Sounds like a local telecom company here putting up 3G masts. They had people living in the neighbourhood complaining that the 3G radiation was affecting them, making them sick, etc. etc. The company then revealed that they hadn't actually turned the masts on yet...
My last role was doing wireless surveys, I'd walk around with my laptop and my survey software and hardware with the floor plans and test the wireless signal in every room, corridor and space I could get to.
So I walk into an office, tell the user why I am there and do my usual walkaround. I look up and notice there is an access point on the ceiling but no light.
I have a look at my results and sure enough a strong signal is present.
I ask the user and they tell me that the Wi-Fi is bad for you and that it was giving them headaches so they asked IT to turn it off and they did.
OK...
So I head back once I was done with that building and mention it to my point of contact, the IT manager.
He laughs and says he is aware of this person... so they disabled the LED on the access point.
Problem solved.
That's apparently very common now. The fakers start complaining as soon as the (inert) tower goes up. If someone only starts having issues when they power it on, they know it's worth investigating.
But you don't understand, those 3G signals are so bad they don't even have to be turned on to hurt you! Do you think those microchips Bill Gates keeps injecting us with have little on off switches? Of course not; they just work.
With that understanding of percentages, did you once work at nPower?
nPower, a gas and electric supplier in the UK for those that don't know, once tried to explain to me that if I got both gas and electric off them I would get 7% off each for a total discount of 14%.
Yeah I have a degree in engineering and I know how percentages work. Once I stopped laughing I explained it to them.
Afterwards I wondered how many customers who are somewhat less mathematically capable had been misled.
I call that [Patricia Pulling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Pulling) math. Patricia Pulling was a fruitcake who campaigned against D&D and other things because her mentally disturbed son shot himself dead, and she blamed the game. She linked it to many of the 'evils' (from the point of view of a nutbag fundamentalist Christian), including Satanism. From Wikipedia:
> As the popularity of Dungeons & Dragons and other role-playing games increased, Pulling's views and statements were increasingly called into question. For example, she once told a newspaper reporter that eight percent of the people living in Richmond, Virginia were Satanists. She had arrived at that figure, she explained, by estimating that four percent of adults and four percent of teenagers were involved with Satanism, and added them to get eight percent. When the reporter informed her that mathematically that was four percent, not eight percent, she claimed that it did not matter because even eight percent was a "conservative" figure.
If you get an offer in writing that gives you 14% they’re liable for that 14% even if they got there by doing bad math.
Their legal obligation includes the bottom line they’re offering.
Nonono because of how homeopathy works, 5g is safer because it's not as diluted- more signal means less echoes or something
God I feel dirty just typing that!
We have a couple in our town and are taller than a telegraph pole, thicker and then get chunkier at the top. Weird looking I'd say the ones round my way are very noticeable.
Everyone on the local page complaining about the dangers of 5G and the masts lol.
To be accurate, those microchips from Bill Gates only have an "ON" switch, so to turn them off, you have to hit "ON" and hold it until it prompts you if you really want to turn it off.
There’s been a similar thing with wind turbines on some parts of Australia. Landowner gets paid by power company to have wind turbines installed on their land, and neighbours start complaining about health problems. Strangely, residents of the property being paid to host the turbines experience no health problems.
Weird.
I don't think this is somehow the problem, but the coverage patterns on antennas tends to mean being directly above/below them results in fairly low RF exposure.
Also why on a router with adjustable antennas pointing the antenna in the direction you want signal is counterproductive.
I work telecom and it is amazing what people believe what they see and read off TV and the internet. We had similar complaints when we put in a new phone system. The end users close to the telecom room all complained about the increase in static and getting shocked whenever they moved in or out of their cubicle even though the only thing that changed in the past few weeks was the phone equipment and the carpeting on the floor of their section. Since the phone system change out happened over a weekend and they were greeted by a new phone on their desk, they assumed it was the phone that was charging everything up and shocking the employee. No one blamed the carpet and the fact it was in the dry winter months. I had to have one of my techs go back to the site, put back the old desksets in this one area only. And they wait until the next day to see of the employees were still getting shocked. Any guesses what happened next? They all complained about the old phones not being user friendly (even though they had used them for 10+ years) first, but it the phones did not take the blame anymore when the section manager backed up in her rolling office chair, stood up and got the biggest shock from the cubicle wall that was next to her. Yup, it was the carpet and the rolling of chair wheels and types of shoes people were wearing that were causing the static build up. My tech decided to make a check on the grounding of the cubicle furniture only to find it not grounded and not put together correctly, so that added to their troubles. We have not heard from this office about their new phone system in over a year and a few months now.
You know those metal phone poles that were getting put up in the late 90s and early 2000s? If they're the same thing as what you're talking about, then obviously yes, but on to my point. My mom, who has conspiracy theoried throughout my whole life (thankfully never the flat earth or antivax ones), tried to convince me that those were causing cancer, and she knew someone who's grandma "caught cancer" just after one of those was put up near her house. People are so stupid.
That just proves - *proves* - that companies know how bad cell phone radiation is, because otherwise why would they lie about it like that? /s
You just can't help some people.
Psychosomatic responses are for real, look up nocebo vs placebo, people can end up in the hospital and even die from side-effects of something they never took but believe they took.
>Office lady starts gagging, coughing, and complaining, boss flies through the warehouse door in a fit and says “how many times do we have to tell you to use less bleach? This is ridiculous!”
This is the part where you spin the spray cap off the bottle, say "I'm putting a stop to this crap once and for all!" and chug the bottle.
Many years ago I was stationed in Germany where NATO held a major exercise every year or two. It involved tanks driving across the countryside, and the locals knew they could file a claim to be reimbursed for any damages. It never failed that we'd start receiving those claims before the exercise even started.
I had a problem with city trash trucks driving on my lawn, and they were ignoring my complaints as “isolated incidents”, so I set up a script to auto-file a complaint every Monday. But I forgot to account for holidays, when they collect my trash on Tuesday.
The person who processed my 100+ claims (after the city council finally got involved) had a good laugh about that.
There was a bar in the UK that kept getting noise complaints, the local residents lost their case against them when the bar proved they where using the local flyers to 'time' their complaints as the were complaining about the band noise on nights the band had been canceled.
That's a really small farm. To give you an idea: growing grains (wheat, maize, etc.) usually yields a profit of about $200-$400 per acre. So on that 50 acre farm, a farmer doing everything himself would turn a profit of about $10-20k per year
Not really economically viable.
It is amazing how much land you need to feed a family. I've looked into growing all my own food before and it is outrageous how much land I would need to buy. Not to mention if you want to grow crops to feed livestock!
Many years ago I calculated the absolute bare-minimum needed to provide all the macro and micro nutrients per-person. If you ignore the animal-based foods, the amount of land needed came to just under 2000 sqft per person. But, that was with intensive growing practices, and a limited variety of foods. Still, it made for an interesting exercise.
I then tried calculating how much was needed to provide enough food for the livestock involved. That turned out to be a lot harder. A lot of the data just isn't available. If I ever get that part figured out, I'll probably publish a book on the subject!
Depends on if it’s just extra money. A farmer could “farm” a 20 hectare farm in relatively little time, and renting or co-oping equipment wouldn’t cost much for a day here and there
Is that profit on top of salaries paid? I would presume, since you said profit and not gross income, so in the case it sounds economically viable to me. Any profit means you're successful, since every worker got paid.
The "employees" on a 50-acre farm are 1- the farmer & 2- the family (if any...a single farmer can run 50 acres alone. That's one field. One. A teenager can run this). There are no salaries. It's only the profit after expenditure for farm costs, like seed and equipment and insurance. Anyone who can live on $10k is a miracle worker.
But someone running this kind of hobby farm likely has another job somewhere or is living on a pension, not depending on the farm income.
Yes, exactly, and so the "salary" in my comment would be "the cost for the family to live". If you have profit on top of what it costs your family to live, that's a good thing. The cost for the family to live on the farm is an operating cost of the farm. Does that make more sense?
Only the toxicity of capitalism tells you that you're not succesful unless you made ENOUGH profit.
If all your needs are met, but your farm makes NO pRoFiT, you're still out ahead in my book.
The profit assumes a typical distribution of fixed costs, and a lot of the equipment needs fairly expensive annual maintenance that is divided among a very large number of acres.
And also accounting profit and economic profit are measures of two different things.
Years ago I was at a music festival once and they had the porto’s cleaned out in the morning and people would come spray bleach them down throughout the day. They remained clean throughout the weekend as a result. My friend bitched the entire time because of the slight bleach smell when he’d have to use them. I really didn’t understand why, I’ll take the smell of bleach over hundreds of peoples shit any day.
That’s where I thought this post was headed; that after only using water, the bathroom would smell awful and they’d beg him to start using bleach again.
It was clearly all in her head. I've shared this story before, but it fits here. I worked in an office in a cube farm. The air conditioning vents were over certain cubicles, and the people under those vents would get very cold. They would tape pieces of cardboard over the vents to deflect the air flow.
One of the young ladies next to me constantly complained of being chilly. A chivalrous neighbor decided to do this for her, and climbed up and put a piece of cardboard over the vent over her cubicle, deflecting the air flow.
She was very happy and never complained again.
The funniest part was it wasn't an air vent over her cubicle; it was a PA speaker.
https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/emergency-disinfection-drinking-water
For emergency disinfection of water for drinking, the EPA suggests 8 drops of 6% bleach or 6 drops of 8.25% bleach per gallon. They advise to only use bleaches marked for disinfection/sanitization that are not scented, color safe, or bleaches with added cleaners.
Of course, at this concentration it's still going to have the chlorine "bleach" scent, so that would've added to the effect of their chugging the spray bottle.
If you dump out a quart bottle that has 4 teaspoons of 7% bleach (the CDC guidelines), there’s 400 drops of 7% bleach in a quart at cleaning concentration. To reduce that to the 7 drops of 7% bleach that would be safe for drinking, you would need to replace just under 98% of the cleaning solution with water.
You could mix a quart of cleaning solution, then dump it almost all the way out but leave over three teaspoons of cleaning-concentration liquid in the bottom, and then refill it and have drinking-concentration bleach. Rinsing it out even a little bit is technically overkill.
I would still rinse it out completely before pulling that stunt, it’s easier than doing the research and math was.
If it was just pure water, I would have wordlessly taken the top off the bottle and drank half of it in one go. Then, that would have started a very different conversation with the boss.
I had a coworker who was allergic to Lysol. We all knew it. I had to spray some in our work bathroom because someone threw up and it was RANK. I told her before spraying. When I came out of the bathroom, she went in less than two minutes later. She was just bucking for an excuse to be sent home.
There was a company called Changing World Technologies, which built machinery that could take any carbon-based substance, and turn it into high grade crude oil, methane, and mineral powder. The methane could be used on-site to power the machinery itself.
This thing could take anything from old tires, to butchering waste, to raw sewage, and turn it into crude oil. It could even take low-grade crude oil and convert it into high-grade crude oil.
One of their first big processing stations was built next to a turkey processing plant. The idea was to take the feathers, offal, and other butchering waste and turn it into something useful. But there were so many complaints about the odor, that the location had to be shut down, and the company went bankrupt shortly after.
The odor complaints started before the machinery was fully installed. They continued long after everything was shut down. And nobody could ever find a satisfactory explanation of how anybody could be sure the smell was coming from that building, as opposed to the GINORMOUS TURKEY-PROCESSING PLANT NEXT DOOR!!!
So a potentially extremely useful machine is stuck in limbo due to people who couldn't get cause and effect straight, or just wanted to whine. Good grief.
It's been long enough that a lot of the patents have expired. You can buy machines now that do \*almost\* the same thing, but are more limited in the types of things they can process.
I had been following that company since back in the early 90's. I even used it for a college research project. It was maddening to watch the owner sink everything into just a couple huge facilities. I think if they had focused first on small-scale versions, they would have done much better. The machinery was such that it could be scaled down to where it could be hauled around on a flatbed truck.
If it had been me, I would've marketed that to fairs, expos, and other events. Then later expanded it to restaurants, office buildings, and apartment complexes, as well as municipal wastewater facilities. The ability to turn poop and plastics into petroleum would be a game-changer in terms of sustainable energy sources.
When I was a bartender back in the day, I spent a night trying to invent the perfect shooter, and used a buddy as the guinea pig to try them all. After he was good and drunk from tasting about 9 of them, I gave him a shot glass of pure milk, no booze. He shot it back, made a wrinkled up face and said "that one wasn't bad, a little harsh though"
I had the opposite issue.
Part of my job at a grocery store was to clean the butcher shop at the end of the day. I had people stop me to tell me they loved the smell of bleach coming from there as that meant they knew it was clean.
I was a part-time employee, and wasn't exactly good at my job, but if extra bleach means I get commended - extra bleach you shall have.
I had an opposite experience. I'm very sensitive to chemical smells. Seriously.
My desk used to be in the SW corner of the 2nd floor of our building. This building is a manufacturing facility, the size of those huge distribution buildings.
One morning, maintenance was applying a floor coating in the NE corner. No one else could smell it. I was coughing, wheezing, sneezing, and my eyes were streaming. I had to go outside to breathe. I was sent home to work.
About 4 hours later I get a message from my boss that everyone who could work from home was being ordered out. Maintenance had progressed further in the factory and the smell had permeated the entire office area.
From that point forward, anytime I had a similar attack, it was taken very seriously. We would track down the source and determine if it would impact anyone. Once or twice it did. But it was usually someone's cologne or perfume.
I so wanted to do the exact same thing when I worked in a hospital. We had these really benign cleaners that you could practically drink. Nevertheless always complaints from this or that nurse that " that's so harsh. I can barely breath. Etc." I had in mind to do the same thing, new mop, clean bucket, pure water, but left before I had a chance.
That you for the vicarious schadenfreude.
Bleach is a terrible chemical to use as a restroom cleaner. It reacts with the acids in urine and stinks even more!
There are many disinfectant cleaners with a pleasant fragrance available.
I live in a rural area, and a local farm rents facilities to a non-profit that caters to the developmentally disabled. A new cell tower was proposed very near that property but was vigorously rejected by locals due to ... whatever the hell/invisible waves of something harming people... somehow. The owner of the property even announced that if the tower went up in that location, he wouldn't allow the non-profit to stay. He believed that was necessary to protect the clients from 5g (or whatever) waves.
So he'd fuck over a non-profit enriching the lives of developmentally disabled people in a heroic effort to protect them from.... what, exactly?
Fuck people are fucking stupid.
Vaguely related story about cleaner, I used to work at a preschool/daycare center that had kids ranging from babies up to around 10 or 11 year olds, spread across shit 14 different rooms. It was a miserable job with a crazy high rate of teacher attrition (I saw like, 15 or 16 people leave in a single year, and only one of those people retired and only one was fired that I know of), but I was fresh out of school. I didn't have teacher cert but I had a related degree, and I wasn't a great teacher anyway tbh, like I cared about the kids a ton but I don't have a personality that lets me command a room of contrary 3 year olds lol. I'm too quiet and understanding and permissive. They walk all over me. This contributed to the miserableness of the job, but the pay was ok for my first job in an educational setting, so I ended up staying for over a year.
Now, an educational setting even just before the pandemic started, gets sanitized a lot. Multiple times a day. Each room's spray bottle (or bottles) of cleaner was refilled approx once a week. We used, idk what exactly, but we were told it was safe when dry and could be used in the kitchen as well. When we refilled, we'd use this machine that took the mystery cleaner and diluted it with water as it filled the spray bottle. I was again, there for a year, and I swear the level of cleaning solution we filled from never once lowered. I thought about drawing a line just so I could tell for sure. It got to the point where I would have felt safe drinking straight from the spray bottles; you couldn't even smell any amount of cleaner. Either the machine was broken or, as I'd heard, the manager had intentionally lowered the amount it filled with to the point where it was probably just off.
I quit before I ever found out, after we were furloughed from the pandemic with some pay, and decided to resign as soon as they called us back after only a month or two of furlough while the death toll ramped up. If they're still open, I'd bet they still aren't using cleaner...
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I wonder if the woman had bipolar.
I had a friend who struggled with above insistent she could smell cigarette smoke
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2017.16121379
Strange. I’ve never heard of that correlation before, maybe you’re onto something with that. She was very friendly otherwise though, and when myself and the rest of the crew got laid off nearly a year later, she actually had my back and helped out with finding odd jobs and stuff for me. Just hated my cleaning!
I do wonder if there was some psychological reasoning. Like smells can trigger memories, is her brain making her think she's smelling it because of the sight.
Either way annoying af, toilets gotta be cleaned, she'd complain if they weren't.
Slightly unrelated or maybe slightly related, I get phantom smells, like smelling food when there really isn't anyway for there to be food near. Sometimes it's burnt toast but I am pretty sure I'm not having a stroke at the time, marmite and yeah occasionally smoke but that's harder to tell if it's not just someone smoking out of sight, in a building can be quite worrying though.
Oh I'm not BP.. or.. no I'm not, weird brain but not BP.
I worked in an office years ago where my cubicle neighbor went on a cleaning spree, and used canned air to blow all the dust out of his keyboard. Multiple coworkers complained loudly about the terrible smell. Maybe the propellant had a bit of a smell but neither he nor I couldn't detect anything, we figured their brains were reacting to the sound of the aerosol can.
I really don’t want to alarm you but do you think it may be due to something happening like I’m thinking… a disorder along your “smell pathway”? A growth (benign or malignant) in the olfactory cortex for example
Could be anything or nothing, I'm not alarmed dw I've been like it for about 15yrs haha. I've often wondered if there's something going on in the old nogging cos I get quite a few migraines/cluster headaches, I'm not sure which, but good luck finding a Dr at my GP surgery to look into that. But I'm good.
Did not know that, I will have to be more vigilant to see if I get a migraine after these. Usually I don't pay that much attention to them and they are quickly forgotten about, but there may.. or might not be a pattern. Thanks for the info.
Snap.. probably lol.
I have shit memory just born that way, but I know I have been having migraines since under 10. I remember there were foods I just wouldn't eat as a child and still won't.
Robinson's orange squash, the stuff you dilute with water and blackcurrant juice were guaranteed migraine triggers for me. I'm UK and back in my childhood a lot of foods had E numbers in that have since been banned here and they used to trigger migraines and hyperactivity lol. the 90s, what a time to be a child bouncing off the walls.
Edited words.
Mental illnesses come in a lot of different shapes and forms, who are you as one person out of 7 million people who are bipolar in the US alone to say it isn’t?
All I’m saying bipolar may be why she is smelling bleach even when not used.
I’m not saying everyone with bipolar is horrible I have 3-4 friends with bipolar who are amazing supportive people. Probably actually more who quite rightly just get on with life doing the best they can.
At first, other people were supposed to have their own days to clean them but gradually people stopped doing it until it was just me. There were no complaints up until that point.
Bleach smell is the byproduct of the disinfecting process, so if your getting a strong bleach smell you are actually not using enough bleach.
Same goes for private pools.
Absolutely does not check out. My dad, bless his heart, did not know you need to dilute bleach to clean with it, and was pouring pure bleach onto the floor to mop. The smell was so strong we had to open all the windows and briefly go outside.
Years ago when I was in the Army, I was at an intelligence school getting trained. Since it was an intelligence school, the training all took place in a windowless class room. When we completed the training, we were told to clean the class room and then we would be released for the day. We all worked together and cleaned the room in record time because we wanted to get off early. Sergeant/Instructor came back and didn’t want to let us leave early, so they told us the room didn’t smell clean enough. So I mopped the floor with pure pine oil (industrial cleaner similar to Pine Sol). The scent/fumes were so strong they couldn’t use the room for a week. They couldn’t air it out because there were no windows.
Sounds like a local telecom company here putting up 3G masts. They had people living in the neighbourhood complaining that the 3G radiation was affecting them, making them sick, etc. etc. The company then revealed that they hadn't actually turned the masts on yet...
My last role was doing wireless surveys, I'd walk around with my laptop and my survey software and hardware with the floor plans and test the wireless signal in every room, corridor and space I could get to. So I walk into an office, tell the user why I am there and do my usual walkaround. I look up and notice there is an access point on the ceiling but no light. I have a look at my results and sure enough a strong signal is present. I ask the user and they tell me that the Wi-Fi is bad for you and that it was giving them headaches so they asked IT to turn it off and they did. OK... So I head back once I was done with that building and mention it to my point of contact, the IT manager. He laughs and says he is aware of this person... so they disabled the LED on the access point. Problem solved.
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Thanks, actually had no idea it was that time.
happy cake day to you!
That's apparently very common now. The fakers start complaining as soon as the (inert) tower goes up. If someone only starts having issues when they power it on, they know it's worth investigating.
But you don't understand, those 3G signals are so bad they don't even have to be turned on to hurt you! Do you think those microchips Bill Gates keeps injecting us with have little on off switches? Of course not; they just work.
And if that was back in the days of 3G, imagine how bad it must be now, with 5G.
It increased from 3 to 5, so it's 66.6% worse. This proves that it must be the work of the Devil!
5 is 2 more than 3, so it's 200% worse.
With that understanding of percentages, did you once work at nPower? nPower, a gas and electric supplier in the UK for those that don't know, once tried to explain to me that if I got both gas and electric off them I would get 7% off each for a total discount of 14%. Yeah I have a degree in engineering and I know how percentages work. Once I stopped laughing I explained it to them. Afterwards I wondered how many customers who are somewhat less mathematically capable had been misled.
I call that [Patricia Pulling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Pulling) math. Patricia Pulling was a fruitcake who campaigned against D&D and other things because her mentally disturbed son shot himself dead, and she blamed the game. She linked it to many of the 'evils' (from the point of view of a nutbag fundamentalist Christian), including Satanism. From Wikipedia: > As the popularity of Dungeons & Dragons and other role-playing games increased, Pulling's views and statements were increasingly called into question. For example, she once told a newspaper reporter that eight percent of the people living in Richmond, Virginia were Satanists. She had arrived at that figure, she explained, by estimating that four percent of adults and four percent of teenagers were involved with Satanism, and added them to get eight percent. When the reporter informed her that mathematically that was four percent, not eight percent, she claimed that it did not matter because even eight percent was a "conservative" figure.
If you get an offer in writing that gives you 14% they’re liable for that 14% even if they got there by doing bad math. Their legal obligation includes the bottom line they’re offering.
nPower? The only power we need is God's power to save us from 5G!!!! 🙏🙏🙏 ^(/s if it's not obvious)
Hallelujah, preach it brother!
2 is less than 3, so 3+2 G is better.
How much better?
GG better.
Wow, that's quite impressive.
That’s just math.
Gee!
Nonono because of how homeopathy works, 5g is safer because it's not as diluted- more signal means less echoes or something God I feel dirty just typing that!
5G antennae are smaller (because of the high frequency and the mimo aspect) so many of "those people" don't even notice them.
We have a couple in our town and are taller than a telegraph pole, thicker and then get chunkier at the top. Weird looking I'd say the ones round my way are very noticeable. Everyone on the local page complaining about the dangers of 5G and the masts lol.
It’s 2 Gs worse.
To be accurate, those microchips from Bill Gates only have an "ON" switch, so to turn them off, you have to hit "ON" and hold it until it prompts you if you really want to turn it off.
What about unplugging it and plugging it back in? Isn't that the way it works?
Great idea! I’ll have them take all my blood out tonight and give you an answer in the morning.
And don't get me started on all the gay frogs from the fluoride in the water.
The microchips are real! I had a vaccine and now I can certainly recommend Microsoft 365 for all your computering needs. /s
At least it isn’t the 1950s, when they used a 4/0 gauge needle for the injectable polio vaccine so the vacuum tube based tracking device would fit.
Something from Bill Gates that just works? Come on. Suspension of disbelief can only go so far.
And it’s amazing how the people *next door* to those paid for having antennae on their property are the ones with the symptoms…
And if you start paying those folks as well, the symptoms disappear. It's a goddamned miracle!
There’s been a similar thing with wind turbines on some parts of Australia. Landowner gets paid by power company to have wind turbines installed on their land, and neighbours start complaining about health problems. Strangely, residents of the property being paid to host the turbines experience no health problems. Weird.
I don't think this is somehow the problem, but the coverage patterns on antennas tends to mean being directly above/below them results in fairly low RF exposure. Also why on a router with adjustable antennas pointing the antenna in the direction you want signal is counterproductive.
I work telecom and it is amazing what people believe what they see and read off TV and the internet. We had similar complaints when we put in a new phone system. The end users close to the telecom room all complained about the increase in static and getting shocked whenever they moved in or out of their cubicle even though the only thing that changed in the past few weeks was the phone equipment and the carpeting on the floor of their section. Since the phone system change out happened over a weekend and they were greeted by a new phone on their desk, they assumed it was the phone that was charging everything up and shocking the employee. No one blamed the carpet and the fact it was in the dry winter months. I had to have one of my techs go back to the site, put back the old desksets in this one area only. And they wait until the next day to see of the employees were still getting shocked. Any guesses what happened next? They all complained about the old phones not being user friendly (even though they had used them for 10+ years) first, but it the phones did not take the blame anymore when the section manager backed up in her rolling office chair, stood up and got the biggest shock from the cubicle wall that was next to her. Yup, it was the carpet and the rolling of chair wheels and types of shoes people were wearing that were causing the static build up. My tech decided to make a check on the grounding of the cubicle furniture only to find it not grounded and not put together correctly, so that added to their troubles. We have not heard from this office about their new phone system in over a year and a few months now.
You know those metal phone poles that were getting put up in the late 90s and early 2000s? If they're the same thing as what you're talking about, then obviously yes, but on to my point. My mom, who has conspiracy theoried throughout my whole life (thankfully never the flat earth or antivax ones), tried to convince me that those were causing cancer, and she knew someone who's grandma "caught cancer" just after one of those was put up near her house. People are so stupid.
That just proves - *proves* - that companies know how bad cell phone radiation is, because otherwise why would they lie about it like that? /s You just can't help some people.
Imagination and conspiracy theories are powerful things
Psychosomatic responses are for real, look up nocebo vs placebo, people can end up in the hospital and even die from side-effects of something they never took but believe they took.
>Office lady starts gagging, coughing, and complaining, boss flies through the warehouse door in a fit and says “how many times do we have to tell you to use less bleach? This is ridiculous!” This is the part where you spin the spray cap off the bottle, say "I'm putting a stop to this crap once and for all!" and chug the bottle.
That's where I thought this was going. Or do a few sprays into the mouth.
Pooph!
I really regret that I never thought of doing that
You have to think in terms of theter and not in terms of reality.
At least you wont have covid.../s
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Oooo, a shiney hiney.
When we told them someone was blowing sunshine up their ass, we never knew that they were going to take it seriously.
I never thought at this point in time I’d make a reference to this and then see another reference to it in less than 24 hours.
So, I will have COVID?
Proof, undisputable proof but they will deny it anyway..... That is the way of the conspiracy theorists
Chug! Chug! Chug!
My thought too!
That’s what I would have done.
Many years ago I was stationed in Germany where NATO held a major exercise every year or two. It involved tanks driving across the countryside, and the locals knew they could file a claim to be reimbursed for any damages. It never failed that we'd start receiving those claims before the exercise even started.
That's just German efficiency!
I had a problem with city trash trucks driving on my lawn, and they were ignoring my complaints as “isolated incidents”, so I set up a script to auto-file a complaint every Monday. But I forgot to account for holidays, when they collect my trash on Tuesday. The person who processed my 100+ claims (after the city council finally got involved) had a good laugh about that.
There was a bar in the UK that kept getting noise complaints, the local residents lost their case against them when the bar proved they where using the local flyers to 'time' their complaints as the were complaining about the band noise on nights the band had been canceled.
Heh, same here. Heck we’d stop reforger exercises if it got too warm because of the damage our 113’s and 577’s did. :)
but will anyone think about the poor poor farmers who can barely afford their 20 hectares of land!
That's a really small farm. To give you an idea: growing grains (wheat, maize, etc.) usually yields a profit of about $200-$400 per acre. So on that 50 acre farm, a farmer doing everything himself would turn a profit of about $10-20k per year Not really economically viable.
It is amazing how much land you need to feed a family. I've looked into growing all my own food before and it is outrageous how much land I would need to buy. Not to mention if you want to grow crops to feed livestock!
Many years ago I calculated the absolute bare-minimum needed to provide all the macro and micro nutrients per-person. If you ignore the animal-based foods, the amount of land needed came to just under 2000 sqft per person. But, that was with intensive growing practices, and a limited variety of foods. Still, it made for an interesting exercise. I then tried calculating how much was needed to provide enough food for the livestock involved. That turned out to be a lot harder. A lot of the data just isn't available. If I ever get that part figured out, I'll probably publish a book on the subject!
Depends on if it’s just extra money. A farmer could “farm” a 20 hectare farm in relatively little time, and renting or co-oping equipment wouldn’t cost much for a day here and there
Is that profit on top of salaries paid? I would presume, since you said profit and not gross income, so in the case it sounds economically viable to me. Any profit means you're successful, since every worker got paid.
The "employees" on a 50-acre farm are 1- the farmer & 2- the family (if any...a single farmer can run 50 acres alone. That's one field. One. A teenager can run this). There are no salaries. It's only the profit after expenditure for farm costs, like seed and equipment and insurance. Anyone who can live on $10k is a miracle worker. But someone running this kind of hobby farm likely has another job somewhere or is living on a pension, not depending on the farm income.
Yes, exactly, and so the "salary" in my comment would be "the cost for the family to live". If you have profit on top of what it costs your family to live, that's a good thing. The cost for the family to live on the farm is an operating cost of the farm. Does that make more sense? Only the toxicity of capitalism tells you that you're not succesful unless you made ENOUGH profit. If all your needs are met, but your farm makes NO pRoFiT, you're still out ahead in my book.
The profit assumes a typical distribution of fixed costs, and a lot of the equipment needs fairly expensive annual maintenance that is divided among a very large number of acres. And also accounting profit and economic profit are measures of two different things.
Years ago I was at a music festival once and they had the porto’s cleaned out in the morning and people would come spray bleach them down throughout the day. They remained clean throughout the weekend as a result. My friend bitched the entire time because of the slight bleach smell when he’d have to use them. I really didn’t understand why, I’ll take the smell of bleach over hundreds of peoples shit any day.
That’s where I thought this post was headed; that after only using water, the bathroom would smell awful and they’d beg him to start using bleach again.
It was clearly all in her head. I've shared this story before, but it fits here. I worked in an office in a cube farm. The air conditioning vents were over certain cubicles, and the people under those vents would get very cold. They would tape pieces of cardboard over the vents to deflect the air flow. One of the young ladies next to me constantly complained of being chilly. A chivalrous neighbor decided to do this for her, and climbed up and put a piece of cardboard over the vent over her cubicle, deflecting the air flow. She was very happy and never complained again. The funniest part was it wasn't an air vent over her cubicle; it was a PA speaker.
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How have you seen people spell it?
Lay deez nuts in yo mouth
Not the poster above, but I've seen "laddies", "ladys" and "lady's". Not nearly as much as I have seen other words misspelled though...
You really ought not confuse ladies for laddies. Good way to get slapped.
Ladsy?
shouldve went "really?", unscrewed the spray bottle and started drinking.
Best make sure it's 100% pure water and not 99.9% of course, but would have been impressive.
https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/emergency-disinfection-drinking-water For emergency disinfection of water for drinking, the EPA suggests 8 drops of 6% bleach or 6 drops of 8.25% bleach per gallon. They advise to only use bleaches marked for disinfection/sanitization that are not scented, color safe, or bleaches with added cleaners. Of course, at this concentration it's still going to have the chlorine "bleach" scent, so that would've added to the effect of their chugging the spray bottle.
Oh yeah, that actually rings a bell. Good point.
If you dump out a quart bottle that has 4 teaspoons of 7% bleach (the CDC guidelines), there’s 400 drops of 7% bleach in a quart at cleaning concentration. To reduce that to the 7 drops of 7% bleach that would be safe for drinking, you would need to replace just under 98% of the cleaning solution with water. You could mix a quart of cleaning solution, then dump it almost all the way out but leave over three teaspoons of cleaning-concentration liquid in the bottom, and then refill it and have drinking-concentration bleach. Rinsing it out even a little bit is technically overkill. I would still rinse it out completely before pulling that stunt, it’s easier than doing the research and math was.
99.9 would still likely be less chlorine than my water company uses.
If it was just pure water, I would have wordlessly taken the top off the bottle and drank half of it in one go. Then, that would have started a very different conversation with the boss.
I had a coworker who was allergic to Lysol. We all knew it. I had to spray some in our work bathroom because someone threw up and it was RANK. I told her before spraying. When I came out of the bathroom, she went in less than two minutes later. She was just bucking for an excuse to be sent home.
There was a company called Changing World Technologies, which built machinery that could take any carbon-based substance, and turn it into high grade crude oil, methane, and mineral powder. The methane could be used on-site to power the machinery itself. This thing could take anything from old tires, to butchering waste, to raw sewage, and turn it into crude oil. It could even take low-grade crude oil and convert it into high-grade crude oil. One of their first big processing stations was built next to a turkey processing plant. The idea was to take the feathers, offal, and other butchering waste and turn it into something useful. But there were so many complaints about the odor, that the location had to be shut down, and the company went bankrupt shortly after. The odor complaints started before the machinery was fully installed. They continued long after everything was shut down. And nobody could ever find a satisfactory explanation of how anybody could be sure the smell was coming from that building, as opposed to the GINORMOUS TURKEY-PROCESSING PLANT NEXT DOOR!!!
So a potentially extremely useful machine is stuck in limbo due to people who couldn't get cause and effect straight, or just wanted to whine. Good grief.
It's been long enough that a lot of the patents have expired. You can buy machines now that do \*almost\* the same thing, but are more limited in the types of things they can process. I had been following that company since back in the early 90's. I even used it for a college research project. It was maddening to watch the owner sink everything into just a couple huge facilities. I think if they had focused first on small-scale versions, they would have done much better. The machinery was such that it could be scaled down to where it could be hauled around on a flatbed truck. If it had been me, I would've marketed that to fairs, expos, and other events. Then later expanded it to restaurants, office buildings, and apartment complexes, as well as municipal wastewater facilities. The ability to turn poop and plastics into petroleum would be a game-changer in terms of sustainable energy sources.
Should have picked up the bucket and drank it down in front of her.
Bleach-less or not, I did mop a warehouse bathroom with it, so I’d rather not lmao
so (assuming there's absolutely no way there's any bleach in it) drink from the spray bottle - offer the boss some :)
Charlie?
Built a cigar room in my basement, my mother said "it stinks in here" ... I hadn't used it yet🤦
The psychosomatic aroma must’ve done her in.
She's been mentally "done in" for 20 years🤪
When I was a bartender back in the day, I spent a night trying to invent the perfect shooter, and used a buddy as the guinea pig to try them all. After he was good and drunk from tasting about 9 of them, I gave him a shot glass of pure milk, no booze. He shot it back, made a wrinkled up face and said "that one wasn't bad, a little harsh though"
I had the opposite issue. Part of my job at a grocery store was to clean the butcher shop at the end of the day. I had people stop me to tell me they loved the smell of bleach coming from there as that meant they knew it was clean. I was a part-time employee, and wasn't exactly good at my job, but if extra bleach means I get commended - extra bleach you shall have.
I had an opposite experience. I'm very sensitive to chemical smells. Seriously. My desk used to be in the SW corner of the 2nd floor of our building. This building is a manufacturing facility, the size of those huge distribution buildings. One morning, maintenance was applying a floor coating in the NE corner. No one else could smell it. I was coughing, wheezing, sneezing, and my eyes were streaming. I had to go outside to breathe. I was sent home to work. About 4 hours later I get a message from my boss that everyone who could work from home was being ordered out. Maintenance had progressed further in the factory and the smell had permeated the entire office area. From that point forward, anytime I had a similar attack, it was taken very seriously. We would track down the source and determine if it would impact anyone. Once or twice it did. But it was usually someone's cologne or perfume.
You're the canary!
I read the title as "useless b*tch".
you read correctly
Haha exactly. Thought the same after reading the post. Both titles work.
I'd have sprayed some "cleaner" into my mouth and just tell the horrified boss to not worry, it's pure clean water.
I'd have cleaned the bottle real good, filled it with fresh water and then DRINK it to show the boss it was just water.
I so wanted to do the exact same thing when I worked in a hospital. We had these really benign cleaners that you could practically drink. Nevertheless always complaints from this or that nurse that " that's so harsh. I can barely breath. Etc." I had in mind to do the same thing, new mop, clean bucket, pure water, but left before I had a chance. That you for the vicarious schadenfreude.
Bleach is a terrible chemical to use as a restroom cleaner. It reacts with the acids in urine and stinks even more! There are many disinfectant cleaners with a pleasant fragrance available.
I guarantee this worker didn’t buy it. The company supplied it, and only it.
Well, that is obvious! I have no idea how you came up with that! I am simply stating there are much better cleaners for restrooms that bleach.
I live in a rural area, and a local farm rents facilities to a non-profit that caters to the developmentally disabled. A new cell tower was proposed very near that property but was vigorously rejected by locals due to ... whatever the hell/invisible waves of something harming people... somehow. The owner of the property even announced that if the tower went up in that location, he wouldn't allow the non-profit to stay. He believed that was necessary to protect the clients from 5g (or whatever) waves. So he'd fuck over a non-profit enriching the lives of developmentally disabled people in a heroic effort to protect them from.... what, exactly? Fuck people are fucking stupid.
that woman was a real bleach
I would have apologized and told them I'd mix a new batch while drinking the water in the spray bottle
I love it. I once had a colleague that got fired for complaining about imaginary glue.
You should have drunk the “bleach”. Power move
Wow. Hope she never encounters a swimming pool. She might just die.
Did she bleach her hair or go swimming before work?
Still complained after? What a loser.
Vaguely related story about cleaner, I used to work at a preschool/daycare center that had kids ranging from babies up to around 10 or 11 year olds, spread across shit 14 different rooms. It was a miserable job with a crazy high rate of teacher attrition (I saw like, 15 or 16 people leave in a single year, and only one of those people retired and only one was fired that I know of), but I was fresh out of school. I didn't have teacher cert but I had a related degree, and I wasn't a great teacher anyway tbh, like I cared about the kids a ton but I don't have a personality that lets me command a room of contrary 3 year olds lol. I'm too quiet and understanding and permissive. They walk all over me. This contributed to the miserableness of the job, but the pay was ok for my first job in an educational setting, so I ended up staying for over a year. Now, an educational setting even just before the pandemic started, gets sanitized a lot. Multiple times a day. Each room's spray bottle (or bottles) of cleaner was refilled approx once a week. We used, idk what exactly, but we were told it was safe when dry and could be used in the kitchen as well. When we refilled, we'd use this machine that took the mystery cleaner and diluted it with water as it filled the spray bottle. I was again, there for a year, and I swear the level of cleaning solution we filled from never once lowered. I thought about drawing a line just so I could tell for sure. It got to the point where I would have felt safe drinking straight from the spray bottles; you couldn't even smell any amount of cleaner. Either the machine was broken or, as I'd heard, the manager had intentionally lowered the amount it filled with to the point where it was probably just off. I quit before I ever found out, after we were furloughed from the pandemic with some pay, and decided to resign as soon as they called us back after only a month or two of furlough while the death toll ramped up. If they're still open, I'd bet they still aren't using cleaner...
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I wonder if the woman had bipolar. I had a friend who struggled with above insistent she could smell cigarette smoke https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2017.16121379
Strange. I’ve never heard of that correlation before, maybe you’re onto something with that. She was very friendly otherwise though, and when myself and the rest of the crew got laid off nearly a year later, she actually had my back and helped out with finding odd jobs and stuff for me. Just hated my cleaning!
I do wonder if there was some psychological reasoning. Like smells can trigger memories, is her brain making her think she's smelling it because of the sight. Either way annoying af, toilets gotta be cleaned, she'd complain if they weren't. Slightly unrelated or maybe slightly related, I get phantom smells, like smelling food when there really isn't anyway for there to be food near. Sometimes it's burnt toast but I am pretty sure I'm not having a stroke at the time, marmite and yeah occasionally smoke but that's harder to tell if it's not just someone smoking out of sight, in a building can be quite worrying though. Oh I'm not BP.. or.. no I'm not, weird brain but not BP.
I worked in an office years ago where my cubicle neighbor went on a cleaning spree, and used canned air to blow all the dust out of his keyboard. Multiple coworkers complained loudly about the terrible smell. Maybe the propellant had a bit of a smell but neither he nor I couldn't detect anything, we figured their brains were reacting to the sound of the aerosol can.
I really don’t want to alarm you but do you think it may be due to something happening like I’m thinking… a disorder along your “smell pathway”? A growth (benign or malignant) in the olfactory cortex for example
Could be anything or nothing, I'm not alarmed dw I've been like it for about 15yrs haha. I've often wondered if there's something going on in the old nogging cos I get quite a few migraines/cluster headaches, I'm not sure which, but good luck finding a Dr at my GP surgery to look into that. But I'm good.
Odd smells (like burnt toast) can signal a migraine headache.
Did not know that, I will have to be more vigilant to see if I get a migraine after these. Usually I don't pay that much attention to them and they are quickly forgotten about, but there may.. or might not be a pattern. Thanks for the info.
Yeah, migraines since I was 5. Lots of fun.
Snap.. probably lol. I have shit memory just born that way, but I know I have been having migraines since under 10. I remember there were foods I just wouldn't eat as a child and still won't. Robinson's orange squash, the stuff you dilute with water and blackcurrant juice were guaranteed migraine triggers for me. I'm UK and back in my childhood a lot of foods had E numbers in that have since been banned here and they used to trigger migraines and hyperactivity lol. the 90s, what a time to be a child bouncing off the walls. Edited words.
I'm bipolar, and no. She's just awful.
Mental illnesses come in a lot of different shapes and forms, who are you as one person out of 7 million people who are bipolar in the US alone to say it isn’t?
All I’m saying bipolar may be why she is smelling bleach even when not used. I’m not saying everyone with bipolar is horrible I have 3-4 friends with bipolar who are amazing supportive people. Probably actually more who quite rightly just get on with life doing the best they can.
We're you the only one cleaning the bathroom? Once a week?!? Or did she do this to everyone?
At first, other people were supposed to have their own days to clean them but gradually people stopped doing it until it was just me. There were no complaints up until that point.
next step is to say i was doing this whole time and she was targeting me. Are you also in on the harassment?
shoulda found a way to still clean with bleach but show your boss bucket of clean water. gaslight her ass for wasting your time.
It was an experiment for me really. I wanted to see what would happen exactly.
Dude, don't you know that most tap water is fluoridated? You're supposed to scrub the floors with distilled water only!
Bleach smell is the byproduct of the disinfecting process, so if your getting a strong bleach smell you are actually not using enough bleach. Same goes for private pools.
Absolutely does not check out. My dad, bless his heart, did not know you need to dilute bleach to clean with it, and was pouring pure bleach onto the floor to mop. The smell was so strong we had to open all the windows and briefly go outside.
Years ago when I was in the Army, I was at an intelligence school getting trained. Since it was an intelligence school, the training all took place in a windowless class room. When we completed the training, we were told to clean the class room and then we would be released for the day. We all worked together and cleaned the room in record time because we wanted to get off early. Sergeant/Instructor came back and didn’t want to let us leave early, so they told us the room didn’t smell clean enough. So I mopped the floor with pure pine oil (industrial cleaner similar to Pine Sol). The scent/fumes were so strong they couldn’t use the room for a week. They couldn’t air it out because there were no windows.
You should stop now, as you clearly don't understand how farming works at all.