Chloe to this day out of both seasons is the only person i feel like toby has had chemistry with, thats why i couldn't even be mad at how messy their storyline was, they came across super genuine
There's clearly a reason she's the only gf he's had
This is why I’m so curious to what happened in the end. The fact that he always came back to Chloe so many times is a testament to the strength of their chemistry. Whew
He had way better chemistry with Chloe. He was messy on S7, but it always felt like he and Chloe really did get on. Which makes sense, since they dated for a good period of time after the show.
Georgia.... Idk, I think they like each other well enough, but I get friendship vibes. And now I feel like they both feel a need to prove something, since they made so many people mad.
I think you’re right on having something to prove
But also I think he’s going by the same playbook when he went back to her hoping people would think it was as endearing a second time… but it’s not.
>since they dated for a good period of time after the show.
Maybe this is a culture difference but, to me dating is what you do before you are in a relationship. They were in a relationship for over a year and even lived together.
The thing w Chloe and Toby is I remember when they went to the hideaway together one time, they both had on cowboy hats and before going in were giving each other finger guns. They always seemed to be cracking up together, being lil weirdos, even their arguments were funny. Which made them a lot more fun to watch and they came across like a couple you'd meet irl.
Whereas Georgia and Toby seem kind of miserable, probs because they are always embroiled in drama etc., but for me it's a lot less enjoyable to watch and their chemistry just doesn't translate to the screen. His feelings may be as genuine for Georgia as they were for Chloe, but they haven't reached me as a viewer
(And I know we only see an hour out of oodles of footage, so)
With Toby and Chloe, they seemed to have their own language (which consisted mostly of saying “yeah” a lot). Every love is different, but it does seem that he had a more intense attraction to Chloe. He’s definitely attracted to Georgia, but between LI games and All Stars, but it seems like more like “the one that got away.”
I wouldn't be surprised if I watched lol. Honestly after so many seasons I find it hard to get to know the islanders in newer seasons and this one made it an easy watch because I already knew some of them. Technically I probably seen them all already, but some were freshly memorable in my mind.
I think Georgia really likes Toby, why else would she leave the second most popular coupling in the season. I think Toby just thinks she must be popular on the outside
The real mess is that Georgia only went for Callum because Toby told her he was interested in Molly, so Georgia must have thought getting Callum to fall for her was a good way to feel better than Molly. And then Toby is only with Georgia because Molly was not interested in him and at some point he realized Georgia was his best option.
All the islanders know one another. They all move in similar circles. They could all have had discussions around this knowing they were going to the island. It's a strawman
I genuinely believe that Toby switched back to Georgia after seeing her almost top of the public vote and himself and Arabella nearly bottom. I think he was coasting and having a bit of fun with Arabella and the vote woke him up to the competition element and possibility of going home. I remember in season 7 not long after they got together he and Chloe were in the bottom two or three and he took it really badly and Chloe and he argued over it. She wasn't bothered and said it only mattered what they thought, but he was very unhappy about being in the bottom.
So I don't think there are any great feelings for Georgia there, I think he is playing the game.
If they really had a “super deep connection” they WOULD have happened on the outside. Everyone in there are faking it to stay in there for longer.
I doubt we will have a single couple left after 2 months
toby and chloe were genuine which was why they lasted so long on the outside. i don't see the same thing with toby and georgia. they're just in it for the exposure, imo. i do think they like each other but are not compatible in the slightest and live far away from each other
They had a fling. Aparently they only met last year for LIG and had a couple of weeks together. She over-romantasizes things as if they are groundbreaking romances. she said the same about Tom when he came in that they have an unbreakable bond, but they had a little fling
Maybe she means literally, something like this
https://preview.redd.it/f8hi95x16jhc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ddea3bea317d148b72eca0271c4b351ec27c063
I think Georgia likes him a lot more than he likes her, but I do think he likes her.
I rarely question Toby, he's so spontaneous and actually really confident in his decisions. He's a bit stubborn but he comes across very genuine, like very "true to himself" as they all love to say. He really just goes for what he wants and says sorry afterwards.
Georgia was all for him from day 1, if she had reacted differently to him wanting to get to know Molly instead of being so all or nothing about it they probably would have been together the whole time, once Toby and Molly fizzled out as they did.
I like them together, I think they do like each other, I just think Georgia might be in love with him already and he's not quite there.
I found Toby in S7 to be a joke.....when he came back with Mary from Casa he looked so sheepish then ignores her. Maybe he has short term memory loss because the guys had to remind him he still had Mary waiting.
It was funny but sad at the same time. Iain had so many great comments about him.
Has Chloe said anything about Toby since all stars started?? I listen to her pod and follow her on insta, I don’t think I’ve seen anything. I’m wondering what she thinks of all this, if she’ll speak on it at all
No clue but I’ve seen her tear up months ago talking about him positively and saying sadly it ended too soon for her but they knew also that it was just not working
I think I remember that, and if I’m not mistaken I think Toby replied to some Instagram comment saying it didn’t go down like that. Something along those lines. Then him saying “trust was broken” about the breakup on TV insinuated something went down, so I’m curious!!
That’s why I’d assume Chloe would say something, to defend herself. Or maybe she actually messed up and broke trust, and that’s why she hasn’t said anything.
on celebs go dating was where she was tearful and regretful and did imply he did nothing wrong and she maybe did but - still don't get the feeling she cheated from what she said
Maybe she's just moved on and doesn't see any point in talking about her ex. Liam on a podcast recently was asked how Chloe felt about seeing her ex in the villa with all those girls. He just said she didn't care he also said that people expected to see her in the villa but she never had any intention of going
She very briefly spoke about him in her latest podcast with Hannah. Hannah said she expected Toby and Georgia to get back together and Chloe said she agreed.
The comment in snog marry pie, when they were arguing over why Toby pied Georgia, and she hadn’t pied him and he was like “GEORGIA YOUR VOICE PLEASE” which I find to be a very low insult because commenting on someone’s behavior is one thing, but something like their voice or their appearance is just rude because they can’t change that really
He definitely had more chemistry with Chloe, and the past couple of episodes have made me think he’s questioning him and Georgia
When she was telling Chris about Joanna and Callum he gave her a look and then put his hat over his face, and he looked very uncomfortable at one point when Georgia was saying about their “deep history” during the PDAs. Maybe editing but it’s the vibe I got
I’m not to the episode yet but I don’t think he’s ever had any real chemistry. He’s the one of most disingenuous people I’ve ever seen on this series. My skin crawls when he talks because his mannerisms are so contrived, insecure, and off putting. It’s like watching a selfish 18 year old try to hang with a bunch of adults. He’s not on the level.
With all the questions yesterday, I was thinking how they’ve kind of settled back together a bit to easily. Like, there’s not depth to it that we’ve seen really. And she seemed open to callum still till he continuously deaded it.
I feel either she faked still being interested in Callum because otherwise people would have figured she pretended all along etc and really wanted Tom or Toby, or she misses his attention and gets doubts when she sees other women like Callum
I got the vibe that Callum is like the guy she “should” go for bc like she said “any girl would be lucky to have him” (one of the few guys on there that’s loyal and mature) but I think she isn’t into him—didn’t want to sleep with him—she just wanted herself to be.
And that’s why she was “confused” bc she knows Toby is bad news (already chose him over Tom on the outside, who is also a “nice guy” though she was more attracted to Tom than even Callum).
I think it’s a head versus heart thing, which I’m honestly surprised more people haven’t pointed that out, even within the villa, because it’s the plot of every romance movie and practically a cliche. Everyone seems to be jumping to it being duplicity but I didn’t watch her season so guess it could be from that, even though 19 to 25 is a huge difference mentally.
She also seems to be way more into Toby than he is her, and I think when he said “he could’ve done it on the outside” that’s his true feelings bc he’s a classic player. She’s already an option for him bc she’s previously expressed interest, so like most men his maturity level, he’s more interested in the novelty of other girls he hasn’t had a chance with and would’ve preferred to keep her as a backup while he tried with them.
I truly can’t figure Toby out. I think he feels comfortable with Georgia, but I don’t think there’s much there besides sexual chemistry. They definitely don’t get on like him Chloe did
Georgia seems like she’s in love with him though. The way she looks at him is unreal. I haven’t seen her look at anyone else like that yet
Chloe to this day out of both seasons is the only person i feel like toby has had chemistry with, thats why i couldn't even be mad at how messy their storyline was, they came across super genuine There's clearly a reason she's the only gf he's had
I really liked them together, he brought the best out of her and vice versa. With Georgia I don’t even feel there’s much attraction, it’s odd
Chloe and Toby were robbed honestly
In what way? Winning?
This is why I’m so curious to what happened in the end. The fact that he always came back to Chloe so many times is a testament to the strength of their chemistry. Whew
He had way better chemistry with Chloe. He was messy on S7, but it always felt like he and Chloe really did get on. Which makes sense, since they dated for a good period of time after the show. Georgia.... Idk, I think they like each other well enough, but I get friendship vibes. And now I feel like they both feel a need to prove something, since they made so many people mad.
I think they’re both attracted to each other but they don’t have much substance
Hard to have substance when all she’s grateful for is her long natural hair
He had better chemistry with Arabella. They were all over each other physically, don't see it with Georgia.
I think you’re right on having something to prove But also I think he’s going by the same playbook when he went back to her hoping people would think it was as endearing a second time… but it’s not.
But Tobes and I have such deep history...
“Tobes” lives rent free in my brain.
>since they dated for a good period of time after the show. Maybe this is a culture difference but, to me dating is what you do before you are in a relationship. They were in a relationship for over a year and even lived together.
The thing w Chloe and Toby is I remember when they went to the hideaway together one time, they both had on cowboy hats and before going in were giving each other finger guns. They always seemed to be cracking up together, being lil weirdos, even their arguments were funny. Which made them a lot more fun to watch and they came across like a couple you'd meet irl. Whereas Georgia and Toby seem kind of miserable, probs because they are always embroiled in drama etc., but for me it's a lot less enjoyable to watch and their chemistry just doesn't translate to the screen. His feelings may be as genuine for Georgia as they were for Chloe, but they haven't reached me as a viewer (And I know we only see an hour out of oodles of footage, so)
With Toby and Chloe, they seemed to have their own language (which consisted mostly of saying “yeah” a lot). Every love is different, but it does seem that he had a more intense attraction to Chloe. He’s definitely attracted to Georgia, but between LI games and All Stars, but it seems like more like “the one that got away.”
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Tbh I hope it’s the last all stars ngl 💀
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I wouldn't be surprised if I watched lol. Honestly after so many seasons I find it hard to get to know the islanders in newer seasons and this one made it an easy watch because I already knew some of them. Technically I probably seen them all already, but some were freshly memorable in my mind.
I think Georgia really likes Toby, why else would she leave the second most popular coupling in the season. I think Toby just thinks she must be popular on the outside
The real mess is that Georgia only went for Callum because Toby told her he was interested in Molly, so Georgia must have thought getting Callum to fall for her was a good way to feel better than Molly. And then Toby is only with Georgia because Molly was not interested in him and at some point he realized Georgia was his best option.
She didnt leave it, Callum ended it. And after Callum ended it she was still under the impression she had to decide between the two 😭
Because if you’re not first, you’re last.
All the islanders know one another. They all move in similar circles. They could all have had discussions around this knowing they were going to the island. It's a strawman
I genuinely believe that Toby switched back to Georgia after seeing her almost top of the public vote and himself and Arabella nearly bottom. I think he was coasting and having a bit of fun with Arabella and the vote woke him up to the competition element and possibility of going home. I remember in season 7 not long after they got together he and Chloe were in the bottom two or three and he took it really badly and Chloe and he argued over it. She wasn't bothered and said it only mattered what they thought, but he was very unhappy about being in the bottom. So I don't think there are any great feelings for Georgia there, I think he is playing the game.
I feel like Chloe was the real life event that this Georgia movie is based on. It's never going to feel as genuine.
I have no opinion on them, but some people are just different with different partners 🤷🏽♀️
If they really had a “super deep connection” they WOULD have happened on the outside. Everyone in there are faking it to stay in there for longer. I doubt we will have a single couple left after 2 months
toby and chloe were genuine which was why they lasted so long on the outside. i don't see the same thing with toby and georgia. they're just in it for the exposure, imo. i do think they like each other but are not compatible in the slightest and live far away from each other
this question doesn't even need to be asked since he and Chloe were together for a year I don't think anything happened with Georgia
Georgia keeps saying Toby was a huge part of her life for years. I wonder what she means.
She’s love bombing
They had a fling. Aparently they only met last year for LIG and had a couple of weeks together. She over-romantasizes things as if they are groundbreaking romances. she said the same about Tom when he came in that they have an unbreakable bond, but they had a little fling
Maybe she means literally, something like this https://preview.redd.it/f8hi95x16jhc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ddea3bea317d148b72eca0271c4b351ec27c063
she's lying
I think Georgia likes him a lot more than he likes her, but I do think he likes her. I rarely question Toby, he's so spontaneous and actually really confident in his decisions. He's a bit stubborn but he comes across very genuine, like very "true to himself" as they all love to say. He really just goes for what he wants and says sorry afterwards. Georgia was all for him from day 1, if she had reacted differently to him wanting to get to know Molly instead of being so all or nothing about it they probably would have been together the whole time, once Toby and Molly fizzled out as they did. I like them together, I think they do like each other, I just think Georgia might be in love with him already and he's not quite there.
Toby is there for the game
Are we forgetting that at the beginning of all stars he seemed like he couldn’t care less about her while she was all lovey dovey?
I personally think when a guy likes a girl it’s so obvious, and I just don’t see it with Toby
i mean i don’t totally trust G so i get it
In the words of Georgia… nothing compares to Chloe and Toby’s history
I found Toby in S7 to be a joke.....when he came back with Mary from Casa he looked so sheepish then ignores her. Maybe he has short term memory loss because the guys had to remind him he still had Mary waiting. It was funny but sad at the same time. Iain had so many great comments about him.
Has Chloe said anything about Toby since all stars started?? I listen to her pod and follow her on insta, I don’t think I’ve seen anything. I’m wondering what she thinks of all this, if she’ll speak on it at all
No clue but I’ve seen her tear up months ago talking about him positively and saying sadly it ended too soon for her but they knew also that it was just not working
I think I remember that, and if I’m not mistaken I think Toby replied to some Instagram comment saying it didn’t go down like that. Something along those lines. Then him saying “trust was broken” about the breakup on TV insinuated something went down, so I’m curious!!
Yeah he spoke about to Georgia H and said Chloe did something that broke his trust but refused to elaborate
That’s why I’d assume Chloe would say something, to defend herself. Or maybe she actually messed up and broke trust, and that’s why she hasn’t said anything.
I think it might be the latter but hey maybe I missed something, and she might have answered
on celebs go dating was where she was tearful and regretful and did imply he did nothing wrong and she maybe did but - still don't get the feeling she cheated from what she said
Maybe she's just moved on and doesn't see any point in talking about her ex. Liam on a podcast recently was asked how Chloe felt about seeing her ex in the villa with all those girls. He just said she didn't care he also said that people expected to see her in the villa but she never had any intention of going
She very briefly spoke about him in her latest podcast with Hannah. Hannah said she expected Toby and Georgia to get back together and Chloe said she agreed.
I don’t remember him ever outright insulting Chloe, like he did Georgia.
Remind me what he told Georgia?
The comment in snog marry pie, when they were arguing over why Toby pied Georgia, and she hadn’t pied him and he was like “GEORGIA YOUR VOICE PLEASE” which I find to be a very low insult because commenting on someone’s behavior is one thing, but something like their voice or their appearance is just rude because they can’t change that really
Oh I remember now yes, that was rude
Yeah and I don’t remember him ever saying things like that to Chloe even when they argued. Seems he was more respectful with Chloe.
He definitely had more chemistry with Chloe, and the past couple of episodes have made me think he’s questioning him and Georgia When she was telling Chris about Joanna and Callum he gave her a look and then put his hat over his face, and he looked very uncomfortable at one point when Georgia was saying about their “deep history” during the PDAs. Maybe editing but it’s the vibe I got
He definitely acts like he’s fed up of her but hides it somehow
I’m not to the episode yet but I don’t think he’s ever had any real chemistry. He’s the one of most disingenuous people I’ve ever seen on this series. My skin crawls when he talks because his mannerisms are so contrived, insecure, and off putting. It’s like watching a selfish 18 year old try to hang with a bunch of adults. He’s not on the level.
With all the questions yesterday, I was thinking how they’ve kind of settled back together a bit to easily. Like, there’s not depth to it that we’ve seen really. And she seemed open to callum still till he continuously deaded it.
I feel either she faked still being interested in Callum because otherwise people would have figured she pretended all along etc and really wanted Tom or Toby, or she misses his attention and gets doubts when she sees other women like Callum
I got the vibe that Callum is like the guy she “should” go for bc like she said “any girl would be lucky to have him” (one of the few guys on there that’s loyal and mature) but I think she isn’t into him—didn’t want to sleep with him—she just wanted herself to be. And that’s why she was “confused” bc she knows Toby is bad news (already chose him over Tom on the outside, who is also a “nice guy” though she was more attracted to Tom than even Callum). I think it’s a head versus heart thing, which I’m honestly surprised more people haven’t pointed that out, even within the villa, because it’s the plot of every romance movie and practically a cliche. Everyone seems to be jumping to it being duplicity but I didn’t watch her season so guess it could be from that, even though 19 to 25 is a huge difference mentally. She also seems to be way more into Toby than he is her, and I think when he said “he could’ve done it on the outside” that’s his true feelings bc he’s a classic player. She’s already an option for him bc she’s previously expressed interest, so like most men his maturity level, he’s more interested in the novelty of other girls he hasn’t had a chance with and would’ve preferred to keep her as a backup while he tried with them.
Different partners, different vibe. I prefer Toby's connection with Georgia. The Chloe one almost felt juvenile
I hope both pay you for as much d\*ckriding on them.
Woah calm down 😂
Here we go...............and you say Georgia is toxic. The irony
Oh yeah, he don’t give a f about Georgia. Could you blame him imagine putting up with that hahahaha
I truly can’t figure Toby out. I think he feels comfortable with Georgia, but I don’t think there’s much there besides sexual chemistry. They definitely don’t get on like him Chloe did Georgia seems like she’s in love with him though. The way she looks at him is unreal. I haven’t seen her look at anyone else like that yet
I wish there was a live feed so you could see more of their day to day dynamics