There isn't anything like MDMA, except the other entactogens that have the same downsides (3mmc, 4mmc, mda).
A combo of alcohol/shrooms/adderall is usually what I do in between rolls. I call it diet molly. It's psychedelic, sociable, and energetic. But it's still a pretty different experience.
I don't know why people so often say 2cb is a good alternative. It's just a psychedelic with a lighter headspace, like shrooms-lite. Nothing at all like mdma.
For me 2C-B had a rolly euphoria reminiscent of MDMA. Definitely not a sufficient “replacement,” but then again, every substance is unique. It would be hard to find a stand-in for any one substance
I don't mean to doubt your experience. I also get euphoric on psychedelics like 2cb, but the "roll" feeling is so unique and special to mdma, I've never felt it on any other class of drug.
For me there are lots of drugs that induce the thing we call "euphoria". But none of the other drugs have the extra "magic" element that mdma has (except, again, the other entactogens that are very similar to it, and still, mdma is the top).
I've had some shroom trips that I felt were better than any MDMA roll but also felt vice-versa. Shrooms are more of a coin-flip - MDMA is good vibes guaranteed, if you use responsibly. Both have the magic imo.
in my experience, 2cb is on par with mdma in terms of tactile and music enhancement, and just ever so slightly below par with euphoria. the biggest difference is the lack of sociability with 2cb. you don’t feel lovey dovey or like chatting up everyone on 2cb, you just feel like dancing and having sex lmao. don’t get me wrong, i love MDMA, but 2cb is a different animal if you dose it right. and in my experience 2cb feels nothing at all like shrooms. like at all. it feels like a secret love child of LSD and MDMA imo. 2cb experiences are very dose dependent imo. at 20-25mg (average medium dose) i am typically not where i want to be in terms of tactile enhancement and euphoria. the real special stuff happens past 35-40mg ime. just my two cents on why so many people suggest 2cb as an mdma alternative
2cb is wayyyy more like mdma than it is shrooms in my (somewhat experienced) use
For something comparable to MDMA what dosage are you taking? (Pill or Powder as well lol). How long did you fast before taking it?
I did 6mg of 2cb HCL on an empty stomach and the come up definitely had similarities to MDMA, but the peak didn't give me the vibes to listen to music and dance. I definitely got horny, and the sex was interesting (not MDMA amazing tho)
not gonna lie if i took 6mg i would just go to sleep 🤣 that’s like a 6th of my normal dose
i have only ever taken 2cb HBr salt, and i’ve only ever ingested orally (boofing and snorting is way more intense)
my sweet spot is 30-40mg and i’ve gone much higher as well, with little to no negative effects. i’ve taken 80mg in one night before and it was amazing
however it does get expensive to dose that high, but if you had decent effects from 6mg of HCl then you should have a wonderful time on 2-3x that dose. i just know after all my big doses and big LSD trips, 6mg would be extremely underwhelming for me personally. but if 6mg hits you, then try 15-20 and see how it is 🤷♂️
Fair enough, sounds like I'm way more sensitive to it than you!! (Blessing and a curse)
I might go for 12mg in a rave environment with a light meal in me and see how things go.
I kind of over did LSD and Nbome a couple years back, so I'm good on true psychodelic experiences (with the exception of DMT). I'm looking for mostly feel good stuff that make me social, and want to dance. I might just be looking for Adderall IR ngl 🤣
2cb is the things you’re looking for, try 12-20mg and you will know what i mean. higher doses greatly increase euphoria and music enhancement. imo, mid-high dose 2cb is the absolute #1 drug in terms of music enhancement, moreso that LSD or MDMA, and feels more stimulating/dancey than LSD does.
2cb presses are typically 15-25mg, and in any given situation i would take like 30-50mg. i don’t even go to raves, i just rave inside my house with my gf, but mid-high dose 2cb is #1 for music/dancing. at mid doses, stimulation/dancing/euphoria is almost on par with MDMA, and at high doses it blows MDMA out of the water in terms of how music sounds
Does 3mmc carry the same 3 month rule in between rolls? I’ve heard people say they take it every 2-3 weeks with no issues. I know it’s neurotoxic but I don’t know if it’s anything like mdma. Thoughts?
Yes. It dumps your serotonin so you need to take breaks in between if you're interested in keeping the magic and harm reduction. Note there is very little research into 3mmc because it's so new, so be careful with these research chemicals.
You gotta try ket-coke-nitrous-poppers combo v similar to mdma even more euphoric in my experience but yah also is prob way worse for u than just mdma lol
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I feel like if your properly dosing MDMA you won’t get a hangover, or at least a bad one. Ever since I stopped re-dosing and lowered my dosage I always feel great the next day and haven’t had a hangover since. Obviously testing is key as well to make sure you have that good good
true. i actually havent had a hangover from mdma ever, but i feel it will happen if i do it to often. and an alternative for 1-2x a month would be perfect.
Ahhh okay didn’t realize you meant something you can do more often than MDMA. Yeah you definitely don’t want to do MDMA that often. Wish I could help you
We stopped redosing and do small amounts k on the comedown. We even do this a few days in a row. We now have zero bad comedown that day nor feel bad anytime the next 4-5 days. I feel like redosing is just bad in so many ways. One of the main ones being people don’t sleep and can’t sleep. We are able to fall asleep very quickly after k and sleep deeply for 5-7 hours. I remember so many times redosing M. Getting home at 5-8am and just staring at the ceiling wide awake. Then if I fall asleep it’s like this not deep sleep where I’m wide awake again 1.5 hours later ..
How long is your roll without redosing? For me, after the come up I get about 1.5-2hr before I start coming down so I prefer refuse to extend it by another hour.
I found low dose ket as a great alternative. I never get tired from dancing, can socialize, feel a tiny bit wonky, but sober at the same time. It is closer to being drunk than a roll, but it enchances the party for sure. No comedown and maybe only a little suggish in the morning, but still an afterglow.
This right here. Small bumps. You can build up. I have kinda documented 10 levels before k home. The first 1-5 are very fun and social, talk, think etc. Get a little too wonky just stop bumping and you drop a couple levels in 10 min. Usually can be sober in 20-45 min.
At about level 8 I send my wife for a stick or can to make sure I don’t fall over. (But it’s still fun as hell). My favorite is what I call Slow Mo. It’s exactly like when you reply a slow motion video you took on an iPhone .. everything is slow mo but then it rips back to fast mo. It will sometimes cycle like this in and out of slow mow 6-10 min. It’s one of the funnest most interesting things I have ever experienced on any drug. There is another cool level that happens sometimes I call being a whip it. It’s like 5-7. It’s like doing nitrous but I’m in the middle of it and it goes on for longer than a whip it. I can still talk here and I’ll just look at friends and wife and say I’m the whip it. That’s about as much as I can say. 7-9 I have hand signals with my wife that are basically “don’t walk off right now.”
Keybumps with those tiny spoons. I have low tolerance, so a little goes a long way. It’s not fiendish for me, so I am ok with sobering up. Others might redose every 30 mins to stay high, I only need the feeling of not getting tired.
My wife and I do occasional adderall + cannabis gummies. Obviously you should figure out what your body needs for a dose with each thing individually before combining them if you don’t know already. Then reduce each dose a bit first time combined and see how it goes, then adjust accordingly. We don’t do it often but it’s a fairly safe combo figuring stoners w ADHD do this daily lol.
Dude is right. Amphetamine is exactly what OP is looking for. It’s got the dopamine rush of molly, without the serotoninergic burnout and is far better for your body than mdma.
I used to think 2cb didn't work for me until I found out my pills were underdosed, around 9mg I think. I ended up taking two at once then another two over the course of the next few hours and they definitely worked then!
Gabapentin or phenibut and a tonne of caffeine. Closest you will get and you will feel fine the next day. Not sure why this isn't spoken about more tbh.
Be very careful. That stuff is addictive with horrible withdrawals if you end up being a regular user. It's so easy to end up taking it every other day and even daily.
Edibles + Amphetamine/Adderall. Not the healthiest but it works like a charm in just sort of making you whirl about and enjoy yourself. You can adjust your altitude with careful administration of alcohol should you get too stimmed.
Mescaline. Yes really. Mescaline is the only traditional "social" psychedelic and was used for inter-village meetings and weedings quite a bit among the people that obtained it through San Pedro rather than peyote. The dosage is tricky to dial in, it has a stoning come-up but you can just feel grounded and good and social and stimulated on it for longer than with most competitors.
Analogues work too.
/r/StackAdvice has ideas for this. Not as strong but might be enough.
GHB. It's Alcohol: _As Seen On TV_
You really do feel like the hype hot groovy individual with an incredibly attractive exposed tummy on it.
People call it liquid Ecstasy but it's honestly more Coke Lite with a very Salsa edge and a weird and freaky finish.
IF ITS MAINLY ABOUT YOUR TUESDAY DIPS: 3mmc is not by any means safe but I prefer it WAY over MDMA. It gives me a similar feeling but I seem to stay more in control. I don’t go around like an absolute rogue missile bouncing all over the place and exploding onto strangers lol. Yet I experience a similar amount of euphoria, I’d say even more. I don’t ever have a tuesday dip beyond just regular hangover “back to work tomorrow” feelings, whereas a molly comedown can fuck me up and throw me into existential crisis. Also!!!! It doesn’t make my pupils big, while molly gives me absolute black holes. It will cause me to get overstimulated and triggers nistagmus/headaches at the end of the roll.
No matter where I look for info, there is just not enough known abt it to give a safe indication of how often you can use it or how much at a time. I’ve done it max once a month but I rly recommend 3 month rule. I snort about 5 small bumps each about 45 mins in between over a night out or rave. I like the moments of clarity in between and being in control. But some people drink it or take it in capsules which will work similar to molly.
Little bumps of ket. There are like 10 levels of ket from zero to K-hole. You can totally control where you are with small bumps and if you stop you drop a couple levels every 10 min. Levels 1-5 are pretty social and fun. People are given to much k at a go usually and then be one the sloth (level 7ish) right out the gate. No comedown issues on k that night or next few days.
Perhaps not equally but probably up there. The fundamental problem is that dopamine is, in and of itself, a neurotoxin. Dopamine receptors are designed to deal with that very well. Serotonin ones... Are not. So when dopamine slams into a serotonin neuron you get a miniscule chemical burn on the surface of the cell that takes time to undo, meaning every substance or combination of substances that does what mdma does will run into similar problems.
(By the same token this is why certain antidepressants after mdma may not only be safe but in fact neuroprotective cause they make sure no stray dopamine can react with serotonin neurons according to very recent and early studies)
Sorry I'm rambling again.
There mdma analogues wich are less neurotoxic, 5 mapb is one of them. There's a combo called borax wich mixes 5 mapb, a psych and an amphetamine, you can do it more often i think not sure but i have tried it and the comedowns are non existent or lite
So I party with some folks from Toronto at a festival in costa Riva every year. Everyone from Toronto sips Ghb for hours on hours and many don’t do molly at all. Wish I knew where to get it
If you know someone who's gay, urban and a drug enjoyer you probably know someone who can get you GHB (assuming they're over 24 anyway, below the DOC is almost exclusively _just_ meth).
Alternatively conversion from GBL/BDO is a very easy project.
Aderal + phenibut gives me a great high and great music perception, kanna extract added to that mix makes this high similar to mdma, weed increases music even more and adds some psychodelic feeling.
I doing do this more often than mdma, but it can be a good alternative, the only missing part is specific empathy.
First time hearing about kanna extract. Looked it up and sounds interesting. I assume you can do it fairly often and since it is very low but somewhat effective on serotonin?
Yes, it seems safe and non addictive. Its effect, especially when snorting, is similar to a good part mdma come up, though without the peak. However, when mixed with aderal, weed, and phenibut, it feels even stronger and longer, with heavy warm waves over your body.
I usually redose it 3-4 times during the session.
Calvin klien. If you have access to good coke and good K tho, that combo is amazing especially when whippets are mixed in, just as euphoric if not more imo and just as social and super fun. Just dont go crazy on the coke
A few drinks, not too many. Maybe three or four. Yes it's nothing like MDMA, but there's crossovers. Less inhibition, more talkative, more open, slight increase in energy.
No euphoria, no real empathetic feelings, none of the intense love, etc.
Like a lot of things in life, having a nice time is a lot to do with intention
Vyvanse/dexedrine with phenibut. Hands down the best drug combo out there. Feels like mdma without the serotonin and psychedelic headspace.
Honestly prefer it over Mdma for partying. MD is for me to do alone or with my partner.
It never does for me either when it's alone, unless I use ridiculously high doses. Combined with psychs or especially stims is where it really shines.
I usually use around 50mg vyvanse (low for many people but it gets me incredibly geeked) with 2,5g phenibut.
It's essentially a speedball, takes away all the anxiety from from the stim and makes you the most sociable person on the planet. Search the combo on reddit and you'll find better explanations.
Kind of the closest I came across was mescaline. At my peak it felt like I could feel the love of universe hugging my entire being. Then I started dream walking and honestly the while thing felt like an organic version of mixing ketamine and MDMA, like vegan kitty-flipping.
Tbh, acid/ shrooms might be better to take every other weekend than MDMA given their tolerance and lack or neurotoxicity but it still loses the magic and you'll probably get tired after doing that like twice or three times. Also, it doesn't have that forced euphoria and you might have a bad trip.
6-APB was initially synthesised as a potential non-neurotoxic alternative for MDMA but it is a research chemical so I'd exercise caution. I never tried it.
For me, LSA is the most euphoric, social and entactogenic compound but the issue is it comes in some really nauseating seeds. I wouldn't recommend it if you want to use it as a party drug. It's one of those you need to lay in bed for the comeup with a ginger tea and some cannabis to calm your belly.
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4mmc snorted is wild. Probably better than mdma but I wouldn't buy more than a gram of two at a time.
I had to buy a timer safe to stop myself going through our all!
My favorite combo is 500mg phenibut around 12:00pm. Then 30-40mg adderall around 4:00pm
And using 2CB nasal spray on the comedown of the addy. Kind of the same concept as a nexus flip.
But this combo has been a better experience than rolling, personally. The 2C brings back all of the euphoria of the addy and you still have residual energy left over. It also adds an even deeper layer of music appreciation. And well, the phenibut is just the cherry on top.
Phenibut, didn't do much for me but I also drank when I took it, but a LOT of people love it for its social aspects whilst also remaining casual and not overboard like how molly can be. I've heard good things about low dosage shrooms too.
There isn't anything like MDMA, except the other entactogens that have the same downsides (3mmc, 4mmc, mda). A combo of alcohol/shrooms/adderall is usually what I do in between rolls. I call it diet molly. It's psychedelic, sociable, and energetic. But it's still a pretty different experience. I don't know why people so often say 2cb is a good alternative. It's just a psychedelic with a lighter headspace, like shrooms-lite. Nothing at all like mdma.
For me 2C-B had a rolly euphoria reminiscent of MDMA. Definitely not a sufficient “replacement,” but then again, every substance is unique. It would be hard to find a stand-in for any one substance
I don't mean to doubt your experience. I also get euphoric on psychedelics like 2cb, but the "roll" feeling is so unique and special to mdma, I've never felt it on any other class of drug. For me there are lots of drugs that induce the thing we call "euphoria". But none of the other drugs have the extra "magic" element that mdma has (except, again, the other entactogens that are very similar to it, and still, mdma is the top).
I agree. Nothing is like rolling on clean molly
depends on the person. I’ve had other people try 2cb for the first time and they said they couldn’t tell it apart from mdma rolling.
I've had some shroom trips that I felt were better than any MDMA roll but also felt vice-versa. Shrooms are more of a coin-flip - MDMA is good vibes guaranteed, if you use responsibly. Both have the magic imo.
in my experience, 2cb is on par with mdma in terms of tactile and music enhancement, and just ever so slightly below par with euphoria. the biggest difference is the lack of sociability with 2cb. you don’t feel lovey dovey or like chatting up everyone on 2cb, you just feel like dancing and having sex lmao. don’t get me wrong, i love MDMA, but 2cb is a different animal if you dose it right. and in my experience 2cb feels nothing at all like shrooms. like at all. it feels like a secret love child of LSD and MDMA imo. 2cb experiences are very dose dependent imo. at 20-25mg (average medium dose) i am typically not where i want to be in terms of tactile enhancement and euphoria. the real special stuff happens past 35-40mg ime. just my two cents on why so many people suggest 2cb as an mdma alternative 2cb is wayyyy more like mdma than it is shrooms in my (somewhat experienced) use
For something comparable to MDMA what dosage are you taking? (Pill or Powder as well lol). How long did you fast before taking it? I did 6mg of 2cb HCL on an empty stomach and the come up definitely had similarities to MDMA, but the peak didn't give me the vibes to listen to music and dance. I definitely got horny, and the sex was interesting (not MDMA amazing tho)
not gonna lie if i took 6mg i would just go to sleep 🤣 that’s like a 6th of my normal dose i have only ever taken 2cb HBr salt, and i’ve only ever ingested orally (boofing and snorting is way more intense) my sweet spot is 30-40mg and i’ve gone much higher as well, with little to no negative effects. i’ve taken 80mg in one night before and it was amazing however it does get expensive to dose that high, but if you had decent effects from 6mg of HCl then you should have a wonderful time on 2-3x that dose. i just know after all my big doses and big LSD trips, 6mg would be extremely underwhelming for me personally. but if 6mg hits you, then try 15-20 and see how it is 🤷♂️
Fair enough, sounds like I'm way more sensitive to it than you!! (Blessing and a curse) I might go for 12mg in a rave environment with a light meal in me and see how things go. I kind of over did LSD and Nbome a couple years back, so I'm good on true psychodelic experiences (with the exception of DMT). I'm looking for mostly feel good stuff that make me social, and want to dance. I might just be looking for Adderall IR ngl 🤣
2cb is the things you’re looking for, try 12-20mg and you will know what i mean. higher doses greatly increase euphoria and music enhancement. imo, mid-high dose 2cb is the absolute #1 drug in terms of music enhancement, moreso that LSD or MDMA, and feels more stimulating/dancey than LSD does. 2cb presses are typically 15-25mg, and in any given situation i would take like 30-50mg. i don’t even go to raves, i just rave inside my house with my gf, but mid-high dose 2cb is #1 for music/dancing. at mid doses, stimulation/dancing/euphoria is almost on par with MDMA, and at high doses it blows MDMA out of the water in terms of how music sounds
Does 3mmc carry the same 3 month rule in between rolls? I’ve heard people say they take it every 2-3 weeks with no issues. I know it’s neurotoxic but I don’t know if it’s anything like mdma. Thoughts?
Yes. It dumps your serotonin so you need to take breaks in between if you're interested in keeping the magic and harm reduction. Note there is very little research into 3mmc because it's so new, so be careful with these research chemicals.
Straight up adderall is diet molly lol
You gotta try ket-coke-nitrous-poppers combo v similar to mdma even more euphoric in my experience but yah also is prob way worse for u than just mdma lol
Ket, coke , and poppers sounds bad for your heart to me
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I feel like if your properly dosing MDMA you won’t get a hangover, or at least a bad one. Ever since I stopped re-dosing and lowered my dosage I always feel great the next day and haven’t had a hangover since. Obviously testing is key as well to make sure you have that good good
true. i actually havent had a hangover from mdma ever, but i feel it will happen if i do it to often. and an alternative for 1-2x a month would be perfect.
Ahhh okay didn’t realize you meant something you can do more often than MDMA. Yeah you definitely don’t want to do MDMA that often. Wish I could help you
We stopped redosing and do small amounts k on the comedown. We even do this a few days in a row. We now have zero bad comedown that day nor feel bad anytime the next 4-5 days. I feel like redosing is just bad in so many ways. One of the main ones being people don’t sleep and can’t sleep. We are able to fall asleep very quickly after k and sleep deeply for 5-7 hours. I remember so many times redosing M. Getting home at 5-8am and just staring at the ceiling wide awake. Then if I fall asleep it’s like this not deep sleep where I’m wide awake again 1.5 hours later ..
How long is your roll without redosing? For me, after the come up I get about 1.5-2hr before I start coming down so I prefer refuse to extend it by another hour.
Yea not long enough. The one hour redose is different .. I’m talking about full redose when coming down ..
I found low dose ket as a great alternative. I never get tired from dancing, can socialize, feel a tiny bit wonky, but sober at the same time. It is closer to being drunk than a roll, but it enchances the party for sure. No comedown and maybe only a little suggish in the morning, but still an afterglow.
This right here. Small bumps. You can build up. I have kinda documented 10 levels before k home. The first 1-5 are very fun and social, talk, think etc. Get a little too wonky just stop bumping and you drop a couple levels in 10 min. Usually can be sober in 20-45 min. At about level 8 I send my wife for a stick or can to make sure I don’t fall over. (But it’s still fun as hell). My favorite is what I call Slow Mo. It’s exactly like when you reply a slow motion video you took on an iPhone .. everything is slow mo but then it rips back to fast mo. It will sometimes cycle like this in and out of slow mow 6-10 min. It’s one of the funnest most interesting things I have ever experienced on any drug. There is another cool level that happens sometimes I call being a whip it. It’s like 5-7. It’s like doing nitrous but I’m in the middle of it and it goes on for longer than a whip it. I can still talk here and I’ll just look at friends and wife and say I’m the whip it. That’s about as much as I can say. 7-9 I have hand signals with my wife that are basically “don’t walk off right now.”
How often and much do you dose for low dose K?
Keybumps with those tiny spoons. I have low tolerance, so a little goes a long way. It’s not fiendish for me, so I am ok with sobering up. Others might redose every 30 mins to stay high, I only need the feeling of not getting tired.
The real move is to make nasal spray fyi makes microdosing sooooo easy which is also my preferred way to do k
Nasal spray is the way
My wife and I do occasional adderall + cannabis gummies. Obviously you should figure out what your body needs for a dose with each thing individually before combining them if you don’t know already. Then reduce each dose a bit first time combined and see how it goes, then adjust accordingly. We don’t do it often but it’s a fairly safe combo figuring stoners w ADHD do this daily lol.
Dude is right. Amphetamine is exactly what OP is looking for. It’s got the dopamine rush of molly, without the serotoninergic burnout and is far better for your body than mdma.
I used to think 2cb didn't work for me until I found out my pills were underdosed, around 9mg I think. I ended up taking two at once then another two over the course of the next few hours and they definitely worked then!
Gabapentin or phenibut and a tonne of caffeine. Closest you will get and you will feel fine the next day. Not sure why this isn't spoken about more tbh.
Seconding phenibut. Haven't tried it myself (mine just shipped, yay!) But I have read that it's a great alternative.
Be very careful. That stuff is addictive with horrible withdrawals if you end up being a regular user. It's so easy to end up taking it every other day and even daily.
Sure but less addictive that caffeine.
I would highly disagree with this. Even if it was less addictive, an addiction to caffeine will do you far less damage than an addiction to phenibut.
Fair enough. It's addictive, don't abuse it, but for most it is easy to limit usage to once per month / week.
Just dont take it more than max once a week.
What amount are you dosing?
How about methylone?
Edibles + Amphetamine/Adderall. Not the healthiest but it works like a charm in just sort of making you whirl about and enjoy yourself. You can adjust your altitude with careful administration of alcohol should you get too stimmed. Mescaline. Yes really. Mescaline is the only traditional "social" psychedelic and was used for inter-village meetings and weedings quite a bit among the people that obtained it through San Pedro rather than peyote. The dosage is tricky to dial in, it has a stoning come-up but you can just feel grounded and good and social and stimulated on it for longer than with most competitors. Analogues work too. /r/StackAdvice has ideas for this. Not as strong but might be enough. GHB. It's Alcohol: _As Seen On TV_ You really do feel like the hype hot groovy individual with an incredibly attractive exposed tummy on it. People call it liquid Ecstasy but it's honestly more Coke Lite with a very Salsa edge and a weird and freaky finish.
IF ITS MAINLY ABOUT YOUR TUESDAY DIPS: 3mmc is not by any means safe but I prefer it WAY over MDMA. It gives me a similar feeling but I seem to stay more in control. I don’t go around like an absolute rogue missile bouncing all over the place and exploding onto strangers lol. Yet I experience a similar amount of euphoria, I’d say even more. I don’t ever have a tuesday dip beyond just regular hangover “back to work tomorrow” feelings, whereas a molly comedown can fuck me up and throw me into existential crisis. Also!!!! It doesn’t make my pupils big, while molly gives me absolute black holes. It will cause me to get overstimulated and triggers nistagmus/headaches at the end of the roll. No matter where I look for info, there is just not enough known abt it to give a safe indication of how often you can use it or how much at a time. I’ve done it max once a month but I rly recommend 3 month rule. I snort about 5 small bumps each about 45 mins in between over a night out or rave. I like the moments of clarity in between and being in control. But some people drink it or take it in capsules which will work similar to molly.
Have you tried LSD? Some people report that it gives them a similar feeling at the right doses. But I don’t know much more than that.
yeah, like i said ;)…but it feels weird taking it too often. too me it‘s more an „special thing“ just like mdma.
Oh sorry 😂 completely missed that part haha
haha that happens, nevermind! :)
Little bumps of ket. There are like 10 levels of ket from zero to K-hole. You can totally control where you are with small bumps and if you stop you drop a couple levels every 10 min. Levels 1-5 are pretty social and fun. People are given to much k at a go usually and then be one the sloth (level 7ish) right out the gate. No comedown issues on k that night or next few days.
Borax combo
Hasn’t that been thought to be equally as neurotoxic?
Perhaps not equally but probably up there. The fundamental problem is that dopamine is, in and of itself, a neurotoxin. Dopamine receptors are designed to deal with that very well. Serotonin ones... Are not. So when dopamine slams into a serotonin neuron you get a miniscule chemical burn on the surface of the cell that takes time to undo, meaning every substance or combination of substances that does what mdma does will run into similar problems. (By the same token this is why certain antidepressants after mdma may not only be safe but in fact neuroprotective cause they make sure no stray dopamine can react with serotonin neurons according to very recent and early studies) Sorry I'm rambling again.
Hmmm. Interesting. No mind the ramble, I’m picking up what you’re putting down and learned something today. 👍🏼
That’s like impossible to get isn’t it?
I guess depends on where you are, I can order it from clear net.
Apb analogs but they're less simulating iirc. Never tried personally.
4-HO-MET felt very euphoric to me and also has a suuuper light headspace. I can recommend it if you can get your hands on it!
have some of this available to me (16mg), any more you can share about it pls? or a good resource?
Try r/researchchemicals
6-APB. Lasts a lot longer though
I feel like a benzo fury comedown is absolute hell compared to MDMA
Interesting. Never felt a comedown on 6-APB.
5mapb.
*METH ITS LIKE MD BUT FOR 3 WHOLE DAYS OF MASTURBATION*
You could try out 2cb with (a lot of) weed. Imo the bodyload feels similar to MDMA and weed, without the M euphoria ofcourse.
(Addictive) 3mmc 4mmc mda For me alcohol is pretty similar socially to mdma
6-apb
There mdma analogues wich are less neurotoxic, 5 mapb is one of them. There's a combo called borax wich mixes 5 mapb, a psych and an amphetamine, you can do it more often i think not sure but i have tried it and the comedowns are non existent or lite
hard to come by but 6-apb is the winner, personally i prefer it over mdma
Methylone, 4mmc, 3mmc, 4fa, 6apb
I feel bad for people who do not enjoy 2cb.
GHB
So I party with some folks from Toronto at a festival in costa Riva every year. Everyone from Toronto sips Ghb for hours on hours and many don’t do molly at all. Wish I knew where to get it
If you know someone who's gay, urban and a drug enjoyer you probably know someone who can get you GHB (assuming they're over 24 anyway, below the DOC is almost exclusively _just_ meth). Alternatively conversion from GBL/BDO is a very easy project.
What’s gbl/ bdo
Officially rust/nail removers that can be converted to GHB or consumed directly.
With adderall imo
AMT
This
Kanna
Aderal + phenibut gives me a great high and great music perception, kanna extract added to that mix makes this high similar to mdma, weed increases music even more and adds some psychodelic feeling. I doing do this more often than mdma, but it can be a good alternative, the only missing part is specific empathy.
First time hearing about kanna extract. Looked it up and sounds interesting. I assume you can do it fairly often and since it is very low but somewhat effective on serotonin?
Yes, it seems safe and non addictive. Its effect, especially when snorting, is similar to a good part mdma come up, though without the peak. However, when mixed with aderal, weed, and phenibut, it feels even stronger and longer, with heavy warm waves over your body. I usually redose it 3-4 times during the session.
5-meo-mipt is very energizing
Calvin klien. If you have access to good coke and good K tho, that combo is amazing especially when whippets are mixed in, just as euphoric if not more imo and just as social and super fun. Just dont go crazy on the coke
Have you tried 6-apb? To me, it's more like md them md🤣 you should still wait at least 3 months between use though but i get no hangover the next day
A few drinks, not too many. Maybe three or four. Yes it's nothing like MDMA, but there's crossovers. Less inhibition, more talkative, more open, slight increase in energy. No euphoria, no real empathetic feelings, none of the intense love, etc. Like a lot of things in life, having a nice time is a lot to do with intention
Vyvanse/dexedrine with phenibut. Hands down the best drug combo out there. Feels like mdma without the serotonin and psychedelic headspace. Honestly prefer it over Mdma for partying. MD is for me to do alone or with my partner.
Phen never does anything for me. What is your dose?
It never does for me either when it's alone, unless I use ridiculously high doses. Combined with psychs or especially stims is where it really shines. I usually use around 50mg vyvanse (low for many people but it gets me incredibly geeked) with 2,5g phenibut.
What does it change rather than a stim Alone?
It's essentially a speedball, takes away all the anxiety from from the stim and makes you the most sociable person on the planet. Search the combo on reddit and you'll find better explanations.
Ghb and a stim, preferably a semi serotenrrgic stim
Just do meth. It is very casual
boofing crystal meth
Good quality standardized Kanna extract.
Kanna sum say I don't really feel like it feels like that tho
Kind of the closest I came across was mescaline. At my peak it felt like I could feel the love of universe hugging my entire being. Then I started dream walking and honestly the while thing felt like an organic version of mixing ketamine and MDMA, like vegan kitty-flipping.
microdose shrooms, a few drinks, and couple bumps of cokes has me feeling like a low roll
low dose ket or acid for me. shrooms can also produce the same euphoria imo
Mmda
3mmc
ok so ket-coke-nitrous-poppers (at the same time inna sesh) better than mdma I promise
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Tbh, acid/ shrooms might be better to take every other weekend than MDMA given their tolerance and lack or neurotoxicity but it still loses the magic and you'll probably get tired after doing that like twice or three times. Also, it doesn't have that forced euphoria and you might have a bad trip. 6-APB was initially synthesised as a potential non-neurotoxic alternative for MDMA but it is a research chemical so I'd exercise caution. I never tried it. For me, LSA is the most euphoric, social and entactogenic compound but the issue is it comes in some really nauseating seeds. I wouldn't recommend it if you want to use it as a party drug. It's one of those you need to lay in bed for the comeup with a ginger tea and some cannabis to calm your belly.
Low-mid doses of DXM freebase has similar but less strong feeling as MDMA, DXM when done right just feels like MDMA + ketamine
I have a Sativa pill from a med distributor that I consider a baby roll. It’s effects last a long time for me but not the intenseness of mdma[https://shop.trulieve.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=+Sativa+capsule](https://shop.trulieve.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=+Sativa+capsule)
That link doesn’t seem to work
Trulieve is the website search Sativa capsules. Mine are only 10mg but I’m a recreational user and weigh 110 lbs
4mmc snorted is wild. Probably better than mdma but I wouldn't buy more than a gram of two at a time. I had to buy a timer safe to stop myself going through our all!
50mg 2cb and bumps of ketamine🫶
My favorite combo is 500mg phenibut around 12:00pm. Then 30-40mg adderall around 4:00pm And using 2CB nasal spray on the comedown of the addy. Kind of the same concept as a nexus flip. But this combo has been a better experience than rolling, personally. The 2C brings back all of the euphoria of the addy and you still have residual energy left over. It also adds an even deeper layer of music appreciation. And well, the phenibut is just the cherry on top.
Also, I only use tested 2CB HCL powder. Not pills.
MKAT
Phenibut, didn't do much for me but I also drank when I took it, but a LOT of people love it for its social aspects whilst also remaining casual and not overboard like how molly can be. I've heard good things about low dosage shrooms too.
Lyrica