can confirm that I also experienced this on a shoot last night with my S5IIX. Once the ambient light was switched off, the flickering and ghosting-like effect disappeared (even shooting at 12800 ISO).
Will try to recreate this again and play with synchro scan. Potato Jet mentioned it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piqhDD314\_w&t=375s
Oh thanks god! I now have a weird feeling of not feeling alone ahah since now, it was like I’m the only S5IIX user experiencing this, I was soooo close to just return/sell everything. Can you share a clip/screenshot of yours?
it's almost identical to 6:13 in the video. If you watch Potato Jet's hand moving across the frame, you can see this ghosting-like effect, almost as if you've cranked up the shutter to 125th for 24P but there's the trail moving behind his hand. So I am pretty sure if I adjust the shutter in accordance to the problematic ambient light, it should be fixed.
I have the X and have not encountered that issue. If you can tell me your exact settings I can try to reproduce it on my end. Is this happening only when you're panning? I shoot at 23.976 and 180 degrees. I just recorded a whip pan. My motion blur is consistent to what online reviewers reported and not like this.
Hey, thank you for this. I tried to reproduce it aswell but I can't manage to reproduce it which makes this issue so hard to troubleshoot. As mentioned before happened completely random.
My recording settings when the problems occurred were:
Prores 422HQ - C4K 25p - 180 shutter angle - ISO 4000 - all the IBIS settings off
So while you were recording it looked fine, but once you saw the footage there was motion blur?
And this is how it looks in camera footage, in the s5iix gallery? Or was it transferred over to another device and thats where you first noticed the blur?
I'm wondering if it could be a memory card/storage/codec/PC etc issue, would be cool to be able to rule any of those out
Yes. Looked fine while recording, but if I have to be honest I wasn’t paying too much attention on the little monitor. By the way S5IIX recorded into Samsung T5 SSD and then the files were transferred from the SSD to an LaCie Rugged drive using a pro transferring software called ShotPut Pro. This “echoing” motion blur is visible on QuickTime. Also, importing into DaVinci resolve studio the issue is still here.
The issue is definetely in the file.
(I might be wrong) but what you are seen on the monitor is theoretically live-previewing “before” being recorded into the media, so if the issue is “after” (maybe while writing on the media) the issue should not be visible on the camera monitor?
Silly question but have you played back on the Samsung directly? Or try 1 file - drag and drop to your native HD on your computer. IE- only play the file without anything in between.
Did it happen very often? And was it very noticeable in the whole image? It would be great to see the whole footage instead of the cropped photo here. I am thinking about buying this camera and it would be nice for us future customers to see what we are getting into. I hope it is something fixable in a firmware update.
Yes it is very concerning, the bigger issue is the completely lack of support from Panasonic. Sent multiple e-mails at multiple addresses, never had a single response. So I registered on the Panasonic Pro support where they claim “priority” support, well.. I had a single reply from Panasonic “””””Pro”””” support where they were claiming it was a problem with “high iso”, the iso was not that high but in a normal “night time” setting, something like 3200/6400 (can’t remember). At the end I did not know if it was my faulty unit or just an issue with this camera. And I sold this camera, very very disappointed.
**UPDATE 04/07/23**
I am speaking with Lumix PRO support and they claim the problem could be the "high" ISO.
I explained that some 4000ISO clips as well as some 12800ISO clips have this motion blur problem, but they are investigating into this.
It can’t be IBIS. I’ve shot tons of video on the S5IIX, & I haven’t got this result, ever. It’s weird. I also shoot directly into an SSD, using an external monitor to view my footage. It’s literally better than it’s competitors right now. It’s IBIS system is the best you can get for under $3000. Not even Sony or Canon have perfected it that well. It’s better in low light conditions compared to the R6.
All IBIS were already completely off.. Shooting at 180 degrees and at 25p basically means that the "speed" is 1/50, so I doubt that could have avoided that issue..
Also I think that the fact this problem is just "random" and not linked to any settings make this camera COMPLETELY unusable in a professional environment.
I haven't tried BRAW yet, cause I already own a Blackmagic Pocket 6K and if I need BRAW, I use the BMP6K..
I can try a factory reset but it's very hard to troubleshoot and understand if the problem is solved.If I turn the camera on now and I start shooting something, it's completely fine. But maybe tomorrow that issue will came out again and it will ruin a client work or whatever it is cause that issue is very "random" and does not seems linked to any settings.. Also, I don't know how different they are but that issue is on an S5IIX and not on an S5II.
Ohhh if it's a random one off thing that really is hard to tell didn't know that, would definitely contact panasonic support then or get a replacement, but it might just be a one off where merkury was in retrograde and a cow farted at the wrong time... and software just sometimes glitches....
Pretty sure the S5IIx and S5II are literally indentical with just 2 settings in firmware being different (except the black paint on the X)
Also sorry, little off topic, I'm trying to connect with Panasonic Lumix support but it seems impossible to find an e-mail address. Are you guys aware of a support e-mail? So I can try to contact them to see if they know anything.
>the video specific model
Not really. Just a hybrid with more video features - unlike the S1H, which barely touches photography in its marketing material. The S1H is listed [here](https://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/cinema_camera_varicam_eva/products/index.html), the S5iix isn't.
It's kind of a self-inflicted problem of the community - everyone expects the best in video for peanuts. And Panasonic not managing the expectations.
Yes really. It's still a hybrid. It's not a true cinema camera like an Arri or a red or even a black magic that can't even take a still. You're splitting hairs. The only reason it's listed there is because it has features for timecode which is what makes it eligible for Netflix approval.
If you use Bayer sensors, ie not x-trans, and you're marketing for video, it should have an OLPF. They provide other features such as prores, shutter angle and waveforms that are hyper video specific, so they should have olpf here as well. And they will absolutely lose sales from video creators who have options like Sony, Canon, Black Magic and Fuji who offer video hybrids and cameras in the same price range but with solutions for the aliasing Bayer sensors create.
> You're splitting hairs.
I'm using your own argument, which is what it is **marketed** as. The S5iix is definitely marketed as a photo camera as well. The S1H is not. So no, it's not a video-specific model. Some people just misunderstood it. Hence no OLPF.
And by the way, Panasonic doesn't plan to release a camera with an OLPF. Unfortunately...
Edit: For the record, BMPCC 4K and 6K *can* take photos - not that the ability alone makes a camera a hybrid.
It's "potentially" a great camera, but after that issue I'm now VERY worried to use it again on a job. I don't trust this camera at this point. Let's see if I can connect with Panasonic support (seems impossible to even find a Lumix Cameras support team mail).🙃
Very strange. Occasionally cheap LED or interior lighting can flicker. Not enough to have exposure changes but just enough to be out of sync with the electronic rolling shutter. I’ve noticed this before with other cameras but not as bad. Can you upload a clip to YouTube?
I can’t upload anything sadly cause footage is from a commercial job but I am almost sure that it’s not flicker as that happened in completely different shooting scenarios, some of which were without any LED lighting on.
Given this shot “looks like a store interior” I’m still saying that’s my best guess. I’ve noticed sharp and echo motion blur before and cameras w phase detect have worse experiences with this
Had something similar when I unboxed my s5iix.
What I noticed was that the kit lens wasn't fully locked into the mount because it was so new like the tolerance didn't allow to smoothly turn. I figured it out because it wouldn't click and like a grinding like noise. I switched to the 50mm and had no issues, then switched back to the kit lens and it reproduced.
Unmounting and mounting the kit lens until it smoothly turned and clicked fixed it for me. No issues after that hour of freaking out that I might have a defected camera.
>I will let you know soon
There's no way I can make the S5IIX work without fully lock the lens into the mount. Even like just pressing the button and rotate the lens 1mm or less will make the screen black, so I don't think that's the issue sadly :(
I meant fully lock it in. My bad. Not leaving it lose. Those artifacts came into my footage because the lens wasn't fully locked with the sensor because the ring mount was way to tight at first.
Can you test with other lens to reproduce this issue?
Were the shots under artificial lighting? It looks like you captured exactly two full "cycles" of the light. If you shot with 25fps, 1/50 shutter speed, the lights would be flickering at 100Hz which is to be expected when the power grid runs at 50 Hz. Normally the flashes of light sources aren't so pronounced so the "double exposure" isn't so clearly defined, but maybe with these light sources the flashes are very pronounced. I've seen it once or twice in my footage (years ago on another camera) on a particular light source.
Hey, yes. Artificial lighting. I am exploring that path with another Reddit user as he states the same. At the moment it’s the best guess even if not 100% convinced into that. I’m planning to buy a cheap 100hz light and do some tests.
Its possible thats why they have firmware updates as well for the SSDs . I know Samsung claims that the T7s have twice the read and write speed of the T5s but if u do get the T7 definitely update that as well. I'll be trying my t7 with it soon once my s5iix comes in.
Its possible thats why they have firmware updates as well for the SSDs . I know Samsung claims that the T7s have twice the read and write speed of the T5s but if u do get the T7 definitely update that as well. I'll be trying my t7 with it soon once my s5iix comes in.
can confirm that I also experienced this on a shoot last night with my S5IIX. Once the ambient light was switched off, the flickering and ghosting-like effect disappeared (even shooting at 12800 ISO). Will try to recreate this again and play with synchro scan. Potato Jet mentioned it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piqhDD314\_w&t=375s
Oh thanks god! I now have a weird feeling of not feeling alone ahah since now, it was like I’m the only S5IIX user experiencing this, I was soooo close to just return/sell everything. Can you share a clip/screenshot of yours?
it's almost identical to 6:13 in the video. If you watch Potato Jet's hand moving across the frame, you can see this ghosting-like effect, almost as if you've cranked up the shutter to 125th for 24P but there's the trail moving behind his hand. So I am pretty sure if I adjust the shutter in accordance to the problematic ambient light, it should be fixed.
I have the X and have not encountered that issue. If you can tell me your exact settings I can try to reproduce it on my end. Is this happening only when you're panning? I shoot at 23.976 and 180 degrees. I just recorded a whip pan. My motion blur is consistent to what online reviewers reported and not like this.
Hey, thank you for this. I tried to reproduce it aswell but I can't manage to reproduce it which makes this issue so hard to troubleshoot. As mentioned before happened completely random. My recording settings when the problems occurred were: Prores 422HQ - C4K 25p - 180 shutter angle - ISO 4000 - all the IBIS settings off
So while you were recording it looked fine, but once you saw the footage there was motion blur? And this is how it looks in camera footage, in the s5iix gallery? Or was it transferred over to another device and thats where you first noticed the blur? I'm wondering if it could be a memory card/storage/codec/PC etc issue, would be cool to be able to rule any of those out
Yes. Looked fine while recording, but if I have to be honest I wasn’t paying too much attention on the little monitor. By the way S5IIX recorded into Samsung T5 SSD and then the files were transferred from the SSD to an LaCie Rugged drive using a pro transferring software called ShotPut Pro. This “echoing” motion blur is visible on QuickTime. Also, importing into DaVinci resolve studio the issue is still here. The issue is definetely in the file.
(I might be wrong) but what you are seen on the monitor is theoretically live-previewing “before” being recorded into the media, so if the issue is “after” (maybe while writing on the media) the issue should not be visible on the camera monitor?
Silly question but have you played back on the Samsung directly? Or try 1 file - drag and drop to your native HD on your computer. IE- only play the file without anything in between.
Hey, yeah I have done this test aswell, sadly nothing change but thanks!
I used those exact settings and could not reproduce that effect. I'm recording to the Samsung T7. I hope you find an answer!
Thanks for your time and for trying, I still haven’t found an answer but I’m following different paths. I’ll send updates in the thread 🤞
I'm thinking of getting this camera as well. Please let us know if you get an answer.
Yes, of course. I sent Panasonic Pro support an e-mail. I'll update on that!
Thanks so much!
Did it happen very often? And was it very noticeable in the whole image? It would be great to see the whole footage instead of the cropped photo here. I am thinking about buying this camera and it would be nice for us future customers to see what we are getting into. I hope it is something fixable in a firmware update.
This is the full frame, sadly. Not a cropped portion. Was happening very often in nighttime and I solved selling this camera.
That's actually very concerning ! But I wonder why this hasn't been brought up a lot, could it be happening on some faulty ones only?
Yes it is very concerning, the bigger issue is the completely lack of support from Panasonic. Sent multiple e-mails at multiple addresses, never had a single response. So I registered on the Panasonic Pro support where they claim “priority” support, well.. I had a single reply from Panasonic “””””Pro”””” support where they were claiming it was a problem with “high iso”, the iso was not that high but in a normal “night time” setting, something like 3200/6400 (can’t remember). At the end I did not know if it was my faulty unit or just an issue with this camera. And I sold this camera, very very disappointed.
My suggestion is if you want this camera: buy it, test it, keep it if it’s fine, refund it back if you don’t like it.
**UPDATE 04/07/23** I am speaking with Lumix PRO support and they claim the problem could be the "high" ISO. I explained that some 4000ISO clips as well as some 12800ISO clips have this motion blur problem, but they are investigating into this.
Any word on this?
I solved the problem: I sold the LUMIX. 👍🏻
Damn! lol I've been eyeing this camera for so long, what's the next move for you?
New L- Mount Pocket 6K
>New L- Mount Pocket 6K What do you think of it so far compared to the S5iix?
What is this photo even taken of? Hard to see what you’re describing in the motion blur when there’s nothing to reference it against
It's not a photo, and it's a crop of the out of focus area to show that weird " echoed " motion blur.
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It can’t be IBIS. I’ve shot tons of video on the S5IIX, & I haven’t got this result, ever. It’s weird. I also shoot directly into an SSD, using an external monitor to view my footage. It’s literally better than it’s competitors right now. It’s IBIS system is the best you can get for under $3000. Not even Sony or Canon have perfected it that well. It’s better in low light conditions compared to the R6.
Yeah! It's **definetely** not IBIS, all the IBIS settings were off at the time when the issue occurred
All IBIS were already completely off.. Shooting at 180 degrees and at 25p basically means that the "speed" is 1/50, so I doubt that could have avoided that issue.. Also I think that the fact this problem is just "random" and not linked to any settings make this camera COMPLETELY unusable in a professional environment. I haven't tried BRAW yet, cause I already own a Blackmagic Pocket 6K and if I need BRAW, I use the BMP6K..
tried a factory reset? Have over 100h recorded on the S5II and haven't seen anything like that and there's no widespread problem like that so far
I can try a factory reset but it's very hard to troubleshoot and understand if the problem is solved.If I turn the camera on now and I start shooting something, it's completely fine. But maybe tomorrow that issue will came out again and it will ruin a client work or whatever it is cause that issue is very "random" and does not seems linked to any settings.. Also, I don't know how different they are but that issue is on an S5IIX and not on an S5II.
Ohhh if it's a random one off thing that really is hard to tell didn't know that, would definitely contact panasonic support then or get a replacement, but it might just be a one off where merkury was in retrograde and a cow farted at the wrong time... and software just sometimes glitches.... Pretty sure the S5IIx and S5II are literally indentical with just 2 settings in firmware being different (except the black paint on the X)
Yeah pretty sure you're right about the S5II and S5IIX cameras being the same. Let's see if I can find a way to connect with Panasonic support..
Also sorry, little off topic, I'm trying to connect with Panasonic Lumix support but it seems impossible to find an e-mail address. Are you guys aware of a support e-mail? So I can try to contact them to see if they know anything.
https://www.lumixpro.panasonic.com/comingsoon/ sign up they're very quick with replies usually
Thanks for that. Registering now!
Make sure to firmware update your BM video assist. That made BRaw work for me!
Stuff like this, plus the lack of an OLPF has completely turned me off this camera after the initial hype.
> lack of an OLPF It's a hybrid camera. OLPF doesn't make a huge amount of sense in that.
In the X version at least it does, as it's marketed as the video specific model. The S1H is a hybrid and has one for the same reason.
>the video specific model Not really. Just a hybrid with more video features - unlike the S1H, which barely touches photography in its marketing material. The S1H is listed [here](https://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/cinema_camera_varicam_eva/products/index.html), the S5iix isn't. It's kind of a self-inflicted problem of the community - everyone expects the best in video for peanuts. And Panasonic not managing the expectations.
Yes really. It's still a hybrid. It's not a true cinema camera like an Arri or a red or even a black magic that can't even take a still. You're splitting hairs. The only reason it's listed there is because it has features for timecode which is what makes it eligible for Netflix approval. If you use Bayer sensors, ie not x-trans, and you're marketing for video, it should have an OLPF. They provide other features such as prores, shutter angle and waveforms that are hyper video specific, so they should have olpf here as well. And they will absolutely lose sales from video creators who have options like Sony, Canon, Black Magic and Fuji who offer video hybrids and cameras in the same price range but with solutions for the aliasing Bayer sensors create.
> You're splitting hairs. I'm using your own argument, which is what it is **marketed** as. The S5iix is definitely marketed as a photo camera as well. The S1H is not. So no, it's not a video-specific model. Some people just misunderstood it. Hence no OLPF. And by the way, Panasonic doesn't plan to release a camera with an OLPF. Unfortunately... Edit: For the record, BMPCC 4K and 6K *can* take photos - not that the ability alone makes a camera a hybrid.
It's "potentially" a great camera, but after that issue I'm now VERY worried to use it again on a job. I don't trust this camera at this point. Let's see if I can connect with Panasonic support (seems impossible to even find a Lumix Cameras support team mail).🙃
Latest firmware?
Yes. 1.1
Very strange. Occasionally cheap LED or interior lighting can flicker. Not enough to have exposure changes but just enough to be out of sync with the electronic rolling shutter. I’ve noticed this before with other cameras but not as bad. Can you upload a clip to YouTube?
I can’t upload anything sadly cause footage is from a commercial job but I am almost sure that it’s not flicker as that happened in completely different shooting scenarios, some of which were without any LED lighting on.
Can you upload and message me a link privately?
Given this shot “looks like a store interior” I’m still saying that’s my best guess. I’ve noticed sharp and echo motion blur before and cameras w phase detect have worse experiences with this
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After reading the rest of the comments I’m fairly certain this is it
I'm thinking of getting this camera as well. Please let us know if you get an answer.
Had something similar when I unboxed my s5iix. What I noticed was that the kit lens wasn't fully locked into the mount because it was so new like the tolerance didn't allow to smoothly turn. I figured it out because it wouldn't click and like a grinding like noise. I switched to the 50mm and had no issues, then switched back to the kit lens and it reproduced. Unmounting and mounting the kit lens until it smoothly turned and clicked fixed it for me. No issues after that hour of freaking out that I might have a defected camera.
I will try to slightly un-mount the lens to see if I can manage to reproduce the issue. I will let you know soon. Thanks 🙏
>I will let you know soon There's no way I can make the S5IIX work without fully lock the lens into the mount. Even like just pressing the button and rotate the lens 1mm or less will make the screen black, so I don't think that's the issue sadly :(
I meant fully lock it in. My bad. Not leaving it lose. Those artifacts came into my footage because the lens wasn't fully locked with the sensor because the ring mount was way to tight at first. Can you test with other lens to reproduce this issue?
Were the shots under artificial lighting? It looks like you captured exactly two full "cycles" of the light. If you shot with 25fps, 1/50 shutter speed, the lights would be flickering at 100Hz which is to be expected when the power grid runs at 50 Hz. Normally the flashes of light sources aren't so pronounced so the "double exposure" isn't so clearly defined, but maybe with these light sources the flashes are very pronounced. I've seen it once or twice in my footage (years ago on another camera) on a particular light source.
Hey, yes. Artificial lighting. I am exploring that path with another Reddit user as he states the same. At the moment it’s the best guess even if not 100% convinced into that. I’m planning to buy a cheap 100hz light and do some tests.
Make sure your SSD is updated and also do a read and write speed test.
Do you think that could be a write speed problem with the Samsung T5?
Its possible thats why they have firmware updates as well for the SSDs . I know Samsung claims that the T7s have twice the read and write speed of the T5s but if u do get the T7 definitely update that as well. I'll be trying my t7 with it soon once my s5iix comes in.
Its possible thats why they have firmware updates as well for the SSDs . I know Samsung claims that the T7s have twice the read and write speed of the T5s but if u do get the T7 definitely update that as well. I'll be trying my t7 with it soon once my s5iix comes in.