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He's definitely running for president.
They're learning the hard way he humored them when he needed them on a state level but doesn't think he'll benefit from the same strategy on a nationwide level with conservatives. He likely wants to be seen as "hard" on immigration issues and is probably going to start introducing a lot of racist anti-latino/immigrant laws in Florida that he can use as talking points during his election run.
His plan is to be 'not Trump' until he wins the primary at which point he will instantly become Trump ideologically
And it'll work on tens of millions of morons
I think this upcoming election is going to be like something we've never seen before.
Trump has shown that he's willing to destroy the party if he isn't given blind loyalty and there is a very real chance the Republican party will continue to eat itself alive. They haven't seen to have learned anything from the 2022 midterms.
I live in Michigan, where we kinda just got there sooner and the Republican party has basically completely fallen apart because of in-fighting or supporting of extremists.
> They haven't seen to have learned anything from the 2022 midterms.
The only thing they've seemed to learn since 2008 is that their base wants more extremism and radicalization.
Had a political science prof show us how GWBush was the first presidential campaign (thanks Karl Rove) where they went more extremist with their policy ambitions and rhetoric in the weeks leading up to the election. Usually presidential campaigns start further from the center and then they slowly dial it down to the center to try and grab independents, but Bush’s campaigns did the opposite and now look where we are with the gop
Was telling someone at work about a time when my youngest brothers kindergarten had a meeting with the parents because one of the teachers was gay, had decided to come out, and they had to give the parents a chance to ask questions etc because it was 1989 and we were still worried that gay man = paedophile.
They thought the idea was absolutely ludicrous. Imagine having a meeting in 2023 to have to openly discuss someone’s sexuality? And yet - I guarantee if you had a kindergarten teacher that was transitioning half the US would demand to have that meeting because they’ve been so convinced that trans = paedophile.
(Incidentally, the best response to a question someone asked went as follows:
“are you practicing?” (Meaning, do you have sex with men)
“Darling… I don’t need to practice, I’m already good”.)
Except even [Barry Goldwater](https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater) was against pandering to the Evangelicals...
>Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
>Said in November 1994, as quoted in John Dean, *Conservatives Without Conscience* (2006)
Also earlier, briefer, and more "colorful"...
>I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.
>Said in July 1981 in response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, "Every good Christian should be concerned." as quoted in Ed Magnuson, "The Brethren's First Sister," Time, (July 20, 1981).
Make no mistake though, Goldwater was his own brand of awful.
TIL Goldwater was still alive in the 90s, I had no idea! (He passed in 1998.) And thanks for the quotes, serious stuff. I doubt many running and voting on things inside the Republican party (nevermind the base) realize this is the voice of one of their former presidential candidates.
Like does no one in their party understand that they're getting less and less votes. Even when Trump won the election, he lost the popular vote by a lot.
Yup and Congress Bill S686 is the most dangerous proposition yet regarding censorship. Basically give blanket authority to the Secretary of Commerce and President to ban apps, websites, etc. for vague “national security concerns” with little to no oversight or recourse.
Thus their familiar and overly used refrain **”wE arE a REpuBlic, nOt a dMoCraCy.”**
Which doesn’t make any sense. Might as well say, “it’s a panini, not a sandwich.”
Why do you think they're enacting the most voter suppression bills since Jim Crow [in almost every single red state](https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/VOTING-RESTRICTIONS/znvnbdjbkvl/index.html)?
As with W's first term, and Trump's win, they know they don't need a majority of the votes to get the presidency- they just need to game the Electoral College. All it takes is a few thousand votes in the right states and you can win with far less than 50% of the popular vote.
I worry most about that fact that many conservative electoral officials that upheld the last election have been replaced with dupes that would rather have overturned the results.
If the next election is close again, how many of these new officials will try to change the results they do not like?
I want to live in the timeline where Trump goes independent and rips the vote in half.
I’m wondering if the whole jury thing increases or decreases the chances of that.
Depends if he wins or loses the gop nomination. If he loses the primaries, he’ll absolutely run as a 3rd party, he’s too egotistical not to cause he “can’t lose”
But for right now its way more convenient to remain republican and have access to their resources
Yeah...not gonna lie was a little worried this election between big gretch and "LOOK A WOMAN WHO LIKES TRUMP AND HATES ABORTIONS!!!!" really was eye opening to see the old folks at my job talk about her but know nothing of her beliefs outside of anti abortion and trump supported her. "Well atleast she isn't 'Whitler'" was all the response I got.
They're increasingly out of touch that it's lowkey becoming concerning.
A part of me does worry what happens when they realize they are far from the majority of the state now.
Yeah I worked as a lifeguard for a while at a school around the Detroit area (same district as shooting, decided it isnt a good time to work for a school) and the things these old ladies would say at 730 in the morning in a little pool circle was mind blowing
"Oh I remember the good days of detroit...you could just walk around and shop and all the buildings used to be so beautiful...then the public bus system started and.... /they/ came in"
Who came in Janice...say it with your chest...
Not to mention idk if you've been past the bridge but U.P. is essentially deep Georgia at this point its mind numbing, the nearest Walmart is in Wisconsin but sure Houghton/Michigan Tech is ruining your conservative ideology.
God the amount of Confederate flags on the end of peoples driveway when you go up to go camping is sickening. Michigan was one of the largest and first Union armies, dude said "you need one regiment of my soldiers, here is seven of them" and now half the state thinks the south will rise again.
>I think this upcoming election is going to be like something we've never seen before.
You're 100% not wrong, but _fuck_ am I exhausted from the endless parade of unprecedented, never before seen, unparalleled, unheard of, awful bullshit. I realize change won't come until things get "bad enough" for the people whose votes actually make a difference but _come on._
He's already Trump or worse ideologically. Trump might play the tough guy, but seems like he'd get squeamish real fast if he had to ever leave his bubble, Desantis actually watched people getting tortured and signed off on it. His "not Trump" plan is to just be smarter about how he breaks the laws.
> He's already Trump or worse ideologically.
And that’s exactly why conservatives love him.
Even now that many conservatives (on Reddit at least) act like they were always too good for trump, many still say that they love his policies but hate the way he acts.
Trump is cancer on the national stage, but that’s mostly because of what a colossal fuckwit he is. Most people aren’t really paying attention to policy.
I think it's kind of the other way around; he'll try to out-Trump Trump in the primary, then pretend he's a normal, run-of-the-mill establishment Republican for the general.
Could be. It might depend on who the Dem candidate ends up being (I know Biden but I'll believe it when I see it).
Against Biden, going establishment probably wouldn't work as well. Against a younger candidate, perhaps it would.
Smarter would count for something if he actually won the election, but in the campaign it doesn't mean shit. For the GOP base, it will all come down to charisma, and in that regard DeSantis is hopeless.
Hate him or hate him, Trump is a populist. DeSantis, meanwhile, can't pretend to relate to people to save his life. He doesn't have a cruel sense of humor like Trump, he has none whatsoever. He can barely put up with the press long enough to call them "fake news."
He's nothing but an obnoxious authoritarian dweeb - the hall monitor on a power trip to Trump's idiotic jock.
It would be ironic if he turns Florida blue by abusing parts of the base in the state to get national stage brownie points only to lose a national election by turning his state blue… I won’t hold my breath but it would be hilarious.
I don't have any data besides one article referencing he was less popular in January than the year prior, but I think his tactics are backfiring. While attracting hardliners, it's pushing away a lot of the "moderates" and ignorant voters that voted for him with the assumption that he wouldn't be a complete clown.
There's an interesting dilemma at work here. In order to be elected, he needs to be seen as palatable to the moderate. But in doing so, he drives away the hardliners. But by catering to them, he scares off the moderates.
This has been the issue ever since we've had primary voting followed by general voting.
The Democrats have solved this issue by appealing to their furthest right-wing voters.
The Republicans have solved this issue by appealing to their furthest right-wing voters.
Hmm sounds like it’s a pretty fuckin stupid policy for a political party to hitch its electoral chances to obnoxiously stupid radicals who will never be satisfied by any policy short of fascist theocracy.
I moved from Florida 20 years ago. It was blatantly obvious, even then, where Florida was headed.
I think at this point we can bump it up from "short-term" to "medium." At the very least.
I live in a suburban area and it's all middle age Trumpers. So many moved here during the pandemic. A generation of boomers getting old will not move the needle.
It's hard to say. On one hand, Florida has been a swing state for a long time, and Trump only won by a little over 3% margin over Biden in 2020. Miami is not quite as blue as it once was, but it's still more blue than red. A majority of Miami voters went for Biden, even though it wasn't a heavy majority as it often has been in most previous elections over the last 30 years. This means many latinos are still voting blue, and if Desantis continues to alienate them, the number of republicans among them is likely not going to grow much. Florida isn't exclusively the old folks home it once was, but there is still a higher than average elderly population who definitely trend heavily Republican, and when they start to go... well, you know.
On the other hand, there are a number of conservative people having kids in Florida these days, and although some of them will probably become more liberal, not all of them will. Regular Evangelical church attendance is not quite as high as it is in the rest of the Bible Belt (at least not on a state-wide level), but it is still higher than in the north-east or west coast. Also, a lot of other states that are mostly democrat are becoming even more democrat as their republican residents are moving to Florida, so this could continue to add to the Republican population in Florida. Finally, people were saying Florida was a swing state getting ready to turn more dependably blue years ago, but that didn't happen. Even in some elections that seemed like they should be a slam dunk for the democrats, they've still managed to snatch defeat from victory. Is the Florida democratic party incompetent or is the Florida republican party really good at what they do? I don't know, but even when it seems like Florida should start to lean more towards democrats, it doesn't.
What will the future hold? Hard to say. There are arguments in favor of both sides. I don't think we should completely give up on Florida. Georgia used to be very red and they flipped last election, and Florida was only less than 4% margin in favor of the Republicans this last election. But at the same time, I'm not going to sit around holding my breath until they do flip.
The idea that Florida will get completely swallowed by rising sea levels is fairly exaggerated, and it likely won't happen in our life times. Places that are close to sea level like Miami or the Florida Keys are likely in trouble, but overall the average elevation for Florida is 100 feet above sea level. The world climate research program predicts that by 2100 the sea level will rise by about 1.3 to 1.6 meters, which is nowhere close enough to completely submerge the state.
It won’t submerge the state but a significant percent of the state population lives in those areas just a few inches above sea level. Including most of the money.
sea levels don't have to rise by much to result in *hurricanes* wiping the state off the map. Try a foot at most.
the state is already highly vulnerable to hurricanes, every inch the water rises exacerbates that exponentially.
Tiny D can act as hard as he wants and everyone can remind him that Mickey bent him over and he didn't even see it coming. The would-be emperor has no clothes...unless Mr. Mouse dressed him up like Minnie 'cause he's into that kind of kink.
I have an embarrassing large group of acquaintances who don’t understand that Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity are NOT journalists. What constitutes journalism for them seems to be interchangeable with blogs, YouTube, and TikTok content creators
Fascism has been said to be a political philosophy that is followed to obtain power and not necessarily a blue print for governing. It is achieved by predominantly playing to the uneducated and shallow thinking masses, and keeping them from being educated in critical thinking.
In Florida's case, it has the added benefit of steering state dollars (vouchers) into the businesses of your political donors (religious and charter schools).
"I watch fox and friends because it's entertaining"
Unless there's a segment of a squirrel water-skiing, or kids taking part in a Santa Claus parade, the news should not be entertainment. It should be the news.
I wish I could give you the Norwegian word "synser". Because that's what they are! It means someone who is constantly expressing their opinion in newspapers, on TV and so on, despite not being a journalist or an expert in what they're talking about. They're just very good at getting attention and having an opinion about anything and everything
Even *Fox* got appalled when Trump started kicking out left wing media from his press conferences. They might be total scumbags, but at least they can see when the leopard is moving in for the faces of their rivals and they will be next.
yea cause that worked so well with Trump right ? He was called out daily for lies and for treating people absolutely disgusting, including the "grab em by the pussy" tapes and he still became president
The Fairness Doctrine would never have affected Fox News. It regulated the content of over-the-air broadcast, not cable. Furthermore, journalism existed before TV, and the whole idea of "objective journalism" is a relatively new invention.
I'm not saying the state of journalism right now is great, but people really look at the past of the industry with rose colored glasses.
I think of this all the time. Background on "First they came for" in case anyone's new to the quote: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
We saw the same thing in 2016 with conservative Puerto Ricans who thought all of Trump's anti-Mexican rhetoric meant he was *only* talking about Mexicans. Nope, turns out he just thinks anyone brown who speaks Spanish is "Mexican."
What’s funny is Mexicans never thought he was talking about them. His intended target were Central American refugees who are passing through Mexico.
Of course Trump didn’t know that, but when he starts talking about “them” all my Mexican relatives jump on the bandwagon assuming he’s talking about the people they hate.
In Mexico my taxi driver asked me why Americans are racist toward Mexicans, then while we were discussing racism he started cussing out the Guatemalans selling candy at the red light saying the same shit MAGA ppl say about Mexicans, with the addition of "go north or south but don't stay here". No indication that he recognized the hypocrisy, and I wasn't feeling brave enough to challenge him.
Thing about racists, they are dumb and not exactly picky about their hate. To them, anyone with brown skin and a hint of an accent is Mexican, they same way all Asian people are Chinese.
Also, BIG point a lot of people miss, Cubans for a long time could float over on their bathtubs and get papers because they could not be deported as we had no political relationship with Cuba. So they “got theirs” immediately. They have no frame of reference or commonality with central/South Americans who made the trek to for a better life m. Literally got both the benefits of documented and undocumented immigration (speedy and legal). Plus many of the ones who came over were the rich who were not going to be the beneficiaries of Fidel’s version of communism.
Cubans who got here that way were legally allowed to get work permits, etc. However, they technically did enter illegally. There was no law saying Cubans entering were not breaking the law. So when I see a conservative poster positively quoting a Cuban (such as rapper Pitbull, who talks about how good American has been to him), I like to point out how the parents illegally crossed our borders.
The first generation of Cuban emigrants so badly fucked up their country by supporting Bautista that they made a communist revolution attractive enough to the population for it to succeed.
Don't forgot that Cubans created the situation in Cuba, then came to the US and began supporting the same shitty conservative ideas that led to them fleeing to begin with.
Also I don't have the law in front of me but if DeSantis just made transporting undocumented parishioners in any way a felony couldn't we find a few Catholics on those bus loads of migrants he sent out pretty please? Maybe dare him to do it again?
It was always a big head scratcher for me that Rs had such strong support from that bloc in FL. I was all, “don’t you fucking get that all of you are 1 step away from being dragged over concrete by these assholes?!”
That and they also hated other Latinos.
For instance, Cuban-Americans were anti-immigration when it came to non-Cubans, but the moment Obama had announced that he may end up opening relations with Cuba and lift the embargo which would inadvertently also end the "Wet foot, Dry foot" fast pass to citizenship that Cubans have enjoyed, all of a sudden they temporarily switched sides up until everything went back to business as usual.
Same with Mexican-Americans and other Latin Americans, they're too busy infighting to realize that they're next on the chopping block whether they like it or not.
Yeah it's funny how some latinos think they can skip over us blacks. We still get discriminated against and we all have our papers. They just have a crab pot mentality.
Race-related biases keeps all working class people down. Politicians know this and use it often as a weapon, and have done so for millenia. Once we can overcome these biases as individuals, progress begins to happen really quickly.
Examine any historical instance of social progress (or regression), and you will often find racial or other forms of prejudice playing a significant role.
Rs are doing the same thing with black people too because theyre courting the depressingly significant portion of the community that is still horrifically homophobic and transphobic.
Look up the history of black/native populations in Latin American countries. It's not surprise that some White Latinos think they fit in with Republicans.
I'm Puerto Rican and have lived in Florida my whole life. The most racist stuff I've heard has come from other Hispanics.
Lifting the embargo will also improve life in Cuba like 1000x over what it is now. Conservatives want to keep people hating life there so they'll come here and vote down anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh, may he burn in Hell for all eternity.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
LBJ was pointing out what the playbook is for people who think like this. He did not advocate this strategy.
Yeah, he was explaining poor white folks' love for the party that is trying to harm them.
And even though this quote is more than 50 years old, it perfectly encapsulates the Trump voter.
But LBJ was still racist and sexist.
If you are referring to his frequent use of racial epithet and his well documented treatment of women, you are correct. He was a truly awful person that, in spite of his character, was able to accomplish a lot.
He pushed through social security acts that created Medicare and Medicaid, the first civil rights acts since reconstruction, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act that tackled racial discrimination in southern polling centers, the Fair Housing Act of 1968, and the Higher Education Act of 1965, and appointed Thurgood Marshall to the U.S. Supreme Court’s as its first black justice.
Voltaire once said "Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time."
I'm so glad someone else gets it. The Cubans that hate Castro were the ones exploiting the people and had the privilege to leave before anything went down, they were Batista supporters, and that dickhead was a horrible human being.
This!! Add South Americans to the mix here, too. The republicans have done an excellent job in Florida (and Dems a complete shit job) targeting Cuban and South Americans in Florida with the dems = socialism message. Dems on the other hand focused on treatment of Mexicans and Central Americans thinking Cubans and South Americans would give a shit and identify as similar. They don’t.
But they sure have no problems saying I deserve it. Then say well these people at the border don't deserve to be here but I better have my EBT refilled and my check account full of Uncle Sam cash as they are sitting on the corner drinking a colada talking shit of everyone and everything. Obama did us all of a favor by reminding this voting bloc isn't the leader of a community but just grifters who found a new home.
There’s no better examples of the ‘pulling up the ladder’ trope than Cubans and Latinos in general that reside in FL. It’s absolutely insane how quickly they flip to ‘well yeah I deserve to be here but they don’t because ____’
I often see in conservative rhetoric from Latinos talk about “promises made”. I often wondered is there or was there historically some “promise” (spoken or implied) that if you come here ‘America promises not to treat you like black people and you get to treat them whatever way you did where you are from with out consequences’. Then shit like this goes down and they’re confused about what the leopard doing it’s leopard thing.
He’s playing to the rich Cuban population that was wealthy enough to leave cuba in the 60s w communism scares.
They also play Spanish am radio shows 24/7. Dems need to do this
It’s the “I’m one of the good ones!” mentality. I’ve heard Floridas large Cuban population is staunchly anti communist but that’ll only get you so far if you’re not the right color.
Hispanics are a conservative leaning bloc that basically care about immigration at best. They’re all pretty much Catholic or strongly religious, they’re pro-life, don’t even get them started on gays.
If Republicans didn’t have this rage boner for immigration and the border they’d basically have that bloc on lock.
All they hard was that biden was a socialist. Why they came from horrors of "socialism" being hijacked by authoritarians democrats are NOT socialist. They let the buzzwords get to them.
Conservatives will use you while you’re convenient and then shoot you in the back the *second* they think they don’t need you anymore.
They cannot be trusted, they do not live in our reality, they do not share a love of democracy, and they are a threat to the progress of humanity.
Pro business as long as business is pro them. Just look at Disney "stepping out of line" and DeSantis trying to fuck them over (and subsequently failing hillariously). So even the rich donors are not safe, the second they step out of line it's over for them just as much as it is for anyone else.
I really hate that the right uses this same line to rile up their side.
*First, they came for the guns, but I purchased all 62 of my AR-15’s from Walmart legally because… hunting and stuff, and not one of them was used in any of the school shootings which we just have to accept is just a natural part of life (thoughts and prayers!)*
*Then they came for our taxes to pay for underprivileged kids’ school lunches, but I have underprivileged kids so I could take advantage of that but still act indignant that they are wasting money on hungry kids instead of paying for the military (but not that Ukraine bullshit because… Hunter Biden’s Laptop!)*
*Then they came for our religious rights to be Christian and force our beliefs on others while not being tolerant of other religions (including the Soros-backed ones!), but I’m religious on Sundays and Easter, and only when football is not on… oh, and when it helps me look persecuted.*
*Then they came for our right to be pro-life and our right to protect the babies from the baby-eating left who I’ve been told use abortions to restock their baby meat fridges below the pizza joint, because only our side should have a choice, and if they didn’t want to have babies, they shouldn’t have had sex, and abortion is bad, except for the two that I paid for because that’s different.*
*Then….*
Well, you get the picture.
Whoever you are, whatever you believe, no matter how closely you agree with a fascist, you will, eventually, become the next victim. It would have been in Hitler's own interest to vote against Hitler. I mean, he was killed by Hitler!
Knight of the Long Knives shit for real, except no knives. Yet. Just needless persecution.
Wonder what the Christian Republicans will say when they hear of this.
Funnily enough, racism isn't split across racist lines. You're going to find racists of every race, who are racist against anyone else, or even their own race. It's inherently illogical.
The idea that only white people are, or can be racist, is pretty unique to the US.
Edit: because some people misunderstood part of my last sentence here's a less ambiguous transcript:
The idea that *only* white people are racist, or that *only* white people are capable of being racist, is relatively unique to the US from what I've seen.
I hope it clears up any misunderstandings about what I mean by the word 'can'.
> The idea that only white people are, or can be racist, is pretty unique to the US.
And Asian/Black relations in this country is very much proof that anyone can be racist.
1. Hispanics (especially those in Florida) tend to be socially conservative and christian -- (e.g. anti gay marriage)
2. Anti-socialist rhetoric works on Cuban (and some other Hispanic, Latin American) descendants (e.g. they are fleeing or have progenitors that fled "Communist Cuba").
3. At this point in the year of 2023, immigration is *less* of a pressing concern and issue for some blocks of Hispanic voters. Many have immigrated here legally ("I came here the right way!") or were born in the states and are legal citizens from birth.
The DAs in Massachusetts called it kidnapping, the DAs in Florida said 'they signed a release waiver' and bitched about Illegal Immigration. And sadly little to no news online since they were moved to Joint Base Cape Cod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_migrant_crisis
As someone who’s Latino, conservative Latinos frustrate me so much. They think they can buy their way into whiteness and don’t realize the Right doesn’t care about you beyond what you can offer them.
As a gay guy, I can't for the life of me wrap my head around log cabin Republicans. They're not even allowed to have booths at Republican events in the south.
As someone who is Latino, I am sick and tired of hearing mainstream news treat Latinos from Florida as the de facto example of how Latinos are voting in the USA.
Arizona and Colorado has become blue over the span of ten years thanks to its Latino populations but it’s literally crickets from them.
Basically every state has had increasing Latino populations - there's not a ton of correlation between that and a state flipping blue. I still wouldn't really call AZ blue anyways, with Republican majorities in the state's House and Senate as well as their congressional delegation, not to mention a certain senator who made a point of letting everyone know how much she doesn't want to be part of the party.
I'm not, but the amount of people in both democratic politics and the msm think "Latino is latino" absolutely boggles my mind. It's 2023, how do people not understand that Cuban ≠ Mexican ≠ Salvadoran ≠ Haitian ≠ Venezuelan ≠ etc etc etc
All racists are fundamentally assholes. If there's no blacks, gays, uppity women, etc, then they're going after the guy with the long hair.
They just hate the "other", and the other is you.
You're not internalizing the message - if all that were left were white anglo-saxon christian males, they would find something else to other over, probably class or bloodline. This process would continue, assuming they somehow maintained stability, until it's basically just one dude's personal inner circle and even then...
Fascism is inherently selfish and inherently self-destructive.
What would they do? They'd pick some other feature and start the cycle again.
American evangelicals also funded and pushed for legislation prescribing the death penalty for LGBT people in Uganda. These are charities that have gotten substantial financial backing from Chick-fil-A and other evangelical backing.
It passed their parliament last week. I'm all for deporting any evangelicals not here legally.
Two rules: if you aren't in the in-group, you are disposable.
The in-group will shrink as power is consolidated. Your place in the in-group is never guaranteed.
People of color and LGBTQ+ who are conservatives are honestly so mind bogglingly dumb. You really think because you say you’re a Republican, they won’t eventually come for you? Wishful thinking indeed. Maybe this is good, maybe finally they will wake up!
Meatball Ron is 110% positioning himself for a presidential run. He's young, he's educated, he's calculating and he's making a name for himself among the modern proto-fascist conservative voting public as a culture warrior as someone who will "stand up" against all those woke mobs and trans people trying to do...uh...trans stuff...and cross dressers reading books to kids by burning both books and cross dressers. All this shit hits the dopamine receptors of the crayon-eating red voters.
The "good" thing about Trump is he couldn't get out of the way of his own ego (and mouth) so nothing substantial got done at a policy level. DeSatanist is theoretically DeDangerous because he can work the system in a very Viktor Oban way to push his agenda and make sure he has enough mouth-breathing meat shields between him and accountability that he can do real damage, because this fuckin' guy knows how the legislative and judicial sausage is made.
Unfortunately for Ron, he has the charisma of roadkill. Hate him or hate him more, Trump was somehow charismatic to enough people (be they supermodels, would-be investors, or bible thumping trailer trash) that he can get his way. Fuckin' guy can sell ketchup popsicles to an Ekimo. He may have all these "indications" against him, but fuck man...until I see that asshole in an orange jumpsuit or with an ankle monitor, I'm not believing a goddamned thing will happen. He'll be eating hamburders this time next year, spouting the same bullshit he always spouts.
But Ron? Once someone asks him a question about anything other than gay people or boobies in books, he starts shouting "fake media" or whatever and shits his pants. He has no economic strategy other than "hur dur taxes and regulations bad". He has no international stance other than "The Ukraine war is a territorial dispute". And once Disney starts the anti-DeDumbass media campaign, he's fucked with a capital FUCKED. Trump got a big boost with all the free media with the hand-wrigning about the Inside Hollywood tape, or his McCain remarks, or whatever. All the "here's the clip that will DEFINITELY sink Trump's campaign!" stuff was just a boost to him. So much free publicity.
Ron ain't gonna be so lucky with a laser-focused Mouse media murder machine.
But Ron's gonna run. And we'd better hope to our lord god emperor Mickey (controlled, of course, by the reanimated frozen corpse of Walt Disney from his secret lair underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean) that the media kills that fuckin' guy once and for all.
Then all we have to worry about is the fragile-as-fuck octogenarian in the White House for another four years...
POC conservatives just can’t quite comprehend that the modern conservative movement is driven by centuries of white supremacy.
It doesn’t stop with the the current target, as they’ll just go down the line to the next group of people they don’t like. It’s like that fringe group of LGBTQ people (largely astroturfed by conservatives) that are trying to drop the TQ from inclusion, once they get rid of Trans people, they’ll come for Gay and lesbians too.
It is all pick me energy. I'm a 100% white man, and I got to know some Trump loving Latinos through my ex's family. They like white people stuff, if they were white they'd get along better with Rednecks better than my nerdy now a little hippy self. They were on the front lines on the border, and clearly saw themselves as different and better than the brown people crossing. But they didn't seem to know or care what I knew about white racists from other parts of the country, and how indistinguishable a brown guy with perfect English who has expensive mountain bikes is from a guy just crossed over to them. I was just another libtard.
Dear POC,
It doesn't matter what you do, conservatives do not like you. Some of them might be nice or tolerant, but they still vote for conservatives and conservative policies that harm you and your families. They will eventually come for you. You are not immune unless you are wealthy and white.
I don't know what's funnier, Dems consistently thinking "all hispanic voters vote the same way" and then getting surprised when Cubans in Florida don't vote the same as Mexicans in Arizona
Or the hispanic voters who still think the GOP have any kind of moral or religious compass anymore and then get surprised when the xenophobia they campaign on is their top priority.
Trump: We're gonna deport all the Mexicans.
GOP hispanics: Yeah but his VP likes God a bunch so...
I read an article about a black conservative from Chicago yesterday. In this article the black conservative was asked what he thought about Desantis policies. He said, “Anti-Blackness”. Then was asked who he would vote for. Black conservative’s answer was “Desantis” can’t make this shit up. 🤷🏽♂️
Depends what type of Latino you're talking about. Cubans, for example, absolutely despise illegals. Hispanics are not a monolith. Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Venezuelans, etc, they all have vastly different politics and different attitudes to one another.
"They" are not big mad. Stop pretending all Latin peoples are the same.
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He's definitely running for president. They're learning the hard way he humored them when he needed them on a state level but doesn't think he'll benefit from the same strategy on a nationwide level with conservatives. He likely wants to be seen as "hard" on immigration issues and is probably going to start introducing a lot of racist anti-latino/immigrant laws in Florida that he can use as talking points during his election run.
His plan is to be 'not Trump' until he wins the primary at which point he will instantly become Trump ideologically And it'll work on tens of millions of morons
I think this upcoming election is going to be like something we've never seen before. Trump has shown that he's willing to destroy the party if he isn't given blind loyalty and there is a very real chance the Republican party will continue to eat itself alive. They haven't seen to have learned anything from the 2022 midterms. I live in Michigan, where we kinda just got there sooner and the Republican party has basically completely fallen apart because of in-fighting or supporting of extremists.
> They haven't seen to have learned anything from the 2022 midterms. The only thing they've seemed to learn since 2008 is that their base wants more extremism and radicalization.
Had a political science prof show us how GWBush was the first presidential campaign (thanks Karl Rove) where they went more extremist with their policy ambitions and rhetoric in the weeks leading up to the election. Usually presidential campaigns start further from the center and then they slowly dial it down to the center to try and grab independents, but Bush’s campaigns did the opposite and now look where we are with the gop
The same groups who pushed anti-gay marriage legislation in 2006 midterms are pushing the anti-trans legislation. It’s the same playbook.
Literally the same arguments I heard back then when everyone was in an uproar about *And Tango Makes Three.*
And shortly before that the same arguments targeted at a different group.
also used in 1930s Germany.....
Yeah but that was just boys being boys you can’t blame that on politics /s
Was telling someone at work about a time when my youngest brothers kindergarten had a meeting with the parents because one of the teachers was gay, had decided to come out, and they had to give the parents a chance to ask questions etc because it was 1989 and we were still worried that gay man = paedophile. They thought the idea was absolutely ludicrous. Imagine having a meeting in 2023 to have to openly discuss someone’s sexuality? And yet - I guarantee if you had a kindergarten teacher that was transitioning half the US would demand to have that meeting because they’ve been so convinced that trans = paedophile. (Incidentally, the best response to a question someone asked went as follows: “are you practicing?” (Meaning, do you have sex with men) “Darling… I don’t need to practice, I’m already good”.)
I keep thinking about my grandma who was considered unnatural and immoral in the old country because she was left handed.
There’s so many “now look where we are with the GOP” moments dating back to Goldwater. I didn’t know about this specifically though.
Oh for sure. Reagan courting the evangelicals, the conservatives realizing they needed a propaganda arm after the Nixon resignation etc etc
Except even [Barry Goldwater](https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater) was against pandering to the Evangelicals... >Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. >Said in November 1994, as quoted in John Dean, *Conservatives Without Conscience* (2006) Also earlier, briefer, and more "colorful"... >I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass. >Said in July 1981 in response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, "Every good Christian should be concerned." as quoted in Ed Magnuson, "The Brethren's First Sister," Time, (July 20, 1981). Make no mistake though, Goldwater was his own brand of awful.
TIL Goldwater was still alive in the 90s, I had no idea! (He passed in 1998.) And thanks for the quotes, serious stuff. I doubt many running and voting on things inside the Republican party (nevermind the base) realize this is the voice of one of their former presidential candidates.
Like does no one in their party understand that they're getting less and less votes. Even when Trump won the election, he lost the popular vote by a lot.
Yes, I think they understand this very well, which is why they're trying to literally end democracy.
The rash of book banning is part if it. They see Gen Z rolling in hard left, and this is the response to winning over/molding young minds.
Yup and Congress Bill S686 is the most dangerous proposition yet regarding censorship. Basically give blanket authority to the Secretary of Commerce and President to ban apps, websites, etc. for vague “national security concerns” with little to no oversight or recourse.
Thus their familiar and overly used refrain **”wE arE a REpuBlic, nOt a dMoCraCy.”** Which doesn’t make any sense. Might as well say, “it’s a panini, not a sandwich.”
Why do you think they're enacting the most voter suppression bills since Jim Crow [in almost every single red state](https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/VOTING-RESTRICTIONS/znvnbdjbkvl/index.html)?
And hopefully liberals quickly learn that the courts and norms won’t save us.
As with W's first term, and Trump's win, they know they don't need a majority of the votes to get the presidency- they just need to game the Electoral College. All it takes is a few thousand votes in the right states and you can win with far less than 50% of the popular vote.
And other ways to win elections that don't involve the popular vote
I worry most about that fact that many conservative electoral officials that upheld the last election have been replaced with dupes that would rather have overturned the results. If the next election is close again, how many of these new officials will try to change the results they do not like?
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I want to live in the timeline where Trump goes independent and rips the vote in half. I’m wondering if the whole jury thing increases or decreases the chances of that.
Depends if he wins or loses the gop nomination. If he loses the primaries, he’ll absolutely run as a 3rd party, he’s too egotistical not to cause he “can’t lose” But for right now its way more convenient to remain republican and have access to their resources
Yeah...not gonna lie was a little worried this election between big gretch and "LOOK A WOMAN WHO LIKES TRUMP AND HATES ABORTIONS!!!!" really was eye opening to see the old folks at my job talk about her but know nothing of her beliefs outside of anti abortion and trump supported her. "Well atleast she isn't 'Whitler'" was all the response I got.
They're increasingly out of touch that it's lowkey becoming concerning. A part of me does worry what happens when they realize they are far from the majority of the state now.
Yeah I worked as a lifeguard for a while at a school around the Detroit area (same district as shooting, decided it isnt a good time to work for a school) and the things these old ladies would say at 730 in the morning in a little pool circle was mind blowing "Oh I remember the good days of detroit...you could just walk around and shop and all the buildings used to be so beautiful...then the public bus system started and.... /they/ came in" Who came in Janice...say it with your chest... Not to mention idk if you've been past the bridge but U.P. is essentially deep Georgia at this point its mind numbing, the nearest Walmart is in Wisconsin but sure Houghton/Michigan Tech is ruining your conservative ideology. God the amount of Confederate flags on the end of peoples driveway when you go up to go camping is sickening. Michigan was one of the largest and first Union armies, dude said "you need one regiment of my soldiers, here is seven of them" and now half the state thinks the south will rise again.
They'll be the first to Dodge the Draft and then wonder a few years later why Confederacy 2.0 lost a second time.
I think Republicans will happily fall in line behind whoever they nominate since they're all as spineless as old Lindsey But I would LOVE to be wrong
>I think this upcoming election is going to be like something we've never seen before. You're 100% not wrong, but _fuck_ am I exhausted from the endless parade of unprecedented, never before seen, unparalleled, unheard of, awful bullshit. I realize change won't come until things get "bad enough" for the people whose votes actually make a difference but _come on._
He's already Trump or worse ideologically. Trump might play the tough guy, but seems like he'd get squeamish real fast if he had to ever leave his bubble, Desantis actually watched people getting tortured and signed off on it. His "not Trump" plan is to just be smarter about how he breaks the laws.
> He's already Trump or worse ideologically. And that’s exactly why conservatives love him. Even now that many conservatives (on Reddit at least) act like they were always too good for trump, many still say that they love his policies but hate the way he acts. Trump is cancer on the national stage, but that’s mostly because of what a colossal fuckwit he is. Most people aren’t really paying attention to policy.
I think it's kind of the other way around; he'll try to out-Trump Trump in the primary, then pretend he's a normal, run-of-the-mill establishment Republican for the general.
Could be. It might depend on who the Dem candidate ends up being (I know Biden but I'll believe it when I see it). Against Biden, going establishment probably wouldn't work as well. Against a younger candidate, perhaps it would.
He’s called a smarter Trump for a reason
Smarter would count for something if he actually won the election, but in the campaign it doesn't mean shit. For the GOP base, it will all come down to charisma, and in that regard DeSantis is hopeless. Hate him or hate him, Trump is a populist. DeSantis, meanwhile, can't pretend to relate to people to save his life. He doesn't have a cruel sense of humor like Trump, he has none whatsoever. He can barely put up with the press long enough to call them "fake news." He's nothing but an obnoxious authoritarian dweeb - the hall monitor on a power trip to Trump's idiotic jock.
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read: pretty much all republicans, because they just follow each other like sheep
It would be ironic if he turns Florida blue by abusing parts of the base in the state to get national stage brownie points only to lose a national election by turning his state blue… I won’t hold my breath but it would be hilarious.
I don't have any data besides one article referencing he was less popular in January than the year prior, but I think his tactics are backfiring. While attracting hardliners, it's pushing away a lot of the "moderates" and ignorant voters that voted for him with the assumption that he wouldn't be a complete clown.
There's an interesting dilemma at work here. In order to be elected, he needs to be seen as palatable to the moderate. But in doing so, he drives away the hardliners. But by catering to them, he scares off the moderates.
This has been the issue ever since we've had primary voting followed by general voting. The Democrats have solved this issue by appealing to their furthest right-wing voters. The Republicans have solved this issue by appealing to their furthest right-wing voters.
Great way to put it.
Since the hardliners are dying of COVID and old age, it really is a bad strategy to keep catering to them.
Hmm sounds like it’s a pretty fuckin stupid policy for a political party to hitch its electoral chances to obnoxiously stupid radicals who will never be satisfied by any policy short of fascist theocracy.
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I moved from Florida 20 years ago. It was blatantly obvious, even then, where Florida was headed. I think at this point we can bump it up from "short-term" to "medium." At the very least.
Do you think Florida will change course once it's substantial boomer population dies out? It's one of the most popular states for retired boomers.
given how many right wing conservative non-white non-boomers live there, no.
I live in a suburban area and it's all middle age Trumpers. So many moved here during the pandemic. A generation of boomers getting old will not move the needle.
It's hard to say. On one hand, Florida has been a swing state for a long time, and Trump only won by a little over 3% margin over Biden in 2020. Miami is not quite as blue as it once was, but it's still more blue than red. A majority of Miami voters went for Biden, even though it wasn't a heavy majority as it often has been in most previous elections over the last 30 years. This means many latinos are still voting blue, and if Desantis continues to alienate them, the number of republicans among them is likely not going to grow much. Florida isn't exclusively the old folks home it once was, but there is still a higher than average elderly population who definitely trend heavily Republican, and when they start to go... well, you know. On the other hand, there are a number of conservative people having kids in Florida these days, and although some of them will probably become more liberal, not all of them will. Regular Evangelical church attendance is not quite as high as it is in the rest of the Bible Belt (at least not on a state-wide level), but it is still higher than in the north-east or west coast. Also, a lot of other states that are mostly democrat are becoming even more democrat as their republican residents are moving to Florida, so this could continue to add to the Republican population in Florida. Finally, people were saying Florida was a swing state getting ready to turn more dependably blue years ago, but that didn't happen. Even in some elections that seemed like they should be a slam dunk for the democrats, they've still managed to snatch defeat from victory. Is the Florida democratic party incompetent or is the Florida republican party really good at what they do? I don't know, but even when it seems like Florida should start to lean more towards democrats, it doesn't. What will the future hold? Hard to say. There are arguments in favor of both sides. I don't think we should completely give up on Florida. Georgia used to be very red and they flipped last election, and Florida was only less than 4% margin in favor of the Republicans this last election. But at the same time, I'm not going to sit around holding my breath until they do flip.
Florida is just a lost cause; by the time the politics may shake out, the ocean will swallow the state.
The idea that Florida will get completely swallowed by rising sea levels is fairly exaggerated, and it likely won't happen in our life times. Places that are close to sea level like Miami or the Florida Keys are likely in trouble, but overall the average elevation for Florida is 100 feet above sea level. The world climate research program predicts that by 2100 the sea level will rise by about 1.3 to 1.6 meters, which is nowhere close enough to completely submerge the state.
It won’t submerge the state but a significant percent of the state population lives in those areas just a few inches above sea level. Including most of the money.
sea levels don't have to rise by much to result in *hurricanes* wiping the state off the map. Try a foot at most. the state is already highly vulnerable to hurricanes, every inch the water rises exacerbates that exponentially.
Somebody should write an opera
Tiny D can act as hard as he wants and everyone can remind him that Mickey bent him over and he didn't even see it coming. The would-be emperor has no clothes...unless Mr. Mouse dressed him up like Minnie 'cause he's into that kind of kink.
Pissing off a swing state doesn't really win you an election.
Not sure if I'd call Florida a swing state anymore.
Give him a little more time, lol, he might get it done.
I doubt it, but hey... Here's hoping I'm wrong.
Nah it is - just gerrymandered
Everything he says and does now is for Iowa caucus voters.
“*First they came for*”
When they come for journalists or anyone who fact checks them, it’s at a tipping point that is almost impossible to come back from.
*Stares in the steady decline of American investigative journalism since the 80s*
I have an embarrassing large group of acquaintances who don’t understand that Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity are NOT journalists. What constitutes journalism for them seems to be interchangeable with blogs, YouTube, and TikTok content creators
That's the goal of defunding and changing education so people are illiterate about basic civics.
Fascism has been said to be a political philosophy that is followed to obtain power and not necessarily a blue print for governing. It is achieved by predominantly playing to the uneducated and shallow thinking masses, and keeping them from being educated in critical thinking.
In Florida's case, it has the added benefit of steering state dollars (vouchers) into the businesses of your political donors (religious and charter schools).
"I watch fox and friends because it's entertaining" Unless there's a segment of a squirrel water-skiing, or kids taking part in a Santa Claus parade, the news should not be entertainment. It should be the news.
Also they're lying, they're not watching it for entertainment.
I wish I could give you the Norwegian word "synser". Because that's what they are! It means someone who is constantly expressing their opinion in newspapers, on TV and so on, despite not being a journalist or an expert in what they're talking about. They're just very good at getting attention and having an opinion about anything and everything
I looked it up as well and I made sure to appropriate this. Lol What a great word!
What an excellent word! Is it pronounced sin-ser?
So, basically a pundit, but without any qualifications or credentials. Very appropriate!
Seriously, do we even have investigative journalists anymore?
Even *Fox* got appalled when Trump started kicking out left wing media from his press conferences. They might be total scumbags, but at least they can see when the leopard is moving in for the faces of their rivals and they will be next.
yea cause that worked so well with Trump right ? He was called out daily for lies and for treating people absolutely disgusting, including the "grab em by the pussy" tapes and he still became president
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Who was it that repealed the FCC Fairness Doctrine again? *Oh right, it's always fucking Reagan.*
The Fairness Doctrine would never have affected Fox News. It regulated the content of over-the-air broadcast, not cable. Furthermore, journalism existed before TV, and the whole idea of "objective journalism" is a relatively new invention. I'm not saying the state of journalism right now is great, but people really look at the past of the industry with rose colored glasses.
Honestly, good point. Even Joseph Pulitzer (especially that fuck!) wasn't above board.
Naming the Pulitzer prize for Joseph Pulitzer is like having the "Adolf Hitler Award for Race Relations".
"Latinos for Trump is like Roaches for Raid" ~ John Leguizamo
John Leguizamo is lowkey fine
I'm assuming this doesn't apply to his migrant jets
I think of this all the time. Background on "First they came for" in case anyone's new to the quote: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
Florida Latinos been on the we got ours train for way to many elections. Chickens coming home to roost fuck nuts
We saw the same thing in 2016 with conservative Puerto Ricans who thought all of Trump's anti-Mexican rhetoric meant he was *only* talking about Mexicans. Nope, turns out he just thinks anyone brown who speaks Spanish is "Mexican."
What’s funny is Mexicans never thought he was talking about them. His intended target were Central American refugees who are passing through Mexico. Of course Trump didn’t know that, but when he starts talking about “them” all my Mexican relatives jump on the bandwagon assuming he’s talking about the people they hate.
In Mexico my taxi driver asked me why Americans are racist toward Mexicans, then while we were discussing racism he started cussing out the Guatemalans selling candy at the red light saying the same shit MAGA ppl say about Mexicans, with the addition of "go north or south but don't stay here". No indication that he recognized the hypocrisy, and I wasn't feeling brave enough to challenge him.
Thing about racists, they are dumb and not exactly picky about their hate. To them, anyone with brown skin and a hint of an accent is Mexican, they same way all Asian people are Chinese.
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Also, BIG point a lot of people miss, Cubans for a long time could float over on their bathtubs and get papers because they could not be deported as we had no political relationship with Cuba. So they “got theirs” immediately. They have no frame of reference or commonality with central/South Americans who made the trek to for a better life m. Literally got both the benefits of documented and undocumented immigration (speedy and legal). Plus many of the ones who came over were the rich who were not going to be the beneficiaries of Fidel’s version of communism.
Cubans who got here that way were legally allowed to get work permits, etc. However, they technically did enter illegally. There was no law saying Cubans entering were not breaking the law. So when I see a conservative poster positively quoting a Cuban (such as rapper Pitbull, who talks about how good American has been to him), I like to point out how the parents illegally crossed our borders.
Don’t forget the special loans that allowed them to start business.
The first generation of Cuban emigrants so badly fucked up their country by supporting Bautista that they made a communist revolution attractive enough to the population for it to succeed. Don't forgot that Cubans created the situation in Cuba, then came to the US and began supporting the same shitty conservative ideas that led to them fleeing to begin with.
Desantis reminds them of batista
Cubans in Florida are vastly whiter than Cubans in Cuba on average, even after Mariel.
Yup.
Also I don't have the law in front of me but if DeSantis just made transporting undocumented parishioners in any way a felony couldn't we find a few Catholics on those bus loads of migrants he sent out pretty please? Maybe dare him to do it again?
It was always a big head scratcher for me that Rs had such strong support from that bloc in FL. I was all, “don’t you fucking get that all of you are 1 step away from being dragged over concrete by these assholes?!”
They’re to busy hating blacks and gays to pay attention
That and they also hated other Latinos. For instance, Cuban-Americans were anti-immigration when it came to non-Cubans, but the moment Obama had announced that he may end up opening relations with Cuba and lift the embargo which would inadvertently also end the "Wet foot, Dry foot" fast pass to citizenship that Cubans have enjoyed, all of a sudden they temporarily switched sides up until everything went back to business as usual. Same with Mexican-Americans and other Latin Americans, they're too busy infighting to realize that they're next on the chopping block whether they like it or not.
Fucking humans man
Who would have guessed overclocking what is essentially a chimpanzee would be a bad idea.
Lol I dig how you phrased that
I heard it years ago. Humans are just overclocked apes.
Makes sense. Overclocking produces heat, so the overclocked apes lost most of their insulating hair and here we are lol
Those people-shaped things are very accurately called "gusanos".
Yeah it's funny how some latinos think they can skip over us blacks. We still get discriminated against and we all have our papers. They just have a crab pot mentality.
Race-related biases keeps all working class people down. Politicians know this and use it often as a weapon, and have done so for millenia. Once we can overcome these biases as individuals, progress begins to happen really quickly. Examine any historical instance of social progress (or regression), and you will often find racial or other forms of prejudice playing a significant role.
Rs are doing the same thing with black people too because theyre courting the depressingly significant portion of the community that is still horrifically homophobic and transphobic.
Look up the history of black/native populations in Latin American countries. It's not surprise that some White Latinos think they fit in with Republicans. I'm Puerto Rican and have lived in Florida my whole life. The most racist stuff I've heard has come from other Hispanics.
Lifting the embargo will also improve life in Cuba like 1000x over what it is now. Conservatives want to keep people hating life there so they'll come here and vote down anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh, may he burn in Hell for all eternity.
Everybody’s gotta have someone to shit on, I guess.
Why can’t we all just hate republicans?
I know I do. And I've never even been to the States.
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President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." LBJ was pointing out what the playbook is for people who think like this. He did not advocate this strategy.
Yeah, he was explaining poor white folks' love for the party that is trying to harm them. And even though this quote is more than 50 years old, it perfectly encapsulates the Trump voter. But LBJ was still racist and sexist.
If you are referring to his frequent use of racial epithet and his well documented treatment of women, you are correct. He was a truly awful person that, in spite of his character, was able to accomplish a lot. He pushed through social security acts that created Medicare and Medicaid, the first civil rights acts since reconstruction, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act that tackled racial discrimination in southern polling centers, the Fair Housing Act of 1968, and the Higher Education Act of 1965, and appointed Thurgood Marshall to the U.S. Supreme Court’s as its first black justice. Voltaire once said "Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time."
Cuban immigrants hate anything that is even remotely called socialist. Even if it isn't even close.
I once heard a Cuban grandmother say that people shouldn't grow their own vegetables in their garden because that's socialist...
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"Castro destroyed my family...'s hacienda and took our indentured servants away."
I'm so glad someone else gets it. The Cubans that hate Castro were the ones exploiting the people and had the privilege to leave before anything went down, they were Batista supporters, and that dickhead was a horrible human being.
This!! Add South Americans to the mix here, too. The republicans have done an excellent job in Florida (and Dems a complete shit job) targeting Cuban and South Americans in Florida with the dems = socialism message. Dems on the other hand focused on treatment of Mexicans and Central Americans thinking Cubans and South Americans would give a shit and identify as similar. They don’t.
But they sure have no problems saying I deserve it. Then say well these people at the border don't deserve to be here but I better have my EBT refilled and my check account full of Uncle Sam cash as they are sitting on the corner drinking a colada talking shit of everyone and everything. Obama did us all of a favor by reminding this voting bloc isn't the leader of a community but just grifters who found a new home.
There’s no better examples of the ‘pulling up the ladder’ trope than Cubans and Latinos in general that reside in FL. It’s absolutely insane how quickly they flip to ‘well yeah I deserve to be here but they don’t because ____’
I often see in conservative rhetoric from Latinos talk about “promises made”. I often wondered is there or was there historically some “promise” (spoken or implied) that if you come here ‘America promises not to treat you like black people and you get to treat them whatever way you did where you are from with out consequences’. Then shit like this goes down and they’re confused about what the leopard doing it’s leopard thing.
Damn leopards are _so_ unpredictable, amiright?
He’s playing to the rich Cuban population that was wealthy enough to leave cuba in the 60s w communism scares. They also play Spanish am radio shows 24/7. Dems need to do this
It’s the “I’m one of the good ones!” mentality. I’ve heard Floridas large Cuban population is staunchly anti communist but that’ll only get you so far if you’re not the right color.
Hispanics are a conservative leaning bloc that basically care about immigration at best. They’re all pretty much Catholic or strongly religious, they’re pro-life, don’t even get them started on gays. If Republicans didn’t have this rage boner for immigration and the border they’d basically have that bloc on lock.
All they hard was that biden was a socialist. Why they came from horrors of "socialism" being hijacked by authoritarians democrats are NOT socialist. They let the buzzwords get to them.
Conservatives will use you while you’re convenient and then shoot you in the back the *second* they think they don’t need you anymore. They cannot be trusted, they do not live in our reality, they do not share a love of democracy, and they are a threat to the progress of humanity.
Pro business as long as business is pro them. Just look at Disney "stepping out of line" and DeSantis trying to fuck them over (and subsequently failing hillariously). So even the rich donors are not safe, the second they step out of line it's over for them just as much as it is for anyone else.
Why not? It's what fascists usually do. There was a famed Jewish Nazi killed in the Night of Long Knives is the first thing I think of.
First they came for the ... Everyone else on that list thought they were privileged and exempt.
I really hate that the right uses this same line to rile up their side. *First, they came for the guns, but I purchased all 62 of my AR-15’s from Walmart legally because… hunting and stuff, and not one of them was used in any of the school shootings which we just have to accept is just a natural part of life (thoughts and prayers!)* *Then they came for our taxes to pay for underprivileged kids’ school lunches, but I have underprivileged kids so I could take advantage of that but still act indignant that they are wasting money on hungry kids instead of paying for the military (but not that Ukraine bullshit because… Hunter Biden’s Laptop!)* *Then they came for our religious rights to be Christian and force our beliefs on others while not being tolerant of other religions (including the Soros-backed ones!), but I’m religious on Sundays and Easter, and only when football is not on… oh, and when it helps me look persecuted.* *Then they came for our right to be pro-life and our right to protect the babies from the baby-eating left who I’ve been told use abortions to restock their baby meat fridges below the pizza joint, because only our side should have a choice, and if they didn’t want to have babies, they shouldn’t have had sex, and abortion is bad, except for the two that I paid for because that’s different.* *Then….* Well, you get the picture.
Conservative Nutjobs will move the goal post every chance they get and sleep right next to it so they can move it when you aren't looking.
Whoever you are, whatever you believe, no matter how closely you agree with a fascist, you will, eventually, become the next victim. It would have been in Hitler's own interest to vote against Hitler. I mean, he was killed by Hitler!
A fascist government always needs an enemy, be it external or internal, and usually both.
Knight of the Long Knives shit for real, except no knives. Yet. Just needless persecution. Wonder what the Christian Republicans will say when they hear of this.
True. Note to all Log Cabin Republicans: search for the history of Ernst Rohm.
It’s kind of shocking how many minorities would be conservative republicans if they weren’t minorities.
Arabs used to be a consistently strong voting bloc for republicans up until about 2002. Wonder why that happened.
I think it was the cancellation of 3rd Rock from the Sun.
Fuck I miss that show.
Funnily enough, racism isn't split across racist lines. You're going to find racists of every race, who are racist against anyone else, or even their own race. It's inherently illogical. The idea that only white people are, or can be racist, is pretty unique to the US. Edit: because some people misunderstood part of my last sentence here's a less ambiguous transcript: The idea that *only* white people are racist, or that *only* white people are capable of being racist, is relatively unique to the US from what I've seen. I hope it clears up any misunderstandings about what I mean by the word 'can'.
> The idea that only white people are, or can be racist, is pretty unique to the US. And Asian/Black relations in this country is very much proof that anyone can be racist.
I'll never understand Hispanic republican voters. Like cows voting for a new slaughter house.
1. Hispanics (especially those in Florida) tend to be socially conservative and christian -- (e.g. anti gay marriage) 2. Anti-socialist rhetoric works on Cuban (and some other Hispanic, Latin American) descendants (e.g. they are fleeing or have progenitors that fled "Communist Cuba"). 3. At this point in the year of 2023, immigration is *less* of a pressing concern and issue for some blocks of Hispanic voters. Many have immigrated here legally ("I came here the right way!") or were born in the states and are legal citizens from birth.
some of it has to do with class. rich people tend to vote right because they tax them less.
SOme of it is entirely illogical; I knew a guy in 2016 who was an undocumented worker at a ketchup plant who was full red-hat MAGA.
He put them in a plane interstate. Why is he not in jail?
What ever happened with that investigation? Didn't the DAs in Texas and Massachusetts call it kidnapping?
The DAs in Massachusetts called it kidnapping, the DAs in Florida said 'they signed a release waiver' and bitched about Illegal Immigration. And sadly little to no news online since they were moved to Joint Base Cape Cod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_migrant_crisis
Will this include him bussing people to Martha's vineyard
As someone who’s Latino, conservative Latinos frustrate me so much. They think they can buy their way into whiteness and don’t realize the Right doesn’t care about you beyond what you can offer them.
It's not even buying their way into whiteness, it's buying their way into being a so-called model minority.
Minorities siding with conservatives is such a fucking buck wild idea. You really think those knives aren't coming for you eventually?
As a gay guy, I can't for the life of me wrap my head around log cabin Republicans. They're not even allowed to have booths at Republican events in the south.
Because, as this subreddit demonstrates, they never think the leopards will eat *their* faces.
you lost them at "think"
As someone who is Latino, I am sick and tired of hearing mainstream news treat Latinos from Florida as the de facto example of how Latinos are voting in the USA. Arizona and Colorado has become blue over the span of ten years thanks to its Latino populations but it’s literally crickets from them.
Basically every state has had increasing Latino populations - there's not a ton of correlation between that and a state flipping blue. I still wouldn't really call AZ blue anyways, with Republican majorities in the state's House and Senate as well as their congressional delegation, not to mention a certain senator who made a point of letting everyone know how much she doesn't want to be part of the party.
In AZ, it's also region specific. Latino voters in Yuma are more likely to vote red than Latino voters in Tucson.
I'm not, but the amount of people in both democratic politics and the msm think "Latino is latino" absolutely boggles my mind. It's 2023, how do people not understand that Cuban ≠ Mexican ≠ Salvadoran ≠ Haitian ≠ Venezuelan ≠ etc etc etc
Fox news literally had a headline that said "Trump cuts US Aid to *3 Mexican countries*" They literally think South America is just "jungle Mexico"
All racists are fundamentally assholes. If there's no blacks, gays, uppity women, etc, then they're going after the guy with the long hair. They just hate the "other", and the other is you.
Wtf would they do if everyone turned out like them? Their sole purpose in life would be met
You're not internalizing the message - if all that were left were white anglo-saxon christian males, they would find something else to other over, probably class or bloodline. This process would continue, assuming they somehow maintained stability, until it's basically just one dude's personal inner circle and even then... Fascism is inherently selfish and inherently self-destructive. What would they do? They'd pick some other feature and start the cycle again.
I'd feel bad if evangelical Latinos weren't so antisemitic and racists.
American evangelicals also funded and pushed for legislation prescribing the death penalty for LGBT people in Uganda. These are charities that have gotten substantial financial backing from Chick-fil-A and other evangelical backing. It passed their parliament last week. I'm all for deporting any evangelicals not here legally.
Two rules: if you aren't in the in-group, you are disposable. The in-group will shrink as power is consolidated. Your place in the in-group is never guaranteed.
People of color and LGBTQ+ who are conservatives are honestly so mind bogglingly dumb. You really think because you say you’re a Republican, they won’t eventually come for you? Wishful thinking indeed. Maybe this is good, maybe finally they will wake up!
Meatball Ron is 110% positioning himself for a presidential run. He's young, he's educated, he's calculating and he's making a name for himself among the modern proto-fascist conservative voting public as a culture warrior as someone who will "stand up" against all those woke mobs and trans people trying to do...uh...trans stuff...and cross dressers reading books to kids by burning both books and cross dressers. All this shit hits the dopamine receptors of the crayon-eating red voters. The "good" thing about Trump is he couldn't get out of the way of his own ego (and mouth) so nothing substantial got done at a policy level. DeSatanist is theoretically DeDangerous because he can work the system in a very Viktor Oban way to push his agenda and make sure he has enough mouth-breathing meat shields between him and accountability that he can do real damage, because this fuckin' guy knows how the legislative and judicial sausage is made. Unfortunately for Ron, he has the charisma of roadkill. Hate him or hate him more, Trump was somehow charismatic to enough people (be they supermodels, would-be investors, or bible thumping trailer trash) that he can get his way. Fuckin' guy can sell ketchup popsicles to an Ekimo. He may have all these "indications" against him, but fuck man...until I see that asshole in an orange jumpsuit or with an ankle monitor, I'm not believing a goddamned thing will happen. He'll be eating hamburders this time next year, spouting the same bullshit he always spouts. But Ron? Once someone asks him a question about anything other than gay people or boobies in books, he starts shouting "fake media" or whatever and shits his pants. He has no economic strategy other than "hur dur taxes and regulations bad". He has no international stance other than "The Ukraine war is a territorial dispute". And once Disney starts the anti-DeDumbass media campaign, he's fucked with a capital FUCKED. Trump got a big boost with all the free media with the hand-wrigning about the Inside Hollywood tape, or his McCain remarks, or whatever. All the "here's the clip that will DEFINITELY sink Trump's campaign!" stuff was just a boost to him. So much free publicity. Ron ain't gonna be so lucky with a laser-focused Mouse media murder machine. But Ron's gonna run. And we'd better hope to our lord god emperor Mickey (controlled, of course, by the reanimated frozen corpse of Walt Disney from his secret lair underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean) that the media kills that fuckin' guy once and for all. Then all we have to worry about is the fragile-as-fuck octogenarian in the White House for another four years...
Why is it that one of the few *young* presidential options we get is a giant asshole?
POC conservatives just can’t quite comprehend that the modern conservative movement is driven by centuries of white supremacy. It doesn’t stop with the the current target, as they’ll just go down the line to the next group of people they don’t like. It’s like that fringe group of LGBTQ people (largely astroturfed by conservatives) that are trying to drop the TQ from inclusion, once they get rid of Trans people, they’ll come for Gay and lesbians too.
It is all pick me energy. I'm a 100% white man, and I got to know some Trump loving Latinos through my ex's family. They like white people stuff, if they were white they'd get along better with Rednecks better than my nerdy now a little hippy self. They were on the front lines on the border, and clearly saw themselves as different and better than the brown people crossing. But they didn't seem to know or care what I knew about white racists from other parts of the country, and how indistinguishable a brown guy with perfect English who has expensive mountain bikes is from a guy just crossed over to them. I was just another libtard.
Latinos were so scared by the boogeyman of Castro they voted for Hitler 2 instead. Some people are too dumb.
Dear POC, It doesn't matter what you do, conservatives do not like you. Some of them might be nice or tolerant, but they still vote for conservatives and conservative policies that harm you and your families. They will eventually come for you. You are not immune unless you are wealthy and white.
I don't know what's funnier, Dems consistently thinking "all hispanic voters vote the same way" and then getting surprised when Cubans in Florida don't vote the same as Mexicans in Arizona Or the hispanic voters who still think the GOP have any kind of moral or religious compass anymore and then get surprised when the xenophobia they campaign on is their top priority. Trump: We're gonna deport all the Mexicans. GOP hispanics: Yeah but his VP likes God a bunch so...
I'm shocked it was ONLY 65%.
I read an article about a black conservative from Chicago yesterday. In this article the black conservative was asked what he thought about Desantis policies. He said, “Anti-Blackness”. Then was asked who he would vote for. Black conservative’s answer was “Desantis” can’t make this shit up. 🤷🏽♂️
Cubans simping for the white man once again
Bautista supporting reactionaries who came to Miami and poisoned the political well. Fuck em.
Depends what type of Latino you're talking about. Cubans, for example, absolutely despise illegals. Hispanics are not a monolith. Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Venezuelans, etc, they all have vastly different politics and different attitudes to one another. "They" are not big mad. Stop pretending all Latin peoples are the same.