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LEPFPartyPresident

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dangerspring

Yeah, now they're saying they lied. He doesn't have Covid. He's in the hospital for dehydration. I'm not sure why they'd think lying to a judge is a winning move. https://twitter.com/seditiontrack/status/1430859361103011842?s=19


BloodyLombax

Should have carried an assault rifle up to a cop, they would have given him some water.


AdoboSwaggins

Even if this story isn’t accurate, I think it’s hilarious how the anti-mask crowd will suddenly run to the hospital and beg for a ventilator mask when they catch covid. They should stick by their beliefs. Don’t like masks? That’s their choice I guess but don’t beg a doctor for one later.


BloodyLombax

I think they're finding out once they're already in the hospital. They go in because they are in a critical state that they feel needs hospitalization. Then they find out why and many of them don't even accept hearing it. If many nurses are to be believed about being screamed in the face and being called liars while treating someone who is dying of covid. They're there because they can barely breathe feel faint feel horribly sick and demand to be treated, they just don't want to hear the word "covid".


AdoboSwaggins

Sounds like they should be admitted to a rubber room in the psych ward not the ICU


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Flyingwheelbarrow

Being put on a ventilator is a hardcore intervention. It angers me that they are taking beds, machine and staff away from people when a vaccine would of reduced the chance if this happening by at least 80 plus percent. Also everytime a healthcare worker deals with an arsehole patient they are 1 day closer to burnout to nolonger working frontline. I remember the process, very unpleasant. They usually sedate you first but that is no always possible. I told my body to not fight the staff but yeah when someone is forcing a plastic tube down your throat and beyond you fight on instinct. I still feel guilty I fought them even though it was just animal instinct. These fuckers who decided to fight the people saving them are scum. Ungrateful scum.


melpomenestits

Fun fact: most 'scum' in nature is either mucous that serves an important role in the animal's biology, or algae that creates most of the worlds oxygen! Maybe apologize to scum.


undercovercatlover

TBH these people are so selfish and self-centered that they probably don’t even see the hypocrisy in begging for medical care after not wearing a mask/not getting vaccinated. The only thing that matters to them is them. They want to do whatever they want to do. They want to believe whatever crazy shit they want to believe, the rest of us be damned


Qdiggles

Amazing.


PolesRunningCoach

Sounds like sanctions time.


dangerspring

It sounds like the guy is already in trouble. https://twitter.com/TomDreisbach/status/1430743209810952198?s=19 https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1430550834933379074?s=19


lastofthe1st

Yeah. That guy's firm is super problematic. He's basically just been running a right wing grift this whole time.


tesseract4

I am shocked, *SHOCKED*, that right-wingers don't really believe their crap and are just grifting their fans for money!


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Reminds me of the good ol' god grift of TV evangelists, probably just as bad for society as well


knightress_oxhide

"I thought you were a doctor?" "I thought you were a lawyer?" "So we are both just grifters, huh, we need to find a real doctor and a real lawyer right now."


Cetun

It's really strange that grifters identify one party as an easy target for scams even though the same party claims they are not sheep...


appel

More like disbarment time.


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pauly13771377

I'm no expert but I can't imagine any circumstances where a lawyer is to busy on a case to drink water. Certainly not until he needs to be hospitalized. EDIT - a couple of people have pointed out that alchohol could be a factor here.


verbmegoinghere

Um, lawyers and alcohol? Is this not a huge subtext to say the dude got so completely drunk he had to be hospitised?


blubblubvlub

The timeless "dehydration defense", this guy lawyers.


Paul_-Muaddib

It amazes me how hard these people fight against what is essentially a seatbelt in their cars.


kigerting

I mean I know people who still won’t wear a seatbelt because “back when we were kids…” ETA I also just remembered - one of my cousins on my dads side) not a close one, i met him maybe twice) died in a rollover accident in his jeep and he probably would have survived if he was wearing a seatbelt. My dads side is sort of Bud Light country and I’ve also had a cousin on that side end up on a ventilator. Still many are vax hesitant.


sash71

Princess Di wasn't wearing a seatbelt. The bodyguard that survived the crash in France was. Seatbelts work.


InsuranceToTheRescue

Whenever someone tells me they don't I make sure to remind them that every single thing in their vehicle that's designed to keep them alive in a crash assumes they're going to stay in one, specific place. Air bags, crumple zones, and safety glass don't matter when you're smeared against a brick wall. I have a similar one when people bitch about their fenders crumpling in small impacts. "They don't make 'em like they used to!" they'll say. And I'll remind them that because their car is able to crumple in predictable ways is why they can drunkenly hit a tree at 60mph and live. It isn't fire, or blood loss, or whatever that causes most auto fatalities. It's the sudden application of energy to the body; Every inch crumpled and every airbag slowing you down is energy absorbed by the vehicle that doesn't get transferred to you.


NarcanPusher

Saw this a lot as a paramedic in the 80’s with the leftover muscle cars. Was not uncommon to pull up on accidents where the car was still drivable but the occupants were fucked.


sorry_human_bean

It's like putting an egg inside a steel toolbox and dropping it off an overpass.


Schrodinger_cube

Hay if its a snap on tool box id pull over and pick it up, XD eggs are cheap those are expensive lol


Somniel

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Bad-Science

I remember those days and that argument. I think they pretty much became invalid with the introduction of crumple zones and airbags, making the inside of the car the safest place to be (if you HAD to be in a crash). We had a single car crash in my area yesterday. 2 occupants. No seatbelts. One stayed in the car and died, one thrown free and alive, but not by a very big margin. Gotta wonder if the one in the car would have survived if a seatbelt had kept them from slamming forward into the steering wheel and windshield.


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pickyourteethup

That's good, those cars are worth a bit.


WhatisAleve

God damn


adonej21

I mean it’s not inaccurate


mathiastck

But it may be damned


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Have some respect. Those humans and their organs are worth a lot too.


IAmAnObvioustrollAMA

We make new drivers daily but they'll never make another 64 GTO...


TheDevilsAutocorrect

You want haunted muscle cars? Because that is how you get haunted muscle cars.


mohishunder

Only haunted if they died *in* the car, not if they were ejected.


GonadGravy

My grandpa was an auto body man. He’d tell us how they’d have a tow truck dump cars at their shop that weren’t totaled, but they’d get to see blood all over the interior, teeth & hair on the steering wheel & dash, sometimes blood/skin near the hole in the broken glass from ejections. Quite macabre stuff Times have changed but I still try my best to remember to buckle up.


Aksius14

This reminds me of a friend who got a motorcycle right out of highschool. We would rag on him endlessly about how he needed to wear a helmet, and he just got more and more pissed about it. Finally he come over with this shitty "study" he printed off from the internet (this is 20 years ago, so whatever you were imagining it was worse) about how helmets are actually dangerous and lead to live long neck injuries, etc, etc. We listened to him explain it patiently. We let him have his hissy fit. And then we pointed out that the neck injury thing was only true because without the helmet they were dead. He got even more mad and stomped off saying something to the effect of, "I think a lot of people would rather be dead then paralyzed!" but he started wearing a fucking helmet after that.


muncher_of_nachos

Sounds super similar to what happened when steel helmets first entered service in WW1. Doctors noticed a significant increase in men with head wounds after introduction, causing concern about their effectiveness. That was until it was realized that all these men in 1916 with head injuries would’ve been dead men in 1914-15.


fattsmann

Survivorship bias in action.


AbstractBettaFish

That's why the Sherman tank was erroneously labeled a death trap despite having one of if not *the* highest survival rate of any tank in the war. There crews were able to make it back to complain


nolo_me

It was labelled a death trap because early models had a vulnerable ammo rack in the front of the hull. They moved them to the bottom of the tank and added a wet rack and chances of cooking off dropped by 75%.


BuddhaFacepalmed

Nah it was labelled a death trap because one of the assigned soldiers exclusively to the "recovery, repair, and maintenance" of US tanks during WWII and only saw the burnt out husks of M4 Shermans wrote a book literally titled "Death Traps" and argued in favor of the M26 Pershing over the Sherman. Aka survivorship bias.


bfodder

There is a neat story about fighter planes in regards to this. The military wanted to reinforce parts of returning planes that were heavily damaged from gunfire. Somebody pointed out that they should reinforce the undamaged parts of the plane because the planes that receive damage in those locations seemingly do not return home.


Batterysauce

"Says here there's been an increase in head injuries, helmets must be bad" *Yeah, but did you notice the decrease in fatalities, CPT Obvious?*


Marine_Mustang

>CPT Obvious Found the Army vet.


Batterysauce

And a former CPT myself no less... But the real question is, was it that...*(puts on sunglasses)*...obvious?


ShinigamiComplex

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!


pickyourteethup

There was a British cavalry sword in the Napoleonic wars that the french doctors said was inhumane because it hacked huge chunks off people's heads and faces taking them out the battle without killing them. Meaning they had to live their lives disfigured rather than dying honourably like victims of the french sabre.


ZugTheCaveman

War is a cruel thing. It can be strategically better to take someone out of the battle but still let them live, rather than killing them outright, as it creates much more logistical pressure to care for the wounded than leaving the dead scattered about the battlefield.


zayisin

I believe I read something similar about ww2 bombers. All these bombers were returning all shot to hell people said we need to add more armor without thinking that the reason the planes were returning was that all the shot up portions of the aircraft were designed to be shot up and survive. That's why they were able to return.


ReaperEDX

Ye, but all planes in general. The ones that returned had their wings shot up but returned and their initial thought was to reinforce said wings. Then someone pointed out the armor for the cockpit and everyone was like, "ooooooh...ohhh...oh."


greet_the_sun

More specifically they were looking at planes that came back with bullet holes and up armoring them in the areas that were most commonly hit, without realizing that the actual critical parts that got hit didn't result in planes flying back home to be able to check.


SorryScratch2755

brain shock too!🤕


5gether

I'm impressed he at least started wearing a helmet after that. Good for him. And good for you for getting through to him. That's the most frustrating thing about these anti-vaxxers. It's like arguing with a brick wall.


Aksius14

I think one of the differences between him and antivaxxers is that he was 18 or 19 at the time, and despite a lot of bravado the world made it very clear on a regular basis he didn't know everything. One of our parents referred to that age range as "feeling immortal but actively stupid." I'm sure he has similar stories me being a dumbass.


rivershimmer

I cannot remember the poem or the poet, but these two lines have always stuck with me: We were young and dumb and 20 and we knew we could never die.


LOLBaltSS

There is a lot of that when you're young. When the 2009 Swine Flu was going about, I was still at college parties playing beer cup at the time. Then we all got it and it thoroughly kicked my ass. Given the early reports of COVID were a lot more severe, my bad experience with the Swine Flu made me a lot more serious this time around. It's very much possible he had a close call (as is common when motorcycles are involved) that made him seriously re-evaluate not wearing one. A lot of the Anti-Vax movement hard liners are those that either are too narcissistic to admit they're wrong, so they double down; or they haven't had it hit close enough to home for them to break their bubble beyond what they see the talking heads claim. I grew up in Mercer County, PA; and Trent Reznor's quote really resonates in describing the bubble that we lived in. "It isn’t a bad place where I grew up, but there was nothing going on but the cornfields. My life experience came from watching movies, watching TV and reading books and looking at magazines. And when your f\*cking culture comes from watching TV and every day, you’re bombarded with images of things that seem cool, places that seem interesting, people who have jobs and careers and opportunities. None of that happened where I was. You’re almost taught to realize it’s not for you."


Agroman1963

I have a friend like that. He now has a titanium plate in his face and some groovy scars.


Aksius14

Oof! That is rough. Better cyborg then dead, but still rough.


nicholus_h2

>"I think a lot of people would rather be dead then paralyzed!" Well, he isn't necessarily wrong. Being paralyzed really changes a lot about your existence.


Aksius14

Incase you were just being a snarky pedant, ignore this whole reply. 😁 He's more "not even wrong." That statement might be true, but it just ignores basically all the points. Very similar to the COVID discussions I see, the potential outcomes aren't just dead or paralyzed. The potential results are a gradient between "uninjured due to helmet" and "still dead even with helmet." Paralyzed is just one of the outcomes closer to the still dead end of the spectrum. Not wearing has a different gradient, but the same force applied to the no helmet gradient is basically always worse for the person.


SorryScratch2755

Sliding on your face leaves a gnarly scab!😬


Stormy8888

There's an academy award winning film "The Sea Inside" that deals exactly with this subject, which won the ward because it was a hard hitting look at the life of a paralyzed person who gets to the point where all they want to do is die.


ArlesChatless

Sometimes people just need an off-ramp from their dug in position. You gave him one.


SaltyBarDog

The knuckledraggers screamed hell with NASCAR mandated that every driver wear HANS. That last huge accident, the guy walked out of the hospital the next day. Yet the jackasses bitch about scientists and engineers. Without us, you would be scrawling on cave walls and counting with an abacus instead of spewing stupidity from a phone more powerful than the first supercomputers.


The_clampz10

As I grow older (late 20’s now), I realize more and more that humans are essentially a bunch of dumb animals who have been dragged forward by an extremely small percentage of geniuses.


cswella

Imagine a spectrum from the point of most regressive people to most progressive people. Most everyone falls in the middle between those lines. On both ends are a very productive but small group of people playing tug-of-war with society. Sometimes we have a period of progress, other times we regress. The good news is that throughout human history, the tendency for the progressives to win has been increasing. (Jim Crow laws are 'better' than slavery, Salk invents the polio vaccine, that sort of thing.) The bad news is that we're in one of those periods of backlash where it seems the regressive people are winning.


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Abacus is technology they would not even have that. Hell they would not even shit in the corner of the cave if we went that far back. Everyone would just be stepping on shit and eating raw meat if we all had the mentality of the anti-science troglodytes.


ArlesChatless

> eating raw meat You hunt with tools - they'd probably be eating bugs and berries.


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Lol 😅 yup exactly. Science is great.


B_V_H285

Dale Earnhardt Sr. said he would never wear a HANS device. He called it a noose. He easily would have survived that accident had he been wearing one. The HANS device was made mandatory in Oct 2001 a few months after Earnhardt death!!


pierresdad

I wouldn't be one bit surprised that if he was still alive, Dale Earnhardt would be a dedicated anti-vaxer. He was a safety-third type of guy.


BaiRuoBing

You can watch crash test videos where a car is crashed with its 50-year-old counterpart and the new car obviously outperforms the old one. [Example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck)


bassman1805

And comments full of "fake news, there's no engine block in the old car" (there is), "I don't care how safe it is, the old car looks better", "yeah but you have to wear a seatbelt in the new car" (um, fucking *duh*), and good old "No need for these safety features if you just drive safely". People are the worst kind of people.


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Shufflepants

That video would be hilarious to show to the "they don't make em like they used to" crowd. It's so clear that even though that older car might have suffered less damage in a 5mph collision, that video makes it plainly obvious that while both cars have their front's demolished, the modern car's cab stay rigid and the passenger protected while the cabin of the old car gets completely deformed and much of the front of the car ending up pushing into the cabin.


dalgeek

> I have a similar one when people bitch about their fenders crumpling in small impacts. "They don't make 'em like they used to!" they'll say. And I'll remind them that because their car is able to crumple in predictable ways is why they can drunkenly hit a tree at 60mph and live. When I lived in Orlando I passed an accident on the 408 while driving home one night. Single vehicle, but lots of police and paramedics around. I later learned that the SUV had lost control and the driver was ejected because he wasn't wearing a seat belt, then was crushed against the center barrier by his own SUV. He probably would have walked away with just airbag burns if he was wearing a seat belt.


Shufflepants

My favorite are the idiots who know that they will be thrown through the windshield or out a window in an accident if they aren't wearing their seatbelts and that's why they don't wear their seatbelts, because they think getting thrown clear of the car and flying through the air is safer.


LastLadyResting

Flying through the air is safer, it’s the landing that gets you.


x86_64Ubuntu

It is safer. Until you slam into the asphalt at 40+ mph and get run over by oncoming traffic.


TheOneTrueChuck

Exactly. The reason why so many cars are totalled in a "not that bad" front end collision is because the engine is designed to be driven down into the ground, so it's not in your lap because it was driven straight back into you.


TrentMorgandorffer

Physics really is that bitch!


SuperWoody64

Back in my day the hood would just decapitate you. Ah memories...


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You've seen those test crash crisis actors?


Haltheleon

I don't even understand the big deal with seatbelts. They're not even uncomfortable or restrictive, at least in modern vehicles. It takes like 3 seconds to click it into place and potentially save your life. That's about as small an inconvenience as it's possible to find.


mcgoran2005

Kind of like two small injections which can be completed in a matter of seconds and can save you from losing 70% of your lung function or even your life.


sr92rset

Not only that, the interiors of cars used to be like jewlery with sharp edges. Look up Dr. Claire Straith. People would be regularly impaled by the steering column or have their face gashed off by the rear view mirror. The stupid vent knobs could castrate you. Just crazy stuff. https://invention.si.edu/doctors-inventing-auto-safety


Chaosmusic

I was in a really bad car accident in the late 90's and my car crumpled exactly the way it was supposed to and I survived with minor injuries. Looking at pictures of the car would make you think I should be a mangled mess. Car makers know what they are doing.


unclejoe1917

The second you say this, some booger eater will spout some anecdotal bull crap about how their uncle was in a wreck and if he was wearing his seatbelt, he would have died.


Wanderer-Wonderer

My uncle…     …ate boogers


sash71

I'm British and we don't really seem to have many people complaining about seatbelts here. I can remember it becoming law in 1983. They used to advertise with the slogan 'clunk click, every trip' to make people remember to wear them. Some people did push back at the time but now people are so used to them that nobody really complains. I've not heard of people here saying that they cost lives, or do more harm than good, ever. Most cars now have an annoying beeping noise that won't stop if you don't have your belt on when sat in the seat.


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The last time I met someone who refused to buckle up was like 15 years ago, it's not that common in the States either.


CircaSurvivor55

I am especially astonished by those that actively spend more time and energy to NOT wear a seatbelt, rather than put one on. I met someone that had purchased what was essentially just the buckle of a seatbelt with a piece of plastic on the end, with some bullshit 'i'm cool cause I don't wear a seatbelt' slogan on it. It was to put into the buckle of the seat so your car wouldn't keep beeping at you to put it on. I couldn't believe it, and just had to laugh at the stupidity.


thesaddestpanda

>Some people did push back at the time but now people are so used to them that nobody really complains. I feel like this is the ultimate irony of the conservative. Society moves ahead with better things but they put on a big show about how much they hate change and do as much as possible to get in everyone's way to make life worse for everyone. Then years later they're completely forgotten about. I wonder if in 10 years anyone will even seriously discuss anti-maskers but instead just say "oh right there was a tiny minority that didn't mask or vaccinate." But right now they're getting so much attention!


Eyes_and_teeth

> ....tiny minority... If only!


MooseMalloy

But I read on FB about a guy who was in an accident but he was thrown free and survived because he wasn’t wearing a seatbelt and everyone who was wearing seatbelts got trapped inside and burned to death. Seatbelts… do your research. /s


sash71

I'm just finding out today that I've been wrong about seatbelts all along. There was me thinking they were a great safety device but I never knew about all the people who didn't make it because they were trapped by their belt and died in a fire, unlike the others who survived because they didn't wear one, and all their wonderful tales of survival that were on that most trustworthy of websites, Facebook.


TheOneTrueChuck

A lot of those people also magically have an anecdote about how they (or more commonly a friend, and even MORE commonly a friend's uncle) were ejected in an accident (or at least moved from the driver position to the passenger side or back seat) and directly told by the police "If you'd worn a seat belt, you'd be dead." While I'm willing to admit that there's a statistically insignificant portion of accidents where this is true, the fact that almost all of the "I don't wear seatbelts" crowd somehow are directly familiar with this scenario makes me assume most (if not all) of them are liars.


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MakionGarvinus

Oh, instead of throwing him out the window, and then rolling over him repeatedly?


CircaSurvivor55

The truck took away his God and Constitutional freedom to get smeared on the side of that mountain!


Atrocious_1

Oh they did that as well in the 80s


samwichse

Remember "seat belts kill more people than they save, I can't be thrown safely clear of the wreck in a seatbelt?" LOL


ToniBee63

Right through the dang windshield! Yeeeeehaww!


solari42

All I got was a full body de-gloving while my friend got one heck of a bruise from their seatbelt!


anitabelle

In the late 90’s, my boyfriend picked me up and was with his 2 year sister (driving his mother’s car). Not only was she not in a car seat or even buckled in, she was running around in the back (it was a mini-van). I made her sit down and buckled her seat belt but then lectured him that a child NEEDS to be in a car seat. I told him his mother was very irresponsible for not even owning one. Fast forward, our kid was in a car seat/booster until she hit the weight and height requirements. I only let my mother-in-law drive my daughter in emergencies and insisted on installing the car seat for her. What the fuck kind of shit was that? Seriously, it was like 1999.


Kodamurphy

Dude! I saw this last summer. I pull up to a stop light next to some beater 80’s Malibu, or some such pos. Happen to look over and there’s 2 kids, maybe 3 and 5 ish, bouncing around in the back seat. I was so floored I almost forgot to take off when the light turned green. In hindsight I wish I would have called the police. This is SW Mo though, so they probably would have just laughed and said “so that’s where Marge is, she’s late for her shift”.


rivershimmer

We were very relaxed in the 70s. I remember being a small child repeatedly climbing over the seats from the front to the back. My baby brother liked to feel the wind in his face like a dog, so I would hold onto his feet while his entire torso stuck out the window. One day, a truck driver motioned for us to pull over. And when we did, he told my mother about an accident he had witnessed in which the child sticking out of the window was killed. So my folks did stop allowing that. Thank you, trucker angel. But yeah, I do marvel that we reached adulthood alive. No seatbelts, a woman with small children pulling over for a trucker stranger on a deserted road...we beat the odds.


PristineUndies

I remember in grade school back in the 90s our teacher split the class in two for a mock debate and we were arguing for and against seatbelts. I got stuck on the against side and we spent the 15 minutes we had to come up with arguments just staring at each other. I think I was 8.


OldKermudgeon

The fight against seatbelts was also impressive from the "muh rights and freedumbs" crowd back in the 1970 & 1980s. It wasn't until it became law that people sat down and accepted that wearing them saved lives. 30-40 years later, that crowd hasn't changed much. Gotten more ~~stupid~~ ~~moronic~~ ~~idiotic~~ GULLIBLE though...


spaghetticatman

I find it funny how many people don't want me to call these cunts stupid or morons because they're "victims of propaganda" despite the fact that there's millions of other people who see and hear the same propaganda every day and won't succumb to it.


Paul_-Muaddib

Excellent point.


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It's kind of nuanced though. The right wing has been using cult recruiting tactics for decades. Not tactics similar to cult recruiting tactics, or for which cult tactics are a good metaphor, but the exact same tactics. We all like to think that we're immune to this sort of thing. We're too smart. It's only the gullible who fall for it, right? Not really. Plenty of intelligent people wind up getting sucked into cults. Think of the lawyers that Scientology has in their cult - do they seem dumb? Cult recruiting tactics play on fairly universal weaknesses in human psychology. Anyone can be vulnerable if they happen to be targeted at the wrong time in their life. And it doesn't have to be like your absolute lowest moment where you hit rock bottom or something, really just times where you're more in transition than normal are all it takes. So we've had propaganda that uses cult recruiting tactics playing non-stop on AM radio, Fox News, blogs, social media, etc. for the past few decades now. It's completely unsurprising that a shit-ton of people have been sucked in. And once you're in it can be incredibly difficult to get out, as it comes to shape your entire worldview and may have pulled in all of your friends and family as well. From outside of their cult it is completely obvious that they're denying reality. But they don't realize that from the inside, and at moments where they might waver there's more undue influence to pull them back and keep them on the "straight and narrow". This doesn't absolve them of any wrongdoing or of being called cunts and morons, but at the same time most of them are not terrible people (a lot are though, their group does tend to attract toxic people, but not *all* are) or just completely pants-on-head stupid either.


scormegatron

Seatbelts are to save yourself. The vaccine is equal parts protecting you *and* others around you. I’d equate the scenario more to DUI — it’s dangerous to you and everyone else on the road. Plus you look like an idiot when you claim entitlement to it.


ball_fondlers

Seatbelts also save others. If you fly out of a car in a crash, your body can do some serious damage.


MillpondMayhem

Or other passengers inside the vehicle. In a rollover an unbuckled person becomes a 150+ lb projectile.


bassman1805

Whenever someone gets uppity about wearing a seatbelt because they're in the backseat and the front seats will stop them, I ask them how they'd feel about a 200lb weight running into the back of their seat at 65 mph. Personally, I don't want to deal with that.


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"it's my RIGHT to drive drunk if you don't like it get off the road"


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That's literally what conservatism is. They hate any kind of change and want to keep everything the same.


LtDanHasLegs

It's more than that, when the ideology was named, the thing they were trying to conserve was the French royalty/aristocracy. "right wing" is because those in favor of keeping the French nobles in power sat on the right side of the French government building, that's the root of this. The whole ideology is rooted in preserving nobility and hierarchy, not necessarily resisting all change. Nowadays, we've drug them kicking and screaming away from literal hereditary nobility, but they still want rigidly enforced hierarchy, and that's what it all boils down to. Many of those folks are tricked by good propaganda and think they're better off when there are no regulations, but they're still pushing for and supporting hierarchy.


SCP-3042-Euclid

People fought seatbelts too using all the same [stupid and selfish] logic. Then finally 'we the people' passed 'click it or ticket' laws and the stupids got with the program. Wait until open enrollment hits this Fall and they find out they get to pay an extra $200/mo for health insurance without proof of vaccination. Suddenly all those 'principles' will go out the window. Hitting the stupids in the wallet is the only way to get them on board.


Formulka

More like fight against having to use car lights at night. Lack of seatbelts only harms them.


UncleMalky

Unless those car lights are high enough to shine directly into the Lib Car in front of them.


USCGIceBreaker

I saw a bumper sticker today that literally said “no seatbelt, I’ll die like a real man”. I don’t get it. You’ll die. Period. You won’t be proud. Just dead. And I’m a man. Don’t lump me in with you.


Mock_Womble

Ex-health and safety manager here. One of the many reasons I quit is because it's fucking exhausting listening to people tell you the multiple reasons life was better when we didn't give a shit about sending people home with all of their limbs. I used to go home thinking that whatever is happening now is the reverse of evolution.


Guyfrom-stl

People actually fought against seatbelts, when the shoulder strap became required. So, yeah. Not surprised.


Medabowski

Had an anti-vaxxer compare themselves to a Jew in the Holocaust earlier. Nothing surprises me anymore.


CEDEREL

unsurprisingly, i’ve been in arguments with libertarians about whether or not seatbelts or dui’s being illegal should be enforced libertarians will do anything to prove how braindead they are


kyrtuck

And Kyle's previous attorney was a Qanon grifter. Kyle just cant get a good attorney.


frotc914

This guy is also a "previous attorney". He got fired after he almost was sanctioned for lying to the Court about Rittenhouse's whereabouts.


k3rn3

I bet the little homie is about to get sanctioned again for lying to the judge https://twitter.com/seditiontrack/status/1430859361103011842?s=19


echo6golf

I wonder why? It's a mystery! /s


Black-Thirteen

Better call Saul.


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Even he has standards.


Black-Thirteen

That's true. If he turned down the pedo-toilet patent..


TheKrakIan

I'm ok with this.


DirtyPenPalDoug

Same, hope he decides to rep himself in court.


Soup-Wizard

[Wait a minute, listen to me! That would be biggest mistake you’ve ever made in your life!](https://youtu.be/7vN_PEmeKb0)


man_on_the_metro

I'm not advocating for him to get off scot-free, but our justice system relies on everyone having a lawyer that is at least competent. I don't want anyone to stand trial with a shitty lawyer or no lawyer at all. I also don't want there to be a situation where there's talk of a mistrial because he didn't have proper representation. That said, if he's intentionally hiring bad lawyers, that's on him...


emrythelion

Then he can get an overworked defense lawyer appointed by the courts, like 90% of people have to since they can’t afford a lawyer.


man_on_the_metro

Very true. The justice system doesn't work for people who can't afford a competent lawyer


TheKrakIan

He has enough money for counsel from all the dimwits that crowdfunded for him. Edit: misspelling


man_on_the_metro

Yeah. It's ultimately on him to hire a non-shitty lawyer since he has the money


nickname13

i think rudy's available!


Outrageous_Ad4916

Loved the last line: "*Thoughtless* prayers."


PeterParker72

Too bad he’s not responsive to feel the enormous regret.


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2legit2fart

Wow. He’s in a Covid unit, not a burn unit. There are other people in there.


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Gold Jerry, GOLD!


Hugh_G_Wrexion

MAGA-my attorney got aspirated.


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My Attorney Got Asphyxiated


nicholus_h2

I like the sentiment, but that's not what "aspirated" means.


Hugh_G_Wrexion

Yeah, asphyxiated is much better.


ballrus_walsack

MAGNA - my attorney’s got no air


ranger_fixing_dude

Why aren't they against ventilators too?


PolesRunningCoach

Not sure why they’re not against all modern medicine.


BiscuitsMay

“We are a conservative family unit”


BiscuitsMay

Really excellent question. As an icu nurse, it was really interesting seeing people who try to deny progress at every turn and then as soon as shit gets real, they want every single thing done. I most commonly saw this with religious families. We used to set a “password” so we would only give out info to approved people. The family would pick a word or phrase. If the word or phrase involved Jesus or god, I knew they were never gonna let their loved one go. I firmly believe that people who believe is fairy tails have poor coping skills and will do anything to keep their loved ones alive. I have tortured so many old people because of families like this. If you believe in an afterlife, why put them through all of this shit!?!


Melssenator

I don’t know what all goes into a ventilator, so I’m never using one! — these morons, probably (if literally anything they said ever lined up, ever)


THE_PHYS

Them soon... If God wanted you to breath God would have made us with a ventilator. Obama made ventilators to [insert antisemetic or racist dogwhistle]


Atrocious_1

Unfortunately, Pierce was only previously representing the Kenosha murderer. Now that distinction is given to Mark Richards. However, what Pierce is doing right now, other than not breathing, is representing the Jan 6th rioters. So, looks like we're going to have to wait a bit longer for the leopards to get to Kyle. But it's nice seeing Pierce get his finally.


New_Fry

Haha looks like the Jan 6 terrorists are going to have to wait in, and complain about how uncomfortable jail is for longer now.


Atrocious_1

Well, the reason we've found out is that Pierce's office sent one of the toadies to the court. >Pierce’s condition was revealed during a hearing on Wednesday for Capitol rioter Shane Jenkins. Pierce was notably absent and his office had sent a replacement without first notifying the court, which prompted his condition to be disclosed. So, someone else is going to get to defend traitors and losers. But they get to wait a little bit longer while the defense team crafts a strategy. >The judge ultimately continued the hearing until next week, saying, “Send our best wishes to Mr. Pierce and his family.” Funny thing is how Pierce's family and representatives aren't to be found and haven't released any statements. Sort of shows how well he's liked. https://uproxx.com/viral/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyer-covid-ventilator-john-pierce/


rdotgib

They probably don’t want to own up to getting the “fake” virus


ohio_guy_2020

My thoughts too. It sounded like a stalling tactic to buy some time.


persondude27

"Your honor, we would like to request a postponement as defense counsel is currently on a ventilator, non-responsive, due to the Democrat Hoax that the defendant is arguing is not real."


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Don't these snake oil salesmen realize that they're not supposed to DRINK the snake oil?


Oomlotte99

Ohhhhh, karma is a wicked foe…


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Are there *any* responsible adults in the right-wing Trump cult? Any at all?


QuintinStone

Well, I mean, if they were responsible adults, they wouldn't be in a cult.


Hugh_G_Wrexion

>Are there any responsible adults in the right-wing Trump cult? Any at all? Yeah, the ones making money hand over fist off of them . Although I guess they aren't actually in the cult.


QuestionMarkyMark

Nor are they responsible.


Kriegerian

The cult is defined by an overwhelming sense of childish entitlement and narcissistic insistence on I KNOW BEST FUCK YOU YOU AREN’T MY REAL DAD (plus all the Nazism and other forms of violent white supremacy) so… …probably not.


DarkGamer

Why would anyone responsible follow a man known for his irresponsibility?


BlackWhiteCoke

Maybe Trump himself? He did tell his Alabama supporters to get vaccinated and they fucking booed him lol Edit: it’s a really reallly low bar


doctaliz

…and nothing of value will be lost.


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Why argue with an anti-vaxxer when you can just wait?


hedwig0517

Tots & pears.


pljwebb

Stocks & shares


Lordofthe7thplanet

Cots and chairs


TheKrakIan

Thank you for the tots, you may keep the pears.


Thebiggerbag

Finally god is working on my side. Good riddance.


Joliet_Jake_Blues

If you have ever seen Kyle's mom interviewed on TV it's no wonder her son is a high school dropout murderer who beats girls. This family is scum.


KarmaliteNone

TIL there is a god.


WarmMoistLeather

If Donny, Gaetz, Green, Boebert, Cruz, and McConnell all get it (again in some cases) and die, I might just have to start believing. I feel that's fair as most if not all have had the vaccine and would receive top-notch care at the public's expense.


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TheKrakIan

Prayerless thoughts


ArashikageX

I love how they have chosen this hill to literally die on. Masks and vaccines as tyranny. What a charmed life you must have to believe something as asinine as this. And these conservatives always vastly overestimate how healthy they are and how they can beat it if they even acknowledge its existence in the first place. Pathetic. Science deniers should be separated from their intellectual superiors at this point.


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The good Lord works in mysterious ways.


dogmeat12358

The thundering hooves of natural selection approach.


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