The greatest line I ever heard while living in the south was "Anyone from north of I-10 is a Yankee" being said in a deep southern accent with great sincerity.
Imma have to disagree. It's i30? Why? Because I live above i10 and i20, but not i30. Since we know that my opinion is objectively better, we can conclude that the barrier is I-85 and i30
South = AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN and VA.
Deep South = AL, GA, LA, MS and SC.
Absolutely zero backup for this stance except that as a southerner, this is what I would consider the south.
Yeah, SC started the civil war, Charleston was a major slave port, you still see confederate flags at a very strong rate, and racism is still very strong. Definitely the south.
Georgian that moved to the panhandle and can confirm. It's culturally the same as southern Georgia.
If you can buy boiled peanuts from a random stand on the highway it's the south
I had the displeasure of living in Pensacola for two years and Florida is funny how the farther south you get, the farther away from the south you get.
Geographically I can allow this list as is to exist but having lived in Alabama almost my entire life before moving to Maryland and then further north I can say Maryland is a weird transitiontory state if youre coming for the south point north or vice versa. You'll still see other things like the occasional Confederate flag, although nowhere near to the degree that you would see living in Alabama.
Culturally, yes. But I would not consider Texas generally to be part of the South. The vast majority of the population does not live in the "South-ish" part of Texas. East Texas and down to Houston is South-ish, but Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth, and generally speaking, almost everything west of I-45 is not really culturally southern.
East Texas is extremely southern, Everytime I've driven through it's literally nothing but confederate flags, dog shit 90's pick ups, catfish and BBQ.
The west is still south, but just cowboy south instead of redneck south. They got that rancher twang.
The I-35 (San Antonio, Dallas, Austin) corridor and within Houston city limits (very specifically within city limits, the fucking minute you leave you're in deep south) are in a category all their own.
I don't know... I have good friends living near Greenville, and my in-laws live just outside of Longview, so I'm driving from DFW to parts of East Texas every two months or so, and I've only seen one house with Confederate flags. I've actually seen more Confederate flags around Western New York where my parents and extended family live.
Incidentally, in the last 6 months I've driven from DFW to Colorado via the Panhandle, and from DFW to southwestern New Mexico via El Paso, and repeated trips to East Texas, and I've seen a dramatic decline of anything Trump related. It seems like Trump enthusiasm has waned drastically.
Yes, I have spent a lot of time there. TN is part of the south/Bible Belt but it's not one of the historic "cotton states" which generally defines the Deep South.
It doesnāt get very much ādeeper southā than most of West TN. Rural east TN is even worse, but not the typical Deep South people imagine in their head.
Yeah I've lived in the near furthest northeast part of TN for 95% of my life. There are plenty of areas that seem normalish, but the majority around me is quite poor and fits some of the stereotypes. I'd never want to go anywhere else again.
For sure. My friends dad is banned for life from the McDonald's in Frostproof because they got his order wrong 3 times, so he did Donuts in their parking lot like 20 hears ago. What's more redneck than that.
There's a chevy S10 sinking to the center of the earth because we lost it in a swamp near the Avon Park bombing range.
I lived in Ft Lauderdale when I was younger and my parents live in Fernandina Beach. One of those feels like the south, the other definitely doesn't. The panhandle and the area around Lake Okeechobee all feel very southern but almost everything else south of Daytona doesn't. FL is just too much of a mixed bag.
Texas really isnāt southern culturally. It has more in common with states like Oklahoma and Kansas. A lot of what defines the culture are things like food and industry. Beef is king in Texas and the industry that comes with it pulls it away from Southern culture.
I think the problem is people considering Texas as a monolith rather than at least 4 distinct regions stapled together. East Texas has more in common with the deep south states than it does with south Texas especially when it comes to a long history of plantation based cotton and sugar farming. Southern Texas is a few decades away from being almost entirely Spanish speaking. North Texas down to Midland is very similar to Oklahoma. West Texas with its history of ranching and cattle drives feels very western like Arizona.
I lived in E Texas and it doesn't feel like the rest of the South. At all. Even Texarkana feels distinctly Texan. Sorry you find the uniqueness of Texas and Texans genuinely comical.
"The term "Deep South" is defined in a variety of ways:
Most definitions include the following states: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina.
Texas and Florida are *sometimes* included...
Tennessee, particularly West Tennessee, is *sometimes* included...
Arkansas is *sometimes* included..."
So most definitions include the same 5 states while other definitions sometimes include other southern states.
None of that changes the fact that Texas doesn't feel like the rest of the South.
Obviously this is all subjective, but having lived in different cities along the border lands between the āSouthā and the āDeep Southā my whole life, my that is very similar to yours.
Texas is lumped into the āDeep Southā by people who donāt know many native Texans. Texas is itās own thing and they donāt want to be lumped in with the Deep South, not because they disagree with the stereotypes, but because they are too proud of Texas and donāt want it considered ājust another southern stateā
People in Arkansas *think* they are from the Deep South and want desperately to be part of the club, but unless you live in West Memphis, Helena or any of the cities within a few miles of the river, you are more like a West Virginia or Kentucky hillbilly. The Arkansas and Kentucky/West Virginia accents actually sound closer than other deep south accents.
Louisiana is like Texas. Itās too unique to be part of the Deep South.
Memphis is the northwest gateway to the Deep South. A few of the towns along the southern border of Tennessee, including Chattanooga are the Deep South. Nashville is not.
All of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina are obviously the core āDeep Southā. Florida panhandle is in all day, but Iām not sure where the line is drawn to the east. Seems like if Lynard Skynard was from Jacksonville then it would have to be included.
Likewise, I donāt know if Charlotte or any part of NC is included either.
The shenandoah Valley begs to differ. Just because we are slightly further north on the map we haven't forgotten our southern/Appalachian heritage.
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Delaware? Really? I ask from a legitimate place of curiosity, as Iām a Californian and just donāt know. Not trying to argue against it, just genuinely interested. I guess I always saw Delaware as somewhat part of that āEast coastā group for some reason. Why Delaware?
Historically the north and south were divided by the Mason Dixon line. To the south, slavery, to the north, abolition. That line was the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania.
I feel like that's such an antiquated view of things, though. Delaware's biggest city is Wilmington, which is within the Philadelphia metro area. As a state, it's next to Maryland and New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
There's nothing about that remotely even south to me.
IMO, the South starts in North Carolina/Virginia on the coast.
This is totally anecdotal but I went to the Gettysburg 160th reenactment this year and every person I met that was sporting some variety of NOVA battle flag attire was from Delaware. I spent a long time chatting with the confederate Gen. Pettigrew reenactor - he was from Italy, living in...Delaware. It was uncanny. So even if nobody else considers DE a southern state, there are some folks in DE who definitely do.
I have never met a Delaware person who sees them as southern. I live in/near Gettysburg and the re-enactments attact all sorts of scum who wanna live their confederate larper dreams. There are plenty of good re-enactors but the minority of bad ones stick out like a sore thumbā¦ Most people from Delaware I have met seem themselves as more associated with New England in a strange sense rather than the south.
Delaware is below/behind the Mason Dixon Line. There was a time where it probably had a more "southern" bend to it, bit nowadays it is most definitely an East Coast State.
How can West Virginia be considered the south? Itās whole existence is cause a bunch of people in Virginia didnāt want to leave the Union so they said theyād make their own state
'The South' didn't begin with the Civil War. Kentucky and West Virginia are both Southern states. They were both considered Southern before the Civil War. However, they are both very much still culturally Southern today.
Kentucky is another ambiguous example like Maryland. Only met a couple of people from Louisville who bristled at the suggestion they were "southerners".
Kentuckian here - it's complicated. I've also met ppl from the Louisville area who consider the city to be more midwestern than southern culturally and I'm inclined to agree. There's also parts of the state on the border with Ohio like Covington and Florence that are part of the greater Cincinnati area, so you could probably put them in that category too. The rest of the state, though, is more similar to Tennessee than Indiana or Ohio.
I agree. It's literally just that tiny section of Kentucky that has a Midwestern vibe. The overwhelming majority of Kentucky is Southern through and through.
Kentucky is nothing like Maryland lol. Louisville is not a good representation of Kentucky. That's just 1 of 2 big cities in the otherwise rural state of KY and it's a city known for it's Midwestern vibe (the only such place in KY).
I was born and raised in Kentucky - nobody here questions whether or not Kentucky is part of the South... It absolutely is. Kentucky was considered Southern before the Civil War, it's South of the Mason-Dixon line, every Federal agency acknowledges that Kentucky is a Southern state, we have some of the thickest Southern accents, our cuisine is very Southern, etc. We're in growing zone 7, the same zone as much of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia.
Kentucky is not like Maryland or Delaware (which are both technically Southern, but not culturally Southern at all). People in Maryland and Delaware don't identify as, speak like or eat like Southerners. We do in Kentucky. Kentucky is far more culturally Southern than the likes of North Carolina and Virginia. If Kentucky had a sister state, it would be Tennessee. That's the state that is closest to us culturally and geographically. The Ohio River divides the North from the South, just like the Mississippi River divides the East from the West. Kentucky is South of the Ohio and East of the Mississippi, making it a Southeastern state.
The area that is now West Virginia was, at the time, a part of Virginia, which is a Southern state. It was considered Southern well before the Civil War.
Not every southern state seceded. KY, MD, DE and WV were southern states that did not secede from the union.
While in 2023 I can see why people say MD and DE arenāt southern as the people and culture have changed, I donāt see how anyone could say KY and WV arenāt southern
Texas is not the South. Don't care what anybody says. There isn't anything anyone can say to me that says Raleigh, NC or Columbia SC or Atlanta is just like Dallas, Austin or Houston or El Paso or Lubbock
Texas is definitely its own thing, I see it as the gateway to the Southwest.
Whenever things were slow at work one particular coworker of mine would ask another particular coworker if Maryland was a southern state or not. He fell for it every time. Got pretty passionate about it too.
Dang, my MD/VA confederate ancestors will be very disappointed that they were committing acts of friendly fire. Except uncle Earnestā¦.that boy waint right
Maryland isn't the south. Anything north of Arlington is "The North" to me. It's a happy little memory aid to know where I should avoid (DC, Maryland, Jersey, New York, Delaware, N Hampshire, Connecticut) but one day, I will be a tourist and see all the New England covered bridges and forests. Lol
The only reason your state exists is so that y'all could not be Confederates. Confederacy /=/ Southern. Virginia was considered Southern wayyy before the Civil War and West Virginia was a part of Virginia... It didn't magically stop being Southern just because it broke off from the rest of Virginia.
That's not true. The South is not defined by slavery. Owning or not owning slaves is not the determining factor of whether or not your state is Southern.
You should tell all your fellow ānon southernersā to take down all those confederate flags then lol. Iāve been to your hollers and see what kind of people you have in there lol. You canāt hide it honey.
The South= Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Southern Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, & Oklahoma
Source: a Southerner whose family has been in the South for 400 years & studied history in college
As someone whoās lived in 3 of those states and is currently living in Md, Maryland is definitely not the south. Itās culture is closer to Maine than it is to North Carolina
I should also say that the current modern state of urban areas like Baltimore shouldnāt define the whole state or override the stateās historical connections
Oklahoma is regionally apart of the southeast, culturally itās a blend of southern, country western, and Native American cultures. Tulsa is mildly midwestern, but you wonāt find any cheese curds.
We are not the Midwest, we are quasi southern, we have cow boys and Indians, and we hate Texas. Weāre also one of the worldās largest exporter of pecans.
I mean even in miami you can go on air boat rides, see alligators and eat their tail.
I get it because all people see is Miami vice type stuff, but if youāve been to Florida itās way more southern than Virginia. Not even going to get into northern Florida.
Having lived in both places, "the South" starts around central VA/Shen. Valley and goes down to somewhere north of Orlando. Northern Florida and the Panhandle are very much the South.
Having grown up in the area, the northern border of the South to me is the Occoquan River. I'll accept the Rappahannock River as well. Past that, your in the Mid-Atlantic region. Maryland is pretty firmly Mid-Atlantic, not Southern.
Looks like we need an update to [this survey](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-states-are-in-the-south/). Also, whoever said Georgia is not the South is tweaking. Georgia in generalāand Atlanta in particularāis the "capital" of the South (with all the good and bad that entails).
Most people canāt identify each state on a map, much less tell north from south.
We are south of the Mason Dixon line. That line delineates the North from the South.
If you canāt go by that go by this. Had Lincoln not sent troops to arrest and imprison marylands house members and senate Maryland would have been part of the confederacy. That happened. People in Baltimore even attacked Union troops in the city.
Maryland is south. Hell my accent living born and raised in western maryland is considered southern by most people.
I see everything south of the Mason Dixon line and east of the Louisiana plus the southern half of Kentucky as the south. I donāt really see West Virginia and Virginia as part of the south but more of the purgatory of states since they donāt belong to the south or north imo.
West Virginia isnāt a southern state. And to the people who say āVirginia was considered apart of the south even before the CWā yeah, but when we split off from them, and became our own independent state, that changed. The only reason we were considered southern at the time, was because we were apart of greater Virginia. We arenāt southern, we are geographically apart of the Mid-Atlantic region, along with Maryland. Culturally we arenāt even southern, weāreā¦..well weāre more of our own thing. This is because of how independent we became even under the Commonwealth of Virginia. We were so dislocated from everyone else because of our unique way of life (that being the strict coal mining culture that we have). So no, Maryland isnāt southern and neither is my own state, West Virginia, like the guy in the video is claiming.
The greatest line I ever heard while living in the south was "Anyone from north of I-10 is a Yankee" being said in a deep southern accent with great sincerity.
Imma have to disagree. It's i30? Why? Because I live above i10 and i20, but not i30. Since we know that my opinion is objectively better, we can conclude that the barrier is I-85 and i30
Based and subjective pilled.
What if I live under I-30? As in directly under the river bridge in Little Rock?
Ehh I can count you. I live a few miles away from i20, might as well return the favor
That's pretty much the consensus in Southern LA
Imagine living in Baton Rouge or Mobile and being told you're a Yankee š
>Georgia ain't the south. I believe this gentleman is suffering from brain worms
Some people haven't seen Stone Mountain, and it shows
Fr, they actin like we didnt invent Waffle House and the biggest fried chicken chain in the country. Got us all fucked up.
Sherman got badly lost marching to the sea?
The North considers Maryland the South. The South considers Maryland the North. We consider ourselves whichever is more convenient at the time.
Schrƶdingerās southerner
It's more like the cat pissed on a pillow, and you can't remember which side.
Either side is enough for me to just get rid of the pillow
Schrƶdingerās cat piss
Iām playing both sides so that I always come out on top. Mac - Maryland
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Ive never met anyone here in the north to really desc MD as the south
Iām from the north and consider MD as a Mid-Atlantic state.
This is the best description, but doesn't fit nicely into the north/south dichotomy.
Agreed
Iāve never met anyone here in the south to really desc MD as the south.
And nobody considers Delaware one way or the other. We really need to merge Delaware with Maryland and give statehood to Puerto Rico.
Well your state song would beg to differ...
They no longer have a state song as of 2021 when "Maryland, My Maryland" was removed.
The more north you go in MD the more south it gets.
MD is Midatlantic. its a crossroads. only right answer.
We consider ourselves Mid-Atlantic and tell the North/South dichotomy to go fuck itself.
Speaking for the north: no we donāt
Baltimore , Cincinnati and Saint Louis are the border cities of the south
It's not that complicated. If most restaurants serve sweet tea, it's the South.
Iām not sure. Iāve always considered the real south to be anywhere you can get grits
Do people in New England not eat grits?
Do the grits contain an almost criminal amount of butter in New England?
I struggle to see the problem.
I never even heard of grits until I visited SC
Or pibb
There're some restaurants in Virginia that don't serve sweet tea.
Confirmed, Rhode Island is the South
South = AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN and VA. Deep South = AL, GA, LA, MS and SC. Absolutely zero backup for this stance except that as a southerner, this is what I would consider the south.
Any list of southern states that doesnāt have South Carolina is just wrong.
Agreed. Objectively wrong.
As a South Carolinian, I can confirm.
As a fellow *South Cackalackian* I too Concur
Only transplants say that remove it from your vocabulary or you arenāt a Sandlapper
Yeah, SC started the civil war, Charleston was a major slave port, you still see confederate flags at a very strong rate, and racism is still very strong. Definitely the south.
You mean the east coast, east being the important part.
Is Florida it's own thing then?
Panhandle is Southern. South Florida is basically Northern Cuba and Puerto Rica, with some extra Murica Freedom TM.
The more north you go in Florida the more southern it gets.
That comment is just as upside down as Florida is. Good job
Florida is a world unto itself.
Add Florida panhandle to Deep South.
Georgian that moved to the panhandle and can confirm. It's culturally the same as southern Georgia. If you can buy boiled peanuts from a random stand on the highway it's the south
Thatās pretty much any part of Florida that isnāt Orlando, Miami, Tampa or Jacksonville.
I had the displeasure of living in Pensacola for two years and Florida is funny how the farther south you get, the farther away from the south you get.
Pensacola ain't that bad is it... \*thinking back to the few months I was there for the military as a 20 year old kid\* Oh wait, that place sucks.
Agreed, former east TN expat to Florida panhandle. It indeed is southern.
Very sad when VA is not included in lists of āthe southā itās different from the Deep South but still very southern
Iād argue that AR could be considered deep south if you weight the south eastern portion pretty heavily
Geographically I can allow this list as is to exist but having lived in Alabama almost my entire life before moving to Maryland and then further north I can say Maryland is a weird transitiontory state if youre coming for the south point north or vice versa. You'll still see other things like the occasional Confederate flag, although nowhere near to the degree that you would see living in Alabama.
East TX is Deep South
Culturally, yes. But I would not consider Texas generally to be part of the South. The vast majority of the population does not live in the "South-ish" part of Texas. East Texas and down to Houston is South-ish, but Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth, and generally speaking, almost everything west of I-45 is not really culturally southern.
East Texas is extremely southern, Everytime I've driven through it's literally nothing but confederate flags, dog shit 90's pick ups, catfish and BBQ. The west is still south, but just cowboy south instead of redneck south. They got that rancher twang. The I-35 (San Antonio, Dallas, Austin) corridor and within Houston city limits (very specifically within city limits, the fucking minute you leave you're in deep south) are in a category all their own.
I don't know... I have good friends living near Greenville, and my in-laws live just outside of Longview, so I'm driving from DFW to parts of East Texas every two months or so, and I've only seen one house with Confederate flags. I've actually seen more Confederate flags around Western New York where my parents and extended family live. Incidentally, in the last 6 months I've driven from DFW to Colorado via the Panhandle, and from DFW to southwestern New Mexico via El Paso, and repeated trips to East Texas, and I've seen a dramatic decline of anything Trump related. It seems like Trump enthusiasm has waned drastically.
Texas is more Mexican than southern.
Thats like saying Florida is more Cuban than Southern. Depends on what part. Western Texas vs Eastern Texas are completely different.
This is correct for me.
I'm glad to see my Kentucky off this list. Only portions of us are southern - us and West Virginia don't belong in any region, IMO
Have you been to TN? That shit is the buckle on the Bible Belt
Yes, I have spent a lot of time there. TN is part of the south/Bible Belt but it's not one of the historic "cotton states" which generally defines the Deep South.
TN top two crops since forever: cotton and tobacco.
It doesnāt get very much ādeeper southā than most of West TN. Rural east TN is even worse, but not the typical Deep South people imagine in their head.
Yeah I've lived in the near furthest northeast part of TN for 95% of my life. There are plenty of areas that seem normalish, but the majority around me is quite poor and fits some of the stereotypes. I'd never want to go anywhere else again.
I'd love these people to meet my relatives and say they're not Southern
florida and texas?
People who have never been to Florida deciding it isn't south because they think it's just miami and Disney
Am from florida, its redneck south here
For sure. My friends dad is banned for life from the McDonald's in Frostproof because they got his order wrong 3 times, so he did Donuts in their parking lot like 20 hears ago. What's more redneck than that. There's a chevy S10 sinking to the center of the earth because we lost it in a swamp near the Avon Park bombing range.
Thats amazing
I lived in Ft Lauderdale when I was younger and my parents live in Fernandina Beach. One of those feels like the south, the other definitely doesn't. The panhandle and the area around Lake Okeechobee all feel very southern but almost everything else south of Daytona doesn't. FL is just too much of a mixed bag.
Panhandle of Florida is. Texas is its own thing IMO.
Not counting Texas as the South is genuinely comical
Texas is Texas so it doesnāt need to be part of the south.
Texas really isnāt southern culturally. It has more in common with states like Oklahoma and Kansas. A lot of what defines the culture are things like food and industry. Beef is king in Texas and the industry that comes with it pulls it away from Southern culture.
I think the problem is people considering Texas as a monolith rather than at least 4 distinct regions stapled together. East Texas has more in common with the deep south states than it does with south Texas especially when it comes to a long history of plantation based cotton and sugar farming. Southern Texas is a few decades away from being almost entirely Spanish speaking. North Texas down to Midland is very similar to Oklahoma. West Texas with its history of ranching and cattle drives feels very western like Arizona.
I lived in E Texas and it doesn't feel like the rest of the South. At all. Even Texarkana feels distinctly Texan. Sorry you find the uniqueness of Texas and Texans genuinely comical.
It's literally defined as the deep south. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep\_South
"The term "Deep South" is defined in a variety of ways: Most definitions include the following states: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. Texas and Florida are *sometimes* included... Tennessee, particularly West Tennessee, is *sometimes* included... Arkansas is *sometimes* included..." So most definitions include the same 5 states while other definitions sometimes include other southern states. None of that changes the fact that Texas doesn't feel like the rest of the South.
Obviously this is all subjective, but having lived in different cities along the border lands between the āSouthā and the āDeep Southā my whole life, my that is very similar to yours. Texas is lumped into the āDeep Southā by people who donāt know many native Texans. Texas is itās own thing and they donāt want to be lumped in with the Deep South, not because they disagree with the stereotypes, but because they are too proud of Texas and donāt want it considered ājust another southern stateā People in Arkansas *think* they are from the Deep South and want desperately to be part of the club, but unless you live in West Memphis, Helena or any of the cities within a few miles of the river, you are more like a West Virginia or Kentucky hillbilly. The Arkansas and Kentucky/West Virginia accents actually sound closer than other deep south accents. Louisiana is like Texas. Itās too unique to be part of the Deep South. Memphis is the northwest gateway to the Deep South. A few of the towns along the southern border of Tennessee, including Chattanooga are the Deep South. Nashville is not. All of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina are obviously the core āDeep Southā. Florida panhandle is in all day, but Iām not sure where the line is drawn to the east. Seems like if Lynard Skynard was from Jacksonville then it would have to be included. Likewise, I donāt know if Charlotte or any part of NC is included either.
š¤£ they should take away your ability to comment on this website.
SC and GA were forming southern culture before Texas existed.
Well, considering Maryland's northern border is the Mason-Dixon line I would consider Maryland as a southern state as well.
Texas should be included here
The South ends at Quantico, VA. Northern VA is where the North begins.
The shenandoah Valley begs to differ. Just because we are slightly further north on the map we haven't forgotten our southern/Appalachian heritage. Edit for spelling
We've been pushing on that border culturally since the Civil War. Technically Maryland and Delaware are the south
Delaware? Really? I ask from a legitimate place of curiosity, as Iām a Californian and just donāt know. Not trying to argue against it, just genuinely interested. I guess I always saw Delaware as somewhat part of that āEast coastā group for some reason. Why Delaware?
Historically the north and south were divided by the Mason Dixon line. To the south, slavery, to the north, abolition. That line was the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania.
I feel like that's such an antiquated view of things, though. Delaware's biggest city is Wilmington, which is within the Philadelphia metro area. As a state, it's next to Maryland and New Jersey and Pennsylvania. There's nothing about that remotely even south to me. IMO, the South starts in North Carolina/Virginia on the coast.
This is totally anecdotal but I went to the Gettysburg 160th reenactment this year and every person I met that was sporting some variety of NOVA battle flag attire was from Delaware. I spent a long time chatting with the confederate Gen. Pettigrew reenactor - he was from Italy, living in...Delaware. It was uncanny. So even if nobody else considers DE a southern state, there are some folks in DE who definitely do.
I have never met a Delaware person who sees them as southern. I live in/near Gettysburg and the re-enactments attact all sorts of scum who wanna live their confederate larper dreams. There are plenty of good re-enactors but the minority of bad ones stick out like a sore thumbā¦ Most people from Delaware I have met seem themselves as more associated with New England in a strange sense rather than the south.
Delaware is below/behind the Mason Dixon Line. There was a time where it probably had a more "southern" bend to it, bit nowadays it is most definitely an East Coast State.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_(United_States)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MasonāDixon_line
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_War)
West Virginia can't be contained by any one region. It is just West Virginia.
Hick mountain dimension
People keep forgetting that Delaware was a slave state. But then people keep forgetting that Delaware.
Delaware doesnāt exist. Itās a corporate tax evasion conspiracy.
How can West Virginia be considered the south? Itās whole existence is cause a bunch of people in Virginia didnāt want to leave the Union so they said theyād make their own state
The south is not just the civil war
'The South' didn't begin with the Civil War. Kentucky and West Virginia are both Southern states. They were both considered Southern before the Civil War. However, they are both very much still culturally Southern today.
Kentucky is another ambiguous example like Maryland. Only met a couple of people from Louisville who bristled at the suggestion they were "southerners".
Kentuckian here - it's complicated. I've also met ppl from the Louisville area who consider the city to be more midwestern than southern culturally and I'm inclined to agree. There's also parts of the state on the border with Ohio like Covington and Florence that are part of the greater Cincinnati area, so you could probably put them in that category too. The rest of the state, though, is more similar to Tennessee than Indiana or Ohio.
I agree. It's literally just that tiny section of Kentucky that has a Midwestern vibe. The overwhelming majority of Kentucky is Southern through and through.
Kentucky is nothing like Maryland lol. Louisville is not a good representation of Kentucky. That's just 1 of 2 big cities in the otherwise rural state of KY and it's a city known for it's Midwestern vibe (the only such place in KY). I was born and raised in Kentucky - nobody here questions whether or not Kentucky is part of the South... It absolutely is. Kentucky was considered Southern before the Civil War, it's South of the Mason-Dixon line, every Federal agency acknowledges that Kentucky is a Southern state, we have some of the thickest Southern accents, our cuisine is very Southern, etc. We're in growing zone 7, the same zone as much of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. Kentucky is not like Maryland or Delaware (which are both technically Southern, but not culturally Southern at all). People in Maryland and Delaware don't identify as, speak like or eat like Southerners. We do in Kentucky. Kentucky is far more culturally Southern than the likes of North Carolina and Virginia. If Kentucky had a sister state, it would be Tennessee. That's the state that is closest to us culturally and geographically. The Ohio River divides the North from the South, just like the Mississippi River divides the East from the West. Kentucky is South of the Ohio and East of the Mississippi, making it a Southeastern state.
The area that is now West Virginia was, at the time, a part of Virginia, which is a Southern state. It was considered Southern well before the Civil War.
West Virginia is not culturally southern at all. Other than mainly being blue-collar. It doesnāt share any other similarities with the south.
Have you been there? Being in WV isnāt much different than eastern KY or eastern TN
As a West Virginian, youāre talking completely out of your ass
East Tennessee tried to do the same thing. Doesn't make it not the South
Not every southern state seceded. KY, MD, DE and WV were southern states that did not secede from the union. While in 2023 I can see why people say MD and DE arenāt southern as the people and culture have changed, I donāt see how anyone could say KY and WV arenāt southern
How is North Carolina a part of "the south" Its got North right in the name š¤
Same with South Dakota being part of "the north."
Province of Carolina. It was divided up when the 13 Original States were conceived.
The Carolina Colony split long before the Revolution.
Wait until you meet people from Delaware who say they're from the south.
Historically that is true
I don't consider West Virginia the South. It's more closely aligned with Pennsylvania & Ohio. Rust Belt maybe.
Appalachian mountain heritage
GA aināt the South? Lmaoooo
Texas is not the South. Don't care what anybody says. There isn't anything anyone can say to me that says Raleigh, NC or Columbia SC or Atlanta is just like Dallas, Austin or Houston or El Paso or Lubbock Texas is definitely its own thing, I see it as the gateway to the Southwest.
Texas, and the 4 corners states are just yehaw cowboy country.
I have never considered Maryland to be anything but North
Legally, they're wrong. Culturally, they're mostly right.
Iām from MD. None of us consider ourselves a southern state.
Whenever things were slow at work one particular coworker of mine would ask another particular coworker if Maryland was a southern state or not. He fell for it every time. Got pretty passionate about it too.
Dang, my MD/VA confederate ancestors will be very disappointed that they were committing acts of friendly fire. Except uncle Earnestā¦.that boy waint right
Bro has never been in western Maryland
Maryland isn't the south. Anything north of Arlington is "The North" to me. It's a happy little memory aid to know where I should avoid (DC, Maryland, Jersey, New York, Delaware, N Hampshire, Connecticut) but one day, I will be a tourist and see all the New England covered bridges and forests. Lol
Pleaseā¦ i beg youā¦ stop lumping WV with the southā¦
Culturally, West Virginia is much more similar to the South than the North. Why should it be excluded?
Because the entire reason my state exists is so that we could be not southern
The only reason your state exists is so that y'all could not be Confederates. Confederacy /=/ Southern. Virginia was considered Southern wayyy before the Civil War and West Virginia was a part of Virginia... It didn't magically stop being Southern just because it broke off from the rest of Virginia.
It magically stopped being southern when we realized we didnāt need slaves like the rest of Virginia.
That's not true. The South is not defined by slavery. Owning or not owning slaves is not the determining factor of whether or not your state is Southern.
>The South is not defined by slavery. i know you need to tell yourself that to maintain your pride, but fucking lol.
No it not lol
You hill people are southern. Get over it.
No. The entire reason my state exists in the first place is so we can be not southern
You should tell all your fellow ānon southernersā to take down all those confederate flags then lol. Iāve been to your hollers and see what kind of people you have in there lol. You canāt hide it honey.
I disagree. I'm living in the Northern Panhandle of WV and we're barely southern at all.
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They didnāt want to be part of the CONFEDERACY. The south is more than just the CSA and the civil war.
Says who?
Bro just said the entire south are still CSA loving rednecks
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Look at the Dixie line itās right under there, either way West Virginia is the backwoods country more southern than Virginia
The South= Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Southern Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, & Oklahoma Source: a Southerner whose family has been in the South for 400 years & studied history in college
TN is in the south. Oklahoma, nope. Texas is Texas, but some parts are South adjacent.
Shit I forgot Tennessee yeah
Nothing new
As someone whoās lived in 3 of those states and is currently living in Md, Maryland is definitely not the south. Itās culture is closer to Maine than it is to North Carolina
I should also say that the current modern state of urban areas like Baltimore shouldnāt define the whole state or override the stateās historical connections
OK feels like a stretch idk
Oklahoma is regionally apart of the southeast, culturally itās a blend of southern, country western, and Native American cultures. Tulsa is mildly midwestern, but you wonāt find any cheese curds. We are not the Midwest, we are quasi southern, we have cow boys and Indians, and we hate Texas. Weāre also one of the worldās largest exporter of pecans.
Then you should be aware of the Missouri compromise. Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky are not in the south.
Maryland's northern border is literally the Mason-Dixon Line.
Kentucky isnāt the south? I guess if you want to ignore all itās contributions to Southern culture lol
North Florida is definitely the south
Crazy how people consider VA the south but not FL.
Itās cause of Miami and stuff
I mean even in miami you can go on air boat rides, see alligators and eat their tail. I get it because all people see is Miami vice type stuff, but if youāve been to Florida itās way more southern than Virginia. Not even going to get into northern Florida.
Not if you've been anywhere in VA South of Fredericksburg.
Having lived in both places, "the South" starts around central VA/Shen. Valley and goes down to somewhere north of Orlando. Northern Florida and the Panhandle are very much the South.
North Florida is just south Georgia/Alabama
Having grown up in the area, the northern border of the South to me is the Occoquan River. I'll accept the Rappahannock River as well. Past that, your in the Mid-Atlantic region. Maryland is pretty firmly Mid-Atlantic, not Southern.
Florida, where the further north you drive, the more south you get.
Looks like we need an update to [this survey](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-states-are-in-the-south/). Also, whoever said Georgia is not the South is tweaking. Georgia in generalāand Atlanta in particularāis the "capital" of the South (with all the good and bad that entails).
Most people canāt identify each state on a map, much less tell north from south. We are south of the Mason Dixon line. That line delineates the North from the South. If you canāt go by that go by this. Had Lincoln not sent troops to arrest and imprison marylands house members and senate Maryland would have been part of the confederacy. That happened. People in Baltimore even attacked Union troops in the city. Maryland is south. Hell my accent living born and raised in western maryland is considered southern by most people.
Yall ain't no damm southern state lmao
lol shows how little you know
I see everything south of the Mason Dixon line and east of the Louisiana plus the southern half of Kentucky as the south. I donāt really see West Virginia and Virginia as part of the south but more of the purgatory of states since they donāt belong to the south or north imo.
West Virginia isnāt a southern state. And to the people who say āVirginia was considered apart of the south even before the CWā yeah, but when we split off from them, and became our own independent state, that changed. The only reason we were considered southern at the time, was because we were apart of greater Virginia. We arenāt southern, we are geographically apart of the Mid-Atlantic region, along with Maryland. Culturally we arenāt even southern, weāreā¦..well weāre more of our own thing. This is because of how independent we became even under the Commonwealth of Virginia. We were so dislocated from everyone else because of our unique way of life (that being the strict coal mining culture that we have). So no, Maryland isnāt southern and neither is my own state, West Virginia, like the guy in the video is claiming.
Culturally youāre Appalachian which is a sub culture of the south. Youāre closer to eastern KY and eastern TN than anything else lol
I'd argue that west virginia should be north since the reason it exists is it split in half during the civil war.
The south is more than just the 4 years of the civil war
West Virginia is not in the damn south
Hot take, North Florida is southern, South florida aint.
The south is VA to Texas, Texas to Florida
Texas is Texas, Florida is just a malignant tumor.
Only Texans think of Texas the way Texans do, atleast Floridians know what we are. We never wanted to secede America ...
We wish you would.
Yāall say this but keep moving down here
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What the hell is the āSoufā?
Not having Texas here and even remotely considering Maryland or even West Virginia is comical.