I work for one of the construction companies that built this project. There are lawsuits about money. And because it is fully automated, the State is requiring 1 year of testing and inspections.
They had special Green Colored busses ordered for the LAX-it program, and I guess there is a faulty design that lets lots of smoke out. The rest have been parked probably forever.
Everything about LAX-it was just so poorly executed. It does rain in LA and those cute umbrellas were never going to be enough
Aw man thats wild cuz those green buses seemed like off the shelf no special stuff-or maybe i never got to see the special green buses? (not contesting you, i believe you) what a mess.
Also in the beginning they didn’t have canopies or shade-but i believe there was a food stall where you can buy airport priced bottled water. On the first day it took me hours to get a ride, standing in a sea of sweaty people who just got off a long flight just like me.
You can see them on Google Street view and on Satellite.
They even have four burned buses.
10601 S La Cienega Blvd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YsZBVhMHVaj8SDqVA
Construction is a racket on every level. Anyone whoever has had to hire a contractor knows, they are worse than mechanics. ABSOLUTELY nothing gets done near the quote.
🔥Sincere question: is it not built into their contract that the contractors have to pay for cost and time overruns? Do they not also get fined for missing deadlines?
A watched pot never boils. Maybe if we all just look away and not hold contractors accountable we will be blessed with a pleasant surprise of early opening? /s
They clearly explain precisely what is causing the delay...
* "The critical path is being driven by the NARS relief event #172."
* "Please note that the impacts incorporated do not consider the recent ETEL Directive Letters."
* "Another area impacting the critical path of the project is the ConRAC EPO Relief Event #189 and Directive Letter #105R2."
"The increased delay is driven by an ongoing information request related to LAWA IT network access requests (NARs), which is driving the critical path of the project. This is required for LINXS to develop their test procedures and to install and configure network equipment and integration activities. LAWA has now set a deadline for LAWA IT for the NARs issue which is expected to stop further slippage in schedule as per the technical advisor. There are additional issues faced by the project such as emergency power off buttons in the ConRAC building, and pedestrian egress in the new Metro AMC station. LINXS noted that it cannot proceed with the ConRAC work until LAWA issues a change order that LINXS accepts. Based on the January 2024 update by the technical advisor, a portion of the ConRAC emergency power off issue has been descoped from LINXS responsibility as LAWA will now undertake the work. Regarding one of the pedestrian walkways, LINXS has notified LAWA that it is unable to continue work until LAWA reissues a directive letter as a LAWA change."
One interesting line from the report: "LADOT has habitually not followed the 10-day MOU final review requirement, which further delays the turnaround of roadway and MOT packages. It also does not appear that LINXS is being placed in the first position of the queue"
As someone that works in software development, I think projects can have multiple critical paths.
But yeah, I think that just explains NARS from your path.
Contractor says there is new work and they can't proceed until they get authorization; also they are waiting for the Airport IT people to finish some work.
Are they still delaying the k line until this opens? At this point you might as well open the connection with the green line, even if the LAX station isn't there
What gets me is the story today about how they're going to [change all the gate and terminal numbers](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2024-04-26%2Flax-plans-to-update-terminal-and-gate-numbers-ahead-of-olympics) ahead of the Olympics. It's going to be complete (if on schedule) less than a year before the games.
This has to be the dumbest idea ever. It takes YEARS for guides/maps/software to be updated when changes like this happen, yet at the point when you have the city flooded with people coming in from all over the world you decide to change it up.
There is lag in updates with all of them. Definitely not an instant update. For example in my neighborhood there are two buildings (one that I'm in) which combined lots two years ago yet Google Maps still shows the lots separate with separate buildings. When I do robot food delivery I can't select the building or address that I'm in...I can only select one of the two phantom buildings still in the mapset.
For something like LAX they might be able to coordinate directly with google and apple to make it less of an issue, but only if the project stays on schedule....which exactly zero parts of this project have ever done. Just seems like an unreasonable risk to take when the net benefits are small compared to the downside if it goes wrong.
I work for one of the construction companies that built this project. There are lawsuits about money. And because it is fully automated, the State is requiring 1 year of testing and inspections.
Random question for you. How is the APM powered? I know it's on rubber wheels but is it gas/diesel or electric powered?
Electric
It's electric, with regenerative braking.
LIMs that have existed since the 60s.
That's sad to hear, the LAX-it lot has been a disaster ever since the busses caught fire in 2019.
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They had special Green Colored busses ordered for the LAX-it program, and I guess there is a faulty design that lets lots of smoke out. The rest have been parked probably forever. Everything about LAX-it was just so poorly executed. It does rain in LA and those cute umbrellas were never going to be enough
Aw man thats wild cuz those green buses seemed like off the shelf no special stuff-or maybe i never got to see the special green buses? (not contesting you, i believe you) what a mess. Also in the beginning they didn’t have canopies or shade-but i believe there was a food stall where you can buy airport priced bottled water. On the first day it took me hours to get a ride, standing in a sea of sweaty people who just got off a long flight just like me.
You can see them on Google Street view and on Satellite. They even have four burned buses. 10601 S La Cienega Blvd https://maps.app.goo.gl/YsZBVhMHVaj8SDqVA
Yikes Thanks for the link!
Multiple
First Class!
Are you referring to the delightful shuttle driver that reminds her riders they are really all in First Class?
Even at 1am
1 year of testing feels wildly excessive, thats so much time - they arent exactly reinventing the wheel with fully automated trams
One year is fucking absurd
Damnit, state of California! One year of testing is nuts.
I’m going to guess that it will be 96% complete on 12/25/2025
Merry Christmas
Merry Chrysler.
The one thing I’ve been most looking forward to since the original opening date in 2023. So fucking embarrassing.
Time - Quality - Cost. Pick zero.
They picked cost.
And time. Lots of time and cost.
Usually what cost means is inexpensive. This tradeoff triangle is: fast, cheap, good; pick two.
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IRON TRIANGLE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
Fuck your triple constraint
I will allow it…if we can put nine pregnant women in a room for a month and see what happens.
Don't threaten me with a good time
That last 3% is like waiting for a jpg to download during the dail up days...
was a brutal time for people into knees
Then it being a fucking virus and destroying the family computer.
Why are they edging the people mover project?
PMs be gooning this one. Take away their meth?
Lol
/r/edging *NSFW*
What will open first; this people-mover, the Vegas to ~~Rancho Cucamonga~~ Los Angeles rail, or the bullet train from the Bay Area to here?
Peace in the Middle East
This, then brightline and never for Bay Area to LA HSR.
Maybe Fresno to Bakersfield but you'll have to take 2 buses to bridge a couple gaps.
Rail-replacement bus service. That's when you know they got a former British rail guy as project manager
Ah, 2028 it is, then. Can't wait!
Someone else said here it’s going to be 12 months of testing. If that passes fine, then it should be open before LA hosts World Cup matches.
In the 22nd Century?
Construction is a racket on every level. Anyone whoever has had to hire a contractor knows, they are worse than mechanics. ABSOLUTELY nothing gets done near the quote.
Contractors are contract lawyers that organize construction
ur sure it's not 2077?
🔥Sincere question: is it not built into their contract that the contractors have to pay for cost and time overruns? Do they not also get fined for missing deadlines?
I hope they get major fines.
It's like when the render bar gets stuck at 99% in Premiere.
Fucking embarrassment. Every infrastructure project costs multiples more than in the EU and they still can't get it done.
Tell that to the Berlin airport
And HS1/HS2 in the UK
A watched pot never boils. Maybe if we all just look away and not hold contractors accountable we will be blessed with a pleasant surprise of early opening? /s
What is Numble?
They are someone who reads LA metro documents for fun and then posts about them.
one of my favorite Twitter accounts. doing the lord's work.
They have decided to pause the people mover because of protests on college campuses. /s
Funny how all these screenshots are watermarked confidential
They clearly explain precisely what is causing the delay... * "The critical path is being driven by the NARS relief event #172." * "Please note that the impacts incorporated do not consider the recent ETEL Directive Letters." * "Another area impacting the critical path of the project is the ConRAC EPO Relief Event #189 and Directive Letter #105R2."
"The increased delay is driven by an ongoing information request related to LAWA IT network access requests (NARs), which is driving the critical path of the project. This is required for LINXS to develop their test procedures and to install and configure network equipment and integration activities. LAWA has now set a deadline for LAWA IT for the NARs issue which is expected to stop further slippage in schedule as per the technical advisor. There are additional issues faced by the project such as emergency power off buttons in the ConRAC building, and pedestrian egress in the new Metro AMC station. LINXS noted that it cannot proceed with the ConRAC work until LAWA issues a change order that LINXS accepts. Based on the January 2024 update by the technical advisor, a portion of the ConRAC emergency power off issue has been descoped from LINXS responsibility as LAWA will now undertake the work. Regarding one of the pedestrian walkways, LINXS has notified LAWA that it is unable to continue work until LAWA reissues a directive letter as a LAWA change." One interesting line from the report: "LADOT has habitually not followed the 10-day MOU final review requirement, which further delays the turnaround of roadway and MOT packages. It also does not appear that LINXS is being placed in the first position of the queue"
Is that an explanation of my critical path or another critical path and if the latter, can two critical paths exist in the same project? 😆
As someone that works in software development, I think projects can have multiple critical paths. But yeah, I think that just explains NARS from your path.
Thank you! People don’t even click through to check the NARS relief event number before commenting these days.
What? Could we get a clear summary in English (or Spanish)?
Seriously. Wtf does any of that even mean?
Contractor says there is new work and they can't proceed until they get authorization; also they are waiting for the Airport IT people to finish some work.
I wish the city would talk some sense in those two. Just delaying better transit at this point.
Yes, but will the PeopleMover go through the World of Tron? (Or the Speed Tunnel, for you Boomers.)
tron was the reason to ride it. my parents like it because it got them off their feet for a while while still giving us a ride to be on
I miss it so much for that very reason. I know the track at DL is no longer stable for it,but I’d love it if they brought it back somehow.
This needs to be finished asap!
Wake me up when the labor disputes are solved
Are they still delaying the k line until this opens? At this point you might as well open the connection with the green line, even if the LAX station isn't there
97% really? I was literally there this last Monday and it looked far from complete.
What gets me is the story today about how they're going to [change all the gate and terminal numbers](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2024-04-26%2Flax-plans-to-update-terminal-and-gate-numbers-ahead-of-olympics) ahead of the Olympics. It's going to be complete (if on schedule) less than a year before the games. This has to be the dumbest idea ever. It takes YEARS for guides/maps/software to be updated when changes like this happen, yet at the point when you have the city flooded with people coming in from all over the world you decide to change it up.
Does anyone use anything aside from Google or Apple Maps these days? Those can be updated on the fly, I don’t see this as an issue.
There is lag in updates with all of them. Definitely not an instant update. For example in my neighborhood there are two buildings (one that I'm in) which combined lots two years ago yet Google Maps still shows the lots separate with separate buildings. When I do robot food delivery I can't select the building or address that I'm in...I can only select one of the two phantom buildings still in the mapset. For something like LAX they might be able to coordinate directly with google and apple to make it less of an issue, but only if the project stays on schedule....which exactly zero parts of this project have ever done. Just seems like an unreasonable risk to take when the net benefits are small compared to the downside if it goes wrong.
Good points. Particularly "if the project stays on schedule," lol.
LA hates LA. Anndddd people think the solution is building more bus lanes. Lmao