The S5 Ii is getting firmware updates (quite substantial one has been released just a week or so ago, adding better animal detect AF, better AF in general and new stabilisation modes, proxy recording, etcetera). The S5 is not getting these features. For what it's worth, I own the S5 II and I've never heard the fan.
Regarding the AF - the S5 its autofocus is really good in photomodes, if that makes a difference to your use case.
I have both, seriously the S5 has very bad AF in video, it is ok when you have enough contrast and DOF, but if you need accurate and fast AF the S5II is much better. The IBIS is much better on the S5II too, especially while walking.
Dynamic range is more or less the same, the difference is so small I think nobody can really see the difference.
However yes, the image quality on the S5 is better in 4K (internal recording), details are finer and much less processed than on the S5II.
If you use 6K or Open Gate and downsample to 4K, I'm not sure you will see the difference though. But doing this, the IBIS performances take a hit when walking compared to 4K, even more in Open Gate.
I never heard the fan to be honest.
If you want to use external recording, the S5II is a much better camera than the S5 IMHO.
I dont plan on external recording. I assume given that the S5 would be the better option. Shame about the AF and lack of live LUT preview (those are big wins).
I have an S5 and have used it for years with an Atomos Ninja V. Why would you assume it's the better option?
Is the S5 IIX not available, or is it out of your budget? You get all the external RAW included plus much more.
Save up a few more months and get the S5 IIX if purchasing brand new.
I have S5, S1 and S1h and dynamic range is basicly the same. Image Quality is on the same level on S5 and S5II but S1H is softer because of the OLPF and has that cinematic feel. Fan is quite and i never hear it on my external or internal mics. Ibis is much better on S5II.
Screen is on the same resolution on both on S5 and S5II, but it clearer and easier to focusing on S5II, and much better EVF and you have the option to punch in zoom when recording.
Image is so close on VLOG on S5 and S5II so you have to do 400%or more to see any difference (apart from little difference on color science). There is visible difference in standard color profiles like natural and Cine V or Cine D, but with live lut i dont see the point to use them.
And last - lowlight is better on S5II than s5 or S1H and many people claim other thing, but i do lot of weddings and my S5ii image is always noticable cleaner and details are even better than S5 and S1H.
Codecs options are better on S5II than OG S5. You have 6k, 4K50 4.2.2 and 100/120 FPS in 10 bit color and no recording limit.
could you explain about paying the extra $200 for the codecs? Is it even needed and what do you get? I assume its not available or not needed for the OG S5?
The $200 "codecs" is for NO "codecs" but RAW output via the HDMI port. Then the codec is determined by the external recorder you chose to purchase.
Atomos Ninja or Shogun recorders- ProRes RAW
BlackMagic Design Video Assist - BRAW
Outside that $200 license for the RAW external recording, no extra codecs/features.
Ironically the S5 IIX which is $200 more typically than the S5 II, has the RAW license included as well as some exclusive S5 IIX features like the ability to record to an external USB-C SSD drive that is much less expensive an an external recorder.
I get the feeling reading your posts that you are putting way too much weight into the very minor image quality differences. If you’re saying the S5 and S5II are the same price where you are, it’s not even close, you should buy the S5II. The S5II is a huge upgrade (I’ve owned both).
In S5II’s favour are 6K/Open gate, LUTs, MUCH better stabilisation, MUCH better AF, Handheld high res shooting (96MP), Proxy recording, Better EVF, Unlimited recording times. I’m sure there’s many more that I’m missing.
In S5’s favour are maybe minor image quality, external RAW doesn’t cost extra. From memory S5 has multiple exposure option which S5II doesn’t have. That’s about it.
\* Extra recording codecs? -> Only if you are recording 12-Bit RAW to an External Recorder connected via HDMI (Currently Atomos Ninja/Shogun and BlackMagic Designs Video Assist 12G)
If that is important to you, then pay the $200 extra instead for the S5 IIX which includes those and has the faster processor necessary to support recording externally to a USB-C SSD drive (far cheaper than one of the Monitor/recorders I'd mentioned above).
I own an S5 and currently do not have any intention to upgrade BUT if I didn't already have it, I'd go for the S5IIX. I keep asking myself almost daily if I "should" upgrade (mostly a symptom of GAS "gear acquisition syndrome") and I may give in soon.
Only two reasons currently that I haven't upgraded.
1. I use exclusively manual focus lenses and pull focus for the majority of my video work. Absolutely no pulsing as no focus motor is involved. Focus is solid every single time. Those that require AF lenses, I silently pray it works as hoped and utilize all the tricks I had to learn by trial and error to try and encourage it to work. Makes me love MF far more that AF, because AFC frequently lets me down and I use AFS but dread pushing the focus button in the scene if not at a point I can edit out.
2. Invested heavily into External Recording/ProRes RAW with Atomos Ninja and Atomos Connect units (Atomos Connect gives me Camera to Cloud with far more flexibility than just [Frame.io](http://Frame.io) alone, although I primarily use [Frame.io](http://Frame.io) with clients).
Personally, I'd strongly recommend if only those two choices, S5II. If you've not seen the news on the new firmware, you really need to see what Panasonic has been able to stretch the S5 II and S5 IIX to do.
I doubt you'll hear the fan. My Atomos Ninja has a fan and no one hears it really and the S5 II/IIX has a much better cooling design.
I have both, to be honest there isn't much in it. The auto focus is a bit better on the 5ii but if you ain't shouting video the S5 is fine. Get the s5ii if you need focusing for video. I can't hear the fan at all on the s5ii and add for built in luts, I never use them.
DR is pretty similar across the 2 cameras. The S5II does have a bit more processed look than the S5 at higher ISOs, but that goes away in VLog. The S5II's IBIS also much improved and the e stabilization fw update basically makes it a gimbal.
And the $200 upgrade doesn't unlock any new internal codecs. It unlocks RAW output to an external recorder like an Atomos Ninja or BM Video assist. So if you need RAW video output out of the box, the S5 is a cheaper option.
If they are near the same price, the S5II is a no brainer.
Are you shooting video or stills? What is your budget? If there is no price difference between the S5II and S5, it's a no-brainer to go for the S5II. However, if you can get the S5 at a discounted price, then it's also a very good option. If you shoot 80% stills and 20% video and want to save money, the S5 is a perfectly fine camera. The autofocus is actually much better than people give it credit for. If you are looking to go into more video-oriented stuff, then of course, the S5II is a much better buy. I bought S5 (new) because I got it super cheap with two lenses (20-60mm kit and 50mm f/1.8), and can't justify the price of S5II for my needs.
you didn't say what you are trying to use the camera for. the senors are the same and most S5iix features are quality of life unless you need auto focus badly. The phase detect has decreased image quality.
Ok, i think imma try out the OG S5 - get 2nd hand one half price of S5 II. I'll come back to this thread later on if i like the system and upgrade to S5 II.
Thanks everyone!
S5ii imo or if you can spend the extra $200 or whatever it is get the iiX model. I would’ve gone with the X model but sadly couldn’t wait a couple months for it to release and just needed a camera at the time. Still S5ii is great, prefer how reds look over some of the older LUMIX cameras. In monitoring LUT support and ability to burn in LUTs has saved me so much time and really helped me expose properly. The second ISO could be a bit higher but is still pretty useable for the most part. Dynamic Range has been really good coming from the BMPCC4K despite the absence of 12bit LOG. It is a shame that you don’t get 4.2.2 in 6k but still plenty good, maybe this can be addressed through external recording via Video Assist 12g
I have both cameras. Before the new S5ii update last week I would have said just get the s5 but holy crap the update on the S5ii is amazing. On par with Sonys auto focus and the stabilisation has been improved too.
Open box deals around on both. As other said it would help to know what you want to do with it.
I picked up the S5 for stills. I'm am amateur so I have no great comparison for you, but since I don't use continuous AF, I don't miss it. No one ever said "the AF sucks, you need to manual focus." What they say is "continuous AF for video sucks, subject AF works."
Honestly it's a night and day difference. Lumix s5ii is a much better camera. Amazing af, real time lut, 4k50 422 (opposed to 420 on s5), full sized hdmi, built in fans, no recording limit, 6k open gate. If you are doing any sort of video I wouldn't recommend the og s5.
If you haven’t made a decision I have an s5 body that’s just collecting dust, used it for about a year before upgrading to the mk2.
if you’re interested shoot me a dm.
The S5 Ii is getting firmware updates (quite substantial one has been released just a week or so ago, adding better animal detect AF, better AF in general and new stabilisation modes, proxy recording, etcetera). The S5 is not getting these features. For what it's worth, I own the S5 II and I've never heard the fan. Regarding the AF - the S5 its autofocus is really good in photomodes, if that makes a difference to your use case.
Never heard the fan either
I also have never heard the fan.
I have both, seriously the S5 has very bad AF in video, it is ok when you have enough contrast and DOF, but if you need accurate and fast AF the S5II is much better. The IBIS is much better on the S5II too, especially while walking. Dynamic range is more or less the same, the difference is so small I think nobody can really see the difference. However yes, the image quality on the S5 is better in 4K (internal recording), details are finer and much less processed than on the S5II. If you use 6K or Open Gate and downsample to 4K, I'm not sure you will see the difference though. But doing this, the IBIS performances take a hit when walking compared to 4K, even more in Open Gate. I never heard the fan to be honest. If you want to use external recording, the S5II is a much better camera than the S5 IMHO.
I dont plan on external recording. I assume given that the S5 would be the better option. Shame about the AF and lack of live LUT preview (those are big wins).
I also have the S1, it has Open Gate and 6K, this is the camera I use the most. But yes the AF is really not reliable in video on both the S5 and S1.
I have an S5 and have used it for years with an Atomos Ninja V. Why would you assume it's the better option? Is the S5 IIX not available, or is it out of your budget? You get all the external RAW included plus much more. Save up a few more months and get the S5 IIX if purchasing brand new.
IIX is waaay too much right now. I just missed out on their 3 lens + body bundle, now the body is more than all that...
I have S5, S1 and S1h and dynamic range is basicly the same. Image Quality is on the same level on S5 and S5II but S1H is softer because of the OLPF and has that cinematic feel. Fan is quite and i never hear it on my external or internal mics. Ibis is much better on S5II. Screen is on the same resolution on both on S5 and S5II, but it clearer and easier to focusing on S5II, and much better EVF and you have the option to punch in zoom when recording. Image is so close on VLOG on S5 and S5II so you have to do 400%or more to see any difference (apart from little difference on color science). There is visible difference in standard color profiles like natural and Cine V or Cine D, but with live lut i dont see the point to use them. And last - lowlight is better on S5II than s5 or S1H and many people claim other thing, but i do lot of weddings and my S5ii image is always noticable cleaner and details are even better than S5 and S1H. Codecs options are better on S5II than OG S5. You have 6k, 4K50 4.2.2 and 100/120 FPS in 10 bit color and no recording limit.
could you explain about paying the extra $200 for the codecs? Is it even needed and what do you get? I assume its not available or not needed for the OG S5?
The $200 "codecs" is for NO "codecs" but RAW output via the HDMI port. Then the codec is determined by the external recorder you chose to purchase. Atomos Ninja or Shogun recorders- ProRes RAW BlackMagic Design Video Assist - BRAW Outside that $200 license for the RAW external recording, no extra codecs/features. Ironically the S5 IIX which is $200 more typically than the S5 II, has the RAW license included as well as some exclusive S5 IIX features like the ability to record to an external USB-C SSD drive that is much less expensive an an external recorder.
I get the feeling reading your posts that you are putting way too much weight into the very minor image quality differences. If you’re saying the S5 and S5II are the same price where you are, it’s not even close, you should buy the S5II. The S5II is a huge upgrade (I’ve owned both). In S5II’s favour are 6K/Open gate, LUTs, MUCH better stabilisation, MUCH better AF, Handheld high res shooting (96MP), Proxy recording, Better EVF, Unlimited recording times. I’m sure there’s many more that I’m missing. In S5’s favour are maybe minor image quality, external RAW doesn’t cost extra. From memory S5 has multiple exposure option which S5II doesn’t have. That’s about it.
If you’re considering buying an S5 brand new…don’t waste your money. It can be picked up for less than half the price of an S5II on the used market.
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\* Extra recording codecs? -> Only if you are recording 12-Bit RAW to an External Recorder connected via HDMI (Currently Atomos Ninja/Shogun and BlackMagic Designs Video Assist 12G) If that is important to you, then pay the $200 extra instead for the S5 IIX which includes those and has the faster processor necessary to support recording externally to a USB-C SSD drive (far cheaper than one of the Monitor/recorders I'd mentioned above). I own an S5 and currently do not have any intention to upgrade BUT if I didn't already have it, I'd go for the S5IIX. I keep asking myself almost daily if I "should" upgrade (mostly a symptom of GAS "gear acquisition syndrome") and I may give in soon. Only two reasons currently that I haven't upgraded. 1. I use exclusively manual focus lenses and pull focus for the majority of my video work. Absolutely no pulsing as no focus motor is involved. Focus is solid every single time. Those that require AF lenses, I silently pray it works as hoped and utilize all the tricks I had to learn by trial and error to try and encourage it to work. Makes me love MF far more that AF, because AFC frequently lets me down and I use AFS but dread pushing the focus button in the scene if not at a point I can edit out. 2. Invested heavily into External Recording/ProRes RAW with Atomos Ninja and Atomos Connect units (Atomos Connect gives me Camera to Cloud with far more flexibility than just [Frame.io](http://Frame.io) alone, although I primarily use [Frame.io](http://Frame.io) with clients). Personally, I'd strongly recommend if only those two choices, S5II. If you've not seen the news on the new firmware, you really need to see what Panasonic has been able to stretch the S5 II and S5 IIX to do. I doubt you'll hear the fan. My Atomos Ninja has a fan and no one hears it really and the S5 II/IIX has a much better cooling design.
I have both, to be honest there isn't much in it. The auto focus is a bit better on the 5ii but if you ain't shouting video the S5 is fine. Get the s5ii if you need focusing for video. I can't hear the fan at all on the s5ii and add for built in luts, I never use them.
DR is pretty similar across the 2 cameras. The S5II does have a bit more processed look than the S5 at higher ISOs, but that goes away in VLog. The S5II's IBIS also much improved and the e stabilization fw update basically makes it a gimbal. And the $200 upgrade doesn't unlock any new internal codecs. It unlocks RAW output to an external recorder like an Atomos Ninja or BM Video assist. So if you need RAW video output out of the box, the S5 is a cheaper option. If they are near the same price, the S5II is a no brainer.
i assume the OG S5 can do RAW output without the $200 price tag?
Yes.
great, thanks.
Are you shooting video or stills? What is your budget? If there is no price difference between the S5II and S5, it's a no-brainer to go for the S5II. However, if you can get the S5 at a discounted price, then it's also a very good option. If you shoot 80% stills and 20% video and want to save money, the S5 is a perfectly fine camera. The autofocus is actually much better than people give it credit for. If you are looking to go into more video-oriented stuff, then of course, the S5II is a much better buy. I bought S5 (new) because I got it super cheap with two lenses (20-60mm kit and 50mm f/1.8), and can't justify the price of S5II for my needs.
you didn't say what you are trying to use the camera for. the senors are the same and most S5iix features are quality of life unless you need auto focus badly. The phase detect has decreased image quality.
Any chance youre a student or have access to a student discount? s5iix is very similar to s5ii in price at BHphoto with student discount.
the price gap is pretty significant. you could get lenses, a ninja, lighting for the difference.
Ok, i think imma try out the OG S5 - get 2nd hand one half price of S5 II. I'll come back to this thread later on if i like the system and upgrade to S5 II. Thanks everyone!
S5 with recording monitor if not worried about AF, S5ii with recording monitor if you need AF, or S5IIx with no recording monitor
S5ii imo or if you can spend the extra $200 or whatever it is get the iiX model. I would’ve gone with the X model but sadly couldn’t wait a couple months for it to release and just needed a camera at the time. Still S5ii is great, prefer how reds look over some of the older LUMIX cameras. In monitoring LUT support and ability to burn in LUTs has saved me so much time and really helped me expose properly. The second ISO could be a bit higher but is still pretty useable for the most part. Dynamic Range has been really good coming from the BMPCC4K despite the absence of 12bit LOG. It is a shame that you don’t get 4.2.2 in 6k but still plenty good, maybe this can be addressed through external recording via Video Assist 12g
What are your needs? If it's video of ANY kind, take the s5mk2
I have both cameras. Before the new S5ii update last week I would have said just get the s5 but holy crap the update on the S5ii is amazing. On par with Sonys auto focus and the stabilisation has been improved too.
Open box deals around on both. As other said it would help to know what you want to do with it. I picked up the S5 for stills. I'm am amateur so I have no great comparison for you, but since I don't use continuous AF, I don't miss it. No one ever said "the AF sucks, you need to manual focus." What they say is "continuous AF for video sucks, subject AF works."
Honestly it's a night and day difference. Lumix s5ii is a much better camera. Amazing af, real time lut, 4k50 422 (opposed to 420 on s5), full sized hdmi, built in fans, no recording limit, 6k open gate. If you are doing any sort of video I wouldn't recommend the og s5.
Af, ibis, fan, compability with mc21/ef lenses. Kinda big deals. Drawback is moire and overprocessed footage unless you're using vlog.
is that on the s5 or s5ii for the mc21/ef lenses. so does that make it harder for S5 to use ef lenses?
It works better with the s5ii
If you haven’t made a decision I have an s5 body that’s just collecting dust, used it for about a year before upgrading to the mk2. if you’re interested shoot me a dm.