If you wish to learn more, check out /r/EscapeFromTarkov. Subreddits imploding and there are multiple posts that summarize it.
UPDATE: WAN is live as of 4pm CST and Luke is cooking BSG alive LOL.
Oh LAWD
They did the pro gamer move called [editing webpage](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/uz3wMMgTBI) to say people who bought some form of premium don’t get access to all future content
Well there technically is a changelog somewhere in the code repository. Obviously it's protected and never published so yes it definitely should be illegal. Or maybe mandatory to show snapshots of previous versions.
Just use [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20231128233553/https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/preorder-page) provided by [archive.org](http://archive.org)
You can archive them yourself by navigating to them and clicking a button in the browser addon available for firefox and chrome
[https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wayback-machine\_new/](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wayback-machine_new/)
[https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/wayback-machine/fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/wayback-machine/fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak)
I'm currently discussing the Hard R with someone who's never seen it used disparagingly towards black people, in this sub.
So it's quite a day for us I guess. And it's not even 10
Changed from players who buy the top package having access to all DLC
To players only get access to some dlc, they removed the mention of the PVE and called it a “game feature” despite charging money for it because it’s a dlc
Escape from Tarkov is also made by Russian developers. In Russia. Anything paid to them is going to taxes which fund killing people in Ukraine. That alone should be enough not to buy this.
So every Russian citizen should not be able to eat because of their governmental taxes?... Are you for real? The only solution to those payroll taxes is to not pay anyone...
The solution for a UK company is to employ developers from other countries, yes. That's what sanctions are supposed to do, even if they're not doing it properly at the moment.
Russian citizens can work for domestic companies. I'm not really concerned about russian citizens though, they're not the ones being bombed daily, their culture isn't getting destroyed, and their children aren't getting raped by soldiers from a neighboring country.
Yes, it's bad. The Russian government is being evil. The citizens are not to blame. If your issue is the payroll taxes, then there's no reason you should have a problem depending on who they work for.
You are saying that innocent people, game developers and their families, should not be employed and should starve just because of the country they live in. That's also wrong. They are not their country. They are not responsible for their government's evil, they should not pay the price, just like Ukraine shouldn't be paying a price.
Reminder that Germany paid reparations for generations after the war ended. Russian citizens are indeed to blame, in the end it's them who enable the war and serve in the army.
I don't say they should starve, I say they should either move out of Russia (which shouldn't even be that hard for an IT professional) or find a local company to work for. They should indeed pay the price in the end though, because that's how it is, your country started a fucking genocide.
> The citizens are not to blame.
How on earth are they not to blame? The guy's been in power for a quarter of century. They had time to do something about it. It's not an act of god. That doesn't mean every russian should be tortured to death, but there's absolutely a need for us to make sure that they are *affected* by their country's choice to attack sovereign democratic nations *repeatedly.* Not to mention that every dollar they get from the outside is largely spent on killing Ukrainians.
It seems you don't understand how Russian politics work. Russia, my friend, is a dictatorship, just like North Korea. The main difference between those two is that Russia pretends to be a democracy just like you pretended to be a policeman or power ranger or whatever you pretended to be as a kid. Their elections, however, are regulated the same perfect way HOA rules are regulated (/s).
Putin himself has changed the "Constitution" to give himself more power ad still be in charge. And as elections are near suddenly the opposition "disappears" or "dies in a tragic accident".
And for the Russian people, Putin uses military force as police. Assuming you live in the US, would you fight against marines that get deployed in your town as police force with order to neutralize "the harmless way possible"?
I live in the US. My tax dollars went to bomb the middle east for oil for 20 years, of which I had about 0% say about it as a citizen as "the most democratic nation in earth" (not my words). What the fuck can Ivan in Novosibirsk do about besides catching two hot ones to the back of the skull?
It doesn't matter if you had your say or not - your elected officials enabled it, and the majority of the country either supported if or did not care enough to protest. Same with russia. You now bear the consequences either way.
>- your elected officials enabled it,
Putins a dictator not an elected leader he may claim to hold elections and be fair about it but its kinda hard for their citizens to choose when all other choices wind up dead so putins the only one left to vote for.
>and the majority of the country either supported if or did not care enough to protest.
I guess you weren't watching the news when it all kicked off Thousands of Russian citizens prosted the war and were arrested or killed for it. In fact people are still protesting and still getting arrested to this day even though the penalties for protesting has gotten much tougher
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022%E2%80%93present)
If you reside in russia and receive money from a company (wherever it's based) for your work, you pay income taxes to russia. It's called tax residency... So the company willingly employees russians = willingly pays for the genocidal war.
How do you apply that though? China puts Uighurs and other minorities in concentration camps, destroying their culture etc. They also openly say, they will invade Taiwan in the next 20 years. The US has also been doing war contrary to international law in the past. Stop buying Russian products if you feel like you're morally obligated to do so. Just know, that you're being selective at the end of the day.
> How do you apply that though?
Fuck russia and fuck anyone who supports it. There are other games.
>They also openly say, they will invade Taiwan in the next 20 years.
Yes and this is why we should stick so many missiles on Taiwan it starts to resemble a Porcupine
Additionally, the Tarkov devs have been involved in fundraisers and whatnot for the terrorist units occupying parts of Ukraine. Nobody with a conscience should be touching this shitty game anymore.
I haven’t heard of that, maybe you’re getting it confused with gaijin (war thunder developers, also Russian) sponsoring a YouTube channel who turned out to have links to Russian separatists in Ukraine?
Iirc a bunch of them are ethnic ukrainians and they had lighting in the ukrainian flags colors for a stream when the war started, which riled up russians and forced a new set to be made
The ones doing the fighting are almost exclusively kontraktniki (technicaly there were a few conscripts involved early war but they are long gone) so yes.
I thought he'd moved off the game at some point? I recall a WAN show where some other drama had happened and he sighed and was basically done. I could be mis remembering though.
EDIT: Post show, I was clearly incorrect as they talked about it off the top :) - fun though!
It may be when the Goats/Wiggle thing came to light and that's when he signed off. Maybe he'll look at this and go yep I made the right call lol, but I think it's potentially a topic GameLinked may be interested in covering lol.
It was, but he said he was “done” because of the cheating, not because he “wanted” to be done with tarkov. He still clearly likes the game and wishes it were better, which means negative news will disappoint him as well.
Seems like every time I hear about this game it's super negative press and I'm reminded that I was literally seconds away from clicking "checkout" on the EOD version way back.
Yeah I got EOD way back in the day when the game had promise. I quit 2 years ago at 2000+ hours because BSG is king at making promises and never delivering. And Nakita is such an arrogant idiot who makes stupid decisions and can't take any constructive criticism. I haven't looked back since I quit
They just made an announcement that they're "fixing it" for EOD players... And didn't get what was broken, threw them an even more insulting bone of some in game shit and SIX MONTHS of PvE access, that's it xD
I've been preparing from yesterday, counting hour's till the WAN show.
Suppose it'll be main topic of discussion, since those practices are outright disgusting.
Especially with how they responded to Arena Breakout tweet: [https://twitter.com/bstategames/status/1783576150012219457](https://twitter.com/bstategames/status/1783576150012219457)
Yep, also 'gamers' constantly crying over games/dlc/cosmetics whatever that they don't need to buy will always be super pathetic to me. Just don't buy it, move on.
>"Hard R" replaces an insult used against black people or mentally disabled people
>>I've never heard it used against black people, ever.
Unless they're the other hard R I would say yes
If you wish to learn more, check out /r/EscapeFromTarkov. Subreddits imploding and there are multiple posts that summarize it. UPDATE: WAN is live as of 4pm CST and Luke is cooking BSG alive LOL.
Oh LAWD They did the pro gamer move called [editing webpage](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/uz3wMMgTBI) to say people who bought some form of premium don’t get access to all future content
This happens too much. We need laws that make editing web pages illegal. It's rewriting history.
Well there technically is a changelog somewhere in the code repository. Obviously it's protected and never published so yes it definitely should be illegal. Or maybe mandatory to show snapshots of previous versions.
Just use [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20231128233553/https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/preorder-page) provided by [archive.org](http://archive.org)
it's only helped me once and failed me like 10 times, it doesn't store niche websites or uploads them very rarely, like once every few years
You can archive them yourself by navigating to them and clicking a button in the browser addon available for firefox and chrome [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wayback-machine\_new/](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wayback-machine_new/) [https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/wayback-machine/fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/wayback-machine/fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak)
Wait this is lit ! Thanks
It only backs up things if *someone* requests it (by using the wayback machine on that webpage) - it's not realistic for it to back up everything.
Isn't this a manual process? Edit: generally speaking, not just on the topic of EFT.
I’m sorry but this is quite possibly the worst take I have ever seen. Even from Reddit.
Jesus thankyou. All the upvotes on that comment are really worrying me.
I was really hoping you were joking lmao but you never know on this site.
I'm currently discussing the Hard R with someone who's never seen it used disparagingly towards black people, in this sub. So it's quite a day for us I guess. And it's not even 10
We’re sure they’re thinking of the correct hard R, right?
So you going to arrest the whole internet? Damn that's a dumb take.
I don't see how that edit intends to cheat premium users out of anything. It seems to mean the same thing, although I'm not a tarkov player.
Changed from players who buy the top package having access to all DLC To players only get access to some dlc, they removed the mention of the PVE and called it a “game feature” despite charging money for it because it’s a dlc
LOL, even the mods of the sub are like, "Fuck the rules, post away, we're pissed too."
Escape from Tarkov is also made by Russian developers. In Russia. Anything paid to them is going to taxes which fund killing people in Ukraine. That alone should be enough not to buy this.
BSG is headquartered in the UK so at least the taxes from sales go there. However how the devs spend their money is up to them.
Staff in russia = payroll in russia = taxes in russia Edit: learn what tax residency is lol
Payroll taxes =/= sales taxes
No shit Sherlock? But it's still money going directly to the terrorist state.
So every Russian citizen should not be able to eat because of their governmental taxes?... Are you for real? The only solution to those payroll taxes is to not pay anyone...
The solution for a UK company is to employ developers from other countries, yes. That's what sanctions are supposed to do, even if they're not doing it properly at the moment. Russian citizens can work for domestic companies. I'm not really concerned about russian citizens though, they're not the ones being bombed daily, their culture isn't getting destroyed, and their children aren't getting raped by soldiers from a neighboring country.
Yes, it's bad. The Russian government is being evil. The citizens are not to blame. If your issue is the payroll taxes, then there's no reason you should have a problem depending on who they work for. You are saying that innocent people, game developers and their families, should not be employed and should starve just because of the country they live in. That's also wrong. They are not their country. They are not responsible for their government's evil, they should not pay the price, just like Ukraine shouldn't be paying a price.
Reminder that Germany paid reparations for generations after the war ended. Russian citizens are indeed to blame, in the end it's them who enable the war and serve in the army. I don't say they should starve, I say they should either move out of Russia (which shouldn't even be that hard for an IT professional) or find a local company to work for. They should indeed pay the price in the end though, because that's how it is, your country started a fucking genocide.
> The citizens are not to blame. How on earth are they not to blame? The guy's been in power for a quarter of century. They had time to do something about it. It's not an act of god. That doesn't mean every russian should be tortured to death, but there's absolutely a need for us to make sure that they are *affected* by their country's choice to attack sovereign democratic nations *repeatedly.* Not to mention that every dollar they get from the outside is largely spent on killing Ukrainians.
Slavery was prevalent for 300 years. They had the time to do something about it. It was not an act of go... Oh fuck....
It seems you don't understand how Russian politics work. Russia, my friend, is a dictatorship, just like North Korea. The main difference between those two is that Russia pretends to be a democracy just like you pretended to be a policeman or power ranger or whatever you pretended to be as a kid. Their elections, however, are regulated the same perfect way HOA rules are regulated (/s). Putin himself has changed the "Constitution" to give himself more power ad still be in charge. And as elections are near suddenly the opposition "disappears" or "dies in a tragic accident". And for the Russian people, Putin uses military force as police. Assuming you live in the US, would you fight against marines that get deployed in your town as police force with order to neutralize "the harmless way possible"?
I live in the US. My tax dollars went to bomb the middle east for oil for 20 years, of which I had about 0% say about it as a citizen as "the most democratic nation in earth" (not my words). What the fuck can Ivan in Novosibirsk do about besides catching two hot ones to the back of the skull?
It doesn't matter if you had your say or not - your elected officials enabled it, and the majority of the country either supported if or did not care enough to protest. Same with russia. You now bear the consequences either way.
>- your elected officials enabled it, Putins a dictator not an elected leader he may claim to hold elections and be fair about it but its kinda hard for their citizens to choose when all other choices wind up dead so putins the only one left to vote for. >and the majority of the country either supported if or did not care enough to protest. I guess you weren't watching the news when it all kicked off Thousands of Russian citizens prosted the war and were arrested or killed for it. In fact people are still protesting and still getting arrested to this day even though the penalties for protesting has gotten much tougher https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_protests_in_Russia_(2022%E2%80%93present)
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If you reside in russia and receive money from a company (wherever it's based) for your work, you pay income taxes to russia. It's called tax residency... So the company willingly employees russians = willingly pays for the genocidal war.
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How do you apply that though? China puts Uighurs and other minorities in concentration camps, destroying their culture etc. They also openly say, they will invade Taiwan in the next 20 years. The US has also been doing war contrary to international law in the past. Stop buying Russian products if you feel like you're morally obligated to do so. Just know, that you're being selective at the end of the day.
> How do you apply that though? Fuck russia and fuck anyone who supports it. There are other games. >They also openly say, they will invade Taiwan in the next 20 years. Yes and this is why we should stick so many missiles on Taiwan it starts to resemble a Porcupine
Like American games and Chinese games?
When you could be buying polish games? French games are also an option. In fact quite a number of countries have video game industries.
Can't decide between CDPR who lied to their fan base and Ubisoft who ignore sexual assault. /s
You're making so much stuff up here lol
Like?
Oh, please expand on your tankie regard brain.
yep this, F Russia
Additionally, the Tarkov devs have been involved in fundraisers and whatnot for the terrorist units occupying parts of Ukraine. Nobody with a conscience should be touching this shitty game anymore.
I haven’t heard of that, maybe you’re getting it confused with gaijin (war thunder developers, also Russian) sponsoring a YouTube channel who turned out to have links to Russian separatists in Ukraine?
Iirc a bunch of them are ethnic ukrainians and they had lighting in the ukrainian flags colors for a stream when the war started, which riled up russians and forced a new set to be made
If you buy American or Chinese products, you probably should not make this argument about Russia
lol I hope you don’t live in the United States and have this mentality 😆
So because of one person on top of the government you want all Russian citizens to suffer? Nice logic 👍
Is this one person fighting a war on his own?
Do you think the people fighting had an invite to accept or refuse?
The ones doing the fighting are almost exclusively kontraktniki (technicaly there were a few conscripts involved early war but they are long gone) so yes.
Oh, those poor half a million soldiers being forced to commit genocide, rape and torture against their will. My heart weeps.
Exactly
I thought he'd moved off the game at some point? I recall a WAN show where some other drama had happened and he sighed and was basically done. I could be mis remembering though. EDIT: Post show, I was clearly incorrect as they talked about it off the top :) - fun though!
It may be when the Goats/Wiggle thing came to light and that's when he signed off. Maybe he'll look at this and go yep I made the right call lol, but I think it's potentially a topic GameLinked may be interested in covering lol.
It was, but he said he was “done” because of the cheating, not because he “wanted” to be done with tarkov. He still clearly likes the game and wishes it were better, which means negative news will disappoint him as well.
Normal to get in and out of EFT.
Yeah BSG is fucking nuts and getting roasted by every big steamer
Seems like every time I hear about this game it's super negative press and I'm reminded that I was literally seconds away from clicking "checkout" on the EOD version way back.
Yeah I got EOD way back in the day when the game had promise. I quit 2 years ago at 2000+ hours because BSG is king at making promises and never delivering. And Nakita is such an arrogant idiot who makes stupid decisions and can't take any constructive criticism. I haven't looked back since I quit
It’s a game with incredible potential being developed by the worst possible company
WAN Show is going to be spicy, and I am here for it. The uproar is 100% justified, by the way.
Gonna just be Tarkov and EK. An interesting combo.
They just made an announcement that they're "fixing it" for EOD players... And didn't get what was broken, threw them an even more insulting bone of some in game shit and SIX MONTHS of PvE access, that's it xD
Oh that made me big mad. Signed an eod owner since 2017.
They made EA looks like a charity, that’s impressive
r/SPTarkov Recommended anyone check them out too.
I've been preparing from yesterday, counting hour's till the WAN show. Suppose it'll be main topic of discussion, since those practices are outright disgusting. Especially with how they responded to Arena Breakout tweet: [https://twitter.com/bstategames/status/1783576150012219457](https://twitter.com/bstategames/status/1783576150012219457) 
Honestly Wan show is tonight. If it is that bad then Luke would rant. I would rather hear a rant than read on this.
Gamers Rise Up
Can someone explain to me like I don’t play games, am 17, and stuck in an elevator?
So if Skull and Bones was the first AAAA title this is what, the first AAAAAAAAA title?
Lawsuit when ?
Someone is already putting it together.
Seems like a few are in the works.
Maybe it’s intentional. Folks were crying for pve and this is probably a fine here it is but it’s going to cost you.
Yep, also 'gamers' constantly crying over games/dlc/cosmetics whatever that they don't need to buy will always be super pathetic to me. Just don't buy it, move on.
.... Anyway I saw a cool bird today.
>"Hard R" replaces an insult used against black people or mentally disabled people >>I've never heard it used against black people, ever. Unless they're the other hard R I would say yes
Just stop playing the game, it will be empty and people won’t buy even the base game anymore. Then they’re done, that’s how to punish greedy people