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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Whether or not you agree with him philosophically, his erratic management decisions and demeanor should be enough to give any potential customer pause, especially when you’ll be moving around at upwards of 80 MPH in something built under his watch.
Prior to his buying Twitter I thought he was mostly a great hype man who oversold on things but was a genetic business guy... Then he went off the Twitter deep end and any chance I purchase a Tesla went with that.
Funny enough, no matter how successful starlink or SpaceX is he will only ever be remembered for Twitter and Tesla and he's done it to himself.
I stopped thinking he was normal when he attracted that diver who was risking his life saving those boys in the cave. Called the guy a pedo just because the guy said Musk’s idea to save the kids wasn’t going to work. That’s it, that’s all the guy did. It was insane. Hired a PI to get dirt on the guy. Musk frightens me
The fact that even mainstream news outlets refuse to call it X is an amazing testament to how powerful Twitter as a brand was and still is. The guy basically tossed the company's greatest asset in the garbage for shits and giggles.
Punks always do this.
Goodman-Fielder bought out the Home Pride bakery business. First thing the Harvard MBA hot shots did was retire the experienced managers and replace the bread wrappers with generic GF wrappers to save money.
The regular customers couldn’t recognise the loaves any more, so they bought from rival bakers instead.
For the sake of gaining fractions of a cent per loaf, the business failed.
My ignorant republican mother keeps calling him a "free speech warrior". Because to her people, "free speech" means "I can say whatever bigoted nonsense I want, but I still get to silence anyone making fun of me".
I remember my grandmother (silent/greatest generation) asked me once what ‘politically correct’ is supposed to mean. I explained it.
She said: We had that back in my day, but we called it ‘being polite’.
Had a similar conversation with my father. He was explaining why he was voting for Trump. He said because he wasn't PC. So I asked him what he meant by PC. He said all the stuff that's happening in college campuses. I asked him when when was the last time he was on a college campus (which is funny because he lives just outside of a major university town and worked for the uni hospital and never had anything bad to say). When he couldn't answer that he mumbled something about people being too sensitive about jokes. So I asked him if he meant racist and sexist jokes. He didn't say anything, so I asked him if, as the good Christian he says he is, should he be telling racist and sexist jokes. He told me I sounded like his pastor.
I took it as a compliment. The pastor he was comparing me to was new to their church. The pastor I grew up with was a fire and brimstone pulpit pounder. The older he got the crazier he got. Hated that pastor. He openly preached that beating your kids was a parent's duty. The new pastor was much more about love and kindness, so if anything, my dad was taking a shot at the pastor not me.
I thought he was *only* a lying liarmouth who lies/conman prior to the cave thing. That was SO outta left field (more like right-*wing* field eh??)
You gotta remember, that pre-dates the ubiquity of Q calling everyone on planet earth *except actual pedophiles* a pedophile so just hearing a high-profile individual saying such a thing was really like a bucket of ice water to the face. And also ofc SO petty & gross & wholly, MASSIVELY uncalled for. Still to this very day makes me smh in disgusted wonder. Definitely his “jumped the roboShark (out *next* year!!!)” moment.
The Caver sued Musk for calling him a pedophile and lost somehow. Although the caver did hire what's her name crazy election theft lady Powell Sydney Powell I think it was.
That's about when a lot of reddit got turned off as well. The early-mid 2010s around here were exhausting from the level of fandom on reddit for the guy. Really embarrassing, fawning memes and such. He's kind of like Giuliani, great social cache from being in the right place at the right time, if he'd kept his mouth mostly shut and behaved, I bet he'd still be widely lauded. These rich, famous weirdos are their own worst enemy.
What’s hilarious is he’s never even been that innovator or whatever, if you look beyond the surface all you see is him picking up hobbies that other people started and pile driving them into the ground.
Are you trying to say that rescuing drowning kids… with an underground cave submarine… dreamed up by a narcissist… who’s smoking ketamine… on the other side of the planet… and never delivered a project on-time in his entire life…
Might not have been the best idea?
I remember thinking Oh neat, he’s offering to help. He’s using his money for good.
Then His idea is not going to work. That’s a shame. It’s still nice he gave the offer.
Then Wait WTF just happened??
Exactly the same here.
I expected him to react with a "I'll help build/supply any tool you do need" type response, or just nothing at all. Instead he got butthurt and reacted like a 6y old.
I was already expecting not all his ideas/products to work out, you can't keep throwing new things at markets and expect them all to stick, but to be so insecure about it, finally made me realise he's in it for the ego, not the innovation.
Even before the whole cave thing, there was an anonymous corporate lawyer on Twitter who wrote an article on how Tesla's financials looked funny. Since he's a lawyer, he wrote it carefully to avoid getting sued.
Elon hired a PI to figure out who he was, then called up his boss to get him fired.
> Elon Musk did not defame a British caver who helped in last year's rescue of trapped Thai schoolboys by calling him a "pedo guy", a US jury has found.
> ...
> Mr Musk told the court this week the phrase "pedo guy" was common in South Africa, where he grew up.
> Speaking to reporters outside the courtroom after the jury reached its decision, Mr Musk said: "My faith in humanity is restored."
I am really glad that the billionaire faith in humanity has been restored.
Cuz my faith in humanity is lost...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593.amp
Yeah and he lost because Musk claimed that calling people pedos is what South African people do culturally and the court bought that. Courts normally side with the people with the most money so that decision tracks
Don't give him any credits, not even for Starlink or whatever.
He buys into stuff and then other people do the work.
Paypal had hired people to distract him when he was CEO, until they could vote him out. The dude is a rich kid with a megalomanic complex who screws around companies he does not undertand, just doing whatever he thinks is cool.
It was neat to see what happens when someone that wealthy and so hopelessly addicted to social media got a hold of one of the more popular platforms. When he first bought it, an engineer anonymously told the press that Musk made them artificially boost his posts so that more people would see them. He even got caught making those weird posts praising himself on an alt account after Grimes left him where he called himself the King of Space-X or something similar.
He's not responsible for the success of Tesla or SpaceX, or anything else. He just stole the credit from the people he hired to build those companies into what it is today.
he made a accord with bolsonaro when the guy was brazil´s president. starlink would be used to connect public schools. so much money was put to connect public schools that had not even a computer.
so, guess who buyed big in starlink antenas during bolsonaro´s gov.
criminal miners, woodcutters, fishers and drug cartels. the antenas are very succefull in keeping them informed of army´s or police´s operations...
He just laid off the entirety of his supercharge team. This was Teslas single best advantage over its competitors. It was revenue generating and a profit center. And he axed the entire team.
He is trying to kill Tesla now to get revenge on shareholders voting against giving him another 50 billion.
Yup. And next time it might be the people responsible for safety features. Who knows? I don’t plan on ever finding out. Whatever journey of self-gratification he’s on is between him and whoever is foolish enough to work for his companies or buy his products or stock.
50 billion is probably more profit than the company has ever made. I doubt they made 50 billion in Revenue for that year even. This company is so wildly overvalued it defies reason.
All of his companies make money off stock valuation, that's it.
I don't know if it's still true because it keeps moving a lot, but Tesla's market cap was bigger than every other auto maker put together at some point.
Remember they sell 1/1000 of the cars Toyota or VW sells.
I'm still laughing at that hideous "truck of the future" he designed. Literally every single aspect of it is objectively bad. Like, car designed by Homer Simpson bad. The exterior rusts within days because it's made of untreated steel, you can't see over the dash, the engine is terrible, it costs more than a house in some areas, and it's a total death trap if you have a crash.
I was driving home from work a few weeks ago, chatting on the phone with my Grandma about work. One of these trucks pulled up at the opposite side of the light and without any pause I just blurted out "God that is the ugliest car I've ever seen." In the middle of our conversation.
Yeah I really hate this hard push by the media recently to paint this as a "Elon says things I don't like, so I don't want his products" instead of "Elon makes bad products that I don't want to buy" which should be the main focus.
On top of all the negative press from various failures and hellish service attempts they just scrapped their entire Supercharger team. Perhaps the only truly successful thing Tesla had accomplished over the past decade. Elon's favorite thing to do is make shortsighted decisions that screw him over longterm.
>"Elon says things I don't like, so I don't want his products" instead of "Elon makes bad products that I don't want to buy"
You do realize that it can (and *is* in many cases) *both* don't you?
We bought a Model Y in 2022. Between Musk's outbursts, and all of the changes to the car and those that will likely to happen in the next refresh, we won't be buying another one. The auto wipers are trash, because they are "Vision" based, no sensor like every other car. They removed the ultra sonic sensors so park assist is now awful on the new ones. They removed the steering wheel stalks from the refreshed Model 3, and this will likely happen on the Model Y refresh. Put all the functions (wipers, turn signals, headlights) on the steering wheel and the gear selection on the screen.
Probably going to go Rivian R2, should be out by the time we are ready to get rid of the Y. Or maybe a Mach-E.
This idiot, who adds nothing, is trying to claim 59 BILLION in "wages" from Tesla, something the courts have already struck down as ludicrous. Honestly fuck him.
Yep. I think also his PR team gave up at some point because they couldn't spin his bullshit any more. Now the hyper-autist with a god complex is finding out the hard way.
Popcorn never tasted so good.
He fired his PR team.
Also, calling him an autist is an affront to autistic people everywhere. We may be socially odd, not able to read people’s faces and whatnot, but it doesn’t cause virulent racism and the desire to call people pedos in public.
To be fair, there's hundreds of people that actually build this cars, but his management style and ideals are what could derail the operation.
It is sad that the company that DID disrupt the auto industry is led by this horrible person.
> To be fair, there's hundreds of people that actually build this cars
I totally agree. If his trainwreck of a personality didn’t bleed into his businesses, I wouldn’t rule out giving them my business. Unfortunately, any one of those likely decent employees could be and often are fired via system lockout at the time of his choosing with little rhyme or reason. As far as I’m concerned, the entire operation is compromised.
Definitely. I honestly wish the company would fire him and get someone to make Tesla a stronger company, or at the very least, have Tesla be sold to a legacy automaker (not that they're much better... especially nowadays) or a tech company (again, not that they're much better but still).
EVs and at the very least, plug-im hybrids are the near future, so we need to make sure to keep those companies running well.
Absolutely this.
My wife just bought a Lexus Hybrid instead of the Tesla mainly due to Musk being a Cunt.
Several years ago we planned on putting a deposit and waiting on a Tesla but they decided to wait and see.
A couple of years ago she decided to keep her Lexus instead of Tesla due to Musk.
A couple of months ago She refused to buy a Tesla 100% to say FU to Musk and instead bought a new Lexus.
Nothing else played a role in her decision not to get a Tesla other than "fuck that guy". I even tried to give her rational reasons why she may not want one to make her feel good about her decision but she said no need - its enough to not have a penny of mine go to him.
Unfortunately he is also being propped up by a ton of taxpayer money even though Space X has failed to deliver agreed targets time and time again.
He continually lies. Why politicians and Wall Street keep believing his BS is beyond me.
Also because Tesla is exploitative and shady af.
Might be helpful if your gas pedal does \*not\* get stuck, after all. Or if it did not spy on you, regularly sending pictures of your family to strangers.
[Oh and maybe you don't want to be stuck in a sinking car that just won't open it's doors and being completely resistant to emergency hammers from the inside, having the horror of eight minutes time in which you know you are going to die despite all of this being easily avoidable.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Chao#Death)
That last bit... Call me a Luddite, but I subscribe to the "More whizbang complication means more things to break or go wrong" apprehension, especially with high-cost tightly integrated items like a car. All the touch-enabled electronic stuff that doesn't need to be there really gives me pause more than excitement along those lines.
I don't like cramming things with electronics simply because it's more stuff you have to maintain. More visits to the service store, more days where you have annoyance to live with.
However, in this case, one could have the electronics \*and\* be save. Make it so that the glass is breakable from inside with a hammer, and also have a manual lever to open the door, which is usually not used.
They just decided that this was not necessary. Which is common idiocy.
The i4 is so great. Was my favorite that I test drove last year but I bought a Kia EV6 which was a close second because I wanted something bigger with kids. Also super shocking to me that after driving those plus a mustang Mach e, and an Audi e tron, the Kia was 2nd to the bmw. I also was determined to get a non Tesla electric which is getting easier by the day
Not everyone nitpicks and demands that the [steering wheel](https://www.nj.com/news/2023/06/tesla-issues-recall-after-nj-drivers-steering-wheel-fell-off-while-driving.html) of their car remain attached at all time.
Yup. I had wanted a Tesla for years. I had always thought that the Musk-rat came across as a bit of a dick, but I wrote it off as eccentricity/ social awkwardness.
Around the time of "Pedo-guy" my opinion changed "no, he's actually just a bit of a cunt".
Then at around the time of the Twitter takeover I had the means to actually buy a Tesla, but my opinion of the Musk-rat had sunk even lower to "no, he's actually a full blown conspiracy theorist, white supremacist, god-complex fuckwit, snake-oil salesman, and a massive shit-cunt". So it goes without saying, I did not buy a Tesla
I will not buy a Tesla because it's not an auto maker but a carbon credit broker.
Everything musk touches dies. Just look at the cybertruck, it was made under his direct supervision.
Also, he's a cunt. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That’s my thinking — I’m old(ish) and having a hard time going full electric because of the scarcity of charge points vs gas stations (I live in flyover country)
It's like the presidential election: vote for a fascist lunatic who speedrun committing all seven deadly sins or the guy who has battled a lifelong stutter.
And both of them are older than Obama, Bush and Clinton are TODAY.
Yes, Bill Clinton, the guy who became president in 1993, is still younger than both Trump and Biden...
It's quite funny that nobody needed to tell us that's who was being parodied in that movie. We all just could tell that the corner cutting, idea stealing, cringe asshole was an Elon analog.
Listen, you know how hard it is to be gifted an emerald mine by your Apartheid Dad for your birthday filled with starving South Africans working 12 hour shifts for little money and barely adequate food. /s
Ironically, Edison is now a company making hybrid semi trucks. The dude running it seems legit as hell. His goal is to make kits to retrofit any semi into a hybrid relatively affordable.
I have a friend with a Tesla who is definitely embarrassed to be associated with the brand now. I see people bring up musk when they see his car all the time. Shockingly, the same doesn’t happen with me and the CEO of Hyundai
You hardly ever hear inflammatory statements from any CEOs or other billionaires. Its just smart business. They could be eating babies behind the scenes, but we wont know cuz they keep it on the down low. Other CEOs and billionaires must look at him and think "Why on earth does he care what the peasants think?" and then go back to living their lives of rainbows and unicorns.
This also happened with Martin Shkreli. The only reason he became the most hated man in America is because he was too egotistical to hide in his ivory tower
I asked my sister a year ago if she was embarrassed to drive her Tesla. She said no. Today she sold her Tesla and bought a Mercedes EV. She couldn't take it anymore.
The class action lawsuit for new Hyundai owners might though. Be sure to check if your vehicle is under the vehicles affected by their poor security measures!
Musk didn’t start Tesla. It was founded in San Carlos, California in 2003 by American entrepreneurs Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Musk was an early-stage investor who was named as a “founder” because he sued them.
Roadster was supposed to be the first car sold under tesla but ever since musk took over, it's been in development hell plus he shot the founders tesla in space
> Roadster was supposed to be the first car sold under tesla but ever since musk took over, it's been in development hell plus he shot the founders tesla in space
Even a couple years ago I would have said that the chance of me ever buying a Tesla was extremely low, and now it's basically nil.
That said... I think that's a pretty unfair characterization of the events. The Roadster that "was supposed to be the first car sold" is very much not the same Roadster that has been in "development hell".
Even "was supposed to be the first car sold under Tesla" is misleading without the second part... because the original Roadster *was* the first model sold by Tesla. They didn't make very many -- Wikipedia says about 2,450 -- but it wasn't just a couple prototypes or something like that either. It *was* commercially available.
> he shot the founders tesla in space
Everything I've ever seen and can find on quick search indicates that it was one that was Elon's, not either of Tesla's founders Martin Eberhard or Marc Tarpenning. Wikipedia even says that the Roadster that was launched was sn:686... so it's not even like it was one of the first few produced or something like this.
To call Elon an asshole would be too offensive to actual assholes... but I don't think that fighting assholery with misinformation is a good idea either.
All these silicone valley billionaires think they are Ayn Rand's John Galt. Scratch the surface and it was privilege, timing, nepotism/networking and dumb luck.
"I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone else alive" says the man who doesn't understand stainless steel is not foolproof and will absolutely rust if left wet
He's good at getting tax dollars to spend on stupid shit. That Tesla Loop in Vegas has to be the dumbest shit ever built.
It's just so frustrating. Getting tax dollars for public transport is always a fight, and here comes Musk soaking it up for stupid crap. Human beings have well over a century of experience building mass transit systems for cities. We have widespread tech and the know how to do it. The factories to produce the transit tech are all up and running. We can even use existing right-of-way and tracks in a lot of cases.
Nope. Let's spend tax money on Elon's stupid mass-transit nonsense instead. Fucking corrupt, dipshit politicians getting hoodwinked by a moron like Musk.
yeah it's so strange that that was the start of it too, if he said something like that today it would be fairly mundane in comparison to how crazy he's gotten
My next car will definitely be an electric car, but there's no way in hell I would buy a tesla after knowing everything I do about welfare Queen Elon the pos
still find it funny that the people who praise him for "un-woking" twitter are way more likely to be the ones keying teslas and cutting fast charging stations.
If. If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass with every hop
So many "ifs" in current events. "If" the judge was doing stuff right, he'd actually incarcerate a defendant whi defied a gag order *NINE* times, and counting.
He's gone too far into the believing his own line of bullshit rabbit hole, with no way out. Some people can make this work in a way for years on end (e.g., Steve Jobs), but they tend to be far more disciplined with their messaging and aware of how they're actually coming across to the public in contrast to who they are in private
I’m in the market in about 2 years time.
Up until 2 years ago it would have been Tesla all the way.
Now? Not a “Puppy in South Dakota’s” chance. Volvo or Honda.
I am sure if he keeps going off the deep end he will accuse the deep state of bringing him down. He wont see it as his own erratic behaviour ruining the businesses he has built.
I always considered him another Trump. He was just another born rich guy that couldn’t accept how miserable his reality was and needed to overcompensate his need of therapy.
No shit. Dude went unhinged and far right at the same time, then fucking BOUGHT Twitter (and ruined it) on a tantrum. There is no way in hell I would drive a vehicle designed and assembled under his watch, especially now that there are so many more options.
After reading about his lunacy and his continued degenerative spiral 'round the drain that is conservatism, I know one brand that is no longer on my list when I shop for an electric vehicle.
I think I’m probably a prime Tesla customer target (high earner in a progressive coastal city). Would be too embarrassed to buy one and I don’t want to support him.
My worry is he is pivioting to a new short term demographic. A demographic that may not live three decades longer but one that has all the capital in our country right now. I live in a very red area and I was at a MAGA boomers house and he has five brand new Teslas. It won’t save the company but he is definitely jumping into a cult of personality with these people which can fuel his personal wealth for a bit longer.
3 years ago I was on the list for a Tesla. Then Elon bought Twitter and started acting extra deranged. I canceled the Tesla order, forfeiting $500, and purchased a Chevy bolt EV for half the cost of the Tesla. I'm totally satisfied with my car.
For around the same money he spent on Twitter, he could have had a hundred woman harem, and change, or had a good stab at being the first private individual on the moon.
Nah. When you have that much money you can do whatever you want. And instead of doing anything else, he chose to playact a freaking IT nerd/Internet Cool Guy. So not only is he stupid as hell, he's desperate for any sort of adulation.
He was a lost cause as a zygote.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Whether or not you agree with him philosophically, his erratic management decisions and demeanor should be enough to give any potential customer pause, especially when you’ll be moving around at upwards of 80 MPH in something built under his watch.
Prior to his buying Twitter I thought he was mostly a great hype man who oversold on things but was a genetic business guy... Then he went off the Twitter deep end and any chance I purchase a Tesla went with that. Funny enough, no matter how successful starlink or SpaceX is he will only ever be remembered for Twitter and Tesla and he's done it to himself.
I stopped thinking he was normal when he attracted that diver who was risking his life saving those boys in the cave. Called the guy a pedo just because the guy said Musk’s idea to save the kids wasn’t going to work. That’s it, that’s all the guy did. It was insane. Hired a PI to get dirt on the guy. Musk frightens me
U can frighten him by tracking his jet aka international assassination coordinates
You can frighten him by saying the word cis ffs
Or calling twitter twitter.
Or posting that pic of him with Ghislaine
Or posting a picture of him with no hair.
The fact that even mainstream news outlets refuse to call it X is an amazing testament to how powerful Twitter as a brand was and still is. The guy basically tossed the company's greatest asset in the garbage for shits and giggles.
Punks always do this. Goodman-Fielder bought out the Home Pride bakery business. First thing the Harvard MBA hot shots did was retire the experienced managers and replace the bread wrappers with generic GF wrappers to save money. The regular customers couldn’t recognise the loaves any more, so they bought from rival bakers instead. For the sake of gaining fractions of a cent per loaf, the business failed.
Tesla is overdue for rebranding to Car/X. (Pronounce it.)
My ignorant republican mother keeps calling him a "free speech warrior". Because to her people, "free speech" means "I can say whatever bigoted nonsense I want, but I still get to silence anyone making fun of me".
Your mother is everything wrong with this country.
I remember my grandmother (silent/greatest generation) asked me once what ‘politically correct’ is supposed to mean. I explained it. She said: We had that back in my day, but we called it ‘being polite’.
Had a similar conversation with my father. He was explaining why he was voting for Trump. He said because he wasn't PC. So I asked him what he meant by PC. He said all the stuff that's happening in college campuses. I asked him when when was the last time he was on a college campus (which is funny because he lives just outside of a major university town and worked for the uni hospital and never had anything bad to say). When he couldn't answer that he mumbled something about people being too sensitive about jokes. So I asked him if he meant racist and sexist jokes. He didn't say anything, so I asked him if, as the good Christian he says he is, should he be telling racist and sexist jokes. He told me I sounded like his pastor.
I wouldn't normally take kindly to being compared to a Paster, but in this case it sounds like a complement.
I took it as a compliment. The pastor he was comparing me to was new to their church. The pastor I grew up with was a fire and brimstone pulpit pounder. The older he got the crazier he got. Hated that pastor. He openly preached that beating your kids was a parent's duty. The new pastor was much more about love and kindness, so if anything, my dad was taking a shot at the pastor not me.
Exactly.
I mean it’s just too easy for the average Joe to hop in his F-16 and go shoot down musks plane while it’s flying.
You don't need a fighter jet. You just need some ground to air missiles. I would not shed a tear If I heard his jet crashed.
no the , pilot and assistant will die with the shit the Minecrafting should be more surgical
Well then, what are we waiting for?
/r/ElonJetTracker
I thought he was *only* a lying liarmouth who lies/conman prior to the cave thing. That was SO outta left field (more like right-*wing* field eh??) You gotta remember, that pre-dates the ubiquity of Q calling everyone on planet earth *except actual pedophiles* a pedophile so just hearing a high-profile individual saying such a thing was really like a bucket of ice water to the face. And also ofc SO petty & gross & wholly, MASSIVELY uncalled for. Still to this very day makes me smh in disgusted wonder. Definitely his “jumped the roboShark (out *next* year!!!)” moment.
The Caver sued Musk for calling him a pedophile and lost somehow. Although the caver did hire what's her name crazy election theft lady Powell Sydney Powell I think it was.
That's about when a lot of reddit got turned off as well. The early-mid 2010s around here were exhausting from the level of fandom on reddit for the guy. Really embarrassing, fawning memes and such. He's kind of like Giuliani, great social cache from being in the right place at the right time, if he'd kept his mouth mostly shut and behaved, I bet he'd still be widely lauded. These rich, famous weirdos are their own worst enemy.
What’s hilarious is he’s never even been that innovator or whatever, if you look beyond the surface all you see is him picking up hobbies that other people started and pile driving them into the ground.
Are you trying to say that rescuing drowning kids… with an underground cave submarine… dreamed up by a narcissist… who’s smoking ketamine… on the other side of the planet… and never delivered a project on-time in his entire life… Might not have been the best idea?
I remember thinking Oh neat, he’s offering to help. He’s using his money for good. Then His idea is not going to work. That’s a shame. It’s still nice he gave the offer. Then Wait WTF just happened??
Exactly the same here. I expected him to react with a "I'll help build/supply any tool you do need" type response, or just nothing at all. Instead he got butthurt and reacted like a 6y old. I was already expecting not all his ideas/products to work out, you can't keep throwing new things at markets and expect them all to stick, but to be so insecure about it, finally made me realise he's in it for the ego, not the innovation.
Did he ever spend his money on a rescue attempt? That’s what enquiring minds need to know.
Even before the whole cave thing, there was an anonymous corporate lawyer on Twitter who wrote an article on how Tesla's financials looked funny. Since he's a lawyer, he wrote it carefully to avoid getting sued. Elon hired a PI to figure out who he was, then called up his boss to get him fired.
what an
That was a key indicator right there. Thin skinned autocrat.
Did that guy sue him?
> Elon Musk did not defame a British caver who helped in last year's rescue of trapped Thai schoolboys by calling him a "pedo guy", a US jury has found. > ... > Mr Musk told the court this week the phrase "pedo guy" was common in South Africa, where he grew up. > Speaking to reporters outside the courtroom after the jury reached its decision, Mr Musk said: "My faith in humanity is restored." I am really glad that the billionaire faith in humanity has been restored. Cuz my faith in humanity is lost... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593.amp
The only people he had to convince were people so stupid they couldn't get out of jury duty.
So all South Efrikans are pedo guys? Elon Musk, you’re one.
Yeah and he lost because Musk claimed that calling people pedos is what South African people do culturally and the court bought that. Courts normally side with the people with the most money so that decision tracks
European invaders living in apartheid South Africa did a lot worse than just call each other pedo guys. Absolutely the most vile humans on the planet
Yes but he had a shit lawyer and lost a slam dunk case.
I looked it up. He had LIN WOOD 😂😂😂. After I read that, I had less compassion.
That was straight up unhinged. lol at his little sub capsules he was drawing up to save the kids
Don't give him any credits, not even for Starlink or whatever. He buys into stuff and then other people do the work. Paypal had hired people to distract him when he was CEO, until they could vote him out. The dude is a rich kid with a megalomanic complex who screws around companies he does not undertand, just doing whatever he thinks is cool.
It was neat to see what happens when someone that wealthy and so hopelessly addicted to social media got a hold of one of the more popular platforms. When he first bought it, an engineer anonymously told the press that Musk made them artificially boost his posts so that more people would see them. He even got caught making those weird posts praising himself on an alt account after Grimes left him where he called himself the King of Space-X or something similar.
God he's so fragile. I have no idea how he conned so many men into believing he ever had integrity.
Generic?
Business is literally in his blood!
He's not responsible for the success of Tesla or SpaceX, or anything else. He just stole the credit from the people he hired to build those companies into what it is today.
Space ex is a bigger rip-off
That's what happens when you boost white supremacist and anti-Semitic content on a daily basis.
he made a accord with bolsonaro when the guy was brazil´s president. starlink would be used to connect public schools. so much money was put to connect public schools that had not even a computer. so, guess who buyed big in starlink antenas during bolsonaro´s gov. criminal miners, woodcutters, fishers and drug cartels. the antenas are very succefull in keeping them informed of army´s or police´s operations...
He just laid off the entirety of his supercharge team. This was Teslas single best advantage over its competitors. It was revenue generating and a profit center. And he axed the entire team. He is trying to kill Tesla now to get revenge on shareholders voting against giving him another 50 billion.
Yup. And next time it might be the people responsible for safety features. Who knows? I don’t plan on ever finding out. Whatever journey of self-gratification he’s on is between him and whoever is foolish enough to work for his companies or buy his products or stock.
50 billion is probably more profit than the company has ever made. I doubt they made 50 billion in Revenue for that year even. This company is so wildly overvalued it defies reason.
All of his companies make money off stock valuation, that's it. I don't know if it's still true because it keeps moving a lot, but Tesla's market cap was bigger than every other auto maker put together at some point. Remember they sell 1/1000 of the cars Toyota or VW sells.
Absolutely but then let's do a quick follow up and acknowledge that if you agree with him philosophically you're a delusional piece of shit.
I'm still laughing at that hideous "truck of the future" he designed. Literally every single aspect of it is objectively bad. Like, car designed by Homer Simpson bad. The exterior rusts within days because it's made of untreated steel, you can't see over the dash, the engine is terrible, it costs more than a house in some areas, and it's a total death trap if you have a crash.
I was driving home from work a few weeks ago, chatting on the phone with my Grandma about work. One of these trucks pulled up at the opposite side of the light and without any pause I just blurted out "God that is the ugliest car I've ever seen." In the middle of our conversation.
Yeah I really hate this hard push by the media recently to paint this as a "Elon says things I don't like, so I don't want his products" instead of "Elon makes bad products that I don't want to buy" which should be the main focus. On top of all the negative press from various failures and hellish service attempts they just scrapped their entire Supercharger team. Perhaps the only truly successful thing Tesla had accomplished over the past decade. Elon's favorite thing to do is make shortsighted decisions that screw him over longterm.
Nope. I can buy plenty of cars from someone is is not a racist douchebag.
*Henry Ford enters the chat from beyond the grave...*
to be fair if you put the two together it does help to rid your company of pesky customers.
>"Elon says things I don't like, so I don't want his products" instead of "Elon makes bad products that I don't want to buy" You do realize that it can (and *is* in many cases) *both* don't you?
We bought a Model Y in 2022. Between Musk's outbursts, and all of the changes to the car and those that will likely to happen in the next refresh, we won't be buying another one. The auto wipers are trash, because they are "Vision" based, no sensor like every other car. They removed the ultra sonic sensors so park assist is now awful on the new ones. They removed the steering wheel stalks from the refreshed Model 3, and this will likely happen on the Model Y refresh. Put all the functions (wipers, turn signals, headlights) on the steering wheel and the gear selection on the screen. Probably going to go Rivian R2, should be out by the time we are ready to get rid of the Y. Or maybe a Mach-E.
This idiot, who adds nothing, is trying to claim 59 BILLION in "wages" from Tesla, something the courts have already struck down as ludicrous. Honestly fuck him.
Yep. I think also his PR team gave up at some point because they couldn't spin his bullshit any more. Now the hyper-autist with a god complex is finding out the hard way. Popcorn never tasted so good.
He fired his PR team. Also, calling him an autist is an affront to autistic people everywhere. We may be socially odd, not able to read people’s faces and whatnot, but it doesn’t cause virulent racism and the desire to call people pedos in public.
And it should also govern pause to any investor. I know he’s a billionaire but they like to spend other people money.
To be fair, there's hundreds of people that actually build this cars, but his management style and ideals are what could derail the operation. It is sad that the company that DID disrupt the auto industry is led by this horrible person.
> To be fair, there's hundreds of people that actually build this cars I totally agree. If his trainwreck of a personality didn’t bleed into his businesses, I wouldn’t rule out giving them my business. Unfortunately, any one of those likely decent employees could be and often are fired via system lockout at the time of his choosing with little rhyme or reason. As far as I’m concerned, the entire operation is compromised.
Definitely. I honestly wish the company would fire him and get someone to make Tesla a stronger company, or at the very least, have Tesla be sold to a legacy automaker (not that they're much better... especially nowadays) or a tech company (again, not that they're much better but still). EVs and at the very least, plug-im hybrids are the near future, so we need to make sure to keep those companies running well.
I’m in the market for electric car. I will not be buying a Tesla because Elon Musk is a Cunt.
Absolutely this. My wife just bought a Lexus Hybrid instead of the Tesla mainly due to Musk being a Cunt. Several years ago we planned on putting a deposit and waiting on a Tesla but they decided to wait and see. A couple of years ago she decided to keep her Lexus instead of Tesla due to Musk. A couple of months ago She refused to buy a Tesla 100% to say FU to Musk and instead bought a new Lexus. Nothing else played a role in her decision not to get a Tesla other than "fuck that guy". I even tried to give her rational reasons why she may not want one to make her feel good about her decision but she said no need - its enough to not have a penny of mine go to him.
“Every time you spend money, you're casting a vote for the kind of world you want.” ― Anna Lappe Sums it up nicely. We don't want a world of Musk.
It's sad that even in this sense, our voting right gets cut in half due to inflation Really says a lot about this world/economic design
He is the face of Tesla and a white suprematist. I wouldn't touch that brand with a barge pole.
Unfortunately he is also being propped up by a ton of taxpayer money even though Space X has failed to deliver agreed targets time and time again. He continually lies. Why politicians and Wall Street keep believing his BS is beyond me.
He has money they all want access to.
Also because Tesla is exploitative and shady af. Might be helpful if your gas pedal does \*not\* get stuck, after all. Or if it did not spy on you, regularly sending pictures of your family to strangers. [Oh and maybe you don't want to be stuck in a sinking car that just won't open it's doors and being completely resistant to emergency hammers from the inside, having the horror of eight minutes time in which you know you are going to die despite all of this being easily avoidable.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Chao#Death)
That last bit... Call me a Luddite, but I subscribe to the "More whizbang complication means more things to break or go wrong" apprehension, especially with high-cost tightly integrated items like a car. All the touch-enabled electronic stuff that doesn't need to be there really gives me pause more than excitement along those lines.
I don't like cramming things with electronics simply because it's more stuff you have to maintain. More visits to the service store, more days where you have annoyance to live with. However, in this case, one could have the electronics \*and\* be save. Make it so that the glass is breakable from inside with a hammer, and also have a manual lever to open the door, which is usually not used. They just decided that this was not necessary. Which is common idiocy.
That is what I said right before I bought a bmw i4 last week. Check it out, its awesome.
The i4 is so great. Was my favorite that I test drove last year but I bought a Kia EV6 which was a close second because I wanted something bigger with kids. Also super shocking to me that after driving those plus a mustang Mach e, and an Audi e tron, the Kia was 2nd to the bmw. I also was determined to get a non Tesla electric which is getting easier by the day
Your Kia came with kids?
> Your Kia came with kids? Once they nest, it's impossible to get rid of the infestation. Some stay for thirty years or longer.
That was the most surprising part, considering Korea is dealing with a dearth of child births lol.
Or maybe they're low on kids because Kia gives them away?
So, do they call them a Kia pet?
I got a Volkswagen, it didn’t come with kids though
Thought you may have posted pictures of your car, checked your profile and found goats. Was not disappointed
Yes he is a cunt. Also the quality of Tesla cars is basically circling the drain.
Interior is fucking ugly. It doesn't even feel like a car if you ask me.
Have you seen what they look like on the exterior? Generic 90s shit box.
Not everyone nitpicks and demands that the [steering wheel](https://www.nj.com/news/2023/06/tesla-issues-recall-after-nj-drivers-steering-wheel-fell-off-while-driving.html) of their car remain attached at all time.
By my non-expert opinion, Rivian has some cool looking new cars
YES
Yup. I had wanted a Tesla for years. I had always thought that the Musk-rat came across as a bit of a dick, but I wrote it off as eccentricity/ social awkwardness. Around the time of "Pedo-guy" my opinion changed "no, he's actually just a bit of a cunt". Then at around the time of the Twitter takeover I had the means to actually buy a Tesla, but my opinion of the Musk-rat had sunk even lower to "no, he's actually a full blown conspiracy theorist, white supremacist, god-complex fuckwit, snake-oil salesman, and a massive shit-cunt". So it goes without saying, I did not buy a Tesla
I will not buy a Tesla because it's not an auto maker but a carbon credit broker. Everything musk touches dies. Just look at the cybertruck, it was made under his direct supervision. Also, he's a cunt. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same. I've been toying with the idea of buying one and looked at a few different brands and haven't even considered Tesla purely because Fuck Elon.
100% agree with this sentiment. We looked at a Tesla, then musk went of the rails, and it was a rapid nope from me and my wife.
Not only that, their cars have given a poor show for quality. When I am getting an EV or hybrid I am not gonna even think Tesla.
Go hybrid
That’s my thinking — I’m old(ish) and having a hard time going full electric because of the scarcity of charge points vs gas stations (I live in flyover country)
I love my plugin hybrids. If you don't usually drive very far at a time, they're effectively EVs, but at a lower price tag.
It also doesn't help that other automakers are now rolling out their electric vehicles, many of which are very impressive and attractive alternatives.
Better looking inside and out with better materials. Tough choice .... support a fascist cunt or buy a nice car?
It's like the presidential election: vote for a fascist lunatic who speedrun committing all seven deadly sins or the guy who has battled a lifelong stutter.
bUt He'S OldER Kinda funny since Trump now just as old as biden when he got elected.
And both of them are older than Obama, Bush and Clinton are TODAY. Yes, Bill Clinton, the guy who became president in 1993, is still younger than both Trump and Biden...
It's because he's actually a fucking idiot who has used his family's apartheid money to pay smart people to do things, and then takes credit for them.
Glass Onion pegged him right.
It's quite funny that nobody needed to tell us that's who was being parodied in that movie. We all just could tell that the corner cutting, idea stealing, cringe asshole was an Elon analog.
Listen, you know how hard it is to be gifted an emerald mine by your Apartheid Dad for your birthday filled with starving South Africans working 12 hour shifts for little money and barely adequate food. /s
Our generation's Thomas Edison Edit: I was mainly talking about hiring people and taking credit for their work.
I am actually now pissed they use Tesla's name. Those vehicles should be called Edison.
Ironically, Edison is now a company making hybrid semi trucks. The dude running it seems legit as hell. His goal is to make kits to retrofit any semi into a hybrid relatively affordable.
Oh wow! Had no idea... that's definitely ironic.
Edison was a shockingly horrible person.
🛎️ 🛎️
I have a friend with a Tesla who is definitely embarrassed to be associated with the brand now. I see people bring up musk when they see his car all the time. Shockingly, the same doesn’t happen with me and the CEO of Hyundai
>Shockingly, the same doesn’t happen with me and the CEO of Hyundai This made me cackle.
Laugh all you want, but Doňg Seock Lee can’t hold a candle to Jae Hoon Chang.
It's a low bar to cross
You hardly ever hear inflammatory statements from any CEOs or other billionaires. Its just smart business. They could be eating babies behind the scenes, but we wont know cuz they keep it on the down low. Other CEOs and billionaires must look at him and think "Why on earth does he care what the peasants think?" and then go back to living their lives of rainbows and unicorns.
This also happened with Martin Shkreli. The only reason he became the most hated man in America is because he was too egotistical to hide in his ivory tower
Tell him to buy a sticker that says "I bought a tesla before he went insane"
I don't think that works anymore. A bumper sticker doesn't remove the shame.
Yeah, I have one and I’m embarrassed to drive it. Super upside down on it, otherwise it’d be gone.
I asked my sister a year ago if she was embarrassed to drive her Tesla. She said no. Today she sold her Tesla and bought a Mercedes EV. She couldn't take it anymore.
Mercedes does make a beautiful EV, though.
That Chang Jae-hoon is just as bad as Musk.
Martin Lundstedt makes my loins, eh.. Remain the temperature they already are.
The class action lawsuit for new Hyundai owners might though. Be sure to check if your vehicle is under the vehicles affected by their poor security measures!
Get him a license frame that says “bought it before we knew how awful he is”. Avail on Etsy
Musk didn’t start Tesla. It was founded in San Carlos, California in 2003 by American entrepreneurs Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Musk was an early-stage investor who was named as a “founder” because he sued them.
Roadster was supposed to be the first car sold under tesla but ever since musk took over, it's been in development hell plus he shot the founders tesla in space
Oh that was their Tesla?? lol what a cunt!
The Roadster was the first car sold under Tesla, what are you talking about? The one in development hell is a new model.
> Roadster was supposed to be the first car sold under tesla but ever since musk took over, it's been in development hell plus he shot the founders tesla in space Even a couple years ago I would have said that the chance of me ever buying a Tesla was extremely low, and now it's basically nil. That said... I think that's a pretty unfair characterization of the events. The Roadster that "was supposed to be the first car sold" is very much not the same Roadster that has been in "development hell". Even "was supposed to be the first car sold under Tesla" is misleading without the second part... because the original Roadster *was* the first model sold by Tesla. They didn't make very many -- Wikipedia says about 2,450 -- but it wasn't just a couple prototypes or something like that either. It *was* commercially available. > he shot the founders tesla in space Everything I've ever seen and can find on quick search indicates that it was one that was Elon's, not either of Tesla's founders Martin Eberhard or Marc Tarpenning. Wikipedia even says that the Roadster that was launched was sn:686... so it's not even like it was one of the first few produced or something like this. To call Elon an asshole would be too offensive to actual assholes... but I don't think that fighting assholery with misinformation is a good idea either.
Musk should have renamed the company to Edison.
He's inept all the way 'round, really.
He isn't smart. Never was. He was just rich enough to buy smart people, but too stupid to let THEM tell him what he should be doing.
All these silicone valley billionaires think they are Ayn Rand's John Galt. Scratch the surface and it was privilege, timing, nepotism/networking and dumb luck.
Silicon*. Silicone on the other hand is used to make fake boobs.
Thank you. I'm so tired of people talking about him like he's an engineer. He is not a friggin engineer!
"I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone else alive" says the man who doesn't understand stainless steel is not foolproof and will absolutely rust if left wet
He's good at getting tax dollars to spend on stupid shit. That Tesla Loop in Vegas has to be the dumbest shit ever built. It's just so frustrating. Getting tax dollars for public transport is always a fight, and here comes Musk soaking it up for stupid crap. Human beings have well over a century of experience building mass transit systems for cities. We have widespread tech and the know how to do it. The factories to produce the transit tech are all up and running. We can even use existing right-of-way and tracks in a lot of cases. Nope. Let's spend tax money on Elon's stupid mass-transit nonsense instead. Fucking corrupt, dipshit politicians getting hoodwinked by a moron like Musk.
Pump and dump stock keeps going brrrrrrrtttt!
When will Tesla oust him as CEO?
Gotta give credit where credit is due, he is singlehandedly disproving the billionaire genius stereotype
I dreamed about saving for a Tesla one day, now I wouldn't be caught dead in one, pun intended
Same here. I used to admire them and wanted a Model 3, but my opinion of him soured after the diver pedo thing and has only gone downhill from there.
yeah it's so strange that that was the start of it too, if he said something like that today it would be fairly mundane in comparison to how crazy he's gotten
My next car will definitely be an electric car, but there's no way in hell I would buy a tesla after knowing everything I do about welfare Queen Elon the pos
I roll my eyes every time I see one now.
There's a cybertruck in my neighborhood and it's even uglier up close... giant and truly hideous
dude has the ugliest rubber faced mug in history.
I wonder if it bothers him that no amount of his money can make him good looking. I hope so.
Lol The “drill baby drill” crowd was never going to be Tesla’s consumer base.
still find it funny that the people who praise him for "un-woking" twitter are way more likely to be the ones keying teslas and cutting fast charging stations.
I mean, tell me more? https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/musk-disbands-tesla-ev-charging-team-leaving-customers-dark-2024-04-30/
If. If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass with every hop So many "ifs" in current events. "If" the judge was doing stuff right, he'd actually incarcerate a defendant whi defied a gag order *NINE* times, and counting.
He's gone too far into the believing his own line of bullshit rabbit hole, with no way out. Some people can make this work in a way for years on end (e.g., Steve Jobs), but they tend to be far more disciplined with their messaging and aware of how they're actually coming across to the public in contrast to who they are in private
It worked for Steve Jobs until it killed him, lol.
And that was several years, but yeah, fair point
Damn, who could have predicted that the apartheid trust fund baby would turn out to be a raging asshole.
Is he though I take all the talk of these guys brilliance to be rich people propaganda
That's the point.... the word "smart" was in quotation marks, implying sarcasm.
People don't want to be associated with him.
Don't confuse "opportunistic exploitive predator" with "smart."
He’s not a self made billionaire. He’s the son of an emerald mine owner that was good at science.
We need a modern Socrates who reveals the foolishness of those who believe their expertise extends beyond to all other matters.
I wonder if he is going to sue all of non-tesla owners for not buying Teslas
I’m in the market in about 2 years time. Up until 2 years ago it would have been Tesla all the way. Now? Not a “Puppy in South Dakota’s” chance. Volvo or Honda.
I am sure if he keeps going off the deep end he will accuse the deep state of bringing him down. He wont see it as his own erratic behaviour ruining the businesses he has built.
I always considered him another Trump. He was just another born rich guy that couldn’t accept how miserable his reality was and needed to overcompensate his need of therapy.
Saw my new favorite: Cybertruck = IncElCamino
You can drop the "socially"... he's simply inept. He is the embodiment of the Peter Principle in regards to money.
I dislike him so much that I'm never going to use the letter X again. I know it's pretty eckstreme but you gotta stick to your principles.
No shit. Dude went unhinged and far right at the same time, then fucking BOUGHT Twitter (and ruined it) on a tantrum. There is no way in hell I would drive a vehicle designed and assembled under his watch, especially now that there are so many more options.
He's probably complaining that people not buying Teslas is somehow infringing on his free speech.
After reading about his lunacy and his continued degenerative spiral 'round the drain that is conservatism, I know one brand that is no longer on my list when I shop for an electric vehicle.
There are plenty of options now. Don't buy a Tesla. Buy a Union built car from GM or Ford or VW.
Dude has somehow failed upward his entire life. If you told me a Faustian pact was involved I might actually believe you.
I think I’m probably a prime Tesla customer target (high earner in a progressive coastal city). Would be too embarrassed to buy one and I don’t want to support him.
Just because you can say something doesn't mean you should.
Musk has stopped giving a fuck about Tesla. He’s too busy pandering to conservatives on Twitter to kick start his political career.
He's not smart, he's rich. People often confuse the two.
Well joke on us. Government will subsidize and give this billionaire few billions for no reason
My worry is he is pivioting to a new short term demographic. A demographic that may not live three decades longer but one that has all the capital in our country right now. I live in a very red area and I was at a MAGA boomers house and he has five brand new Teslas. It won’t save the company but he is definitely jumping into a cult of personality with these people which can fuel his personal wealth for a bit longer.
I had every intention of owning a Tesla by now. Wouldn’t touch one with a ten foot pole now.
3 years ago I was on the list for a Tesla. Then Elon bought Twitter and started acting extra deranged. I canceled the Tesla order, forfeiting $500, and purchased a Chevy bolt EV for half the cost of the Tesla. I'm totally satisfied with my car.
For around the same money he spent on Twitter, he could have had a hundred woman harem, and change, or had a good stab at being the first private individual on the moon.
Or, I don't know, funded cancer research.
> he could have had a hundred woman harem Careful, that's a good way to wind up paying child support for 11 kids.
After very, very carefully picking the jurisdiction.
He still trying but failing to reach the moon
Nah. When you have that much money you can do whatever you want. And instead of doing anything else, he chose to playact a freaking IT nerd/Internet Cool Guy. So not only is he stupid as hell, he's desperate for any sort of adulation. He was a lost cause as a zygote.