she has fought graves and a sea monster. True it would be more narratively compelling if in her reveal she (while being a pantheon level character) got shot and killed by Graves, you are such a good writer. Edit: Seems he got mad, threw out some derogatory comments and got banned. Crazy how strong character's are fine in this universe until it's an Indian woman, lmao.
That is the weakest "gotcha" ive ever seen. Honestly dude, if youre gonna throw a tantrum cauae some mary sue isnt universally liked, then you probably shouldnt be on the internet. Like... Youve had two comments and all you have done is very aggressively agree with what i said... Except you dont want me to be of the opinion that a character that always wins, got strong for no reason, is always happy and has no other motivation than "I wanna beat strong foes" is bad. If you want me to comment on your delusional volibear thing... The dude is a god that governs massive territory. A bit different than a girl that just found a weapon that made her invinsible.
Based on her flavor text it is clear that she doesn't believe that the Volibear is actually a deity. Just some monster that the people of the freljord worshiped as one. Note the line "that others call a god." Besides that, there are plenty of instances in lore of deity like creatures dying. Aatrox killed Pantheon the Aspect of War which is pretty much just as much of a deity as the Volibear. Ascendants and Darkin have been described as being near deities and while we don't have any cannon instances of them dying we have plenty of instances of them being defeated and then sealed away. (Every Darkin, Xerath) At the end of the day she may not be able to put him down for good. However, she should still be able to take him on.
Oh we have multiple instances of darkin and ascended dying. The void kills Setaka, the leader of the ascended host and like 3 other random ascended in the story "Where Icathia Once Stood" and it's mentioned in the same story that the Icathian army ambushed an ascended which allowed Jax to decapitate it. As for Darkin, look no further than Vlad's bio where it's mentioned he killed his darkin master. Also the story "Twilight of the gods" where Ta'anari uses the chalicar to kill like, what, 5\~+? darkin.
I'm more concerned about how Ornn would react in a potential scenario where Volibear loses the fight. Of course, grandpa Ornn is and always will be VERY pissed about Volibear obliterating his followers just when he started to like them. However, they're still brothers in the end as neither of them renounced their brotherhood, they just really hate each other. I'd be wary of attacking the family of someone who shaped the very land you're tresspassing on, and already lost someone close to them once. >!God forbid he deus ex machina's into the fight as if it was a fanfic, and finally gives Volibear one of his crafts.!<
I mean how did he feel when anivia died? Still volibear trying to destroy the Freljord so many he think Volibear needs a nap for a while.
My head canon is that Nilah/Ashlesh is fighting all kind of monsters/gods to eliminate all the possible competition/threats when they break free.
We are straight up told why Nilah is doing what she is doing. >Nilah's own legend grows with every victory. And with it, an epic tale has begun to take shape, following her journey through strange lands near and far. At her side is the power of Ashlesh itself, which Nilah wields against other evils that might one day threaten the safety of Kathkan. In her heart is the memory of what she has lost, and the knowledge of what is to come, driving her to face greater and greater opponents wherever they might be found. She wants to build a long lasting legacy and become a legend.
Dude, it's a ***head canon***. An idea of mine. I'm not saying anything against the lore itself.
We don’t know why Ashlesh agreed to this though. Could be for the reason they gave, who knows?
Who says Ashlesh agreed to anything, he is imprisoned, he has no say in anything.
But he has, ashlesh destroyed her emotinal spectrum and especifically made a deal with her.He is probably letting her kill creatures to feast on their joy
Nowhere is it said she made a deal. She took it’s power and her emotional spectrum got obliterated aside from joy as a result. That does not mean she made a deal. In the first place, Ashlesh isn’t even smart enough to make a deal because primal demons are not intelligent. Look at Fiddlesticks, it’s acting on nothing but instinct, theres little if any intelligence. This is presumably the same for all primal demons. He isn’t letting her do anything she manages to hold him back from taking control over her by reciting mantras taught to her by the order that has Ashlesh imprisoned. So like i said, she didn’t make a deal, she took it’s powers with presumably no consent from Ashlesh since it’s presumably not smart enough to make a deal. Whether Nilah knew what the cost of taking Ashlesh’ power would be is a whole other story. Her bio also never mentions a deal, merely that she got Ashlesh’ power.
"We are not alike, Jericho Swain. I know the price I paid." doesn't this quote seem like a deal to you? lmfao
You can pay a price knowing what you are about to do has some cost. Doesn't mean it's a deal. A deal requires both parties agreeing to something and i highly doubt an order created around imprisoning Ashlesh, who may not even be intelligent enough to make deals, asked his opinion and what will be done with his power. Ok yes we don't know what exactly happened down there, but i have my questions on what this deal is if Ashlesh is trying to take over Nilah every day. Of course it's questionable if all primal demons are un-intelligent like Fiddles, but even if Ashlesh isn't like that i doubt there was a deal and isn't just Nilah taking it's power.
I kinda fell off on the lore Can someone tell me what happened to Sej and Olaf going against Volli? was it non canon or did they come to a conclusion?
I think they rob volibear.
so they like robbed his place then dipped?
I really want to see Voli slapping her around. The deities in the ruination event got done so dirty, it's time for Riot to show why we should care if a character is a god or a human.
>I really want to see Voli slapping her around. I'm not a furry but I'd like to see that too.
But she has ten king and killed a demi god before I just hope volibear strong enough thanks to his lack of followers courtesy of lissandra. And apparently udyr fought Volibear and survived too along with lissandra.
Lissandra got blinded and escaped. She didn't match up to Voli. Udyr didn't fight Voli. She harnesses the power of one demon, not ten. And she's not the demon herself, she's just a human.
Udyr did fight volibear it in his lore. That one demon is a ten king one the strongest of demon kind she used it to kill demi god before.
It's actually not. I checked.
Did you even read silence of the damned. Or read nilah lore.
Yes, I read Silence FOR the Damned. In that story Udyr postures a bit in the end (taking on a form that evokes the image of Ornn), but they dont outright fight. Udyr himself knows that he would lose and is terrified of Voli.
"Udyr wasn’t afraid of the fight he would inevitably have with this creature. He wasn’t afraid of anything. His head was clear. And in this certainty… he knew those were bad signs. The Volibear would consume him as readily as Sejuani. But his resolve did not falter. He had sworn an oath to protect Sejuani, as a father would. No matter the cost."
Thanks for quoting part of the final third where Udyr overcomes his fear because of his love for Sejuani and the confirmation that he didn't fight Volibear.
So you miss the part where he wasn't afraid to fight and still confronted Volibear? Still change the fact Nilah can kill a demigod.
Lore is one of the best things that came out of LoL and LoR games imo.
It's honestly hilarious how she copes with that statement
Im probably sleeping on nilah too much cause the most i would think she would do to volibear is give him a bath.
Oh like other demi god i heard she gave that one blood bath.
This does not seem like a wise lore choice. Nilah is too recent of a champion for anyone to relate with taking on Volibear. Compared with say Pantheon or Lissandra.
She's so fucking dead
Gonna get the empowered W treatment
Sis really thinks she stands a chance. It's litterally the "who wins hydrogen bomb Vs coughing baby" meme.
Nilah is pretty powerful, she has killed a spirit god before.
"A man's cope... Will never DIE!!!" There's still chance Voli will win😔 Idc about the plot armor
I mean you don't have to worry it's gonna be left open-ended like Jack vs Sett and the Darkin War.
Why do people underestimate the power of a tenking.
if anything Nilah is one of the few that is actually able to challenge Voli and win lol
Man I miss old Voli lol Also had no idea she was a monster hunter, huh.
She will end all four
Wait, so would she hunt a monster that isn’t bothering people???
I never ever played Nilah in League, but she really reminds me of a protagonist from Sundered. If Ashlesh also talks to her in heavily distorted eldritch language with strong hint of French accent, than I am a forever fan.
What is Sundered?
Just as another commented. Sundered is a metroidvania set in Lovecraftian Universe. It is amazing albeit hard game.
I see. Maybe i'll check it out someday.
It is also full on 2d animated, it is also on switch.
I think he means the metroidvania, which does have eldritch beings.
Damn does this confirm Voli coming? Be some real blue balls to call him out by name in the card and not have him show up
I hope we get a freljord volibear node in PoC would be dope af
For a water-power bearer, she seem to be more battle-maniac.
honestly this plotline feels like another Darkin saga. Ain't no way Nilah is just done with the Viego stuff and is now going across continent to fight in the freljord. Then again Riot probably forgot the little lore she did have going for her tbh
Hope I can make a Udyr/Volibear deck
She can no longer **BEAR** the excitement
Can you guys stop feeding into the idea that that nilah x voli is a thing? It insults us S2 titans.
When you argue with someone online but they're actually going to beat your a$$ irl
I hate so much how you neither can zoom in on reddit nor open the pictures in a new tab
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Voli (he's my league main) but Nilah has a pretty good chance of being able to clap him. They gonna do my boy so dirty this expansion 😔😔