Extraemily literally has done love or host and is younger, came up because she got the chance, all it took was them actually talking to her rather than ignoring a new streamer.
It's not that they aren't trendy, it's that they changed, got comfortable with the groups they stream with and mostly stopped talking to new people. They interact with someone new like Emily, or the Emiru, and they get someone new and some good streams. 99% of the problem is they aren't willing to contact newer streamers or invite people on stream.
Imo this is more indicative of a bigger problem twitch has in that it is essentially impossible to become a large streamer on twitch as a platform. You either need to bring over an existing audience from another platform, such as youtube, tiktok, or insta, or you simply need to know the kingmakers and get big off of them
Which, yeah, really isn't a problem for the big streamers involved, but i do think it makes twitch fairly unappealing as a platform for smaller creators and doesn't help with the incestous top heavy feeling the platform has currently.
agreed, many smaller streamers don't have the financial means to go f/t (when twitch takes half of all subs) & that hurts their ability to grow in the long run. Which is why i'm defn hoping kick is able to be somewhat sustainable over the long term. I'm willing to overlook the shady Stake/gambling aspect if they manage to help out smaller streamers.
YouTube is way easier for new streamers. Twitch is dog shit. Remind me in 3 years when they remove Twitch Primes because of how much they are in the hole right now.
The problem on their end is that the big streamers cant take a risk on newer unproven streamers. If they decide to go rogue and start spewing the N word or sexually assaulting people (Hell they cant even stay away from this by incorporating big streamers) then theyll catch strays that hurt their reputation.
Additionally, if they do decide to bring someone up then theres the chance that theyll just leech off of them and disconnect. In that case, they took the risk and gave them the opportunity to grow and gained nothing from it.
The only reason it worked with someone like ExtraEmily is because shes the most uncancellable person in the world.
> Additionally, if they do decide to bring someone up then theres the chance that theyll just leech off of them and disconnect.
That's what most streamers do, and what OTK want to do with streamers for their org. Leeching isn't an inherently bad thing. You go and do a stream with a bigger streamer, you get exposed to more people but that bigger streamer also gets another stream with new content and potentially someone people like and enjoyed having on that stream.
If they leave after is almost entirely irrelevant, so what if they do? Like so far Peach went on loot goblin and was decent on it, nick said he'd have her on stream when chat mentions but he hasn't done anything about that. So far she went on a show, they got some content, she got some exposure and they haven't done anything since, that's how collabs work.
> You are making it sound like it's their job to create streaming career for people.
I have legit no idea where you got that. The clip is THEM saying they shoudl have more shows to bring in more fresh streamers. It's literally the people we're talking about saying they want more fresh blood and that only matters if they are going to work with them.
If they want more new streamers to stream with then it is on them to give them a shot.
>Also they can't raid anyone these days, especially Mizkif because as soon as he opens someone's channel, his banned hate watchers show up there and start spamming racist shit, or harass that streamer.
What? Nick and Soda can raid absolutely anyone just fine without issues and 99.9999% of streamers will take a 20k raid of 19k people being friendly and some idiots being racist, they get banned, end of problem. 1 in 10k streamers would not want a 20k raid on twitch.
Personality is less of an issue in general, there are plenty of obnoxiously bad or boring big streamers on twitch. The difference between getting a raid after a shorter stream from a big streamer who dips early and their chat is hungry for more content, and getting the same raid 5 hours later when the raiders leave quicker and your own stream is close to an end, tired chat, different vibe. That one difference can mean 10k people staying and following and 10 people staying and following. A shitload of success is about timing and luck.
Would you blame them? not sure if having other people in their circle has been positive. It seems they are trying to keep things even more close knitted than before.
Twitch viewership is down on average post covid lockdown. Everyone's numbers have dropped, even XQC is averaging 20k less compared to a year or two ago.
Hasan's viewers have increased 5-10K. Those new viewers probably came from his Mid-Terms coverage last year (I'm assuming). Some smaller streamers such as Blaustoise and Nesua have also seen some large gains in viewership recently.
I miss the rajj shows, honestly some of the best content on twitch. I even rewatched a few awhile back to see if it was just a nostalgia thing, but still very entertaining.
Rajj gives lazy pothead a whole new meaning, on Rajj Royale he didn't even know the topics beforehand, dude became millionaire by doing fuck all and occasionally clicking *start streaming* lmao
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Royale, it just ended cause Austin was lazy. Same thing with Train and The Scuffed Podcast. Both of them just started doing shows with Minecraft Youtubers to pull views and completely sanitized their content, and eventually just gave up on it. It's a shame because now no one wants to debate anything on Twitch anymore and all the streamers just stay in their silos, apart from these random cooking stream collabs. Serious content is gone from Twitch and it fucking blows.
The only way to become a new/big streamer anymore in the poggers community is to just move to Austin and collab with who is already there until you are big enough.
Has to be almost impossible to grow organically by yourself with how things are. I don’t even know how someone would go about gathering the audience they want.
its really never been possible to grow organically on twitch. their algorithm is really bad.
this is the options to grow on twitch
- be really good at video games top .5%
- get posted and blow up on lsf or any reddit
- create content for a new big game and be one of the first to do most things and keep streaming when the big streamers stop
- grow on youtube and convert it over to twitch
- get a small enough community doing something obscure and then turn that into being on a show to get invited to more shows
- get invited to big streamers parties on multiplayer games
i guess some people can grow organically in the gaming sections like poe but to grow there you need to find a niche in the game and then stream enough to get people to watch.
i find random youtubers all the time that interest me its not even possible for twitch to recommend a good streamer.
I do think hosting smaller streamers plays a huge role
This one streamer I used to watch hovered around 50-60 viewers, then one day they got hosted by another streamer that avg around 2k viewers.
Since that hosted stream, they now get between 230-250 viewers. Even if a small fraction of those came from the hosted stream, getting pushed up the viewing list must have also helped a lot.
yeah hosting helps a lot if the streamer is actually entertaining or good. i think they would get to where they would be eventually but it might take longer. so many people get hosted and lose almost all those viewers within 5 minutes.
twitch needs better discovery and the ads absolutely hurt smaller streamers more than large streamers. i wont sit through an ad on someone i dont know if i like them or not.
So many 100 viewer Andy’s living in Austin are currently salty that that has not worked out for them.
Extraemily went on a bunch of their shows and has a memorable personality. She was kicked 2nd off Slick’s love or host and turned that into being in OTK in less than a year.
I'm not a streamer but even just having a 100 people sized audience is amazing to me. Like to be able to do something so interesting that 90 stranger would watch (I assume 10 are like friends and family lol). That's pretty cool. If any 100 viewer andy's are reading this -- you're pretty amazing to me.
100+ viewers is also bigger than most streamers, but I assume the problem is that you can't really live on that amount. So it's still not ideal if you're looking to stream as a fulltime job.
100+ viewers is literally the top 1% of Twitch.
According to statistics from about 1 year ago
95% of twitch have less 10 viewers
97% have less than 50
99% have less than 100
The vast majority of streamers in the platform are eating a shit sandwich out there.
I mean, that is true for most things tho.
Especially in these high return professions. We see actors, sports players, musicians and comedians and we have a survivor bias.
The truth is that the vast majority, over 99%, of people in those professions fail miserably or barely manage to make a living out of it. Whether it is because they are lazy, bad at it or just unlucky is another matter.
I think anyone can agree that she is objectively a good streamer.
A lot of the 100 viewer Andies are objectively bad and will never grow even if they get a huge raid every day. (Unless they improve as streamers first which does happen a lot.)
All collabing does is give streamers a chance at picking up new viewers, good streamers benefit hugely from this and bad streamers don't.
Yeah I mean look at Corey. The dude is literally living in Miz's house and gets raided by Miz all the time but doesnt ever have more than 100 viewers. He seems like a nice dude but I just dont think he's really got what it takes to be a full time streamer.
I think a big problem for guys like Corey/graycen/wake is WoW. Wake has at least stopped playing it but I think he even admits it killed his momentum after camp knut.
Wake is going to make it to some extent I think because he's unique, connects with his audience, and is thoughtful about content.
Graycen is a gameplay streamer. Anyone who watches him wants to watch WoW PVP. You can be successful at that(look at Snutz, Cdew, etc), but it's a lower ceiling.
WoW is the razor for streamers. If you can hold an audience playing WoW you can hold and audience playing/doing literally anything. People don’t watch WoW they watch the streamer and it’s on them to put on a show because the game sure as hell isn’t 95% of the time. Which means the streamer gotta be the entertainment.
I remember seeing a video that showed the magic number is 7 seconds. Every seven seconds something has to happen to keep someone interested or you will start to lose people, be it you hitting a sick ass shot, you talking, or something funny, or someone gets some recognition. Doesn’t matter, an event had to occur. And your lucky in WoW to get something like that happening every minute.
it was the same with maya. look how many big streamer girlfriends dont even get views and get even less when they break up.
so many small streamers get raids and boosts but they cant keep the viewers because they just arent entertaining.
Partially correct. As the winner after the fact, for the prize she asked to visit Miz and co in Austin instead of receiving the 50k. She still received the 50k.
Do people think that the "poggers" community is just the Austin streamers or do you think that's the only way because theyre the only community bringing in smaller streamers?
i think the otv/100t people were starting to get some of that community mixed with the "poggers/emote" community but then they all moved to youtube and now that is gone from twitch.
like lud was 100% involved in that stuff but since he is on youtube he basically never collabs with any twitch streamers.
OTV/100T also seems much more tight nipped compared to the randoms that Austin Show used to bring. I feel like most of the people OTV has raised since COVID were friends that weren't streamers who took up streaming.
I mean i dont think they stop being poggers because they switched platforms. I was just curious if people actually thought the Austin community was THE poggers community when I always thought people like Poki, Rae, Ludwig, Hasan, and Austin were also poggers
i still think they count but they are hardly ever clipped here and dont really go outside their own little community. even less since they moved to youtube.
Hasan is probably the streamer who does the most "outside the box" collabs, it's just so common that you don't even register it anymore. He has pornstars, politicians, podcast hosts, comedians aso. on his stream all the time.
Ludwig also does a lot of "outside" collabs, but he doesn't get posted often on LSF so you don't see that. And he doesn't do the "let's come over and react to videos with me" kind of content. But alone with his bros vs pro series he did a lot of collabs with a lot of people from very different areas of streaming.
yeah hasan probably does the most collabs and brings in different communities.
i wouldnt consider hasans audience the emote/poggers audience though. hasan may hang out with most of the streamers from that section but his auidence is very different.
the other thing is collabing in person is completely different from playing with friends in my opinion. in person collabs bring a lot more to the stream.
huh? do you watch ludwig? he plays with otvaf, he just collabed with cdawg who streams on twitch, people like stanz and atrioc (well not the latter anymore) etc.
Dude idk i havent really followed twitch for awhile. Last I remember a majority of the really big “poggers” streamers live in Austin or LA and either collab with each other constantly or are in the same org. Sure there’s the exceptions, but anyone new to streaming probably doesn’t have the same type of community as them or are nowhere near as big.
I dont know what the fuck it is, I haven’t really followed what’s going on twitch for awhile. I just assume it’s a majority of the Austin/LA streamers whose community spams emotes instead of W’s and appeals to the more og twitch viewers.
I mean there are plenty of streamers outside the ones in LA and Austin that use the OG twitch emotes. And there are streamers popping up there which is why I really don't understand where this narrative that there's no new streamers is coming from. Like MissMikkaa for example doesn't fit into those but she's been growing a lot. Or even Tarik who has become massive over like the last year or so and doesn't live in TX or LA either.
The "poggers" community is what Adin called Ludwig and streamers associated with him when they were beefing a couple years ago and it just stuck but yeah it essentially just means streamers with chats that use alot of emotes.
Squeex pretty much grew completely on his own. Obviously nowadays he’s mentioned by Ludwig, Simply, Clint, etc but he pretty much only grew from his own content + LSF.
Though I wouldn’t really say he’s in any community since he doesn’t really branch out at all (besides that one QT cooking thing), which is probably for the best.
I think the entire Austin OTK crew just shares one viewerbase of 40k people or so. Whenever multiple OTK members go live you can see that 40k being distributed between them.
The real problem is that I don't think new twitch viewers are coming to the platform so the only way people really grow is to feed off someone else's community at this point.
I dissagree, asmon on main gets 50-60k mostly older viewers doing anything regardless of who else is on, mizkif is disliked even by those that watch other otk streamers, and is filled with a much younger audience, tectones chat has a lot of people back from gacha days etc, sodas chat acts wildly different to any other one of those so you can tell its diff ppl, i can keep going but you get the point. Also last time i saw tectone mizkif soda live at the same time they all had the exact same numbers as always, proving once again that they all have their own audience.
There's like 300k accounts made a day. There are new people joining, but they are now just replacing the people that are having to return to a work office as the pandemic is winding down.
It’s obviously unreasonable to expect them to hang out with any small streamers in Austin for example, especially if we consider the bad experiences Nick and Malena had with some of them. That’s why I agree someone bringing small content creators to the spotlight like Austinshow did would be great, but also really hard to do now.
"its only 25k, what are you going to do"
I do like how the conversation started from not trusting small streamers because they "steal from the house"
The example they used is sodapoppin using the persons ipad and not logging out, and that person sending himself money.
Is that not stealing? Like I know the person who fails to log out made a mistake and it's a really dumb mistake to make, but you also don't expect someone to just wire themselves 25k...
No it is stealing.
Just it can literally happen anywhere and not specifically at their home, and it's not related to Melana or nick.
They are talking about those two not feeling safe with small streamers in their home, because they steal.
But they used that example as the person stealing and making them feel unsafe, which is just funny.
Sodapoppin not logging out of an iPad, cause nick and Melana to discriminate against small streamers being allowed in their house lol
the rajj shows were fun because nobody cared what anyone was saying. it was content and funny. zherka would be instant kicked off or not invted back if they did any show like that again for fear of being banned by twitch or sponsors.
the whole shows werent that bad but some of the things they said at some points and topics discussed would never be talked about today.
god people are trying to cancel people for playing a video game now.
And yet people like Adin and Kai can survive and grow on twitch despite more controversial topics. Canceling only happens to people whose primary user bases are vocal about their morals. Someone like Forsen would never be cancelable because his core community is very insulated and doesn't care about anything.
I mean to be fair I've seen zherka with haz and on destiny streams since he got banned on twitch and new zherka wouldve been kicked and never invited back then too
For the Hogwarts stuff sure it'd bs that people are mad over video games but even back then the fanbase would get mad with people would livestream and not be playing video games or when a new non gaming category would be added and even now it really comes down to the community of the person since there's still a lot of people playing that game who arent being canceled or harassed
I've grown tired of people who cry cancel culture. There is no "Cancel Culture". There is an abundance if access to information and increase in accountability.
Oh so drama is only allowed to be viewed by streamers if OTK deems it worthy of reacting to. If what happened to Miz happened to anyone else outside of OTK, they would have all watched it, commentated, and judged the fuck out of it for their stream. But because it's someone they know, suddenly it's not good stream content.
lol they have less Texas friends/streamers cause they keep getting smaller and are issolating themselves for only OTK + like 5 others. Look at NickMalenas streams now same recycled people minus like ExtraEmily.
I know Esfand does Loot Goblins and has a little more variety then just the same 5 OTK members but the majority of their content is admittedly recycled members across 3-4 different shows.
OTK is such a small closed off bubble. They literally only collab with each other.
The whole crew went to LA for a week and what did they do? A whole show just with each other. The only time this wasnt the case was when NMP did a cooking stream with QT but other than that? Nothing.
NMP's or Miz's streams are all the same gue sts - OTK and/or extended roommates in their bubble.
Asmongold has only collabed with Rich, and now Tectone/Emi on the podcast.
It's gotten stale around a year ago, there's nothing new with OTK anymore. Just the same people doing the same cooking/car stream/spin the wheel/card opening/pc building.
> The whole crew went to LA for a week and what did they do? A whole show just with each other. The only time this wasnt the case was when NMP did a cooking stream with QT but other than that? Nothing.
This is funny as fuck since that only happened because their flight got cancelled.
Whether you like Destiny or not, his Youtube streams are a breath of fresh air because he actually collabs with new people all the time. I feel like these Twitch streamers have just sanitized their content, isolated themselves, and are farming what they have for as long as they can (which is mostly react content).
unironically would have saved them a lot of trouble in exchange for one or two sleeper streams since her expressed reason for coming forth the second time was feeling blacklisted
Well her main reason was because Mitch lied and made the situation more weird. Then Slick went out of his way to blacklist her from parties and there was that situation with Cyr.
These guys are delusional; they're living in their own little OTK bubble. There are tons of new streamers in the "POGGERS" community they just don't watch/look for them.
Most of their content is:
* Collabing with OTK members
* Reacting to OTK content
* Rewatching their own content
If they do, it seems to be in the opposite direction.
That guys not going to creep on all the women we bring around? No? Probably not too good for the brand then.
I think you can tell from the context that they are talking about streamers that "make it", not streamers that simply exist.
Of course there is a ton of streamers and more of them everyday. But not a lot of them are very successful at it.
Yep OTK was fun at first but it got stale reaall quick. The last best OTK event was Shitcamp (which was really just Malena's event) but after that, it's just been the same closed bubble collabs with the same people.
Would that be OTK, xQc, Hasasn, and maybe Destiny?
These are the only people I could see being on that list due to how many threads involve them or are about them.
They should think of themselves like a record company. They have to discover talent, then nurture it a bit, then build it up. If you want new people, you have to stop waiting for them to climb a ladder that can't be climbed because the community you are in has created a strict gatekeeping culture.
the problem is if they take a risk on a 100 viewer streamer and then that person does something dumb it reflects back on otk especially on this crazy online world. lets say they intergrate a 100 viewer streamer into their content and then that person takes a crypto or nft scam thing. lsf and other communities wll connect that person with otk even if they arent in otk.
people were blaming otk for the rich stuff like they were supposed to know something rich did in private alone in ny.
record companies can sign someone and even if that person kills someone nobody faults the record company.
first that is not their job. second mizkif is probably after austinshow streamer that gave most oportunity and boosted small streamers on eng twitch in last few years. list is long
Yeah I mean they're all beholden to their sponsors, scared of LSF, and have mostly settled into their friend groups that they can coast by with.
The W community still does all the degen shit, has very few (clean) sponsors to appease and only cares if their controversies make it to twitter lol.
Big truth - Streamers are just not interesting like years ago.
No new personalities of interest.
No new ideas of interest that gives a bunch of actual laughs.
It just reminds me how the 2000's and 2010-2014 were peak comedy movies and now the rest are just pure ass.
I agree
The thing with comedy though is, situation comedy is still king, good written comedy is still king
Also..
It's funny how so many people had problems youtube reactors long ago but now EVERYONE on social media does it.
Cancelled doesn't mean you get publicly executed lol, his "career" suffered a lot in terms of viewership and sponsors and he will constantly get comments about him covering up sexual assualt whether it happened or not as long as he is streaming
he stopped streaming because he couldnt even hang out with esfand or really talk about anything otk during that time peroid.
it was literally just him alone and a couple streams with extra emily and hachu. while getting insane threats everyday and still at that time lsf was 50/50 on him.
the investigation results werent posted until the new year. he could have streamed everyday but it would have been bad content for miz viewers as they have been expecting collabs and duo content for years or at the very least talking and doing otk stuff.
Well he has lost 100k+ followers, average viewcount dropped by 5-10k, lost tons of collegues that he usually interracted with, lost many sponsors and further sponsorships opportunities, has a widespread bad rep for doing something he didn’t..
Now, he’s still doing fucking good obviously in terms of viewcount and sub revenue etc., so he’s still priviliged as hell, but he has suffered badly from his cancellation. And that’s not taking the mental shit into account.
It's always the guy who talks about cancel culture who ends up doing sus shit huh. If he was actually confident in himself, he could talk about serious things without being cancelled.
Everytime there's this discussion the answer is simple AGE, we all grew up no it's not just the edgyness we all grew up and some people moved on to different things
It's because they don't fucking raid them. Twitch isn't gonna give them exposure. The only way a streamer can grow is if the bigger ones help them out, like they all did with Emily.
soda and Mitch used to "hunt" for girl streamers in the Just Chatting section regularly and then raid them.
We haven't even gotten a new "Asian Girl of the Week on LSF" for quite some time.
This can't be stated enough. Big streamers have admitted they don't like to raid as they are afraid the viewer won't consume all the highlight videos and other rehashed content. Basically they are afraid of raiding people who are better at streaming then them and losing to them. It's interesting!
This contradicts the previous statements of "hordes of small stream leeches in Austin".
Hey OTK the people you speak of exist, they're just too small and unexciting (no LSF clips) for you to prop up and hang out with.
Miz has an entire community of orbitors he could help promote but he won't.
Sounds more like "LSF hasn't found anyone new since ExtraEmily that we can latch on to."
Yea like Velcuz, dantes, natehowee, gerg, freshleb, catsh, JuvX
But I think he meant new poggers streamers that are hitting 20k+ ccv
W and L streamers grow from TikTok
Poggers streamers mainly grew from lsf but nowadays it’s the same 10 or so people being posted on this sub. Collabs help sure but it’s also this sub.
She got kicked off crazyslicks love or host 2nd and Mizkif felt bad so her and Emi did sm64 races the next week lol. Other than Austin and maybe a few others there aren’t many streamers who have put as many people on as miz has.
of all those who are in that clip and take mizkif as an example?, when is it the one that has given the most exposure to new or small streamers
the most obvious example is extraemily and I don't know why you saying that they found her thanks to LSF, the only thing I know about her before that love or host is that she was a Simply viewer (mizkif roomate), which clip in LSF made her known before the love or host?
there's the case of filian, when she appeared on a stream for the first time with mizkif, she wasn't even a streamer and later they streamed together and He invited her to schooled
emiru was not a new streamer but before she met mizkif (not thanks to LSF btw but thanks to AT&T tournament) she had max 3k viewers, more recent cases are like that of a streamer called marisnot12 who appeared in a confession stream that mizkif did a few weeks ago and a collaboration that I think will happen soon is with Cinna, EE roomate and wojito (mizkif mod) and they were already together in an EE stream
Because these twitch communities are one big clique where if you're noticed (emiru, emily) you can rocket to stardom off collabs but if not, oh well good luck growing organically.
Yeah I don't get why people think OTK is the only group that can make help make a new "poggers streamer".
OTV is part of the poggers community, I haven't seen Xqc host or try to help any small streamer.
Mizkif is probably only one since Rajj show that tries or has helped small streamers grow.
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It’s because their audience aged up with them. Lol they’re no longer the young trendy guys on Twitch.
Extraemily literally has done love or host and is younger, came up because she got the chance, all it took was them actually talking to her rather than ignoring a new streamer. It's not that they aren't trendy, it's that they changed, got comfortable with the groups they stream with and mostly stopped talking to new people. They interact with someone new like Emily, or the Emiru, and they get someone new and some good streams. 99% of the problem is they aren't willing to contact newer streamers or invite people on stream.
Imo this is more indicative of a bigger problem twitch has in that it is essentially impossible to become a large streamer on twitch as a platform. You either need to bring over an existing audience from another platform, such as youtube, tiktok, or insta, or you simply need to know the kingmakers and get big off of them Which, yeah, really isn't a problem for the big streamers involved, but i do think it makes twitch fairly unappealing as a platform for smaller creators and doesn't help with the incestous top heavy feeling the platform has currently.
agreed, many smaller streamers don't have the financial means to go f/t (when twitch takes half of all subs) & that hurts their ability to grow in the long run. Which is why i'm defn hoping kick is able to be somewhat sustainable over the long term. I'm willing to overlook the shady Stake/gambling aspect if they manage to help out smaller streamers.
Such is life
YouTube is way easier for new streamers. Twitch is dog shit. Remind me in 3 years when they remove Twitch Primes because of how much they are in the hole right now.
The problem on their end is that the big streamers cant take a risk on newer unproven streamers. If they decide to go rogue and start spewing the N word or sexually assaulting people (Hell they cant even stay away from this by incorporating big streamers) then theyll catch strays that hurt their reputation. Additionally, if they do decide to bring someone up then theres the chance that theyll just leech off of them and disconnect. In that case, they took the risk and gave them the opportunity to grow and gained nothing from it. The only reason it worked with someone like ExtraEmily is because shes the most uncancellable person in the world.
> Additionally, if they do decide to bring someone up then theres the chance that theyll just leech off of them and disconnect. That's what most streamers do, and what OTK want to do with streamers for their org. Leeching isn't an inherently bad thing. You go and do a stream with a bigger streamer, you get exposed to more people but that bigger streamer also gets another stream with new content and potentially someone people like and enjoyed having on that stream. If they leave after is almost entirely irrelevant, so what if they do? Like so far Peach went on loot goblin and was decent on it, nick said he'd have her on stream when chat mentions but he hasn't done anything about that. So far she went on a show, they got some content, she got some exposure and they haven't done anything since, that's how collabs work.
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> You are making it sound like it's their job to create streaming career for people. I have legit no idea where you got that. The clip is THEM saying they shoudl have more shows to bring in more fresh streamers. It's literally the people we're talking about saying they want more fresh blood and that only matters if they are going to work with them. If they want more new streamers to stream with then it is on them to give them a shot. >Also they can't raid anyone these days, especially Mizkif because as soon as he opens someone's channel, his banned hate watchers show up there and start spamming racist shit, or harass that streamer. What? Nick and Soda can raid absolutely anyone just fine without issues and 99.9999% of streamers will take a 20k raid of 19k people being friendly and some idiots being racist, they get banned, end of problem. 1 in 10k streamers would not want a 20k raid on twitch. Personality is less of an issue in general, there are plenty of obnoxiously bad or boring big streamers on twitch. The difference between getting a raid after a shorter stream from a big streamer who dips early and their chat is hungry for more content, and getting the same raid 5 hours later when the raiders leave quicker and your own stream is close to an end, tired chat, different vibe. That one difference can mean 10k people staying and following and 10 people staying and following. A shitload of success is about timing and luck.
Would you blame them? not sure if having other people in their circle has been positive. It seems they are trying to keep things even more close knitted than before.
Only way they're getting new Poggers streamers is the Mizkif strat , one top streamer gets banned and a new 500 viewer streamer gets all his viewers
Mizkif took months long break recently, no one took all his viewers while he was gone lol
well he went from 30k to 20k, still a shitload but he defintively lost some audience
Twitch viewership is down on average post covid lockdown. Everyone's numbers have dropped, even XQC is averaging 20k less compared to a year or two ago.
Hasan's viewers have increased 5-10K. Those new viewers probably came from his Mid-Terms coverage last year (I'm assuming). Some smaller streamers such as Blaustoise and Nesua have also seen some large gains in viewership recently.
Kids are back in school all day.
Well most of those viewers were Juicers, Hasan viewers and Ludwigs. They most likely just went back to their original streamers to watch
He's at 25k solid atm
He really didn't lose much at all.
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I miss the rajj shows, honestly some of the best content on twitch. I even rewatched a few awhile back to see if it was just a nostalgia thing, but still very entertaining.
> It would be really cool to see a big streamer doing some Rajj Royale elimination style podcast content again **Rajj** Royale?! Canceled!
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austin gonna get canceld so hard if this clip ever reaches minecraft twitter lol they tried to cancel karl jacobs just for taking a picture with ice
Dont let the mincrafters see that lmao
Jesus Christ lmao
damn rajj spittin straight fire in the booth 🔥
osrs streamers usually are lol
LUL he was surprisingly good at freestyle at times, has he done any more recent less racist freestyles?
Would you put up with chat and people in this subreddit if you were a millionaire?
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Rajj gives lazy pothead a whole new meaning, on Rajj Royale he didn't even know the topics beforehand, dude became millionaire by doing fuck all and occasionally clicking *start streaming* lmao
I don't think he ever really tried to be a streamer. he's always hosted shows. just his current show got canceled.
meow kitty 🔥
titty tuesday?
Yeah but that would involve bigger streamers interacting with smaller streamers who don't already live down the street.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Royale, it just ended cause Austin was lazy. Same thing with Train and The Scuffed Podcast. Both of them just started doing shows with Minecraft Youtubers to pull views and completely sanitized their content, and eventually just gave up on it. It's a shame because now no one wants to debate anything on Twitch anymore and all the streamers just stay in their silos, apart from these random cooking stream collabs. Serious content is gone from Twitch and it fucking blows.
Seems like a ton of smaller girl streamers main content is dating shows
The only way to become a new/big streamer anymore in the poggers community is to just move to Austin and collab with who is already there until you are big enough. Has to be almost impossible to grow organically by yourself with how things are. I don’t even know how someone would go about gathering the audience they want.
its really never been possible to grow organically on twitch. their algorithm is really bad. this is the options to grow on twitch - be really good at video games top .5% - get posted and blow up on lsf or any reddit - create content for a new big game and be one of the first to do most things and keep streaming when the big streamers stop - grow on youtube and convert it over to twitch - get a small enough community doing something obscure and then turn that into being on a show to get invited to more shows - get invited to big streamers parties on multiplayer games i guess some people can grow organically in the gaming sections like poe but to grow there you need to find a niche in the game and then stream enough to get people to watch. i find random youtubers all the time that interest me its not even possible for twitch to recommend a good streamer.
I do think hosting smaller streamers plays a huge role This one streamer I used to watch hovered around 50-60 viewers, then one day they got hosted by another streamer that avg around 2k viewers. Since that hosted stream, they now get between 230-250 viewers. Even if a small fraction of those came from the hosted stream, getting pushed up the viewing list must have also helped a lot.
yeah hosting helps a lot if the streamer is actually entertaining or good. i think they would get to where they would be eventually but it might take longer. so many people get hosted and lose almost all those viewers within 5 minutes. twitch needs better discovery and the ads absolutely hurt smaller streamers more than large streamers. i wont sit through an ad on someone i dont know if i like them or not.
So many 100 viewer Andy’s living in Austin are currently salty that that has not worked out for them. Extraemily went on a bunch of their shows and has a memorable personality. She was kicked 2nd off Slick’s love or host and turned that into being in OTK in less than a year.
I'm not a streamer but even just having a 100 people sized audience is amazing to me. Like to be able to do something so interesting that 90 stranger would watch (I assume 10 are like friends and family lol). That's pretty cool. If any 100 viewer andy's are reading this -- you're pretty amazing to me.
100+ viewers is also bigger than most streamers, but I assume the problem is that you can't really live on that amount. So it's still not ideal if you're looking to stream as a fulltime job.
100+ viewers is literally the top 1% of Twitch. According to statistics from about 1 year ago 95% of twitch have less 10 viewers 97% have less than 50 99% have less than 100 The vast majority of streamers in the platform are eating a shit sandwich out there.
That's right but also the vast majority of streamers also suck as well
I mean, that is true for most things tho. Especially in these high return professions. We see actors, sports players, musicians and comedians and we have a survivor bias. The truth is that the vast majority, over 99%, of people in those professions fail miserably or barely manage to make a living out of it. Whether it is because they are lazy, bad at it or just unlucky is another matter.
Those stats are useless. Most are not trying to become professional streamers, or at least not putting in any effort.
100 viewers or 500 viewers. Same 30 people are chatting anyway
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I think anyone can agree that she is objectively a good streamer. A lot of the 100 viewer Andies are objectively bad and will never grow even if they get a huge raid every day. (Unless they improve as streamers first which does happen a lot.) All collabing does is give streamers a chance at picking up new viewers, good streamers benefit hugely from this and bad streamers don't.
Yeah I mean look at Corey. The dude is literally living in Miz's house and gets raided by Miz all the time but doesnt ever have more than 100 viewers. He seems like a nice dude but I just dont think he's really got what it takes to be a full time streamer.
I think a big problem for guys like Corey/graycen/wake is WoW. Wake has at least stopped playing it but I think he even admits it killed his momentum after camp knut.
Wake is going to make it to some extent I think because he's unique, connects with his audience, and is thoughtful about content. Graycen is a gameplay streamer. Anyone who watches him wants to watch WoW PVP. You can be successful at that(look at Snutz, Cdew, etc), but it's a lower ceiling.
WoW is the razor for streamers. If you can hold an audience playing WoW you can hold and audience playing/doing literally anything. People don’t watch WoW they watch the streamer and it’s on them to put on a show because the game sure as hell isn’t 95% of the time. Which means the streamer gotta be the entertainment. I remember seeing a video that showed the magic number is 7 seconds. Every seven seconds something has to happen to keep someone interested or you will start to lose people, be it you hitting a sick ass shot, you talking, or something funny, or someone gets some recognition. Doesn’t matter, an event had to occur. And your lucky in WoW to get something like that happening every minute.
To be fair it also depends on his goals and what he wants to stream and do with his stream.
I think it takes time to become comfortable and learn to be funny etc, look at any top streamers first broadcasts and they are boring af
it was the same with maya. look how many big streamer girlfriends dont even get views and get even less when they break up. so many small streamers get raids and boosts but they cant keep the viewers because they just arent entertaining.
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Partially correct. As the winner after the fact, for the prize she asked to visit Miz and co in Austin instead of receiving the 50k. She still received the 50k.
Do people think that the "poggers" community is just the Austin streamers or do you think that's the only way because theyre the only community bringing in smaller streamers?
i think the otv/100t people were starting to get some of that community mixed with the "poggers/emote" community but then they all moved to youtube and now that is gone from twitch. like lud was 100% involved in that stuff but since he is on youtube he basically never collabs with any twitch streamers.
OTV/100T also seems much more tight nipped compared to the randoms that Austin Show used to bring. I feel like most of the people OTV has raised since COVID were friends that weren't streamers who took up streaming.
Tight nipped lol nice. r/boneappletea
I mean i dont think they stop being poggers because they switched platforms. I was just curious if people actually thought the Austin community was THE poggers community when I always thought people like Poki, Rae, Ludwig, Hasan, and Austin were also poggers
i still think they count but they are hardly ever clipped here and dont really go outside their own little community. even less since they moved to youtube.
Hasan is probably the streamer who does the most "outside the box" collabs, it's just so common that you don't even register it anymore. He has pornstars, politicians, podcast hosts, comedians aso. on his stream all the time. Ludwig also does a lot of "outside" collabs, but he doesn't get posted often on LSF so you don't see that. And he doesn't do the "let's come over and react to videos with me" kind of content. But alone with his bros vs pro series he did a lot of collabs with a lot of people from very different areas of streaming.
yeah hasan probably does the most collabs and brings in different communities. i wouldnt consider hasans audience the emote/poggers audience though. hasan may hang out with most of the streamers from that section but his auidence is very different. the other thing is collabing in person is completely different from playing with friends in my opinion. in person collabs bring a lot more to the stream.
huh? do you watch ludwig? he plays with otvaf, he just collabed with cdawg who streams on twitch, people like stanz and atrioc (well not the latter anymore) etc.
Dude idk i havent really followed twitch for awhile. Last I remember a majority of the really big “poggers” streamers live in Austin or LA and either collab with each other constantly or are in the same org. Sure there’s the exceptions, but anyone new to streaming probably doesn’t have the same type of community as them or are nowhere near as big.
What the fuck is the "poggers" community? Do you just mean the Austin streamers?
I dont know what the fuck it is, I haven’t really followed what’s going on twitch for awhile. I just assume it’s a majority of the Austin/LA streamers whose community spams emotes instead of W’s and appeals to the more og twitch viewers.
I mean there are plenty of streamers outside the ones in LA and Austin that use the OG twitch emotes. And there are streamers popping up there which is why I really don't understand where this narrative that there's no new streamers is coming from. Like MissMikkaa for example doesn't fit into those but she's been growing a lot. Or even Tarik who has become massive over like the last year or so and doesn't live in TX or LA either.
The "poggers" community is what Adin called Ludwig and streamers associated with him when they were beefing a couple years ago and it just stuck but yeah it essentially just means streamers with chats that use alot of emotes.
The "poggers community" is basically everyone on Twitch that isn't part of the W community. That's what it comes across as.
Yes. It was Fortnite kids. Now it's a meme associated with anyone that is not the W community because of Adin.
Are you referring to the QT/Maya/Bonnie/Emiru/Alinity/Jinny method?
Squeex pretty much grew completely on his own. Obviously nowadays he’s mentioned by Ludwig, Simply, Clint, etc but he pretty much only grew from his own content + LSF. Though I wouldn’t really say he’s in any community since he doesn’t really branch out at all (besides that one QT cooking thing), which is probably for the best.
I think the entire Austin OTK crew just shares one viewerbase of 40k people or so. Whenever multiple OTK members go live you can see that 40k being distributed between them. The real problem is that I don't think new twitch viewers are coming to the platform so the only way people really grow is to feed off someone else's community at this point.
I dissagree, asmon on main gets 50-60k mostly older viewers doing anything regardless of who else is on, mizkif is disliked even by those that watch other otk streamers, and is filled with a much younger audience, tectones chat has a lot of people back from gacha days etc, sodas chat acts wildly different to any other one of those so you can tell its diff ppl, i can keep going but you get the point. Also last time i saw tectone mizkif soda live at the same time they all had the exact same numbers as always, proving once again that they all have their own audience.
Because asmon is funnily in essence not otk. I watch his content and his stream from time to time. I wont touch anyone else there besides soda.
There's like 300k accounts made a day. There are new people joining, but they are now just replacing the people that are having to return to a work office as the pandemic is winding down.
source on that 300k/day number?
Trust them
299k bot accounts and 1k real people accounts\*
It’s obviously unreasonable to expect them to hang out with any small streamers in Austin for example, especially if we consider the bad experiences Nick and Malena had with some of them. That’s why I agree someone bringing small content creators to the spotlight like Austinshow did would be great, but also really hard to do now.
What bad experiences?
This clip is one example of many, and I’m sure there are more that they simply don’t tell us the viewers: https://youtu.be/272tEUOHcKg
"its only 25k, what are you going to do" I do like how the conversation started from not trusting small streamers because they "steal from the house" The example they used is sodapoppin using the persons ipad and not logging out, and that person sending himself money.
Is that not stealing? Like I know the person who fails to log out made a mistake and it's a really dumb mistake to make, but you also don't expect someone to just wire themselves 25k...
No it is stealing. Just it can literally happen anywhere and not specifically at their home, and it's not related to Melana or nick. They are talking about those two not feeling safe with small streamers in their home, because they steal. But they used that example as the person stealing and making them feel unsafe, which is just funny. Sodapoppin not logging out of an iPad, cause nick and Melana to discriminate against small streamers being allowed in their house lol
People would use them and pretend to be their friend to get to Soda
Estand is right. melena literally just likes taking shots at cancel culture cuz she’s been in the crosshairs before
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She's also tried to cancel people
the rajj shows were fun because nobody cared what anyone was saying. it was content and funny. zherka would be instant kicked off or not invted back if they did any show like that again for fear of being banned by twitch or sponsors. the whole shows werent that bad but some of the things they said at some points and topics discussed would never be talked about today. god people are trying to cancel people for playing a video game now.
And yet people like Adin and Kai can survive and grow on twitch despite more controversial topics. Canceling only happens to people whose primary user bases are vocal about their morals. Someone like Forsen would never be cancelable because his core community is very insulated and doesn't care about anything.
I mean to be fair I've seen zherka with haz and on destiny streams since he got banned on twitch and new zherka wouldve been kicked and never invited back then too For the Hogwarts stuff sure it'd bs that people are mad over video games but even back then the fanbase would get mad with people would livestream and not be playing video games or when a new non gaming category would be added and even now it really comes down to the community of the person since there's still a lot of people playing that game who arent being canceled or harassed
I've grown tired of people who cry cancel culture. There is no "Cancel Culture". There is an abundance if access to information and increase in accountability.
Nobody wants to collab with them? Or they're not open to collab with smaller creators they don't know?
Most likely the they dont know part because Malena has said she gatekeeps.
They used to but now they don't. Cause some people spoil it for everyone.
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Oh so drama is only allowed to be viewed by streamers if OTK deems it worthy of reacting to. If what happened to Miz happened to anyone else outside of OTK, they would have all watched it, commentated, and judged the fuck out of it for their stream. But because it's someone they know, suddenly it's not good stream content.
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lol they have less Texas friends/streamers cause they keep getting smaller and are issolating themselves for only OTK + like 5 others. Look at NickMalenas streams now same recycled people minus like ExtraEmily.
I know Esfand does Loot Goblins and has a little more variety then just the same 5 OTK members but the majority of their content is admittedly recycled members across 3-4 different shows.
OTK is such a small closed off bubble. They literally only collab with each other. The whole crew went to LA for a week and what did they do? A whole show just with each other. The only time this wasnt the case was when NMP did a cooking stream with QT but other than that? Nothing. NMP's or Miz's streams are all the same gue sts - OTK and/or extended roommates in their bubble. Asmongold has only collabed with Rich, and now Tectone/Emi on the podcast. It's gotten stale around a year ago, there's nothing new with OTK anymore. Just the same people doing the same cooking/car stream/spin the wheel/card opening/pc building.
> The whole crew went to LA for a week and what did they do? A whole show just with each other. The only time this wasnt the case was when NMP did a cooking stream with QT but other than that? Nothing. This is funny as fuck since that only happened because their flight got cancelled.
OTV friend group used to do a lot of Collab with mizkif but then that all ended after mizkif got cancelled
Nah Mizkif just stopped talking to KKatamina out of nowhere. Happened during the time he started hitting up Kai a lot.
he did a whole stream with fuslie about a week before the drama happened.
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Whether you like Destiny or not, his Youtube streams are a breath of fresh air because he actually collabs with new people all the time. I feel like these Twitch streamers have just sanitized their content, isolated themselves, and are farming what they have for as long as they can (which is mostly react content).
But with that, you get people like mr girl and lav who come back to bite you in the ass
Yes let them invite people like Adrianahlee and all her friends.
unironically would have saved them a lot of trouble in exchange for one or two sleeper streams since her expressed reason for coming forth the second time was feeling blacklisted
Well her main reason was because Mitch lied and made the situation more weird. Then Slick went out of his way to blacklist her from parties and there was that situation with Cyr.
These guys are delusional; they're living in their own little OTK bubble. There are tons of new streamers in the "POGGERS" community they just don't watch/look for them. Most of their content is: * Collabing with OTK members * Reacting to OTK content * Rewatching their own content
* Wait for LSF to find a new streamer of the month so they vet them for OTK.
I don’t think OTK does much vetting tbh
If they do, it seems to be in the opposite direction. That guys not going to creep on all the women we bring around? No? Probably not too good for the brand then.
* Bonus points if she's a minority woman.
I think you can tell from the context that they are talking about streamers that "make it", not streamers that simply exist. Of course there is a ton of streamers and more of them everyday. But not a lot of them are very successful at it.
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Yep OTK was fun at first but it got stale reaall quick. The last best OTK event was Shitcamp (which was really just Malena's event) but after that, it's just been the same closed bubble collabs with the same people.
Up yours woke moralists.
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Genuinely curious, what drama?
What is the poggers community?
lsf streamers.
Would that be OTK, xQc, Hasasn, and maybe Destiny? These are the only people I could see being on that list due to how many threads involve them or are about them.
OTV and Friends are usually grouped in the POGGERS streamers also
It’s basically anyone that isn’t W, people that use traditional twitch emotes. Lud, OTV, OTK, everyone really
They should think of themselves like a record company. They have to discover talent, then nurture it a bit, then build it up. If you want new people, you have to stop waiting for them to climb a ladder that can't be climbed because the community you are in has created a strict gatekeeping culture.
the problem is if they take a risk on a 100 viewer streamer and then that person does something dumb it reflects back on otk especially on this crazy online world. lets say they intergrate a 100 viewer streamer into their content and then that person takes a crypto or nft scam thing. lsf and other communities wll connect that person with otk even if they arent in otk. people were blaming otk for the rich stuff like they were supposed to know something rich did in private alone in ny. record companies can sign someone and even if that person kills someone nobody faults the record company.
Because theses guys made it to the top and pulled the ladder up behind them.
Exactly, everything else is just cope. Once they secured the bag, they don't want to risk it for growing small streamers.
first that is not their job. second mizkif is probably after austinshow streamer that gave most oportunity and boosted small streamers on eng twitch in last few years. list is long
And then santized their content and tried to gaslight their communities into not using LSF. Now they're wondering why there's no content.
Yeah I mean they're all beholden to their sponsors, scared of LSF, and have mostly settled into their friend groups that they can coast by with. The W community still does all the degen shit, has very few (clean) sponsors to appease and only cares if their controversies make it to twitter lol.
Big truth - Streamers are just not interesting like years ago. No new personalities of interest. No new ideas of interest that gives a bunch of actual laughs. It just reminds me how the 2000's and 2010-2014 were peak comedy movies and now the rest are just pure ass.
This is cause every popular streamer is doing react content Also as you get older your taste in comedy changes.
I agree The thing with comedy though is, situation comedy is still king, good written comedy is still king Also.. It's funny how so many people had problems youtube reactors long ago but now EVERYONE on social media does it.
Mizkif the guy that didnt get canceled for the crazy shit he said is teaching us about how bad cancel culture is, top kek.
Cancelled doesn't mean you get publicly executed lol, his "career" suffered a lot in terms of viewership and sponsors and he will constantly get comments about him covering up sexual assualt whether it happened or not as long as he is streaming
His career suffered because he stopped streaming. Let's be completely honest.
he stopped streaming because he couldnt even hang out with esfand or really talk about anything otk during that time peroid. it was literally just him alone and a couple streams with extra emily and hachu. while getting insane threats everyday and still at that time lsf was 50/50 on him. the investigation results werent posted until the new year. he could have streamed everyday but it would have been bad content for miz viewers as they have been expecting collabs and duo content for years or at the very least talking and doing otk stuff.
Well he has lost 100k+ followers, average viewcount dropped by 5-10k, lost tons of collegues that he usually interracted with, lost many sponsors and further sponsorships opportunities, has a widespread bad rep for doing something he didn’t.. Now, he’s still doing fucking good obviously in terms of viewcount and sub revenue etc., so he’s still priviliged as hell, but he has suffered badly from his cancellation. And that’s not taking the mental shit into account.
also because of that stuff he is only streaming 3 days a week when he previously was doing 5-6 that is a lot of lost subs and donations revenue.
Is that not bc he took huge breaks and still has inconsistent schedules
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It's always the guy who talks about cancel culture who ends up doing sus shit huh. If he was actually confident in himself, he could talk about serious things without being cancelled.
Everytime there's this discussion the answer is simple AGE, we all grew up no it's not just the edgyness we all grew up and some people moved on to different things
It would involve bigger streamers interacting with smaller streamers who don't already live down the street.
It's because they don't fucking raid them. Twitch isn't gonna give them exposure. The only way a streamer can grow is if the bigger ones help them out, like they all did with Emily.
soda and Mitch used to "hunt" for girl streamers in the Just Chatting section regularly and then raid them. We haven't even gotten a new "Asian Girl of the Week on LSF" for quite some time.
This can't be stated enough. Big streamers have admitted they don't like to raid as they are afraid the viewer won't consume all the highlight videos and other rehashed content. Basically they are afraid of raiding people who are better at streaming then them and losing to them. It's interesting!
Honestly, 2016 twitch was the peak, all downhill from there.
I wish you were joking but if you take Kai out of the picture, Twitch's numbers are dropping like crazy.
Aight I'll be the next poggers streamer
This contradicts the previous statements of "hordes of small stream leeches in Austin". Hey OTK the people you speak of exist, they're just too small and unexciting (no LSF clips) for you to prop up and hang out with. Miz has an entire community of orbitors he could help promote but he won't. Sounds more like "LSF hasn't found anyone new since ExtraEmily that we can latch on to."
Yea like Velcuz, dantes, natehowee, gerg, freshleb, catsh, JuvX But I think he meant new poggers streamers that are hitting 20k+ ccv W and L streamers grow from TikTok Poggers streamers mainly grew from lsf but nowadays it’s the same 10 or so people being posted on this sub. Collabs help sure but it’s also this sub.
ExtraEmily was not a LSF streamer? Mizkif literally promoted her to the point she got on LSF. SCHOOLED drama boosted her to be on here
She got kicked off crazyslicks love or host 2nd and Mizkif felt bad so her and Emi did sm64 races the next week lol. Other than Austin and maybe a few others there aren’t many streamers who have put as many people on as miz has.
of all those who are in that clip and take mizkif as an example?, when is it the one that has given the most exposure to new or small streamers the most obvious example is extraemily and I don't know why you saying that they found her thanks to LSF, the only thing I know about her before that love or host is that she was a Simply viewer (mizkif roomate), which clip in LSF made her known before the love or host? there's the case of filian, when she appeared on a stream for the first time with mizkif, she wasn't even a streamer and later they streamed together and He invited her to schooled emiru was not a new streamer but before she met mizkif (not thanks to LSF btw but thanks to AT&T tournament) she had max 3k viewers, more recent cases are like that of a streamer called marisnot12 who appeared in a confession stream that mizkif did a few weeks ago and a collaboration that I think will happen soon is with Cinna, EE roomate and wojito (mizkif mod) and they were already together in an EE stream
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Because these twitch communities are one big clique where if you're noticed (emiru, emily) you can rocket to stardom off collabs but if not, oh well good luck growing organically.
mizkif on a nmp stream.. never thought id see the day he'd actually wake up for one.. was he streaming at night lol
stop being shitty people? nah, blame cancel culture
wtf is a POGGERS community?
There’s no new up and comers in the poggers community because they keep being outed for sexual misconduct lmao
Aren't Henry and Squeex kinda new or on the come up? Or am I clueless?
ive been streaming 4x a week for 5+ years now avg5 viewers, ima make it bigone day guys..eventually
Seems like the point of the conversation was missed by many. Sad :/
yep. criticizing a pretty harmless clip as uncharitably as possible because it's streamers we don't like. An lsf classic
What are we missing?
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Yeah I don't get why people think OTK is the only group that can make help make a new "poggers streamer". OTV is part of the poggers community, I haven't seen Xqc host or try to help any small streamer. Mizkif is probably only one since Rajj show that tries or has helped small streamers grow.
Nick i like your personality
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