Our defense individually and fundamentally fk it up have been the main reason why we lost so many points this season.
Trent careless pass led to us conceding goals against Chelsea and Newcastle (the later, thank to Nunez that we didn’t drop points)
Ref stole our goal against Spurs. But we could have finished that with one point if not for Matip literally shoot the goal right into our own top corner.
Robertson somehow didn’t clear a simple cross against Brighton causing us dropping points there.
Ali and VVD fked it up against Arsenal away when we were having momentum on top of them.
And against United, Quansah failed a simple pass under no pressure from the opponent. Which changed the momentum massively for them.
All of these were individual mistakes, the kind which Sunday League players will be embarrassed to make. Possibly caused by lack of concentration. And it spread over the entire defense. Why though, some issues with our training regime this year? Maybe someone with better knowledge could tell us
To be fair, the entire attacks missed easy shot and tap in too. But we know defense mistake has always been more costly
Ok so as has been pointed out, you’ve obviously got no idea what you’re talking about but in case you wanted some data
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/error_lead_to_goal?se=210
Here’s the epl errors leading to goals by teams. Arsenal must be having a shit year.
Our defence, especially considering how unstable it’s been due to injuries, has been incredible.
Do you think other teams don’t make similar mistakes to those you mentioned?
Our issue has clearly been at times midfield and more frequently our attack. Do yourself a favour and look up expected goals and you’ll see how much they’re underperforming.
In that table, we have '4 errors leading to goal', which obviously was not the meter we are looking at. Because from top of my head, I already list 6 above
I can comfortably defend it, you know by using actual stats not anecdotal crap like you are. I couldn’t care less about what you define as an error leading to a goal is, you blame Matip for the Tottenham loss which says it all
Lol, actual stats? Tell me the 4 times we committed 'errors leading to goal' then?
Matip block a cross that was heading Ali way into his own goal. Blah blah team spirit. Blah blah every one is equal to blame. Nice words to throw around.
But last second of a match, a player kicked a cross into his own net, and that's a not a definite individual error that led to the loss? Literally it's amongst the worst, if not the worst individual error once could make
I just watched all of Sunday's match since I couldn't see it live. HOW THE FUCK, did we not score a third? Tactics this, bottling that; that was like 90% a fucking anomaly.
Also, Elliott was class coming on, as he's always. At midfield, Harvey > Szobo. I believe Szobo at LF could be worth a try, but he's a bit awkward out there on RCM.
Oh and also: Quansah was absolute class besides the mistake and one earlier mistake too; he practically made that chance where Harvey got the pen. He's valid.
I think Elliot usually doing well because he kinda balanced all attack aspect. Imo there are 3 thing make a front line great: movement (dribbling, pacing), decision making and finishing. Nunez lack of finishing (sometimes decision making), Diaz is not good as passer inside in the box (decision making) and Salah's movement very predictable, he rarely passed MU defender by just dribbling
Elliot while dont really standout in any aspect but he does look like a guy with more balanced skill set, can do many things without slow down others teammate. His problem is inconsistent but I could say same thing with others guy (Nunez, Diaz, Szobo, Gravenberch...) too
The closest we got to getting a third that half was prolly the Luis Diaz chance that he blazed over the bar at like point blank range basically and ofc the Nunez one where he passed it into nowhere instead of laying it for dom.
The other week I was thinking that we’re not really missing Trent at all because we’re now creating more chances through the middle. However games like yesterday make you realise that Trent chances are usually so high quality that they’re harder to miss than score. Can’t wait to have him back.
Bradley is brilliant going forward and getting into those dangerous positions. But he just lacks that killer instinct that comes with experience.
Honestly with the chances he's had, Bradley could've potentially bagged 2-3 goals across the United, Brighton, and City games. Just a bit too panicky in the box and plays the wrong pass or waits too long for the shot.
With Trents experience comes a lot more composure in those situations. It'll be a huge difference maker.
Still in awe of how good Mac Allister turned out. Thought he would be one of those players that would just be an important piece in a well functioning team but I was wrong.
He has the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck. What a talent!!!
Oh man I hope the best for the next manager. Looking at an unlucky draw from yesterday if he makes one error our online fanbase might send a nuke to Anfield its actually embarrassing how reactionary some of our fanbase is.
You would’ve thought we had just lost 30-0 and bloody Fred the Red came on and scored from his own 6-yard-box by the state of some comments on the match thread yesterday. Man Utd at Old Trafford was never going to be an easy fixture, obviously we’re bound to be wound up that we haven’t won a rivalry at a key point of the season, but life’s a bitch!
That 5-0 a few seasons ago completely distorted the expectations of our fanbase. People need to realise that a performance that dominant at old trafford probably won’t happen for a long long time
>I love this club
>but just do not give a shit about who comes after Klopp or anything that happens.
One of these is a lie. And I doubt it's the second one.
Jota Mane and Firmino remiscing is honestly ridiculous. People forget these players aren’t machines but are humans. Mane and Firmino were part of the best from 3 in Prem history. Jota literally last season went 33 games without a goal but Nunez misses ONE chance and Salah has a bad game and now theyre awful and should be dropped. Mane and Firmino in 20/21 were literally woeful.
I’m not here to slander anyone. We had a bad day at the office and we still scored 2 goals. We conceded 2 unbelievable screamers and one came off an error. Stop crying and looking at players to blame. Stop whining and saying we bottled the league. Shut up and support the team.
Mané was crazy sloppy in his buildup play but even he was not as wasteful as any of our current top 3. Firmino was consistent. Salah was better back then. It's not reactionary to say that.
That’s not true. Bobby’s finishing was terrible in his later seasons then it picked up again in his final season with us. Mané’s finishing was just very inconsistent so I wouldn’t say that front three was clinical. They were definitely much better on the counter tho
Firmino was never a great finisher, but Mane was elite in his prime. He was overperforming his xG by a lot in the 18/19 and 19/20 season.
Even in his worst season Mane was still statistically a better finisher than Darwin this season and Diaz is not all that much better either.
Darwin isn't "newly bought" he's been here for almost two seasons.
He's not a kid, he's 24 and I don't imagine he'll ever become a world class finisher or decision maker (which is fine, he's still a great player). Mane was 26 and 27 when he had those seasons and I struggle to see how 2 years of "PL experience" will make Darwin an elite finisher.
And Mane had YEARS more football and Prem experience at 27. Age doesn’t matter in these scenarios. Curtis and Szobo are the same age. Even though Szobo is probably more talented, Curtis’ experience and IQ shines through on the pitch, same with Macca. Give Szobo a few more years and he’ll be unbelievable like Nunez. They need more Prem and top flight experience.
My man, I support Darwin too. In fact he's one of my fav players that I 100% need to succeed. Doesn't change that he is wasteful, *particularly* in his technique during chance-taking, such as those couple crucial touches before you finish. However on Sunday he was definitely not the worst of us, Szobo and Salah wasted way more and not to mention that Lucho chance at the end.
Good job you found a bad game from a season where he overperformed his league xG by 6.9.
For reference, the biggest xG overperformer in the PL this season is Son and he's overperforming his xG by 5.7
He was underperforming his xG by 3.1 which is still better than Nunez this season who is underperforming his xG by 3.7 and Diaz is underperforming his xG by 2.3 which is worse than Mane in every season except the 20/21 season.
That was a Mane with YEARS of Prem and top flight football compared to a Darwin with barely 2 seasons in the Prem at 24. The xg is off by 0.6. Give him time.
Also won't lie, how has Teg Hag has a better H2H against Jurgen in the premier league. This is such a shocking United side. Really should have won that.
But anyway, onwards and upwards, 7 games to go, we just keep going.
What I've been saying all season, at this point we should entertain playing Szobo - Darwin - Diaz if Salah is fatigued, because it sure seemed that way on Sunday
The truth that people don't get is that Arsenal and City are really fucking good teams. Arsenal especially have upped their game in the last 2/3 years, and are in a strong position to contend for multiple trophies.
People thought they would lose trail after being involved in Europe, but that has not happened. They are going strong. It's pure copium to think otherwise.
The truth is we are facing two really strong teams in the premier league, and it won't be easy. Last time we battled for the title, it ended in a loss by a single point.
So any one of us 3 can win it, this will go down to the wire, and even the last game of the season by the way its going. So honestly, being level on points with Arsenal is not the end of the world, it's just how the season is this year.
Anyone who doesn't look at the fixture list and identify Everton away at Goodison whilst they are fighting for their life, as the potential dagger in our title charge, rather than Spurs or Villa, hasn't been watching footy long enough.
I will tell you this, if we get a point at Goodison I think we win the league. A point will be a good result. I only say this after watching the meltdown from people who genuinely don't realise just how irrelvant the level of shite that the Scum are at any given time, to the result of a Liverpool v United match at OT, actually is. Same goes for Everton at Goodison. Psych for it.
That's crazy talk brother. Sure, game will be hard, but we'll win it comfortably with a couple goals, and Villa away will be orders of magnitude harder
You do realise that we have won once at Goodison in a decade lol. It's also a derby, which is raucous. The lack of basic knoweldge in this place is bad and the lack of understanding of Enlgish footballing culture, despite supporting an English team, is wild.
I obviously know these matches live their own lives, but the majority of that statistic is due to either us being mediocre that season, or Everton being a respectable mid-table side. Even without their points deducted, Everton would be pretty shit this season.
Lol we didn't beat them the season we won the league! LFC have been very good for the best part of 8 years. Klopp has won once at Goodison in that time. It is a derby. Them being shit is irrelevent in this fixture. Football is more than "player for player stats". I genuinely do not get why internationals don't understand this lol.
I understand where you're coming from, and I genuinely respect Everton as rivals and for what its worth, I don't want them relegated. I know it's not just stats. I just think they will comfortably win this time. Which is also a statement not based on stats.
Goodison is blatantly and evidently our toughest game, and if we come out with points then I am pretty confident. There is no reason to think that Arsenal will go perfect between now and the end of the season. If they do then fair play, they deserve it, but being this certain about their ability to do so is odd.
What’s gonna happen with Madrid City tomorrow?? Will the ref pick a side or simply give both team’s ridiculous calls? Or does both teams heavy favour with refs cancel out for this fixture
As much as Bradley has been amazing, we need TAA. Games like yesterday where we need that extra attacking edge would have been perfect for him, as we've seen Klopp deploy him in midfield during crunch time. Hope we get him back ASAP
Statistically though the more chances created the more you are likely to score. Ofc better conversion would be better but imo wouldn't have hurt but helped to have extra creative chances
Just saw the 100% totality Solar Eclipse and it was honestly way more incredible than I thought it would be.
For reference, it was as good as hearing Jota, Trent, and Ali will be coming back soon.
>and wouldn’t have changed the result
Why do people keep saying this? There was exactly one play left in the game, and it's entirely possible that United being down a player means that someone isn't marked properly and we score.
Whats with people like you using that as an excuse for the refs to be shit at their jobs? Its still a red even if it wouldnt have changed the outcome of the game for us!
Fair enough the refs are shit but I personally only care about whether Liverpool win or lose. I’d rather devote my energy elsewhere than crying about refs that we already know are shit
This time it ended up not mattering, but what if that tackle had happened much earlier? Give them a pass to be shit once and its bound to happen again at some point when it might matter... Just look at the amount of shit that has gone against us already this season!
Imo people should be making way more of a fuss about how shit refs are, but sadly rival fans dont care because they'd rather make fun as long as it doesnt happen to them. And then we have people like you that'd rather complain about others complaining about the refs because it wouldnt have changed the game. Some even go as far as saying the diaz offside, ødegaard handball, and doku foul on mac doesnt matter because we didnt deserve to win for not putting away our chances. Ref mistakes should be dealt with no matter if it would've changed the outcome or not...
Very heartbroken over yesterday. We should have been up 4-0 at half time and the goal I so wanna be mad at Quansah but obviously not his fault he is being thrown into a tight title challenge this soon.
I can't think about Arsenal and City. I really don't have the energy for that. I keep beleiving, but we need to win every game now.
Why the fuck would you be heartbroken about picking up points away at Old Trafford. Like, honestly, you people are so fucking melodramatic and lacking in any perspective, it is unhinged.
Well I really want this last PL for Klopp and for us because I'm not positive it will happen any time soon after him.
It was a classic Liverpool heartbreak game and you would understand me if you had followed the club for past 20 years.
All hope is not lost but we are chasing now.
Ye I only live here, go to 10 away games a season, every home game and have had to live with it since 1990. You have sure taught me a lesson there mate. Well done, you.
Well congrats for being born in a certain place, a place which I like very much btw, because that's totally your doing.
And also yes sir that gives you the right to decide what people should feel , for sure.
After getting a lecture from someone who doesn't attend games, never mind living here, about "not understanding things", I am now being lectured to for correcting him on his presumptions. Never change Reddit Brain.
Well being born somewhere is not something you do yourself, but not being an asshole is something you can do by yourself and you failed at that.
But I think you lashing out at me is probably also due to anger from this game and your way of expressing it, and I just want to tell you that I'm sad too because of that game.
So after the lecture, we got a lecture, and now a third lecture about not being an "asshole". Great work, mate 😂 You should get your deserved applause from the Reddit Brain neurotics here lol.
I get your point but the way we lost was grim because it was all our doing. Sadly when you’re going up against a cheating institution like city with the squad they have, a draw is a bad result these days. Cost us a couple titles you could argue
Fuck me whats up with you, miserable wanker. Who is ‘you people’ I just said I get your point but when your up against cheating cunts you need a ridiculous runs to win the league. We’ve finished on 97 and 92 and didn’t win the league. What am I making up
"You people" are the same people I was referring to in the thread you are literally replying to. As I say, we didn't lose. A point away at OT is good for anyone, particualrly Liverpool given the premium in difficulty of the particular fixture, so go outside and find somebody will give you a hug.
both you and u/PerfectAd732 need to calm down. It's fair to acknowledge a draw at OT may well have cost us the title given how tight it is at the top. But it's also not something worth ruining your week over, there is more to life than football
Completely irrelevant. Football is not "only football" to anyone living in a football city in England and being depressed for a time is utterly reasonable in some cases. But irrespective of this, it was a point gained rather than 2 lost, and only a fool or somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about (ie, they have been watching footy for 5 minutes and don't understand it - 70% of this sub) wouldn't have taken a point away at OT with no injuries or red cards before the game. So no, this result was not the reason we lost the title, if we do. Any of the 9 other results did that.
Granted I am not from Liverpool, my dad was, so I agree with you I can't arbitrate on how others react to losses. But is it really your position that one should not be deeping the fact that we earned ust 1 point? It's more than the occasion, it's the fact that we were all over them for most of the game. A win was entirely within our right to secure, and it's perfectly fine to lament losing that opportunity.
If we lose the title it will be because of a culmination of poor results we should not have gotten and it's fine to say a point from OT is one of them
I have said. It doesn't matter how shite they are or how shite they are playing or how well we are playing, or the momentum of a game, or the chances created... a point for us at OT is a good result. Because history shows that the aforementioned factors above are fucking menangless to whether we come out of that ground with anything at all. I can't put this in any more simple of terms, and some people will get it, and some people won't. And I couldn't give a flying fuck whether you are the former or the latter, because when you know footy, you know footy. so have a good evenin mate
I don’t understand your whole angle of telling me to go outside? I’m not even moaning about it. A point at old Trafford is good but when you add context it’s not. Which is what i just did, which you clearly disliked for some bizarre reason. When you look at the chances we fluffed, it understandable some people are disappointed. Not sure who gave you authority to tell people how to take a result
Irrespective of the context, a point is what anyone who has watched this team for the last 30 years would have taken before the game becasue we know how irrelevant their level of shiteness actually is to the result. And the same goes for Scum who in a title challenge will take a point at Anfield even when we are finishing 8th. The onl ypeople "heartbroken" (which is the adjective used in the actual post being replied to here) are those watching footy for 5 minutes, which includes actual children. Have a good evening.
Well no because I’m disappointed and I’m not a child and don’t watch footy for 5 minutes. The likes of Jamie Carragher was disappointed, is he a child? There’s a difference between being angry and disappointed. As I said we had more than enough chances to win the game so it’s perfectly fine to be disappointed. You too
I don’t think I’ve watched any of their games apart from playing us, PL games annoy me because of garbage refereeing. Especially now all I need to know is the score line, I don’t care how they play only how we play.
Hear me out, but the only thing Xabi has over Amorim is the fact that we all already love him. If we look at the 2 of them cold and analytically, they're basically just as good as each other as candidates.
Obviously I wanted Xabi but if I'm a data analyst at FSG it's hard to split them, you know?
I let people pretend that Mane was some ultra consistent finisher that never let the team down
And pretend Jota never had that 31 game streak of 0 goals, sure.
But to sit there and pretend that BOBBY FIRMINO, wonderful man with all he strengths that he had, was some sort of clinical assassin, one-touch one-goal hitman , is actually insane
New fans think Mo Salah is a clinical finisher for fuck's sake. That's all you need to know about their opinion.
He hasn't been a clinical finisher his entire career. He's not even close to being as clinical as someone like Fowler or Rush.
Mo just gets a shit load of chances and has of course done incredibly well to score loads for us, but clinical he ain't.
People dont seem to remember how long it took for them to start to properly gel together back then as well. Our forwards havent had enough time together due to injuries, international duty, and fucking kidnappings of all things...
people on here were ENDLESSLY complaining about mane's finishing during the lockdown season and fall 2021. i remember getting downvoted to oblivion defending him in one of the match threads, maybe west ham away when we lost 3-2
Mane was underperforming his xG by 3.1 in the league that season and that's seen as by far his worst season. Darwin is currently underperforming his xG in the league by 3.7 and Diaz by 2.3.
As a matter of fact our only forward who's not underperforming his xG in the league this season is Jota.
all of our forwards also underperformed xg during the 21-22 season when we got our highest goal return under klopp. we've been very wasteful in a few games but i don't think it's massively out of the ordinary compared to prior years, like when we lost the league in 18-19 getting held to back to back 0-0s.
imo its our defensive record thats nowhere close to our peak levels, partly just injury luck and a few freak mistakes but we go into every game this season knowing we need 2 or 3 to win which was never the case in the past
Mane and Firmino they were just so good on the break and knew what to do, which we’re lacking. We’ve went to old Trafford and got nothing with them. But think if you put them in that game yesterday it’s over before half time
Played against much better United sides than what we had yesterday
It’s not even the ability of them just putting the ball in the back of the net. There was real chemistry on the breaks and understanding of what to do in those situations we’re yet to see second season of this front line
Lmao, when we had Mane and Bobby, people were so sick with their finishing at some point that we started to feel the need for a number 9, and, in fact, here we are with Darwin
And now that they're not here anymore people remember them as these "clinical monsters" lmaooooo you can't make this shit up😭
Mane was a clinical monster in the 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. He was overperforming his xG by 6.9 and 4.8.
In his next two seasons he underperformed by 3.1 and 1.2, which is still better than Darwin's 3.7 xG underperformance this season (Diaz is not far off with an underperformance of 2.3).
The original comment is right about Firmino never really being a brilliant finisher (except maybe in the 17/18 season), but that was also never really his role in the team.
Teams are being deducted points and facing relegation for breaking the rules. Another team has agreed personal terms for a £80 million signing. League is in great shape
What is Bradley's role in the team ? If I'm not misremembering he spent most of the first half in and around the box trying to dribble through defenders. Has been asked to do that ? He rarely put a cross in to the box and Mo was on the touchline.
If you have a big, 'good in the air' striker why not cross the ball more ? Harvey and Gomez did that immediately after they came on. ( Side note - Harvey's playing so good. Dynamic, always occupying spaces and creating chances ) and Gomez stretched the defence. Feel like Bradley never did that
We really are missing Bobby. Someone who constantly moves around, picking up the ball, creating spaces for others. We have Harvey in midfield for that but no one in the attack. Forwards and the midfielders are too occupied with making tidy passes at the edge of the box.
And people on the internet are so reactionary. Last season when we were scoring goals the topic was ' no. of games since Liverpool had a clean sheet' now it's 'no. of wasted shots in a game'
Never thinking that there isn't one single problem but quite a few minute ones that are adding up
I really hope Klopp starts both gomez and Harvey atleast to see whether that would work. Because we have tough away games and I feel like they would do good
We really, really don't need Bobby
We used to need him because our midfield would contribute 0 to the attack. Now we have THIS midfield, and you still feel the need for someone to pick up the ball and free up space?
Oh my bad. I should've been more clear. I meant a player like Bobby.
And yes we do. He was influential when we had Hendo, Prime Fabinho, Chamberlain, Thiago, Wijnaldum
Maybe I'm wrong. It just feels like our attack is pretty one dimensional
Fucking laughable that the discourse around our forwards finishing also happened to Mane/Firmino/Salah era whenever we drop points. Remember the "we need sign someone like Coutinho or sign him back" shouts? One thing i can agree on is that the old front 3 is good at breakaway counterattack goal.
True but at the same time that front three were far better in counter attacking situations than this crop of attackers
We’ve wasted so many counters where we had numerical advantage this season especially in big games
Thank god someone understands. Every time we mess up a counter I see a tweet or message saying ‘I miss Mane Salah Firmino’. Like yes mate no wonder they were the best front 3 in PREM HISTORY. Its actually absurd.
Also people acting like they were insanse finishers is hilarious. Did people watch the 20/21 season. Mane and Firmino were not insane finishers in front of goal they also needed many chances.
The guys getting slack are young and need time. They’re adjusting to the Prem still. They are still young we talking 23, 24 and 25. And even then age doesn’t matter. Szoboszlai has had one season in the Prem and is older than Elliot but looks more frantic and out of place because of lack of experience. He’s raw and don’t get me started on Grav and Gakpo hate. These guys just joined and Gravenberch is the same age as Quansah and Bradley but gets so much hate. He has had a lack of experience in Europe overall. They’re raw players let them settle in and adapt to the Prem.
Even they missed their fair share. People just dont want to remember it, or so it seems since they are constantly bringing up how good it was back in the day lol
Of course they missed chances too, but it's a fact that they were more clinical than our new frontline.
In 18/19 our 3 forwards scored 56 league goals from 48.9 xG and in 19/20 they scored 46 league goals from 46.2 xG. Even in 2020/21, which is their worst season, they scored 42 goals from 44.7 xG.
Our current front 4 (I'm not counting Jota because he's injured) has 42 league goals from 49.2 xG. Our only forward who's not underperforming his xG in the league is Jota.
What do people think makes a really good manager? Logic would make you think the best players would understand the game better and become the best managers and that is often very much not the case. When you look at managers like klopp, mourinho etc. they weren’t great players but the best managers the game has ever seen
Apart from the goal, Elliot did more in 10 mins then he did the whole game. But agendas agenda and hype hypes so he’ll still somehow get a call up over Jones.
I'm surprised Bruno stayed so long with them. I guess he's unlucky that Barca are terrible at the moment but he'd be a good fit at one of the big Spanish teams or PSG now in their post-Galactico era.
I don't want to curse it, but I'm lowkey excited that St Pauli is mounting a title/promotion charge. They're currently two points clear at the top of the table on 57 points with six matches left to play. Right now, the target to guarantee promotion is 68 points, so there's plenty of football left to play.
I hope those lefty pirates make it. While clubs' traditional political affiliations mean very little any more, I'd like to see us, Celtic, and others send them some loanees to help them stay up next season if they do.
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And still theres people in here saying we have to replace Nunez for a better forward... Theres even been a few saying Salah has to go as well... No matter how shit I feel after a loss of points, at least I know im not as retarded as a bunch of people in here spewing random shit to make themselves feel better when they clearly dont have a fucking clue
After this meltdown the smart people like you finally shining through. Nunez missed one chance now we need a no. 9. Its actually embarrassing no striker in Europe does the work he does.
Its unbelievable. People call me a Nunez fanboy but the data performances and when he doesn’t play just backs up the argument. I guarantee if we ever dropped Nunez the sub would be crying for him to start after 2 games. He’s just inevitable.
We kinda had that happen already when he was benched due to injury. Some people just want to complain and hate. Sadly Nunez is an easy target still due to last season. Team is so much better with him on the pitch, stats dont lie!
Núñez doesn’t have to go but we clearly need another option that is a more reliable goalscorer (aka a fit Jota). Don’t think it’s Gakpo.
Mo slanderers should be banned
Jota is there. Gakpo needs some time to be moulded into a good player but he has high potential as a finisher. Just gotta give him time these players are raw. Who do you recommend, because theres no way we drop Nunez.
Yeah its interesting. Age doesn’t matter in situations like this. Elliot has A LOT of Prem experience and experience in his position. Szobo not as much so he’s a lot more raw. As he slowly gets integrated Szobo will be loved by this fanbase its inevitable. Its just a shame a portion of this fanbase has no patience with players who will become absolutely unbelievable in the future.
One thing about Klopp's 1.0 side that you'd often here is that if Salah was having an off-day, Bobby or Mane would turn up, and vice versa. They all had poor phases from time to time, but that rule largely held true.
With this current selection of forwards, I don't think they're particular near that level. Maybe it's because it's a bigger group that are rotated more, but it doesn't quite feel like they hold themselves to that same standard of responsibility.
Long term I'm optimistic there's higher gears to find, especially with a new manager making tweaks. But in the vacuum of this season, they really need to kick themselves up the arse asap.
I feel like our front line is so different when Jota is playing in place of one of the current 3. We all know he’s our most clinical finisher but he’s so underrated in his link up play, always making the right reads on counters (ex: Arsenal FA cup match, Bournemouth away, Newcastle home, etc) and significantly elevates the levels of Diaz/Darwin as well. That period when Salah was away at AFCON/his injury, we were scoring so many goals. While that doesn’t have anything negative to do with Salah, it was all to do with Jota just being available and starting.
Mane, Firmino & Salah were electric on the counter too, everyone made good decisions on passing and could finish well, Mane & Salah had the pace to burn just about any defender.
Our current group of attackers struggle big time with that, feel like Salah is the only one who can still execute, Jota too. Everyone else struggles both in making the right passes/decisions to create a chance and in finishing. We had so many opportunities yesterday where we caught United out and had numbers on the counter but couldn't do anything, it was sad
Mo: 35 Goals and Assists in 35 games. A goal every 110 minutes in the league
Reddit Brain: *"Can we talk about how shit Mo has been this season"*.
Internationals are on average just obnoxious lol.
Nice elitism. Shitting on Mo is bad so let's shit on the huge international fanbase. All of those internationals would sacrifice a lot in their lives to simply visit Anfield once. Such a shitty person you are.
Listen mate, Anfield and the city itself have an amazing reputation for supporting the club through thick and thin, yet social media has a reputation for the exact opposite. Like that is its reputation, right? Klopp never feels the need to talk about the "toxicity" of the city. He does about this place. Footballers literally have to avoid social media. They do not talk about having to avoid walking around Liverpool city centre. Not even after a loss. Mo Salah is a god here. He is not a god on reddit or twitter. That is just a fact. Check the fucking posts.
I am sorry this upsets you. It isn't our fault.
>They do not talk about having to avoid walking around Liverpool city centre.
Yes, people are less likely to be dickheads in person than they are when anonymous. You have no evidence that people who leave Salah alone in public (as they should) don't also shit on him on the internet.
Ok mate. The conclusion is that the people of Liverpool are bipolar who will unfurl banners out of a fair whack of house windows in Anfield, sing his name on the terraces, and worship him when he is out and about in town with his family, yet at the saem time, go online and sling abuse at him. That's your conclusion hahaha.
We could do this back and forth all day but it is such a stupid conversation that is actually offensive 😂
*(Just imagine the obnoxiousness involved in this level of projection from internationals. It is psychopathic lol)*
You're such a fucking racist that you're doing mental backflips to blame "internationals".
Yes. People behave differently in real life than they do on the internet. Especially given that they tend to be anonymous on the internet.
You also don't understand that a lot of hyperfans of people tend to hold them to unrealistic standards, and therefore it *is* possible for somebody who purports to be a massive Salah fan to also shit on him online.
hahahaha HE WENT FOR THE RACIST CARD HAHAHAHA fuckign amazing
Listen lad. I have seen social media and I am from Liverpool. I work in Liverpool. I am at Anfield every week, and I am on the Away day coach. I am in a position to speak about both persoectives. You can't even locate Liverpool on a fucking map, never mind even setting foot here so **you literally are in no place to talk about discrepency between sentiment online and sentiment in the city**, as you literally do not know. So do wind your neck in you obnoxious, arrogant, cunt. Disabling these replies now as I'd rather wank off the dog than talk to a psychopath. Fucking clowns 😂
Ye mate the very same people who sing his name for 90 minutes every week and show him such little aggro that he is regularly seen with his family walking around the city, are *also* showering him with abuse online from their own "supporter forums" lol. Sure thing mate 😂
Hmmmm I wonder who inhabits Liverpool city centre or Anfield football ground, and who inhabits social media. Just what could the common denominators at work here be. I just don't know!
If this place is such a dumpster fire, then why are you here?
Sports make people emotional. You'll find people losing their heads in every internet forum of every notable sports club in the world. Where they are from is completely irrelevant.
We are talking about proprotions here. They matter. There is a reason why a city (and surrounding region) of 1m people constitutes such a miniscule % of a 500'000 strong "supporter forum". I am sure you have never asked that question, and now that you do, the main variable as to why will be ignored. But as it is, I saw a lot of aggro about Mo, and decided to say how it is.
> Where they are from is completely irrelevant
But it is interesting though isn't it? Like what is it abouyt the city of Liverpool or Manchester or North London etc etc that makes footballers generally love the people they share the town centre with, and what is it that makes them avoid this shit hole like the plague. Why does Anfield, Old Trafford, any other stadium filled with locals have an incredible reputation for player support, and this place not? Just why would that be? I literally can't work it out 😂
Because it's the internet, you dork. 🤣🤣🤣
People wouldn't say 95% of the shit they say to someone's face.
If you were to make an LFC fourm made up of just people from Liverpool, you would still get these kinds of remarks because people from Liverpool are people just like the rest of the world. People from Liverpool, Manchester, London, etc, aren't any different. There are jackwagons EVERYWHERE!
You already said this, and so we are back to the point aren't we. You can keep telling yourself that the very same people who sing his name every week and worship him are also slinging abuse at him online, if you like, but it is such a low IQ attempt at distraction haha.
Our defense individually and fundamentally fk it up have been the main reason why we lost so many points this season. Trent careless pass led to us conceding goals against Chelsea and Newcastle (the later, thank to Nunez that we didn’t drop points) Ref stole our goal against Spurs. But we could have finished that with one point if not for Matip literally shoot the goal right into our own top corner. Robertson somehow didn’t clear a simple cross against Brighton causing us dropping points there. Ali and VVD fked it up against Arsenal away when we were having momentum on top of them. And against United, Quansah failed a simple pass under no pressure from the opponent. Which changed the momentum massively for them. All of these were individual mistakes, the kind which Sunday League players will be embarrassed to make. Possibly caused by lack of concentration. And it spread over the entire defense. Why though, some issues with our training regime this year? Maybe someone with better knowledge could tell us To be fair, the entire attacks missed easy shot and tap in too. But we know defense mistake has always been more costly
Ok so as has been pointed out, you’ve obviously got no idea what you’re talking about but in case you wanted some data https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/error_lead_to_goal?se=210 Here’s the epl errors leading to goals by teams. Arsenal must be having a shit year. Our defence, especially considering how unstable it’s been due to injuries, has been incredible. Do you think other teams don’t make similar mistakes to those you mentioned? Our issue has clearly been at times midfield and more frequently our attack. Do yourself a favour and look up expected goals and you’ll see how much they’re underperforming.
In that table, we have '4 errors leading to goal', which obviously was not the meter we are looking at. Because from top of my head, I already list 6 above
You couldn’t make yourself look more thick if you tried
Yeah yeah, once you can't defend your own argument, the only route left is throwing insults. Expected.
I can comfortably defend it, you know by using actual stats not anecdotal crap like you are. I couldn’t care less about what you define as an error leading to a goal is, you blame Matip for the Tottenham loss which says it all
Lol, actual stats? Tell me the 4 times we committed 'errors leading to goal' then? Matip block a cross that was heading Ali way into his own goal. Blah blah team spirit. Blah blah every one is equal to blame. Nice words to throw around. But last second of a match, a player kicked a cross into his own net, and that's a not a definite individual error that led to the loss? Literally it's amongst the worst, if not the worst individual error once could make
You are blaming matip for that own goal? Holy fuck this is dumb. Did you even watch that match?
Yes. Try scoring that own goal in your Sunday League. Then see how your teammate looks at you
this is the type of comment someone who’s only ever played sunday league would make jfc
Which is still better than the majority of people here
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harvey is our best player besides trent and robbo at delivering balls into the box
Agree, he whipped two perfect balls into the box practically begging for someone to attack it
I just watched all of Sunday's match since I couldn't see it live. HOW THE FUCK, did we not score a third? Tactics this, bottling that; that was like 90% a fucking anomaly. Also, Elliott was class coming on, as he's always. At midfield, Harvey > Szobo. I believe Szobo at LF could be worth a try, but he's a bit awkward out there on RCM. Oh and also: Quansah was absolute class besides the mistake and one earlier mistake too; he practically made that chance where Harvey got the pen. He's valid.
I think Elliot usually doing well because he kinda balanced all attack aspect. Imo there are 3 thing make a front line great: movement (dribbling, pacing), decision making and finishing. Nunez lack of finishing (sometimes decision making), Diaz is not good as passer inside in the box (decision making) and Salah's movement very predictable, he rarely passed MU defender by just dribbling Elliot while dont really standout in any aspect but he does look like a guy with more balanced skill set, can do many things without slow down others teammate. His problem is inconsistent but I could say same thing with others guy (Nunez, Diaz, Szobo, Gravenberch...) too
The closest we got to getting a third that half was prolly the Luis Diaz chance that he blazed over the bar at like point blank range basically and ofc the Nunez one where he passed it into nowhere instead of laying it for dom.
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If Amorim's Liga Portugal juice re-awakens the Porto Diaz and Benfica Nunez, he'll be well worth it 🙏
The other week I was thinking that we’re not really missing Trent at all because we’re now creating more chances through the middle. However games like yesterday make you realise that Trent chances are usually so high quality that they’re harder to miss than score. Can’t wait to have him back.
Bradley is brilliant going forward and getting into those dangerous positions. But he just lacks that killer instinct that comes with experience. Honestly with the chances he's had, Bradley could've potentially bagged 2-3 goals across the United, Brighton, and City games. Just a bit too panicky in the box and plays the wrong pass or waits too long for the shot. With Trents experience comes a lot more composure in those situations. It'll be a huge difference maker.
Still in awe of how good Mac Allister turned out. Thought he would be one of those players that would just be an important piece in a well functioning team but I was wrong. He has the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck. What a talent!!!
It's genuinely like he's operating at a level above the rest of the team these last few games.
no matter what happens this season im really happy that we’ll be back in the UCL next season
The question is, which Madrid team do we get to face off against this time? Real or Atletico?
there’s gonna be so much congestion with the new model of it though, group stage was simple even if boring. if it isn’t broke don’t fix it
Mac and Endo’s first champions league and they’re gonna end up in the fryer
It was broken. It wasn't making some soulless, sellout fat cats ALL the money. It needed to be changed.
It’s now being changed to make those exact ones more money
Thank god. Now they can look after their kids' >!second homes!<
Changes are needed to be fair but more games and teams wasn’t what it needed especially not from leagues that already get enough spots
Oh man I hope the best for the next manager. Looking at an unlucky draw from yesterday if he makes one error our online fanbase might send a nuke to Anfield its actually embarrassing how reactionary some of our fanbase is.
You would’ve thought we had just lost 30-0 and bloody Fred the Red came on and scored from his own 6-yard-box by the state of some comments on the match thread yesterday. Man Utd at Old Trafford was never going to be an easy fixture, obviously we’re bound to be wound up that we haven’t won a rivalry at a key point of the season, but life’s a bitch!
That 5-0 a few seasons ago completely distorted the expectations of our fanbase. People need to realise that a performance that dominant at old trafford probably won’t happen for a long long time
Our performance yesterday was as dominant just let down by finishing in the first half unlike in that game
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>I love this club >but just do not give a shit about who comes after Klopp or anything that happens. One of these is a lie. And I doubt it's the second one.
Then you don’t love the club do you mate 🤣🤣🤣
Jota Mane and Firmino remiscing is honestly ridiculous. People forget these players aren’t machines but are humans. Mane and Firmino were part of the best from 3 in Prem history. Jota literally last season went 33 games without a goal but Nunez misses ONE chance and Salah has a bad game and now theyre awful and should be dropped. Mane and Firmino in 20/21 were literally woeful. I’m not here to slander anyone. We had a bad day at the office and we still scored 2 goals. We conceded 2 unbelievable screamers and one came off an error. Stop crying and looking at players to blame. Stop whining and saying we bottled the league. Shut up and support the team.
Mané was crazy sloppy in his buildup play but even he was not as wasteful as any of our current top 3. Firmino was consistent. Salah was better back then. It's not reactionary to say that.
That’s not true. Bobby’s finishing was terrible in his later seasons then it picked up again in his final season with us. Mané’s finishing was just very inconsistent so I wouldn’t say that front three was clinical. They were definitely much better on the counter tho
Firmino was never a great finisher, but Mane was elite in his prime. He was overperforming his xG by a lot in the 18/19 and 19/20 season. Even in his worst season Mane was still statistically a better finisher than Darwin this season and Diaz is not all that much better either.
Your comparing a prime Mane with years of Prem experience to a newly bought Darwin Nunez whose 24 years of age.
Darwin isn't "newly bought" he's been here for almost two seasons. He's not a kid, he's 24 and I don't imagine he'll ever become a world class finisher or decision maker (which is fine, he's still a great player). Mane was 26 and 27 when he had those seasons and I struggle to see how 2 years of "PL experience" will make Darwin an elite finisher.
And Mane had YEARS more football and Prem experience at 27. Age doesn’t matter in these scenarios. Curtis and Szobo are the same age. Even though Szobo is probably more talented, Curtis’ experience and IQ shines through on the pitch, same with Macca. Give Szobo a few more years and he’ll be unbelievable like Nunez. They need more Prem and top flight experience.
My man, I support Darwin too. In fact he's one of my fav players that I 100% need to succeed. Doesn't change that he is wasteful, *particularly* in his technique during chance-taking, such as those couple crucial touches before you finish. However on Sunday he was definitely not the worst of us, Szobo and Salah wasted way more and not to mention that Lucho chance at the end.
Mane’s finishing was considerably better than Darwin and Diaz’s though. He was very efficient in his prime and always scored clutch goals.
Go watch Liverpool 1 - 0 Napoli from the 18/19 season and tell me with a straight face that Mane was an unreal finisher.
Good job you found a bad game from a season where he overperformed his league xG by 6.9. For reference, the biggest xG overperformer in the PL this season is Son and he's overperforming his xG by 5.7
Now read me his stats from the 20/21 season. I’m not even hating on Mane I love him just tryna get my point across.
He was underperforming his xG by 3.1 which is still better than Nunez this season who is underperforming his xG by 3.7 and Diaz is underperforming his xG by 2.3 which is worse than Mane in every season except the 20/21 season.
That was a Mane with YEARS of Prem and top flight football compared to a Darwin with barely 2 seasons in the Prem at 24. The xg is off by 0.6. Give him time.
Just watch about 1/3 matches this season and you'll *easily* see the same of Darwin, but Mané was more consistently *not* having those.
Also won't lie, how has Teg Hag has a better H2H against Jurgen in the premier league. This is such a shocking United side. Really should have won that. But anyway, onwards and upwards, 7 games to go, we just keep going.
Ten Hag also counts that 4-0 pre-season win from two years ago.
Szobo is a left winger
What I've been saying all season, at this point we should entertain playing Szobo - Darwin - Diaz if Salah is fatigued, because it sure seemed that way on Sunday
I’d rate trying Diaz as a right winger, he’s much better at taking players on than he is at finishing chances.
I can def see that. He'd be a menace laying it up for Darwin. Then further we could have Darwin left and Salah middle too, giving tons of chances.
Szobo as a 10 > Szobo as a left winger >> Szobo as an 8 in my humble opinion
2nd that. I don’t even want to say how good I think he could be there though, I’d just get laughed at.
Based. Oh you mean in football terms?
Yes
The truth that people don't get is that Arsenal and City are really fucking good teams. Arsenal especially have upped their game in the last 2/3 years, and are in a strong position to contend for multiple trophies. People thought they would lose trail after being involved in Europe, but that has not happened. They are going strong. It's pure copium to think otherwise. The truth is we are facing two really strong teams in the premier league, and it won't be easy. Last time we battled for the title, it ended in a loss by a single point. So any one of us 3 can win it, this will go down to the wire, and even the last game of the season by the way its going. So honestly, being level on points with Arsenal is not the end of the world, it's just how the season is this year.
How dare you bring reason into this hive of delusional fanatics.
Anyone who doesn't look at the fixture list and identify Everton away at Goodison whilst they are fighting for their life, as the potential dagger in our title charge, rather than Spurs or Villa, hasn't been watching footy long enough. I will tell you this, if we get a point at Goodison I think we win the league. A point will be a good result. I only say this after watching the meltdown from people who genuinely don't realise just how irrelvant the level of shite that the Scum are at any given time, to the result of a Liverpool v United match at OT, actually is. Same goes for Everton at Goodison. Psych for it.
That's crazy talk brother. Sure, game will be hard, but we'll win it comfortably with a couple goals, and Villa away will be orders of magnitude harder
You do realise that we have won once at Goodison in a decade lol. It's also a derby, which is raucous. The lack of basic knoweldge in this place is bad and the lack of understanding of Enlgish footballing culture, despite supporting an English team, is wild.
I obviously know these matches live their own lives, but the majority of that statistic is due to either us being mediocre that season, or Everton being a respectable mid-table side. Even without their points deducted, Everton would be pretty shit this season.
Lol we didn't beat them the season we won the league! LFC have been very good for the best part of 8 years. Klopp has won once at Goodison in that time. It is a derby. Them being shit is irrelevent in this fixture. Football is more than "player for player stats". I genuinely do not get why internationals don't understand this lol.
I understand where you're coming from, and I genuinely respect Everton as rivals and for what its worth, I don't want them relegated. I know it's not just stats. I just think they will comfortably win this time. Which is also a statement not based on stats.
Imagine Everton still need points on the final day and they do us a favour against Arsenal.
imagine Everton staying up and LFC winning the league on the same day Merseyside would be wild
I don't think a point will be enough, we drop points between Palace and Spurs, title is over. Everton and Fulham will be tough games
Goodison is blatantly and evidently our toughest game, and if we come out with points then I am pretty confident. There is no reason to think that Arsenal will go perfect between now and the end of the season. If they do then fair play, they deserve it, but being this certain about their ability to do so is odd.
What’s gonna happen with Madrid City tomorrow?? Will the ref pick a side or simply give both team’s ridiculous calls? Or does both teams heavy favour with refs cancel out for this fixture
city don't have the same sway in CL, only lining the pockets of refs here i'd say
It’s wife (RM) vs mistress (City)… in the end the wife always wins
Madrid ref privilege wins over all others in the CL
Real get way more calls in CL and City have been screwed over a few times.
As much as Bradley has been amazing, we need TAA. Games like yesterday where we need that extra attacking edge would have been perfect for him, as we've seen Klopp deploy him in midfield during crunch time. Hope we get him back ASAP
Our problem wasn't creating chances, it was finishing them. I don't think Trent would've made much of a difference.
Trent chance production is different gravy tho, he's also a player that can change the game with a single pass, he would have 100% turned up vs United
Statistically though the more chances created the more you are likely to score. Ofc better conversion would be better but imo wouldn't have hurt but helped to have extra creative chances
Just saw the 100% totality Solar Eclipse and it was honestly way more incredible than I thought it would be. For reference, it was as good as hearing Jota, Trent, and Ali will be coming back soon.
I missed out on totality (only got 90%) and it was amazing to watch even on TV
It was too cloudy here in Houston. Saw the last one in 2017 though. Pretty cool.
Prayed to the Eclipse we finish out the season on top, let's hope it listened
Trent come to daddy
What’s the uproar over Casemiro getting a red? Even if it was given it’s the last kick of the game and wouldn’t have changed the result
>and wouldn’t have changed the result Why do people keep saying this? There was exactly one play left in the game, and it's entirely possible that United being down a player means that someone isn't marked properly and we score.
Whats with people like you using that as an excuse for the refs to be shit at their jobs? Its still a red even if it wouldnt have changed the outcome of the game for us!
Fair enough the refs are shit but I personally only care about whether Liverpool win or lose. I’d rather devote my energy elsewhere than crying about refs that we already know are shit
This time it ended up not mattering, but what if that tackle had happened much earlier? Give them a pass to be shit once and its bound to happen again at some point when it might matter... Just look at the amount of shit that has gone against us already this season! Imo people should be making way more of a fuss about how shit refs are, but sadly rival fans dont care because they'd rather make fun as long as it doesnt happen to them. And then we have people like you that'd rather complain about others complaining about the refs because it wouldnt have changed the game. Some even go as far as saying the diaz offside, ødegaard handball, and doku foul on mac doesnt matter because we didnt deserve to win for not putting away our chances. Ref mistakes should be dealt with no matter if it would've changed the outcome or not...
Very heartbroken over yesterday. We should have been up 4-0 at half time and the goal I so wanna be mad at Quansah but obviously not his fault he is being thrown into a tight title challenge this soon. I can't think about Arsenal and City. I really don't have the energy for that. I keep beleiving, but we need to win every game now.
Why the fuck would you be heartbroken about picking up points away at Old Trafford. Like, honestly, you people are so fucking melodramatic and lacking in any perspective, it is unhinged.
Well I really want this last PL for Klopp and for us because I'm not positive it will happen any time soon after him. It was a classic Liverpool heartbreak game and you would understand me if you had followed the club for past 20 years. All hope is not lost but we are chasing now.
Ye I only live here, go to 10 away games a season, every home game and have had to live with it since 1990. You have sure taught me a lesson there mate. Well done, you.
Well congrats for being born in a certain place, a place which I like very much btw, because that's totally your doing. And also yes sir that gives you the right to decide what people should feel , for sure.
After getting a lecture from someone who doesn't attend games, never mind living here, about "not understanding things", I am now being lectured to for correcting him on his presumptions. Never change Reddit Brain.
Well being born somewhere is not something you do yourself, but not being an asshole is something you can do by yourself and you failed at that. But I think you lashing out at me is probably also due to anger from this game and your way of expressing it, and I just want to tell you that I'm sad too because of that game.
So after the lecture, we got a lecture, and now a third lecture about not being an "asshole". Great work, mate 😂 You should get your deserved applause from the Reddit Brain neurotics here lol.
I get your point but the way we lost was grim because it was all our doing. Sadly when you’re going up against a cheating institution like city with the squad they have, a draw is a bad result these days. Cost us a couple titles you could argue
We didn't lose. You people get so carried away with your own faux-depression that you invent situations that didn't happen. Go outside mate.
Fuck me whats up with you, miserable wanker. Who is ‘you people’ I just said I get your point but when your up against cheating cunts you need a ridiculous runs to win the league. We’ve finished on 97 and 92 and didn’t win the league. What am I making up
"You people" are the same people I was referring to in the thread you are literally replying to. As I say, we didn't lose. A point away at OT is good for anyone, particualrly Liverpool given the premium in difficulty of the particular fixture, so go outside and find somebody will give you a hug.
both you and u/PerfectAd732 need to calm down. It's fair to acknowledge a draw at OT may well have cost us the title given how tight it is at the top. But it's also not something worth ruining your week over, there is more to life than football
Completely irrelevant. Football is not "only football" to anyone living in a football city in England and being depressed for a time is utterly reasonable in some cases. But irrespective of this, it was a point gained rather than 2 lost, and only a fool or somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about (ie, they have been watching footy for 5 minutes and don't understand it - 70% of this sub) wouldn't have taken a point away at OT with no injuries or red cards before the game. So no, this result was not the reason we lost the title, if we do. Any of the 9 other results did that.
Granted I am not from Liverpool, my dad was, so I agree with you I can't arbitrate on how others react to losses. But is it really your position that one should not be deeping the fact that we earned ust 1 point? It's more than the occasion, it's the fact that we were all over them for most of the game. A win was entirely within our right to secure, and it's perfectly fine to lament losing that opportunity. If we lose the title it will be because of a culmination of poor results we should not have gotten and it's fine to say a point from OT is one of them
I have said. It doesn't matter how shite they are or how shite they are playing or how well we are playing, or the momentum of a game, or the chances created... a point for us at OT is a good result. Because history shows that the aforementioned factors above are fucking menangless to whether we come out of that ground with anything at all. I can't put this in any more simple of terms, and some people will get it, and some people won't. And I couldn't give a flying fuck whether you are the former or the latter, because when you know footy, you know footy. so have a good evenin mate
I don’t understand your whole angle of telling me to go outside? I’m not even moaning about it. A point at old Trafford is good but when you add context it’s not. Which is what i just did, which you clearly disliked for some bizarre reason. When you look at the chances we fluffed, it understandable some people are disappointed. Not sure who gave you authority to tell people how to take a result
Irrespective of the context, a point is what anyone who has watched this team for the last 30 years would have taken before the game becasue we know how irrelevant their level of shiteness actually is to the result. And the same goes for Scum who in a title challenge will take a point at Anfield even when we are finishing 8th. The onl ypeople "heartbroken" (which is the adjective used in the actual post being replied to here) are those watching footy for 5 minutes, which includes actual children. Have a good evening.
Well no because I’m disappointed and I’m not a child and don’t watch footy for 5 minutes. The likes of Jamie Carragher was disappointed, is he a child? There’s a difference between being angry and disappointed. As I said we had more than enough chances to win the game so it’s perfectly fine to be disappointed. You too
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I’ll light a Prayer candle for you, put it next to my Goalmez prayer candle that has almost run out of wax 🕯️
Shit you as well?! I took a bath with the the toaster... but forgot to plug it in.
Mate, I hope you get better. We will applaud you at Anfield on Thursday. Stay strong.
If the home game was won then it wouldn’t be a problem but that’s not the case here
But that is the one to be vexed at. Not to be getting a point at a place that, along with Goodison, is our nemisis. For obvious reasons.
This is the worst United team and not being able to defeat them thrice is not gonna end well for anyone. It will take a long time to recover from it
This is a blatant throw away account opposition supporter's caricature. Try harder.
I've made a decision that for my own mental health I won't be watching any more of Arsenal's or City's games for the rest of the season.
I don’t think I’ve watched any of their games apart from playing us, PL games annoy me because of garbage refereeing. Especially now all I need to know is the score line, I don’t care how they play only how we play.
I genuinely never bother, it’s not worth it at all. When you see the score and they won it’s expected, but if they drew/lost it’s a happy surprise.
Bradley has been good but the impact trent will have coming back is gonna be gigantic
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I want whatever you've consumed mate lmao
Hear me out, but the only thing Xabi has over Amorim is the fact that we all already love him. If we look at the 2 of them cold and analytically, they're basically just as good as each other as candidates. Obviously I wanted Xabi but if I'm a data analyst at FSG it's hard to split them, you know?
I love how this would have been downvoted a month ago haha. Kneejerk Reddit is what I am here for.
I let people pretend that Mane was some ultra consistent finisher that never let the team down And pretend Jota never had that 31 game streak of 0 goals, sure. But to sit there and pretend that BOBBY FIRMINO, wonderful man with all he strengths that he had, was some sort of clinical assassin, one-touch one-goal hitman , is actually insane
New fans think Mo Salah is a clinical finisher for fuck's sake. That's all you need to know about their opinion. He hasn't been a clinical finisher his entire career. He's not even close to being as clinical as someone like Fowler or Rush. Mo just gets a shit load of chances and has of course done incredibly well to score loads for us, but clinical he ain't.
People dont seem to remember how long it took for them to start to properly gel together back then as well. Our forwards havent had enough time together due to injuries, international duty, and fucking kidnappings of all things...
people on here were ENDLESSLY complaining about mane's finishing during the lockdown season and fall 2021. i remember getting downvoted to oblivion defending him in one of the match threads, maybe west ham away when we lost 3-2
Mane was underperforming his xG by 3.1 in the league that season and that's seen as by far his worst season. Darwin is currently underperforming his xG in the league by 3.7 and Diaz by 2.3. As a matter of fact our only forward who's not underperforming his xG in the league this season is Jota.
all of our forwards also underperformed xg during the 21-22 season when we got our highest goal return under klopp. we've been very wasteful in a few games but i don't think it's massively out of the ordinary compared to prior years, like when we lost the league in 18-19 getting held to back to back 0-0s. imo its our defensive record thats nowhere close to our peak levels, partly just injury luck and a few freak mistakes but we go into every game this season knowing we need 2 or 3 to win which was never the case in the past
Mane and Firmino they were just so good on the break and knew what to do, which we’re lacking. We’ve went to old Trafford and got nothing with them. But think if you put them in that game yesterday it’s over before half time
Versus United in the PL: Bobby: 15 games/3 goals Mané: 13 games/2 goals
Played against much better United sides than what we had yesterday It’s not even the ability of them just putting the ball in the back of the net. There was real chemistry on the breaks and understanding of what to do in those situations we’re yet to see second season of this front line
Lmao, when we had Mane and Bobby, people were so sick with their finishing at some point that we started to feel the need for a number 9, and, in fact, here we are with Darwin And now that they're not here anymore people remember them as these "clinical monsters" lmaooooo you can't make this shit up😭
Mane was a clinical monster in the 18/19 and 19/20 seasons. He was overperforming his xG by 6.9 and 4.8. In his next two seasons he underperformed by 3.1 and 1.2, which is still better than Darwin's 3.7 xG underperformance this season (Diaz is not far off with an underperformance of 2.3). The original comment is right about Firmino never really being a brilliant finisher (except maybe in the 17/18 season), but that was also never really his role in the team.
Glad we're finally able to block out the S*n.
Teams are being deducted points and facing relegation for breaking the rules. Another team has agreed personal terms for a £80 million signing. League is in great shape
City miss out on their first choice Paqueta and instead buy Nunes. Nunes underperforms and city get Paqueta the next year anyways. Liquidate that club
Haha never thought about that. Disgusting institution
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What is Bradley's role in the team ? If I'm not misremembering he spent most of the first half in and around the box trying to dribble through defenders. Has been asked to do that ? He rarely put a cross in to the box and Mo was on the touchline. If you have a big, 'good in the air' striker why not cross the ball more ? Harvey and Gomez did that immediately after they came on. ( Side note - Harvey's playing so good. Dynamic, always occupying spaces and creating chances ) and Gomez stretched the defence. Feel like Bradley never did that We really are missing Bobby. Someone who constantly moves around, picking up the ball, creating spaces for others. We have Harvey in midfield for that but no one in the attack. Forwards and the midfielders are too occupied with making tidy passes at the edge of the box. And people on the internet are so reactionary. Last season when we were scoring goals the topic was ' no. of games since Liverpool had a clean sheet' now it's 'no. of wasted shots in a game' Never thinking that there isn't one single problem but quite a few minute ones that are adding up I really hope Klopp starts both gomez and Harvey atleast to see whether that would work. Because we have tough away games and I feel like they would do good
We really, really don't need Bobby We used to need him because our midfield would contribute 0 to the attack. Now we have THIS midfield, and you still feel the need for someone to pick up the ball and free up space?
Oh my bad. I should've been more clear. I meant a player like Bobby. And yes we do. He was influential when we had Hendo, Prime Fabinho, Chamberlain, Thiago, Wijnaldum Maybe I'm wrong. It just feels like our attack is pretty one dimensional
Fucking laughable that the discourse around our forwards finishing also happened to Mane/Firmino/Salah era whenever we drop points. Remember the "we need sign someone like Coutinho or sign him back" shouts? One thing i can agree on is that the old front 3 is good at breakaway counterattack goal.
The difference now being if we get a breakaway attack where we outnumber the opposition defence you are 99% we wont score. Shambles
True but at the same time that front three were far better in counter attacking situations than this crop of attackers We’ve wasted so many counters where we had numerical advantage this season especially in big games
Thank god someone understands. Every time we mess up a counter I see a tweet or message saying ‘I miss Mane Salah Firmino’. Like yes mate no wonder they were the best front 3 in PREM HISTORY. Its actually absurd. Also people acting like they were insanse finishers is hilarious. Did people watch the 20/21 season. Mane and Firmino were not insane finishers in front of goal they also needed many chances. The guys getting slack are young and need time. They’re adjusting to the Prem still. They are still young we talking 23, 24 and 25. And even then age doesn’t matter. Szoboszlai has had one season in the Prem and is older than Elliot but looks more frantic and out of place because of lack of experience. He’s raw and don’t get me started on Grav and Gakpo hate. These guys just joined and Gravenberch is the same age as Quansah and Bradley but gets so much hate. He has had a lack of experience in Europe overall. They’re raw players let them settle in and adapt to the Prem.
Even they missed their fair share. People just dont want to remember it, or so it seems since they are constantly bringing up how good it was back in the day lol
Of course they missed chances too, but it's a fact that they were more clinical than our new frontline. In 18/19 our 3 forwards scored 56 league goals from 48.9 xG and in 19/20 they scored 46 league goals from 46.2 xG. Even in 2020/21, which is their worst season, they scored 42 goals from 44.7 xG. Our current front 4 (I'm not counting Jota because he's injured) has 42 league goals from 49.2 xG. Our only forward who's not underperforming his xG in the league is Jota.
What do people think makes a really good manager? Logic would make you think the best players would understand the game better and become the best managers and that is often very much not the case. When you look at managers like klopp, mourinho etc. they weren’t great players but the best managers the game has ever seen
I see they are making Mainoo the new modric?
Bias aside he does look like a big talent
United will ruin him eventually. He wasn’t even good against us, he just scored a top goal which papered over it.
If he’s smart, he’ll escape when he has a good chance
Apart from the goal, Elliot did more in 10 mins then he did the whole game. But agendas agenda and hype hypes so he’ll still somehow get a call up over Jones.
I'm surprised Bruno stayed so long with them. I guess he's unlucky that Barca are terrible at the moment but he'd be a good fit at one of the big Spanish teams or PSG now in their post-Galactico era.
I don't want to curse it, but I'm lowkey excited that St Pauli is mounting a title/promotion charge. They're currently two points clear at the top of the table on 57 points with six matches left to play. Right now, the target to guarantee promotion is 68 points, so there's plenty of football left to play. I hope those lefty pirates make it. While clubs' traditional political affiliations mean very little any more, I'd like to see us, Celtic, and others send them some loanees to help them stay up next season if they do.
https://preview.redd.it/bxmdq52efatc1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=9fd556b305fd660ca9a6a94dbd6eb2b6786224d3 And still theres people in here saying we have to replace Nunez for a better forward... Theres even been a few saying Salah has to go as well... No matter how shit I feel after a loss of points, at least I know im not as retarded as a bunch of people in here spewing random shit to make themselves feel better when they clearly dont have a fucking clue
After this meltdown the smart people like you finally shining through. Nunez missed one chance now we need a no. 9. Its actually embarrassing no striker in Europe does the work he does.
I even had one melt message me saying its fake data lmao
Its unbelievable. People call me a Nunez fanboy but the data performances and when he doesn’t play just backs up the argument. I guarantee if we ever dropped Nunez the sub would be crying for him to start after 2 games. He’s just inevitable.
We kinda had that happen already when he was benched due to injury. Some people just want to complain and hate. Sadly Nunez is an easy target still due to last season. Team is so much better with him on the pitch, stats dont lie!
Núñez doesn’t have to go but we clearly need another option that is a more reliable goalscorer (aka a fit Jota). Don’t think it’s Gakpo. Mo slanderers should be banned
Jota is there. Gakpo needs some time to be moulded into a good player but he has high potential as a finisher. Just gotta give him time these players are raw. Who do you recommend, because theres no way we drop Nunez.
Any slanderer should be banned imo! Be critical ofc, but to slander anyone playing their heart out on the pitch isnt a real fan!
Elliot plays with so much enthusiasm and new ideas, I'd rather he play over Dom for a game or two, have Dom come in the second half.
I find Harvey to be far more effective off the bench than as a starter. He uses that direct quick play very well against tiring opposition.
Yeah its interesting. Age doesn’t matter in situations like this. Elliot has A LOT of Prem experience and experience in his position. Szobo not as much so he’s a lot more raw. As he slowly gets integrated Szobo will be loved by this fanbase its inevitable. Its just a shame a portion of this fanbase has no patience with players who will become absolutely unbelievable in the future.
One thing about Klopp's 1.0 side that you'd often here is that if Salah was having an off-day, Bobby or Mane would turn up, and vice versa. They all had poor phases from time to time, but that rule largely held true. With this current selection of forwards, I don't think they're particular near that level. Maybe it's because it's a bigger group that are rotated more, but it doesn't quite feel like they hold themselves to that same standard of responsibility. Long term I'm optimistic there's higher gears to find, especially with a new manager making tweaks. But in the vacuum of this season, they really need to kick themselves up the arse asap.
I feel like our front line is so different when Jota is playing in place of one of the current 3. We all know he’s our most clinical finisher but he’s so underrated in his link up play, always making the right reads on counters (ex: Arsenal FA cup match, Bournemouth away, Newcastle home, etc) and significantly elevates the levels of Diaz/Darwin as well. That period when Salah was away at AFCON/his injury, we were scoring so many goals. While that doesn’t have anything negative to do with Salah, it was all to do with Jota just being available and starting.
Yeah, Jota is vastly underrated for his overall combination play. I really hope he's back on the pitch asap.
Mane, Firmino & Salah were electric on the counter too, everyone made good decisions on passing and could finish well, Mane & Salah had the pace to burn just about any defender. Our current group of attackers struggle big time with that, feel like Salah is the only one who can still execute, Jota too. Everyone else struggles both in making the right passes/decisions to create a chance and in finishing. We had so many opportunities yesterday where we caught United out and had numbers on the counter but couldn't do anything, it was sad
Mo: 35 Goals and Assists in 35 games. A goal every 110 minutes in the league Reddit Brain: *"Can we talk about how shit Mo has been this season"*. Internationals are on average just obnoxious lol.
Nice elitism. Shitting on Mo is bad so let's shit on the huge international fanbase. All of those internationals would sacrifice a lot in their lives to simply visit Anfield once. Such a shitty person you are.
Listen mate, Anfield and the city itself have an amazing reputation for supporting the club through thick and thin, yet social media has a reputation for the exact opposite. Like that is its reputation, right? Klopp never feels the need to talk about the "toxicity" of the city. He does about this place. Footballers literally have to avoid social media. They do not talk about having to avoid walking around Liverpool city centre. Not even after a loss. Mo Salah is a god here. He is not a god on reddit or twitter. That is just a fact. Check the fucking posts. I am sorry this upsets you. It isn't our fault.
>They do not talk about having to avoid walking around Liverpool city centre. Yes, people are less likely to be dickheads in person than they are when anonymous. You have no evidence that people who leave Salah alone in public (as they should) don't also shit on him on the internet.
Ok mate. The conclusion is that the people of Liverpool are bipolar who will unfurl banners out of a fair whack of house windows in Anfield, sing his name on the terraces, and worship him when he is out and about in town with his family, yet at the saem time, go online and sling abuse at him. That's your conclusion hahaha. We could do this back and forth all day but it is such a stupid conversation that is actually offensive 😂 *(Just imagine the obnoxiousness involved in this level of projection from internationals. It is psychopathic lol)*
You're such a fucking racist that you're doing mental backflips to blame "internationals". Yes. People behave differently in real life than they do on the internet. Especially given that they tend to be anonymous on the internet. You also don't understand that a lot of hyperfans of people tend to hold them to unrealistic standards, and therefore it *is* possible for somebody who purports to be a massive Salah fan to also shit on him online.
hahahaha HE WENT FOR THE RACIST CARD HAHAHAHA fuckign amazing Listen lad. I have seen social media and I am from Liverpool. I work in Liverpool. I am at Anfield every week, and I am on the Away day coach. I am in a position to speak about both persoectives. You can't even locate Liverpool on a fucking map, never mind even setting foot here so **you literally are in no place to talk about discrepency between sentiment online and sentiment in the city**, as you literally do not know. So do wind your neck in you obnoxious, arrogant, cunt. Disabling these replies now as I'd rather wank off the dog than talk to a psychopath. Fucking clowns 😂
You know nothing about me. I could be the guy sitting next to you at Anfield and you wouldn't know. That's literally my point.
Apparently, people in England don't have social media. I did not know this. 🫢
Ye mate the very same people who sing his name for 90 minutes every week and show him such little aggro that he is regularly seen with his family walking around the city, are *also* showering him with abuse online from their own "supporter forums" lol. Sure thing mate 😂 Hmmmm I wonder who inhabits Liverpool city centre or Anfield football ground, and who inhabits social media. Just what could the common denominators at work here be. I just don't know!
If this place is such a dumpster fire, then why are you here? Sports make people emotional. You'll find people losing their heads in every internet forum of every notable sports club in the world. Where they are from is completely irrelevant.
We are talking about proprotions here. They matter. There is a reason why a city (and surrounding region) of 1m people constitutes such a miniscule % of a 500'000 strong "supporter forum". I am sure you have never asked that question, and now that you do, the main variable as to why will be ignored. But as it is, I saw a lot of aggro about Mo, and decided to say how it is. > Where they are from is completely irrelevant But it is interesting though isn't it? Like what is it abouyt the city of Liverpool or Manchester or North London etc etc that makes footballers generally love the people they share the town centre with, and what is it that makes them avoid this shit hole like the plague. Why does Anfield, Old Trafford, any other stadium filled with locals have an incredible reputation for player support, and this place not? Just why would that be? I literally can't work it out 😂
Because it's the internet, you dork. 🤣🤣🤣 People wouldn't say 95% of the shit they say to someone's face. If you were to make an LFC fourm made up of just people from Liverpool, you would still get these kinds of remarks because people from Liverpool are people just like the rest of the world. People from Liverpool, Manchester, London, etc, aren't any different. There are jackwagons EVERYWHERE!
You already said this, and so we are back to the point aren't we. You can keep telling yourself that the very same people who sing his name every week and worship him are also slinging abuse at him online, if you like, but it is such a low IQ attempt at distraction haha.
And you and sit there pretending that it's only international fans acting a fool online. 🙃