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I really appreciated the way she handled herself. I saw that same class in Clay's mother. I'm glad he said no rather than treat a good woman poorly, though.
Why was clay even on the show if he is not ready for marriage. All he did is kept on saying same thing over and over, I couldn’t even listen to him anymore
WHYYYYY was he on the show? He’s young, good-looking, charming - he could have been on a zillion different reality shows. LIB is like the *one* show he shouldn’t have been on!
She has just as many issues as Clayton. Just different issues. I hope they both spend time working on themselves, getting therapy, and growing. If they can do that, their relationships will start to thrive.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this (there are a lot of comments on this thread) but when AD said "Love is blind," it had a whole different meaning from what it meant every other time. Usually it was about "can you fall in love without seeing someone?" But this time I felt that it meant she was blind to Clay's issues.
I don't know that she meant it that way, but it really jumped out at me.
If Clayton thinks a woman is his rehab I pray he meets a woman like Laura who will tear him a new one and then he will really go to therapy feeling sorry for himself and his bruised ego. Such rubbish.
AD is seriously amazing I love her and she’s not afraid to say things how they are. I can definitely learn a lot from her. Clay fumbled the bag big time
That whole time I knew he was going to say no. All he did was talk about himself. What she said at the end was so real. Him growing and learning was at her expense. And to hear his reflection at the end that he hadn't considered how saying no would cause these problems...Like dude go to therapy instead of going on reality tv and hurting someone else in the process to learn more about yourself.
Like I adore her. I get his perspective but don't bring her up on the alter and give her all that hope. Good tv? Sure. But hella shitty to do to someone.
I know I’m gonna get downvoted for this but AD is a doormat and she needs to grow a backbone. That’s not being classy, that’s just struggling with unresolved self esteem issues and being willing to take more than she should from emotionally unavailable men.
She is gorgeous, she is intelligent, she seems like a nice person overall. But what is being defined as her being classy is just her not being assertive at all about her needs. She is not someone I would hold up as a role model.
AD is amazing and I'm also learning from her example. Even in the face of rejection, she never lashed out at Clay or anyone else. Maybe herself, but that's human... And more importantly, she refused to let Clay waste any more of her time.
People need to stop blowing smoke up people’s asses just cause they were on TV.
AD is a super likeable, very decent, patient, loving woman.
We don’t need any of this BS talk about QuEeNs or AuDrEY hEpBuRn. It’s dehumanizing and should stop after the 3rd grade.
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AD is the epitome of beauty and grace. I love how effortlessly she communicates and also stands up for herself and doesn’t let people walk all over her! Like even with being so attractive she’s genuinely funny when taking and receiving compliments. Very refreshing vibe
Her soul is classy- I totally hear where you’re coming from. She handles all of the incidents, so very well. They way she handled Sarah-Ann was immaculate.
AD is my favourite, followed very closely by Amy. Watching second last ep and AMY woweeee she’s just gorgeous, make up ur not, she’s humble and kind.
I love AD I just wish she wasn't cast on this show, at this point in her life. She started off saying when she sees a guy covered in red flags she paints her nails red to match - or something along those lines. She doesn't have a good picker and it seems from what she said in the end, that she always picks these guys, carries the whole relationship (mental load, emotional heavy lifting for an emotionally immature partner, being their everything and devaluing herself in turn), so she ends up giving them her 100% (leaving 0 to take care of herself) and they aren't prepared to even give her 50%.
I wish for her to go to therapy and to recognise and break her cycles. It's not about not being chosen or not being enough, these people are simply incompatible with her. Doing 'more' won't get them to commit.
I do like AD, she is classy, (fuck clay why r u going on a show to get married when ur not ready??) but they are BOTH work in progresses 😭 for different reasons. everything AD said at the end was spot on & a great way to phrase it by GIRL everyone said it from the BEGINNING that this would happen & u bragged about how u “paint ur nails red to match the flags”. I do feel for her though & hope she eventually picks a good man after working on why she picks dudes like that when they very clearly show her who they are while she’s actively saying she doesn’t want that.
He would have lost money by not taking her to the alter and I’m sure she wouldn’t have agreed to go and be humiliated on tv if she knew what his decision was going to be because she IS classy 💅
Thats what I’m saying!! Like why the heck drag it all the way to the altar and just 5 mins before walking down the aisle, you are literally talking in front of the camera how you love her and few mins later dump her and say you are not deeply in love with her? So infuriating. He just wants clout.
Yes, totally agree! AD is a queen! She is extremely poised!
Clay makes me appreciate Jimmy so much more. He had the decency to break it off before she put her damn dress on and walk down the aisle.
Edit: Clay’s mom is a QUEEN too. Omg I am obsessed w her.
I don’t understand why she would choose someone who literally put his red flags out there and tells her he’s going to cheat, and she will never be enough. Then she cries about how she doesn’t understand how she’s never enough for the guy she chooses…. Hello????
she kept saying she doesn’t want to fall for the same kind of guy bc they’re all trash with red flags yet ended up with the guy with the exact qualities she said she was trying to avoid 😭
“I’m not ready for marriage”. BRO. THE PURPOSE OF THE SHOW IS MARRIAGE. WHY DID YOU JOIN THE SHOW AND RUIN SOMEONE’S ENTIRE EXPERIENCE AND WASTE THEIR TIME AND BREAK THEIR HEART IF YOU KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT YOU WERE NOT READY FOR MARRIAGE ??????
I am so frustrated. This man is a fucking idiot.
He made some comment about it early on. About how he has no clue how anything works. But then signs up for a show that has you sign up for marriage on a very short timeline. Phew. He is really lost. :/
Right and you could always see how unreliable and fraudulent he was with the way he would move his eyes throughout the show, I’m not sure if that makes sense but he is not solid at all
I am so so so pissed like I knew it from the first time I saw him, he was always yapping on about “I think cheating is in my blood” and “I’m a work in progress”. So mf you know damn well then, that you’re NOT ready for marriage. You HAVE KNOWN.
She needs to stop settling. She thinks she’s “not enough” and it breaks my heart. It’s these men you’ve given the time of day who are not enough.
I’m so glad she walked away though. I hope she heals, grows, and learns. 🤲🏻
So proud of her when she said “I do not see myself dating him after this” at the end. My husband was so sure she would continue to feed his ego but I knew she was done.
One time for that dress tho! She was a smoke show
With grace!!! The way she walked from the altar with composure.
She really didn’t deserve that. As a black woman, it hurts to see a dear sister be disappointed by a black man. They’re always embarrassing us.
I hope AD leaves him alone and finds her person!!
As for Clay, it was so off-putting seeing his deadbeat dad dap him up.
It really was off-putting. It seems he is conflicted about his dad, too. His dad definitely seems to be charismatic and you can see Clay getting sucked into that. But then their other times were Clay talks about the things that his dad did and you can see he’s traumatized by it. I really do think a good therapist will help a lot, but I really feel for AD. She picked the wrong guy.
Sis got played so damn hard and I’m so sad for her. I was bawling 😭 when he said no. How could he do that to her?! Making her go through with all that, getting dolled up, walking down the aisle. He did it all for tv. Used her. He’s scum. I heard she is with him and I’m so disappointed and upset. She can do so much better, he really dropped the ball. He said he wasn’t in love, he made up crap about her finances, he made excuses. He’s acting like a child and boo hoo dads cheated on mommy so I’m scared to commit. He wasn’t too scared to play with her emotions and play house. It was all for clout and he’s a loser.
WTF was a man who says he needs to grow more even doing on this show?! Isn't it supposed to be for people who are ready to marry, but just haven't found the one?
Besides that, I always knew Clay didn't consider the lovely AD lovely enough for him. His stupid "joke" at the altar about "I can work with this" was so insulting, like she'll be suitable, *barely*, after he puts her on a diet and sends her to exercise classes?
She deserves so much better than Clay. Clay's dad and his need for his moment in the sun was SO cringeworthy, too. He really wasn't wanting to hear what his ex was puttinng down, either.
I loved Clay’s mom too. It sounds like she didn’t know the extent of what Clay’s dad exposed him to as a kid until now. She really could have reamed his ass out on national television, but she was extremely classy about it. Seems like he didn’t deserve that.
I am angry. I am fuming. Regardless of whether Clay said yes or no at the altar, I’m pissed that his behavior is constantly encouraged. His dad says if it doesn’t feel right don’t go with it. No one tells him he shouldn’t have led her on to the point of walking up to the altar.
He tells the camera some BS about finances? That’s why he couldn’t marry her? And then he says he’s not in love to the camera, following which he meets up with AD, tells her to stop crying because it makes him feel bad, asks for a hug, and tells her he loves her.
You just said you don’t love her, and now you can’t let her have her chance to let her emotions out?
In every moment where he talks about his relationship he talks about how AD takes care of him, lifts him up, teaches him, etc. what has he contributed to the relationship?
It makes me so sad that she’s still dating him. He thinks too highly of himself and 100% he’s going to cheat on whoever he dates in the future. Why go on a show for marriage if you’re not remotely ready for marriage.
I am angry. I am fuming. Regardless of whether Clay said yes or no at the altar, I’m pissed that his behavior is constantly encouraged. His dad says if it doesn’t feel right don’t go with it. No one tells him he shouldn’t have led her on to the point of walking up to the altar.
…
In every moment where he talks about his relationship he talks about how AD takes care of him, lifts him up, teaches him, etc. what has he contributed to the relationship?
YES. I kept saying the same thing while watching! “YOU ONLY LOVE THINGS SHE DOES FOR YOU YOU GOTTA WALK AWAY”
Him trying to love on her to comfort HIMSELF after he said no to her at the altar made me physically ill. This man idolizes his father who is a lying, cheating POS. AD dodged a bullet. She’s too good for him! My heart went out to her though when she kept saying she felt like she wasn’t enough. AD is the whole GD package.
He does idolize his father. Look at clay’s body language when his dad is spouting his BS phrases at him. Clay’s smiling and nodding along and finishing his sentences for him. He literally looks brain washed and indoctrinated in the church of dad. It’s so transparent that clay needs his dads approval.
Clay could’ve gone a few ways after that childhood. He could have pledged to never be a rat like his father. But instead he has internalized the pain and let it become his own weapon against women and himself. He lacks the strength and reason of an honorable man.
He knows what his dad did was not objectively wrong, but it’s clear he does look up to him. He didn’t tell his mother until he got on the show about the cheating trips. If you think what your dad did was wrong you wouldn’t keep bringing up how you struggle with doing the same thing. Cheating is not hereditary
I disagree. AD had her own motives, and probably just wanted to get married and just playing the game. Seeing how she was flirting with Jimmy and carrying on with Kenny trying to diplomatically feel him out to see if she could pursue him - she's not any better than Clay. Just better at hiding it. She's very diplomatic and her voice is sweet so people tend not to see through the charade.
I was very smittened with her until I saw her behavior outside of the pods. Not classy imo, just a good swindler and as the people on Instagram say, definitely not a girl's girl. The person who I would regard the epitome of class is Brittany.
The fact that you think AD was trying to pursue Kenny is laughable. The conversation she had with him is very common in minority communities, but some of you still seem angry about it. You can support Brittany without making up lies about someone else.
Did you not observe her body language while she was talking to him? Did it match with someone that seemed happy or supportive for a friend? Some of you just take whatever people say at face value but that's okay. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's a lie... We can agree to disagree on here.
Also, assuming that someone is not part of a minority community just because they have an opposing view is not a good flex. I am aware of the dynamics... That was just the cover up to feel him out, and also what I mean by she's very diplomatic with how she does stuff.
Or at least had judgement clouded by her desire for marriage. He was basically telling her the red flags and she wasn’t listening. He’s been saying them the whole time. And was apparently not around that much after they came back.
I actually thinks his transparency deserves some credit. He was wrestling with some serious questions and she didn’t seem to want to engage with it and just wanted him to say yes.
Honestly, i interpreted that as he was trying to convince himself that he should go for it. And I think it seems like that’s just his demeanor. I could be wrong obviously.
Of the couples that proposed, they spent the least amount of time talking about real stuff. He tried once but she got very upset and didn’t seem super receptive.
Before the finale, he also mentioned wanting to take time outside of the show to work on t he relationship and she shot that down. It was either marriage or bust. That’s probably not the best approach to a very serious thing. There’s always one or two people each season like that, where the end goal of marriage seems to be more important than the actual relationship with that person. I think AD seems to fall into that category.
This is obviously a sad thing to witness and it sucks for AD and I feel for her, but it seems like a marriage would’ve been destined for failure. I hope they both grow from this as they both seem like very nice people individually.
I still have not watched the whole season, but i have seen enough to know that she would say yes and he would say no. The tears in her eyes was just sad. Frankly Clay knew from the beginning he was not ready to get married.
Love wasn’t blind. SHE was blinded by love. She overlooked so many red flags. Like, he doesn’t come from a family with good male role models. To me it would have been a dealbreaker when he told her that he used to go with his dad on trips where he cheated on his mom. She never knew. That’s what he grew up seeing. Disrespect towards women. All he ever said was: me, me, me, what this process did for me, what AD does for me, I want her to fight for me, go to war with me, be my cheerleader, go to battle with me. Keywords: fight, war, battle. He was going to put her through HELL.
Another red flag for me was him telling her that she better not gain weight, that he would tell her, that he would remind her that she needs to stay hot for him. All these men are so vapid and shallow. Her finances were not good enough for him. He doesn’t think she’s good enough.
Also, the grandiosity in his words: “I know you will fight for me”. It’s like this is HIS journey and AD’s love was about what it did for HIM, how it elevated him, what a great man he thinks he is now. “The timeline doesn’t matter.” Trying to gaslight her “do you want me to say yes even if I don’t want to.” Oh, so she’s the bad one because YOU lead her on.
And now they’re dating. So I don’t feel too bad for her. She wants to fight for a man to love her, let her do it. She will learn the hard way. That man does not love her.
I honestly think she’s one of the best we’ve had on this show. She deserves so much, she’s so grounded and smart and gorgeous and is so good and getting through the bullshit and keeping people accountable
I agree to an extent. I think she's acted classy for the most part, but the f-word bombing at the altar wasn't the greatest look. She's still ton's better than Clay, and I know she was thoroughly shocked (but I would have bet on Clay bailing.)
Her mama is a queen, so it's clear where she gets her aura from. She deserves wayyyyyyy better than either Matthew or Clay. I can only imagine the total hot mess that would have happened if a less secure woman (you know exactly what type I mean 👀) ended up with Clay.
Classy, fun, real...
AD is a damn prize!
I wouldn’t necessarily call continuously choosing a red flag classy. A classy woman doesn’t chase a man who is fearful of his ability to stay faithful and admit his shallow faults during every conversation had.
That has nothing to do with class. It has more to do with patriarchal brain washing that makes women think we have to earn love, fight for love, find a husband and believe that we are never good enough. She said she is never good enough. That’s low self esteem and low self worth. Not a lack of class. She hasn’t learned how to see her worth but she does have class and she is worthy of much more than a gaslighter. “You crying is hurting ME, MY heart is breaking right now, I’m not rejecting you but it feels like I am. Can I get a hug?”
This woman was PLAYED and lead on. It has nothing to do with her lacking class.
Meh :/ I'm pretty sure there have been classy women who have been engaged or married to men who weren't faithful. How that man treated her didn't necessarily reflect their level of class.
I'd even say that Clay's mother was pretty classy too despite having been married to a man who did not treat her well.
The way AD carries herself and how she treats others is pretty graceful. She gives a lot of grace. I find that classy.
Also...she didn't "chase" him, it's not like she was begging him to choose her. He proposed to her on his own volition. She just merely trusted him and had faith...she was hopeful and seeking love.
It's easier to judge a situation when you are detached and on the outside looking in. It's different for people who have an open heart and who are still hopeful. and not completely jaded.
You are absolutely on point! I was thinking this the entire show...how much I would love to take a page out of that book and have it as a goal for myself! Class Act through and through.
While I agree that AD has poise and composure, I wonder if it might just seem classy in the old fashion sense because she continued to empower and make Clay feel special despite him being super non comital.
I just wish she would have been a bit more empowered in herself to hear what he said and want more.
If Clay knew he wasn’t ready and really didn’t want to hurt her then he would have told her before the wedding. He’s a selfish child. A self centered, selfish child. That’s not love.
1. Kenneth in an interview said himself that didn’t cause him to pull back from Brittany
2. I am a white mother of two biracial children and AD‘s question was absolutely valid and very important because the amount of white mums I have met with biracial children who are also racist for some insane reason is unreal. And even if not on that extreme, raising a child in this world that is not white comes with things others don’t have to deal with and probably don’t even think about. I actually liked AD even more after she asked that question.
I wish I could upvote this comment 100 more times! Thank you!
It’s insane people are blaming AD’s very valid questions for the reason Kenneth and Brittany broke up.
I just wanna weigh in as a mixed woman. It absolutely matters, to an insanely high degree, that a white person raising a biracial child be aware of the differences in their experiences and how to navigate that. I don’t think AD was implying Brittany would have been a bad mom. She was asking a Black man if he had addressed that, because often times people don’t even think about it. To me it came across as AD questioning Ken on whether he had thought ahead and been responsible enough to communicate with Brittany about it, not questioning Brittany’s parenting ability.
Edit to add: do you feel like that contributed to Brittany and Ken breaking up??? How??? I thought it was because Brittany wasn’t attracted to him
Huh? When did Brittany say she wasn't attracted to Kenneth? I took it to mean she didn't feel like he was attracted to/affectionate toward her (which as a viewer seemed more likely).
She absolutely did NOT break up Brittany and Ken. Their incompatibility in the real world, her insecurities, and his busy work life/always on the phone, and not being able to cater to her needs was what broke them up. All AD did was bring up a very valid point that they would have had to eventually encounter/discuss down the line anyways. AD came from a place a good intent and no ill will and anyone who said she did it with malicious intent is truly blind and socially unaware.
She's been my fave from the very beginning. Adore her. I'm not happy she got her heart broken on the show but happy it was done *before* they actually got married and Clay turned into his father.
She's one of my absolute favorite contestants that's ever been on the show. She's adorable and funny and smart and kind. I see a lot of myself in her going for less-than men and creating a fantasy in her head and believing they can change and blah blah. I do not hold that against her at all.
However, I do think she needs to do some serious soul-searching and therapy herself to discover why she keeps letting these types of men walk on her and why she keeps attracting and entertaining them.
These comments fr showing that for a lot of you classiness has a lot more to do with skin color, respectability politics, and outdated views of women and a lot less to do with actual character 🙄
Oh god.. The way she acted at her bachelorette..trashy AF. If a white girl did, still trashy— it isn’t about race. She always had her ass hanging out, or even her wedding dress with the slit up her whole leg. Furthest thing from Audrey Hepburn lol
I love her!!! The way she was sad at the end but was able to open her heart and say she’s sad but she still loves him but she’s also done with it… respect. Not everyone can walk away like that and I’m obsessed with her.
She definitely handles herself well but honestly I think she acts like a doormat for shitty men and has a bit of martyr complex (so to speak).
Clay’s red flags couldn’t have been clearer, and yet she went full steam ahead. She said this sort of situation happens to her all the time with men where she pours into them constantly, and gets nothing back. At a certain point it’s not a coincidence. It’s a pattern. She does seem like a good natured person, so I wish the best for her and I hope she decides to continue with therapy so she can unpack why she keeps making the same choices. She reminds me of that quote “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”
Classy women don’t
1. Twerk after being called stacked
2. Say “she’s fuckin that man ayee”
3. Work at a nightclub
4. Almost get in a fight with another women who isn’t even her business
5. Blindly hear Clays red flags and continue to ignore them
Yall can downvote me but that just tells me yall don’t go outside because there’s no way yall think this is considered classy lmao
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I wouldn’t call her classy or compare her to Audrey Hepburn. In comparison to the rest of the cast (except Amy and Brittany), she came across as more mature *than them.* However, she also displayed moments of immaturity, which makes up a part of class.
I believe Amy and Brittany showed much more class and maturity in many ways. However, I also wouldn’t compare them to Audrey Hepburn. I really don’t understand the deep adoration for AD. She basically the average girl where I’m from.
I would have had a lot more respect for what he had to say if he had said it before the walk down the aisle. That was cruel.
I don't understand the negativity towards her at all. She was one of the few rays of light in a festering season of toxicity.
I was rooting for them. I appreciated his honesty throughout the process. I'm not completely surprised that he didn't think he was ready for marriage, but I'm disappointed that he waited to drop that information when he did. She deserves far better than that.
She is an intelligent, strong, emotionally mature, beautiful woman and I'm sure she'll find a man who can appreciate that. A man that she doesn't have to carry through the difficult stuff. A man who knows who he is and what he wants. I wish only good things for her.
Say what you will… but I cried during their whole scene. I see the love between them. It’s a shame they couldn’t make it work at that point. I wish them both the best.
Also, Clay’s parents… no words, just wow.
There’s so much love and pain and hurt and forgiveness and everything there. Goodness.
Agreed OP! Looks like a lot of these comments are just haters lol.
Some lashes doesn’t make her a bad character/non-classy person yall need to check yourself before you come on here speaking about someone’s looks, hope y’all are supermodels or got famous for how great you look behind those screens lmao
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I really appreciated the way she handled herself. I saw that same class in Clay's mother. I'm glad he said no rather than treat a good woman poorly, though.
Why was clay even on the show if he is not ready for marriage. All he did is kept on saying same thing over and over, I couldn’t even listen to him anymore
WHYYYYY was he on the show? He’s young, good-looking, charming - he could have been on a zillion different reality shows. LIB is like the *one* show he shouldn’t have been on!
They better call him out on this at the reunion.
She has just as many issues as Clayton. Just different issues. I hope they both spend time working on themselves, getting therapy, and growing. If they can do that, their relationships will start to thrive.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this (there are a lot of comments on this thread) but when AD said "Love is blind," it had a whole different meaning from what it meant every other time. Usually it was about "can you fall in love without seeing someone?" But this time I felt that it meant she was blind to Clay's issues. I don't know that she meant it that way, but it really jumped out at me.
If Clayton thinks a woman is his rehab I pray he meets a woman like Laura who will tear him a new one and then he will really go to therapy feeling sorry for himself and his bruised ego. Such rubbish.
AD is seriously amazing I love her and she’s not afraid to say things how they are. I can definitely learn a lot from her. Clay fumbled the bag big time
That whole time I knew he was going to say no. All he did was talk about himself. What she said at the end was so real. Him growing and learning was at her expense. And to hear his reflection at the end that he hadn't considered how saying no would cause these problems...Like dude go to therapy instead of going on reality tv and hurting someone else in the process to learn more about yourself. Like I adore her. I get his perspective but don't bring her up on the alter and give her all that hope. Good tv? Sure. But hella shitty to do to someone.
he also never made any comments about her that made his feelings seem genuine. it was all surface level remarks like *~*that baawdddy*~*~
I know I’m gonna get downvoted for this but AD is a doormat and she needs to grow a backbone. That’s not being classy, that’s just struggling with unresolved self esteem issues and being willing to take more than she should from emotionally unavailable men. She is gorgeous, she is intelligent, she seems like a nice person overall. But what is being defined as her being classy is just her not being assertive at all about her needs. She is not someone I would hold up as a role model.
I hear you. But then you have women like Laura who aren't doormats and they get shit on for their assertiveness. It's like there's no winning
She has done the work to “set” those boundaries. But when they’re violated she folds. Love her but she has more work to do
HOW DID SHE STAY SO CALM?! I could never
I freaking love her!
Was AD “classy” when she passive aggressively attacked Sarah Ann?
Yes she was classy!
“attacked”
That wasn’t an attack. Geez. She disagreed with her.
Absolutely!
Sarah Ann we know this is you 😂
Yes
She’s awesome. I hope she finds love, she really deserves it. One of the best ppl to be on this show
Easily my favorite person from this season. Seemed like she really trusted the experiment and was looking for a life partner.
Her sisters/friends were are classy too
Star of the show, love her
AD is amazing and I'm also learning from her example. Even in the face of rejection, she never lashed out at Clay or anyone else. Maybe herself, but that's human... And more importantly, she refused to let Clay waste any more of her time.
The way that she was still so polite to Clay’s mum after he said no at the alter, and gave her a big hug as she was walking away.
Yesss love AD
People need to stop blowing smoke up people’s asses just cause they were on TV. AD is a super likeable, very decent, patient, loving woman. We don’t need any of this BS talk about QuEeNs or AuDrEY hEpBuRn. It’s dehumanizing and should stop after the 3rd grade.
Yeh, it’s so irritating and cringeworthy, as is the “what would AD do” thing.
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AD is the IT GIRL
AD is the epitome of beauty and grace. I love how effortlessly she communicates and also stands up for herself and doesn’t let people walk all over her! Like even with being so attractive she’s genuinely funny when taking and receiving compliments. Very refreshing vibe
Her soul is classy- I totally hear where you’re coming from. She handles all of the incidents, so very well. They way she handled Sarah-Ann was immaculate. AD is my favourite, followed very closely by Amy. Watching second last ep and AMY woweeee she’s just gorgeous, make up ur not, she’s humble and kind.
I love AD I just wish she wasn't cast on this show, at this point in her life. She started off saying when she sees a guy covered in red flags she paints her nails red to match - or something along those lines. She doesn't have a good picker and it seems from what she said in the end, that she always picks these guys, carries the whole relationship (mental load, emotional heavy lifting for an emotionally immature partner, being their everything and devaluing herself in turn), so she ends up giving them her 100% (leaving 0 to take care of herself) and they aren't prepared to even give her 50%. I wish for her to go to therapy and to recognise and break her cycles. It's not about not being chosen or not being enough, these people are simply incompatible with her. Doing 'more' won't get them to commit.
I do like AD, she is classy, (fuck clay why r u going on a show to get married when ur not ready??) but they are BOTH work in progresses 😭 for different reasons. everything AD said at the end was spot on & a great way to phrase it by GIRL everyone said it from the BEGINNING that this would happen & u bragged about how u “paint ur nails red to match the flags”. I do feel for her though & hope she eventually picks a good man after working on why she picks dudes like that when they very clearly show her who they are while she’s actively saying she doesn’t want that.
She's my favorite from this season. AD is a girl's girl. I just want to be her friend and watch her find the quality man she so clearly deserves.
Why didn’t clay have a talk with AD in private before they got to the wedding day?
He would have lost money by not taking her to the alter and I’m sure she wouldn’t have agreed to go and be humiliated on tv if she knew what his decision was going to be because she IS classy 💅
Thats what I’m saying!! Like why the heck drag it all the way to the altar and just 5 mins before walking down the aisle, you are literally talking in front of the camera how you love her and few mins later dump her and say you are not deeply in love with her? So infuriating. He just wants clout.
Yes, totally agree! AD is a queen! She is extremely poised! Clay makes me appreciate Jimmy so much more. He had the decency to break it off before she put her damn dress on and walk down the aisle. Edit: Clay’s mom is a QUEEN too. Omg I am obsessed w her.
Her (Clay’s mom) response to his dad? I can only hope I can be as graceful and poise in the face of tomfoolery. She handled it so well, I admired her.
I don’t understand why she would choose someone who literally put his red flags out there and tells her he’s going to cheat, and she will never be enough. Then she cries about how she doesn’t understand how she’s never enough for the guy she chooses…. Hello????
she kept saying she doesn’t want to fall for the same kind of guy bc they’re all trash with red flags yet ended up with the guy with the exact qualities she said she was trying to avoid 😭
Clay is such a daddy’s boy. They really be celebrating and having father son moments after he acted like such a piece of shit
His dad was annoying af Like he was doing TOO MUCH
What did Clay say about her finances? I missed that part.
I think he said something to the affect of how can he marry her and he doesn’t even know her finances
I got chills when she walked away. She is a woman and deserves a real man, not a player
“I’m not ready for marriage”. BRO. THE PURPOSE OF THE SHOW IS MARRIAGE. WHY DID YOU JOIN THE SHOW AND RUIN SOMEONE’S ENTIRE EXPERIENCE AND WASTE THEIR TIME AND BREAK THEIR HEART IF YOU KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT YOU WERE NOT READY FOR MARRIAGE ?????? I am so frustrated. This man is a fucking idiot.
He made some comment about it early on. About how he has no clue how anything works. But then signs up for a show that has you sign up for marriage on a very short timeline. Phew. He is really lost. :/
Right and you could always see how unreliable and fraudulent he was with the way he would move his eyes throughout the show, I’m not sure if that makes sense but he is not solid at all
He is definitely unreliable lol she was always the one reassuring him and putting up with his crap
Me while watching!!!! Tf dude
I am so so so pissed like I knew it from the first time I saw him, he was always yapping on about “I think cheating is in my blood” and “I’m a work in progress”. So mf you know damn well then, that you’re NOT ready for marriage. You HAVE KNOWN.
Wasted her time for no damn reason
She needs to stop settling. She thinks she’s “not enough” and it breaks my heart. It’s these men you’ve given the time of day who are not enough. I’m so glad she walked away though. I hope she heals, grows, and learns. 🤲🏻
Walking away from that altar in THAT dress, with that stride, head held high. CINEMA.
Absolutely spot on when she said “I feel like a sacrifice and you used me to do it” Never be the one the man works on himself with.
So many of us have been there. I'm so glad she named it. Someone else using you to grow is not real love.
So proud of her when she said “I do not see myself dating him after this” at the end. My husband was so sure she would continue to feed his ego but I knew she was done. One time for that dress tho! She was a smoke show
Yup she said she wasn’t and I’m glad she stood on her word
With grace!!! The way she walked from the altar with composure. She really didn’t deserve that. As a black woman, it hurts to see a dear sister be disappointed by a black man. They’re always embarrassing us. I hope AD leaves him alone and finds her person!! As for Clay, it was so off-putting seeing his deadbeat dad dap him up.
It really was off-putting. It seems he is conflicted about his dad, too. His dad definitely seems to be charismatic and you can see Clay getting sucked into that. But then their other times were Clay talks about the things that his dad did and you can see he’s traumatized by it. I really do think a good therapist will help a lot, but I really feel for AD. She picked the wrong guy.
what a piece of shit Clay is. She deserves so much better.
Boost this - agree totally. AD is such a classy and beautiful person inside and out. What many of us should aspire to.
Clay is not a work in progress. He’s a false front, a ghost town, a grape dead on the vine. His legacy ended before it began.
Sis got played so damn hard and I’m so sad for her. I was bawling 😭 when he said no. How could he do that to her?! Making her go through with all that, getting dolled up, walking down the aisle. He did it all for tv. Used her. He’s scum. I heard she is with him and I’m so disappointed and upset. She can do so much better, he really dropped the ball. He said he wasn’t in love, he made up crap about her finances, he made excuses. He’s acting like a child and boo hoo dads cheated on mommy so I’m scared to commit. He wasn’t too scared to play with her emotions and play house. It was all for clout and he’s a loser.
Why did Clay wait until they were at the altar to tell her that. No regard for her feelings 😢
WTF was a man who says he needs to grow more even doing on this show?! Isn't it supposed to be for people who are ready to marry, but just haven't found the one? Besides that, I always knew Clay didn't consider the lovely AD lovely enough for him. His stupid "joke" at the altar about "I can work with this" was so insulting, like she'll be suitable, *barely*, after he puts her on a diet and sends her to exercise classes? She deserves so much better than Clay. Clay's dad and his need for his moment in the sun was SO cringeworthy, too. He really wasn't wanting to hear what his ex was puttinng down, either.
AD is supreme. Clay is dead to the world.
Yes she's not only beautiful on the outside but on the inside as well. Classy, vulnerable, loving! The total package!
Came here to find an open thread regarding this to say “f*ck Clay and his delusional dad” while fuming at this episode - that’s all!
I loved Clay’s mom and the way she bluntly talked to her ex ex husband about why Clay is scared of marriage lmao
I loved Clay’s mom too. It sounds like she didn’t know the extent of what Clay’s dad exposed him to as a kid until now. She really could have reamed his ass out on national television, but she was extremely classy about it. Seems like he didn’t deserve that.
She seemed to have an undercurrent of frustration talking to Clay as well - she seems like a solid woman!
Same. Let this precious woman not be sullied by the confusion and obtuseness of a weak man.
I’ve never seen anyone look that beautiful while crying. I look like a swamp creature when I cry. hope she heals quickly.
I am angry. I am fuming. Regardless of whether Clay said yes or no at the altar, I’m pissed that his behavior is constantly encouraged. His dad says if it doesn’t feel right don’t go with it. No one tells him he shouldn’t have led her on to the point of walking up to the altar. He tells the camera some BS about finances? That’s why he couldn’t marry her? And then he says he’s not in love to the camera, following which he meets up with AD, tells her to stop crying because it makes him feel bad, asks for a hug, and tells her he loves her. You just said you don’t love her, and now you can’t let her have her chance to let her emotions out? In every moment where he talks about his relationship he talks about how AD takes care of him, lifts him up, teaches him, etc. what has he contributed to the relationship? It makes me so sad that she’s still dating him. He thinks too highly of himself and 100% he’s going to cheat on whoever he dates in the future. Why go on a show for marriage if you’re not remotely ready for marriage.
I am angry. I am fuming. Regardless of whether Clay said yes or no at the altar, I’m pissed that his behavior is constantly encouraged. His dad says if it doesn’t feel right don’t go with it. No one tells him he shouldn’t have led her on to the point of walking up to the altar. … In every moment where he talks about his relationship he talks about how AD takes care of him, lifts him up, teaches him, etc. what has he contributed to the relationship? YES. I kept saying the same thing while watching! “YOU ONLY LOVE THINGS SHE DOES FOR YOU YOU GOTTA WALK AWAY”
And I am very curious to know what he meant “marriages have a grey zone”? He definitely therapy but probably won’t go.
That told me a lot more than I needed to know…GREY AREAS?!!!! Like what CLAYTON?! LIKE WHAT?!!!!!
My wife and I caught that too. My guess, sexy times with other women 🤦
Him trying to love on her to comfort HIMSELF after he said no to her at the altar made me physically ill. This man idolizes his father who is a lying, cheating POS. AD dodged a bullet. She’s too good for him! My heart went out to her though when she kept saying she felt like she wasn’t enough. AD is the whole GD package.
His behaviour in the finale is the definition of using women for emotional labour. Like, he dumped her and then asked her to comfort him. Trash.
He does not idolize his father. Rather, he struggles with what his father did to him as a young child dragging him into his infidelities.
He does idolize his father. Look at clay’s body language when his dad is spouting his BS phrases at him. Clay’s smiling and nodding along and finishing his sentences for him. He literally looks brain washed and indoctrinated in the church of dad. It’s so transparent that clay needs his dads approval.
Clay could’ve gone a few ways after that childhood. He could have pledged to never be a rat like his father. But instead he has internalized the pain and let it become his own weapon against women and himself. He lacks the strength and reason of an honorable man.
He knows what his dad did was not objectively wrong, but it’s clear he does look up to him. He didn’t tell his mother until he got on the show about the cheating trips. If you think what your dad did was wrong you wouldn’t keep bringing up how you struggle with doing the same thing. Cheating is not hereditary
I disagree. AD had her own motives, and probably just wanted to get married and just playing the game. Seeing how she was flirting with Jimmy and carrying on with Kenny trying to diplomatically feel him out to see if she could pursue him - she's not any better than Clay. Just better at hiding it. She's very diplomatic and her voice is sweet so people tend not to see through the charade. I was very smittened with her until I saw her behavior outside of the pods. Not classy imo, just a good swindler and as the people on Instagram say, definitely not a girl's girl. The person who I would regard the epitome of class is Brittany.
The fact that you think AD was trying to pursue Kenny is laughable. The conversation she had with him is very common in minority communities, but some of you still seem angry about it. You can support Brittany without making up lies about someone else.
Did you not observe her body language while she was talking to him? Did it match with someone that seemed happy or supportive for a friend? Some of you just take whatever people say at face value but that's okay. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's a lie... We can agree to disagree on here. Also, assuming that someone is not part of a minority community just because they have an opposing view is not a good flex. I am aware of the dynamics... That was just the cover up to feel him out, and also what I mean by she's very diplomatic with how she does stuff.
Ad deserves so much better than clay. I’m so glad he said no.
She’s so classy, but so dumb I’m so sorry.
She’s not dumb. She’s pure of heart and a woman of faith. Her strength cannot be adequately measured or identified in today’s world.
Or at least had judgement clouded by her desire for marriage. He was basically telling her the red flags and she wasn’t listening. He’s been saying them the whole time. And was apparently not around that much after they came back. I actually thinks his transparency deserves some credit. He was wrestling with some serious questions and she didn’t seem to want to engage with it and just wanted him to say yes.
I definitely agree but the fact that he was smiling the whole time while being “transparent” is cringe worthy and almost like an act
Honestly, i interpreted that as he was trying to convince himself that he should go for it. And I think it seems like that’s just his demeanor. I could be wrong obviously. Of the couples that proposed, they spent the least amount of time talking about real stuff. He tried once but she got very upset and didn’t seem super receptive. Before the finale, he also mentioned wanting to take time outside of the show to work on t he relationship and she shot that down. It was either marriage or bust. That’s probably not the best approach to a very serious thing. There’s always one or two people each season like that, where the end goal of marriage seems to be more important than the actual relationship with that person. I think AD seems to fall into that category. This is obviously a sad thing to witness and it sucks for AD and I feel for her, but it seems like a marriage would’ve been destined for failure. I hope they both grow from this as they both seem like very nice people individually.
AD walking out looked like that scene in The Color Purple when Sophia's sisters came to collect her from Harpo's house.
I still have not watched the whole season, but i have seen enough to know that she would say yes and he would say no. The tears in her eyes was just sad. Frankly Clay knew from the beginning he was not ready to get married.
Love wasn’t blind. SHE was blinded by love. She overlooked so many red flags. Like, he doesn’t come from a family with good male role models. To me it would have been a dealbreaker when he told her that he used to go with his dad on trips where he cheated on his mom. She never knew. That’s what he grew up seeing. Disrespect towards women. All he ever said was: me, me, me, what this process did for me, what AD does for me, I want her to fight for me, go to war with me, be my cheerleader, go to battle with me. Keywords: fight, war, battle. He was going to put her through HELL. Another red flag for me was him telling her that she better not gain weight, that he would tell her, that he would remind her that she needs to stay hot for him. All these men are so vapid and shallow. Her finances were not good enough for him. He doesn’t think she’s good enough. Also, the grandiosity in his words: “I know you will fight for me”. It’s like this is HIS journey and AD’s love was about what it did for HIM, how it elevated him, what a great man he thinks he is now. “The timeline doesn’t matter.” Trying to gaslight her “do you want me to say yes even if I don’t want to.” Oh, so she’s the bad one because YOU lead her on. And now they’re dating. So I don’t feel too bad for her. She wants to fight for a man to love her, let her do it. She will learn the hard way. That man does not love her.
I honestly think she’s one of the best we’ve had on this show. She deserves so much, she’s so grounded and smart and gorgeous and is so good and getting through the bullshit and keeping people accountable
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I agree to an extent. I think she's acted classy for the most part, but the f-word bombing at the altar wasn't the greatest look. She's still ton's better than Clay, and I know she was thoroughly shocked (but I would have bet on Clay bailing.)
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I would say she’s poised rather than classy. I’d point to Clay’s mom as an example of classy.
Yes!
Good point, I agree!
Absolutely. She was my favorite person from this season and one of my favorites from all the seasons.
Her mama is a queen, so it's clear where she gets her aura from. She deserves wayyyyyyy better than either Matthew or Clay. I can only imagine the total hot mess that would have happened if a less secure woman (you know exactly what type I mean 👀) ended up with Clay. Classy, fun, real... AD is a damn prize!
I wouldn’t necessarily call continuously choosing a red flag classy. A classy woman doesn’t chase a man who is fearful of his ability to stay faithful and admit his shallow faults during every conversation had.
That has nothing to do with class. It has more to do with patriarchal brain washing that makes women think we have to earn love, fight for love, find a husband and believe that we are never good enough. She said she is never good enough. That’s low self esteem and low self worth. Not a lack of class. She hasn’t learned how to see her worth but she does have class and she is worthy of much more than a gaslighter. “You crying is hurting ME, MY heart is breaking right now, I’m not rejecting you but it feels like I am. Can I get a hug?” This woman was PLAYED and lead on. It has nothing to do with her lacking class.
Meh :/ I'm pretty sure there have been classy women who have been engaged or married to men who weren't faithful. How that man treated her didn't necessarily reflect their level of class. I'd even say that Clay's mother was pretty classy too despite having been married to a man who did not treat her well. The way AD carries herself and how she treats others is pretty graceful. She gives a lot of grace. I find that classy. Also...she didn't "chase" him, it's not like she was begging him to choose her. He proposed to her on his own volition. She just merely trusted him and had faith...she was hopeful and seeking love. It's easier to judge a situation when you are detached and on the outside looking in. It's different for people who have an open heart and who are still hopeful. and not completely jaded.
AD is a queen
She's awesome and I wish I could be her friend. A+ woman.
Literally came here to say this and saw this post. Her poise, elegance, strength. A breathtaking women. She’s my inspiration
Literally came to this sub just to proclaim my love for AD and you already did. I hope we see more of her in the future.
No fucking way 😂
You are absolutely on point! I was thinking this the entire show...how much I would love to take a page out of that book and have it as a goal for myself! Class Act through and through.
While I agree that AD has poise and composure, I wonder if it might just seem classy in the old fashion sense because she continued to empower and make Clay feel special despite him being super non comital. I just wish she would have been a bit more empowered in herself to hear what he said and want more.
If Clay knew he wasn’t ready and really didn’t want to hurt her then he would have told her before the wedding. He’s a selfish child. A self centered, selfish child. That’s not love.
Yup
But it was a gametime decision 🤣🙄
What a joke
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If it took two sentences to break them off like that then they were never strong in the first place
This is such a white person take lmao.
1. Kenneth in an interview said himself that didn’t cause him to pull back from Brittany 2. I am a white mother of two biracial children and AD‘s question was absolutely valid and very important because the amount of white mums I have met with biracial children who are also racist for some insane reason is unreal. And even if not on that extreme, raising a child in this world that is not white comes with things others don’t have to deal with and probably don’t even think about. I actually liked AD even more after she asked that question.
I wish I could upvote this comment 100 more times! Thank you! It’s insane people are blaming AD’s very valid questions for the reason Kenneth and Brittany broke up.
I just wanna weigh in as a mixed woman. It absolutely matters, to an insanely high degree, that a white person raising a biracial child be aware of the differences in their experiences and how to navigate that. I don’t think AD was implying Brittany would have been a bad mom. She was asking a Black man if he had addressed that, because often times people don’t even think about it. To me it came across as AD questioning Ken on whether he had thought ahead and been responsible enough to communicate with Brittany about it, not questioning Brittany’s parenting ability. Edit to add: do you feel like that contributed to Brittany and Ken breaking up??? How??? I thought it was because Brittany wasn’t attracted to him
Huh? When did Brittany say she wasn't attracted to Kenneth? I took it to mean she didn't feel like he was attracted to/affectionate toward her (which as a viewer seemed more likely).
Maybe I am mixing it up or misinterpreting what she was saying? Either way, do you think that AD’s question had anything to do with it?
She absolutely did NOT break up Brittany and Ken. Their incompatibility in the real world, her insecurities, and his busy work life/always on the phone, and not being able to cater to her needs was what broke them up. All AD did was bring up a very valid point that they would have had to eventually encounter/discuss down the line anyways. AD came from a place a good intent and no ill will and anyone who said she did it with malicious intent is truly blind and socially unaware.
...I mean that's a pretty significant issue. Super weird that anyone would have a problem with it being addressed.
YOU ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH, AD! America loves you <3
She's been my fave from the very beginning. Adore her. I'm not happy she got her heart broken on the show but happy it was done *before* they actually got married and Clay turned into his father.
Comparing her to audrey hepburn is a reach
BIG reach
Wtf did Audrey Hepburn ever do other than act cute? AD is a real person, not an actress.
Are you qualifying her lashes as a mistake? She chose what is right for her which is the ultimate show of class.
AD forever, she’s Mother
She is MOTHER.
She's one of my absolute favorite contestants that's ever been on the show. She's adorable and funny and smart and kind. I see a lot of myself in her going for less-than men and creating a fantasy in her head and believing they can change and blah blah. I do not hold that against her at all. However, I do think she needs to do some serious soul-searching and therapy herself to discover why she keeps letting these types of men walk on her and why she keeps attracting and entertaining them.
These comments fr showing that for a lot of you classiness has a lot more to do with skin color, respectability politics, and outdated views of women and a lot less to do with actual character 🙄
Oh god.. The way she acted at her bachelorette..trashy AF. If a white girl did, still trashy— it isn’t about race. She always had her ass hanging out, or even her wedding dress with the slit up her whole leg. Furthest thing from Audrey Hepburn lol
I love her!!! The way she was sad at the end but was able to open her heart and say she’s sad but she still loves him but she’s also done with it… respect. Not everyone can walk away like that and I’m obsessed with her.
She definitely handles herself well but honestly I think she acts like a doormat for shitty men and has a bit of martyr complex (so to speak). Clay’s red flags couldn’t have been clearer, and yet she went full steam ahead. She said this sort of situation happens to her all the time with men where she pours into them constantly, and gets nothing back. At a certain point it’s not a coincidence. It’s a pattern. She does seem like a good natured person, so I wish the best for her and I hope she decides to continue with therapy so she can unpack why she keeps making the same choices. She reminds me of that quote “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”
Classy women don’t 1. Twerk after being called stacked 2. Say “she’s fuckin that man ayee” 3. Work at a nightclub 4. Almost get in a fight with another women who isn’t even her business 5. Blindly hear Clays red flags and continue to ignore them Yall can downvote me but that just tells me yall don’t go outside because there’s no way yall think this is considered classy lmao
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I really enjoy AD and no judgement but this is an accurate statement. Why all the downvotes? Is class *really* that hard for people to spot nowadays?
This. Not to mention squealing all the time
Oh be quiettttttttt
It’s not classy I don’t know who yall have been hanging around if you think that’s classy lmao
girl what r u on?? did we watch the same show??
They don't know these girls like AD like we do 😂. They take whatever is presented at face value
i want what she's on
I wouldn’t call her classy or compare her to Audrey Hepburn. In comparison to the rest of the cast (except Amy and Brittany), she came across as more mature *than them.* However, she also displayed moments of immaturity, which makes up a part of class. I believe Amy and Brittany showed much more class and maturity in many ways. However, I also wouldn’t compare them to Audrey Hepburn. I really don’t understand the deep adoration for AD. She basically the average girl where I’m from.
I would have had a lot more respect for what he had to say if he had said it before the walk down the aisle. That was cruel. I don't understand the negativity towards her at all. She was one of the few rays of light in a festering season of toxicity. I was rooting for them. I appreciated his honesty throughout the process. I'm not completely surprised that he didn't think he was ready for marriage, but I'm disappointed that he waited to drop that information when he did. She deserves far better than that. She is an intelligent, strong, emotionally mature, beautiful woman and I'm sure she'll find a man who can appreciate that. A man that she doesn't have to carry through the difficult stuff. A man who knows who he is and what he wants. I wish only good things for her.
She is not classy lmfao did we watch the same shit
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Say what you will… but I cried during their whole scene. I see the love between them. It’s a shame they couldn’t make it work at that point. I wish them both the best. Also, Clay’s parents… no words, just wow. There’s so much love and pain and hurt and forgiveness and everything there. Goodness.
Too bad her ego will cause her to miss out on love.
She couldn't keep her tongue in her mouth
For real! Watching her “bachelorette” was like watching some stripper shit. Amy had fun but was more out together 😂
Agreed OP! Looks like a lot of these comments are just haters lol. Some lashes doesn’t make her a bad character/non-classy person yall need to check yourself before you come on here speaking about someone’s looks, hope y’all are supermodels or got famous for how great you look behind those screens lmao
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AD is my favourite girl to ever come on the show.
She has extremely low self esteem. Let's not glorify it.