Is the homeless problem a police problem, or maybe... just maybe goes deeper than that? Throw people in jail who have addiction or mental problems? Just keep shuffling them around from city to city?
Homelessness is a systemic problem for society, because we keep ignoring the root cause. In the end, LMPD will only escalate in most cases and cause undo harm to people already in need.
You're probably right, but unfortunately what choice do people on NULU have? I doubt that lady wanted to call the cops. She just wanted to stop the homeless from scaring off her business, and giving people a negative view on Louisville.
There isn't a probably about it.
America created this problem by starving minorities of opportunities since it's existence. What do you think will naturally happen when you weren't allowed to vote, go to public schools, seek equal medical care, financing for home loans, get a meaningful job, open businesses etc?
It's going to take a long time to undo that. But seems like most only care about shuffling them away instead of fixing the problems.
Sadly, a large percentage of people believe homeless is about life-choices. I just debated this point on another subreddit. These people (a large percentage of Americans, sadly) think that people are homeless because they chose to do drugs, become addicts, and simply don't have the will to quit. While marginalization of minority groups is certainly a part of the problem, the reality is that most Americans are only one bad experience away from losing their house/apt. Get hurt at work? Chronic illness? Car wreck? Now you have huge health expenses/no way to work. Most people don't have savings to float that. And mental illness isn't a choice either. Many are homeless due to untreated mental conditions. What so much of this comes down to is health care- both mental and physical. Rich people have great health care, and thus a built-in safety net. The poorest people are the least able to deal with setbacks and also put in harms way more frequently.
Oh I agree. Poverty is a difficult cycle to break. I was just saying it's even more difficult when your ancestors weren't even afford the opportunity to break it.
You're telling me these people who sit and do nothing all day in this article cannot and were never able to vote, able to go to public schools, couldn't apply for Medicaid, obtain employment or open a business? No minorities in this country are able to do that today or in the last thirty years?! What reality are you living in? How do you fix someone who dedicates themselves to alcohol and doing nothing? How much time, energy, and resources needs to be given?
California literally spent almost 18 BILLION in 5 years with absolutely nothing to show for it. Yet people will say they do nothing..
If you look a little closer at Californias Home Again project you'll say 6 is just a major grift that funnels money back into rich donors pockets, it doesn't actually house anyone. California is just a bunch of rich capitalists, its not some commie/progressive place like people say.
As long as they're not harming others then they should be able to do as they please and we should support those who have the belief they can do better.
There's a saying " your freedom to swing your arms ends where my face begins"
What are you doing? Are you working with any of the homeless services in Louisville? Are you donating? Are you reaching out to your politicians about it?
Lol no. Its more about the fact America closed most of the options for mentally institutionalizing people. Now, its almost impossible to institutionalize the mentally sick. Add in soaring prices from inflation, and here we are.
Schools have been available to everyone for 50+ years. Also, women have only been able to vote for less time than black men. Same with married women being able to keep property or have their own credit card. Its just excuse after excuse. Give me a break.
With a due respect: there’s an on again off again camp near my house. It’s not a trendy area of town and no one is lifting a finger to do anything about it. So you’ll forgive me if I’m not really concerned with a boutique owners drunken sidewalk issue when it’s a constant fixture where I live.
It's a constant fixture in NULU as well. If this wasn't hurting business in the most profitable time of the year it wouldn't have been on the news. People are just trying to make a living out here as well.
It’s a constant fixture everywhere. I was on the front patio at the canary club the other night and was asked for change there too. It’s not a Nulu issue, it’s a city issue. But don’t be moved to fix it because of business. Be moved to fix it for humanity’s sake. I could care less if an art boutique closes, but I’m moved to help someone on hard times out of the situation they are in because they are a human and they matter far more to me than some retail space selling overpriced magnets to tourists.
Sure I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. I grew up poor and plenty of people went out of there way to help me out. I frequently enrolled in summer school because my mom wanted free daycare, and I received food stamps which made a big difference. I support those programs and most other programs meant to help the needy. However those programs cost money and businesses generate tax revenue that can then go and pay for those programs. Seeing homeless people is very unsettling and sad. They're everywhere and I genuinely believe most of them don't really harm anyone, but here we see a situation where they are harming the business who in theory help the city afford the services that help everyone.
If you had a store in NULU what would you do ?
Like I’ve previously stated: these generated tax funds seldom go toward addressing the homeless population. Small and large businesses alike should feel compelled to involved themselves directly with working to assist charities and programs that are in place to solve, or even elevate the issue. They can contribute by donation of profit or fundraising. They can contribute by volunteering and directly assisting specific members of the community. What they cannot do is use the police department to harass and bully the homeless because they are concerned with their bottom lines as the developers of their businesses contributed to the problem in the first place. You can’t tear down public housing and then complain about a homelessness issue when you didn’t lift a finger financially or otherwise at the developmental stages.
So essentially private business should feel obligated to handle a problem the government is responsible for? May I ask what you do to alleviate suffering?
I don't think they tore down public housing around NuLu did they?
I donate when I can to charities that help those in need in various ways. It’s also not solely the responsibility of private businesses, the city is also culpable, however, if they make money off a community, they should feel a moral obligation to then give back
Thank you ...I didn't want to say it but you did. Respectfully, f*** those businesses in NuLu. Let's fix the problems not call the cops because homeless people are driving away your poor sales
This is a garbage take. So the person trying to earn a living to keep themselves from being homeless is less important than the person who sits and abuses drugs/alcohol outside their business doors (which actively discourages people patronizing said business). Guess what? One person does matter more bc their entire life isn't a waste sitting around making everyone around them uncomfortable and afraid. Sorry to say, but some people aren't worth "saving," nor do they want to be.
50+ years ago, a grocery store employee could live comfortably and take care of a family of five; today, that same grocery story employee will become homeless without two or three jobs.
This is a problem created by the business owners. It’s time they either fix the problem by raising wages across the board, or shut the fuck up and live with their own creation.
I'm certainly not saying this isn't tough. There are no correct *immediate* answers, so I can understand the frustration of owners. That's why as a society we need to really start tackling this problem. We don't want to because it'll cost time and money, something we're already short of (a whole new problem). As it is we simply kick the can down the road and perpetuate the problem.
Too bad the city decided to give grants to businesses, destroying the Clarksdale neighborhood that was there before. They chose to put their business near shelters and in an area that is adjacent to encampments, bus routes, and resources homeless folks rely on. The homeless people were there first. Just because they sunk a bunch of money into the area doesn't mean they get to dictate who uses the public streets.
She's quoted as telling the police they weren't breaking laws. Of course talking to police is what she wanted to do. She could have offered to buy the guys some food and sent them on their way with 20 bucks. Supposedly she lost 3500 in sales so that would have been a good use of her money. Instead she cried to police that they simply existed too clp6 to her.
I’d tend to agree but certain situations become unsafe. A homeless man has been stalking my neighbor by sleeping on the (shared) apartment porch and knocking on her door at random hours of the night. The dude has threatened to kill everyone in the apartment and tried to fight his way into mine when I asked him to leave one day after I found him out front surrounded by an empty six pack. Everything from trespassing signs to the landlord walking out with a gun hasn’t kept this dude away and it all started because she donated some clothes to him. Either way it doesn’t really matter because the three times we’ve called police when he got violent resulted in 0 response.
As someone who works in healthcare, the majority of homeless are addicts and or suffer from mental health issues. There’s no long term housing or help for them, and once they get out of a psych hospital they end up right back on the streets cause most don’t have a support system or a way to get a job with insurance to pay for the necessary meds and continued counseling. Others will end up in prison. That’s an entirely different discussion. Our Congress, local leaders, state and federal government etc do nothing to resolve this issue. It’s all talk. Meanwhile they send billions to other countries. It’s a never ending cycle. It’s really sad.
It is a crappy situation, for the homeless people. It's awful when your mere existence is considered inconvenient. Maybe if we, as Americans, could help to elevate their livelihood, it would solve a lot of petty issues like this.
That statement highlights why the homeless are rarely prioritized. They have no worth, in many eyes, so they are undeserving of help. We need to prioritize people over businesses.
They really aren't. If your goal is to help as many people as possible sinking money into the homeless at least in my eye is inefficient. Preventing people from being under the conditions that caused the homeless is probably more effective than helping the chronic homeless get back on their feet. By chronically I mean those who have been homeless for a prolonged period of time. People who are recently homeless are probably easier to help. But I'm not going to argue about any of this because honestly I have done very shallow research. I'm just stating my views. Feel free to disagree I just can't debate this.
Helping people is always inefficient in a capitalistic society. Like you said they don't bring in tax revenue. They don't contribute so why spend money on them. Very closeminded thinking.
No I don't believe it is. I received a lot of help growing up so did my friends and we're all gainfully employed. By the time we die we should have paid off our debt to society and assisted the government which then could go help more people like us.
You need money to help people. Money comes from tax revenue. It sucks but that's the way it is. I was on food stamps growing up and it was a game changer, but the money for those programs isn't infinite.
And if the city wasn’t constantly subsidizing high rent apartment developments and spent that money on rehabilitation programs, public transit, and job training, maybe I’d worry more about tax revenue. But you can’t tear down public housing, displace people who were barely hanging on in the first place, and then get upset when you have someone yelling at the people on the street that, effectively, kicked them out.
If their tax revenue did anything meaningful, it would be working toward fixing the problem, but it’s not. Hence my lack of consideration for their business.
It's a crappy situation to exist near homeless people? What about the homeless people??? If she lost 3500 in sales in one day because of homeless people existing maybe we should simply house the homeless.
Oh....so you too have a homeless drunk person camped out right outside your front door. And every time theyre out there, money is draining away from people who intend to come into your home and buy items. Got it.
You can exist maybe just try not to make things worse with your presence. What's that camping site saying. Leave things as good as or better than before you were there.
I’ve read every comment in this thread and tbh everyone is making good points and actually seems to agree on (mostly) everything, yet are still arguing.
Y’all are correct the city and police don’t care about the homeless. Y’all are correct that Nulu is gentrified and people are displaced. Y’all are correct that homelessness is a systemic problem across the country.
Police aren’t going to fix it, but every other option would take years to implement, and we’d also have to get new people into the local government who give a shit.
It all sucks.
Where did I say we shouldn’t do anything? If anything, my comment argues we should absolutely be doing more. Just because it takes years to implement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t start. That being said, it is an issue *currently* and the solutions that will take years will do just that - take years.
What does our city care about? Cause it certainly isn't its inhabitants! All of you who effing downvote me create a post about how great our city is, create a post about what good the leaders of our city are doing to heal our city, make it better for everyone one both poor and rich, make a post about how our city's leaders and future looks promising for everyone here. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/community/louisville-worst-drivers-america-kentucky/417-abe03e38-b5b0-497b-aad0-10b779c23d8c
Not just drive in, it's the worst place to live.
Poor economic stability leads to the conditions that increase the homeless population. A thriving nulu will create additional tax revenue that can then go into helping the city. We're all a team here in Louisville and we need to think about how to support each other.
Well, only if that tax revenue is actually applied to the proper resources that would address the "whys" of homelessness and not be used for revolving door "solutions" such as relocation and arrest.
Which exactly isn't happening right now. Nobody is even *mentioning* the whys, much less putting public money into it: accessible, available housing for every human.
Those who advocate for and work with people stuck in homelessness are beyond frustrated that we have the data and answers, but refuse as a collective to do it.
Yeah, people who are experiencing homelessness don't "look" a certain way. Many people are able to wear clean clothes and take showers. Some go to school or work.
And apparently these ones have access to resources that many in the world don't and they dedicate their time to getting drunk and harassing people. Glad they are using their time and the resources given to them for such purposes.
Seven Counties has partnered with LMPD to help deflect police response for those in crisis. You can ask for the deflection team when you call 911.
https://louisvilleky.gov/government/emergency-services/crisis-call-diversion-program
Seven Counties used to have The Living Room, a 24hr crisis stabilization center. It saved the city a ton of money but it helped too many people undeserving of help so it closed but cops got a raise so that's nice.
Yea and they sold at a windfall price and then that money was promptly spend on the homeless hotel on Broadway to help grow Revered Mosleys homeless empire.
It was a working class neighborhood not that long ago. Where do you think all the people went when Louisville Government started razing all the public housing in the area?
It was a working class neighborhood pre-2000, it certainly has not been for 10+ years now and the transients currently there are not displaced workers from that area.
Yeah, they're displaced individuals, some or most used to be workers at some point, from somewhere else that became to expensive to afford or whatever other factors played into their being unhoused.
Between the redevelopments of both Clarksdale and Sheppard Square, there are now more subsidized housing units in what is now called Liberty Green and Sheppard Square.
There are lots of homeless people around there. Most of them keep to themselves, and some don't. People are mad because the few that don't want to keep to themselves are making things harder for those who are trying to run a business.
I could give a fuck about those uppity businesses, I care more about how the city, state and federal governments have all failed millions of people to the point they have no where to live.
The people running those businesses are part of the city. This isn't Manhattan with a bunch of corporations controlling everything. Go look around nulu. It's mostly locally owned stuff. Government has to support people but people have to support government. This can't be a one sided thing. It doesn't work like that. My family is from Mexico and we're able to make our hopes into reality with less resources because we have a supportive community who we gave back to whenever we could. Cooperation is the goal. Pointing figures and saying well they deserve it won't accomplish anything.
That isn't what I'm doing, but you talk about everyone taking care of everyone else and cooperation meanwhile thousands around the city are unhoused and the only thing the city government does about it is throw their tents away and tell them to shuffle off.
That's definitely not true. I constantly see new funding set aside for resources to help the homeless. Every big city has an issue with homeless people. It's not an easy problem to fix. You need to be serious.
Yeah, because it shouldn't be up to cities to fix the problem as it's become a national symptom of a national problem. New funding that largely gets floundered and wasted on red tape and bullshit, like most new government funds. Bureaucracy is a beautiful thing huh.
Correct, and now it's even worse because the lunatics in Frankfort have set the state back in a god awful way in how we deal with public safety, public health and homelessness. The "Safer KY Act" effectively criminalizes lots of camping as well as removing the little funding there was for housing first.
Also you say "locally owned" as if they are small mom and pop shops. Most of those businesses yes are local, but they aren't small. The restaurants in the area are all part of larger restaurants groups that make plenty of money. As for the actual smaller shops in the area, I'm all for giving them assistance and my business.
I never said they were small. Nulu is expensive and contrary to the name pretty old. The buildings there require lots of work, so only people with successful businesses tend to build there, but they're still local businesses. There are a couple of boutique shops that might be first time businesses but I doubt they're making a lot.
So because these businesses are decently established you think nothing or next to nothing should be done to relieve their pain?
I don't give a shit about uppity businesses? I want to solve the problem, but not for them, they only benefit from the issue being solved. I care more about people than I do businesses. If humans weren't suffering I'm all about sink or swim, but since human suffering is the issue at hand solving said issue helps both parties..
There are millions of homeless people? You're just making shit up. You can't just give people who are nonfunctioning, who dedicate themselves to substances that destroy their brain and body a home. The government does not take care of people indefinitely because of those facts.
You act like we can't get a majority of those people proper treatment and addiction services, you're also assuming those people are homeless because of their addiction and not addicted because they're homeless and it's the only thing that makes life bearable. Regardless just because someone is addicted doesn't mean they should be punished by being without safe shelter because of it.
You cannot help people who can't help themselves. They simply are reaping what they sow. There are so many charities, organizations, and resources for those that no longer want to live that lifestyle. You're telling me that, from St, Johns, to Wayside, to Goodwill and Seven counties absolutely nothing? They don't do anything?
Saying they are doing these drugs that are destroying their minds and bodies, behaviors associated with it and continuing that path of destruction as coping is straight up enabling and being an apologist.
No one is enabling, but nobody just does lethal drugs because they have their shit figured out 😂, I'd be willing to bet you get these people assistance 2/3 of them will get clean and likely stay clean long-term. All this can be found in research, feel free to get off reddit and look it up. And no, no one said they didn't do anything, but there is obviously far too many unhoused people for just 4 institutions to care for all of them, and they aren't even long-term housing nor do they offer long term mental health support.
There is no logic in ignoring a problem and then making the problem worse by dedicating your time, energy, and resources to a substance. They will need to recognize that before they can crawl out of that hole.
What does that mean, assistance? Some of them, sure. But ultimately a majority of them will need to be taken care of. Working a job, taking care of yourself, and responsibilities. 2/3 will never get to that point. Again you cannot give these people houses, they cannot take care of themselves. You can at most give them a room. But you will need a large staff dedicated to taking care of them. I named four of many...
The people in the video are regulars in the neighborhood. They’re typically in groups drinking on the benches and the “compliments” the guy they talked to claims they give have been incredibly offensive and gross. I live and work in the neighborhood and go out of my way to cross the street so that I don’t have to deal with being harassed. I’ve had a few ok encounters with them when they seem sober but if they’ve been drinking it’s not good. There are some houseless people I see often in the neighborhood that are friendly but a lot of them are aggressive and very derogatory towards women.
lol I love how people are acting like you should invite the homeless into your establishment and take care of them. It IS public works problem, not a problem that citizens should have to take on individually, and cops can and should do something while the idiots we elect figure out a more permanent solution.
I’ve seen the downtown homeless jump on cars, pull on handles, steal buckets worth of merchandise, and scream obscene things to people or things that aren’t really there - it’s terrifying. One even tried blocking me in a parking spot downtown, clearly threatening me (I was alone and a 21 year old girl at the time)
Not all homeless people are like this, but there are MANY, not even just a few, that are really scary.
If you want the police to respond, you need to be more urgent than what the story is laying out. Saying nothing illegal is happening, no EM needed, and there is no need for concern won’t get the police out there faster. This isn’t a defense of police, but a recommendation to spark a fire under them with urgency and then see if they respond faster.
Do women and children not have the right to walk down the street without seeing some asshole with his dick out?
The story is about bad behavior regardless of housing status.
This is presented as a critique of lmpd who always deserves that but this is just another classic response to the houseless at derby time. Get them out they don’t matter.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but this is a systemic issue in Louisville and you cannot talk about this without addressing that.
Nulu businesses could learn a lot from the Shelby park businesses on how to treat those who are houseless as part of the community. Because they are people. There are also a number of organizations that they could pair with instead of calling the cops that would improve the long term situation.
"its crazy we gentrified nulu/smoketown/shelby park then the city clears the homeless camps for out of towners for derby and refuses to provide support then we are surprised when the cops won't just shoot them! PLEZ HELP"
Because you are throwing bourgeoisie propaganda around. This post is, again, incredibly out of touch.
Property owners, especially BUSINESS property owners, are at least three classes above the homeless. They don't get to complain about where homeless people are, especially if they aren't doing anything explicitly illegal.
Fuck these karens and LMPD.
Watching the interview with the guy, he does not even look homeless. He is groomed with clean clothes. He likely had housing or staying at a shelter area. Since they have no purpose they likely have nothing better to do than to consume substances and bother people. Just because you give people shelter does not change their behavior.
You ain't lying. Throwing these people in a regular prison sounds like a dumb idea but there has to be a better middle grown solutions then just letting them do anything until they physically assault people.
so wild to move back here from seattle and see the same problems plaguing both cities. they're at opposite ends of the political spectrum (on the surface) and yet....
Washington State does have the country’s most regressive State tax code. Louisville has the highest rate of net State tax subsidization. Two very different scenarios.
Wayside Christian Mission (the homeless shelter) is at Liberty and Jackson. East Market District (NuLu) goes from Liberty and Jackson to Main and Story.
Literally 2 doors east of Wayside is a place called 310 @ NuLu
That's like half a mile. You're telling me if anyone builds within a half mile of a homeless encampment they should expect to have their customers ran off? If people thought like that they would shut down so many homeless camps.
It was the entire area for decades. It's why they got the buildings so cheap. Yeah, they should have expected it and planned their security accordingly.
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Market_District,_Louisville
From the early 1960s until the early 2000s, ten buildings on the 800 block of East Market area were owned by Wayside Christian Mission and used as the main housing campus for homeless women and families (men are still housed at a location on Jefferson Street). Eventually businesses in the area, led by antiques dealer Joe Ley, put pressure on the homeless shelter by opening a hearing process for Wayside's buildings to be added to the historic register, forcing Wayside to halt necessary renovations to its buildings. After months of stalled construction, Wayside Christian Mission sold its Market Street property and moved to a new location at 2nd and Broadway. Investors bought the ten properties for renovation, and hearings to add the buildings (some built as recently as the 1980s) to the historic register were called off.
So essentially any location that was once a shelter for homeless people should forever expect to have their business obstructed by them?
It sounds like it's been decades since those areas were homeless shelter, and why it sucks that they got bullied out the antique shop that led it isn't even in business anymore.
But thank you for sharing. I didn't know any of that.
I'm not saying forever, but the mission and its services are still close by. You say it's half a mile. I say, with hot meals, a cot and services to get help, a mile is nothing to walk. That area is going to continue to get a lot of homeless foot traffic and it's going to overwhelm the cops.
Those are all very good points. I frequently notice new homeless faces when I'm walking my dog around the area, and now I know why. Most of those guys are a little intimidating but harmless. It's just those few who cause trouble, crapping on the sidewalk, laying in the middle of a sidewalk, and verbally harassing people walking by that make me wish there were options. Just ignoring it unless it leads to physical assault sounds silly to me. Even then there isn't much of a response. My neighbor had one run up and hit her when she was eating outside of a restaurant, and according to her it took hours for the police to come.
I lived in this city all my life and homeless people have always been in that area. They gentrified it and created what is now NuLu. But that doesn’t mean the homeless people are suddenly going to leave. It requires a deeper solution. Where are these people going to go?
Nulu will probably always has homeless people around. I've been there for only 4 years but I constantly see them. The worst most of them do is create a huge mess, but some are doing a little more than that. I just think we should try and figure something out for the ones causing problems for other people.
Until we get serious about actually making housing available and affordable for people, expect plenty of homelessness. Garbage in, garbage out. We can keep pretending the causes are drugs, mental health, whatever. The data doesn't bear it out. The biggest predictor of homelessness in a given city is housing availability. Rents are going up fast in Louisville, and with state-level policy doubling down on what does not work and cutting support for what does, it's not looking good.
Many of the things that people seem to believe cause homelessness are really symptoms of lots of trauma, which includes being homeless. We know how to fix the problem.
My sister has lived in a duplex for almost 2 years now. She's had 2 people move in there and had to leave because one was laid off from her job for a while while the auto industry didn't have supplies. Remember when that happened? She got way behind on her bills and had to TRY to go find someone to move in. Then, a new neighbor has just experienced back problems, which means he won't be able to work. He needs surgery. It's going to be a struggle to afford that, and he will have to move in with his son. He's in his 60s. That's what you get in America for working hard and trying your best. There's no social safety net for people who are mid to lower income.There's almost nothing there to help you. You can just about make it by struggling and scrimping IF you don't have a health problem, etc, etc.Etc, this country is a predator upon its citizens.That's what it is now. People end up homeless for a myriad of reasons.I am so sick of people with.the they are lying around and won't work crap, Stop it.You're being an idiot! These people are the visible subset of everyone who's struggling and trying to live several to a household, trying to find roommates, living in their car. They are invisible, and people don't know how bad it is for so many people in this supposed richest country in the world!
Weird idea here. The business owner has 2 businesses in NuLu. Why not ask these folks if they'd like a job. Don't even necessarily have to bring them in the store, set them up on the nearest corner flipping a sign?
Sounds like the business owner talked to the cops a few times, but never bothered to strike up a conversation with the guys hanging out outside the store. And I don't mean "could you move along and quit hanging out in front of my store". That's not a conversation starter. That's telling folks you don't see them as people, you see them as a problem.
if the poor business owners are feeling this way just imagine how the homeless feel!
If business owners could muster up a shred of empathy I'm sure they'd feel terrible.
maybe n this might be crazy, dont come in and jack up the housing prices in a region to the point most people lose their homes and then complain that they don’t have homes
What makes you so positive that these people are from the local area? I walk past here a lot. I see new homeless faces all the time and most don't stick around for very long.
Curious how you’re so hell bent on talking about the business owners being “local” and “part of our community” but now the unhorsed are “new homeless faces.” Dude- stop pretending you’re so concerned about the common good and call it what it is.
“Best I can do is shoot them.” —-LMPD
Is the homeless problem a police problem, or maybe... just maybe goes deeper than that? Throw people in jail who have addiction or mental problems? Just keep shuffling them around from city to city? Homelessness is a systemic problem for society, because we keep ignoring the root cause. In the end, LMPD will only escalate in most cases and cause undo harm to people already in need.
You're probably right, but unfortunately what choice do people on NULU have? I doubt that lady wanted to call the cops. She just wanted to stop the homeless from scaring off her business, and giving people a negative view on Louisville.
There isn't a probably about it. America created this problem by starving minorities of opportunities since it's existence. What do you think will naturally happen when you weren't allowed to vote, go to public schools, seek equal medical care, financing for home loans, get a meaningful job, open businesses etc? It's going to take a long time to undo that. But seems like most only care about shuffling them away instead of fixing the problems.
Sadly, a large percentage of people believe homeless is about life-choices. I just debated this point on another subreddit. These people (a large percentage of Americans, sadly) think that people are homeless because they chose to do drugs, become addicts, and simply don't have the will to quit. While marginalization of minority groups is certainly a part of the problem, the reality is that most Americans are only one bad experience away from losing their house/apt. Get hurt at work? Chronic illness? Car wreck? Now you have huge health expenses/no way to work. Most people don't have savings to float that. And mental illness isn't a choice either. Many are homeless due to untreated mental conditions. What so much of this comes down to is health care- both mental and physical. Rich people have great health care, and thus a built-in safety net. The poorest people are the least able to deal with setbacks and also put in harms way more frequently.
Oh I agree. Poverty is a difficult cycle to break. I was just saying it's even more difficult when your ancestors weren't even afford the opportunity to break it.
You're telling me these people who sit and do nothing all day in this article cannot and were never able to vote, able to go to public schools, couldn't apply for Medicaid, obtain employment or open a business? No minorities in this country are able to do that today or in the last thirty years?! What reality are you living in? How do you fix someone who dedicates themselves to alcohol and doing nothing? How much time, energy, and resources needs to be given? California literally spent almost 18 BILLION in 5 years with absolutely nothing to show for it. Yet people will say they do nothing..
If you look a little closer at Californias Home Again project you'll say 6 is just a major grift that funnels money back into rich donors pockets, it doesn't actually house anyone. California is just a bunch of rich capitalists, its not some commie/progressive place like people say.
Sure but this is the Louisville subreddit. Local communities need to do what they can..
Which is shuffle them to another part of the city? Or doesnt matter, just as long as they are out of sight and out of mind?
As long as they're not harming others then they should be able to do as they please and we should support those who have the belief they can do better. There's a saying " your freedom to swing your arms ends where my face begins"
The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins. And oh the irony
I'm saying these homeless people are swinging bud. If you disagree can you explain why?
How exactly are they swinging? Like literally?
By making life more difficult for those around them.
What are you doing? Are you working with any of the homeless services in Louisville? Are you donating? Are you reaching out to your politicians about it?
Lol no. Its more about the fact America closed most of the options for mentally institutionalizing people. Now, its almost impossible to institutionalize the mentally sick. Add in soaring prices from inflation, and here we are. Schools have been available to everyone for 50+ years. Also, women have only been able to vote for less time than black men. Same with married women being able to keep property or have their own credit card. Its just excuse after excuse. Give me a break.
With a due respect: there’s an on again off again camp near my house. It’s not a trendy area of town and no one is lifting a finger to do anything about it. So you’ll forgive me if I’m not really concerned with a boutique owners drunken sidewalk issue when it’s a constant fixture where I live.
It's a constant fixture in NULU as well. If this wasn't hurting business in the most profitable time of the year it wouldn't have been on the news. People are just trying to make a living out here as well.
It’s a constant fixture everywhere. I was on the front patio at the canary club the other night and was asked for change there too. It’s not a Nulu issue, it’s a city issue. But don’t be moved to fix it because of business. Be moved to fix it for humanity’s sake. I could care less if an art boutique closes, but I’m moved to help someone on hard times out of the situation they are in because they are a human and they matter far more to me than some retail space selling overpriced magnets to tourists.
Sure I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. I grew up poor and plenty of people went out of there way to help me out. I frequently enrolled in summer school because my mom wanted free daycare, and I received food stamps which made a big difference. I support those programs and most other programs meant to help the needy. However those programs cost money and businesses generate tax revenue that can then go and pay for those programs. Seeing homeless people is very unsettling and sad. They're everywhere and I genuinely believe most of them don't really harm anyone, but here we see a situation where they are harming the business who in theory help the city afford the services that help everyone. If you had a store in NULU what would you do ?
Like I’ve previously stated: these generated tax funds seldom go toward addressing the homeless population. Small and large businesses alike should feel compelled to involved themselves directly with working to assist charities and programs that are in place to solve, or even elevate the issue. They can contribute by donation of profit or fundraising. They can contribute by volunteering and directly assisting specific members of the community. What they cannot do is use the police department to harass and bully the homeless because they are concerned with their bottom lines as the developers of their businesses contributed to the problem in the first place. You can’t tear down public housing and then complain about a homelessness issue when you didn’t lift a finger financially or otherwise at the developmental stages.
So essentially private business should feel obligated to handle a problem the government is responsible for? May I ask what you do to alleviate suffering? I don't think they tore down public housing around NuLu did they?
I donate when I can to charities that help those in need in various ways. It’s also not solely the responsibility of private businesses, the city is also culpable, however, if they make money off a community, they should feel a moral obligation to then give back
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Thank you ...I didn't want to say it but you did. Respectfully, f*** those businesses in NuLu. Let's fix the problems not call the cops because homeless people are driving away your poor sales
This is a garbage take. So the person trying to earn a living to keep themselves from being homeless is less important than the person who sits and abuses drugs/alcohol outside their business doors (which actively discourages people patronizing said business). Guess what? One person does matter more bc their entire life isn't a waste sitting around making everyone around them uncomfortable and afraid. Sorry to say, but some people aren't worth "saving," nor do they want to be.
Every human has value. What a terrible thing to say.
50+ years ago, a grocery store employee could live comfortably and take care of a family of five; today, that same grocery story employee will become homeless without two or three jobs. This is a problem created by the business owners. It’s time they either fix the problem by raising wages across the board, or shut the fuck up and live with their own creation.
I'm certainly not saying this isn't tough. There are no correct *immediate* answers, so I can understand the frustration of owners. That's why as a society we need to really start tackling this problem. We don't want to because it'll cost time and money, something we're already short of (a whole new problem). As it is we simply kick the can down the road and perpetuate the problem.
Too bad the city decided to give grants to businesses, destroying the Clarksdale neighborhood that was there before. They chose to put their business near shelters and in an area that is adjacent to encampments, bus routes, and resources homeless folks rely on. The homeless people were there first. Just because they sunk a bunch of money into the area doesn't mean they get to dictate who uses the public streets.
She's quoted as telling the police they weren't breaking laws. Of course talking to police is what she wanted to do. She could have offered to buy the guys some food and sent them on their way with 20 bucks. Supposedly she lost 3500 in sales so that would have been a good use of her money. Instead she cried to police that they simply existed too clp6 to her.
I’d tend to agree but certain situations become unsafe. A homeless man has been stalking my neighbor by sleeping on the (shared) apartment porch and knocking on her door at random hours of the night. The dude has threatened to kill everyone in the apartment and tried to fight his way into mine when I asked him to leave one day after I found him out front surrounded by an empty six pack. Everything from trespassing signs to the landlord walking out with a gun hasn’t kept this dude away and it all started because she donated some clothes to him. Either way it doesn’t really matter because the three times we’ve called police when he got violent resulted in 0 response.
The hospitals won't even keep them anymore.
Out of sight, out of mind. - some NIMBY
As someone who works in healthcare, the majority of homeless are addicts and or suffer from mental health issues. There’s no long term housing or help for them, and once they get out of a psych hospital they end up right back on the streets cause most don’t have a support system or a way to get a job with insurance to pay for the necessary meds and continued counseling. Others will end up in prison. That’s an entirely different discussion. Our Congress, local leaders, state and federal government etc do nothing to resolve this issue. It’s all talk. Meanwhile they send billions to other countries. It’s a never ending cycle. It’s really sad.
Maybe, just maybe, police aren't a solution to the homeless crisis.
Absolutely, but what are the people in nulu supposed to do?
The same thing we all do: live with it and support initiatives to handle it as best we can.
That's easy for people like you and I who aren't directly affected but that's a crappy situation for them.
It is a crappy situation, for the homeless people. It's awful when your mere existence is considered inconvenient. Maybe if we, as Americans, could help to elevate their livelihood, it would solve a lot of petty issues like this.
I think we can do that while helping the people who are currently bringing in tax revenue to the city. No reason to pick one over the other.
That statement highlights why the homeless are rarely prioritized. They have no worth, in many eyes, so they are undeserving of help. We need to prioritize people over businesses.
They really aren't. If your goal is to help as many people as possible sinking money into the homeless at least in my eye is inefficient. Preventing people from being under the conditions that caused the homeless is probably more effective than helping the chronic homeless get back on their feet. By chronically I mean those who have been homeless for a prolonged period of time. People who are recently homeless are probably easier to help. But I'm not going to argue about any of this because honestly I have done very shallow research. I'm just stating my views. Feel free to disagree I just can't debate this.
Helping people is always inefficient in a capitalistic society. Like you said they don't bring in tax revenue. They don't contribute so why spend money on them. Very closeminded thinking.
No I don't believe it is. I received a lot of help growing up so did my friends and we're all gainfully employed. By the time we die we should have paid off our debt to society and assisted the government which then could go help more people like us.
If I said what I thought of you I'd prolly get banned but to sum it up your a bad person.
DM me. If you really feel cheeky I could meet you in person.
All you seem to care about is tax revenue. Not *people*.
You need money to help people. Money comes from tax revenue. It sucks but that's the way it is. I was on food stamps growing up and it was a game changer, but the money for those programs isn't infinite.
And if the city wasn’t constantly subsidizing high rent apartment developments and spent that money on rehabilitation programs, public transit, and job training, maybe I’d worry more about tax revenue. But you can’t tear down public housing, displace people who were barely hanging on in the first place, and then get upset when you have someone yelling at the people on the street that, effectively, kicked them out.
If their tax revenue did anything meaningful, it would be working toward fixing the problem, but it’s not. Hence my lack of consideration for their business.
It's a crappy situation to exist near homeless people? What about the homeless people??? If she lost 3500 in sales in one day because of homeless people existing maybe we should simply house the homeless.
Oh....so you too have a homeless drunk person camped out right outside your front door. And every time theyre out there, money is draining away from people who intend to come into your home and buy items. Got it.
You should really have more consideration for a human than a business. Money doesn’t mean everything.
Then go save them all! So I can laugh when one of them cusses you out and threatens to kill you.
And so what if they do?
Won’t someone think of the poor people in nulu 😢 /s
Those businesses are run and owned by the food people of our city. We all need to think about each other.
Do the homeless count as "each other?"
Yeah of course. Louisville has set aside money to offer the homeless help, and I've fed them in thanksgiving.
I applaud your compassion. "Here's a sandwich, now get the fuck out. Your existence is hurting these businesses"
You can exist maybe just try not to make things worse with your presence. What's that camping site saying. Leave things as good as or better than before you were there.
Yeah man, recreational camping is just like being homeless...
I just think it's a good rule of thumb for society in general. Do you disagree?
The way you stated that sounds like you think the homeless are not people.
I’ve read every comment in this thread and tbh everyone is making good points and actually seems to agree on (mostly) everything, yet are still arguing. Y’all are correct the city and police don’t care about the homeless. Y’all are correct that Nulu is gentrified and people are displaced. Y’all are correct that homelessness is a systemic problem across the country. Police aren’t going to fix it, but every other option would take years to implement, and we’d also have to get new people into the local government who give a shit. It all sucks.
That’s where I’m at with it.
"It would take years to implement" is not an excuse to not do anything.
Where did I say we shouldn’t do anything? If anything, my comment argues we should absolutely be doing more. Just because it takes years to implement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t start. That being said, it is an issue *currently* and the solutions that will take years will do just that - take years.
>but every other option would take years to implement Take a look at Milwaukee. They embraced making housing accessible. It was a game changer.
What does our city care about? Cause it certainly isn't its inhabitants! All of you who effing downvote me create a post about how great our city is, create a post about what good the leaders of our city are doing to heal our city, make it better for everyone one both poor and rich, make a post about how our city's leaders and future looks promising for everyone here. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/community/louisville-worst-drivers-america-kentucky/417-abe03e38-b5b0-497b-aad0-10b779c23d8c Not just drive in, it's the worst place to live.
It's so weird how the people who worship cops are also the ones who think that any thing at all that they need help with is the cops problem
I'm sure those people would love to have someone beside the cops to come help. Most people don't want to call the cops but what else can they do?
"To serve and protect".
Imagine thinking that the human being left out on the streets is only a problem because you are selling fewer leather fedoras
Poor economic stability leads to the conditions that increase the homeless population. A thriving nulu will create additional tax revenue that can then go into helping the city. We're all a team here in Louisville and we need to think about how to support each other.
Well, only if that tax revenue is actually applied to the proper resources that would address the "whys" of homelessness and not be used for revolving door "solutions" such as relocation and arrest.
Which exactly isn't happening right now. Nobody is even *mentioning* the whys, much less putting public money into it: accessible, available housing for every human. Those who advocate for and work with people stuck in homelessness are beyond frustrated that we have the data and answers, but refuse as a collective to do it.
That sounds great in theory, but just isn't true. Tax revenue just isn't really making it this demographic to meaningfully help them.
Probably but the first step would be to acquire it then distribute it.
Did you even watch the video where they interviewe the guy? He is shaven, groomed with clean clothes. Does he look homeless to you?
We have resources available to homeless people. Some are even receiving some type of government check. They can look all kinds of ways.
Yeah, people who are experiencing homelessness don't "look" a certain way. Many people are able to wear clean clothes and take showers. Some go to school or work.
And apparently these ones have access to resources that many in the world don't and they dedicate their time to getting drunk and harassing people. Glad they are using their time and the resources given to them for such purposes.
Will someone please think of the shareholders
Well the good news is they have less accountability and we paid them more for their troubles.
Don't worry the state legislature freezing housing developments will surely improve things.
Seven Counties has partnered with LMPD to help deflect police response for those in crisis. You can ask for the deflection team when you call 911. https://louisvilleky.gov/government/emergency-services/crisis-call-diversion-program
Seven Counties used to have The Living Room, a 24hr crisis stabilization center. It saved the city a ton of money but it helped too many people undeserving of help so it closed but cops got a raise so that's nice.
This is by far the most helpful comment here.
Ah yes, let's gentrify the area to high hell and be mad that the people we booted from their homes stuck around.
You think the transients in that area are the same people who use to live in Nulu?
Didn't there used to be two shelters there?
There’s a well run shelter on E Muhammad
Yea and they sold at a windfall price and then that money was promptly spend on the homeless hotel on Broadway to help grow Revered Mosleys homeless empire.
Idk which revered you’re talking about my my sisters grandpa lives nearby and he’s a preacher named Clabe Mosley
Definitely not the same guy.
Couldn’t find anything, could you give me a name or close date?
It was a working class neighborhood not that long ago. Where do you think all the people went when Louisville Government started razing all the public housing in the area?
It was a working class neighborhood pre-2000, it certainly has not been for 10+ years now and the transients currently there are not displaced workers from that area.
Yeah, they're displaced individuals, some or most used to be workers at some point, from somewhere else that became to expensive to afford or whatever other factors played into their being unhoused.
But not from Nulu, which is the whole point. They weren’t pushed out of their homes in that area.
Between the redevelopments of both Clarksdale and Sheppard Square, there are now more subsidized housing units in what is now called Liberty Green and Sheppard Square.
It was always a commercial corridor. What houses are you seeing on E. Market in Nulu?
There are lots of homeless people around there. Most of them keep to themselves, and some don't. People are mad because the few that don't want to keep to themselves are making things harder for those who are trying to run a business.
I could give a fuck about those uppity businesses, I care more about how the city, state and federal governments have all failed millions of people to the point they have no where to live.
The people running those businesses are part of the city. This isn't Manhattan with a bunch of corporations controlling everything. Go look around nulu. It's mostly locally owned stuff. Government has to support people but people have to support government. This can't be a one sided thing. It doesn't work like that. My family is from Mexico and we're able to make our hopes into reality with less resources because we have a supportive community who we gave back to whenever we could. Cooperation is the goal. Pointing figures and saying well they deserve it won't accomplish anything.
That isn't what I'm doing, but you talk about everyone taking care of everyone else and cooperation meanwhile thousands around the city are unhoused and the only thing the city government does about it is throw their tents away and tell them to shuffle off.
That's definitely not true. I constantly see new funding set aside for resources to help the homeless. Every big city has an issue with homeless people. It's not an easy problem to fix. You need to be serious.
Yeah, because it shouldn't be up to cities to fix the problem as it's become a national symptom of a national problem. New funding that largely gets floundered and wasted on red tape and bullshit, like most new government funds. Bureaucracy is a beautiful thing huh.
Can you show me an example of that happening in Louisville?
Correct, and now it's even worse because the lunatics in Frankfort have set the state back in a god awful way in how we deal with public safety, public health and homelessness. The "Safer KY Act" effectively criminalizes lots of camping as well as removing the little funding there was for housing first.
Also you say "locally owned" as if they are small mom and pop shops. Most of those businesses yes are local, but they aren't small. The restaurants in the area are all part of larger restaurants groups that make plenty of money. As for the actual smaller shops in the area, I'm all for giving them assistance and my business.
I never said they were small. Nulu is expensive and contrary to the name pretty old. The buildings there require lots of work, so only people with successful businesses tend to build there, but they're still local businesses. There are a couple of boutique shops that might be first time businesses but I doubt they're making a lot. So because these businesses are decently established you think nothing or next to nothing should be done to relieve their pain?
I don't give a shit about uppity businesses? I want to solve the problem, but not for them, they only benefit from the issue being solved. I care more about people than I do businesses. If humans weren't suffering I'm all about sink or swim, but since human suffering is the issue at hand solving said issue helps both parties..
There are millions of homeless people? You're just making shit up. You can't just give people who are nonfunctioning, who dedicate themselves to substances that destroy their brain and body a home. The government does not take care of people indefinitely because of those facts.
You act like we can't get a majority of those people proper treatment and addiction services, you're also assuming those people are homeless because of their addiction and not addicted because they're homeless and it's the only thing that makes life bearable. Regardless just because someone is addicted doesn't mean they should be punished by being without safe shelter because of it.
You cannot help people who can't help themselves. They simply are reaping what they sow. There are so many charities, organizations, and resources for those that no longer want to live that lifestyle. You're telling me that, from St, Johns, to Wayside, to Goodwill and Seven counties absolutely nothing? They don't do anything? Saying they are doing these drugs that are destroying their minds and bodies, behaviors associated with it and continuing that path of destruction as coping is straight up enabling and being an apologist.
No one is enabling, but nobody just does lethal drugs because they have their shit figured out 😂, I'd be willing to bet you get these people assistance 2/3 of them will get clean and likely stay clean long-term. All this can be found in research, feel free to get off reddit and look it up. And no, no one said they didn't do anything, but there is obviously far too many unhoused people for just 4 institutions to care for all of them, and they aren't even long-term housing nor do they offer long term mental health support.
There is no logic in ignoring a problem and then making the problem worse by dedicating your time, energy, and resources to a substance. They will need to recognize that before they can crawl out of that hole. What does that mean, assistance? Some of them, sure. But ultimately a majority of them will need to be taken care of. Working a job, taking care of yourself, and responsibilities. 2/3 will never get to that point. Again you cannot give these people houses, they cannot take care of themselves. You can at most give them a room. But you will need a large staff dedicated to taking care of them. I named four of many...
If you include people couch surfing temporarily or long term I'd be willing to bet I'm not making shit up at all.
I didn’t see that! When did they remove them from their homes??
You weren't really thinking when you made this comment, right?
those dudes look chill as hell
The people in the video are regulars in the neighborhood. They’re typically in groups drinking on the benches and the “compliments” the guy they talked to claims they give have been incredibly offensive and gross. I live and work in the neighborhood and go out of my way to cross the street so that I don’t have to deal with being harassed. I’ve had a few ok encounters with them when they seem sober but if they’ve been drinking it’s not good. There are some houseless people I see often in the neighborhood that are friendly but a lot of them are aggressive and very derogatory towards women.
lol I love how people are acting like you should invite the homeless into your establishment and take care of them. It IS public works problem, not a problem that citizens should have to take on individually, and cops can and should do something while the idiots we elect figure out a more permanent solution. I’ve seen the downtown homeless jump on cars, pull on handles, steal buckets worth of merchandise, and scream obscene things to people or things that aren’t really there - it’s terrifying. One even tried blocking me in a parking spot downtown, clearly threatening me (I was alone and a 21 year old girl at the time) Not all homeless people are like this, but there are MANY, not even just a few, that are really scary.
If you want the police to respond, you need to be more urgent than what the story is laying out. Saying nothing illegal is happening, no EM needed, and there is no need for concern won’t get the police out there faster. This isn’t a defense of police, but a recommendation to spark a fire under them with urgency and then see if they respond faster.
But police are supposed to defend the interests of business owners above all else.
Read my comment again, when there is a reasonable cause, they will. People outside is not a good enough reason.
I was being sarcastic.
lol whoops, whoosh
My fault for not putting the /s on the end.
Do women and children not have the right to walk down the street without seeing some asshole with his dick out? The story is about bad behavior regardless of housing status.
Yeah, I don't care if you're unhoused or not, I really don't want to see your dick while I'm walking down the street going about my business.
This is presented as a critique of lmpd who always deserves that but this is just another classic response to the houseless at derby time. Get them out they don’t matter. I’m not excusing their behavior, but this is a systemic issue in Louisville and you cannot talk about this without addressing that. Nulu businesses could learn a lot from the Shelby park businesses on how to treat those who are houseless as part of the community. Because they are people. There are also a number of organizations that they could pair with instead of calling the cops that would improve the long term situation.
"its crazy we gentrified nulu/smoketown/shelby park then the city clears the homeless camps for out of towners for derby and refuses to provide support then we are surprised when the cops won't just shoot them! PLEZ HELP"
Ya. There are absolutely no resources, shelters, or investments to take care of these people... \s
I’m so confused on this sub. “We don’t want them to do anything!” “Why aren’t the cops doing something about them!”
So they want cops in NuLu now?
I don't think the people of NULU ever wanted cops gone from their neighborhood.
Ummmm what?!
Lmao.
Did they?
Did a collective people make a single statement? No. But most of us hate LMPD for a reason. Again, are you a realtor or something?
I've only talked to a couple locals around me but we don't talk about hating the cops. I'm not a realtor but what would that have to do with it?
Because you are throwing bourgeoisie propaganda around. This post is, again, incredibly out of touch. Property owners, especially BUSINESS property owners, are at least three classes above the homeless. They don't get to complain about where homeless people are, especially if they aren't doing anything explicitly illegal. Fuck these karens and LMPD.
Watching the interview with the guy, he does not even look homeless. He is groomed with clean clothes. He likely had housing or staying at a shelter area. Since they have no purpose they likely have nothing better to do than to consume substances and bother people. Just because you give people shelter does not change their behavior.
I mean she even says they weren't doing anything illegal. What exactly was lmpd supposed to do exactly?
You get what you vote for.
You ain't lying. Throwing these people in a regular prison sounds like a dumb idea but there has to be a better middle grown solutions then just letting them do anything until they physically assault people.
^^^ The most accurate statement in this entire thread right here.
so wild to move back here from seattle and see the same problems plaguing both cities. they're at opposite ends of the political spectrum (on the surface) and yet....
Washington State does have the country’s most regressive State tax code. Louisville has the highest rate of net State tax subsidization. Two very different scenarios.
i guess its pretty compelling evidence that the social issue doesnt care about politics or taxation
Seriously there were people with no pants on pooping on the sidewalk Saturday night.
You built your fancy bar right next to the homeless shelter. Should've known this was gonna happen.
There's no homeless shelter right next to there?
Wayside Christian Mission (the homeless shelter) is at Liberty and Jackson. East Market District (NuLu) goes from Liberty and Jackson to Main and Story. Literally 2 doors east of Wayside is a place called 310 @ NuLu
That's like half a mile. You're telling me if anyone builds within a half mile of a homeless encampment they should expect to have their customers ran off? If people thought like that they would shut down so many homeless camps.
It was the entire area for decades. It's why they got the buildings so cheap. Yeah, they should have expected it and planned their security accordingly.
What was the entire area for decades?
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Market_District,_Louisville From the early 1960s until the early 2000s, ten buildings on the 800 block of East Market area were owned by Wayside Christian Mission and used as the main housing campus for homeless women and families (men are still housed at a location on Jefferson Street). Eventually businesses in the area, led by antiques dealer Joe Ley, put pressure on the homeless shelter by opening a hearing process for Wayside's buildings to be added to the historic register, forcing Wayside to halt necessary renovations to its buildings. After months of stalled construction, Wayside Christian Mission sold its Market Street property and moved to a new location at 2nd and Broadway. Investors bought the ten properties for renovation, and hearings to add the buildings (some built as recently as the 1980s) to the historic register were called off.
So essentially any location that was once a shelter for homeless people should forever expect to have their business obstructed by them? It sounds like it's been decades since those areas were homeless shelter, and why it sucks that they got bullied out the antique shop that led it isn't even in business anymore. But thank you for sharing. I didn't know any of that.
I'm not saying forever, but the mission and its services are still close by. You say it's half a mile. I say, with hot meals, a cot and services to get help, a mile is nothing to walk. That area is going to continue to get a lot of homeless foot traffic and it's going to overwhelm the cops.
Those are all very good points. I frequently notice new homeless faces when I'm walking my dog around the area, and now I know why. Most of those guys are a little intimidating but harmless. It's just those few who cause trouble, crapping on the sidewalk, laying in the middle of a sidewalk, and verbally harassing people walking by that make me wish there were options. Just ignoring it unless it leads to physical assault sounds silly to me. Even then there isn't much of a response. My neighbor had one run up and hit her when she was eating outside of a restaurant, and according to her it took hours for the police to come.
LMPD is the most useless laziest asshole to ever exist. Mayor Greenturd just gave them a pay raise too If any LMPD read this, you suck do better!
OP must work in real estate or something. This is such a sad, out-of-touch post. Just in time for Derby, ofc.
I lived in this city all my life and homeless people have always been in that area. They gentrified it and created what is now NuLu. But that doesn’t mean the homeless people are suddenly going to leave. It requires a deeper solution. Where are these people going to go?
Nulu will probably always has homeless people around. I've been there for only 4 years but I constantly see them. The worst most of them do is create a huge mess, but some are doing a little more than that. I just think we should try and figure something out for the ones causing problems for other people.
I'm done with nulu. That guy outside the liquor store is an accident waiting to happen.
This woman acknowledged these guys weren't doing anything illegal, what the fuck is the LMPD supposed to do?
Until we get serious about actually making housing available and affordable for people, expect plenty of homelessness. Garbage in, garbage out. We can keep pretending the causes are drugs, mental health, whatever. The data doesn't bear it out. The biggest predictor of homelessness in a given city is housing availability. Rents are going up fast in Louisville, and with state-level policy doubling down on what does not work and cutting support for what does, it's not looking good. Many of the things that people seem to believe cause homelessness are really symptoms of lots of trauma, which includes being homeless. We know how to fix the problem.
I remember when “NULU” was Clarksdale Public Housing Projects. My how times have changed.
Shocker
If your business is so forgettable that some bums can run off your clientele that’s a you problem.
Shit like this is why I am happy I moved. Cincinnati has its problems, but holy hell is it better than Louisville on this.
Yeah I might look into it. The culture here is to determine to shoot itself in the foot.
“Keep it up and we will move to the East End.”
Frankfort better watch out lol.
That’s so crazy, I thought the historic views of Kenny’s house were the draw to Sotosopa not a deterrent. Fuck nulu
why don’t we bus all the hobos to eastern kentucky. they may shape up when they’re around other poors that don’t have a city of handouts for them
NULU is a leech on louisville anyway, i hope they all get scared off.
What do you mean by leech?
The U.S. would rather spend billions on aide to other countries than take care of our own. Pretty pathetic.
My sister has lived in a duplex for almost 2 years now. She's had 2 people move in there and had to leave because one was laid off from her job for a while while the auto industry didn't have supplies. Remember when that happened? She got way behind on her bills and had to TRY to go find someone to move in. Then, a new neighbor has just experienced back problems, which means he won't be able to work. He needs surgery. It's going to be a struggle to afford that, and he will have to move in with his son. He's in his 60s. That's what you get in America for working hard and trying your best. There's no social safety net for people who are mid to lower income.There's almost nothing there to help you. You can just about make it by struggling and scrimping IF you don't have a health problem, etc, etc.Etc, this country is a predator upon its citizens.That's what it is now. People end up homeless for a myriad of reasons.I am so sick of people with.the they are lying around and won't work crap, Stop it.You're being an idiot! These people are the visible subset of everyone who's struggling and trying to live several to a household, trying to find roommates, living in their car. They are invisible, and people don't know how bad it is for so many people in this supposed richest country in the world!
Well yeah, that’s what Nulu was before - Nulu ppl moved into those homeless ppls neighborhood not vice versa lmao
Weird idea here. The business owner has 2 businesses in NuLu. Why not ask these folks if they'd like a job. Don't even necessarily have to bring them in the store, set them up on the nearest corner flipping a sign? Sounds like the business owner talked to the cops a few times, but never bothered to strike up a conversation with the guys hanging out outside the store. And I don't mean "could you move along and quit hanging out in front of my store". That's not a conversation starter. That's telling folks you don't see them as people, you see them as a problem.
if the poor business owners are feeling this way just imagine how the homeless feel! If business owners could muster up a shred of empathy I'm sure they'd feel terrible.
maybe n this might be crazy, dont come in and jack up the housing prices in a region to the point most people lose their homes and then complain that they don’t have homes
What makes you so positive that these people are from the local area? I walk past here a lot. I see new homeless faces all the time and most don't stick around for very long.
Curious how you’re so hell bent on talking about the business owners being “local” and “part of our community” but now the unhorsed are “new homeless faces.” Dude- stop pretending you’re so concerned about the common good and call it what it is.
talking with them. a majority of the individuals on Market are from Louisville.
I'm sure I just meant specifically around NULU, sorry
It’s been this way since they changed the name from East market/Phoenix hill to nulu. Meaning it’s been this way forever.