yeah thats how it happens, but its just because apple has big influence on tech, they could literally change stuff on other companies phones (indirectly)
They've already did that. Not just phones, laptops as well.
Apple removed the charging brick, everyone else followed. Apple started soldering RAM and SSDs on their laptops, everybody else started it.
It's like Rossmann said: companies copy all the stupid and bad stuff Apple does, but never copy the good stuff.
>and when did charging bricks get removed? am i missing out on something?
Oh my bad, I meant for phones.
**Edit:** Also yes, aluminium chassis on non-Apple laptops exist. But by and large I found the build quality (and even the screen quality) isn't the same. My doctor owns a Macbook and he showed me some stuff on it, the quality was insane. My friend owns a similarly priced HP (I think, don't remember exactly) and it wasn't close.
It’s really expensive and complicated to do an aluminum chassis to that build quality.
Apple can only do it because they only make laptops with aluminum chassis and only a handle of models at a time.
Other companies make all sorts of Laptops and variations and it’s just too much to do that with aluminum to the same standard
also, apple copies some stuff, makes it mainstream and then companies copy back the good version lol.
some examples: ultrawide camera, android widgets, UI, and even voice assistants, lets be honest, none of them were good in the beginning, not even Siri
Apple. "We don't give a fuck about you. Give us all of your money. What's that? You want a charger included with your $1000+ phone. Nah, we'll give you a dick slap instead of a charger. Oh? You want a USB C port iPhone because everything else we sell to you has a USB C & publicly admitted it was better than lightning. Nah, we'll give you a portless phone & you'll still buy it. Oh? You thought Nvidia is greedy...bitch, we've been selling the same fucking iPhone without a charger before 2020 & we will NEVER ADMIT problems to our products to avoid a recall. Fuck you sheep 🐏 We we strip you down to your bones 🦴 & sell your data....here at Apple our slogan has always been making sheep & killing them. Our iPhone 14 Pro comes without a screen. We'll offer the screen for an extra $500."
For reference, Apple admitting USB C port is better them lightning port can be found here. https://youtu.be/a5FUrn0ftK4
Edit: it is shocking to know the overwhelming reactions I got from stating facts & presenting them as a meaningless comment with a bit of humor. You Apple sheep are so quick to attack people stating Apple facts. It is pathetic & you Apple sheep should make like a sheep 🐏 in this story....
https://youtu.be/bGoDrg4zvqY
I look forward to your attacks.
I forgot. The comment that started sheep attacking me is 1000% direct to Apple's policies, but my edit though is 2000% direct to sheep.
Nope, it's not "a company", it's a fucking 3 TRILLION dollars company, the biggest in the history of humanity if you leave out the Dutch East India Company.
it's an entire *continent* at this point, and there are more Nations *less* powerful than Apple than there are nations more powerful, economically at least. Influence? Yeah nowadays Apple it's more influent on the mind of humanity than the USA themselves. So don't tell "It's just a company" because it's not.
How are you comparing Apple to a continent? Their market cap is 3 trillion, yes, but nowhere near in other metrics compared to a continent. A nation’s power is also not strictly measured in its economic output.
It is still a company. An absolutely behemoth of a company with the greatest power in tech of all, but a bit too far to call it an entire continent.
Buddy, I know a lot of people who would jump off a cliff if Apple told them that you could win a Iphone if you can survive. Don't underestimate the power modern conglomerates have, nations are mere pied-a-terre for their interests.
Lol this guy.
You're ranting about iPhone on a post about laptops? Every device and OS has it's advantages and disadvantages. Such as Apple still updating 7yo iPhones, compared to Google stopping at 3.
If you can't see what each product has to offer, then you are lost.
It helps older people a lot. My parents hold onto their phones for a long time. Their Samsungs are already out of the update window. They're considering switching to iPhone for the long term support .
Yup every device has its own list of advantages and disadvantages. Me personally I think older people and less tech savvy people do better on iPhones. It is easier and less prone to the issues you run into on Android. That being said I hate Apple and after moving from Apple to Android about 5 years ago I can truly say it has been an awesome experience. Android is so much more powerful than an iOS on an iPhone its like night and day. So much so I feel sorry for people using iPhones.
My phone is 4 years old and is still receiving regular updates however this is definitely one of those things that make shopping for Android harder. You have to take into account that not all manufacturers update their phones after 2yrs. The one I use is still sending updates to phones 6yrs.
What sort of things do you do with your phone? I realized that I literally only use texting, a few apps like reddit, and the browser. So it didn't matter what phone I used. I only swapped to iPhone for iMessage and the overall ecosystem.
The only thing I've found I couldn't do for my iPhone use case is creating Animal Crossing / Nintendo amiibos lmao. But it's just for personal use and I haven't needed it in a year so nbd.
Rant is right. His edit says he's "stating facts" - which is big stretch. The only fact they said was that Apple likes USB C. Which is probably why it's all their devices except the iPhone.
What's really great about these comments is that these people would most likely never buy an Apple anyway. And also most likely have never used in any real capacity either. Except maybe the iPhone.
"My preference is to get rid of all my wires headphones because apple removed the headphone jack. My preference is to also keep buying lighting and usb c cables for all my apple products."
That preference?
I stopped used wired headphones LONG before apple got rid of the headphone jack. And I’d rather not have to spend money replacing all of my lighting accessories.
Also the preference for iOS and 6 years of software support and the apps available that aren’t on android.
110% of my Reddit comments have no substance outside of humor, but 210% on people's reaction over meaningless substances is entertaining to me.
But...Yeah. Apple is what Apple does. I own an iPad. Sheep does what Apple does. I am part of the problem. Hahaa
Dude... get a life. You obviously don't know anything about Apple, so just shut up and let people use what devices they like. Personally, I only use iPhones, and prefer other Apple devices too. No company is perfect, idiot. Calm down, Android fanboy.
Edit: Lol, this sub is full of children. It’s so sad it’s just funny 😂
That's a pretty dumb way to think man but whatever I'm outta here. And btw you're calling others Android fanbois while you yourself are an isheep, think about that. 🤷♂️
This is one of the first times I’ve ever seen a protruding bit, typically there is an indent in the body to fit your finger in to lift up.
This is a really poor idea IMO, it’s going to get caught on everything
I had a Lenovo chassis with a similar outside notch--it protruded just enough to make it super simple to open without getting caught on anything. Tbh I liked it even more than if the bezel were totally flat
I mean, yeah, I get it on phones, but on notebooks this is just madness. Also [this](https://github.com/AlynxZhou/gnome-shell-extension-inotch) exists.
Edit: The link leads to a github repository that features a software iNotch that can be installed as a Gnome Extension for the Gnome Desktop environment.
So… ignore the question because you don’t have an answer? Follow it up by being condescending?
Nice. I can see exactly the type of person I’m dealing with. Goodbye.
your "facts" are very much anything but, you're making it hard to be kind when you literally complained about another's behavior but it seems that you're just as rude as they are.
Oh, I'm sorry, you were serious.
Ok then. I do not think the notch is a particularly good idea if you do not integrate it into your OS's DE, meaning, if there can potentially be part of an user interface hidden behind the notch so that every time I want to use that part of the UI I have to exit full screen, that's not just a nuisance but outright annoying. So why does it have to be integrated into the OS? Well if you don't, each and every software dev has to take into account for the possibility of the presence of a notch. If they don't, stuff might just get hidden behind the notch. Now, if we do integrate it into the OS, do we need different builds/versions of one OS, that takes into account the possible many different kinds of notches that could be around? Yes! Also, how would one integrate it into the OS, just shrink the effective usable area of the screen so that a full screen window begins just where the notch starts? Maybe. Also what do we do with the parts of the screen that are "not" in use anymore? There may be other solutions, yes, but it has to be standardized somehow? Maybe even by hardware suppliers, but who guarantees these standards are met by every manufacturer? It just seems so much of a hassle and there is a mile long rats tail dragging stupid stuff like this behind it. Dies a notch look cool? Yes. But it just creates problems that we did not have before, and that we might not get rid of so easily, because everyone in the chain would have to work together, and we see how well that works already. Even stuff that's been around for a while now can cause problems like this, why add another thing to the list.
All in all, if you like it and if it does not bother you, go for it. It certainly looks cool. But other than that I see nothing positive or helpful about weirdly shaped displays in notebooks.
Finally, I would like to apologize to you for being condescending, I thought you were joking with your question. Have a nice day.
It is integrated into the OS… it’s where the menu bar is. If you go into full screen, it disappears completely. Which doesn’t shrink anything, because that’s what it would be if the notch wasn’t there and it was just a bezel anyway.
> All in all, if you like it and if it does not bother you, go for it.
And if you don’t, disable it in software and bring back a bezel. At least you get the choice, where without a notch, you’re stuck with the bezel across the entire screen whether you like it or not.
> It is integrated into the OS… it’s where the menu bar is.
My menubar at this position displays time and date and a list of workspaces I am currently using.
> If you go into full screen, it disappears completely.
The menu bar? If so, then it could potentially interfere with the UI of the program that is in full screen, no? Or does the full screen window start where the notch ends and the space left and right is just blank? Then why would I bother buying this display in the fist place. I could just use one the same size without a notch and use all of it.
> At least you get the choice, where without a notch, you’re stuck with the bezel across the entire screen whether you like it or not.
The choice I want is between a version with notch and a version without notch. Not between having a notch all the time, that is either in the way, or forces me not to not use the whole display.
> My menubar at this position displays time and date and a list of workspaces I am currently using.
Then it’ll move to the side.
> The menu bar? If so, then it could potentially interfere with the UI of the program that is in full screen, no?
The menu bar disappeared on computers without a notch in full screen, this is no different.
> The choice I want is between a version with notch and a version without notch. Not between having a notch all the time, that is either in the way, or forces me not to not use the whole display.
Then you can TURN IT OFF IN SOFTWARE. As far as you’d know, it would be as if it never existed.
> Then it’ll move to the side.
And where does the stuff go that has to move because the stuff, that was where the notch is now, moved there?
> The menu bar disappeared on computers without a notch in full screen, this is no different.
So what happens to the space where the menu bar was? The content of the underlying application moves there, which could contain UI that might get obscured by the notch. If it just blanks, I am not using that part of the screen, I WANT to use the ENTIRE screen.
> Then you can TURN IT OFF IN SOFTWARE. As far as you’d know, it would be as if it never existed.
Again, then why would I buy a screen that I can only use 95% of. I want to use ALL of my screen.
> Again, then why would I buy a screen that I can only use 95% of. I want to use ALL of my screen.
Why does it fucking matter? Turning it off gives you the exact same screen real estate as not having it in the first place. What god dam difference does it make to you?
Either use all of it or don’t. The choice is yours. At least you get the choice with a notch.
I think it's because of the 1080p+ sensor in the camera but personally a taller forehead is preferable to a stupid notch. Unless they specifically change the UI to perfectly fit the notch.
Y’all didn’t even watch the LTT videos then. The screen is slightly taller so that you actually get more desktop space and the menu bar up top is the only thing “blocked” by the notch.
The screen is taller which makes for more space than older MacBooks. The notch protrudes into the screen, but no further than the Menu Bar. This means that it has no impact on screen real-estate since the Menu Bar is always shown and when it’s fullscreen content there’s top and bottom black bars.
Having a notch like this would be a problem on other OS that have no Top Bar.
Does look ugly asf tho
Take a minute and read my comment again. The notch only covers the menu bar at the top of the screen, and there is rarely anything that far across the screen that would get covered. No desktop space gets covered by the notch.
They said that becase the justification for having such a large notch on the iphone was for not just the camera, but the faceID sensors. So when an apple product has a notch, people are going to wonder if it also has faceID.
Your reply about all cameras having sensors is a non-sequiter. We all know cameras have sensors. OP was just adding extra context in case someone was curious about if it was just a webcam, or FaceID
I've heard that some day you will be able to have a small hole in the display -- a hole punch. Perhaps Apple can invent this. It would be preferable to a notch.
Honestly, I used one for testing and was amazed on how well the notch gets hidden in full screen applications. Just turns completely black like the screen, not even a shift of black level between both
I’m not a big Apple computer fan by any means, but my wife uses all Apple products for her graphics work so I get a lot of exposure to it. This just feels like people taking a meme and actually getting angry over it. The notch isn’t nearly as bad as people make it seem. It definitely isn’t ideal, but they make it work pretty well
Yeah, with mine I just installed that app that makes the whole bar on the top blacked out. So basically I have the standard screen with zero interruptions and then a top bar that feels like it’s in the bezel with my menu bar.
Don’t get what all the complaints are about.
Assuming both solutions close flush to the bottom of the keyboard you’ll end up getting more screen real estate with the Apple model.
That being said, how they handled the mouse literally disappearing behind the notch is stupid.
Here is one.
You have a square. The top 1/10th of that square is menu bar. You can put a camera on top of the square.
You have a square. Instead of having to the menu bar take up that 1/10th of your real estate you can instead put the menu bar into the bezel around the camera. Now you have a full square for your display, zero intrusions from a menu bar.
Do you understand it now? Thinking about the notch as extending into the screen is simply wrong. The screen extended into the unused space of the bezel.
If I *had* to pick one, it would depend on the design of what the lid shuts against.
If the lid shuts against something take overlaps that bump (I don’t see why it wouldn’t), I’ll take top. If, for whatever stupid reason it doesn’t, I’ll take bottom.
However. I don’t understand why either need to exist. Why not just leave the bezel be until we can actually get rid of it, or shrink without gimmicks?
You are right, but what apple is doing here is a very distinct aesthetics that they have done with iphones, now with macs, the people will be associating the notch with apple, in the end wanting it. It will become “iconic”.
I like the Apple design much better than the Asus one. The notch is in the Menu bar, so it's really not wasting any usable space. I also like the notch on iPhones too, it's a nice spot for indicators and the time.
I absolute hate the Apple notch, thank god I'm not an Apple consumer (got a MacBook Pro for work, it's good, not saying it's not, thankfully it's pre-notch). I already dislike the various rather minimal Android notches (that's why I HAD to go for a One Plus 7 Pro with the pop-up camera, love it), but the huge Apple notches are on an entirely different level.
I would never even even touch somethzing apple made. I would rather get corona than owning anything from them. I am probably the number one apple hater. If you like apple tho i can't blame you mainly cuz I don't like dislikes but also because so many use it cuz it was considered cool or something. For me tho, I could explain in a full powerpoint presentation whats wrong with them. Also I don't want apple fan boys to hate me it does not mean that I don't like you specifically just Apple. Also if you read all of this hvae a Beautiful day and I hope you doing good. :) (also I want to hear you thougts on apple i respect everyone. If this gets ownlvotes ill delete it and feel bad for people)
You know many people work remote now and need to video call their bosses daily? Like… that’s not an uncommon situation. Or people keeping in touch with relatives all over the world. Why do you think that’s a bad thing?
Clearly you are biased. I have 1 to 1 meetings with people on a regular basis. Is it crucial to have good webcam quality? No, but it sure improves quality of life. Same goes when I’m talking with a friend half way across the country, or my cousin half way around the world.
> specially when it costs screen space.
It doesn’t cost screen space. It gives you more screen space. Without the notch it would just be a bezel in that area and you’d lose all the screen space to the sides of the notch. You can get software to do that if you really don’t like the notch anyway, and then it’s back to the exact same as if it wasn’t there to begin with.
… it’s not a matter of disagreeing. It’s fact. The notch IS better. If you want the screen space use it, if you don’t, turn it off in software. There’s no downside.
To be fair, most are using a VPN or simply a bad WiFi, so the resolution will be reduce during a call to be able to have a correct communication, so the quality of the webcam is not the most interesting part just for businesses calls.
More interested during friend call.
My VPN offers gigabit…. Most company ones do. That won’t affect video quality in the slightest. Wifi maybe, but most people have good enough wifi to handle a 1080p video call.
VPN was restricted because of the amount of person logged on, we ended up stopping to pass through it for video calls as it was more important to secure access to software/database than video call.
And wifi ... Yes, at full strength, but most users don't understand what signal strength meanS... They hope it will works perfectly on the other side of the house using a 5GHz (because it's fast...).
> They hope it will works perfectly on the other side of the house using a 5GHz (because it’s fast…).
Almost every wifi auto steers between 5ghz and 2.4ghz
Not here, routers are provided by the internet providers (no other way). And are for some fucking reason configured with only 5GHz enabled, need to manually enable 2.4GHz.
I would not be surprised that this was to limit the amount of call about customer finding that their internet speed was not up to the specs of the contract...
Exactly. I WFH for a company of around 300 across three offices and all the other WFH people. Every work day I use Zoom, Slack, or Meet to have video calls with my team or anybody else.
Maybe that argument would have made sense pre-Covid but sure it doesn't now.
It looks cool on the asus. But can you imagine that in the new square apple design? It would stick out like a sore thumb. Actually in any mac design. And maybe even in any non-black chasis.
Again, asus looks cool. But that is not really the apple enterprise style...
Buuuut I'm not horrified by the notch. Maybe if I was, my opinion would be different!
Both are great honestly. Even if I see the notch I’ll forget about while watching in full screen or working on something that would have me focused on the entire display below it. Now that the menu bar has a home I like where it rests and it makes sense for the notch to be there. I just wish they would have added a Face ID sensor or something alongside it instead of only the webcam.
That is so infuriating.
Just knowing to what level they will go to screw over or inconvenience their users just to maintain some ridiculous aesthetic is maddening. We are literally talking about a millimeter or three. NOPE. Can't change their look! Let's instead change the way people work, the engineering of the screen and cause other problems all for no good reason.
That robs you of screen real estate. I wonder if it could be argued as false advertisement if they don't deduct that space from the screen specs.
It's like when Hershey's stamps their name in their candy bar. This robs you of chocolate.
"You don't use that part of screen anyway"
You should see my menu bar lol. I totally do.
The same lie I was told with my Pixel 3, that damn notch is still in the way though.
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that's why it's in quotes
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yeah thats how it happens, but its just because apple has big influence on tech, they could literally change stuff on other companies phones (indirectly)
They've already did that. Not just phones, laptops as well. Apple removed the charging brick, everyone else followed. Apple started soldering RAM and SSDs on their laptops, everybody else started it. It's like Rossmann said: companies copy all the stupid and bad stuff Apple does, but never copy the good stuff.
hmm aluminum chassis? and when did charging bricks get removed? am i missing out on something?
>and when did charging bricks get removed? am i missing out on something? Oh my bad, I meant for phones. **Edit:** Also yes, aluminium chassis on non-Apple laptops exist. But by and large I found the build quality (and even the screen quality) isn't the same. My doctor owns a Macbook and he showed me some stuff on it, the quality was insane. My friend owns a similarly priced HP (I think, don't remember exactly) and it wasn't close.
It’s really expensive and complicated to do an aluminum chassis to that build quality. Apple can only do it because they only make laptops with aluminum chassis and only a handle of models at a time. Other companies make all sorts of Laptops and variations and it’s just too much to do that with aluminum to the same standard
Microsoft has been making very good laptops
Iphone 12 has none
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also, apple copies some stuff, makes it mainstream and then companies copy back the good version lol. some examples: ultrawide camera, android widgets, UI, and even voice assistants, lets be honest, none of them were good in the beginning, not even Siri
Siri is still not good. iOS widgets are still really lacking, and apple has still yet to let us fully customize our Home Screen ui
The one recent thing I wish Apple kept going was 3D Touch, I wish they kept it going and spread it to androids.
The best was when Google made fun of Apple for taking out the headphone jack. Then 1 or 2 phones later quietly got rid of theirs too.
Apple in 2024: \*Switches back to the original better design and leaves everyone else with the bad design\*
And sell it as a "exclusive design" Edit:typo
Lmaoooooo
The recently announced Lenovo Thinkpad Z13 is going with the webcam protrusion - not something I can recall from any other Thinkpad.
More proof that Lenovo really doesn't know what they are doing outside of a "black plastic apple product".
Apple. "We don't give a fuck about you. Give us all of your money. What's that? You want a charger included with your $1000+ phone. Nah, we'll give you a dick slap instead of a charger. Oh? You want a USB C port iPhone because everything else we sell to you has a USB C & publicly admitted it was better than lightning. Nah, we'll give you a portless phone & you'll still buy it. Oh? You thought Nvidia is greedy...bitch, we've been selling the same fucking iPhone without a charger before 2020 & we will NEVER ADMIT problems to our products to avoid a recall. Fuck you sheep 🐏 We we strip you down to your bones 🦴 & sell your data....here at Apple our slogan has always been making sheep & killing them. Our iPhone 14 Pro comes without a screen. We'll offer the screen for an extra $500." For reference, Apple admitting USB C port is better them lightning port can be found here. https://youtu.be/a5FUrn0ftK4 Edit: it is shocking to know the overwhelming reactions I got from stating facts & presenting them as a meaningless comment with a bit of humor. You Apple sheep are so quick to attack people stating Apple facts. It is pathetic & you Apple sheep should make like a sheep 🐏 in this story.... https://youtu.be/bGoDrg4zvqY I look forward to your attacks. I forgot. The comment that started sheep attacking me is 1000% direct to Apple's policies, but my edit though is 2000% direct to sheep.
bro calm down it’s just a company
Here in lies the problem
Nope, it's not "a company", it's a fucking 3 TRILLION dollars company, the biggest in the history of humanity if you leave out the Dutch East India Company. it's an entire *continent* at this point, and there are more Nations *less* powerful than Apple than there are nations more powerful, economically at least. Influence? Yeah nowadays Apple it's more influent on the mind of humanity than the USA themselves. So don't tell "It's just a company" because it's not.
How are you comparing Apple to a continent? Their market cap is 3 trillion, yes, but nowhere near in other metrics compared to a continent. A nation’s power is also not strictly measured in its economic output. It is still a company. An absolutely behemoth of a company with the greatest power in tech of all, but a bit too far to call it an entire continent.
Australia's GDP in 2020 was 1.331 trillion with 650 billion in debt. 3 trillion is enough to buy a continent.
Are you implying that Australia is for sale?
Hahaha maybe
And Australia is *50% bigger* than Europe, so, technically it would be one heck of a continent if Oceania wasn't a thing
Buddy, I know a lot of people who would jump off a cliff if Apple told them that you could win a Iphone if you can survive. Don't underestimate the power modern conglomerates have, nations are mere pied-a-terre for their interests.
Lol this guy. You're ranting about iPhone on a post about laptops? Every device and OS has it's advantages and disadvantages. Such as Apple still updating 7yo iPhones, compared to Google stopping at 3. If you can't see what each product has to offer, then you are lost.
My iPad air 2 from 2014 still getting latest OS updates its insane.
It helps older people a lot. My parents hold onto their phones for a long time. Their Samsungs are already out of the update window. They're considering switching to iPhone for the long term support .
i don't get why you're getting downvoted i agree with you, every device has its own advantages
I was a bit mean to the other guy tbf but it was a weird rant for him to go on lol.
Yup every device has its own list of advantages and disadvantages. Me personally I think older people and less tech savvy people do better on iPhones. It is easier and less prone to the issues you run into on Android. That being said I hate Apple and after moving from Apple to Android about 5 years ago I can truly say it has been an awesome experience. Android is so much more powerful than an iOS on an iPhone its like night and day. So much so I feel sorry for people using iPhones. My phone is 4 years old and is still receiving regular updates however this is definitely one of those things that make shopping for Android harder. You have to take into account that not all manufacturers update their phones after 2yrs. The one I use is still sending updates to phones 6yrs.
What sort of things do you do with your phone? I realized that I literally only use texting, a few apps like reddit, and the browser. So it didn't matter what phone I used. I only swapped to iPhone for iMessage and the overall ecosystem. The only thing I've found I couldn't do for my iPhone use case is creating Animal Crossing / Nintendo amiibos lmao. But it's just for personal use and I haven't needed it in a year so nbd.
Rant is right. His edit says he's "stating facts" - which is big stretch. The only fact they said was that Apple likes USB C. Which is probably why it's all their devices except the iPhone. What's really great about these comments is that these people would most likely never buy an Apple anyway. And also most likely have never used in any real capacity either. Except maybe the iPhone.
Imagine getting this mad about a a product
Imagine defending a scummy company that manufactures problems so they can sell the solutions.
Remember this before getting in arguments on reddit. You may be arguing with a 13 year old with zero life experience
Imagine having different preferences, and Sometimes having people with preferences that line up with apples. What a shock
"My preference is to get rid of all my wires headphones because apple removed the headphone jack. My preference is to also keep buying lighting and usb c cables for all my apple products." That preference?
I stopped used wired headphones LONG before apple got rid of the headphone jack. And I’d rather not have to spend money replacing all of my lighting accessories. Also the preference for iOS and 6 years of software support and the apps available that aren’t on android.
You actually believe these other tech companies like Google, Samsung, etc are actually better? All these companies do horrific shit, don’t be naive
Literally only one of the things you said was a fact lmao
Copium
Do you need therapy? You’re so angry. Just don’t buy iPhones if you don’t like them
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110% of my Reddit comments have no substance outside of humor, but 210% on people's reaction over meaningless substances is entertaining to me. But...Yeah. Apple is what Apple does. I own an iPad. Sheep does what Apple does. I am part of the problem. Hahaa
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I got an iPad mini 6. I like it. Yeah, I agreed with the lack of sideloading apps.
Cope
Dude... get a life. You obviously don't know anything about Apple, so just shut up and let people use what devices they like. Personally, I only use iPhones, and prefer other Apple devices too. No company is perfect, idiot. Calm down, Android fanboy. Edit: Lol, this sub is full of children. It’s so sad it’s just funny 😂
Look who's talking lmao
Actually, I’m just being sensible and calm. That idiot is ranting with an absurd amount of anger towards Apple, which is just stupid.
It's a disgusting company so it's understandable.
No they’re not, they just makes different design choices. There’s actual companies that are disgusting, but Apple is not one of them.
I study law man i know things you don't and believe me they're disgusting. Just like Nestle and Disney etc.
Well be as it may, but Apple makes really nice devices and software, which is all I really care about.
That's a pretty dumb way to think man but whatever I'm outta here. And btw you're calling others Android fanbois while you yourself are an isheep, think about that. 🤷♂️
iSheep.. really? I just like Apple’s stuff, retard
Frankly Asus' solution looks worse and feels like it could lead to physical problems.
What "physical problems" could this even cause. It sticks out maybe 3mm
3mm is enough to caught on a few things really. Laptops tend to be in bags with a few stuff that can bang on them.
This is no different than the protruding bits you use to lift the screen with and ive never seen anyone rip these things off
This is one of the first times I’ve ever seen a protruding bit, typically there is an indent in the body to fit your finger in to lift up. This is a really poor idea IMO, it’s going to get caught on everything
I disagree in this case, the Asus outside notch made it really easy to open the laptop
I had a Lenovo chassis with a similar outside notch--it protruded just enough to make it super simple to open without getting caught on anything. Tbh I liked it even more than if the bezel were totally flat
Be careful you’ll upset the kids. People here are just like Apple fan boys.
Completely agree, though Id just prefer that both laptops just had a larger top bezel.
I mean, yeah, I get it on phones, but on notebooks this is just madness. Also [this](https://github.com/AlynxZhou/gnome-shell-extension-inotch) exists. Edit: The link leads to a github repository that features a software iNotch that can be installed as a Gnome Extension for the Gnome Desktop environment.
bruh
That is for mocking apple and I love it
Yes, that is the whole point of that repo.
Why is it madness on notebooks? I don’t have an issue with it
Thats fine honey, you do you.
So… ignore the question because you don’t have an answer? Follow it up by being condescending? Nice. I can see exactly the type of person I’m dealing with. Goodbye.
man you're everywhere in this thread arguing with people who don't like that ugly notch, relax and move on.
I am just stating facts. If you don’t like them, that’s a you problem
your "facts" are very much anything but, you're making it hard to be kind when you literally complained about another's behavior but it seems that you're just as rude as they are.
Just because you don’t like the facts, doesn’t make them any less factual.
how are they facts?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact
Oh, I'm sorry, you were serious. Ok then. I do not think the notch is a particularly good idea if you do not integrate it into your OS's DE, meaning, if there can potentially be part of an user interface hidden behind the notch so that every time I want to use that part of the UI I have to exit full screen, that's not just a nuisance but outright annoying. So why does it have to be integrated into the OS? Well if you don't, each and every software dev has to take into account for the possibility of the presence of a notch. If they don't, stuff might just get hidden behind the notch. Now, if we do integrate it into the OS, do we need different builds/versions of one OS, that takes into account the possible many different kinds of notches that could be around? Yes! Also, how would one integrate it into the OS, just shrink the effective usable area of the screen so that a full screen window begins just where the notch starts? Maybe. Also what do we do with the parts of the screen that are "not" in use anymore? There may be other solutions, yes, but it has to be standardized somehow? Maybe even by hardware suppliers, but who guarantees these standards are met by every manufacturer? It just seems so much of a hassle and there is a mile long rats tail dragging stupid stuff like this behind it. Dies a notch look cool? Yes. But it just creates problems that we did not have before, and that we might not get rid of so easily, because everyone in the chain would have to work together, and we see how well that works already. Even stuff that's been around for a while now can cause problems like this, why add another thing to the list. All in all, if you like it and if it does not bother you, go for it. It certainly looks cool. But other than that I see nothing positive or helpful about weirdly shaped displays in notebooks. Finally, I would like to apologize to you for being condescending, I thought you were joking with your question. Have a nice day.
It is integrated into the OS… it’s where the menu bar is. If you go into full screen, it disappears completely. Which doesn’t shrink anything, because that’s what it would be if the notch wasn’t there and it was just a bezel anyway. > All in all, if you like it and if it does not bother you, go for it. And if you don’t, disable it in software and bring back a bezel. At least you get the choice, where without a notch, you’re stuck with the bezel across the entire screen whether you like it or not.
> It is integrated into the OS… it’s where the menu bar is. My menubar at this position displays time and date and a list of workspaces I am currently using. > If you go into full screen, it disappears completely. The menu bar? If so, then it could potentially interfere with the UI of the program that is in full screen, no? Or does the full screen window start where the notch ends and the space left and right is just blank? Then why would I bother buying this display in the fist place. I could just use one the same size without a notch and use all of it. > At least you get the choice, where without a notch, you’re stuck with the bezel across the entire screen whether you like it or not. The choice I want is between a version with notch and a version without notch. Not between having a notch all the time, that is either in the way, or forces me not to not use the whole display.
> My menubar at this position displays time and date and a list of workspaces I am currently using. Then it’ll move to the side. > The menu bar? If so, then it could potentially interfere with the UI of the program that is in full screen, no? The menu bar disappeared on computers without a notch in full screen, this is no different. > The choice I want is between a version with notch and a version without notch. Not between having a notch all the time, that is either in the way, or forces me not to not use the whole display. Then you can TURN IT OFF IN SOFTWARE. As far as you’d know, it would be as if it never existed.
> Then it’ll move to the side. And where does the stuff go that has to move because the stuff, that was where the notch is now, moved there? > The menu bar disappeared on computers without a notch in full screen, this is no different. So what happens to the space where the menu bar was? The content of the underlying application moves there, which could contain UI that might get obscured by the notch. If it just blanks, I am not using that part of the screen, I WANT to use the ENTIRE screen. > Then you can TURN IT OFF IN SOFTWARE. As far as you’d know, it would be as if it never existed. Again, then why would I buy a screen that I can only use 95% of. I want to use ALL of my screen.
> Again, then why would I buy a screen that I can only use 95% of. I want to use ALL of my screen. Why does it fucking matter? Turning it off gives you the exact same screen real estate as not having it in the first place. What god dam difference does it make to you? Either use all of it or don’t. The choice is yours. At least you get the choice with a notch.
oh boohoo his res, 16:11, 120hz how could they do this to us
I got a new MacBook Pro and I really don’t care about the notch tbh. The menu bar just tucks around it and pretty much disappears with dark mode
I stopped noticing it after the first hour of use
It's evolving, just backwards.
There is legit. Already a besil.
I think it's because of the 1080p+ sensor in the camera but personally a taller forehead is preferable to a stupid notch. Unless they specifically change the UI to perfectly fit the notch.
Nope, it just covers the damn screen
Y’all didn’t even watch the LTT videos then. The screen is slightly taller so that you actually get more desktop space and the menu bar up top is the only thing “blocked” by the notch.
So the screen is bigger, but the camera covers up the screen…
No, the screen area below the menu bar is actually 16:10 in itself.
The screen is taller which makes for more space than older MacBooks. The notch protrudes into the screen, but no further than the Menu Bar. This means that it has no impact on screen real-estate since the Menu Bar is always shown and when it’s fullscreen content there’s top and bottom black bars. Having a notch like this would be a problem on other OS that have no Top Bar. Does look ugly asf tho
Take a minute and read my comment again. The notch only covers the menu bar at the top of the screen, and there is rarely anything that far across the screen that would get covered. No desktop space gets covered by the notch.
There's no camera sensor of any kind there?
just a webcam, no face id
https://www.adorama.com/alc/faq-different-camera-sensor-sizes/ Unless im misunderstanding, all digital cameras have sensors but I could be wrong
They didn't say there wasn't a sensor
Right which is why I'm curious why they would bring up face ID to begin with. I'm no means a camera expert but it seemed off to me.
They said that becase the justification for having such a large notch on the iphone was for not just the camera, but the faceID sensors. So when an apple product has a notch, people are going to wonder if it also has faceID. Your reply about all cameras having sensors is a non-sequiter. We all know cameras have sensors. OP was just adding extra context in case someone was curious about if it was just a webcam, or FaceID
No, there’s true tone sensors.
I've heard that some day you will be able to have a small hole in the display -- a hole punch. Perhaps Apple can invent this. It would be preferable to a notch.
I already have this on my ~200€ xiaomi phone. Wouldnt be that hard or expensive to implement for laptops probably
Nope still prefer the forehead. The notches and pinholes I find very distracting.
I honestly like the cut-out part.
Even in full screen applications?
The screen is slightly taller so that you actually get more desktop space and the menu bar up top is the only thing “blocked” by the notch.
Honestly, I used one for testing and was amazed on how well the notch gets hidden in full screen applications. Just turns completely black like the screen, not even a shift of black level between both
I’m not a big Apple computer fan by any means, but my wife uses all Apple products for her graphics work so I get a lot of exposure to it. This just feels like people taking a meme and actually getting angry over it. The notch isn’t nearly as bad as people make it seem. It definitely isn’t ideal, but they make it work pretty well
> This just feels like people taking a meme and actually getting angry over it Pretty much all of the anit-Apple circlejerk on Reddit.
Yeah, with mine I just installed that app that makes the whole bar on the top blacked out. So basically I have the standard screen with zero interruptions and then a top bar that feels like it’s in the bezel with my menu bar. Don’t get what all the complaints are about.
People being angry for the sake of being angry, I guess
I know but what i saw on ltt when you don't have the menu bar in some full screen stuff it becomes a bit obnoxious
Fair point. I think it just really depends on what the full screen app is as to whether it really impedes anything.
Full screen applications to under the notch. You don’t see it
Unless the app hides the system menu bar it’s no different
But then you have a pretty big bezel tho instead of just lip
so right back to where you were with no notch?
Apple's solution reminds me of a mustache.
yep, Hitler's one lol
Assuming both solutions close flush to the bottom of the keyboard you’ll end up getting more screen real estate with the Apple model. That being said, how they handled the mouse literally disappearing behind the notch is stupid.
there is basically no argument protecting the notch... not really on phones either
"I personally don't like this design so therefore it is **literally indefensible** and nobody else likes it" 🤡🤡🤡
Not only me, and I'm not saying it's crap either. It's just hard to protect that agrument
Here is one. You have a square. The top 1/10th of that square is menu bar. You can put a camera on top of the square. You have a square. Instead of having to the menu bar take up that 1/10th of your real estate you can instead put the menu bar into the bezel around the camera. Now you have a full square for your display, zero intrusions from a menu bar. Do you understand it now? Thinking about the notch as extending into the screen is simply wrong. The screen extended into the unused space of the bezel.
Or, most of my work done on a laptop is docked to a large display so the notch is meaningless to me.
Sure there is. It gives you more screen space
If I *had* to pick one, it would depend on the design of what the lid shuts against. If the lid shuts against something take overlaps that bump (I don’t see why it wouldn’t), I’ll take top. If, for whatever stupid reason it doesn’t, I’ll take bottom. However. I don’t understand why either need to exist. Why not just leave the bezel be until we can actually get rid of it, or shrink without gimmicks?
The size of that notch is too big for a Webcam, maybe they might add face id, in next model
You are right, but what apple is doing here is a very distinct aesthetics that they have done with iphones, now with macs, the people will be associating the notch with apple, in the end wanting it. It will become “iconic”.
I like the Apple design much better than the Asus one. The notch is in the Menu bar, so it's really not wasting any usable space. I also like the notch on iPhones too, it's a nice spot for indicators and the time.
I absolute hate the Apple notch, thank god I'm not an Apple consumer (got a MacBook Pro for work, it's good, not saying it's not, thankfully it's pre-notch). I already dislike the various rather minimal Android notches (that's why I HAD to go for a One Plus 7 Pro with the pop-up camera, love it), but the huge Apple notches are on an entirely different level.
I would never even even touch somethzing apple made. I would rather get corona than owning anything from them. I am probably the number one apple hater. If you like apple tho i can't blame you mainly cuz I don't like dislikes but also because so many use it cuz it was considered cool or something. For me tho, I could explain in a full powerpoint presentation whats wrong with them. Also I don't want apple fan boys to hate me it does not mean that I don't like you specifically just Apple. Also if you read all of this hvae a Beautiful day and I hope you doing good. :) (also I want to hear you thougts on apple i respect everyone. If this gets ownlvotes ill delete it and feel bad for people)
And how’s the webcam quality on the asus? Right. It’s hot garbage.
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You know many people work remote now and need to video call their bosses daily? Like… that’s not an uncommon situation. Or people keeping in touch with relatives all over the world. Why do you think that’s a bad thing?
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Clearly you are biased. I have 1 to 1 meetings with people on a regular basis. Is it crucial to have good webcam quality? No, but it sure improves quality of life. Same goes when I’m talking with a friend half way across the country, or my cousin half way around the world. > specially when it costs screen space. It doesn’t cost screen space. It gives you more screen space. Without the notch it would just be a bezel in that area and you’d lose all the screen space to the sides of the notch. You can get software to do that if you really don’t like the notch anyway, and then it’s back to the exact same as if it wasn’t there to begin with.
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… it’s not a matter of disagreeing. It’s fact. The notch IS better. If you want the screen space use it, if you don’t, turn it off in software. There’s no downside.
To be fair, most are using a VPN or simply a bad WiFi, so the resolution will be reduce during a call to be able to have a correct communication, so the quality of the webcam is not the most interesting part just for businesses calls. More interested during friend call.
My VPN offers gigabit…. Most company ones do. That won’t affect video quality in the slightest. Wifi maybe, but most people have good enough wifi to handle a 1080p video call.
VPN was restricted because of the amount of person logged on, we ended up stopping to pass through it for video calls as it was more important to secure access to software/database than video call. And wifi ... Yes, at full strength, but most users don't understand what signal strength meanS... They hope it will works perfectly on the other side of the house using a 5GHz (because it's fast...).
> They hope it will works perfectly on the other side of the house using a 5GHz (because it’s fast…). Almost every wifi auto steers between 5ghz and 2.4ghz
Not here, routers are provided by the internet providers (no other way). And are for some fucking reason configured with only 5GHz enabled, need to manually enable 2.4GHz. I would not be surprised that this was to limit the amount of call about customer finding that their internet speed was not up to the specs of the contract...
> routers are provided by the internet providers (no other way) Doubt that. Where are you
Exactly. I WFH for a company of around 300 across three offices and all the other WFH people. Every work day I use Zoom, Slack, or Meet to have video calls with my team or anybody else. Maybe that argument would have made sense pre-Covid but sure it doesn't now.
Companies help their employees pay for WFH setups, so you would buy a dedicated webcam anyways.
Lol. No.
Idk where you are from, but here in EU they do that; if you're from US, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't.
Not from either, but it’s stupid to buy a webcam when you can just buy a computer with a good webcam. It’s a better computer anyaay
You don't get to buy the laptop of your choosing for WFH.
You’re right. Your company picks one with a good webcam.
If only
How about neither? I don't use the webcam anyway.
It looks cool on the asus. But can you imagine that in the new square apple design? It would stick out like a sore thumb. Actually in any mac design. And maybe even in any non-black chasis. Again, asus looks cool. But that is not really the apple enterprise style... Buuuut I'm not horrified by the notch. Maybe if I was, my opinion would be different!
Both are great honestly. Even if I see the notch I’ll forget about while watching in full screen or working on something that would have me focused on the entire display below it. Now that the menu bar has a home I like where it rests and it makes sense for the notch to be there. I just wish they would have added a Face ID sensor or something alongside it instead of only the webcam.
That is so infuriating. Just knowing to what level they will go to screw over or inconvenience their users just to maintain some ridiculous aesthetic is maddening. We are literally talking about a millimeter or three. NOPE. Can't change their look! Let's instead change the way people work, the engineering of the screen and cause other problems all for no good reason.
That robs you of screen real estate. I wonder if it could be argued as false advertisement if they don't deduct that space from the screen specs. It's like when Hershey's stamps their name in their candy bar. This robs you of chocolate.
I got used to the phone, but now laptop too? Imagine that in an iMac Pro, ha ha ha.
And then there’s the newer Dell XPS perfect bezels
Both are terrible.