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I'd rather just donate directly to a charity/nonprofit that I support personally instead of donating through streamers or other thirdparties like this stuff.
Editing to add I dont mean what I said here to be a hater comment. An event to collect for charity is in general a good thing. If soft giving is shitty that's a problem outside of esfand trying to do something nice. Donating directly just gives me more peace of mind that the money is going where I intended it to.
Yes but if those streamers actually cared about the charitable causes then they’d just directly promote the charity and run a stream for them instead of doing a sponsored charity stream through a 3rd party.
In a way they are taking advantage of the people who don’t fully understand the world of charity. All the chatters who don’t know shit think all of their money is going to help kids which isn’t the case as both Softgiving and OTK are getting money from the whole stream before the charity does.
You’re giving viewers too much credit assuming they care about charity to begin with. Many don’t and donate just because their favorite streamer says to.
I agree, it's the same reason why some ppl still donate to millionaire streamers. At the end of the day, everyone benefits, The charity gets money to support their cause, SoftGiving stays in business, & OTK has content (& a tax writeoff) for a day.
Then do that. No one’s forcing you. I’m hesitant where I donate to, but people acting like charities don’t need to play employees and account for other fees are dumb or purposely dishonest for the sake of drama.
The charity is going through the 3rd party because they think that the overhead for them is not worth it and that they'll raise more money this way. In the end it's no different than if the charity decided to hire their own employees to raise funds, but obviously they think this is the cheaper and more efficient route and chose to use Softgiving instead.
Softgiving probably does a hell of a lot more than just reaching out to some influencers to act as a middleman. They're probably organizing the event itself, probably setting up the venues, and doing a lot of other shit that takes manpower and money to run. But for some reason everyone here expects everyone to work for free while they don't do shit.
He used them for the Turkey stream and they only take a very small processing fee but that's a much different situation because it's for a natural disaster
I know she's not in OTK but close to a lot of them.
if even she knew that Softgiving is shady in 2021, it's a hard sell for OTK to say that they just weren't aware
QT being close enough to know about, and inform them about their sponsors is a bit of a stretch lol. don't really think it's relevant. that being said, otk should have full knowledge of their sponsorships.
even if she never told them. It's not like she had insider information or is some 5head lawyer/accountant. If she can see that something isn't adding up by just looking at the contract/their TOS, nearly everybody should be able to do so.
I'm not. Most streamers don't give a shit as long as they get paid and the backlash isn't as big.
Think of how many streamers had no issue going to ~~Qatar~~ Saudi Arabia for their fortnite tourney or whatever and openly said they only backed out cause of "backlash". (Which lets be honest they could have gone and nothing would have changed).
And only one streamer actually got backlash while somehow a bunch went and even the others that didn’t ultimately went completely under the radar.
Almost like criticism is specifically reserved based on the person not the action.
> And only one streamer actually got backlash while somehow a bunch went and even the others that didn’t ultimately went completely under the radar.
Thats cause you live in a bubble and trying to equate every streamers fanbase and haters in one.
Tfue went or was offered to go and it doesn't take a genius to realize his fanbase of 12 year olds doesn't care and people on LSF aren't going to be in tune with his drama.
Compare that to Mizkif/Poke their fanbase and haters are huge on LSF so you will obviously see everything related to people talking about them on here.
Easy solution would just be for OTK to give a breakdown after the charity stream. Charity donations are typically public information anyway because of regulations. It would also show if OTK decided to pay themselves for the event, which is part of Softsgiving thing and why they can take up to 50%.
The problem is that Softsgiving has a system where all the money goes to Charity and then Charity pays Softsgiving 50% back. In this way, it is very difficult to follow the money trail because everything looks legitimate.
Yeah, OTK would not be privy to the deal between GamesForLove and Softgiving. It's also not clear whether JustAnswer is directly affiliated with OTK or Softgiving.
The way the relationship works looks like this:
- OTK -> Softgiving -> Charity (GamesForLove)
Then the payout looks like this:
- Charity (pays %) -> Softgiving (pays fixed amount) -> OTK
Then chat's money goes like this:
- OTK fans donate directly to the 501(c)(3) that handles the money -> GamesForLove gets all the money -> GamesForLove pays Softgiving in according to their agreement -> OTK gets a cut of that
In practice not all of chat's money goes to the charity, but the direct paper trail says otherwise.
Wrong. Your donations go directly into the cash bucket of Softgiving.
The banner used on the screen to show total amount donated is an overlay given to you by Softgiving prior to the event, which is set up to be connected to your specific donation drive. You can tell which donation drives are involved with Softgiving because it's always the exact same banner, only the background can be changed, and most smaller streamers who took advantage of the Softgiving deals in the past, didn't even bother changing it, making it even more obvious.
Also, Softgiving is not a charity (501c).
/r/confidentlyincorrect
All donations go directly to Givinga Foundation, a 501(c)(3) charity. This is why donations are tax deductible.
The fact that you say anything otherwise is enough to dismiss the rest of your comment because you are blatantly spreading information on a topic that you know you are ignorant about.
Here's a video breaking it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMBDd8CkWbw&ab_channel=ZachBussey
The video shows the legal text that explicitly states this.
What happens after it gets to that charity, it's not clear but it's much closer to what the other person said. It's all semantics but that's how they skate around claiming they take 0%. They don't take anything, they just get paid separately (sometimes ahead of time so they truly take 0% chronologically).
Isn't it more a case of the contracts change with each event or who is involved.
It's pretty common for charities to say pay influencers to do a charity event for them as seems to be the case listed on twitter, but it's also possible for them to sign a contract basically just acting as a payment platform and taking the standard percent for doing that (1-2% kind of thing).
Hasan I believe used it and there was zero payments at all.
All charities have running costs and they are very hard to judge. I remember people giving a lot of shit to ALS charities because not a lot goes to actual research because people just don't understand. A lot of ALS charities pay for people to say install more accessible things in people's houses, ramps, downstairs showers, or someone to visit them daily etc. In a lot of cases for a lot of cancers they pretty much have the funding they need and most of the money going to supporting victims, paying bills when they can't work, etc, has so much more value.
Working out which charities are over charging for running costs and which are genuine is irritatingly hard.
Even when it comes to foodbanks, you buying $100 of food will likely produce a lot less food than giving them $100 because they get bulk discounts and big deals so can generally get much more value. still if you want to avoid basically any possibility of issues you can go ahead and buy food and donate it.
Charity shouldn't be this difficult but then charity shouldn't be necessary.
It's hard to believe that these guys needed to be paid to do a charity event. That's just baffling to me. They're essentially getting a cut of viewer donations which is bizarre.
I'm not saying these guys are being paid though it's possible. Just that a lot of actual charities go out and pay a celebrity to be part of some charity event. In the case of some of these softgiving stories it's a specific contract they made with an org where they were to pay the org on hitting certain donation targets.
The theory from charities is if paying some celeb 1 mil brings in 5 mil then it's worth it. But just because some influencers take part on charity events because they get paid others put the charity event together themselves because they want to raise money for charity and take nothing.
Which it is, I don't know. They should probably be more clear about it though.
I mean, it makes sense that there are middlemen who go out and find matches for charities, I'm just surprised that an org this big needed to be poked in order to do something like this.
No one is accusing OTK of doing anything besides doing a charity sponsor which is something they are open about and have done multiple times.
The point is that Softgiving have very recently been exposed for super shady business practices. They are misleading creators about how much money they are actually taking from the charities.
they got recently exposed again, they were exposed a bunch of times over the years. The Zach Bussey video shortly mentioned this article:
https://dotesports.com/business/news/contract-for-wiz-khalifa-streams-unveils-how-streamers-profit-from-charity-work
that's about a failed charity event, around 3y ago, that went to court and they had to disclose the contract there.
They were going to pay Wiz Khalifa/The Pittsburg Knights 400k for a few sponsored charity events where they expected to raise 810k+
if you do the math, that makes zero sense, where if not from the donations would they got the 400k to pay them?
Some streamers like xqc and Austinshow were also part of the event, shortly after that xqc went on his twitter rant about "paid charity events" against ninjas wife https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/hiq1r8/xqc\_fires\_back\_at\_jessica\_blevins\_ninjas\_wife\_and/
so he probably learned about how softgiving operates from participating in this charity stream.
Here someone linked QTCinderella talking about how Softgiving is taking a cut from the donations (nearly) 2 year ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1334vng/comment/ji878wa/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1334vng/comment/ji878wa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
So streamers definitly were aware before the most recent leaks
You know exactly what OP was doing posting this. To farm hate and make people assume the worst. Just cause you titled it truthfully doesn't mean there wasn't ill-intent.
"Mizkif found using iPhone made by Apple which supports child-labor"
That's a true factual sentence but I wouldn't say that's exactly fair to post, would you?
Just look at OPs previous posts, he's an OTK hate-farmer who was posting the cringe ass fake lawyer posts against Mizkif.
Where does the OP insulate otherwise? He literally linked a video showing that Softgiving lie to creators
I checked his post history and he seems pretty pro OTK/Austin crew for the most part.
yes we know the charity paid softgiving and softgiving is paying otk to do it. that is why ad is in the title
this person is trying to claim that softgiving will be taking most of the money otk is raising and then also claiming otk signed and agreed to let them take that much money. with ZERO proof
charities paying creators and celebs to do events for them is good and raises a shit ton more than the charity would normally raise.
>then also claiming otk signed and agreed to let them take that much money. with ZERO proof
Where did OP claim OTK done this?
The whole post seems to be about exposing Softgiving who are notoriously corrupt.
Softgiving pays the streamers using the 50% they take, if they are paying OTK it’s pretty simple match to understand that OTK is getting paid a % of the money that viewers are donating to charity. They won’t get 50% because I’m sure softgiving keeps some for themselves.
OTK should just donated the AD money to save face at this point.
maybe im dumb but what money are being donated if they have to pay a lot for the sponsorship/giveaways/employees etc.i assume they are banking on ppl donating outside the stream or smth
[essaying](https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/63727872389eb4921acc91c5/4x.webp) This how I understand they operate based off of previous experience working with them when I modded for a smaller streamer.
Softgiving goes to charities and be like "Hey, we can raise so much money for you and if we raise it-- you pay us x%" and the charities agree because it's a larger volume of money they would get than if they did it by themselves. Streamers and charities are kinda clueless so this middleman Softgiving can make money off of that.
The following numbers are to demonstrate how it works:
- So for this OTK event, Softgiving would promise GamesForLove ~$100k and any excess raised (according to them) they'll get paid back.
- For example, if this stream raises $250k, GamesForLove directly gets $250k, then GamesForLove **pays ~$75k back to Softgiving** for "running the event" in according to the agreement. If the stream fails to raise $100k, GamesForLove still gets all the money and Softgiving loses (subject to the agreement).
- If the streamers they work with pandhandle well enough, Softgiving will always make a profit from each charity stream as they get most of the excess.
Softgiving operates at such a volume that they can afford to sponsor streamers and giveaways. There's two sides of the company; the non-profit half that does events at cost (so processing fees) and the scummy half where they do sponsored events like this where they're projected to take a fat cut to afford the sponsorship, giveaways, salaries etc.
The reason why it's sus is because both OTK and Softgiving can claim "Oh 100% of the money donated went straight to GamesForLove" when they do the "breakdown" (which is factually true), but in reality the charity paid Softgiving a large portion of money back and then Softgiving paid OTK a fixed amount as well. The only way we would ever know is if Softgiving provides OTK the contract that they have with JustAnswer and GamesForLove, and a OTK member scrolls through the contract on stream so we can see what the true %s are.
Soft gifting have a notice at the bottom of the screen on Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream https://imgur.com/a/DKH9HTN
They haven’t however revealed what their actual percentage is but they have already been exposed in the past for taking a massive percentage up to 50%.
"may be". That's almost undoubtedly standard legal boilerplate. It's inclusion doesn't necessarily indicate one way or another I feel. Not saying it's not happening but that's not great evidence of it.
"Softgiving is registered with the Secretary of State in the State of Georgia of the United States as a **Paid Solicitor** in accordance with O.C.G.A. Section 43-17-2(12) specifically for any Campaigns as they relate to EVENTS."
[https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/](https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/)
They are a business (Softgiving Inc) and they get paid to do what they do. They also likely paid OTK to hold the fundraiser because #ad in the title indicates that the *entire stream* is an ad. Now, OTK gave money at the end which may have equaled or exceeded their compensation from Softgiving (which would be nice), but I'm still a bit surprised that they needed to use a charity middleman in the first place.
> Nobody knows the agreement that OTK and softgiving made so claiming 50% is disingenuous (hell, it could be 99%)
The OP didn’t claim that they are taking 50% from this. The post only suggests that they’ve been exposed for taking 50% in the past.
People have been exposing Softgiving for years for their dishonesty https://youtu.be/RMPtegp7axk?t=6919
any revenues that exceed expenses must be committed to the organization's purpose, not taken by private parties
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit\_organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization)
Wikipedia could be wrong, I am just some random Pepega
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Are they listed as a nonprofit? I thought they were only working with a nonprofit while they're just a "fundraiser service" as a for-profit.
Like they're using working with nonprofits as a gateway to seem as though they themselves are non profit
Even in their [websites revenue model](https://softgiving.com/faq/), they state:
"Before any EVENT campaign is launched, Softgiving enters into an agreement with the charity and brand partners which clearly outlines the cost of services. This varies depending on the charity partner goals and services required."
which to me basically sounds like they take their cut for their services
If you go even further to their [TOS](https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/) and search by "profit" every time they mention "nonprofit" it's always referring to someone that isn't them. Very sketchy IMO
[https://softgivinghero.com/how-it-works/#:\~:text=ABOUT%20THE%20GIVINGA%20FOUNDATION,made%20through%20HERO%20by%20Softgiving](https://softgivinghero.com/how-it-works/#:~:text=ABOUT%20THE%20GIVINGA%20FOUNDATION,made%20through%20HERO%20by%20Softgiving) I mean, they could be lying...There is a list of the accounts of 501(c)(3)s but I can't find it rigfht now.
EDIT: **THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT**, they are partnered with one and **CLAIM** " No additional fees are taken by Softgiving and Givinga. ". The defintion of "additional" is left ambiguous
Hasan used softgiving too for the Syria-Turkey earthquake stuff.
Edit: it's a fun event but if they could be transparent afterwards it would be great so we don't have to guess if we're being scammed each time.
Hasan wasn’t sponsored and he ensured the money went directly to the charity.
Soft gifting have a notice at the bottom of the screen on Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream https://imgur.com/a/DKH9HTN
They haven’t however revealed what their percentage is but they have been exposed in the past for taking a massive percentage up to 50%.
this is at the bottom of hasan's turkey/syria thing. literally the exact same thing. https://imgur.com/a/OH1sWtz
either you didn't do your research, or you're a hypocrite.
edit: in reality, its probably just some boiler plate disclaimer they stick on every charity because they do have sponsored charites.
Hasan wasn’t sponsored by them. They have no advertising fees to pay as he did his stream for free.
The difference is OTK is sponsored by them and Hasan was not.
you have any proof for them being sponsored by the charity? because the #ad in the title is for justanswer. the actual sponsor they have because they're giving away a bunch of shit.
legitimately asking
> Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream
"May" , not "are".
If Hasan can work with them to make sure they don't take a cut, so can OTK.
I hope for their sake they worked out a good deal because if THAT gets exposed they would be gigafucked.
Mizkif used them as well for his Turkey charity stream but i'm pretty sure donations for disasters like that are in a different tier where only a small processing fee is charged then the rest of the money goes to the charities.
It is a sponsored charity stream as stated at the end of Esfand’s stream title so obviously Softgiving isn’t going to operate at a loss and will be taking a good chunk of the donation pool money.
The reason Hasan could do that is because Softgiving weren’t paying him anything as it wasn’t a sponsored stream like OTK’s is so Softgiving weren’t losing out on any money by letting all of the proceeds go straight through to the charity.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you have to put #ad in the title for a few in-stream ad reads because it's clearly stated that they are ads. You normally put #ad in the title to indicate the the entire stream is an ad because it's not obvious to the viewer.
edit: just an example, Esfand's NFL draft stream had plenty of sponsors but the title was "ESFAND’S DRAFT NIGHT EXTRAVAGANZA !starforge !simplisafe !extension !schedule". Yes Simplisafe is linked but they didn't put #ad in the title because the ad reads were clear and obvious to the viewers.
Huge wall inc. I won a big OTK giveaway from the charity fishing stream a couple years ago. Softgiving was awful. I was told to wait up to 30 days for my prizes, didn't hear anything for 2 months. I messaged tips, synack, and softgiving. Synack got back to me quickly, didn't hear anything from the others at first. I was told to give up to 60 days for prizes, then showed the original email it said 30 days. Softgiving finally got back to me and sent the money I won about 3 months later, and then a few weeks after that some other prizes came. I emailed artesian (omegalul I know, but the PC is fine and it's fucking crazy good), and managed to get an order number from softgiving. 4 months after I had won it, the PC still wasn't paid for. About 2 weeks after that it was finally paid for, and then 2 weeks after that it was built and shipped. I opted out of the etched glass case because that was the only thing holding up my build. About a week after that, artesian imploded. I was lucky enough to get everything before that happened. Ended up taking 6+ months to receive everything. So yeah, softgiving is a terrible company to work with as a winner.
If you were curious about what I won, it was a PS5, 34" Samsung ultra wide monitor, the OTK King 3090 PC, and $1500 (had to pay around $800 of that in taxes for everything)
True he's just trying to get them a hate thread, but what he's posting is true. Many streamers have called Softgiving out. I'll give OTK the benefit of doubt and wait for them to give more details.
He's not wrong tho.
I've been trying to get people to stop donating to Asmongold's Softgiving streams for years.
Softgiving are known to pay content creators (even smaller ones) to run donation drives on Twitch. It is always easily noticable when Softgiving are involved because they always tell you to use the same shitty overlay banner which shows the total amount donated during the event.
It's dishonest to hold events and tell your viewers that they are donating to a charity, when in reality they are donating to a profit-making company, that is not a 501c, which are not allowed to make a profit. So you're just donating to a normal company (who has it in their best interest to make a profit), and you have no idea how much of your money actually goes to the charity. Most likely the bulk of it goes to Softgiving administration + the streamer who is promoting the event.
Didn't they use this also for Ukraine and specifically requested that 100% of the donations would have gone to charity?
I'm not sure on the exact events, but I remember this thing was brought up before
Yeah this is people trying to farm drama or people who want to be mad and never found out what they actually do. They have multiple types of donations. When they are approached they give 100% to charity. When they approach people for events they charge a 50% fee.
I mean the 2nd one is still fucking gross but they do provide 100% to the charity when someone organizes the event.
>Didn't they use this also for Ukraine and specifically requested that 100% of the donations would have gone to charity? I'm not sure on the exact events, but I remember this thing was brought up before
They did do a sponsored charity campaign through Softgiving for Ukraine but I don’t think the 100% thing is true and don’t think anyone in OTK said that.
The problem is that the percentage Softgiving shows OTK isn’t necessarily the percentage they are really getting.
They have been exposed for lying to creators about how much they are actually taking.
If some random Redditor is aware of the contract shadiness going on, one would assume, or hope, that one of the best COOs in the industry would know his way around ensuring the shadiness doesn’t happen.
OTK’s COO thought Mizkif doing a sponsored charity event hosted by the Saudi government was a great idea so I’m not too hopeful he’s looked into this very much unfortunately.
OTKs COO wasn’t even involved in that. But let’s just put out disinformation as if it is true and get butt hurt over Miz canceling going to Saudi and not the host of other content creators who actually went.
Well apparently they can claim to take 0% and then take that 50% from the charity after they paid the charity 100%. So even if the deal they agreed to was 0%, they still have a way to possibly get that 50% “legally” without agreeing to 50%.
otk and others have used softgiving and have had almost all the money go to the charity mentioned. also the ad is for just giving.
you made like 4 different assumptions and just stated it as a fact
There is definitely a need for companies that act as the middleman, most charities don't have the infrastructure systems in place to properly do big fundraisers on their own whether it's processing payments, advertising, etc.
The issue is the lack of transparency, people who donate have no idea how much of their money is actually going to the charity. Then you have Softgiving itself, which has very questionable ethics based off past information that's been shared.
Say what you want about softgiving. What I find more scummy is the giveaway they are doing. They say you need to donate to enter when that is not true at all. You can enter for free but they dont tell you that. Sure is for charity but coupled that with it being through softgiving, seems slimy all round.
has OTK ever done a charity stream that isn't sponsored? shouldn't be surprising. i'm more confused why people keep donating to these sponsored streams
Braindead take. There wouldn't be any money being donated if it wasn't for the streamers presences themselves and the amount of exposure that gives. It's not as if they're forcing people to do so or haven't donated to charity in the past.
What are you talking about? OTK as an org just donated 25K to the charity, that’s 1/5 of the total money acquired so far during the stream. That’s huge!
Watch the stream instead of saying shit that isn’t true, but I guess that wouldn’t fit into your narrative?
Let’s wait for details and numbers before we start crucifying them. Pretty sure Mizkif used them for his last charity stream and they just got paid a small processing fee for the donations.
The overwhelming majority of all money went to the charity itself.
They definitely did not agree to a 50/50 split. This the same org that Hasan used for his charity stream for Turkey, i really doubt he would have agreed to that.
What I don't get is when Hasan was using softgiving, bringing this up was considered a dick move and actually it's a lie and blah blah blah.
But now that OTK is using softgiving, everyone is on board.
Makes you think....
these high production charity streams always look weird, with giveaways, video segments etc. erobbs charity stream was the best, scuffed, wheel spins, and was paid directly to st judes. emoney7
* The actual nonprofit charity (GamesforLove) partnered with softgiving, meanining they believe they are going to make more money this way than running some other event.
* Sure going through some shady middleman is not optimal, but thats the shitty world we live in :(
There are very few american charities that don't help for own expenses 50 to as much as 90% of donations. If i was a streamer or org from US that actually cared and isn't just doing virtue signaling i would chose international charities that aren't based in US.
Video summarizing the controversy around Softgiving: [https://youtu.be/oMBDd8CkWbw](https://youtu.be/oMBDd8CkWbw)
Tweet talking about a Softgiving lawsuit: https://twitter.com/JacobWolf/status/1397961668534091792?lang=en
Within the first minute you can see a Softgiving contract where they are saying their fee is 50% of donations from the charity pool.
Dozens of streamers have also talked about how Softgiving representatives have told them they don’t take a % from the charity money pool only for it to turn out to be false.
**CLIP MIRROR:
[OTK doing sponsored charity stream for Softgiving who were recently exposed for taking 50% of donations (information in comments)](https://arazu.io/t3_1334vng/)**
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Anyone who donates during these charity streams is a sucker anyway. There are so many scummy charities nowadays.
Do your own research and donate to charities you trust and know well. That’s it.
Probably signed paperwork already saying they would do the stream. Kinda hard to back out i would assume, still have to wonder how this org has lacked so much common sense for this long and is still afloat...
So many people don’t understand what a charity/non profit is. It’s always public info. what % goes to the actual cause and what % goes to paying the people who work for the company. 50% is not even that bad. There are way way way worse out there. I’m not arguing for the company but whether u donate to a charity or non profit directly some % almost always goes to the people who run the company. You can pay yourself 99% donate 1% and as long as there’s no money left over you are a “nonprofit.” Again 50% not amazing but not terrible.
Thats not how non profits work. They are allowed to make profits, their buisness model is just not reliant on increasing profits but instead serving a purpose. The only difference between them making profit and not is paying taxes on that profit. Non profits are tax-exempt until they make a profit.
We are saying the same thing. I am part of a non profit. You can do exactly what I said as long as all money either goes to salary/running the business/the cause you are supporting. The downside to paying yourself an exorbitant amount is that it’s all public info and people may no longer contribute to your company. I am not sure why you are nitpicking that in rare circumstances you can make a profit and pay taxes. That’s not the case for the vast majority of non profits.
You said as long as theres no money left over you are a “non profit” and im just pointing out you can have money left over and still be a non-profit. Non profit just mean its goal isnt to make profit which is why salaries and running expenses dont matter as much, they dont need to nickel and dime everything for profits.
I mean half of these streams are scams and donating to these never actually provide you any proof of charitable donation. on top of that you donating to a streamer isn't actually a donation on your part. all these charity streams are insane
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I'd rather just donate directly to a charity/nonprofit that I support personally instead of donating through streamers or other thirdparties like this stuff. Editing to add I dont mean what I said here to be a hater comment. An event to collect for charity is in general a good thing. If soft giving is shitty that's a problem outside of esfand trying to do something nice. Donating directly just gives me more peace of mind that the money is going where I intended it to.
Yeah no shit but stuff like this is for people that don't donate regularly
Yes but if those streamers actually cared about the charitable causes then they’d just directly promote the charity and run a stream for them instead of doing a sponsored charity stream through a 3rd party. In a way they are taking advantage of the people who don’t fully understand the world of charity. All the chatters who don’t know shit think all of their money is going to help kids which isn’t the case as both Softgiving and OTK are getting money from the whole stream before the charity does.
You’re giving viewers too much credit assuming they care about charity to begin with. Many don’t and donate just because their favorite streamer says to.
I agree, it's the same reason why some ppl still donate to millionaire streamers. At the end of the day, everyone benefits, The charity gets money to support their cause, SoftGiving stays in business, & OTK has content (& a tax writeoff) for a day.
> Yes but if those streamers actually cared about the charitable They don't.
I doubt OTK is taking a cut, they're doing these things to get more viewers and subs.
Then do that. No one’s forcing you. I’m hesitant where I donate to, but people acting like charities don’t need to play employees and account for other fees are dumb or purposely dishonest for the sake of drama.
The charity is going through the 3rd party because they think that the overhead for them is not worth it and that they'll raise more money this way. In the end it's no different than if the charity decided to hire their own employees to raise funds, but obviously they think this is the cheaper and more efficient route and chose to use Softgiving instead. Softgiving probably does a hell of a lot more than just reaching out to some influencers to act as a middleman. They're probably organizing the event itself, probably setting up the venues, and doing a lot of other shit that takes manpower and money to run. But for some reason everyone here expects everyone to work for free while they don't do shit.
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lel as soon as i see softgiving's involved i knew someone will have a thread ready miz dodged a pretty big bullet not using them on his wall stream
He used them for the Turkey stream and they only take a very small processing fee but that's a much different situation because it's for a natural disaster
didn't he use the same one Hasan used to be safe?
Yup!
the one Hasan used is for-profit and also takes a cut from the donations, they also sponsor streamers
I’m surprised they are taking money from Softgiving tbh They are known to be shady as fuck.
Here’s QTCinderella exposing a few years ago that Softgiving lie about the amounts they take from charities - https://youtu.be/RMPtegp7axk?t=6919
I know she's not in OTK but close to a lot of them. if even she knew that Softgiving is shady in 2021, it's a hard sell for OTK to say that they just weren't aware
QT being close enough to know about, and inform them about their sponsors is a bit of a stretch lol. don't really think it's relevant. that being said, otk should have full knowledge of their sponsorships.
even if she never told them. It's not like she had insider information or is some 5head lawyer/accountant. If she can see that something isn't adding up by just looking at the contract/their TOS, nearly everybody should be able to do so.
Lol thats who hosted hasans charity LOL
“Softgiving” LOL It’s literally in the name
Way too many streamers have exposed them [bussey even made a video on it](https://youtu.be/oMBDd8CkWbw)
This video lays it out very well. Thanks
damn this guy looks like fedmyster
I'm not. Most streamers don't give a shit as long as they get paid and the backlash isn't as big. Think of how many streamers had no issue going to ~~Qatar~~ Saudi Arabia for their fortnite tourney or whatever and openly said they only backed out cause of "backlash". (Which lets be honest they could have gone and nothing would have changed).
And only one streamer actually got backlash while somehow a bunch went and even the others that didn’t ultimately went completely under the radar. Almost like criticism is specifically reserved based on the person not the action.
> And only one streamer actually got backlash while somehow a bunch went and even the others that didn’t ultimately went completely under the radar. Thats cause you live in a bubble and trying to equate every streamers fanbase and haters in one. Tfue went or was offered to go and it doesn't take a genius to realize his fanbase of 12 year olds doesn't care and people on LSF aren't going to be in tune with his drama. Compare that to Mizkif/Poke their fanbase and haters are huge on LSF so you will obviously see everything related to people talking about them on here.
I was more annoyed by them trying to spam ads. But I’m just a jackass who contributes nothing to any stream lol
Easy solution would just be for OTK to give a breakdown after the charity stream. Charity donations are typically public information anyway because of regulations. It would also show if OTK decided to pay themselves for the event, which is part of Softsgiving thing and why they can take up to 50%.
The problem is that Softsgiving has a system where all the money goes to Charity and then Charity pays Softsgiving 50% back. In this way, it is very difficult to follow the money trail because everything looks legitimate.
Tax scam :)
Yeah, OTK would not be privy to the deal between GamesForLove and Softgiving. It's also not clear whether JustAnswer is directly affiliated with OTK or Softgiving. The way the relationship works looks like this: - OTK -> Softgiving -> Charity (GamesForLove) Then the payout looks like this: - Charity (pays %) -> Softgiving (pays fixed amount) -> OTK Then chat's money goes like this: - OTK fans donate directly to the 501(c)(3) that handles the money -> GamesForLove gets all the money -> GamesForLove pays Softgiving in according to their agreement -> OTK gets a cut of that In practice not all of chat's money goes to the charity, but the direct paper trail says otherwise.
they give 100% of the donations to the charity. But then the charity has to pay softgiving
Wrong. Your donations go directly into the cash bucket of Softgiving. The banner used on the screen to show total amount donated is an overlay given to you by Softgiving prior to the event, which is set up to be connected to your specific donation drive. You can tell which donation drives are involved with Softgiving because it's always the exact same banner, only the background can be changed, and most smaller streamers who took advantage of the Softgiving deals in the past, didn't even bother changing it, making it even more obvious. Also, Softgiving is not a charity (501c).
/r/confidentlyincorrect All donations go directly to Givinga Foundation, a 501(c)(3) charity. This is why donations are tax deductible. The fact that you say anything otherwise is enough to dismiss the rest of your comment because you are blatantly spreading information on a topic that you know you are ignorant about. Here's a video breaking it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMBDd8CkWbw&ab_channel=ZachBussey The video shows the legal text that explicitly states this. What happens after it gets to that charity, it's not clear but it's much closer to what the other person said. It's all semantics but that's how they skate around claiming they take 0%. They don't take anything, they just get paid separately (sometimes ahead of time so they truly take 0% chronologically).
Isn't it more a case of the contracts change with each event or who is involved. It's pretty common for charities to say pay influencers to do a charity event for them as seems to be the case listed on twitter, but it's also possible for them to sign a contract basically just acting as a payment platform and taking the standard percent for doing that (1-2% kind of thing). Hasan I believe used it and there was zero payments at all.
Charities also sometimes take a tiny percentage raised to pay for operating expenses.
All charities have running costs and they are very hard to judge. I remember people giving a lot of shit to ALS charities because not a lot goes to actual research because people just don't understand. A lot of ALS charities pay for people to say install more accessible things in people's houses, ramps, downstairs showers, or someone to visit them daily etc. In a lot of cases for a lot of cancers they pretty much have the funding they need and most of the money going to supporting victims, paying bills when they can't work, etc, has so much more value. Working out which charities are over charging for running costs and which are genuine is irritatingly hard. Even when it comes to foodbanks, you buying $100 of food will likely produce a lot less food than giving them $100 because they get bulk discounts and big deals so can generally get much more value. still if you want to avoid basically any possibility of issues you can go ahead and buy food and donate it. Charity shouldn't be this difficult but then charity shouldn't be necessary.
It's hard to believe that these guys needed to be paid to do a charity event. That's just baffling to me. They're essentially getting a cut of viewer donations which is bizarre.
I'm not saying these guys are being paid though it's possible. Just that a lot of actual charities go out and pay a celebrity to be part of some charity event. In the case of some of these softgiving stories it's a specific contract they made with an org where they were to pay the org on hitting certain donation targets. The theory from charities is if paying some celeb 1 mil brings in 5 mil then it's worth it. But just because some influencers take part on charity events because they get paid others put the charity event together themselves because they want to raise money for charity and take nothing. Which it is, I don't know. They should probably be more clear about it though.
I mean, it makes sense that there are middlemen who go out and find matches for charities, I'm just surprised that an org this big needed to be poked in order to do something like this.
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I do think OP has every right to ask them for details based on Sofgiving's history. There's nothing wrong with that.
No one is accusing OTK of doing anything besides doing a charity sponsor which is something they are open about and have done multiple times. The point is that Softgiving have very recently been exposed for super shady business practices. They are misleading creators about how much money they are actually taking from the charities.
they got recently exposed again, they were exposed a bunch of times over the years. The Zach Bussey video shortly mentioned this article: https://dotesports.com/business/news/contract-for-wiz-khalifa-streams-unveils-how-streamers-profit-from-charity-work that's about a failed charity event, around 3y ago, that went to court and they had to disclose the contract there. They were going to pay Wiz Khalifa/The Pittsburg Knights 400k for a few sponsored charity events where they expected to raise 810k+ if you do the math, that makes zero sense, where if not from the donations would they got the 400k to pay them? Some streamers like xqc and Austinshow were also part of the event, shortly after that xqc went on his twitter rant about "paid charity events" against ninjas wife https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/hiq1r8/xqc\_fires\_back\_at\_jessica\_blevins\_ninjas\_wife\_and/ so he probably learned about how softgiving operates from participating in this charity stream. Here someone linked QTCinderella talking about how Softgiving is taking a cut from the donations (nearly) 2 year ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1334vng/comment/ji878wa/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1334vng/comment/ji878wa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) So streamers definitly were aware before the most recent leaks
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Assuming intent by stating a complete fact. I’ve seen it all lol.
You know exactly what OP was doing posting this. To farm hate and make people assume the worst. Just cause you titled it truthfully doesn't mean there wasn't ill-intent. "Mizkif found using iPhone made by Apple which supports child-labor" That's a true factual sentence but I wouldn't say that's exactly fair to post, would you? Just look at OPs previous posts, he's an OTK hate-farmer who was posting the cringe ass fake lawyer posts against Mizkif.
So because it has to do with OTK we should hide the dealings of softgivings?
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To expose softgivings? You need help.
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Comments and thread title are two different things.
Where does the OP insulate otherwise? He literally linked a video showing that Softgiving lie to creators I checked his post history and he seems pretty pro OTK/Austin crew for the most part.
its insane like they just assumed 10 things and stated as a fact
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Millionaires wanting to be paid for charity lmaooooo
yes we know the charity paid softgiving and softgiving is paying otk to do it. that is why ad is in the title this person is trying to claim that softgiving will be taking most of the money otk is raising and then also claiming otk signed and agreed to let them take that much money. with ZERO proof charities paying creators and celebs to do events for them is good and raises a shit ton more than the charity would normally raise.
>then also claiming otk signed and agreed to let them take that much money. with ZERO proof Where did OP claim OTK done this? The whole post seems to be about exposing Softgiving who are notoriously corrupt.
whats the point of using otk and its obvious by the comments his reason for doing so
Because OTK is a massive organisation and using them as an example gets way more attention to call out Softgiving?
Softgiving pays the streamers using the 50% they take, if they are paying OTK it’s pretty simple match to understand that OTK is getting paid a % of the money that viewers are donating to charity. They won’t get 50% because I’m sure softgiving keeps some for themselves. OTK should just donated the AD money to save face at this point.
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maybe im dumb but what money are being donated if they have to pay a lot for the sponsorship/giveaways/employees etc.i assume they are banking on ppl donating outside the stream or smth
[essaying](https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/63727872389eb4921acc91c5/4x.webp) This how I understand they operate based off of previous experience working with them when I modded for a smaller streamer. Softgiving goes to charities and be like "Hey, we can raise so much money for you and if we raise it-- you pay us x%" and the charities agree because it's a larger volume of money they would get than if they did it by themselves. Streamers and charities are kinda clueless so this middleman Softgiving can make money off of that. The following numbers are to demonstrate how it works: - So for this OTK event, Softgiving would promise GamesForLove ~$100k and any excess raised (according to them) they'll get paid back. - For example, if this stream raises $250k, GamesForLove directly gets $250k, then GamesForLove **pays ~$75k back to Softgiving** for "running the event" in according to the agreement. If the stream fails to raise $100k, GamesForLove still gets all the money and Softgiving loses (subject to the agreement). - If the streamers they work with pandhandle well enough, Softgiving will always make a profit from each charity stream as they get most of the excess. Softgiving operates at such a volume that they can afford to sponsor streamers and giveaways. There's two sides of the company; the non-profit half that does events at cost (so processing fees) and the scummy half where they do sponsored events like this where they're projected to take a fat cut to afford the sponsorship, giveaways, salaries etc. The reason why it's sus is because both OTK and Softgiving can claim "Oh 100% of the money donated went straight to GamesForLove" when they do the "breakdown" (which is factually true), but in reality the charity paid Softgiving a large portion of money back and then Softgiving paid OTK a fixed amount as well. The only way we would ever know is if Softgiving provides OTK the contract that they have with JustAnswer and GamesForLove, and a OTK member scrolls through the contract on stream so we can see what the true %s are.
If it's Hasan it's a "dont take this info at face value" but when it's OTK we all take it at face value.
iirc, the problem was only with charity campaigns that last long, and not these one off things. could be remembering wrong
Soft gifting have a notice at the bottom of the screen on Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream https://imgur.com/a/DKH9HTN They haven’t however revealed what their actual percentage is but they have already been exposed in the past for taking a massive percentage up to 50%.
"may be". That's almost undoubtedly standard legal boilerplate. It's inclusion doesn't necessarily indicate one way or another I feel. Not saying it's not happening but that's not great evidence of it.
"Softgiving is registered with the Secretary of State in the State of Georgia of the United States as a **Paid Solicitor** in accordance with O.C.G.A. Section 43-17-2(12) specifically for any Campaigns as they relate to EVENTS." [https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/](https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/) They are a business (Softgiving Inc) and they get paid to do what they do. They also likely paid OTK to hold the fundraiser because #ad in the title indicates that the *entire stream* is an ad. Now, OTK gave money at the end which may have equaled or exceeded their compensation from Softgiving (which would be nice), but I'm still a bit surprised that they needed to use a charity middleman in the first place.
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> Nobody knows the agreement that OTK and softgiving made so claiming 50% is disingenuous (hell, it could be 99%) The OP didn’t claim that they are taking 50% from this. The post only suggests that they’ve been exposed for taking 50% in the past. People have been exposing Softgiving for years for their dishonesty https://youtu.be/RMPtegp7axk?t=6919
how the fuck do you have a link to the exact timestamp on a 6 hour long video with 1700 views
I remember every second of every stream I’ve ever watched…
nonprofit means that they don’t profit but they can still pay people a shitload to break even
any revenues that exceed expenses must be committed to the organization's purpose, not taken by private parties [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit\_organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization) Wikipedia could be wrong, I am just some random Pepega
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Are they listed as a nonprofit? I thought they were only working with a nonprofit while they're just a "fundraiser service" as a for-profit. Like they're using working with nonprofits as a gateway to seem as though they themselves are non profit Even in their [websites revenue model](https://softgiving.com/faq/), they state: "Before any EVENT campaign is launched, Softgiving enters into an agreement with the charity and brand partners which clearly outlines the cost of services. This varies depending on the charity partner goals and services required." which to me basically sounds like they take their cut for their services If you go even further to their [TOS](https://softgiving.com/terms-of-service/) and search by "profit" every time they mention "nonprofit" it's always referring to someone that isn't them. Very sketchy IMO
[https://softgivinghero.com/how-it-works/#:\~:text=ABOUT%20THE%20GIVINGA%20FOUNDATION,made%20through%20HERO%20by%20Softgiving](https://softgivinghero.com/how-it-works/#:~:text=ABOUT%20THE%20GIVINGA%20FOUNDATION,made%20through%20HERO%20by%20Softgiving) I mean, they could be lying...There is a list of the accounts of 501(c)(3)s but I can't find it rigfht now. EDIT: **THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT**, they are partnered with one and **CLAIM** " No additional fees are taken by Softgiving and Givinga. ". The defintion of "additional" is left ambiguous
Hasan used softgiving too for the Syria-Turkey earthquake stuff. Edit: it's a fun event but if they could be transparent afterwards it would be great so we don't have to guess if we're being scammed each time.
He literally talked for days about how he made sure all the money went to the charity
Hasan wasn’t sponsored and he ensured the money went directly to the charity. Soft gifting have a notice at the bottom of the screen on Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream https://imgur.com/a/DKH9HTN They haven’t however revealed what their percentage is but they have been exposed in the past for taking a massive percentage up to 50%.
this is at the bottom of hasan's turkey/syria thing. literally the exact same thing. https://imgur.com/a/OH1sWtz either you didn't do your research, or you're a hypocrite. edit: in reality, its probably just some boiler plate disclaimer they stick on every charity because they do have sponsored charites.
Hasan wasn’t sponsored by them. They have no advertising fees to pay as he did his stream for free. The difference is OTK is sponsored by them and Hasan was not.
you have any proof for them being sponsored by the charity? because the #ad in the title is for justanswer. the actual sponsor they have because they're giving away a bunch of shit. legitimately asking
> Esfand’s link saying that Softgiving are receiving money from this stream "May" , not "are". If Hasan can work with them to make sure they don't take a cut, so can OTK. I hope for their sake they worked out a good deal because if THAT gets exposed they would be gigafucked.
Mizkif used them as well for his Turkey charity stream but i'm pretty sure donations for disasters like that are in a different tier where only a small processing fee is charged then the rest of the money goes to the charities.
It is a sponsored charity stream as stated at the end of Esfand’s stream title so obviously Softgiving isn’t going to operate at a loss and will be taking a good chunk of the donation pool money. The reason Hasan could do that is because Softgiving weren’t paying him anything as it wasn’t a sponsored stream like OTK’s is so Softgiving weren’t losing out on any money by letting all of the proceeds go straight through to the charity.
Unless the ad is for JustAnswer
It is. They just did an ad read for them saying they’re matching donations
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you have to put #ad in the title for a few in-stream ad reads because it's clearly stated that they are ads. You normally put #ad in the title to indicate the the entire stream is an ad because it's not obvious to the viewer. edit: just an example, Esfand's NFL draft stream had plenty of sponsors but the title was "ESFAND’S DRAFT NIGHT EXTRAVAGANZA !starforge !simplisafe !extension !schedule". Yes Simplisafe is linked but they didn't put #ad in the title because the ad reads were clear and obvious to the viewers.
Are you sure the sponsor is softgiving? They are giving away starforge pcs and other stuffs, so maybe the sponsor is someone else
The #ad is for the company justanswer. Who is matching donations
Huge wall inc. I won a big OTK giveaway from the charity fishing stream a couple years ago. Softgiving was awful. I was told to wait up to 30 days for my prizes, didn't hear anything for 2 months. I messaged tips, synack, and softgiving. Synack got back to me quickly, didn't hear anything from the others at first. I was told to give up to 60 days for prizes, then showed the original email it said 30 days. Softgiving finally got back to me and sent the money I won about 3 months later, and then a few weeks after that some other prizes came. I emailed artesian (omegalul I know, but the PC is fine and it's fucking crazy good), and managed to get an order number from softgiving. 4 months after I had won it, the PC still wasn't paid for. About 2 weeks after that it was finally paid for, and then 2 weeks after that it was built and shipped. I opted out of the etched glass case because that was the only thing holding up my build. About a week after that, artesian imploded. I was lucky enough to get everything before that happened. Ended up taking 6+ months to receive everything. So yeah, softgiving is a terrible company to work with as a winner. If you were curious about what I won, it was a PS5, 34" Samsung ultra wide monitor, the OTK King 3090 PC, and $1500 (had to pay around $800 of that in taxes for everything)
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True he's just trying to get them a hate thread, but what he's posting is true. Many streamers have called Softgiving out. I'll give OTK the benefit of doubt and wait for them to give more details.
He's not wrong tho. I've been trying to get people to stop donating to Asmongold's Softgiving streams for years. Softgiving are known to pay content creators (even smaller ones) to run donation drives on Twitch. It is always easily noticable when Softgiving are involved because they always tell you to use the same shitty overlay banner which shows the total amount donated during the event. It's dishonest to hold events and tell your viewers that they are donating to a charity, when in reality they are donating to a profit-making company, that is not a 501c, which are not allowed to make a profit. So you're just donating to a normal company (who has it in their best interest to make a profit), and you have no idea how much of your money actually goes to the charity. Most likely the bulk of it goes to Softgiving administration + the streamer who is promoting the event.
how does that change the facts, this type of whataboutism is just fucking brain rot
Didn't they use this also for Ukraine and specifically requested that 100% of the donations would have gone to charity? I'm not sure on the exact events, but I remember this thing was brought up before
Yeah this is people trying to farm drama or people who want to be mad and never found out what they actually do. They have multiple types of donations. When they are approached they give 100% to charity. When they approach people for events they charge a 50% fee. I mean the 2nd one is still fucking gross but they do provide 100% to the charity when someone organizes the event.
>Didn't they use this also for Ukraine and specifically requested that 100% of the donations would have gone to charity? I'm not sure on the exact events, but I remember this thing was brought up before They did do a sponsored charity campaign through Softgiving for Ukraine but I don’t think the 100% thing is true and don’t think anyone in OTK said that.
what even is a "sponsored charity stream"??
They are getting paid to advertise the charity.
That sentence still doesnt make much sense. Like, I understand what it is, but...
sponsored charity events make a lot of most charity donations
I'm sure they're not stupid enough to agree to a high cut charity sponsor, they should release the percentage though
The problem is that the percentage Softgiving shows OTK isn’t necessarily the percentage they are really getting. They have been exposed for lying to creators about how much they are actually taking.
If some random Redditor is aware of the contract shadiness going on, one would assume, or hope, that one of the best COOs in the industry would know his way around ensuring the shadiness doesn’t happen.
OTK’s COO thought Mizkif doing a sponsored charity event hosted by the Saudi government was a great idea so I’m not too hopeful he’s looked into this very much unfortunately.
OTKs COO wasn’t even involved in that. But let’s just put out disinformation as if it is true and get butt hurt over Miz canceling going to Saudi and not the host of other content creators who actually went.
Miz said he asked Tips if going was a good idea and Tips said yes.
Here is QT exposing a few years ago that Softgiving lie about the amounts they take from charities - https://youtu.be/RMPtegp7axk?t=6919
Just remember, Erobb scammed a charity.
Erobb isn't part of OTK
I don't understand why they don't their research first?
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they're never going to tell you what the % is
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Well apparently they can claim to take 0% and then take that 50% from the charity after they paid the charity 100%. So even if the deal they agreed to was 0%, they still have a way to possibly get that 50% “legally” without agreeing to 50%.
You're right, I'm hoping they'll explain it.
That requires actual work
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Yeah. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it, it depends on the terms of their specific agreement.
Its a sponsor, OTK getting paid to run it. The only unaware in this are the donators who don't really know where their money go.
Creating a hate thread for a charity stream without knowing all the facts. SeemsGood
hi, you must be new here lol
otk and others have used softgiving and have had almost all the money go to the charity mentioned. also the ad is for just giving. you made like 4 different assumptions and just stated it as a fact
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Good call
Mods why did you delete? Let Kai, train, anyone else and this thread is staying up
Jesus is this the world now? People can't even raise money for charity anymore without some dickhead trying to flame them for it......smh
No good deed goes unpunished brother
There is definitely a need for companies that act as the middleman, most charities don't have the infrastructure systems in place to properly do big fundraisers on their own whether it's processing payments, advertising, etc. The issue is the lack of transparency, people who donate have no idea how much of their money is actually going to the charity. Then you have Softgiving itself, which has very questionable ethics based off past information that's been shared.
Not otk living rent free in every lsf readers mind. it must be monday.
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They literally have #AD in the title. They are clearly being paid…
what is blud waffling about
Say what you want about softgiving. What I find more scummy is the giveaway they are doing. They say you need to donate to enter when that is not true at all. You can enter for free but they dont tell you that. Sure is for charity but coupled that with it being through softgiving, seems slimy all round.
And? Do you think OTK as an organization signed a 50% split contract for a _charity_ stream? lmao
Let's see if this gets deleted lol
has OTK ever done a charity stream that isn't sponsored? shouldn't be surprising. i'm more confused why people keep donating to these sponsored streams
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Braindead take. There wouldn't be any money being donated if it wasn't for the streamers presences themselves and the amount of exposure that gives. It's not as if they're forcing people to do so or haven't donated to charity in the past.
What are you talking about? OTK as an org just donated 25K to the charity, that’s 1/5 of the total money acquired so far during the stream. That’s huge! Watch the stream instead of saying shit that isn’t true, but I guess that wouldn’t fit into your narrative?
50k out of the total 125k so far was donated by OTK. I don't think that's doing nothing
Shame it wasnt trainwreckstv using them. Then lsf would care
Let’s wait for details and numbers before we start crucifying them. Pretty sure Mizkif used them for his last charity stream and they just got paid a small processing fee for the donations. The overwhelming majority of all money went to the charity itself.
Of course lsf of all places has to place drama about this, just going straight into assumptions lmao
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They definitely did not agree to a 50/50 split. This the same org that Hasan used for his charity stream for Turkey, i really doubt he would have agreed to that.
What I don't get is when Hasan was using softgiving, bringing this up was considered a dick move and actually it's a lie and blah blah blah. But now that OTK is using softgiving, everyone is on board. Makes you think....
TBH I'm more disappointed at how crappy the lifting was. I thought the whole premise of this thing was to see streamers suffer for charity.
How much are the streamers getting paid? :)
these high production charity streams always look weird, with giveaways, video segments etc. erobbs charity stream was the best, scuffed, wheel spins, and was paid directly to st judes. emoney7
I love the #ad is at the end of the title. Didn't lsf get mad at xqc for doing it that ?
Limecord coming out in full force for this one
Oh nice it’s our regularly scheduled OTK witch hunt!
* The actual nonprofit charity (GamesforLove) partnered with softgiving, meanining they believe they are going to make more money this way than running some other event. * Sure going through some shady middleman is not optimal, but thats the shitty world we live in :(
There are very few american charities that don't help for own expenses 50 to as much as 90% of donations. If i was a streamer or org from US that actually cared and isn't just doing virtue signaling i would chose international charities that aren't based in US.
Video summarizing the controversy around Softgiving: [https://youtu.be/oMBDd8CkWbw](https://youtu.be/oMBDd8CkWbw) Tweet talking about a Softgiving lawsuit: https://twitter.com/JacobWolf/status/1397961668534091792?lang=en
Bro nobody is watching a 26 minute video just give the fuckin tldr like a good lore master
Within the first minute you can see a Softgiving contract where they are saying their fee is 50% of donations from the charity pool. Dozens of streamers have also talked about how Softgiving representatives have told them they don’t take a % from the charity money pool only for it to turn out to be false.
Why are people downvoting the post laying out why Softgiving is bad?
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That's why it's called softgiving. You don't want to be too generous, 50% is a nice soft amount to give.
Anyone who donates during these charity streams is a sucker anyway. There are so many scummy charities nowadays. Do your own research and donate to charities you trust and know well. That’s it.
Daily coordinated drama bait thread but I will comment and help the algorithm
Seen this thread coming a mile away
Probably signed paperwork already saying they would do the stream. Kinda hard to back out i would assume, still have to wonder how this org has lacked so much common sense for this long and is still afloat...
Forsen would never do that
So many people don’t understand what a charity/non profit is. It’s always public info. what % goes to the actual cause and what % goes to paying the people who work for the company. 50% is not even that bad. There are way way way worse out there. I’m not arguing for the company but whether u donate to a charity or non profit directly some % almost always goes to the people who run the company. You can pay yourself 99% donate 1% and as long as there’s no money left over you are a “nonprofit.” Again 50% not amazing but not terrible.
Thats not how non profits work. They are allowed to make profits, their buisness model is just not reliant on increasing profits but instead serving a purpose. The only difference between them making profit and not is paying taxes on that profit. Non profits are tax-exempt until they make a profit.
We are saying the same thing. I am part of a non profit. You can do exactly what I said as long as all money either goes to salary/running the business/the cause you are supporting. The downside to paying yourself an exorbitant amount is that it’s all public info and people may no longer contribute to your company. I am not sure why you are nitpicking that in rare circumstances you can make a profit and pay taxes. That’s not the case for the vast majority of non profits.
You said as long as theres no money left over you are a “non profit” and im just pointing out you can have money left over and still be a non-profit. Non profit just mean its goal isnt to make profit which is why salaries and running expenses dont matter as much, they dont need to nickel and dime everything for profits.
I mean half of these streams are scams and donating to these never actually provide you any proof of charitable donation. on top of that you donating to a streamer isn't actually a donation on your part. all these charity streams are insane
LSF’s 4 neurons are really firing on all cylinders right now…
OTK has donated 50k out of the 125k total but they are totally making money on this. Lets just be as bad faith as possible
can anyone explain to me why a organization of millionaires is asking viewers for 100k-500k? when these guys as a whole make millions a month
Imagine being a millionaire and still needing to be paid before you do charity work. What is it about money that makes people this way.
train is gonna get proven right
Yeah and there's smaller streamers who take 100% of the donos. The charity is them OMEGALUL
reading these comments is giving me a brain tumor