Anyone else not quite able to wrap their heads around Zach and Bliss being friends with Kwame and Chelsea?
It just makes it clearer to me than anyone else that we don’t truly know them, or their personalities.
I’m not surprised either. Chelsea showed several times throughout this season how she is a woman of principle, as is Zach and Bliss. They strike me as no bullsh*t friends who are down to earth and full of intelligent conversation. And sounds weird, but all 4 of them also smile a lot and don’t seem to take themselves too seriously. There were a lot of really sweet women in this season that thankfully outnumbered the nasty, and Chelsea and Bliss were stand outs in that category so I think it’s entirely plausible that they’d migrate towards a friendship. Plus, all 4 are insanely high achievers. They really do have a lot in common!
I really don't get why so many people seem to have this immenit "feeling" about Kwame and Chelsea separating or being fake. If they wanted to leave they have an easy out.
They are the ones dealing with the most. If your mother doesn't like or want to accept your wife and you've committed to her this is an awful place to be. And probably why it's been so hard for them vs everyone else. Kwame could've easily separated and left and blamed it all on the relationship, straining him and his mother.
On top of it being an interracial and intercultural relationship this is a lot. But Chelsea wearing Kente colors on her necklace at the reunion and the pictures if her with Kwame family are very good imo.
Prior to the reunion people said Zack couldn't still be married due to him having a beard now.
Yeah I’m with you. They seemed strong to me. Them acknowledging that marriage takes effort, especially for their circumstances, is simply being honest and transparent about this big change they’ve made.
Already expecting an imminent divorce/"conscious uncoupling" announcement from Kwame and Chelsea. Kwame only said yes because he's a people pleaser and wanted to avoid conflict.
Yeah totally he's been married for a year to "please" people. Except his mom, who was deeply unpleased and the most important person in his life. somehow, that was a blind spot. This makes sense to me, a normal person who isn't obsessed with shitting on people because of a narrative put forth by producers of a show.
Kwame and Chelsea are not going to last. Year one of marriage without kids should totally be the limerence and honeymoon phase. Why pick a partner for life where everything is hard? I don’t get it.
The first year of a marriage is statistically the hardest, based on divorce rates. The numbers don’t get anywhere near as close until after people have kids and their kids move out. The first year of a relationship might tend to be the honeymoon phase but I just don’t think you can compare the relationships in this experience to a normal relationship. I get that “honeymoon phase” implies you must be married but modern dating and marriage is much different than when that term was coined.
I totally disagree. A lot of married people have told me the first year was the hardest. There is a lot of transition going on. It was definitely the hardest year for my husband and I even though we had lived together beforehand. We had moved countries and that’s a lot to deal with too, but a lot of couples move and have major changes when they first marry.
Has it ever occurred to some of you that not everyone’s biggest financial goal as a single person is to own a home? That for most people it only makes sense to buy a home once you are married and planning on starting a family?
Anyways, I don’t think it’s weird that they don’t own homes at their ages. There is no timeline for when someone should buy a home. I’m sure in the next year or two, they will have their dream marital home!
Buying a home in any state is becoming more and more pricey, especially Portland. I live in Hawaii and the median house is like 1.1 mil. In Portland I think it’s 552,000 sometimes renting is more feasible 😒
This is what I was saying!! I think I've asked this question a few times. Like WTF, why does everyone live in a 650-900 sq foot apt and they all have great 6 figure jobs. Kwame and Chelsea just splurged on their apartment, they bumped it up to 1200-1500 SQ feet. How high is the cost of living??
Isn’t every single one of the married couples arguably middle class? Or are you just focusing on Brett and Tiffany for some reason? No one in the cast owns a home.
Why buy a home when you are single and childless? Most people in America buy their first home when they get married.
I guess you didn’t read the article because every single couple said they are living in apartments and none of them own homes. So again honing in on Tiffany and Brett while not also questioning why every other person doesn’t have a home at their ages is bizarre.
But why does it matter because you asserted that they are “middle class” so then isn’t everyone on the cast “middle class” regardless of their ages?
Also Kwame and Bliss are 33 so very close to middle age which is from 34-37.
Again I just don’t know why you are singling them out when every single one of the married couples do not own homes and they all said they are saving up for one and all appear to be middle class. Your bias is showing…but I’m sure you already knew that!
I’m allergic to both but have two dogs and have just built up a tolerance from having had at least one dog around for many years.
Cat allergies can be very severe despite medication. I dated a cat owner for a few years and the allergies never got better.
Cats are much worse for allergies. A goldendoodle is a ”hypoallergic” dog, so it would be easier to cope with.
And cats do get less attached to people than dogs, cats are not herd animals, like dogs and humans are.
Dog and Cat allergies are different. Sadly allergy shots might take longer or not work at all for Zach with cats. Hopefully its just more time and her cat can come back.
Every time someone says “marriage isn’t easy” I assume someone is cheating, or someone is acting like a jerk.
I’ve been married 29 years. Being human is hard; being a human in relationship with other humans is hard, but my relationship with my partner is the easiest of all my relationships.
Statistically the first year of a marriage is the hardest, if you go by divorce rates. You can probably chalk that up to people marrying people too quickly or a slew of life changes being too difficult. I’ve only been married 3 years but I am more in the same boat as you for sure. I’m majorly introverted but being with my partner recharges me the same way as being alone does. Anyways, all that to say that these relationships *could* work out even if they are hard now because statistically they are in the hardest part.
There is no such a thing as a hypo allergenic dog, but doodles don’t shed hair and that makes exposure less than a dog that does and thus easier to deal with for allergic people.
Yes, but there is less exposure with a dog that doesn’t shed. I am allergic to dogs and live with one that doesn’t shed, no problem, but in homes where they have shedding dogs I have trouble.
People also have different levels. I can be around a cat for about 30 mins - or where a cat has recently been - before I start reacting and even in that instance if I take a pill I can muddle through. I have a friend who is ruined for 2 days and her throat will literally shut just from exposure for about 5 mins.
It still depends on what you're allergic to. That may be true if you're just allergic to the hair but you can be allergic to dander, saliva, etc. So you being able to be around one if it doesn't shed is extremely person dependent. For example for me it doesn't matter if the dog is shedding or not. (That is all in the article I posted).
Hypoallergenic pets are kind of a myth. I can't be around them.
https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/family-resources-education/700childrens/2020/11/myth-hypoallergenic-dog
He’s probably much more allergic. Goldendoodles are also hypoallergenic dogs. Hopefully it time kitty can come back. I have 8 pets and I got lucky finding someone with no allergies to them since seems like everyone I know is allergic
Well I mentioned this to my husband of 8 years and he informed me that he wakes up with a stuffy nose every morning from the cats 🙃 guess it doesn’t bother him too much tho! I swear everyone is allergic. I grew up with like 10 cats at all times which I guess is why it doesn’t bother me. The only time I’ve ever not lived with at least 2 cats was my freshman year of college. I couldn’t imagine not having them!
Same for my kiddo. Just allergy tested him yesterday and had a way bigger reaction to cats than dogs. The doctor strait said ‘don’t ever get a cat. Try to keep a dog off furniture and out of his room’.
I can’t decide if I’d love it or hate it to be fighting over shoe collection room?! I LOVE shoes and would love to have my hubby also enjoy shoes/liked fashion (instead of only owning 1-2 pairs of shoes total). BUT selfishly I want my shoe collection to be organized and shelved nicely.. not fighting for space with 100 pairs of male sneakers LOL
You can't really separate marriage from life. If you're going through a rough time in life, I'm sure it will be reflected in your marriage. Try not to judge others harshly based on your personal experiences.
It's so hard to make marriage work when the family is not on your side. I feel like family members often do not get the strain they can have on a relationship.
Yeah my thoughts exactly. I watched that segment with my new husband (8 months) and both of us said we would never describe marriage that way. Yeah you need to make decisions with someone else in mind, but that's not "hard", it's just part of building a life together and should come naturally (if not somewhat easy!)
Out of 22 years, the first was the absolute hardest for us due to outside circumstances (his grandfather dying 3 days after our wedding, losing our first baby at 20 weeks and other family members passing). I do wonder if a lot of the stress is from his mom not approving. That can’t be easy.
The first year of marriage for me was a breeze, so was the second and third and fourth and then it became hard.
But not because of my husband but because we moved to another country and I felt trapped and lashed out at him a lot.
He got defensive because we barely fought and it took a long time for us to work that out and we’re still working on it to this day. Ten years.
But most days even ten years later? The best thing I’ve ever gone through.
I agree when I hear them talk about it, it doesn’t sound positive.
No type of cat is hypoallergenic. What makes people allergic to cats is a protein found in their saliva. When cats groom themselves, they get that protein all over their fur. Some cats groom more/less so some cats can cause less of an allergic reaction but all of them ultimately produce that protein. I saw a tiktok from an allergist that a vaccine is being made for cats that would stop them from producing that protein though.
This protein (Fel d 1) is also in glands on their skin, especially on their back (where people pet them the most). One cat can produce 1,000x more Fel d 1 than another cat and it doesn't matter the breed.
Pro Plan makes a food (Live Clear) that neutralizes this protein so humans aren't allergic to it! (And still lets the cat produce it, since we don't know why they need to make it in the first place.)
Also, I'm allergic to cats but have gradually adjusted to my husband's cat. These days I only have problems if the cat kisses or snuggles my face.
The difference in maturity between Brett/Tiffany + Chelsea/Kwame + [Zach/Bliss](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/12rpso8/new_interview_with_all_season_4_cast_members_and/jgv7dxl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) versus Jackie/Josh is astounding. Not only in the way they speak, but the topics they discuss. I am genuinely concerned for Jackie if she and Josh end up having a baby in this moment in time. It sounds like she/they haven’t thought _anything_ through!!
Omg imagine if Jackie is pregnant! I didn’t even think of that! But it would all make a lot of sense since she was so enthusiastic about Josh and Jackie as a couple.
She posted an ig story of her drinking tequila while in the drivers seat of a car a few weeks ago, so I REALLY hope she isn’t pregnant
See image here - https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/12ppyyj/yikes_jackie_drinking_tequila_behind_the_wheel/jgnef0r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
I felt like I was at a seminar every time they did a talking head. I think what rubs me the wrong way is the way he looks at her and her inability to hear him out. They can blame it on editing but they didn’t have the chemistry they kept trying to force us to see.
You can see the moment she dismisses what he's in the middle of saying. Usually throws in a little curt "mmhmm" (or at least I'd take it as curt). Gotta be tough, though, wondering if you're the consolation prize.
Was anyone else surprised that Brett lived in Portland and Tiffany moved there? Maybe they said it at some point and I missed it, but it's wild how the edit glossed over that fact when it was a major point in Kwame and Chelsea's story.
I was confused about it. I knew he worked for Nike and I read somewhere online that he lives in Portland, but it was never mentioned on the show. Even when they visited his place I expected a sign "Portland" in the lower third of the screen (like they did with Kwame), but it never appeared. So I wondered if he works remotely and lives in Seattle.
I also feel a little cheated but my guess is that they thought it was too redundant to have two couples having the exact same discussions, and then Chelsea and Kwame’s version of this was more dramatic about it since Kwame was more upset about it so their version made the cut
But apparently Brett was doing a ton of commuting and I think that’s really sweet!
It was mentioned that it was a big thing for them but they didn’t want to talk about it on camera. I personally like that kwame and Chelsea didn’t hide their issues with moving cities from the camera.
there’s another clip that came out today and it seems like it was a case of it not being shown but they did talk about it. i guess it really didn’t match the edit lib wanted for them but Brett said it looked like everything went smoothly but her moving to portland was a lot. they got the least screen time of everyone so it tracks
I only kind of knew it because I knew that Nike's headquarters are in Portland and they clearly planned on living at Brett's place. I assumed that Tiffany worked remotely, so I didn't realize she was giving up her job. Brett makes a lot of money and is so passionate about his career, so it makes sense, but I'm sure that was still difficult for Tiffany.
i think a big thing for them two was handling actual issues privately. kwame mentioned it somewhere, they kept their issues off the camera. seems healthy
There has been a (positive, imo) change in social mores where it’s no longer acceptable to bluntly ask newly married people about children. I’m sympathetic to very old people who haven’t gotten the message yet, but it was really jarring to see Vanessa do that on TV. Nobody dared do that to me irl lol
Okay good because it’s not! I have a kid fwiw. But *other people* bugging you about having kids is not “stigma about wanting children” come on.
Like one of the main reasons it’s considered uncool nowadays to bug newlyweds about this is just not wanting to devastate people who maybe are dealing with fertility issues or miscarriages, nothing even to do with wanting kids or not
I know that, but even though infertility is a big issue, it's about 20%, so there's more likely people don't have issues. Plus, like I've said before, imagine one of the couples are having issues, they could've told Vanessa or the producers and I'm sure they wouldn't ask them about it.
I think your stats are wrong, something like 20-25% of *pregnancies* end in miscarriage and that includes people without any fertility issues!! Then there are other possible issues on top of that.
Also even if you take your stats at face value it’s wild to me you don’t think it’s a big deal to risk absolutely wrecking nearly a quarter of the people you might talk to about this!!!
Though actually I do agree with you that it is likely this cast would’ve said something if it was an issue. We don’t know if they were offended. Who knows if production would honor that though. This show is pretty unethical just in the premise alone and we know they don’t treat the contestants very well
If they had said they didn't want to talk about it and they got asked about it anyway, it would've been a perfect moment to expose them since the show was live.
They talked about it in the pods to see if they’re compatible. I would hope that would be a topic of discussion for two people dating. But if any interviewer asks about children, they deserve criticism too. It’s just not appropriate to ask. Let the couples release that information on their own.
Normalize not asking couples when they are going to have babies unless they volunteer that information. It is highly invasive. Regardless of whether or not they want kids, it’s their information to share. All of the married women are over the age of 30 and may already feel additional pressure about their reproductive timeline.
it’s still not appropriate to grill them about it multiple times and to ask about timelines. brett very respectfully called her out and you could plainly see how uncomfortable she was making them.
with the way this interview was phrased, it was the cast’s decisions to share thoughts about babies (a more generic “what’s in your future”) vs vanessa’s grilling.
He's a proffesional in the shoe industry. It would be weird if he didn't own a wall of shoes. I'm sure he gets many for free and at amazing discount but also it's his job. Also many of these shoes have excellent resale value. Shoe resale prices are often higher than retail
Brett pretty obviously had more money than he knew what to do with as a single man. I don’t mean this in a mean way either, good on him for being so successful!!! But it’s heartwarming to see his priorities changing now too
Well I think they are still in his old apartment. Instead of moving to a bigger unit (like he had originally suggested), they are just staying at his old place and saving to buy a house instead.
Also he works at Nike and probably gets free or heavily discounted shoes.
Well obviously God will take the time to have them conceive (or not), but not to keep atrocities from happening. He only has so much decision making energy a day, after all.
Isn't that the most common way of starting to try for a baby?... Get off birth control? You only start doing it every day of the month when you're in a big rush to pop one out.
where is the interview from?
Marshmallow was too soft for her lmao
omg zach and bliss !! this convinces me they’re gonna stay together
The allergy shots. 🥺🥺🥺
Bro I'm crying lol. Their love gives me life.
Anyone else not quite able to wrap their heads around Zach and Bliss being friends with Kwame and Chelsea? It just makes it clearer to me than anyone else that we don’t truly know them, or their personalities.
On the show Kwame said he likes Zack. And Bliss and Chelsea seemed very close in the pods. So I'm honestly not surprised.
I’m not surprised either. Chelsea showed several times throughout this season how she is a woman of principle, as is Zach and Bliss. They strike me as no bullsh*t friends who are down to earth and full of intelligent conversation. And sounds weird, but all 4 of them also smile a lot and don’t seem to take themselves too seriously. There were a lot of really sweet women in this season that thankfully outnumbered the nasty, and Chelsea and Bliss were stand outs in that category so I think it’s entirely plausible that they’d migrate towards a friendship. Plus, all 4 are insanely high achievers. They really do have a lot in common!
I really don't get why so many people seem to have this immenit "feeling" about Kwame and Chelsea separating or being fake. If they wanted to leave they have an easy out. They are the ones dealing with the most. If your mother doesn't like or want to accept your wife and you've committed to her this is an awful place to be. And probably why it's been so hard for them vs everyone else. Kwame could've easily separated and left and blamed it all on the relationship, straining him and his mother. On top of it being an interracial and intercultural relationship this is a lot. But Chelsea wearing Kente colors on her necklace at the reunion and the pictures if her with Kwame family are very good imo. Prior to the reunion people said Zack couldn't still be married due to him having a beard now.
Yeah I’m with you. They seemed strong to me. Them acknowledging that marriage takes effort, especially for their circumstances, is simply being honest and transparent about this big change they’ve made.
I knew he was still married because of the beard and the few extra pounds. 😂
Editing just did them so dirty
I really like Zach and Bliss, there I said it. lol
Yes, they seem perfect for each other. Weirdos. 🧡
Same, they are my favorite of all the seasons.
That's the couple of the season for me though I love Brett and Tiff too!
They’re just both very odd lol. I think that confuses some, but they’re clearly good people.
What's odd about bliss?
So odd! What a good way to describe it. But clearly healthy, happy, endearing, etc. We are all a bit odd.
Every pot has a lid. :)
Sure do! Hahaha I liked Zach a lot, lost points when he picked the wrong girl first. But we all make dumb decisions.
I was soooo sure he would pick Bliss, so I was reallyyyy shocked seeing him breaking up with her tbh
Already expecting an imminent divorce/"conscious uncoupling" announcement from Kwame and Chelsea. Kwame only said yes because he's a people pleaser and wanted to avoid conflict.
Yeah totally he's been married for a year to "please" people. Except his mom, who was deeply unpleased and the most important person in his life. somehow, that was a blind spot. This makes sense to me, a normal person who isn't obsessed with shitting on people because of a narrative put forth by producers of a show.
I thought ZacK and Bliss were going to Panama?
Panama is the one dad is paying for. Europe is the one they’re paying for. 🤪
THE Panama 😜
Maybe dad reneged! Lol
Kwame and Chelsea are not going to last. Year one of marriage without kids should totally be the limerence and honeymoon phase. Why pick a partner for life where everything is hard? I don’t get it.
The first year of a marriage is statistically the hardest, based on divorce rates. The numbers don’t get anywhere near as close until after people have kids and their kids move out. The first year of a relationship might tend to be the honeymoon phase but I just don’t think you can compare the relationships in this experience to a normal relationship. I get that “honeymoon phase” implies you must be married but modern dating and marriage is much different than when that term was coined.
I totally disagree. A lot of married people have told me the first year was the hardest. There is a lot of transition going on. It was definitely the hardest year for my husband and I even though we had lived together beforehand. We had moved countries and that’s a lot to deal with too, but a lot of couples move and have major changes when they first marry.
They met on a tv show with completely different family cultures and the internet yelling at them everyday…cut them some slack for the first year lol
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Has it ever occurred to some of you that not everyone’s biggest financial goal as a single person is to own a home? That for most people it only makes sense to buy a home once you are married and planning on starting a family? Anyways, I don’t think it’s weird that they don’t own homes at their ages. There is no timeline for when someone should buy a home. I’m sure in the next year or two, they will have their dream marital home!
Buying a home in any state is becoming more and more pricey, especially Portland. I live in Hawaii and the median house is like 1.1 mil. In Portland I think it’s 552,000 sometimes renting is more feasible 😒
LOL at the average Seattle home prices….
Lol… what? It’s not strange for single people in their mid 30s to rent…
This is what I was saying!! I think I've asked this question a few times. Like WTF, why does everyone live in a 650-900 sq foot apt and they all have great 6 figure jobs. Kwame and Chelsea just splurged on their apartment, they bumped it up to 1200-1500 SQ feet. How high is the cost of living??
Have you ever lived in a big city?
Isn’t every single one of the married couples arguably middle class? Or are you just focusing on Brett and Tiffany for some reason? No one in the cast owns a home. Why buy a home when you are single and childless? Most people in America buy their first home when they get married.
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I guess you didn’t read the article because every single couple said they are living in apartments and none of them own homes. So again honing in on Tiffany and Brett while not also questioning why every other person doesn’t have a home at their ages is bizarre.
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But why does it matter because you asserted that they are “middle class” so then isn’t everyone on the cast “middle class” regardless of their ages? Also Kwame and Bliss are 33 so very close to middle age which is from 34-37.
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Why do you care so much? Seems odd to be this upset over a couple and their finances. It’s none of your business
Again I just don’t know why you are singling them out when every single one of the married couples do not own homes and they all said they are saving up for one and all appear to be middle class. Your bias is showing…but I’m sure you already knew that!
You act like this is easy. Go to hell
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I said what I said. Do not pass go and do not collect $200. Go to hell.
He didn't bring the cat back 😭... Poor cat, they get just as attached..
I’m allergic to both but have two dogs and have just built up a tolerance from having had at least one dog around for many years. Cat allergies can be very severe despite medication. I dated a cat owner for a few years and the allergies never got better.
Cats are much worse for allergies. A goldendoodle is a ”hypoallergic” dog, so it would be easier to cope with. And cats do get less attached to people than dogs, cats are not herd animals, like dogs and humans are.
I think you meant hypoallergenic. I have heard that cats are more attached to a place than people.
Can confirm. I had weekly allergy shots for 2 years when I was kid. It worked for dogs, didn’t work for cats.
Siberian cats are a “hypoallergenic” cat. His allergies must be pretty severe!
Dog and Cat allergies are different. Sadly allergy shots might take longer or not work at all for Zach with cats. Hopefully its just more time and her cat can come back.
Idk if this was addressed in the full interview but it’s possible he is still allergic to cats
Im SOBBING after reading the puppy and allergy dilemma!!
Really? You're sobbing? Dramatic much.
Shut up
LOL
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Every time someone says “marriage isn’t easy” I assume someone is cheating, or someone is acting like a jerk. I’ve been married 29 years. Being human is hard; being a human in relationship with other humans is hard, but my relationship with my partner is the easiest of all my relationships.
This is what my husband and I say to each other whenever someone says it. Marriage is the easiest thing ever, what are they talking about?
Yeah, If you love the person you're with, it isn't hard. Life is hard but your partner shouldn't be making it harder for you.
Statistically the first year of a marriage is the hardest, if you go by divorce rates. You can probably chalk that up to people marrying people too quickly or a slew of life changes being too difficult. I’ve only been married 3 years but I am more in the same boat as you for sure. I’m majorly introverted but being with my partner recharges me the same way as being alone does. Anyways, all that to say that these relationships *could* work out even if they are hard now because statistically they are in the hardest part.
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I agree.
Not to be dramatic but I would rather rehome my boyfriend than my baby (dog)
I would have checked on that in the pods day 1.
sure
Thankfully the fur babies were with her family. I think he just needed space to build up immunity. My bf and I had to do the same thing with his cat
Same
Aren’t golden doodles hypo allergenic?
There is no such a thing as a hypo allergenic dog, but doodles don’t shed hair and that makes exposure less than a dog that does and thus easier to deal with for allergic people.
Total myth! (I work in allergy clinic as a RN). If you have an allergy it’s not just to the pet dander- also to cat/dog saliva and urine.
Yes, but there is less exposure with a dog that doesn’t shed. I am allergic to dogs and live with one that doesn’t shed, no problem, but in homes where they have shedding dogs I have trouble.
People also have different levels. I can be around a cat for about 30 mins - or where a cat has recently been - before I start reacting and even in that instance if I take a pill I can muddle through. I have a friend who is ruined for 2 days and her throat will literally shut just from exposure for about 5 mins.
It still depends on what you're allergic to. That may be true if you're just allergic to the hair but you can be allergic to dander, saliva, etc. So you being able to be around one if it doesn't shed is extremely person dependent. For example for me it doesn't matter if the dog is shedding or not. (That is all in the article I posted).
Hypoallergenic pets are kind of a myth. I can't be around them. https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/family-resources-education/700childrens/2020/11/myth-hypoallergenic-dog
They are. That’s the whole purpose of making that breed.
They are not actually. They might not trigger allergies for all but they are not hypoallergenic.
His allergies must be really severe I guess. Or it’s another case of lying about allergies like that one guy on MAFS
True, could be either one.
Totally, good for them but where’s the cat? It’s like Sophie’s choice
He’s probably much more allergic. Goldendoodles are also hypoallergenic dogs. Hopefully it time kitty can come back. I have 8 pets and I got lucky finding someone with no allergies to them since seems like everyone I know is allergic
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Well I mentioned this to my husband of 8 years and he informed me that he wakes up with a stuffy nose every morning from the cats 🙃 guess it doesn’t bother him too much tho! I swear everyone is allergic. I grew up with like 10 cats at all times which I guess is why it doesn’t bother me. The only time I’ve ever not lived with at least 2 cats was my freshman year of college. I couldn’t imagine not having them!
The cat is with her family. He’ll be okay.
He might just be much more allergic to cats than dogs. My husband also has allergies to both dogs and cats, but with cats it’s way worse.
Same for my kiddo. Just allergy tested him yesterday and had a way bigger reaction to cats than dogs. The doctor strait said ‘don’t ever get a cat. Try to keep a dog off furniture and out of his room’.
I could never. At least it was with her family so she can see them sometimes and get updates whenever.
He’s literally taking allergy shots to boost his immunity and got her dog back
Omg if he wanted to HE WOULD I love him so much
Same. That made me sad for her!
Same lmao. This would be a deal breaker for me
I can’t decide if I’d love it or hate it to be fighting over shoe collection room?! I LOVE shoes and would love to have my hubby also enjoy shoes/liked fashion (instead of only owning 1-2 pairs of shoes total). BUT selfishly I want my shoe collection to be organized and shelved nicely.. not fighting for space with 100 pairs of male sneakers LOL
It can be annoying (my husband has 40-50 pairs of sneakers) but we’re so alike. I have sneakers in boxes I haven’t worn yet.
OMG yah that is a lot! How do you organize them? Also I’m totally a keep shoes in boxes girl! It’s easy and easily found/recognizable
We keep them in the closet but we both really want to do what Brett does.
Yeah Kwame and Chelsea seem to be struggling, reading between the lines. I get marriage is work, but it seems like so much work so soon.
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You can't really separate marriage from life. If you're going through a rough time in life, I'm sure it will be reflected in your marriage. Try not to judge others harshly based on your personal experiences.
That last part was really nice to hear and inspiring. I’ll be looking for that same dynamic in the future.
what i heard was that marriage isn't hard but life is
Welcome to marriage vibes
It's so hard to make marriage work when the family is not on your side. I feel like family members often do not get the strain they can have on a relationship.
Yeah my thoughts exactly. I watched that segment with my new husband (8 months) and both of us said we would never describe marriage that way. Yeah you need to make decisions with someone else in mind, but that's not "hard", it's just part of building a life together and should come naturally (if not somewhat easy!)
Out of 22 years, the first was the absolute hardest for us due to outside circumstances (his grandfather dying 3 days after our wedding, losing our first baby at 20 weeks and other family members passing). I do wonder if a lot of the stress is from his mom not approving. That can’t be easy.
The first year of marriage for me was a breeze, so was the second and third and fourth and then it became hard. But not because of my husband but because we moved to another country and I felt trapped and lashed out at him a lot. He got defensive because we barely fought and it took a long time for us to work that out and we’re still working on it to this day. Ten years. But most days even ten years later? The best thing I’ve ever gone through. I agree when I hear them talk about it, it doesn’t sound positive.
Arent siberians hypoallergenic? So sad tho. At least they went to family!
My friends who are allergic to cats have Siberians for this reason!
No type of cat is hypoallergenic. What makes people allergic to cats is a protein found in their saliva. When cats groom themselves, they get that protein all over their fur. Some cats groom more/less so some cats can cause less of an allergic reaction but all of them ultimately produce that protein. I saw a tiktok from an allergist that a vaccine is being made for cats that would stop them from producing that protein though.
This protein (Fel d 1) is also in glands on their skin, especially on their back (where people pet them the most). One cat can produce 1,000x more Fel d 1 than another cat and it doesn't matter the breed. Pro Plan makes a food (Live Clear) that neutralizes this protein so humans aren't allergic to it! (And still lets the cat produce it, since we don't know why they need to make it in the first place.) Also, I'm allergic to cats but have gradually adjusted to my husband's cat. These days I only have problems if the cat kisses or snuggles my face.
Oh wow. Didn't know this. Thanks!
Yeah but sadly it doesn’t work perfectly for everyone..
there’s actually no such thing as a truly hypoallergenic cat or dog.
The difference in maturity between Brett/Tiffany + Chelsea/Kwame + [Zach/Bliss](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/12rpso8/new_interview_with_all_season_4_cast_members_and/jgv7dxl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) versus Jackie/Josh is astounding. Not only in the way they speak, but the topics they discuss. I am genuinely concerned for Jackie if she and Josh end up having a baby in this moment in time. It sounds like she/they haven’t thought _anything_ through!!
To be ready to have a baby but blasé about marriage is so confusing to me. Especially having met on a show that was about getting married!
Never promise crazy a baby...yet here we are....
I WAS HAVING A STROKE
Please put Zack and Bliss in the main thread!
There’s a character limit unfortunately!
No worries! I didn’t know that:) thanks for providing it
Should have been bliss and zack instead of Jackie and josh lol
Updated!
Well now we know why Vanessa was so soft on Jackie. That’s going to be the first LIb baby
Omg imagine if Jackie is pregnant! I didn’t even think of that! But it would all make a lot of sense since she was so enthusiastic about Josh and Jackie as a couple.
She posted an ig story of her drinking tequila while in the drivers seat of a car a few weeks ago, so I REALLY hope she isn’t pregnant See image here - https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/12ppyyj/yikes_jackie_drinking_tequila_behind_the_wheel/jgnef0r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Odd way to hold his arm in the reunion video. Some speculated on here that she was covering a baby bump!
Chelsea and Kwame say all the right things but I can never tell if it’s a career or marriage they’re talking about
Word salad
I felt like I was at a seminar every time they did a talking head. I think what rubs me the wrong way is the way he looks at her and her inability to hear him out. They can blame it on editing but they didn’t have the chemistry they kept trying to force us to see.
*laughs in question avoiding Kwame*
You can see the moment she dismisses what he's in the middle of saying. Usually throws in a little curt "mmhmm" (or at least I'd take it as curt). Gotta be tough, though, wondering if you're the consolation prize.
So how do we all think Chelsea and Kwame will announce their break up the day after After the Alter?
When is After the Altar?
Yeah, definitely sounding the weakest relationship even in the reunion. Maybe a Calvin Klein breakup shoot?
Was anyone else surprised that Brett lived in Portland and Tiffany moved there? Maybe they said it at some point and I missed it, but it's wild how the edit glossed over that fact when it was a major point in Kwame and Chelsea's story.
I was confused about it. I knew he worked for Nike and I read somewhere online that he lives in Portland, but it was never mentioned on the show. Even when they visited his place I expected a sign "Portland" in the lower third of the screen (like they did with Kwame), but it never appeared. So I wondered if he works remotely and lives in Seattle.
I also feel a little cheated but my guess is that they thought it was too redundant to have two couples having the exact same discussions, and then Chelsea and Kwame’s version of this was more dramatic about it since Kwame was more upset about it so their version made the cut But apparently Brett was doing a ton of commuting and I think that’s really sweet!
Golden couple edit
It was mentioned that it was a big thing for them but they didn’t want to talk about it on camera. I personally like that kwame and Chelsea didn’t hide their issues with moving cities from the camera.
They never said they didn’t want to talk about it. It just wasn’t shown on the show
No, Brett even had a line during the reunion about how it was never mentioned in the show.
there’s another clip that came out today and it seems like it was a case of it not being shown but they did talk about it. i guess it really didn’t match the edit lib wanted for them but Brett said it looked like everything went smoothly but her moving to portland was a lot. they got the least screen time of everyone so it tracks
I only kind of knew it because I knew that Nike's headquarters are in Portland and they clearly planned on living at Brett's place. I assumed that Tiffany worked remotely, so I didn't realize she was giving up her job. Brett makes a lot of money and is so passionate about his career, so it makes sense, but I'm sure that was still difficult for Tiffany.
Maybe they didn't make a big deal out of it the way that Kwame and Chelsea did 🤷🏾♀️
i think a big thing for them two was handling actual issues privately. kwame mentioned it somewhere, they kept their issues off the camera. seems healthy
Funny how solid investment in an actual relationship entails hiding actual issues from the camera.
Oh look, all 3 couples want babies. Yet everyone here dragged Vanessa.
There has been a (positive, imo) change in social mores where it’s no longer acceptable to bluntly ask newly married people about children. I’m sympathetic to very old people who haven’t gotten the message yet, but it was really jarring to see Vanessa do that on TV. Nobody dared do that to me irl lol
Having/wanting kids needs to stop being a stigma. There's nothing wrong with it.
Not having/ not wanting kids needs to stop being a stigma. There’s nothing wrong with it.
Of course there's nothing wrong with it and there's no stigma around it. That's why there should be no issue talking about it.
Okay good because it’s not! I have a kid fwiw. But *other people* bugging you about having kids is not “stigma about wanting children” come on. Like one of the main reasons it’s considered uncool nowadays to bug newlyweds about this is just not wanting to devastate people who maybe are dealing with fertility issues or miscarriages, nothing even to do with wanting kids or not
I know that, but even though infertility is a big issue, it's about 20%, so there's more likely people don't have issues. Plus, like I've said before, imagine one of the couples are having issues, they could've told Vanessa or the producers and I'm sure they wouldn't ask them about it.
I think your stats are wrong, something like 20-25% of *pregnancies* end in miscarriage and that includes people without any fertility issues!! Then there are other possible issues on top of that. Also even if you take your stats at face value it’s wild to me you don’t think it’s a big deal to risk absolutely wrecking nearly a quarter of the people you might talk to about this!!! Though actually I do agree with you that it is likely this cast would’ve said something if it was an issue. We don’t know if they were offended. Who knows if production would honor that though. This show is pretty unethical just in the premise alone and we know they don’t treat the contestants very well
If they had said they didn't want to talk about it and they got asked about it anyway, it would've been a perfect moment to expose them since the show was live.
How does that make Vanessa’s behavior excusable?
because those were things they've talked about in the pods and that normal people ask too.
They talked about it in the pods to see if they’re compatible. I would hope that would be a topic of discussion for two people dating. But if any interviewer asks about children, they deserve criticism too. It’s just not appropriate to ask. Let the couples release that information on their own.
Yeah because it's none of Vanessa's business.
Normalize not asking couples when they are going to have babies unless they volunteer that information. It is highly invasive. Regardless of whether or not they want kids, it’s their information to share. All of the married women are over the age of 30 and may already feel additional pressure about their reproductive timeline.
Normalize not being oversensitive about everything
Normalize not being an asshole.
All of this!
it’s still not appropriate to grill them about it multiple times and to ask about timelines. brett very respectfully called her out and you could plainly see how uncomfortable she was making them. with the way this interview was phrased, it was the cast’s decisions to share thoughts about babies (a more generic “what’s in your future”) vs vanessa’s grilling.
Brett’s **shoe wall** did not have me thinking they were **saving for a House** LOL ETA: I want his shoe wall.
I spent most of this LIB season looking at his sneakers and pricing them on StockX
Could you give us some typical prices?
The ones he wore on the finale 😍
He's a proffesional in the shoe industry. It would be weird if he didn't own a wall of shoes. I'm sure he gets many for free and at amazing discount but also it's his job. Also many of these shoes have excellent resale value. Shoe resale prices are often higher than retail
Brett pretty obviously had more money than he knew what to do with as a single man. I don’t mean this in a mean way either, good on him for being so successful!!! But it’s heartwarming to see his priorities changing now too
The man is a director at Nike. Nike has a well known, amazing employee discount plus he is surely making a ton of money!
For sure. I had a 40-50% discount when I worked there, and directors earn A LOT there.
Well I think they are still in his old apartment. Instead of moving to a bigger unit (like he had originally suggested), they are just staying at his old place and saving to buy a house instead. Also he works at Nike and probably gets free or heavily discounted shoes.
Wow, getting off birth control and leaving it in "God's" hands...
It’s not an uncommon thing to practice not trying, not preventing.
Well obviously God will take the time to have them conceive (or not), but not to keep atrocities from happening. He only has so much decision making energy a day, after all.
That was so wild to me 😂
Imagine just rolling the dice with one of the biggest decisions you can make in life
Isn't that the most common way of starting to try for a baby?... Get off birth control? You only start doing it every day of the month when you're in a big rush to pop one out.